Thinking Sideways: Klerksdorp Spheres

that's called the clerk Store Spears. I'm just gonna say right off the bat for listeners, you don't know this, but Joe and Devon obviously do. Is this is a story that I found a long time ago, one of the initial stories that I wanted to do for this show, but I held off. This is your Tom and Shrewd and to be Tiles. Yes, well, I held off just because all the conjecture. It's so hard to to try

and burrow down to anything that could be factual. You know, actually, if you, if you look hard enough, you can find people that have actually seen these things with their own eyes and examine them. We'll talk about that list, and there is some of that out there. But this story is pretty fantastical, and I'm just gonna go ahead and tell it the way you normally read it on those awesome pages on the web. Oh, are we talking about the black background white scripts. Well, it's it's not even.

There's other sites besides your favorite kind that do this. All right, what the obligatory flying saucer charity to the gods? Yes, yes, of course, So here we go. Over the last few decades, miners in South Africa have been digging up mysterious metal spheres while mining pyro philight pro fhilight. What is that? It's basically chalk for like blackboards or tailors. It's really

soft chalk. The spheres measure approximately an inter or so in diameter and summer etched with three parallel grooves running around the equator, and some only have one. There are two types of some of them any at all? Well, yeah, there is there is that, but this is the this is your fantastic Okay, they all have grooves. Okay. Two types of spheres have been found. One is composed of solid bluish metal with flux of white, and the other is hollowed out and filled with a spongy white substance

like the rock in which they're found is god. The rocket which they are found is Precambrian. So according to that, it's dated to be two point eight million. That's billion years old. If we were just talking about this, do you keep giving me crap all the time about carbon dating and how you can actually carbon date natural materials. With the rocks and stuff like, you can't tell how old they are, so what what do you I'm in the fantastical telling. So it's okay, okay, all right, okay,

I'll give it to you. All right. I just wanted to be able to say, wait, I know, sir, I'm not disagreeing with you. I understand. Okay. Can I continue on? Yes, okay, you may proceed. Thank you. We have a gentleman by the name of Rolf Marks, who is the former curator of the Clerk Store Museum. He is quoted as saying, there is nothing scientific published about the globes, but the facts are they're found in pyro Philight, which is mined near the little town of Auto Stall. Is that how

you said? Okay? In the Western Transvaal. The pyrophilight is a soft secondary mineral and was formed by sediment about two point eight billion years ago. On the other hand, the globes, which have a fibers structure on the inside with a shell around it, are very hard and cannot be scratched even by steel, steel, even by steel. What about diamonds. I don't think anybody's tried that. South Africa's diamonds lying around everywhere, everywhere, everywhere. We got, we got.

We got one more bit of awesomeness that you'll find on these on the web when you find this in its standard awesome telling. It also seems that the spheres are delicately balanced, meaning that even with modern technology g they would have to have been made in zero gravity, a perfectly balanced and according to the story, NASA got a hold of a couple of them, and they were confused when they examined them, and they couldn't explain how

they remained. We're still in fantasyland, right, that's the end of fantasy land, Okay. I just like, oh, there are so many Okay, we're just gonna have to go through this because there are so many things. Oh yeah, no, this this this was why when I first read, I was like, oh, this is really crazy, and then I started going way in a minute, there's some issues here, Yeah, as a lot of a lot of smack, just just

crap has been put out. Yeah, so let's let's just kind of suss this down real fast with just some of the basics that we've got. These are really the things that I've sussed out that are kind of the the easy facts. We've got what people referred to as possibly an out of place artifact. They so there's weird. They're round rocks, they have grooves around their equator, and they're inner material in the earth that doesn't match them, and they don't really seem like they should be there.

They're kind of cool looking based on the images that you see on the internet, and I would say it's about the size of a golf ball, not an inch would they be about? You know? Actually they from whatever. They vary from about half a centimeter to like ten centimeters,

which is about four inches. Those are the largest ones that Okay, I've seen, I've seen the variants, but I can I don't work with centimeters, so I'm always confused when it comes to putting that in relation to something in real world, which is what is that around the golf ball? And I didn't the down and dirty thing, which is a centimeter is pretty close to half an inch, close enough for government work anyway. Centimeters equals five inches.

Knock off a little bit because the centimeter is actually a little shorter than a half an inch. So we're looking at the softball. Yeah, very few, I think, I think, I think I tend to be kind of more towards the small end of the range. Well, the one that they show on the internet all the time is about the size of a golf ball, and it's got this really weird dived in the front of it, which along with the fact that it's got grooves around the outside, everybody goes crazy for um and they all say it

looks like the Death Star. Well, it kind of does that. That's kind of the best facts that we've got about these things. It could have been an alien blueprint for the best star blueprinting technology. They did a three D print of it, and then they dropped it and it fell to Earth. Yeah I got it. Yeah, Okay, so yeah, the Rebel Alliance actually stole the blueprints and then they dropped it on Earth because that nobody would ever find

it on Earth, I guess. I mean, I think it is fair to say it does kind of look that way though. I mean, the one, the one that you see all the time kind of dus kind look up the Death Star actually had one group around the middle. This one has three. Yeah, no, the one that's got the hole in it, it just has the one. Oh, you're right, it does have the single group. Yeah, that's you're right. It is the same grew. Oh my god,

it's so crazy. We're gonna have to I mean, of course, that's probably the one that we put up a website. What they need to do is they need to scientists need to, like, you know, get a basketball and sort of put that thing in orbit on the basketball and see if some rays come out of it and destroy the basketball. And before we forget I know, we left Fantasy Land already, but Joe and I were chatting about this earlier, and I had forgotten about this piece of

the story until he brought it up. Was about the fact that these things rotated. Yeah, that's there, according to supposedly, according to I shouldn't say, according to the Rolf Marks, the former curator at the Clerk Store museum. Yeah, he was. He was quoted as saying that they were they were stored in vibration free cases, and yet they turned around on their axes all on their own. Yeah, And we'll

debunk that in a minute. But one of the interesting things is, like I was just looking at pictures because I'm really good at focusing on what we're doing here, and it's like, there's this outer a cross and then the inner layer. Right, most of them have that in ther layer, and you cut it in half and there's it's distinct, right, And I think that that's a thing that you see a lot in weird things that might I mean, obviously they don't rotate on their own, but

might I would be more prone to rotating. Maybe it was a misinterpretation of like, oh, if you spin it, it rotates really well or something. I'll tell you what, Joe, Yeah, go ahead and spill the beans on what happens and why these things rotated. Yeah. Yeah. So this this, this of course made its way, you know, twenty times around the world before someone to actually contact this guy, and

that's Rolf Marks, former curator at the Clear Store for museum. Somebody, somebody contacted him and asked him about this, and he said that no, what he what he had told people is that they were sitting in cases, and because there's a lot of mining operations nearby, there's explosions going off in the earth, and there's vibrations all the time and tremors in the earth, and these things were not in

vibration free cases. They were in cases that were vibrating because because of all the mining going on around and so naturally they were moving around a little bit on their own. And and that's really that's really really creepy, although maybe not so much, I mean, because you know, and then the story got spun around, so now they're vibration free case. Let's put some more credit where credit is due. This guy he's in charge of or he's

credited with perpetuating a lot of these crazy things. But as soon as somebody contacts him, he's like, that's not what I said at all. You guys are idiot. Well, and here's here's the great thing. That's that's a perfect place to start. So let's go ahead and let's talk about some of this story and where it came from

originally and how it got so fantastical so fast. The for the first time the story came out was Joe apparently uh seven and nine and October two, n nine issue with the National Enquirer, And then so you've got the night National Enquirer. And then the same article or somewhat modified article was published in the Juno eleventh n issue of Scope magazine. Yeah, and and just so, I mean, just so everybody understands, Scope is a tabloid. Scope is

the National Enquirer of South Africa Africa country. Yeah, it was known for inflating its stories just to make giant headlines, just to sell the paper, Comic CBS or the Weekly World which coincidentally, The Weekly World News published this story several years after the fact. You didn't know they recycled

stories endlessly. Didn't really get that. I thought bat Boy was just always up to funny hijinks, which okay, So now we can see really easily how this thing got so crazy so quickly, with so many made up claims, is the best way to say it. The thing that I said earlier about NASA having gotten ahold of some of these and being per perplexed and not knowing how they were made and why they were so perfectly balanced. Yeah, that never happened. There's no record at NASA of anybody

ever giving them one of these and examining it. Yeah, I think that actually I might have an answer to that one. You maybe actually did. So. A guy named Paul Heinrich wrote an article in uh a publication called Reports of the National Center for Science Education. This article is called the Mysterious Spheres of Auto Stall, South Africa. It was published in two thousand and eight UM and he was the one that came up with that thing earlier. He was the one that he actually found the first

publication of this in the National Inquirer. So this guy actually did did all of our homework for us. So thanks, thanks Paul Heinrich. We really, we really really appreciate that. Uh So he said, this is probably where the NASA

thing came from. So for a brief time, the clerk Starff the clerks Dorp Museum web page had the text of a letter from a guy named John Hunt of Pietersburg, South Africa, UM and this letter claimed that the results of the an examination of one of the objects by the California Space Institute, which is research unity of the University of California found all sorts of fantastic things. They said that the its balance is so fine, exceed the limit of their measuring technology, and was with win within

one hundred thousands of an inch from absolute perfection. Uh. And this this letter also said that the California Space Institute, where these scientists supposedly were, is the organization that made gyroscopes for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration or NASA, So that may be where that sort of entered into was that letter was supposedly sent. I'm not sure and it was sent. The date when it was spotted on the museum's website was two thousand two, but it could

have been. I guess it was probably up there for a while. The story so so firmly. Yeah, So that's yeah. So anyway, and and actually it turns out this same guy behind ranked, the guy to whom we owe so much because he did all of our legwork for us, actually contacted a scientist at the California Space Institute who said that he did remember examining one of the objects, and that he had actually gotten HI from this guy

named Hunt. But and he said that nobody there ever told Hunt that these things had the extraordinary properties that he claimed they did in this letter of course. Yeah. He and he suggested that there was quote some error and transmission on quote, which is a plight with saying somebody's full of it. And he also said that the claim that the California Space To makes gyroscopes for NASA is completely untrue. That's true. So that's that's true even. Yes,

so this thing this see is kind of unraveling for us. Yeah, and you know what, there's there's two other things that I'm gonna point out real fast, and then we'll get into some theory stuff as to what are there where they came from. There was at one point in the story there was a comment that said they were so hard they couldn't be scratched by steel. What does that even mean? That's the problem because there's a bazillion grades

of steel. We just talked about this in the Uffbert. Yes, that's just the worst and there's super solid pure steel, so that that just saying it can't be scratched by steel doesn't say anything. That's that's not a measurement that you can put out there and have any credibility. Yeah. No, Um, the guy I'm going to beat this Paul Heinrich thing to death. Here. He actually, as I said, was he's actually given several of these objects, and he actually sought a couple of them and a half. So it's harder

than steel? How do you do that? He said that he examined them and they had there's a thing called the most scales m hardness hardness, and you found out of them to be harder than four to five on the most scale. And he said that a rating of seven to eight is more typical steel of hardened steel. So they're not harder than the steel. Yeah, here's the other thing. They're called spheres, but they're not round. They're not perfectly round. They're actually most of them are. Okay,

they're not like a golf ball perfectly round. They're more like a squished golf ball. They're kind of wide in the middle and then they taper up and down so there they look like something that's been there, more like a disc shape. Yeah, some of them are. Some of them are pretty symmetrical. There are some that are very symmetrical now there, but some of them are not. You know, in a lot of times they're found clumped together. The word the way I saw it explained that made a

lot of sense. Is like soap bubbles. You know, when you're a kid, you blow soap bubbles in the air, and then a bunch of them joined together, and they are they actually clumped together like that. They're stuck together like that, which interesting is a little weird. You don't see any pictures of them like that. You do see some when you start looking around, and here's the here's the one. The one thing I'm going to point out is you know that awesome picture that makes it looks

like the Death Star. Yeah, that photo is stretched to make it round. It's that one's actually evidently a little flat, and that photo has been drug so that a little upward, a little downward so that it looks a little a little more perfect. So there's not I don't I looked at numerous pictures of these things. I haven't seen one that was actually spherical. I haven't seen one that was

perfectly round. I mean, there's something that are pretty close, and some of them are pretty symmetrical like but that's that's about where it ends. So let's get into some theories about these things, because they're still weird. They still don't make any sense. It's very odd. Uh. And we're gonna go ahead and we're just gonna go straight to what standard science says. We're irrationals. We're gonna go rational, irrational, irrational rationals. Yes, we're switching it up today, Haliburton and

Big Tobacco, wat us all the things. Uh. So the first thing is modern science says that their natural formations. That makes sense. It does. And I had to I really had to kind of read through this to to figure out how this would happen and how this works. So I'm gonna I'm gonna walk through this and we'll just we'll do what we can to make this as understandable as possible. According to uh and you were quoting him, Paul Heinrich, this fears are actually what are called concretions.

They're not made out of metal, as Joe was saying, So that's a big issue. They there's spheres made out of hematite, which is an iron ore mineral, and that they're volcanic concretions. So here's how this works. To to just kind of break it down into the simplest way. Because they're in the pirrify light, which is soft, but it's not it's not continuous all the way down. In

other words, there's pockets in there. There's voids in the material, and sentiments come down in water and they percollect down through that material and when they hit that void, evidently, according to how a concretion works, is that the metals that's in the water is separated and then it begins to build up and it fills in that void. So

basically it fills a hole. That makes a lot of sense to me that, like the water would just settle in these pockets, right, and then it would get warmer, so the water, the actual water would evaporate, but the minerals that were in the water would stay, and then it would happen doesn't evaporate, say, but it's for whatever reason, Yeah, So it would keep the mineral deposits would keep happening there.

And the picture that I kind of think is like a water filter right through charcoal, is it's the same kind of variance of material. So the charcoal or the piratefy life, yeah, is filtering out stuff and it's getting stuck in these pockets. And the reason that there are the rings around the spears is because that just happens to be that there was a ring in the pocket where they were formed. That's the only explanation corting science is that it just happens to be at that midway point,

or it's somewhere in there. There was some kind of groove that they grew into, because as they've build up, they're going to fill in that pocket. I guess to play aliens advocate, right, it's advocated right. I mean, but there are a lot of these spheres, right, and a lot of them have these kind of that just seems like a big coincidence to have happened that many times in that kind of perfect way. Just draw that out there, with that many of the spheres to have that many

rings that perfectly. The only thing, the only thing that I could think of that maybe could have explained it is, let's say that there's this void in the concretion is developing in there, and it gets about halfway and then the earth settles a little bit, and so the material around it is going to try and fill in that void, but it can't do it now because it's partially occupied by this mineral deposit. Does that make sense, I guess, But I feel like it would have filled the whole

thing until you'd get these like semicircles. That might be why they're they're flattening thing. But then they but they still have the rings they do. But here's I'm just bring and I appreciate that. But here's the funny thing. These are not the only kind of spears that are found, not like clerk starts the only place that we find these. Now they are fine. Just just just a quick aside

though from my longer article by Paul Heinrich. Apparently the way I understand it from reading his explanation is that they don't they don't fill in hollow spots and the sediments, but instead they just sort of they seep through and they start to build up within the sediment itself. So they're reacting with the material of the sediment. So it's

like gaming together. Yeah, And so the um the rings are because the sediment basically is in layers, and so there's some of the some some fine layers of those are are just some layers are finer and more dense than other layers above and below them, and so the concretion occurs more slowly in that particular little piece of layer, and so that's why it doesn't grow outward as much, and so you get you get a little indentation or a ring in the object, and then it goes up

a little bit and it's back to the less finally grained sentiment and it grows out to the original diameter. And so that's that is how the rings are formed. I guess. Yeah, that's interesting. It's just so interesting that it would be a sphere then, right, or like close to a sphere, you know that it would just be like that little bit in the middle and then oh, it's perfectly compact or whatever. But that doesn't but that does also explain the ones that have multiple grooves around them,

if it's if it's different densities. I guess it's the right word to use of the sediment. But why is it spearce? Right, Yeah, I don't understand it enough, but I do know that concretions happen. Yeah, totally. The geologist this kind of thing is very common. As you were about to say, they have occurred are in many other places around the world. Right, So we've got the Molky marbles,

which you're from southwest Utah and they're about the same size. Uh, there's a couple of places on the East Coast of the US that have very perfectly round is looking sphere rocks that are totally normal. Australia, there's the hammers lea group. That's another one, and I've seen some of these and some of these rocks, I mean they they're rocks and they're perfectly round, and they're like the size of a cannonballer. More well, they're the ones in I guess South Africa,

which or no South America, which I assume will. I mean, I'm sure we'll do a show on at some point that are giant, right, that are like eight or nine ft tall. I'm not familiar with those ones. Well we'll talk about they're giant and they are like spheres as well. I think those I suspect those are from something else, but they also I guess could maybe potentially fall into this category. And well you know what those are from

is do you remember the first Indiana Jones movie. Yeah, Well, those and that giant ball at the beginning that was rolling down trying to attempting to crush him as he invaded that temple to plunder. It's it's right, right, right, Well, those came, it's theorized from a single manufacturers. Yeah. Yeah, and again, I mean I'll probably do a show about this at some point. But the like indigenous theories that it was giants, it was the marbles of giants. Awesome. Yeah,

so all that out there. Yeah. The next theory that we have, which is still within the realm of plausible is meteorites. Okay, I can't Okay, Yeah, yeah, I mean we know meteors hit our planet all the time, and a couple of billion years ago there was probably a bunch more hitting the planet than there are now because things were different back then. I don't think we had

as as strong as an atmosphere. That could be completely a bad scientific statement to make, but no, I think the I think that the Solar system was in more the states of Upheople. Yes, that's a good way to put it. There's also a lot of reports of meteors being discovered in Africa. It's a huge continent, so that doesn't there Uh well, yeah, they find them and they

find them all over Africa all the time. And if you follow the Pangaea, is that the theory that we started out as one continent, and the big chunk of it was we all broke off from Africa, So Africa was kind of the center of it. So also Africa one of the least developed countries right or continents. It's not even one country, right, there's not a lot of industrial not like digging stuff up and paving over stuff like that. It's very true. Last year in North Africa

they found a meteorite that was actually part of Mars. Rightly, according to this report that I came across this, it was a it was a chunk of Mars. They've been scraped off. And yeah, I mean that that kind of thing has been documented. They I mean, you know, at times Mars and the Earth and the Moon have been hit with really gigantic objects, some of those creators on the moon. The moon is a product, right of us

getting hit by something. Really, That's that's one theory, although there's other theories, and I don't know that that one's really prevalent theory anymore. Next week on thinking we'll talk about that, we'll solve that. The moon, well, yeah, he gets smacked with something, something really enormous material fly so but it's completely plausible that it could have been meteorites and and you know they bury themselves in the ground and then sediment continues to build up on top of them.

We could have had, you know, bunches and bunches of meteor storms that we're hitting this one area and dropping these stones, and what we what he hits at the end is what's left of a larger object and it's been eroded in a very very interesting manner usually right, So that would explain the spherical nature that could possibly explain it. Yep, that is very true. So if they are meteorites, then that would also explain why they're not the same as the sediment that they're found in. True,

because they're a little different. And this, uh, this kind of object has been spotted in other places, namely Mars. Yeah, yeah, I knew that would take a second to sink in. Uh. In two thousand and twelve, the Mars are Over Curiosity sent back images of spheres that were embedded in an outcrop of on Mars. Of and they call the place what did they call it Kirkwood? Which is it's in the western rim of the Endeavor Crater. So how do they know that this place is called Kirkwood? Is there

a sign? Anyway? They found Mars and they took images of a bunch of what could be concretions like this set into the surface and it's they're about the same size. So it could be that they are the ones that are on Mars are a product of the natural process according to modern science say, or it could have been other meteors that were buried and then slowly excavated by winds and whatnot. That's crazy. I was just again just looking at pictures and they like that. They do. That's crazy.

That's what the weird thing is. I think they nicknamed him. There's there's more than one kind that they've found, and I remember one of them was called they called the blueberries. They look this is girls, they look like boils, but the ladies and gentlemen. You now have a visual. So yeah, so they were formed on Mars and then Mars gets hit with a really massive rock on their center over to Earth or vice versa. They're formed on Earth and then they get cent over to Mars. Yeah, either way, so,

but it looks like they're happening on another planet. So it's either one of these two theories could apply to both plants. One of these things is not like the other, you know, it's not like the other though. Our next theory. What's that It's Devin's favorite aliens, aliens. Okay, Okay, here we go. Okay, so there's a lot of people who use the clerk Storp spears as proof that there was

a civilization on our planet before us. Okay, wait, I'm going to take offense to the term aliens in this context. I'm going to say this is a prehistoric intelligent race because they are not aliens, because they existed on our planet as predecessors to our race. I just I mean, I feel like aliens implies people from intelligent beings frama different planet coming to Earth and not settling here, not

becoming Earth beings, not becoming Earthlings. Okay, right, people who are not native to Earth, or people who do a prior civilization of beings. You're welcome. Okay, that is much better. Okay. But but but I mean you would like this distinction because you think that they might have been some race that evolved naturally here on the planet or lived here, right. I mean that the implication of this theory that they aided here, saying that they were on this planet for

some duration of time. Yeah, I would say that those are like prior native earthlings Okay, natives that doubt that they originated that far, because when did life actually originate on Earth? Well, that's that's what we've got because according to the according to the established age of these fears, they're Precambrian. At that time, the only record of life that we can determine was on this planet was algae. Yeah, yeah,

that's exactly just microbes and things like that. Right. So, but this theory, if I'm understanding it correctly, is that that there were sentient beings, intelligent beings that we're creating these things that existed on Earth at that time. Right, That's how this theory goes, right, Yes, yeah, which is no, I don't find that credible, are you kidding me? Would be dead body somewhere like we got on a fossil

of some kind. They were like boneless algae creatures, which tb. Yeah, I can just see algae producing one of these things that what's that? What's that one critter that's always on Futurama, the green globe? No, no, no, the green glob that eats you and everybody can see you floating around in his guts because he's a green blob. They were boneless. It was just all it was was like what phytoplasm? Right?

I mean, okay, so like I'm willing to accept maybe if we're saying that beating that we've beaten that to death. Here's Here's where then the spheres come in is then people come up with all kinds of explanations of what that civilization would have used them for. If we just run with the theory that there was some sentient being on this planet, Atlantis could have been Atlantis, but we don't know. But we're just running with there's some kind

of civilization than what were the spheres used for? Oh? Yeah, they were used for a lot of things, according to the theories. They were currency, they were ammunition, maybe they were talisman's, they were a form of art. Maybe they were a form of a record keeping device. Definitely not well listen, listen, Okay, too giant to be currency, right, Like, who wants to carry that around? Really? I mean truly, even if you're a giant, you don't really want to

carry that around. Okay, art? Maybe probably form of ammunition. Maybe that's about the right. Wouldn't we be finding little cannons that would have been shot out of the probably the Alismans who wants to wear something that big? People do it all the time. Listen, I've seen some of the weird jewelry that you've worn before. It's big strand though, right, Like you don't wear one pendant. People do sometimes, but then you would find other things and there would be

holes in it. Throw that out there, and then I just think, well, the thing about it is too, is that again, if they're like say talisman's or some form of currency whatever, then that would apply. That would apply

a fairly primitive culture. And again, it's not possible for there there to have been any sort of primitive culture on this planet at that time, at that point in time, because because the culture that's something only culture that could have been here was a sophisticated alien culture that came and hung out for a while, a little while, a long time. I think that's true. I know, and I'm

with Joe on this one. Is that like, if this is something from a leftover from a culture that is a culture sophisticated enough to have exited the Earth before any of them died right or left any record that we can currently recognize as living beings dying, that's a hugely sophisticated culture. They know how to work metal. They're

not carrying around metal balls. Yeah and yeah, why would they and why would they make these stupid little things when they cool stuff like iPads fossilized remain So it turns out I'm with Joe. Yeah, that's unusual. It's super unusual. Okay, well, I'm I'm glad we've got that one settled. Cool. Now we get to have even more fun because we're going to the outer edge theory. There's more, there is one more, okay, okay,

right off the bat. Uh, this is very far flung and the links of piece A two piece B are kind of tenuous. But we're just going to take these leaps of faith this alright. So to start off with, we need to get off the planet Earth. Oh where are we going? We're going to go to Saturn. Were going to get there? What snap of my fingers were there? Yeah, I'm just that good. Well, there is a moon around Saturn that it's the eighth moon of Saturn called Yapatis.

Saturn is hoarding moons. It got more than their fair shared out there. They have way many more more than they need. Yeah. Yeah, Occupy Saturnpaturn hashtag occupies satura. There we go. The first thing we need to look at when we get to this moon is sorry, I'm sorry, what did you say? It was called again? I wasn't. The first thing that we want to look at when we look at this moon is the equatorial ridge that's

running around the moon. It's it's got a big old ridge going about around its circumference all the way around. That ridge is about twelve and a half miles high at its peak, it's a hundred and twenty four miles across at its whitest dge. It is one heck of a ridge. Uh. And the other thing, so it's weird because it's got this ridge, which is kind of like the spheres. They have a ridge though it's it's not yeah they have they have an any it's got an auty.

But the next thing we want to look at is that. And this is based on photos of the moon, and I don't know how much validity I put in them, but according to the photos of the moon, if you look at it, it's got a rectlinear geometry. What are you talking about right now? Yeah, it's not spheral, but okay, so it's not a sphere. But what does that even shape mean that shape means that it is what they

call in some of these articles and icosahedrad. What an icosahedra, I'm sorry, it's kind of like it's a sided object. So it's got it's got polygons and hexagons making up inside. Yeah. If you've played dungeons, right then you're quite familiar with that. Yes, yeah, we almost succeeded. There we go. White people really do

have more trouble doing the high fi. All right. So the it has, according to these observations, this odd structure to the to it, and that along with the fact that there is a huge depression on the surface of it that's in the shape of a hexagon on plus these this linear geometry along it's outside, so it's not round. It's like it's made by math. It's a mathematical shape. People say it's not really a planet. Well I think okay, and again aliens advocate here, right, But I feel like

that is a good point. Things that are made by nature, by and large are spherical in some way. They may not be a perfect circle, they may be an oval. They're around, they have rounded shapes because that's what nature or the universe or the laws of physics due to things is they make things kind of a sphere because everything gets gloamed together in kind of a sphere, not with these like weird flat planes flat planes on them. And I feel like that's a I mean again, that's

not typical planet moon formation. Yeah, and it's it's okay, So maybe it's pictures. Maybe we're totally in I hear it. Maybe the pictures are like reflecting something weird or whatever. But that's weird. If it's true that that's how that moon is shaped, that's weird. It's a little odd. And I've been looking at these pictures again, like while we're doing this, and there are a lot of pictures of the spheres that have like weird kind of angular side

a little bit to them. They're not actually nice and smooth and round. Yeah, but I've gotta say, I've looked at pictures of the oppotus and it doesn't look to me like a D twenty. It looks like it's pretty

much spherical except for them. Yeah. It's it's in key photographs that people point out that hey, this isn't actually around object, and that's that's you're finding the photo that you're looking for is kind of what everybody else says, Oh, that's what you're looking for, And I wonder you're referencing that one. But I can see how you would say that because most of the things that you see it doesn't actually look like it's got flat edges to us.

It looks kind of spherical to me, but with a weird, funny ridge around it, and I think it's personally. I think it's something to do with the ridge that makes it weird. But I don't know. Okay, well, let's just say that we're just gonna run with this that it's a D twenty is actually what this moon is. Okay, well, then what's that mean. If it's a D twenty and it's not naturally occurring, then that splits the debate in half as to what that means for Yapetus. Actually, it

doesn't split into two, it's splits it into three. I apologize for that. Uh. Some people say that it was a death star type plant for some species that's no longer around. In other words, they were gonna use it to as a weapon of some sort and then either won the war, lost the war, were wiped out by the war. I don't know what but they're they're not around anymore, and so it drifted until it was finally

caught by Saturday and now it's just in Saturday's orbit. Yeah, you know what happened is they we're going to come to Earth and kick our asses, and they came down and we turned them onto things like pot and tobacco. And I don't think this beyond a death star. What else could it have been? Well, we have the theory that it is a world sized arc. I kind of

like the theory, kind of like it too. This is saying that it was used by some other species to carry the seeds of life across the galaxy until it found the inappropriate planet, and then until it found a Goldilocks planet, found a Goldilocks planet, and then it sent down all the biological material that was needed and that was carried in the spheres. So the spheres hit, they release everything and then it's like, well, my job's done and it just hangs out And isn't it worth mentioning that?

Like right like within in that entry of these rocks being dated, this is when we have an explosion of life. I'm sorry, within a reason seventy years within within and two years but within, like on a global timeline, in a very small fragment of time, Suddenly around that that Precambrian area is where things're absolutely correct. I feel like there's something worth it. Yeah. The only problem I have with that there is that these things were containers of life,

then shouldn't they be popped open? No? Because didn't we just talk about this. We talked about this in the Spanish flu episode. Is that true? And that like if it had a frozen shell of seeds around it, right, it was frozen and it entered the atmosphere and everything kind of melted and everything fell to the earth and then everything No, it could be No, I know where you're going here, And I remember part of that where part of it was pulled away and not all of

it was burned up. And I think basically what it means is the sphere is kind of the rubbery, squishy inside part of your golf ball, and the outside of the golf ball is what carried all the seeds of life. I don't know. I don't like the theory kind of a lot. I knew you like this, you did. I knew you would and again and you know to like not to go on a tirade here, But I'm kind

of a little bit. Yeah, I just think that like it's a big mystery of our history of our planet that like there was nothing for a really long time and then suddenly there was kind of everything. Well, yeah, the major theory is that is that most of the water that we have and probably life also is brought by comets. Right, But so, like, what's so different between saying like it was comets and it was these tiny

little spheres A sphere is honest. Yeah. The other thing that probably had with that is that they should be we should be ideum everywhere on the planet, but we are aren't. We We're finding similar rocks, similar rocks in other places, but but they're kind of concentrated places Like that doesn't really kill the theory entirely, but I would think that they would be found pretty much everywhere, and

they're not found. Okay, Well, if I'm if I'm going to stand up and defend this, then you also have to remember that what happens when there's geologic upheaval and let's say they're all over and then volcanoes happen and things, you know, and flood flood so much, but plate tectonic so plates are getting eaten up and that material is getting pulled down and melted down. I mean, there's a lot of geological reasons why we might not find it everywhere.

I don't know, but you know, I'm gonna offend it. I can. I can look at it from that perspective, and then we have just one more theory on Well, this is one more piece of if the Moon is not real or if it's not a natural formation, And this one's pretty awesome. It is a it's a renovated planet, and it was a hotel planet, and the hotel planet was drug to Saturn so that the residents are the people staying at that hotel planet could see the beautiful

rings of Saturn. And then eventually the hotel went out of business and they just left it there there. So now no, But would you say it's a renovated planet, do you mean it's an artificial structure or it's just a planet that somebody drugged there. I'm not saying either, because I've seen both directions where some say they took this planet, they shaved it down, they made it into shape that they needed, and then they drug it there. And then I've seen some that say, oh no, it's

it's completely a construct. My and and my big argument on that, right, even though I am the alien advocate, right, is that if there were that many species that intelligent to create something that came to our solar system, they would have visited us by now. They would have made their presence known to us by now because we have been no, we have been sending please out to the universe for so long in radio waves and other waves, right saying hey, we're intelligent, come pay attention to us.

But if you went out of business before the you know, before we had algae on this planet and we're a backwater, this backwater solar system, and then it fails. There are urban explorers in on our planet. There's like so rampant that like people go to like Chernobyl for instance, just

to like take pictures how awesome it is. I just find I would find it so hard to believe that, Like if there were this alien race and they're like, hey, there's this derelict, you know, hotel that had this awesome view in this backwater place that like nobody really goes to, that nobody would be like, hey, let's go there and then be like, oh, weird, there's this radio they know coming from this that they might have just hung out

there for a while. And then and then they when they detected signs of intelligent life on on on the planet Earth, they decided to vacate. Maybe. I don't know, I mean, I just I just think that, you know, if there were alien species out there that had put a hotel that close to us that recently, I mean, like, how do you know as a hotel and not say like a brothel, big some big leaps of you know. Yeah. That having been said, that is the end of the theories as to why these fears are what they are.

We've got natural formations. We've got that they were the remnants of some form of life on this planet before us. We've got the uh smoon of Saturn theory. There's there's all kinds of stuff going on here. Oh and meteorites. Can't forget about meteoritest not And I mean these are probably the top five. I found a lot of more sidebar threads that go into some theories as to what these are, but again, it just would take so long to just go through all of them. But that's about

like alien pokemon pieces or something like that. I think that would be the remnants of a prior civilization. They were children's toys, they were happy meal toys. They were they were all dumped in one area. That's that's what it was. It was the Earth as the ocean of a different alien race just come here and dump their garbage off. So what do you what do you guys, I mean, what's your what's your preferred theory here on this one? Well, I can't really, I I can't choose

one over the other. I mean, they're all equally believable. Not not really. I'll go with I'll go with the geologists who say that this is natural concretion formations. That seems pretty blatantly obvious. And Christ, you know, it might be that once again that you know, Haliburton, a big tobacco successfully pulled the wool over my eyes. But you but it seems like with the facts that our fingertips so far, and that looks like the most plausible theory

because I feel obligated to provide. Yeah, I feel again, I'm gonna want again once again, aliens advocate. I think it's the arc theory. I like that theory. I mean, I know that you put it in there because you knew that I would like it. It's a fun theory, it's a good I like. I mean, you know, and again I think that like one of the big mysteries that we are always trying to solve as human beings

is where did we come from? Right? Because I think there's this like innate feeling that like, well, we couldn't have been a product of billions of years of evolution and everybody, you know, of course, everybody says like, yeah, no, we were revolution It's fine, but there's always that feeling of like, but there must be something a little bit more right, like there's something like a little extra there about us. And I feel like this is a great kind of a little something extra about us. So we

were so alien? Yeah, they dropped a bunch of microbes on the planet and next thing, you know, here's the thing. Uh, they're kind of like pot growers, you know, illegal pot growers that go to the national forest and drop a bunch of seeds. Maybe that thing, maybe that's why we haven't been visited. Well what I've been harvested yet they're going to come back for the harvest, I would say, everybody,

all of our listeners by guns. What do you think, Steve, I, if I have to choose, I'm gonna go with natural formations, although I do I could also see meteorites being a plausible one, but after that it just it gets too far from me. Well, and again, you know, this is one of those quintessential like out of place artifacts, right, and that I could almost see natural formation, but for a few details. I could all will see this, but for a few details. So I think that's, you know,

again one of the that's what makes it an unsolved mystery. Yeah, yeah, that's that's the difficulty with this. Yeah, well, but we're not about unsolved mysteries. We're about solving ulster wrong and not to anybody. Well, if you want to take a look at the image or two of these fears, or you want to take go ahead and follow some of the links that we've got. We'll also have a picture of a basketball out there. If if you don't know what a spe you can find that all on our website.

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you are more than welcome to do that. You can send us an email. That email address, as always is thinking Sideways podcast at gmail dot com. Okay, well, that, uh, that having been said is all that we've got on this one. So it's it's still rolling around. But I still don't have an answer to it. Now. I think we solved it, but I don't want to say if if you, if you are a clerk store, if you are a clerk storp sphere, please call practice. We want

to hear your story. I guess that's the that's the thing, right is we didn't think about fossils. No, it could have been animal droppings. It was aliens. Okay, it could have been alien droppings. Right, it's time to go, guys. It was aliens. Bye bye, aliens.