Thinking Sideways: Kelly-Hopkinsville Encounter

looked confused. Joe did it like he forgot his cue. I forgot my name. Uh. Well, this week we have another mystery for you as always, but before we get into the mystery, got a little bit of something that I wanted to share with everybody. What I wanted to go talk about was something that we're gonna be doing

for about the next month or so. Anybody who's listening to this podcast knows that we've been doing this for three years straight, and other than a couple of holidays, we really haven't ever taken any time off well, and we re record those episodes. We've put out an episode every week for three years, right, and so we're always doing research. And it's the summer and we're a little tired, so we've decided that we're gonna dial it back a

little bit. Now that that doesn't mean that we're not going to be putting out episodes every week as normal, because we will, but for what we're gonna dub the summer series, we're gonna take on some of the smaller, easier mysteries for a while. There's a ton of those out there, by the way, there are and there's episodes are still gonna be probably pretty close or normal is you know, they're not going to be the two hour epics,

but them as much as we can. But at the same time, what that's gonna allow us to do is we're gonna be able to recoup a little bit end at the same time start working on some of the bigger stories that we've been wanting to do but just haven't had the time because it's yeah, well it's it's like, I know you're working on that one. Yeah, I mean I have been literally since we started, and Joe, you're working on that other one. And I've got that thing

I'm looking into, so yeah, tons of time. Don't worry, we got it. When I'm done sunbathing, I will look into that thing. Yeah, my tan is perfect. Yeah, my other one. I've been working on that for like two years now, off and on, not not constantly. Yeah yeah, well now you get a chance. So we're gonna go ahead and do that. So now you know what's going on Summer series with Summer series. So onto today's mystery,

which was suggested by Kine. Today we're gonna so let's go ahead and get back to the mystery, or get into the mystery, I should say. Today we're gonna be talking about the Kelly Hopskinsville Encounter, which is a purported extraterrestrial encounter or an ET encounter. When did it happened?

It took place in nineteenth five, specifically on August one. Uh. And I haven't done one of these stories for a while, so for anybody who doesn't remember, I always like to give you the fullest version or the most inflated version, because that's what you're gonna find out there on the internet. And then we'll roll back and we'll clear up some details before we get into theories. Our story takes place, as I said, on the twenty one August nine, it was in the evening, and it took place between the

towns of Kelly and Hopkinsville. Hopkinsville, I'm gonna butcher that every time if I'm not careful. Hopkinsville, which are located in the southwestern portion of Kentucky, and really Hopkinsville is the town. Kelly is really just kind of a small residential and unincorporated. Yeah, basically, And our story is going to take place in a rented home. It is the home of Glennie Langford. And I would not want to

rent these people. Why you'll find out. Um. So, Glennie Lankford on the night in question, had her entire family over for dinner. She had her three young children, which were Lonnie, Charlton, and Mary. It's you were expecting the character from the fresh principal belair. Okay, I'm just gonna let it go. You see what happens when we do fun stories, we get weird right away. Anyway. Yeah, okay, So those three were younger children. I think the oldest was if I remember right. She had two older sons

who were from a prior marriage. One of those sons was Elmer Lucky Sutton and his wife Vera, and then the other older son was J. C. Sutton and his wife Aileen Alien's brother was also there. His name is op Baker. And last, but not least, they had a family friend over by the name of Billy Ray Taylor, and Billy Ray's wife, June was also There's a lot of people. I don't know. It does not look to be a small place, so I'm sure that it wasn't as if they were all crammed into one teamy room

to try and eat dinner. But that's where they were. They were over to have dinner that night apparently, so according to the legend or the story, however you want to say it, the tailors, so that's Billy Ray and June, along with Lucky and his wife Vera were all traveling carnival workers. So yes, we have aliens and carnies all in one store, just like American Hall our story all over again. It's perfect. Uh, So they were They were just like carnival workers. They worked the rides and stuff, right.

They weren't like side show or anything like that. No, they were not side show attractions themselves. I believe they were just plane plane workers. And what exactly they did I've never been able to locate. We don't care. Um. So according to this story, seven o'clock at night, Billy Ray went to the well to get some water because the house didn't have indoor plumbing, and he reported that he saw a flashing light in the sky and that it was a flying saucer and it landed ahead of him,

just past the tree line. He immediately booked it back to the house to to tell everybody what he had seen. And this is where the accountings will split depending on the version you have. Either an hour after he saw this he convinced Lucky to go with him to investigate the craft, or some time not too long after he got back to the house the dog started barking and going nuts. Whichever case it is, Lucky and Billy Ray walked out of the house. Of course, being good red

blooded Americans, they they had guns. Of one of them had a shotgun and the other one had a twenty two caliber rifle. It's not nearly adequate enough for dealing with aliens. Well, I don't know that they knew what they were getting into ahead of time, but depending it really doesn't matter whether it was the hour later they went to investigate, or the dog was barking, because in both this is where their story versions merged. Back together.

As as soon as they walked out into the front yard, they saw ahead of them a creature on the ground walking towards them. I'm gonna give this description in plurals just because they're supposed to be multiples of them. But supposedly this creature had its hands raised. It was about three to four feet tall, had clawed hands, was green, had short, thin arms, large yellow eyes, large pointed or bat wing shaped ears, depending on the version that that

you come across, and a long, thin mouth. Being the brave men that they were, they immediately both shot at the creature. If they managed to hit it, they apparently didn't do any damage because it jumped in the air, did a backflip, and then ran into the woods. I suddenly realized that these aliens might have wanted to be in the carnival. Maybe that's all they wanted, and they

just wanted to be the shot. Yeah. So so after after both of them have shot at the creature at its runaway, they of course do the same and they run back backflip. Yeah, that it's backflip and ran in the woods. They of course turned around and run back into the house. Did they blips too or no? No, no, they just ran um. But they of course then shut the door, the screen door. I think that's got to

do a lot of good. It really does, because here's the funny thing is that moments later the creature popped its head up in one of the windows that of the house, and of course it had a scary face. Everybody freaked out, and so again both men began to shoot at it through the screen window. And you know, you ever touched up a gun indoors, Yeah, it's extremely loud.

It is very loud, particularly guns like that. Yeah. Well the shotgun, primarily the twenty two, wouldn't be too bad, but the shotgun would be really loud and do a crapload of damage to the windows. Um, So of course they take their shot at it. They creature disappears from the window. They're pretty sure they got it. They run outside to see the body, at which point they discovered there's nothing there. They apparently must not have hit it

while they're outside. Uh there, I guess they were kind of under the eve of the house, and as one of them stepped out from under the eve, the creature reached its clawed hand down and tried to grab their hair, which of course, scared the crap out of it. I can hear the sound the soundtrack to this where it's just like fever pitch of like yeah yeah. So so now for a third time, they guys open fire and apparently one of them must have hit it this time

because it fell from the roof. Did it actually know? It floated down from the roof and as soon as it touched the ground, it ran away into the woods, again doing backflips the entire time. I'm only only that one time, so you think he's not really welcome these humans. They do the strangest well greetings, I don't understand it. Um. So at this point, of course, Lucky and Billy ray they immediately run back in the house again and shut

the door. And for several hours after the fact, the creatures kept popping their heads up in the windows or the doorway, and the men kept shooting at them, which apparently we continue to have no effect. And apparently I've read somewhere they were like, what fifteen or twenty of these things there. There's reportedly there were up somewhere between fifteen and twenty, yes, all over the house. So basically

this house is surrounded by these things. It really sounds to me like it's extraterrestrial whack a mole at this point, and they're popping up in the windows and every time they see one, right, yes, it's it's a weird version of duck hunt. Yeah, it's kind of like it like get out of the stop it exactly. So eventually everybody, all eleven people in the house, they've had it, they've had enough, they can't take anymore. They all bolt for

the door and they all run to the cars. They pile into two cars and they drive to the police station in Hopkinsville, understandably, and the police are a little tentative and suspicious of their story. There, a little skeptical of what all these people are claiming. Uh. And from the reading I've done, there was a couple of factors that eventually got him to go along or at least possibly believe them. And part of that was the fact that everybody appeared to be sober, wasn't as if anybody

was sauce drunk. There was also the fact that they appeared to be genuinely all very very frightened. And oh there's the other thing, which is the police. We're worried about civilians having a gun battle in the middle of arrest semi residential area, which is fair. So of course they went ahead and they agreed to go investigate. So the police go to the property. Uh, there's actually a lot of people who go to the property that night

to quote unquote investigate this situation. There's four local police officers, five state troopers, three deputy sheriffs, and four military police from Fort Campbell. You got to imagine that there's not a whole lot going on in that area of Kentucky. Kentucky happen and you know, I think if somebody's like, no, but really there's aliens, you'd be like, well, I'm I'm gonna go, jam are you going cool? The thing to remember, though, is that flying saucers had just started to become popular

and most people regarded them as as fake. It's just this this silly thing. So I find it very hard to imagine that that's there. Wud be any other reason that the cops had all these guys would have gone like, we've got nothing else to do. Um. It sounds like the military officers, the military police were called in because of the fact that there was all this gunfighting going on. And they were worried about needing support that's with reading.

So they go there and everybody gets to the property, and evidently in the time between when the family left and got to the sheriff's office and then came back, the et s had beat feet, they had completely disappeared. They looked around, Uh, there were no signs of the aliens or the only thing that there was signs of was bullet holes in the walls and in the screens. By the way, guys, yeah, that's why you used a shotgun because you don't have to aim. Well they didn't.

I mean, they didn't hit any of the eleven people that were in the house, so that's pretty good. It could have been way worse. It basically think of one of those nineteen seventies or eighties comedy sitcom situations where the guy with the gun is pointing it forward and he he shuffles to his left and everybody else's group behind him, so they're just they're moving like a dial so that they're out of his range. That's exactly what

I have to imagine was going on. Probably, I think, yeah, yeah, they had put the three youngest ones underneath the bed for you know, obviously good reason. Well it suppostly to keep them load to the ground. Joe. Yeah, So of course, the like I said, they searched the place. They can't find anything. There is a there is a green glow reported on near a fence, and it's said that that was where one of the creatures was hit by a bullet.

Umod well it was that or some people in some things that will said that might be where the craft was at. I will mention that when shot these creatures, it made a metallic sound, almost like you know, shooting another piece of metal. You know that ping, that iconic bullet ping, That's what it this sounded apparently made. Other than that, they couldn't find anything, so they left at

about two o'clock in the morning. Everybody said, sorry, guys, we don't see anything, and they left, and everybody settled down for the night and tried to try to go to bed until about three thirty in the morning when the et s returned and be can their antics of scratching all the walls and walking on the ceiling and popping their ugly little heads roof, maybe not ceiling on the roof, thank you, um and popping the little heads

up in the windows. And this continued on until dawn the next morning, so the morning of the twenty two, it eventually stopped. The authorities did come back that morning to the property they wanted to investigate, and mostly what they were gonna do is or did, was they interviewed everybody, and as police tend to do, they interview you separately from the bunch. The one thing about this is that

everybody's story was almost consistent. They matched up. It wasn't as if there was any wild, you know, variances between them. I feel like that's almost more suspicious it is. You know, it's more like, all right, what are we going to tell the police than it is. This is my recollection of it, and it's probably slightly different than you know,

all the other people's recollection of it. But I think the cops, uh, you know, they would have they would have smelled b as if everybody's sort of stories that sync up perfectly. Probably didn't. They're similar enough and it's not like they're wildly different, which witness statements can easily be. You know, he was wearing a red shirt. I think he was wearing a blue shirt. I had a white shirt on everybody that happens, but it doesn't appear that

that was the case. Here a couple of the people were asked to draw the creatures, you know, can you can you give me a little rendering of it, and they all were relatively similar. They had differences, but they weren't strikingly huge differences. And uh, that's it. The e t s these little creatures. They never came back, They never came back to bother these people, and they were never heard from again. Where their footprints and stuff around,

No little alien Doc Martin Prince something like that. No burn marks on the ground where their saucer took off. No burn marks on the ground where their saucer took off. So let's do this now, as I'm wanting to do. I just told you the most inflated, fantastic version. Now let's clear a few facts, because if if some people have been able to get ahold of all of the newspapers from the time in the area and other records, and there's a lot of things that aren't quite right

in these inflated versions. So to start with, Uh, some of the stories say that the creatures themselves glowed whitish, and that they glowed a brighter white when they were shot, and that appears to have been something that was inserted to the story after the fact. There's a couple of insertions that happened as the story spreads and people are rewriting the account. Shocking, I know, I know. We also said that the creatures were green. That was actually inserted

after the fact. They actually were described as kind of a silver grayish color, so not little green men as we talked about before. There was there's reportedly between fifteen to twenty the little guys running around according to the statements. Actually only at one point was more than one of them seen, and that was when one was in front of the door and another one was in a tree

farther away. Other than that, they were always seen one at a time with no others around, so the number again seems to be in An addition, the story says that Billy Ray and Lucky we're basically dumping boxes of ammunition into the walls of this house, which actually it turns out that's not the case. There was only a single hole in a single screen aane of a window, and that was consistent with about the size of a

twenty two caliber bullet. But there was one, but that was just the one hole, so it wasn't as if they were just shooting like mad. You'll see it said that the Air Force came out. Well, actually the men that came out were from the Army. The Air Force does mention this event in their their documents on Project Blue Book, but they don't don't say anything about it though every well they say a little bit about it, but everything they say about it is completely untotally dismissive.

The Air Force doesn't take it in any way, shape or form to be uh to be something valid to investigator or to even consider. There's the UFO, the one that Billy Ray said he saw. Turns out there are her There were meteor showers at the time in the area. The Kappa signals is an annual meteor shower that happens around the same time of year every year, and it was at that it was at that time that particular year, so that would explain the light that Billy Ray saw.

And like I said before that, you know, UFOs were kind of the cool craze, so that's you can understand why he decided it had to be a UFO. The only other thing is that weird green glow by the fence. It wasn't there the next day and there was nothing, no sign of anything there. And it's believed that that was fox fire, which is a naturally occurring It's a fungus that's bioluminescent, and so they think that maybe it was just fox fire that somebody saw because fox fire

girls on rotting wood. But why would it not have been there the next night somebod who may not have seen it. You gotta think about it. It's not as if it's a beacon of light. It's kind of dimly glowing, so if you stick your head next to it, you're like, oh, look that's glowing, and then hut away, you don't really notice it anymore. That's a guess on my part, I will completely admit, because there's no description of what was

at the sight of where that fox fire. Supposed a fox fire was the impression it was on as dick or something like that, or a branch. Well, it's on rotting woods, so it happened to be. But from there, I don't know the size or quantity or anything like that. So I guess that means it's time to go to theories. Yeah, yeah, we're going to start with the most popular theory, which is owls. Yeah, it's a good one. I mean, I think it's a good one. Who Okay, sorry, I couldn't

help it. Okay. The theory goes that Billy Ray worked up about reading about the flying saucers. As we were saying, I saw a meteor and convinced himself and then everybody else that it's a ufo. And this is on his trek to get water from the well. On his way there, he encounters the nest of a madd pair of great horned owls. They are either already upset and worked up, or he does something that peeves them off, and their natural reaction is to defend their net nest. So they

do that, just as owls are known to do. They fly in and they try and attack. Because at that time of year, they would have outlets in the nest, so there would have been young. Um, those young would have been about nine ten months old. They're nearly full grown at that point and probably about ready to leave

the nest. But parents can be very defensive. I've I mean, we've also heard about how hard it is to live with teenagers, so you can imagine why these owls were so on edge and just get them out of here. Maybe that's what they're doing. They're coming out, coming out to ask these people to come over and kill. They are young, can't take it. So so these these owls they follow Billy Ray. According to this theory, they followed

Billy Ray back to the house. At one point one of them landed on the ground and began to walk towards the house. And in bad light, I can I can kind of understand this. Have you ever seen a bird that shaped like an owl? You know, with the short legs and the the kind of tall, stocky body walk. They walk weird. It's it's kind of a weird, stilted movement. And they'll they'll hold their wings out a little bit. They're not really built for walking, I know they're they're

actually rather terrible at it. But being owls, they're also exceptionally quiet. When they fly, they make no noise. Did you guys see that that article that was out this was probably about a month ago, about the sound of birds when they fly, and so well, what they did is they had I think it was three or five microphones, and so they would have like a falcon fly by and it would you could hear it beating its wings and it would pick it up, and it would register

these these decimals. And all these birds were making this noise. And then when the they let an owl loose, almost nothing. They're so quiet, they're so streamlined, their feathers are soft. They glide a lot, so they don't make a bunch of noise. So you could see how an owl could glide in and land and nobody would know it. It so that man and so of course at this point the owls are upset, and they come walking up to the door and they're they're sticking their heads in the

windows looking at the people and and great hord owls. Okay, I see the look on Devon's face. She's she's suddenly not so excited by this theory. But great horned owls do kind of match the description. They have little pointy ears that the feathers they have. They're about three foot or so high. Great horn owls most and the largest ones are in like Alaska, and then the further south you go, the smaller they get. Their wingspans are about

three ft. Great hordeles. Yes, I was literally just looking at okay, because I swear I was reading that they were that size, but you know what, it might not have been region specific. That's where I got tripped up. Okay, okay, but you know, I mean, they're they're owls. They're weird looking. Have you ever seen an owl? You know how they turn their head. They basically have no neck, It's just

a giant swivel. And some of them have kind of this whitish line of feathers right there, So that could account for that that thin long mouth that was described. I guess my sorry, I'm gonna let you finish, and then I'll just say my big problem with you, because I'm about to jump into the problems with the whole

owl here. Yeah, I mean, one of my big problems with it is that specifically great horned owls, but like most owls, really most animals in this world, when they are trying to be defensive or scare things away, they make themselves look bigger. And I know you guys have both probably seen these videos of the great horned owls. They're just sitting there, they're cool, They've got their little like ears up there, you know, long, and then as soon as they're threatened, they just like hunched down and

like fan out. They puff to make themselves look larger because they're intimidated and they're trying to be intimidating back. So if they're me too, I just put myself out and I do this with my cheeks. Me too, Yeah, I just want to look as fat as possible. But I mean, if if this theory is that you know, the owls were threatened so they were coming up, they're not going to be this like slim what you would

see in the distance on a bird photography. It's going to be this like huge wings out and if not going to look anything like the description. That's my I mean, that's my big theory with it. Also, the size thing

is a problem. The size is problem. The other thing is if they had young guns that were getting old to nearly leave the nest, and that obviously their nest was nearby for a long time, they were used to it and people were walking back and forth, and that they never had a problem with it before, Why why suddenly that night? Well, and and that's the thing is that I have the same question. I don't know how long Glennie Lankford lived there, but if there was a nest,

they had to be aware of it. It can't be as if the you know, the the owls just showed up because they reused the nest year after year, so everybody should have known that they were there. My other problem with this is is what do most animals do when you fire a gun? They go away. They're not going to keep coming back. They take off. I mean only the most um aggressive. Yeah, most aggressive and motivated because like there's young right there who were in danger.

Kind of animal, you know, an animal will then really stick around regardless of that noise because they're trying to intimidate you back. But you fire a gun, the birds, you're gonna go away, especially something like every I mean, you fire a gun out of bear and you're between you know, a mama and her cubs. She's probably gonna keep coming at you and it's a bird and you're not right, and but you're not in between them anymore. You've retreated to a space. They're probably going to be like,

you know what, never mind, this is dumb. I don't want to do it anymore. Absolutely, all right, Well that's enough about owls. Let's talk about the next theory, which is prankster aliens. Yeah, this an actual theory people have is just your own. This is my own. I'm making this up. I mean, unless these people had some amazing lightning in their barn like this, this whole thing doesn't work for me to be true aliens. Because here's my problem with. Okay, so the aliens are born, they're gonna

have a high old time at these people's expense. But you know what has never happened. The description of these aliens has never been made anywhere else. So you would think that if they had come down and these little three for four ft tall funny your guys had wandered around. I haven't seen a description that matches this well, with the claw hands and the big yellow eyes and the

thin mouth like that description. You know, you you typically hear about the grays and the greens um and then some other weird humanoids, but these guys I don't other than in cartoons. I mean, the aliens in this described really make me think of um, remember that cartoon Lilo and Stitch. The little character Stitch is who they make me think of, you know, like almost as if they

were an inspiration for it. But that kind of alien is I've never really seen that description before, and I haven't seen it since, which you would think that if it was, you know, something that was going to happen, it would happen more often than once. I thought I had seen somewhere a different drawing that was like very similar to this description. I'm just trying to find it. It's not going to happen. No, but I thought there was one. But maybe I'm making it up. I think

I'm really making it up. You might be. I think I am hallucinating. Probably, Yeah, Okay, Well, let's move on to the third theory in the loop, which this one is again, Uh, this is a speculation on my part um. This is that they were all on drugs, because I see that it's they if they're intoxicated in some way to come up with this whole weirdo scenario. It can't be boozed because the police said that they didn't smell.

Nothing indicates that they smelled alcohol, or they seem super dry runk, which to me means that they must have been tripping in some way, shape or form. There there are accounts that say that some beer cans were seen in a trash can, or a empty booze bottle was seen, but a that is not proof that they had been consumed that night. Those things could have been there for a while. I beer cans in my my garbage can for you know, a week at a time. So it's hard.

It's hard to say. And in the fifties, you know, there was marijuana was was popular, emphetta means were getting popular. Um. The other one that would have been getting popular at that time was heroin. But in rural Kentucky, I wouldn't imagine that the last two would have been all that used unless we say, okay, well we've got a couple of folks who were carnival workers, who were traveling carnival workers.

Then they could have gone to bigger metro areas and maybe been exposed and picked it up and then brought it back, and then everybody just had one raging party that somebody had a bad trip and it got out of hand, or they all just kind of as a group went crazy. Well, this could be an m k Ultra experiment about the right time. I mean it is the right the right time. It could be an l A's d trip and gone horribly wrong. I guess it's just it's such a weird place to have done that

why explained isolation These people out in the sticks. True, and there was a military base and the military police came to investigate, and the army came to investigate afterwards. Why would they do that if they were like, well, it's just owls obviously. Yeah. Well maybe the alphory is actually relatively new, but m k Ultra, I think that's

my new theory. Okay, alright, good, good that Well, yeah, there's also a variant and that they were highing drugs, and that is our favorite go to theory, which is air god the bread. Well that's the one thing because I mean, if they're doing some sort of drugs, then assuming it wasn't m it was not em ka Ultra. Yeah, I would doubt that the adults would be giving the drugs to the kids and the kids did the kids actually saw these things too, as well as everybody else, right,

I believe so. But then again, but they were hidden under If they're preteens, then they're very um, very easy to to influence. Yeah, and if they were hidden under a bed the entire time, they probably didn't see them. They just were like, yeah, the adults said this was a thing. So that I'm still lacking the whole red moulitary. They were just on accident. I guess it's possible, you know, somebody used the wrong kind of mushrooms or something. Yeah,

that's a possibility as well. I mean, it's it's anything could be if we If we move from there, we have the theory that a lot of skeptics put out, which is that the whole thing is a freaking hoax. And again, I don't mean to knock on the folks who worked for the carnival, but they're the ones who were pointed out a lot for the theory, because they would be the ones who would will they be used to pull them one over on the on the marks. So they could have just been doing this whole thing

for the laws. Just hey, this is gonna be really funny and let's screw with these people. Please never use that term ever again. Yeah, please don't. But my laws all the time? Oh my god. Yeah right now, that's okay, I'm used to it. So it could be that they were just doing the whole thing as a prank and maybe it got a little lot of hand, a little out of hand, and it it got away from them, or maybe the whole thing was just you know, let's go ahead and screw with the Sheriff's department. Except in

the Sheriff's department really believes it. I mean, I don't know, do you know which one had the which gun? They're actually both of the dudes who had guns. They were both. They were both carnies, right, yes, yes, we both the ones worked that. I was gonna say, maybe it's you know, Billy Ray says, you know, hey, Lucky, come look at this, ha ha, better grab our guns, and then Lucky starts shooting and he goes, oh, no crap. But they were both the I mean, they would have been in on it. Yeah,

I mean. And the thing is, I never understand why people pull hoaxes. If it is indeed a hoax, I don't get it. So I can't really rationalize what would have motivated them to do it. Just to prank brow, just a prank the attention. I guess. Well, they didn't go to the authorities with the tail of a massive gun battle, right correct, Only a few shots were fired. Um, And so maybe what happened is they had a little gun accident. They shot a hole in their in their

landlord's screen, and then they wanted in the rental. In the rental, they wanted to come up with a good excuse. So it's like, you know, we were under attack by aliens, and so I had to shoot through your screen. Please don't make me pay to replace it. Have you ever seen the hole that a toy two caliber bullet makes? I'm sure I don't. I don't think that I would ever say anything to the landlord and hopes that they

would never notice it. Yeah, so it does seem like a lot of trouble to go to just to cover up one little booboo. Well yeah, and that's the only other thing that I could had come up with was as a justification, was you know, maybe they were doing

something elicit that they shouldn't have been doing. Like let's say they were poaching, and they realized that there's a neighbor who's gonna squeal on them, and so they come up with this entire kookie story to explain the gunshots while they were wandering around in the dark poaching deer or something. But like, why would you go poaching in the middle of the night like that though, you're serious, Yeah,

that's that's the time to do it. Yeah, the animals are asleep, you shine a flashlight and you've seen deer in the headlights, you know they freeze. I just don't shine a light and you shoot them. I think that's silly. I think it's silly. It's easy hunting, is why people do it. It's it's that's easy hunting. It's actually easy hunting the other way around too, because have you heard about those places of the game Wards put a fake deer on the side of the road, people jump out

of their car and shoot it. Yep, and get the whole thing recorded on camera. It's quite arrested. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. Um, But I mean that's the end of our theories. I mean, there's not a whole lot here because while the whole group has maintained what they saw, what they say they saw, they've never changed their stories. There has, Like I said, there's been the additions over time, Like there was an addition um that a couple of the people the next morning just up and packed up

and left. They all just left the place. Screwed, We're out of here. There's aliens, which is not actually true because they were around and anyway, Yeah, they got better transportation. But the fact that these people were all at the house and they were getting their photographs taken by the news. I mean obviously they were still there. They hung around,

so nothing I know of. Never mind where you say it was the Ferris Wheel, I was gonna say it was like publish it, oh, for for the carnival they worked for, for the Barker whatever whatever, whatever got it like that? Yeah, you guys got any other I think? Yeah, I'm gonna go with that too, kay, ultra Okay, I think it's all for the laws. Oh my god. All right, Well, if you want to read about this story, we will of course have links to it on our website. The

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