Thinking Sideways: Isdal Woman

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the answer too. Well. Hello there, welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways, the podcast fast distinct from Thinking Thinking Sideways, the movie, Thinking Sideways, the novel. This is the podcast. So I am joined by on my right and on my left, actually straight in front of me, Steve. Yeah, okay, so the gang's all here and we're gonna talk about something very mysterious, unresolved mystery from the nineteen seventies. It is for some of you may have even heard of this,

the case of the woman. The ideal woman was found dead in late November nineteen seventy near a town called Bergen, Norway, in what's called the Idlin Valley. The valley sort of tapers down towards this mount colt in this mountain called Mount Olrican, which is to the northeast of Bergen, and on the on the that side of the mountain, it's called the Valley of Death. Yeah, I was gonna. I was waiting for the connection of how Joe might have found this story. Yeah, it's kind of thing for the

death death. Yeah. I just go and type in value of death, mountain of death, the river of death, Yeah, leg of death, creak of death, total of death, you know, and I always find something. So November twenty nine, on the foothills of Mouth ol Rican, a man who's apparently a professor and his two daughters were hiking and it came across the remains of a naked woman who had been hitting among some rocks. He was partially burned. There were some empty bottles bottles was smelled of gasoline nearby,

also a bottle of sleeping pills. So they I don't know if they finished their hik er not. Presumably they walked back to town and got the police. Yeah, yeah, I would think so. And by the way, this place is called the value of death because there there's a lot of trails there, which some of which apparently according to a website I was reading about that was totally separate from this entire thing. Uh, some of the trails are not very well maintained and it's considered rather treacherous.

So that's why it's called the value of death, not because parposes are cond up there all the time. So anyway, I saw the police show up, and this winds up being the biggest criminal case at the Bergen Police. It's it's not a huge town by any means, and the right and now it's normally yeah, yeah, it's all the same. Ye. So anyway I mentioned they found some plastic bottles wreaking of gasoline, and they also found out partially burned passport

and again the sleeping pills. She also and had turned out that upon upon the autopsy, that she had some of those pills in her so she had taken a couple of pills. She had taken she had taken several of these things. Yes, some more interesting things. I mentioned the passport and the sleeping pills. And this is one of those those deleos where I really really would like to be able to see the actual police reports, because you know that what I've been able to round up

is kind of spotty. For example, the body is was naked, right, so were there any clothes nearby? There's no mention made of that clothes because you said she had been burned? Correct her body? Selene connection is yeah, her body, Yeah, he had been partially burned. That presumably they don't say what parts were burned, but presumably her It must have been her head because they weren't not able to take any photographs of her face to show to people because

there was nothing recognizable. Yeah, apparently they were not able to get a photograph out of the passport that they found because I had probably apparently been burned. Also, it's probably once burned. So anyway, they had a problem with how to identify this person. Her Her fingerprints have been sanded off U And you did you ever find what I was looking through this, I could ever find were they stand it off prior to death or had they

been sanded off, you know, weeks in advance. I could never he was never able to pin down was just like done to her after she was killed? You know, one of the one of the little one of the little fragments of evidence that's in here leads me to believe it happened after she was killed. But you know, there are people who are criminal pipes who don't want to leave fingerprints prints behind, and they do stand off

their fingerprints. It's not it's not totally uncommon. You can either use sandpaper or acid to get rid of those fingerprints. As as far as when they were standing off later on, they found they found some luggage, I'll get to that, but they found some sharts, some pieces of glass in the luggage and had it had partial fingerprints on the glass, and police reportedly believed that those were her fingerprints. So they were never able to use those to identify her.

But if police believe that they were fingerprints, then that that makes me believe that somebody must have standed off her fingers after the murderer. Yeah, yeah, so so, But again I'm not a hundred percent share. Again, you know, like as as with all of these things, you know, a little straight backtoys that aren't really actually true managed to get worked into the story by other people. And so so as far as the pieces of glass with the fingerprints, I don't know if that's true or not.

Who knows if any of this is true, who does it? Norway even exists. It might be a big old house I've never Yeah. Okay, so by way, as I said, she had an they did an autopsy on her. She had suffered blunt force trauma to the neck. And this is this was apparently the cause of death, or if not the cause of death, then certainly a contributed to it. Then again, they discovered several sleeping pills in her inner system. Uh, they looked at her teeth, and they tried to find

her using her dental records, and they that came back. No, they were not able to identify her that way. There was evidence that she had had some dental work done

in Latin America. How you know this is this is against something I know that like certain things like you know, for example, if you get dental work done in Russia, it's kind of obvious apparently because it's kind of crude and it might be you know, And I was not able to find out how they knew there was anything to do with Latin America unless customarily in Latin America perhaps they use different materials for fillings or techniques, different techniques. Yeah,

that's so, I don't know. Yeah, that was again, that was one of those things I questioned, how do you how did you make that connection because it's not stated anywhere. Yeah. Yeah, So anyway, enough of the dental work. They I'm going to skip ahead of the ending. They eventually wind up concluding that she committed suicide. Yeah, now this is this is somewhat controversial, but let me get back to their investigation though. They first of all, they were asking around

all the people she stayed at several hotels. She had actually come and gone to the town of Bergen several times and meanwhile gone off and traveled around Europe a little bit returning, and while she was there, she tended to change hotels often and often sometimes within hotels she would change rooms. So interesting behaviors. Yeah, so they the

police asked around at all the hotels. Um, they got descriptions from people and based on the bone structure they were able to see in her face from the autopsy and everything, and paying that up with with a police sketch, artists and descriptions that hotel employees gave them various other people, they were able to put together a composite sketch of this person and show that around to people. So anyway,

they continue with their investigation. Eventually that eventually it led them to the train station in Bergen, where they found in a locker then two suitcases that belonged to this woman. Yeah, I know it sounds so it's so much like I know, you related, maybe yeah, all right, was this a girlfriend? She was murder Yeah something shrude, But anyway, I haven't checked. Actually, I need to get a globe out and find out if, like if like this town in Norway is exactly exactly

on the opposite side of the earth from Adelaide's. It was Adelaide, Australia where he was found, right, Yeah, So anyway, they go, they find these suitcases. Major fine, but then they find to their sugarun that the labels had all been removed from all the clothing. Yeah, I know, I know,

no labels. They found a bottle of lotion which was apparently prescription only, but the the label had been peeled off, and in the line of one suitcase they discovered five German marks have been sewn in the orange thread of a weird type. Yeah. So they found a few pieces of broken glass. Why you keep broken glass in your suitcase? It is kind of beyond me. But they found these

are the ones I mentioned earlier. And they found partial fingerprints on those pieces of glass which they believed could be hers, and but they were not able to use those to identify her. Again, this this leads me to believe that her fingerprints must have been standing off the scene of the crime. Although you know, maybe they ran out of gasoline. You think they could pour gas on her hands and just light them on fire and be

a lot easier than than standing her hands. Yeah, this is this is obviously a murder and the suicide theory that came up by the police, and I'm going to discount that right away because I don't take sleeping pills and then throw myself onto a rock and bang my head and then let myself while I'm naked. This just doesn't make sense. So I could see if some buddy botched burning the body. Then they would go for Okay,

what else can I do? Saying the fingerprints off seems like a hard way to do it, rather than and I'm sorry, this is gruesome dropping the hands off. Chopping the hands off, Yeah, that's true, that would be easier way to take care of the problem. But then getting you got to get rid of the hand. Yeah. Maybe maybe they forgot to bring their hatchet. Maybe, yeah, but luckily, luckily they thought they thought to bring their sandpaper. Yeah,

it could very well be. And meant, what a lot of people don't realize about about human bodies is that they're almost all water. And then then actually burning a human body, it's a lot harder than than it seems. It's very difficult. Yeah, And so they probably had a couple of bottles of gas. They threw them on there, and then she just didn't, you know, go up in flames like they had hoped, And so they had the Unfortunately they had no gas left over to torture hands with.

One of them had to go back to town to the hardware store a gets the sandpaper. Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, yeah, this is weird. Yeah. Anyway, So, so on the basis of all the various witnesses who had met this woman. They were, like I said, be able

to put together a composite sketch. And they were. They were publishing the local papers and they were also disseminated across Europe via Interpoal and they were able to actually put together quite a quite a bit of her travel itinerary between between the interpoal and between the various inquiries but police made and also they found a diary that had some coded stuff, coded references broke and the broken. Yeah, yeah,

they broke code, not the diary. So they were able to decipher some of some of this and and sort of figure out her travel itinerary. Uh. They found out that she had traveled around Norway and across Europe with with eight or nine different identities, different names, and she gave yeah a lot of names. Yeah, seriously is according to some reports in the lugger they found a bunch of a bunch of different passports from different countries, all

different names. I don't I'm kind of discounting that because if they had kind of passports, they would have had photos, ever, and they wouldn't have needed to put together a composite sketch that's good. I hadn't even made that connection. That's a great point. Yeah, so they have they discovered all these different names that she had signed into hotels using and stuff like that. But he was using again police inquiries in her diary. So she went to let's see

she she was in March nineteen seventies. She was in Norway, stayed in Oslo, went to Bergen's, stayed at the Hotel

Bristol under two different names and Alslo. She used Genevieve Lancier and then she was Claudia Tilt in the Bergen uh and then moves to the hotel Scandia, same name, and then goes and then winds up leaving Bergen and traveling eventually to Germany, stays there for months, and then eventually got back to Oslo in October or October after after staying there for a brief amount of time, she went up going to Paris, stayed a couple of different hotels in Paris, and then eventually made her way back

to Bergen, Norway. Got there at the end of October, where she stayed again another hotel and her get another name, and then left Bergen and then wound up coming back under and staying at a hotel and her get another name. While she was in Oslo, she stayed, she said, an hotel ender a named the name of very Yarrel. She gets the stabbonger. She stays at hotel called Vanilla Lorch. Eventually gets back to Bergen, stays at the hotel Rosenkrantz using the name Elizabeth Lean Howard. She had a lot

of names. She had a lot of names. Uh. So on the on the morning number she left the hotel, she paid, she signed up, paid in cash and asked for a taxi. She apparently went to the railway station, which is where she once she dropped off her two pieces of luggage and she and that was the last day, but he saw her alive. Her body was found six days later. So back to her mini names. She also

used whigs. They found wigs in the luggage and some of the some of the people at the hotel said they had seen her wearing various wigs, according to some accounts. In the luggage they also found eyeglasses non prescription, probably used just for altering her appearances. Yeah uh and again the diary with the cryptic entries. Witnesses said also that she had spoken several languages, French, German, English, and Dutch. She, as I said, stayed in many hotels and many often

changed rooms. She usually in signing it would indicate that she was a traveling saleswoman and an antiquities collector, which is suspicious, not really, but uh yeah. They described her as thirty of those antiquity well, that seems to be the standard cover for spies, and oh yeah, don't you

watch movies. Okay, So anyway, according to the staff at the hotels, she was described as as thirty forty years old, attractive, about five ft four or five ft five, with white hipps, small eyes, and that's about she's They said that she uh see to be kind of on her guard and

stayed in a room a lot. They took the clothing in the suitcases, which of course didn't have any labels in it, but they showed her to some clothing retailers and all they were able to say is that it appeared to be Italian clothing, so apparently she had a taste for Italian clothes. There was a connection. She had been witness witnessed hanging out with apparently an Italian photographer

whose name eludes me at the moment. But anyway, this is this photographer supposedly had given her a lift, according to some accounts, had had dinner with her. One other accounts said she spent the night with him. And so again some of those funny little factoids that worked their way in to the story. So anyway, the police interviewed him. He said that the woman said she came from a small town north of Johanasburg, South Africa, and that's a that's a hard accent to fake. That would be a

South African accent is a hard one to fake. Yeah, But I swear when I was reading on this that people said she had a quote unquote unplaceable accent if she was flu what was it three four fe German, French,

Flemish and Dutch. I think yeah, so she had she had a lot of languages under her belt, which will mute out an accent on its own, And so it might that might be why they said I can't place this accent, because if that's where we're presuming that she was telling the truth, or this guy is telling the truth, If that's where she came from, then she learns all these other languages, she's gonna water down that accent just

unintentionally or intentionally, nobody's gonna know what she sounds like. Yeah, well, it's also quite possible this is northern Europe too, and and Afrikaans accents is probably an unusual one that most people wouldn't recognize as opposed to you know, say, German French accent, that kind of thing. That could be another another possibility anyway, besides the Italians saying that she had been was from near Johannesburg. She told him that she had six months to hang out in Norway and didn't

didn't be lie right on that anymore. Um, and so that's about all he knew. So that was kind of a dead end. So on she checked out of her room, she paid in cash, as I said, and was never seen again alive. And the the only other part of the story, well as a couple of other parts, supposedly thirty two years after the fact, local twenty six year old man twenty six years old at the time, I was hiking around the same area with some friends, and I'm kind of discounting this because I mean, the guy

waits thirty two years to come forward. It's like, you know, yeah, but I'm gonna go ahead and tell his story. Anyway. So on two November that was that would be at the day after she checked out of the hotel. This guy was hiking with friends in this in that area and supposedly came across a woman of foreign appearance who was her face was distorted by fear. He said. Um. He said he was that she was dressed elegantly and very inappropriately for hiking, so and and that seemed a

little bit mysterious to him. And what does elegantly mean, like a horrible gown or something like, Yeah, I'm thinking at least address if nothing, if nothing else, maybe not a you know, big poopy prom dress, but just address in general. Yeah. Yeah, So anyway, so he sees her, she looks, she looks very scared, and it's dressed in formal wear. And they passed each other, and she said she she moved her mouth as if she was going to say something, but then I decided apparently not to um.

And also she was being followed by two black coated men who also looked for and yeah, I know, I know. Did he did he report that to the police, not until after the body was discovered. And this is the thing that I find kind of incredible about it, and said, so, this is guys, this is a young guy twenty six years old with friends. She's all by herself being followed by some guys that are going to murder her. Why doesn't she just like say, hey, guys, I'm gonnah with you?

Is that okay? Seriously? And wouldn't you do that? Sure as hell would That's another reason I don't really buy this story. But apparently after you heard about the murder, you contacted the police and he recognized her from the composite drawings they saw in the newspaper. But he said that the policeman that he spoke to basically said, quote,

forget her. She was dispatched the case, the case will never be solved, and so he basically took that advice and forgot about it, and then thirty two years later apparently decided to come forward about it. Yeah. I know it's a little fishy, so I'm not I'm not really buying this. Yeah. I thought i'd showed in there because it's just part of the legend. Yeah, Yeah, that sounds thanky to me. Yeah. There was a Norwegian television network did a little story on it in two thousand two.

According to them, um Special Branch, which is apparently Norwegian intelligence was was involved in this case, they claim, and that might be when this this this guy came forward, because two thousand two, that's about thirty two years after the case. He might have been part of it. The story. I didn't see the obviously, the television story about it. I just heard about it the papers and I didn't see and he mentioned that this guy in the newspaper articles.

But according to this special Branch was involved. And even though apparently the police were followed following some promising leads, Special Branch basically told them to cut off the investigation and just label its suicide. So this is this is what they said. Oh so, so what they're saying is basically they were they were told what the answer was and just to let it be. Yeah, basically not to

follow it any further. Although I guess that, you know, goes along with that young man's story, right, I mean, I guess there are some circumstances in which you don't speak up, like, you know, maybe those guys behind her had guns and she knew it and she didn't want to you know. Yeah, I mean not just that, but you know, involve a lot of innocence, right, Like it's not going to save her life, it's just going to get other people killed. Yeah, that's that's true. That's very noble. Ever.

But but another thing I find incredible about us story is that the cop would say something like you forget her the case was ever be solved, you know, the cop. If the cop was truly being warned off by Special Branch, wouldn't he say something like, well, thanks for the info,

ser on put in the file, not say something. But if the guy, if the guy comes forward and he he tells somebody and then they keep acting as if they've got no other information, and he pipes up again and he says, well, I talked to you know, Officer Qualsky over there, and he, you know, he took my statement, and then quality, uh, you know, it makes this it

just snowballs on itself. Yeah. Possibly, you know, Qualsi could just say look and the guy said she was being followed by two two, four unlooking men in black coats. So what was I supposed to do? Put it on an a P B on form looking guys in black coats? You know, story when logic yeah. So anyway, Yeah, so anyway,

it is a big imponderable mystery. And I decided that what we need to do is one of us needs to learn Norwegian, uh, and the other one another one of us needs to get us like a second job to stay with the money so we can fly to Norway and then read the police files. Why don't we just make a time machine that would be easier. So okay, Joe. So we've got this account of what happened to this woman, and this is one of those stories, as you mentioned,

where things work their way into the story and it changes. Yeah. I came across completely different accounts of this story. I didn't do well. Yeah, I forgot to mention that there was another account where she wasn't found on the mountain

at all. She was found in a hotel room where the body stuffed in a fireplace partially burned, right, And they found and in that version they say they found not the nine pastor Yeah, and it was not only the the five hundred German franks is that correct mark marks?

But they also found local currency. I think it was so it was, I mean the details were the same, but then there was odd things injected into it there was a monogram silver spoon, but the monogram had been carved off, and then spoons in herb Yeah when they found yeah, exactly, and at that one. I okay, I admit right now, this version that I'm talking about sounds like the fanciful version they got spun off. But it still makes me question the original version that we're talking

about and the details that we're finding it. I gotta yes, the spoons thing I not especially kind of laughable because you know, so you buy a spoon, You've already cut the labels out of your luggage, so you buy a spoon with a monogram on and then you file it off. Why don't you just buy a spoon that doesn't have a monogram, plain spoon. Yeah. I know how ignorant that makes me sound, but it's just it didn't make sense. I know they don't have Ikea, but but it's just

it's it's really weird. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, And you know, all the spoon thing. You know, the only explanation I can think of for that is that she was a bit of a klepto and maybe she had a policy of nabbing a spoon from every hotel she stayed at. You know, there's people that do have that do that kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, but I found Uh, I didn't run across that, and I was going to mention that, so I thank you for bringing

it up, because I'd spaced it off. But yeah, as far as you know, being found stuffed in a fireplace in a hotel room, I don't know. Most hotel rooms number one don't have fireplaces. Actually, I mean, this is what seventy is when this happened, and we're Norway, which is kind of cold. I wouldn't be surprised if hotel rooms had fireplaces. I mean, I've staying hotels in the States that have fireplaces. I'm not gonna say that it

doesn't happen. Yeah, it's it's entirely possible. But but yeah, so were there accounts of her every time she checked into a hotel asking for a room with a balcony. Uh yeah, well there was at one point. She didn't always do that, but at one point apparently when she was staying at and I don't remember which hotel it was, she asked to change rooms because she wanted to room with the balcony. That that just might have been a way to change, to get to get to get a

room change without arousing suspicions. Fair, you know, So that's that's probably what that was about. And then somebody said they heard her talking to a man in her room, a man across the hallway, and she said something to him in Germany, I'm coming or something like that. Yeah. Again, that doesn't and I was so many like took me a little weird detail, little things that don't really don't really shed any light on anything. Why I didn't mention

they were talking to the guy. Yeah, I just think they're you know, they're interesting because you know, we're just talking about how it's it's hard to tell what's true and what's not true in this story. So you know, I think adding like any little detail we can, you know, who knows what's the real one and what's not the real one. Yeah, I know, that's you know, that's the

beauty of this kind of stuff. You know, guess people all fired up and people start actionalizing it and next thing you know, it's all polluted and h it's hard to say what's really on. But it's interesting though that the Norwegian media has gotten sort of involved with it. And actually in one of the articles that I read, they actually questioned somebody from Special Branch and you basically said they wouldn't comment on So that was about it,

or just maybe they didn't know anything. It's entirely possible that they just, you know, weren't involved and knew nothing about it. I don't know. I feel like just it's so much easier in cases like that if they don't have anything to hide, then just don't have anything to hide it three years later and say no, no, we weren't involved, Sorry, we know nothing about it. Yeah not. Oh, I can't comment on that. So what does Joe do you have on this? What? What the heck is going

on here? You know, I'm at a little bit of a loss. I know that there's there's some talk about here possibly being a spy, but I'm not talking. Yeah, I know, But the thing about it is, uh, it's entirely possible she was a spy. But spies don't do suspicious things like things like standing off their fingers, their fingerprints. Although again, if they were filed off standing off after her death, and that might explain that they don't like

the sort of thing that spy would do. No that would have that would attract attention at borders and stuff like that. Yeah, that would that would look suspicious. Yeah, yeah, you're supposed to do that when you're a spy. You're supposed to just never attract attention to begin with. Well, in the spy theory, what is what you and I had talked about this before? What is There's a book that's in Norwegian about this, and it's what the heck

is the name of it. It's Operation Isotope. Unfortunately it's in Norwegian and it's never been translated to English as far as I know anyway. And so yeah, there was talking about her like, you know, like attempting to buy radioactive materials, and that sounds familiar to ya. Where the evidence for this, you know, came from? I don't know, Oh my, go read the book. I don't know where I have a new theory. Yeah, I remember a Rio

de Janeiro lead masks. They were the foreign looking men in black boats that could have been I think the time travel travel over there. That's why she looks so freaked out right, because they just did hear it out of nowhere. It started following her and they said, we need the radioactive material, and he she said, we don't. I don't have radioactive material. What are you talking about.

I'm not the radioactive material you're looking for. Yeah, okay, so we got mad and killed her and then killed themselves. What what other theories have we got on this? You know? I mean she could have been I could I could see where possibly she could have been, maybe a carrier for say a crime network, um so, a drug carteller

or something funny like that. Yeah, it's entirely possible. That would be an easy way to to transport drugs across borders, if it's your quote unquote these are antiquities and look at these old vases that I have and then they're just cram full of whatever drug it may be. Yeah, that would make total sense. Yeah, because the procedures for

checking stuff we're obviously not as stringent as they are now. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so they probably would have been would have been fairly easy to do that kind of thing, if it could have been smuggling secrets, radioactive materials, who knows what. But although spuggling radioactive materials, it just sounds like kind of an unhealthy thing to do. Yeah, that's long term solution. Yeah, not a good career choice. Yeah, there's also there's other possibilities.

Another one is that she was just kind of an itinerant, you know, eras type of person and enough spare cash Ley and around to travel around into Europe and she just ran across the wrong person. It was murdered for some entirely random reason, that that kind of stuff happens to so stepped on somebody's toes basically, or yeah, made the wrong person mad, made the wrong person mad, or just happen to like make friends with the guy who turned out to be a serial killer, you know that

kind of thing. Okay, Yeah, that I hadn't thought about that. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, there's not a lot of not a lot of like hants or clues they really point us anywhere. That's why again, one of us needs to learn Norwegian so they can read that book, and the other one not, and the other one of you needs to learn Norwegian so you can read the police files. And then we'll like, you know,

shed a little light on this whole. There we go. Yeah, a perfect This this case actually did attract the attention of no less august An organization than Cracked, and they actually actually wrote a little thing on it. Uh, they were mainly focusing on the bungling of the investigation by the police especially they were a little credulous about the

whole the whole finding of suicide. Although you know, if you if you believe these reports that came out in that two thousand to report and Special Branch actually digging involved and basically told them to back away and declare suicide, well maybe they're not bunglers. They were just told they

declared suicide. I believe it that that that doesn't make any sense because when you think about it, it would have made a lot more sense to tell them to declare it to be a murder and unsolved murder because those things do happen fairly frequently. Unsolved murders would have a higher probability of being reopened in the future, whereas in a suicide, well what's a suicide. We don't we don't go back and look at cold suicide because we don't happen. Yeah, that's that's true. But at the same

time they've given the facts of the case. You know, it's gonna arouse a little bit suspicion if somebody, if somebody stripped naked and file series and files our fingertips off, dousing themself with gas gasoline and then and then bashes themselves in the back of the neck while lighting themselves on fire and eating sleeping pills. I hadn't forgot about that. That looks like a kind of a clumsy way to

commit suicide, the heck of a jungling act. Yeah. Additionally, like her clothes would be there that we actually I might have stripped him off and just run naked around for a while, and it's like I'm gonna die, might as well run naked. And yeah, that's true. Yeah, I think the way it was February, it was yet, Yeah, it could have been that she was she was running around naked and she started started freezing to death and

what was that? Remember the case? So I forget what that condition is called now hypothermia hypothermy about the actual mental condition that develops from hypothermia. You think you're warm, Think you're warm? Yeah, exactly. So maybe she was running around naked and started thinking that she was really cold and then decided, hey, I've got some gasoline here, I'll

warm myself up with a little gap. Yeah I was, you know, I was willing to say it was like an accidental suicide before I read about the burning situation, right, because like somebody takes like a bunch of sleeping pills and like goes a little crazy, takes all our clothes off and slips and falls. Sure, yeah, and then gals

is themselves in gasoline. And although I guess only pausible scenario I have here is somebody takes lee pink tolls, so that and they're going to commit suicide by dozing themselves in fire for whatever reason, that's the method they've chosen. All right, Fine, so they take sleeping pills so be

because they think it all hurt less. Or they'll just like fall asleep and then burn to death, or you know whatever, set themselves on fire, slip fall, kill themselves on accident, but it seems like there would be more burning. Maybe I don't know it. Yeah, still working. That's those are the two places I can get. Yeah, it's puzzling. Well. Another theory is that no, that I made up just now.

She decided to take the sleeping pills and also drink some gasoline and then and then just because of gasoline would kill her on top of the sleeping pills. And then she decided to smoke one last cigarette, let herself on fire, and yeah it doesn't make any sense. Yeah, okay, well this is the first I'm not i'm mystery that we have not actually solved. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of a disappointment. It's the first. In Joe is Mine, he

always solves. We just are never on board. Yeah what about the Yeah okay, so yeah, she was being followed by two foreign looking guard clothes chuper cora anyway, Yeah, okay, well anyway, so there we go. Mry solved the troop of Cobra once again. That's the end of our episode. I know it makes you sad, it makes me sad too. If you want to contact us, if you have any information about this case, and I'm sure one of you does, there's somebody out there, probably with special brand, who participated

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