Thinking Sideways: Is spontaneous human combustion real?

They need you. Click barger. Hey there, and welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I am Steve, as always, joined by Devin and Joe, who wants to sing, but we're holding you back. I just want yes, and we've got the shot collar on you so you cannot sit all right. So we, of course, as always have a mystery, and this week the mystery is is spontaneous human combustion actually a real thing done? So? It's a hot case of hot lead, do you yes? Yes, it's burned it up.

So for those of you who don't know, spontaneous human combustion is described as the rare event when a human body is found partially or sometimes fully burned to basically ashes while the things around the body have suffered very little if no damage from the fire that seems to have consumed it, which is, what do you think about it? Kind of weird. It's usually what you find burned up bodies there in the middle of a big fire themselves. Yeah, the whole place has gone up, So it's a little

strange when you think about it. Yeah, it's also strange that you know, the combustion, even if it is coming from a human, isn't catching all this stuff around said human on fire exactly? And how it just it's just contained to the body. Yeah, And that's gonna be a recurring theme as we go through it. We're gonna we're gonna keep it wait like it's gonna come up. So I'm just warning you now. I'm gonna we're gonna talk about how spontaneous human combustion could happen, but that's mostly

gonna be in the theory section. But what I'm gonna start out with is a couple of stories of spontaneous human combustion because they kind of illustrated a little better than than just the basic facts. Before we do those stories, though, I will say thank you to the listeners who have suggested this. This was suggested by Stewart and Sarah and possibly other people, a suggested to us by the guys over at BuzzFeed unsolved. Oh yeah, I forgot about those.

Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, we should talk to them one of these days. But but okay, So, spontaneous human combustion, there have been reports of it's a lot of about two D parts of it in the last three to five hundred years. So I'm gonna tell a couple of those. Uh And before I get into it, I'm gonna issue a word of warning to everybody that you may, as we're talking to this, if you're sitting in front of the computer, be tempted to start Google image searching spontaneous

human combustion. And I will tell you that if you have a week's stomach, or you are too young to oh I don't know see that kind of stuff, just don't do it. Or it can be yeah, yeah, you might know what to do that a lot of work listeners. Yeah don't that would be great. You know, you're sitting in your cubicle and the guy in the cubic going next you, suddenly it throws up, you know, jeezy, Just don't yet. Yeah, just be safe, don't do it. Okay. So we're gonna go through four cases I've I've picked

out here. We're gonna start with case number one, which is the case of Mary Reeserchu. Mary Reeser lived in St. Petersburg, Florida. I don't know why this seems to be one of the most famous ones. I think it's because it's got the most photos taken of it. There's a bunch of photos of her scene. But Mary was found dead in

her home on July two. What happened is that her landlady came by her door at about eight o'clock in the morning that day, and for reasons that I don't know, um became alarmed that Mary wasn't answering the door, and then she grabbed the door handle and found that the door handle was hot. Because eight am is too early for a hot door knob, even in the state of Florida, where it's a million degrees in July sunlight to have fall on it yet and warm it up. So why

the hell isn't hot? Exactly? So, the landlady, whose name I can't find, it's always omitted. She gets upset. She starts knocking on the door. She can't get married to respond. She goes and calls the police. You know, you're touching how hot door knob? You should actually call the fire department. True, you should just call Mine one one and say but one was not a thing. They did not have that. Yeah,

I don't know when that started. Well, now just dial Mine one one or whatever your emergency things and say somebody's not responding, and what is it from the I T crowd? Oh god, yeah, yeah, okay, So any who. She touches the door handle, realizes that it's warmer than it should be, and calls the police, who then come and get into the apartment. They break down the door and they find Mary's remains in a chair, and by

remains on me, Yeah, what's left of her? Because she had essentially her and the chair had essentially been reduced to ashes. What was left was her part of her left foot, and it had she was wearing slippers, so they were still slipper on that foot, fully intact, and

her skull was still there. But the accounting is always say that it was shrunk down to the size of a teacup, which I mean I take to mean that all of the skin was burned off, and the skull must have fallen apart, because you know, your skull is not one solid bone, it's multiples. And that's the only way that I can figure out that bone would be reduced to the size of a teacup. Yeah. No, it's not gonna shrink because of fire, right, Yeah, so I'm

thinking crumbling falling apire might make it brittle. And maybe maybe when they fire the fire and picked it up, they're sort of like, oh, look at that groove. Yeah no, I don't know, to be quite honest, that the teacup thing is one of those very sensationalized statements, but that is Mary's story. Will move from Mary. So. Case number

two is the case of John Irving Bentley. Mr. Bentley had had friends over visiting at at his home on December four, six, and after his friends all left, he apparently burst into flames sometime between the hours of nine o'clock at night because his visitors all left at nine o'clock and the next morning, which would be December five, he would be burned to a pile of ashes except for his right leg. He was found by the meter reader who showed up to read his meter. By the way,

does everybody know what a meter reader is? Well, I do, but probably not everybody. Okay, here's the thing, is that for folks who may not know, you've got like a gas meter or an electric meter outside your house. Yes, and so somebody has to come by and read the meter on a certain day. I don't know how much you've used used to have to. I don't think they do. Not all of it is automated, but a lot of

it is these days. But but that's what a meter reader is, and they're fairly common, you know, they come by all the time. So he used to your meter reader reader was like, you know, poke around. Its stupid and stuff. That really was this business? I don't quite get. I think that that Well, according to what I've read, the meter reader said, when he got there, he noticed a weird smell, and then he said he saw a blue smoke, which I'm guessing he must have seen that

through the window of the house. He wasn't in it, and at that point, and apparently the house must have been unlocked, because he decided to investigate. And when he got to the bathroom of the house, he would find John Bentley or John Irving Bentley's body and he would run for help screaming something to the effect of Dr Bentley has burned up. Oh my god, No, it's a little weird. And the investigators when they first checked him out, they said, oh, well, it's probably pretty obvious here. He

probably was known to smoke pipe. They said, he probably caught himself on fire while smoking in the bathroom, except that they would find his pipe completely intact in his bedroom, unmarred by flames, so he's in bathroom, So that doesn't line up with their initial theory. Though a lot of pipe smokers have more than one pipe. That is true. And we're going to get more into all of these cases in a little bit, but we'll just keep moving through to case number three, which is the case of

Robert Francis Bailey. He was a homeless man and he apparently burned to death in nineteen sixty seven at five am. A group of people were waiting at the bus stop. This is in September. What was this? What was this? At some reason, I'm thinking San Francisco. What I can't Oh my gosh, you know, I had it in my notes and somehow it's not here, and I can't answer that question. Off the top light. I don't remember, doesn't

really matter, I guess. Yeah, but these people are waiting outside for the bus and they look up into the window of a nearby building and they said that they saw flames, and so they called the police. So it was like an abandoned house though, right, Yeah, it's always listed as a derelict building. So it gives me the impression that it must have been an abandoned or almost maybe a foreclosed kind of situation, completely empty building that

you know, somebody experiencing homelessness might squat in correct. Absolutely, So the police get there and they get into the building and they they find Robert Francis Bailey's body, which is at that point still on fire. The arriving officers would report that they saw a blue flame that was coming out of a approximately four inch slit in his abdomen. Yeah, they said it almost looked like it was like a jet of blue ling like a torch if you've used

like a camping torch kind of thing. That's the way that that that's what that brings to mind to me when they call it a blue flame, a torch like flame. Is this kind of fire spewing out of his belly. Yeah, I don't know exactly how would go about processing. That's not probably something you were expecting to see when you left the house that day. No, no, no, no no, I would. I would have to say you're correct. I will say that the reporting always says that his teeth were clamped

down on the newle post of the staircase. And if you don't know what that is, that's the last upright on the handrail, so theah on the ends, the top and the bottom, it's the big post. Now. I looked at the pictures and they say that they they say that it looks like he was biting down on it.

To me, it looks like he fell down and as uh desiccated as his body is, I almost feel like maybe his head just kind of fell into it, and that's why it looks like it was biting it, because it looks more like it's resting against it then Actually to me, biting it means, you know, clamped down into the wood, almost in pain kind of, And it would not me at all correct and post burned by the way, No, no, not in the picture that I saw, and teeth marks in it. Well, like I said, it just looked like

his head was resting next to it. He was not completely burned up, though, because they found him there and his belly was, you know, shooting out this blue flame. And they put him out by shoving a rubber hose in his you know, in that slit and spraying it full of water, which you know, that's like if twelve year old me wants to make the up your nose with a rubber hose joke here. But the point is they had to stead to fill his insides with water

to put it out. Yeah. I don't know. I would have been tempted to just let him burn out myself. I think that might have been a bit of a safety hazard. Their call of duty. Yeah, I guess where did they get the hose from. I don't know where they get the water from. I don't know. I assume they called the fire department maybe, you know. It's my assumption that the reason people called the police for all these things is the police would then the dispatcher would

then also call the fire department. If somebody called and said, smoke is coming out of this building, we need the police, they would say, all right, police are on their way. Oh and also let's just bring the fire department. So cops are kind of crowd control the firefighters there to fight the fire, and they work in tandem. I don't that's just my assumption on the cops should show there might be arsonists who are fleeing as the scene of

the crime. I mean pictures of the crowds, firebugs are around, and it may be that the police officer number is way easier to memorize than you know, I don't know. We have one final case that we're going to talk about, which is number four, Henry Thomas. Henry Thomas was a seventy three year old man. He lived in South Wales and he died in night. Henry Thomas's remains were found showing Okay, so he apparently been sitting in like an easy chair sort of like Mary Reese. Uh, and he

was burned from the top down. So he's in a chair. So this sounds nice and peaceful, except that it appears that he was one of the weird ones that he burned from like the neck or head down instead of sort of starting more in the abdominal area. That a lot of stuff talks spontaneous hum combustion. Yeah, it really is so like Mary. He like I said, he didn't

completely burn up. His legs were there. As we just said, what's unusual, and you see this a lot of times in spontaneous human combustion cases, is that his legs were still clothed in socks and pants. So he had a pair of pants on and socks, and apparently the pants had burned away from you know, the upper portion above the knee, and they were still there. So it's almost, if you know how, you'll you'll take pants and you'll

make cut off shorts off of him. But now just leave that cut off portion that's below the knee hanging there and nothing else. It's all sitting there. Yeah. Man, maybe kind of flame retard material or something like that. Well, it's weird that it would burn part but not all. Yeah, because because materials started coming on the steam late seventies, more in the eighties, and a lot more in the nineties.

I mean, they got really good. They said they were flame retarded when they were still just cotton, not coated in gasoline. So but I don't know. But but what happens is they find his body. He's been burned, his knees and legs are still there. They rule him death by burning. So they say he is not a case of spontaneous human combustion. Though, as I'm going to repeat a lot of times today, the internet disagrees, calls this

spontaneous human combustion. Sure, okay, I agree, why not? Yeah, So there you have it, four stories of people who simularly have burned up where they sat, literally where they sat or laid. Consistencies between these cases is that, as we just talked about with Mary and Henry, their legs seemed to escape the flames, and the other one had one leg the right. The second one we talked about, what's his name, Oh, Mr Bentley, Yeah, he was in the bathroom. Yeah, and so one of his legs was still.

Mary had a leg, laugh, Mary had a little leg. Sometimes you'll see that forearms and hands, it seemed to be left behind. They're not burned up, but the furthest extremities, Yes, exactly, the furthest extremities are left behind. Another consistent thing is that there's usually a bad smell in the room where the body is found. And I don't mean that that you know, that dirty smoky smell, but more of a greasy, fatty bernie smell of barbecue, not in the nice way,

not in the nice way at all. Uh. And and the things that are around the body. We've talked about this in the very be any things around the body, like furnishings or carpets or flooring don't appear to have burned there. They may be covered in soot and gross stuff, but they are not actually burned up. So it's weird because you would think that if, like we said before, if somebody's gonna burn, everything else around them should go

up as well. We would think they would catch fire. Yeah, it is a known fact, and we have to say this here that spontaneous combustion, just the active things spontaneously combust is a verified fact. We know that happen. So things like coal dust or greasy rags or compost pile, things that are particularly combustible. Anyway, it is really weird tho when you stuff your hand and into like the middle of a pile of like bart dust and it's warm,

a bit warm, you know, and that's really weird. Oh yeah, no, there's nothing creeper. And we have a compost. We have extra outdoor compost bins. We used to make top soil for planting beds, and I'll go out there in the middle of winter and I turned these things about once every week or two, and I will turn it and it is steaming hot in the middle. And then you put that in a hot day, hot environment, that stuff can catch fires spontaneously combust It's crazy, but it happens.

But the crazy thing is that nothing about the human body seems to lend itself to be inherently flammable. Yes, that's exactly right. They usually like, like you know, when you go to the crematorium, they don't just like, you know, so a match on you. Let nature take care of itself. You know, they got to put you in a They gotta stuff stuff you in an oven and apply like what four hundred degrees hundred degrees fahrenheit, which is seven

sixty to n eighty degrees celsius. That's what it takes to cremate someone when they put you in the big oven. Because it turns out we're mostly water. We are, and water doesn't burn, no, no, And the human body is somewhere I've always see it disputed and debated, but we're somewhere in that range. We're water. Depending on how much you've had to drink that day. True, and I always like to quote Star Trek the next generation, we are ugly bags of water, and it's true. So we're we're big, walking,

ugly bags of waters. We are not inherently flammable. But that's rather judgment on their part. I think those aliens were right, Yeah, the aliens probably, Yeah, it was an obviously obviously. The key here is if you want to burn some burning body, you've got to first put it in a food dryer and turn it into cherokee first, Yeah,

and then it will burn real easy. So here's the thing that is that we we technically speaking, I mean we talked about putting somebody into a furnat we can burn because the human body, while being made up of a lot of water, is also made up of a lot of fats and acids and those kind of things burn, So it is possible. But you know, think about the amount of energy that is required to completely consume a human body. I mean, you put somebody into a cremation oven.

Crematorium's oven, they don't completely disintegrate, like there are big chunks left over, big hunks of bone, whereas in these cases of spontaneous human combustion. Sometimes very little bone is left over. It's very small pieces. Sad fact. If and I mean I'm gonna be cremated, I'm not gonna be stuck in the ground. But you know they don't. They then stick you your remains it all blender to grind it all down. Oh yeah, I thought they like took

it out of the parking lot hammer a few times. No, no, I know we're laughing at this, but the truth of the matter is that they have to stick you into some industrial grade grinder to grind up the remaining bits so that you fit into your you know, turn plastic bag special yes, plant pod or plant pod. You know, I think we talked about this before. You actually like

the idea. They have the thing where you can be mixed in with concrete and be used in those constructs that they put in the bottom of the ocean to help coral reefs begin. I like the ones you can do the pods where you plant a tree. Oh and you become just fertilizer for a tree like that too, which is cool. Yeah, probably got to be fertilizer for something for sure, no matter what, unless zombies, which is why that's why you want to be cremated. That's why

I have safe Yeah, take your head off. You can't trust anyone else. Okay, well we've we've got a little off track here. But one fact that I do want to hit here before we move on, and I I played into it a little bit, but that is the whole everything in around the body, not of it is consumed by the fire. Well, that's not entirely true. He thinks some things got scorched at least, well, you know, the bodies that are in like easy chairs. So Mary and Henry Thomas, they were sitting in a chair. Chairs

got burned. Those chairs got massively burned. They burned up. Now that again is the weird part is that you think, well, if I'm in an easy chair in the nineteen eighties, it's full of cotton batting, like that thing should just go up like a Roman candle. But it didn't. A lot of it was melted and burned, but it didn't go up and start the whole house. So some things around the bodies will burn. Carpets or flooring that are underneath the remains will be scorched and to a degree burned.

But again not everything just well, yeah, which is absurd at you know, four degrees. Yes, it seems like things should be catching because because we don't know that's that's what it takes to burn up a body. But I don't know if that these fires actually achieved that the intensity,

I mean, the bodies were burned up, I would assume it. Yeah. Well, here's the deal though, if we are mostly made of water, and let's say you're sitting in your chair and your chair catches fire, all that heat rises, so you're already sitting on top of it. Of course you're already on fire yourself, but you's still got a fairly decent quantity of water in your body. So maybe a lot of that energy is absorbed by the water in your body,

and it all just you know, burns. I think that's the I think what you're describing is much like a funeral pyre where they set the body on the logs

and then that all consumes. And and you're talking some about your taking into the transfer of energy and evaporation, and we're going to actually address some of the heat question that Devon brought up and some of what you're talking about when we get into the theories which believe it or not, we're already at where there is because a lot of this story actually is in the theory section, so we should probably go ahead and do that now. But let's take a hot second for a word from

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That's a very that's a very very good point. So here's here's the Here's the way the theory runs is that, according to the bygone eras, the idea was that you would drink too much and there would be a build up of presumably just the alcohol in your system and that would make you flammable. And a lot of people in the nine and early twentieth century actually bought into

this so much so that it worked its way into literature. Uh, there's their stories by Dickens, Poe, Melville, even Twain that talk about characters that die by spontaneous human combustion, who were all alcoholics. I think they were just scared of themselves. Uh well, maybe Melville the Temperance movement got ahold of this idea and they would run with it big time. Obviously, it didn't work out for him in the end because their movement didn't really long term last. So they worked

out fine for a while. Yeah, they got for about ten years or so. Maybe it turned out that the instances of spontaneous human combustion didn't decline and that was actually the downfalling. Well, but then they would just blame it on the bathtub jin. Yeah, because bathtub jin was some flammable craps. Yeah. I would actually like to know that prohibition really actually reduced drinking at all in America. I think it it stopped casual drinking. I think the

hardcore addicts still found a way to their detriment. They still found a way. People will still drank. It never stopped. That's why we now tax it and make a boatload of money on it through the government, because people like

to drink. Tax it. It's just like you know, Mariland, It's just like, yeah, you wonder how fine we will tax the hell out of a show that Yeah, yeah, yeah, Um, but yeah, So the idea though that drinking too much is gonna make you catch on fire seems a little absurd because I have been next to a lot of people in bars who I wish would catch fire, and

they did not do so, present company excluded. Right, So I've actually seen a lot of drunk people drop like lip matches and cigarettes on themselves and they still don't go up. I have seen people still hard liquor on themselves while lighting a cigarette and not catch on fire.

God loves fools and he is protecting them apparently. So this one, this one, obviously, I think we can just throw under the under the round because it's not there unless you know sunk cases, Like if you're drinking like you know, hundred eight proof, you know, flammable stuff, maybe that could be a contributing factor somehow. And most booze unless it's like at least like what hundred fifty proof or higher, it actually isn't flammable. That's true. That's true.

And we'll talk about some of that a little later on with Robert Bailey. He's the guy who was found in the abandoned building. Yeah, so we'll talk about this. This alcoholism will come into play with him, and we'll flesh that out a little bit more. But let's move to theories number two, three, four, and five, which are all lots and lots of fun. Number two being that the cause of spontaneous human combustion is all lightning. Yeah, while lightning, which is like, you know, the explanation for

a lot of things. Yeah, I was gonna say, it's one of the handful of go to explanations for things. And you know, the interesting thing about ball lightning, right is that it's kind of a weird unsolved mystery in and of itself. I've actually considered covering it, but it's just it's, well, we talked about squishy. It's a squishy theory. It's a squishy story because there's really nothing concrete. I will tell you right now for those of you who

don't know. Per the Internet, the description of ball lightning is and I quote, a luminous spherical object that varies from p sized to several meters in diameter. Though usually associated with thunderstorms, this phenomenon lasts considerably longer than the split second flash of a lightning bolt. Many early reports claim that the ball eventually explodes, sometimes with fatal consequences,

leaving behind the odor of sulfur unquote. So if you happen to see a little blowing ball hovering next to you, hit it with apply swater before it explodes, or run one of the two. Run. Yeah, I mean, we've talked about this, the problem with spontaneous for spontaneous hum combustion. When you bring in ball lightning, is ball lightning? Nobody's ever proved that it's a real thing concretely, like they've

done it in the lab. People, Okay, in the outside world, people have said that they have observed ball lightning in nature. There's always these claims, but they're unsubstantiated. And then guys in the you know, scientists in the lab have tried to recreate it, and they have managed to do it. But it is momentary, like fractions of a second. It is only visible through certain spectrums with special cameras. Like it's not it's not as if they can say, look,

we made the ball go across the room. It is, it's here's gone, it's it's milliseconds kind of thing. So, yeah, that's what electricity does because it moves that speed light and all that stuff. But the hard part is is that we we can't even say that it's a real thing. So how can you say that that's the cause of spontaneous human combustion. We can't say it's a real thing. We just can't say that it is a real, spontaneously naturally occurring thing. I really agree with that. That's a

good point. I will absolutely agree with that. You're going to rule that one out. I personally do not believe that it is the cause of this, but nobody has to rule it out if they want to hang onto it as a preferred theory. I'm not going to tell you put it in my pocket. There you go with your other marbles. Let's move into the next theory, which

is static electricity and or geomagnetic forces. So this theory is the real reason that at parties you shouldn't be cute and take a balloon and rub it on your head to make your hair stand especially if you've been drinking, because you may burst into flames. So also don't go to the after and that will not make the little children love you. They do the Edison ball or whatever. You put your hands on it and the static electricity

makes all your hair stand up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't start that rival real because those guys are still fighting in this day. I got to tell you guys that about dr Mega bolt sometimes. Yeah. So basically what this theory is is it's it's it's much like ball lightning in that it's saying that for the static electricity side, it saying that you've built up enough static charge on your body that in some way it arcs and that

catches you on fire. The geomagnetic forces part, I've never really seen other than the words geomagnetic forces, I've never seen a good description of it. So I don't know what's going on with their clue there should be it's just something that people call geometic geomatic forces. Not even they can't even specify what right if the clue is, it's like it's forces, and I don't know if nature. Yeah, the force is strong and this one it's zapp you're

on fire. Yeah, the idea, yeah, I know, the aesthetical electricity I get. I mean that could that could hypothetical geomagnetic forces and magnetism really yeah, I don't understand. And and listen, I should have suffered. I should have been

killed by spontaneous human combustion. If static electricity is the cause because I am the person who is always reaching for something and getting shocked to the point that the snap of the arc jumping from whatever thing I'm grabbing is loud enough people around me turn and look like I get shocked all the time, and I do. But you know, but it could be it's it's not just aesthetical interest. Do you have to have to be other factors?

President also some chemical composition in your body. It could also be that because you are releasing your static electricity, you're not going to burn up. It's people who like retain that. The people that you're zapping there, they're the ones who catch fire and burn up. Do you do you stay long enough to see if they catch fire? No? Dr Xavier taught me not to stay around after after, so I just I always leave. I've got my little blue friend, he teleports me away. It's all. It's all okay.

Magnetic courses. So that's especially week. I think, Yeah, well, let's okay, So let's move forward. Keytoast is our next theory. The look on devon space right now. I kind of like this one better than the ones we've had so far, where they get better as they go I stacked at

the deck on purpose. Keytoast is is a theory that is proposed by a man named Brian J. Ford as the cause of spontaneous human combustion, and he says that it's because of this chemical process in the body keytoast is that these people are catching on fire, which totally a real thing. So if you don't know, keytoasts is a process by which the body metabolizes it and burns fats in the body to make energy instead of burning glucose to make energy. Because you have two ways. There's

basically is it aerobic and anaerobic? Those are the two. No, it's not an aerobic and anaeroa, but there's the two different methods and they both make energy. Which is you know, when people are fasting or their dieting, they aren't taking in as milly many calories, but they're still able to function. They're getting that energy and it's because their body is converting fats into energy through ketosis. To clarify, for your body to actually survive on ketosis, you have to be

eating like no carbs. You have to be taking no carbs. And I only know that because I've done that well and That's why I say fasting more so, probably more so than it depends on the diet. There are diets that are you know, but it's actually very popular right now because you just eat eggs and bacon all the time, and I do, and I am the bottle of health. Yeah. But but yeah, I mean it does change the chemical makeup of your body, at least temporarily. Yeah. And it's

a normal, normal process. The body does it naturally. It's it's how evolutionarily speaking, it's how you got through times of famine when there wasn't all of the things around to just happily munch on, and you had to go for days or weeks on end before you had another meal. That's how you survived. And that's how a lot of creatures survive. The thing about this, though, is what Ford focuses in on, is that because of this process, the body creates and then in a way uses aceto acetate

and aceto ascetic acids. I can't believe I got those right, Uh. And those contain the very unstable compounds which your methyl and ethyl compounds, so methylene and ethylene, which are both things that are very very flammable when they're in high concentrations can be We have to be really careful here because this is a you know kind of conversation that people have a lot where they're just like, well, it has, you know, monoxide it so it's automatically awful for you.

And it's like, well, there are actually tons of kinds of monoxide that are fine for you, just becauseide not so much. The other oneside is that yes, I I will tell you everybody who's ever consumed that has died, so you know, actually you can you know, actually a bat tupple that can kill an entire village of people. That's true, yeah, talking, but that's exactly you know, I just want to be careful as we're talking. It's not apherently. The body produces this stuff in very, very mind nute

fractions of the fractions of a fractional amount. So it's not as if you are just all the water and your body has now been replaced by this potentially explosive compound. That's not the way it works. But according to Ford, he says that if you have the right to build up of these compounds in your body, do to ketosis, you'll start expelling gases, these methyl ethyl gases out of your mouth primarily is where he says, and maybe out of your skin. I wasn't too clear on that part.

And then if you come into contact with some kind of spark, say you're a smoker or you're round of flame, then your your breath may catch on fire or your skin where you're you're exuding is the word I want to use, But yes, and what's coming out of your pores, then that might be the admission point. There are a ton of people who don't do ketosis as like a standard diet these days, like like tons of them. It's

very popular right now. Lots of them also smoke. I know they're not just poofing up into flames, but so it might be a combination of factors, like it's like an airplane crash. It's not one thing very true. Well I would, so I personally will put the stamp of

pseudoscience all over Mr Ford and ketosis. Okay, Well no, unless unless somebody can document in the lab that there are certain people, because you know, everybody is a little different, there might be some people out there that you know, they go into the state that that particular state and they crack out tons of these chemicals I mean I kind of doubt it, but it's possible. I mean, some people, uh wear silver and it tarnishes in a day, and some people wear it for a year and it's fine.

And that's all just the way your chemical compounds of your body react to things. So Okay, I still discredit it, but we'll give it the slightly less discredited grade than I originally gave it. We'll move on now to our next area. I believe this is one, two, three, four. This is number five, which is the sub atomic particle pyroton. Yeah, doesn't it sound like a really crappy super o, the

world's tiniest super here a supervillain. Probably it's there's a there's So everybody's now confused because we've just made up the superhero. It's not actually a superhero supervillain. Instead, it is all the creation of a man named Larry Arnold. And Larry Arnold wrote a book called Ablaze, which was this book all about spontaneous human combustion and all these stories.

And in that book he posited the theory that there must be some subatomical particle that was flammable in certain people and that was what was causing them to catch on fire. And that is as much description as you will ever find on the interest about this. I didn't buy his book. I couldn't find it in the library. I'm pretty sure that that's the most that there is about pyrotox. Best. It's a theoretical sub atomic particles of

probably just actually fictional. Yeah, although yeah, some of them are kind of fictional so far, and there's a lot of hypothetical ones. They're still trying to actually find evidence

of that, you know. But actually, some subatomic particles do pass through our bodies all the time, so I could imagine that some special little particle came along and some special set of circumstances I don't know, And it's a little subatomical particle with the dark goggles on and the red span X with the flame pattern on it, zooming

through going yea that yeah, yeah, kind of like that. Yeah, okay, yeah, I don't know, so, but something I've been watching a lot of Marvel movies lately, so that's that's where I kind of gave up in the Marble universe. It's gotten too complicated. There's too many, too many superheroes out there anymore. Boy, do I have a movie for you. Really, that's stupidly

complex and complex. But at a certain point you got to like dial back the number of characters that having been said, shall we move into some things that actually seem to be more substantial. Okay, so we've had our fun, let's talk about the real stuff. Okay, So let's see the next thing on the list is flamethrower. Yeah, I like that one. You penciled that in on your version of the script. It's actually not on mine, nor I'm looking at Devon's it's not there either, So nice try.

My handwriting is so perfect. Yeah, yeah, it really does in crayon. So the theory is that these people are catching fire, not through spontaneous human combustion, but through external heat sources like say smook. A lot of people don't seem to be according to the science. They don't seem to be catching on fire on their own. But it's more like I said, it's it's the cigarette, or sometimes it's a fireplace or a match or a lighter or some other flame that is causing them to burn up.

Especially back in the old days, a lot of people still had like gas lighting in their homes and stuff. Oh yeah, would eaters everybody smoked everywhere. I mean there's the world was just one giant pot of flammable materials. There was very little fire retardant in anything. And consistent factors to to take into consideration in this theory is

the people and their states. A lot of the people who are consumed or killed in cases of spontaneous human combustion tend to be and that's not always, but they tend to be elderly, and they also tend to have some kind of impairment to their mobility, and that could be due to their age or metal could conditions, or obesity, or because they're using lots and lots of booze or medication. Those things that are are basically knocking them out or

impairing their ability to get away from a fire. Basically, what we're saying is that somebody sets themselves on fire, normal human under normal conditions wakes up, goes, oh, crap a fire, and put it out to sleep. But in this theory, the theory is that for whatever reason, they're unable to put that fire out and just explain the false correlation between booze and spontaneous conduction. And that's where we're going, because we told you. We told you in

the initial section about four individuals. We're not going to revisit their cases because it turns out they fall under this theory, most of them pretty well. Because it turns out Steve was withholding information Ala the FBI and I are always withholding information. And by the way, I don't send me to the email. I just realized I did. I did use correlation incorrectly. I meant to say false causation. They're gonna light you on fire for this is like

something let's tell people you know, correlation does not equal causation. Kids, Okay, okay, So let's start with Mary. That was our first case. Yes, Well, it turns out that the reports and and some evidence of her situation when she was found in her home in St. Petersburg, Florida. It was sent to the FBI and they figured out that Mary had taken sleeping pills that the night before, which was something she had been known to do regularly, like nightly she took sleeping pills.

There are some people and they were pretty sure that what she had done, she had taken a sleeping pills, sitting in her chair, was having a cigarette, fell asleep and that cigarette then caught her body on fire and she burned up. Now I will throw out there because I love this and we're in the theory section is there is one alternate theory for what happened to Mary Reeser, which is it's the super villain theory, which is that a guy named Professor Krogman of the University of Pennsylvania

said that this whole thing with Mary was actually a murder. Okay, let me finish a devon before this one. You're gonna get the trots on it, I know, but they said,

he says that someone murdered her. They then took her body out of her apartment, incinerated it at a crematorium, brought to the remains back to her apartment, put them where they were found for someone to then find her, and then to really sell the story, they somehow heated the door knob of her apartment so that when the landlady came by, she go ouch, that's weird, it's hot, and would call the cops and they would find her remains. You sound like you don't believe this so well, So

there's how far fetched. Piraton was the bad guy, the supervillain. This is about five orders of magnitude beyond that to me as an even more improbable Well, it's like the stupidest way to get rid of a body I could

think of it. It's like, well, you're not really getting rid of it, but you know you you take the trouble of removing the body incinerating and why bring it all the way back to the crime scene if they didn't incinerate it all the way the leg the slipper, well, I'm gonna guess it, that didn't fit in the incinerator and he was like, damn it, just let it burn off. It's fine. Yeah, I don't know, it's weird. It's just and there's like no reason to even come up with

a theory like this. Flaming down the complicated. I don't understands. It does bottle the mind that some murderer would do something like this. It makes no sense to me. It makes no sense. So that's why I put it in here because it's a fun little bit. I'm going to give you a murder back to murder one on one. Don't do anything when you kill somebody, if you're trying to cover it up, make it look like not murder. Don't do anything to attract a lot of undo attention

to the case. Like a body spontaneously just catching fire all by itself. That gets a lot of people really interested in looking into it. You don't want to do that. You don't want to draw attention to your Yeah, well yeah. My final problem with this is if you've got the body, you've got it cremated, just let her disappear. Well, you really do feel like you need to bring some kind of mystery to it. It's real easy for the mystery

to be she just disappears. This is much like Joe brings up this theory of well, they wanted to leave a mystery for the ages, so he did this. That's one of the things you always go too. And I feel like this is just so far and beyond. Honestly, we should leave it behind. It's fun, but it's just so Cuckooville. Let's talk about John Bentley. He was victim

number two that we talked about. The investigators figured out that probably what happened to Mr Bentley was that, as we said before, he was known to smoke pipe and he was wearing a robe, and they believe that what he had he did is he inadvertently spilled hot ashes from his pipe onto his bathrobe and lit it on fire, at which point he ran to the bathroom to get a pitcher of water to put himself out. By the way,

we're with him here. When your clothes are on fire, you don't want to run, especially don't want to keep wearing them. That's a bathroom. That's that's that's the weird thing here. But but they say that he must have done this based on broken remains of what is believed to be a water pitcher in the bathroom, along with the fact that there were remnants of his robe which were burned we're you know, still smoldering in the bathroom, and they were next to the hole where the body

had burned into the floor. And he was known to you know, walk around in his robe, and he apparently always had a box or a book of matches in his pocket, which pipe smokers. If you don't know this, smoking a pipe requires wooden matches because you have to watch a lot of drawing on a pipe like that to get the tobacco actually cooking correctly or stovepiping correctly

is not the technical term. But you can't use paper matches, but you could use a lighter or a toke, correct, But I believe that in this day, at age in the sixties, when he it would just be to use matches. My grandfather used to smoke a pipe, so this is how I know this. I used to watch my great grandfather do this all the time. But it takes a while.

So he's got this box of matches in his pocket, and they think that what happened is that the fire hit that cardboard box of matches, which are magnesium tipped, and so they just went all of them and that probably ignited the whole thing. My guess is at that point, when he's in the bathroom, he falls in his effort to you know, put himself out, as Joe said, take the damn robe off. But instead he's trying to put

himself out. He probably fell. He probably hit his head and knocked himself unconscious and would never wake up due to the fact that his body would then be consumed by a fire. It's just, um, I'm kind of say this guy was just what a walking disaster zone. I mean, oh my god, you know, I mean he first he lights himself on fire, then then he falls and you know, it hits his head and knocks himself out, and god, it is it is just it really is just a

series of unfortunate events. Yeah, it's really what it is. It's just amazing that it goes in that sequence. Let's move to Robert Bailey. He is the homeless man that was found in the building biting the newel post. So no external means of ignition were found on his body, meaning he wasn't a smoker, but he was known to be an alcoholic. And I feel so bad for this guy because, oh my god, was he on rock bottom because he was not Daniels right. No, he was drinking

denuded alcohol. Denuded, yes, d natured alcohol, which is the stuff that they used to to you know, yes, I mean it's stuff he used to clean like goo off of the wall. Is that like, isn't that like wood alcohol or something? Is that? Like it's one step above um rubbing alcohol, rubbing alcohol? Thank you? Like this, This poor guy was so far down the well that he was drinking poison to to get his fix. And if he is drinking that stuff, it is doing bad things

to his body. And he is probably more than drunk. He's probably a little high from it. And one thing that if you've ever seen a sloppy drunk. Sloppy drunks tend to wear what they're drinking because they missed themselves and they dribble it all over. So he's he's now covered, He's probably got a good coating of flammable material there, flammable liquids on himself, perfectly tee it up and ready

to be a human torch. So at that point, then at all it takes is somebody else smoking a cigarette, flicking an ash at him, or him trying to light a fire and creating a sparker god knows what, and then this poor soul turns into the human torch. So with him, it seems to be that, yeah, he is. He kind of is the the end. He is the alcohol theory. Yeah, he really is. That that's what the alcohol theory is saying is going to happen. But it's just that it's a series of factors. Yeah, I mean,

it's it's yeah, it's one of the one thing. I mean, it's like, you're too inebriated that everyone when you're so drunk, you're gonna do something stupid and let yourself up fire number two, you're so drunk you don't know it, you're not you don't know what, or you just can't really react to it. Yeah, you're in the number three. You've got booze probably all over your your clothing and stuff,

you know, or at least the alcohol. Yeah this, Yeah, he's the I mean, I feel bad for all these people because people who experienced spontaneous human combustion die, they die from it. But this poor guy, he's from the description of his story was so far down. Yeah, he was having a really hard time. Yeah, it's it's kind of harsh. So let's move away from Robert Bailey. Let's do have to say fire or no fire. I don't think he was long for this earth. If he was, no,

you're drinking that stuff? Would I would not disagree with that. We'll go to a victor, remember four, which is Henry Thomas.

Mr Thomas. There was evidence of a fire in the fireplace in his house and they said that, so there's a non spontaneous human combustion theory, which was that he got up and stoked the fire and then got a spark of the fire in his hair, sat down, and then calmly sat there while he burned up, which is just stupid, because if he is able to move, nobody lets their head just burned like that flaming thing in

your hair. Yeah, and and and an actual crime scene investigator, it's like, there's there's absolutely no way that he would just sit there and let that happen if he was capable of doing something about it. So they think that probably if he did indeed get some spark on his body, he from the fire, the reason that he didn't then put himself out is he may have actually already been dead. He may have actually died from a heart attack, either

through shock or pain or just naturally. It just, you know, again, the perfect series of events. He's went and stirred the fire, looked at was saying, hell, I got a spark on myself and then had a heart attack and died. And therefore then it was he was a perfect candidate for that fire to spread. That's that there's a lot that one was the flu open in his fireplace. I could he have accidentally poisoned himself like carbon monoxide poisoning. I

don't know that, to be honest with you, Devin. I So here's the hard part is that when you do look at the pictures of this. The Internet loves to have photos of spontaneous human combustion. With the Internet does not like to do is say which case it is. And there are a lot of cases of people burned up on floors or in chairs near fireplaces with no description of who is who. Yeah, and so I saw a bunch of that. I was like, oh, that that could be Oh no, was that could be? Oh no?

Which is why Yeah, Mr Bailey like, I'm pretty sure I found the photo of him, but I'm not positive. Yeah. Well, actually there's Mary research photos are always documented pretty well because she's one of the first one that was photographed, and I think that's might be why she's so popular. But I don't know if the flu was was closed anyway. Yeah, you know, so we're gonna so the next theory is actually kind of a combination of the last theory, and this is, well, this is the how does it work? That?

How do it work? This? And this is the wig effect because everybody seems to be catching fire from these external sources. So again, as we talked about multiple times, now, why isn't the entire room around them burning up with them? And scientists believe that the reason is is that there's this thing called the wick effect coming into play. So

we're gonna we're gonna talk about a candle. So you have a candle, a wax candle, and you light the wick on fire, and the heat melts the wax at the top of the candle, and that wax kind of flows up the wick, and that is mostly what's burning. The wick itself is not on fire. It's that fatty material ak a wax, that is allowing the flame to be sustained. It's the same thing as I always used

to I never understood this as a kid. You'd see the movies where people would like they'd have torches and they'd go into the jungle cave, and I'd be like, wow, Wow, the torches burned so long. And then I would get a stick and a couple of rags and I would light it on fire and it would go woof, and the fire would be gone. It would last just long

enough to set the house on fire. Of course, in the movies, what they don't show you is where they put them in some kind of substance that you know, gasoline or diesel or whatever, so that those fumes or what are burning and not the actual material that right, But the candles are kind of the same. Thing is that the waxes flowing up the wick it is then burning. The wick itself is not. It does burn, you are correct,

it is eventually the wick itself is eventually consumed. And when the candle gets down to the very very bottom and all of that wax is burned up, the wick itself does is completely consumed, and then the fire goes out because it's got no more fuel because it's on a metal basin. That's why your house doesn't burn up. But then again, we don't use candles to light our house, thank god, thank goodness, I'm not here anyway. But theoretically, the same thing happens when the human body catches fire

because of a spark. So your clothing typically is made from cotton fibers as well as other fibers, which can be flammable, and a lot of things these days are not. But if we look back in history, that was not so much the case. Pure cotton all the way, baby, it's the best stuff for burning. And what would happen is that there would be a spark, the cotton fabric would start to burn and be not an open flame but more of an ember kind of scenario where it's

just slowly burning. That would burn the skin, that would split the skin, allowing the subcutaneous layer of fat that we all have underneath our skin to be exposed to the heat and it starts melting, and that creates the same wick effect, where that fatty, that fat that has been turned into a liquid form, is now flowing up into the fabric, and that's sustaining the flame, right, And it's sustaining the flames. So the fats are burning, not so much the fabric, and as the flame deepens and grows,

it's absorbing more and more and more of those fats. Now, the muscles in your body have much less fat, but they do have fats and acids in them, and those things are flammable. And there's also the fact that, well, your body is made up, as we talked about before, a lot of water. But if this flame is going on, and this takes hours and hours and hours to happen, what's happening is that the fats are waking away, and in the heat of this fire, the moisture that is

left behind is able to evaporate. It's one of the reasons that a lot of these scenes have this this gross sooty spell because all, yeah, it's all this this literally human condensation on the walls and the ceilings because it's evaporated out of the body. This it is grows and this theory every time I read it until I found this one study, I thought that's utter crap. Then you watched the thing. Volunteers the study, well they they were they were brought in by the truck clothes not really.

So here's what the deal is. There is a British show, a BBC has a show, or used to have a show. I think it might actually be back again, but it's q e ed and they would look into all these questions and stuff and they set up an experiment where they took up the body of a pig and they wrapped into a blanket and then they lit it on fire. Yes, the pig was dead, and they used a pig because pigs are great stand ins for humans because we're built the same, and it turns out people act like them

a lot. So it's a one to one exchange for science. And the research and the reading that I've done says that it wasn't easy to start the flame. It sounds like it took a multiple tries to get it, and they had the pig with a blanket on and in a mocked room, you know, with a TV and a bed and all these things, and it took multiple tries. But once they got the pig going, it then sustained a fire for about five hours and it consumed most of the pig. So this seems to support that this

is possible. Now, there's all kinds of people out there that poo poo this, and there are a lot of issues with q e d S methods, and they were by no means a scientific study, but it does show that if done correctly and under the right circumstances, it could happen. It totally could happen. You just gotta get your subject to lay there catching fire for a long

enough period of time. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Now they're the whole host of people out there who have done alternate studies trying to say because remember, like Mary and Henry were both sitting in chairs, and those chairs were partially consumed and not just like the outside of the chairs were consumed, but but big hunks of the chairs

were burned up while big hunks were left behind. Well, some other researchers have tried to replicate that by putting something on the chair and lighting in on fire, making small control sustained fires. And it's what they've say, they're evidence shows is that it's very hard to do anything in a small flame situation like that other than to just burn the outer coating to to char it and not just to catch the thing on fire and have these great sagging holes of material that appear to be

left in cases of spontaneous human combustion. So there is this contrary side of research. It's like, yo, dude, that we we tried the other side of your sprayerman and it doesn't seem to hold. I think the trick with that is um because the pig one did have the chair did get consumed in a similar fashion part of the bed, yes, or part of this they didn't sit up give the cigar. And so for me, part of it is the fat. I mean, you know that is

the liquefying out of your body. Because you're burning, it's also going to run places and then that will make that material that much more flammable and it will pool in certain areas which will then go up on fire, and then that other one kind of comes into effect where they're like, but it's hard. If there's not that accelerant, it's hard for the chair to catch on fire. So

it just goes out. Yeah, you you're you're basically creating a you've looked into We've all had those big candles in our house, you know, with the where they create that inch or so wide diameter a spot of hot wax in the middle. And if you think about it, if a human body is burning, the same thing is gonna happen. There's gonna be that hot well. And eventually, if the wick were to last long enough, the wax on the outside of that well would start to melt in and then wit and then run up the wick

and continue. Doesn't always happen, but you know, I've had candles that had a two inch deep well and then suddenly they just start. The wax on the edges starts just flooding in and it burns forever. It depending on the consistency of the wax and the type of wax. Most candles we get today are meant to not completely be consumed, but it does happen. Uh. Now, there is

other questions here. If this is the case there are general questions about spontaneous human combustion, and these are kind of outside of the wick theory, but they're they're there with it, so I include them here. Which is the bones. We talked about this before, that people who are put into you know, cremation oven, their bones don't completely disintegrate. Yet these people who suffer spontaneous human combustion, it appears that most of their bones are almost completely destroyed by

the fire. The stuff I've said, I've read, and the stuff I've been thinking about it seems like there's a couple of different reasons for that. One. It's not necessarily the heat of the flame, but more so the duration. So a cremation takes around three hours, and these fires tend to seem to go for about six to eight, so it's under sustained heat for a longer time frame.

Of course, that heat is going to do a better job of melting things like the bone marrow and having it wick out, which then leaves a hollow, brittle structure that can then be broken down. There is also a lot of research that says not only are the suffer the people who are going to experience what appears to be spontaneous human combustion elderly, but a lot of them

appear to be women. And in these cases of women, what they've done is they've studied the bones of women, and they have figured out that osteoporosis is an issue. We all know this for ladies. This is a problem

in later life if you're not careful about it. And the bones of women who suffer from osteoporosis put under fire become much more brittle, and they break down much more easily than someone who is not who hasn't lived with that and so and and now we kicked this back to twenty plus year, twenty years back when there was no research to say you need to do this to prevent it. A lot of ladies experience that, which means they all were then much more susceptible to not

evely the dangers of broken bones. But if they had spontaneous human combustion, their bones were gonna just disintegrate under fire. Of course, by the time that happens, you're you know, all burned up anyway, So what do you care? Right, But it explains why the bones aren't just sitting around. Why is there not just femurs and shoulder but or not femers, but shoulder bones and spines and ramps and all that. Like, you know, why aren't they just the

game of operation with ash around it. Yeah, that's that's really where that's going. Yeah, yeah, so there you go. Yeah. Well then there's other things. There's other questions here that people are asking, which is things like why is it that the lower legs and the extremities the hands and part of the forearms are left behind? Well, that is one one good point is that there's not a lot of fat in those parts of the body. Uh, there's this.

This also cracks me up, is that the other explanation that I get on the Internet is there's this thing called temperature gradient for the body parts. And really, what I think this is supposed to boil down too, is heat to surface area. There's less surface area on your hand and your your wrist, then there is, say to your abdomen, because it's a much bigger area, so it can retain heat, it can cook longer, you can burn more.

But according to the Internet, at least in one place I found, which is freaking awesome, says oh yeah, no, that's because those body parts in that temperature gradient. They're burning in the wrong direction, because according to the Internet, if you light a match and you turn it upside down so flame, you know, the flamy bit is pointed down, it will go out. I have I have burned myself way too many times din get around with matches to

believe that. So I think the temperature gradient part is literally less fat less surface area, and not they're pointing the wrong way. Well especially, it usually seems to be legs or a leg at least to survive, and those tend to be lower down, and of course the heat all rises, so it shouldn't be a huge surprise. I suppose that's a leg or two might survive. And you know a lot of times the reason that hands don't

survive you got them in your lap. Maybe well you've got them in your lap or on your chest or on your abdomen in some way, shape or form, and so they're on top of that larger heat source and so they are then consumed. So okay, So my my general takeaway, and I don't and YouTube can tell me your thoughts on this. My general take away from this is that I don't think that people just randomly ignite. I do think that they are in some way incapacitated.

And it to me the external source of fire is something like a furnace or a fireplace or a cigarette. And I personally am actually interested to see what's going to happen and say the next years for cases of spontaneous human combustion is fewer and fewer people smoke, and there are fewer and fewer open flame sources are available in the home to see, you know, do do the cases continue steady or do they go down? Or do they go up? I'm I'm curious to see. I have

a feeling that you're going to go down. Well, I mean, instead we have cell phones that ignite, Yes, but that would that would leave a tell tale bit of evidence of if you've got a cell phone with a lithium battery right underneath your body. Yeah, maybe, I mean it could burn all the way up. Maybe he really obvious that his butt caught on fire because he had his iPhone. Yeah, no,

I'm joking, but I agree. I think, you know, the this body burning up phenomenon is real, But I think that there are a lot of external factors that we can use to explain it doesn't Yeah, fire didn't just come out of nowhere. Unfortunately. No, No, I think that I think the idea is very titilating. It's fun, it's entertaining, it's it draws you in and oh my god, this could happen, but it's kind of supernatural, you know, it's

that kind of guess people. I also think that a lot of time, certain details get omitted, and we see this all the time and stories and I think that I whose story was that I said this before? It's to sell newspapers, and I think that was I think it was your last Joe's I think. But yeah, but it's it's all to sell newspapers, you know. That's that's what they're doing. So they cut, they curtail the facts. But that that is all that we have on spontaneous

human combustion. By the way, if you want to know more, South Park did do an episode on this phenomenon, the hard hitting documentary. Yeah. Well, then it turns out a different theory about it. Well, it also turns out that Elvis wrote a song about this, So there is that out there above by Elvis. Yeah, and there's there's earth, wind and fire. They're really all motivated by all their

songs were motivated by spontaneous human combustion. Let's not forget cheap Trick had their big comeback yet you know what the course was, I will be the flying Yes. Yeah. Chariots of Fire also based on people in chariots who caught on fire sultaneously. Well, we see that every time you see a clip from that movie. Those guys are running, running their asses off. What are they running from? Trying? It's wet, so they don't bird? Yeah, So okay, Stevan's

got the look of she doesn't agree with this. Devon's got that look of wrapped us up guys, stid kind of yeah, okay, okay. Well, if you have thoughts about spontaneous human combustion and you want to share them with us, or you want to share a story, suggestion, or just about anything else, feel free to send us an email.

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do positive ratings and reviews, help others find us. And if you are a Stitcher user but you are not a Stitcher Premium member, I'd encourage you to do to become one because we are on Stitcher Premium and by joining what you get is you get all of our episodes four days early, you get them add free, and we put out bonus content once a month. A yeah, and that's all available to you as a Stitcher Premium member.

So if you want to do that, you want to get a hold of those benefits, go to stitcher dot com slash Thinking Sideways, enter the promo code sideways, and if you sign up for the twelve month plan, you get one month free. Yeah it's yeah, it's totally affordable. It's totally awesome. I know a lot of people, even our mods are doing it, which is really funny because they're like, I totally know what everybody's gonna talk about. Yeah, yeah, no, no spoilers, guys. Okay, where else are we were? On

social media? We've got a Facebook page. We got a Facebook group, so like the page, joined the group. If you want to join the group, you gotta answer the questions. They're super easy. I think you can figure it out. But lots of fun discussions happening there. So not only are we on Facebook, but we are on Reddit. We've got Subreddit. We're on Twitter where we are Thinking Sideways,

where Devon puts out all kinds of funny content. We are also on Instagram where you're Thinking Sideways podcast, so you can get the show links as well as other funny photos that Devon puts up. Steve sometimes put stuff up to I occasionally put stuff up. Did the microphone sock photo go up? I don't know. Oh, we need to make sure that goes up, because that was that was I came up with a pretty clever way to keep my p sounds down on a microphone. I'm not

putting that pop filter repers cross. Oh it's it's not gross. It was freshly laundered. Okay. So oh, I think that is all of the places that you can find us, support us, do all the awesome things that you want to do. Um, I don't have anything else to share here. We're over an hour and I didn't think spontaneous human combustion could go on that long. So we should put this fire out, spray some Seltzer water on it, and call it done. So until next week, ladies and gentlemen,

flame on, I got nothing that was really watered down. Yeah, thank god,