Thinking Sideways: Georgia Guidestones

they're a granite monolithic monument. They it, it's it. I think it's an it because it's several, but they're assembled into an it. It's like they don't say it's a single stonehenge, it's it's stonehenge. Well I don't know, now, I just stonehenge, but that it. But it's guide stones. I don't know. Yeah, there's a there's a bunch of them, not just one. So this the granite monument is in um Elbert County in Georgia, in the United States of America. I guess we'll start with a description of what it

looks like. It's probably a good place to start, of course, pictures on the website absolutely, and nifty drawing too. Yeah, we're definitely gonna put that drawing up because I think it's the best way, most descriptive way. It'll help you understand some of these bizarre things that we're going to describe. Absolutely. Um So, as Steve was kind of alluding to often, this is called the American Stonehenge. Yeah. It's about nineteen feet and three inches tall, which for our non American

listeners is five point eight seven ms. Okay, that's that's kind of right. I believe that conversion. I'm really good at conversions, so it's obviously right. And one of our listeners go out to the web. Yeah, it's six granite slabs that weigh two hundred and thirty seven thousand, seven hundred and forty six pounds collectively, not each, Yeah, which is huge, bigger somehow it's very small, but it weighs a lot of a lot. Is that what was that

movie where they had the miniature Stonehenge? Are you talking about Spinal Tap? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that's what this makes me think of. Man, I don't you don't remember that in Spinal Tap? When we're going to have a huge stonehand on stage and then they lower it. It's about eight inches tall and they have little people dancing around and they're all upset. It was in danger of being crushed by little people there. They drew it all up. But instead of that, they put the dimensions in inches

instead the feet. An easy mistake to make. So this is not the one from Spinal Town. No, No, it's huge, looks a lot different. It does look different. It's only stonehenge. Ask in that it is monolithic stone and it's made of it's made of big as rocks, yeah, really big rocks. However, this one was made in the century, sorry, really late seventies. It was revealed in just to dispel any kind of weird We know how it was built, don't worry. There

are five slabs that are astrolan astronomically aligned. Well there's five, there's four. It's the skinny one in the center that's not really aligned with anything. Well, it's line. It's a line with the North Star. Yeah, so part of I guess you could say that's astronomically yeah. And then there's a capstone. So there are five that are the full nineteen ft tall. There's a yeah, and then there's a smaller cap stone on the top, which is still you know,

big enough to crush your car. Shy normous. Yeah, there's a stone tablet that was set in the ground kind of west of the structure that provides notes and history and a bit about the purpose of the guide stones. So on the four stones that Joe was arguing with me about, just the four bigger that are aligned, I believe they're aligned north, south, east, west, the northeast, southeast, but they're all you know, aligned there in an ex battern.

And on each side of those is an inscription. It's the same inscription on every side, but it's in eight different languages. Yes, English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindu, Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese, and Russian, which we'll talk about you know, the languages a little bit later. Some of them are really widely spoken languages, but some of them aren't. Not a bit of a mystery. And it's ten kind of new World commandments,

if you will, carved into these New Age. Yeah, they refer to them as New World commandments, new World Order commandments, new World commandments. So we'll read them one at a time. I guess we'll just kind of go around in a circle. And one. Maintain humanity under five hundred million in perpetual balance with nature to guide reproduction wisely, improving fitness and diversity. Three Unite humanity with a living new language for rural passion, faith, tradition,

and all things with tempered reason. Protect people in nations with fair laws and just courts. Six. Let all nations rule internally, resolving external disputes in a world court. Seven avoid petty laws and useless officials. I like that. One. Hey, balance personal rights with social duties. Nine Price truth, beauty, love, seeking, harmony with the infinite. Ten, be not a cancer on the earth. Leave room for nature. Leave room for nature. So that's the ten commandments. And then on the cap stone.

Can we repeat that in the other languages? No, I mean if you can, if you speak all those languages, you totally can. Y. Yeah, So there's a shorter message on the cap stone. It's on the four different sides of the cap stone, you know, because the cap stone is leading flat, right, So it's on the small edges your like, what about a foot and a half thick. Yeah. Yeah, So it's on the like the raw edges, not the

top on the top. It's uh inscribed in four ancient languages Babylonian, Classical, Greek, Sanskrit, and Egyptian hieroglyphs, and it says the Georgia Guystones Center Cluster, erected to March twenty two, nineteen eighty UM. And then below that there's a there's an outline of a square inside which is written, let these be guide stones to an age of reason. So that's guess. I don't know, you can keep describing, and I do want to just as an aside, some of

these guides guidelines have been a little controversial. Yeah, and we're definitely going to talk about Yeah, probably shouldn't put the one. Yeah, there's a lot more. There's, you know, there's more stuff to talk about with the astronomical astronomical features. Astronomical features, there's three main ones and they are laid out on this stone that's placed a little bit away. It's the granite stone that's placed kind of to the west of the stone hinge embedded in the ground slab

in the big old slab in the ground. Yeah, so it outlines the astronomical features and a little bit more information. The first one is a channel through the stone that indicates the celestial pole, and that's the one that's in it kind of like goes up diagonally through the center pole, the center stone, center stone. Sorry, and obviously it points true north to the to the North Star. Yeah. The second is a horizontal slot that indicates the annual travel

of the Sun. So there's kind of like a mailbox. Yeah, it looks a little bit like a mail slot kind of in the center, kind of at eye level, but it tapers down on together side to a hole. And even it's it's I pointed towards the Sun on the equinox, yeah, on the vernal and yeah. And the third is the Sun being through capstone that marks noontime throughout the year. So there's a little hole through the caps own that

mark's noon at any given time of the year. Yeah, because the sound is going to be in a little different position in the sky. And I didn't ever see and I'm presuming I couldn't see. I didn't notice this in any of the images that I was looking at where that's at. Is it that kind of because when you do the travel of the Sun through the year, it's it's almost the infinity loop. So is that etched in the stone, because I never saw that, and I

wasn't sure I presumed it was there. I don't know, you know, I look for pictures of that too, Yeah, and they just don't exist. Yeah, there's there's all kinds of web pages devoted this stuff. There's a weird like smooth area. The edges of the rocks are kind of like stylistically shorn, right, And that's what I'd seen, that smooth area, which is what made me presume that there had to be some kind of inscription on that piece

of stone. But nobody has taken a picture of that, And and we've seen a bunch of illustrations that are very elaborate and well done, but they didn't ever call that out. So maybe it's not there if they're not calling it up. But it seems weird that you would call that out specifically with a hole in the stone, and then not have any way for somebody to reference.

Do you know what I'm saying? I guess, But it also I think you know, these these these stones are meant to stand for thousands and thousands of years, right, and that it's generally accepted. I'm a little bit jumping ahead, but generally accepted that they're meant to guide repopulation, like after an apocalyptic event. So I guess it may be that it's allowing for shifts, shifts, celestial shifts. Yeah, but I don't know. No, that's why. That's why I was asking.

Looking at me like I'm the biggest idiot in the whole world. Okay, that's not what that looked me. I was just I was just sticking in on the post apocalyptic world. You know these guys, so your counties over, Hey, you know what day of the week it is, what the date is? No, it's good on our horses and ride over the So it was this lost in thought. Yeah, okay, So going back to what's inscribed on this stone, it says author R. C. Christian, a pseudonym, pseudonym. Yeah, yeah,

that's pretty impressive. If I had to chisel all those things out, i'd be dropping whole words. And yeah, there's a lot of spots. Right. I put the word in above and carve a little d um and I want to make it very clear that that is inscribed. It is. It makes sure on the stone it says R. C. Christian, it's a pseudonym. Ye, just make that very clear because when I, you know, the first couple of times I read through the stuff, I was like, yes, I know it's a pseudonym. Stop it. You don't have to like

explain to me with this reading I'm doing. Oh no, it's actually you look at pictures and it's actually inscribed there. So below that it says sponsors a small group of Americans who seek the Age of Reason. And then below that it says time capsule. Sorry, time capsule place placed six ft below this spot on blank to be opened on blank. There was a little aside. Treasure hunters are generally like really, they're like, oh man, there's a time

capsule under there, and nobody knows what's in it. We don't even really know when it was put down there when it's supposed to be open. Well, it turns out that actually a times capsule that was never put under there. It was supposed to be you know, like local fourth graders or something, right, make this time capsule. But that, as far as anybody knows, that never actually happened. It was supposed to happen. After the big reveal, they were gonna,

you know, dig down. So treasure hunters have gone and tried to find this time capsule that's under there, the crap out of it and the ground surrounding it. It was originally totally in set with the ground, and now it's like halfway out. It's kind of just sitting on top of the ground now because people are digging away around it. So theoutic you know, it's a time capsule. It's not gonna be filled with gold watches and cruder rands. Yeah, but I think you know that people. It's not so

much for the treasure. It's that I think people think that there would be answers in there, like an explanation of this whole situation or something. And here's here's the

thing that I thought. As soon as I came across that information about people trying to dig it up, I thought, you know what the simplest way to stop that would be is for the county that owns this monument to just go get somebody with a ground radar and run it across that slab of stone and then make that public available to say, hey, look there's nothing under here,

stop digging it up. Yeah. So here's what I want to say about that and the guide stones in general, is that there is a bevy of conspiracy theories the thing, and I'm not sure that the kind of people who are going out there looking for this stuff wouldn't necessarily be convinced by that. But I think that a lot of people would think that it was just doctored to get us to not look at it anymore. Probably a

good point. Probably the best thing to do is to actually go out there with some heavy equipment and pull the stone and dig down Underneathan about ten feet so, and make sure there's lots and lots of the public there to witness us. You know, there's no time capsule, and you fill it back in, put the rock back, or actually put a time capsule under there. Yeah, there you go. You know, maybe here you go, guys, look fourth graders, put it in there forever, down there, forever

until it becomes obsolete, nestier it would be. It would be kind of hard to retrieve that time capsule of granted, yeah would be. So I don't know what the plan. I've always wanted to like open up a little box and like Tom Castle box and have a little a little dancing singing frog jump out from the Looney Tunes. Yeah, that little frog. Yeah, that guy. So I guess we'll move on to some kind of theory things because there's

two aspects to this. We'll talk a little bit about the problems some people have with these stones, some people to like vandalize, seriously vandalize the guide stones, and then we'll talk about the theory surrounding who created it, because I think that's the real mystery here is who. Okay, Yeah, and I was I was gonna say, I know, there's a lot of stuff about who did it, and that I was hoping we're going to get into that because

that's pretty interesting stuff and that's the only real mystery here. Yeah, I agree with that, who that guy was and who he represented. Yeah, So obviously the biggest problem that a lot of people have with this is with that first commandment that keep the human population under million. That's going to be kind of hard to attain. Yeah, it actually, I guess that works out to h if you were going to do it by killing people, it works out to killing twelve of every thirteen person people the current

population of the earth. So yeah, I guess to put it another way, it means that nobody would exist on this earth except for the population of India something we're gonna die. No. So this is the thing, right, is that a lot of people think that this means we need to call down humanity is what this is calling. And I've actually seen that in in charts and pie charts of people made that were illustrated based out there,

like the call ratio. Yeah, and I think that's a really horrible misunderstanding of what the guide stones are meant

to be. For um, the wonderful magazine Wired did an article on this, among you know, pretty much everybody has done an article on this, but you know, one of the things that they agree with me that and you know, most people kind of do that these guide stones are meant to their meant to last a really long time, and they're meant to help guide like a repopulation effort or rebuilding of building of civilization after a huge catastrophe, like an apocalypse situation of some sort um, so that

you know, it's that you would rebuild your society and think, okay, well we're rebuilding, so we're going to try and do it right this time, at least according to this quote New World Order, So I the day's survivors crawling out from under the robo in Central Europe, for example, we need to send one pilgrim to Georgia. Yeah, I guess. Some people point to there's a guide book that goes along with the Georgia Guidestone, Georgia Guidebook, the Georgia Guidestone Guidebook.

It's not a real it's not that's not a fake thing. It's a real thing. And I don't believe it was actually written by the people who drew up the specs and page for the stones. I thought I thought it was written by the company, right. Unclear on that. I got the feeling that it was written by whoever commissioned Christian. Yeah, commission did because of the stuff that's in it falls very much in line with the writings that are on

the stone. Could be so it says, there's a little quote from here says it's difficult to seed wisdom inclosed human minds. Cultural inertias are not easily overcome. Unfolding world events and the sad record of our race dramatized the

shortcomings of traditional agencies and government human affairs. The approaching crisis may make mankind willing to accept a system of world law, which will stress the responsibility of individual nations in regarding in regulating internal affairs which will assist them in peaceful management of international frictions. It's a little bit of a long quote there, sorry, but people kind of point to that in in trying to prove that they think that it should would be culling not a rebuilding.

I think that's I still think it's bunk. I don't. I disagree. I think it's definitely not. Another one of the things that some people kind of have a problem with is the second one, which is the reproduced wisely

improving diversity and fitness. And again I think that refers to repopulation, but some people kind of look at it as a pro eugenics message kind of yeah, and kind of regulating family units, you know, matching people up and kind of you know, my favorite, my favorite book is Enders Game, and in that a lot of times the parents are matched up based on genetic not diversity so much, but like what they can bring to the table. You know, both the parents are really really smart, you know, blow

blah blah. They're going to be paired together. Stupider people are going to be paired together. Not not in the way that this would ask for, right that you want diversity, so you would just kind of try and bread the healthiest specimens possible. In Enter's game, of course, it's you know, trying to breed the smartest people possible. But that's something

totally different. But people look at that and kind of think that that's the sort of thing that's going on, or that it's kind of going towards a like a China like childcap thing. Um well, let's let's face it. It's kind of vague. So the whole thing is kind of a reproduced wisely, could mean don't have too many kids.

It could mean, you know, don't have sex with stupid people, or it could be it could be a call for governments to regulate who gets to have sex with who and have Also, I'm gonna be really offensive here and say it's in Georgia, so maybe it's like, don't sleep

with your cousin because you never know. I mean, it could be that to maintain genetic diversity, which means don't breed in the same gene pool, which anybody who has grown up into in a rural community or a small town, everybody's related and that's an issue, and it's you know, I'm related to him, who's related her, who's related to him, And that's kind of a from a genet standpoint, not the best way to do it. Well, it's like an Iceland.

I'm sure you guys know about this in Iceland, that there's a registry of who's related to who, and you can look up online. When you become interested in somebody, you look up online if you're related to that person or not. Because everybody's kind of didn't know that. You

just nick you want to find out how closely related you. Yeah, so you you go to find out and apparently, like the young people are talking a lot about this because you you have to like actually be careful if you're going to accidentally breed with somebody that you didn't know that you were like only one or two steps removed. Oh jeez, you're welcome everyone the day Iceland because hey, anybody can breed with me. Yeah. So, anyways, nobody knows

what that means. So what about three? What about three? Living new language? What a great idea like esperanto whatever? So well, are you done talking about number two? Do you want to? Yeah, that's like a uniting humanity with the new language. And which one is that? Which number three. No, what's the language you just referred to? Which one is that? Esperanto? Esperanto? Yeah,

you've never heard of that. I may have. I don't know exactly when there was this call for a single common language, and I forget what it's when it started, like in the sixties or whatever. It sounds about right, Yeah, and so somebody, somebody invented this language called Esperanto and they tried to push it. It It never caught on. It was spoken, Yeah, I was spoken and written, okay, because there was that one language that some guy tried to do.

It was mostly like symbols for writing. That actually got really popular with um mentally disabled and deaf kids. There's any or radio about it. No, we were written language. Um that one doesn't ring a belt was symbolic and he like totally thought it was going to take off. And then it kind of hard to hard to make any language catch on. Small small trivia effect about Esperanto. There was a movie actually that was made that was done entirely in Esperanto. Oh no, if I recall the

name of the movie. The name of the movie was The Incubus at a starred I guess who are you Jennifer brad Pitt, William Shatner. Of course, maybe that's why it didn't take off. He's memorizing his lines and then he's speaking them as he would in English, and then I went to the refrigerator. Yeah, so it's probably hard to be a good actor in your own language, much less one that you don't even know. Yeah, yeah, so I guess, But at that time, I think he was

pretty hard up for work. Well, probably are any of the other commandments stick out to you that you think you want to talk about a little lot of stick out to me is kind of just like a little vague. They're kind of vague and kind of for me, like, it's hard to it's hard to argue with something like rule, passion, faith, tradition and all things. And I'll be honest, I'll probably wait to the end. I kind of have an overarching theory of what drives them all, but it's not specific

to one. It's taking them as a group rather than an individual. Interesting, Okay, we'll definitely talk about that. Yeah, it's essentially though, they're just sort of like vague, little vague little things that you know, don't really mean a lot of themselves. You can't really run a country or world based on these rules. So there has been some vandalism. There wasn't any vandalism until really like which, yeah, it went like thirty years without any vandalism, and then suddenly

there's just been this streak of vandalism. Um. Somebody through polyurethane on the stones and you can see like there's nothing you can do to gain the stone. And then lots of spray paint um and like a little like with sharpie, you know, people writing like H plus L equals love. You know, it's like dumb little things, but also like some bigger things. The spray paint you know.

Some of them said it was something along the order of f your new world order, yeah, or like Jesus will win, like screw you evil, you know, you Satanists will never win. Really kind of if I if I'll be just completely candid here, this is very off base from what I get from what this sets, So I agree with that a little weird, yeah, you know, and it's like it's not exactly causing a ground swirl of evil. It's not like the forces of evil are sort of

swirling around it. There was a coven of witches that decided that it was their home away from home and would be really pilgrimages. Yeah, but it's not like, you know, people aren't really worshiping them. It's not overflowing with people. You know, you can watch these YouTube videos of people going there and it's like completely abandoned. There's no one else's vacant. It's super I mean, you know, it's not like there's thousands of people flocking to the site, or

even hundreds at a time, or even like ten. Yeah. Yeah. The only time I've seen it is on Google Maps and there was one car parked in the parking area and it was probably the people taking the picture. Okay, but they did. Since the vandalism, they have they've cleaned it up a little bit and they've put security cameras and you know, posted science that say it's surveilled, and that seems to have cut down on it a little bit. I just I agree that the vandalism seems to be

fairly off base. It's not I wouldn't say that it really touches on anything that really actually pertains to Yeah, I think that I think that the vandalism is based on it's based on people's interpretations of writings that are trying to interpret what is written on the stone. So it's an interpretation of an interpretation of an interpretation. It's kind of like that telephone game you used to do when you were a kid, and I'd whisper something in

your ear and you'd whisper to the next person. It changes every time, and so they take it as something completely different because it's just been morphed over these multiple writings, So what they're complaining about it doesn't really pertain to what's written there. But again that's just that's my perspective on it. Again, I still think it's off base. I've always thought that the paranoia over the whole new world, new world order thing has always been a kind of absurd,

and and it's out there. I remember, like in It's in the late eighties, the first President Bush and this is after the follow the followed the Wall and followed the Soviet Union. Then he was giving a speech, you know, talking about, well, you know, the whole bipolar East West world is kind of crumbled, and now I guess we're gonna have to have some sort of new world order because things are going to be different, and you know that, you know, the nutcases, just one one, all crazy over

that world. Yeah again, it's gonna be one world government. You're gonna take take over everything and hurt us in the camps and yeah yeah, well so I guess you can also kind of look at what's going on in this period in America's history. In two thousand and eight, I mean, you know, obviously Obama was elected for the first time, and I think that set some people off a little bit. I think, so, I think a little bit.

You know, you're kind of already outraged and think that this like New World Orders is a threat, and you you know, think, well, Obama is a terrorist, and like he's probably part of this new world organization too, and the New World Order paranoids are usually lefties who are considered convinced that it's going to be some sort of

right wing corporate sort of financed Sometimes. I found this quote that talks about America's leading billionaires that meet secretly to consider how their wealth could be used to slow the growth of the world's population. So, and it listed philanthropists like Bill Gates, Um and Oprah Winfrey, Yeah, Ted Turner, Michael Bloomberg, Warren Buffett. So you know, kind of people who are Obama supporters, who are more left wing liberal people.

So I guess there's there is that theory out there that like people who are kind of more left wing are also trying to So it's you know, I think that it can go both ways. Yeah. They really the whole thing about slowing world population is it's slowing out its own I mean, these guys are so well informed. That's one thing that really need to worry about. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. So we've talked about a little bit some of the interpretations of some of the more problematic ones.

I guess we'll talk about who commissioned it. We know made it. It was the Pyramid Granite Company UM, which is headquartered out of the right, like thirty miles away, ten miles away. They're in Albert County. Yeah, they're in Albert County. So they made it. Everybody they were contracted to make they were contracted to make it. It was an interesting story too, because I mean they had a quarry that they got most of their grantited from, but

they had never quarried a stone as big as these. Yeah, and there's a lot of kind of speculation with like, oh, well, Albert County is where the Indians believed the center of the universe. Well, you know, the guide stones are placed within, you know, five miles of where the Native Americans thought, so at the center of the universe was blah blah blah Americans. No. And also it's you know, ten miles from the quarry. And it cost a lot of money

to ship that much granite someplace. And so I think four places available when this was being made that were available for sale. Yeah, this one Christian paid five thousand dollars for so it wasn't that much money. And you know, it was close enough that it wasn't going to cost a fortune to ship these jar large stones anywhere. So I think a part of that is a little bit of convenience. So just go ahead and yeah, call that spade a serious spade. So I guess the first theory

I want to talk about is they were Freemasons. Yeah, could be splash rose rosa cree sans is a word that I cannot hardly say. Apparently they are kind of one and the same, but different people refer to them as different things. Rosa cruise, yes, is a kind of a predecessor to what we call freemasonry today. Apparently, this theory posits that r C is short for rose and cross, which was the symbology attached to rosa, thank you, so

sorry everyone, and then they've since evolved into freemasonry. It's a reference to the little phrase that are that's on the tablet kind of yeah, on the capstone, and then it's written on the tablet as well that says, let these be guidestones to an age of reason, which echoes this book and kind of just the thinking in general of Thomas pain very yeah, eighteenth century freemason. Apparently he was actually a freemason. We have proof that he was

a freemason. Didn't you totally read his book? Right? No? I didn't. I have to be honest with you. I didn't because first of all, why and second of all, I didn't chase the freemasonry thing very far down the rabbit hole because it just is a giant rabbit hole. That's kind of a speculative thing, as is ROSA. Yes,

I guess the thought is the eight languages. This also kind of wraps into this theory the eight languages that are used on the faces of the guide stones for the twelve As we kind of said, some of them are very popular languages. However, a lot of Hebrew and Swahaly specifically aren't even in the top fifty languages spoken in the world, so people kind of wonder why those are there instead of things like Cantonese, French, German, Vienomese, Italian. Apparently,

the inclusion of Hebrew suggests conspiracy theory. To conspiracy theorists that the Zionist New World Orders response, it's always, you know, comes some kind of Zionist organizations. Again, these all kind of like overlap with each other, this one and rose a Crustianism. Yeah, I'm getting it, and then the New World Order, they all kind of overlapped with each other.

Well yeah, and I still I find it strange. I mean, I understand the writings of Thomas Paine, and I can see how all right, well, what he wrote seems to kind of be echoed in the ten inscriptions from the Guide Stones. But then to go into the rose Crucianism bid because the rose Crucians were I mean, they weren't

historically speaking, they were around very long. They were around in late Evil Germany, right, and they put out pamphlets and they claimed to understand the esoteric truths about nature, the universe, and the spiritual realms that have been concealed from ordinary people. And then they disappeared. Yeah okay, well according to the conspiracy theories, because they went underground, Pat, how do you how do you know the New World Order clan didn't kill them? Yeah? Man, yeah, okay, bigger

than you think. Man. The only thing I'll add to the Rosa Crucianism theory is that apparently, uh, the fourteenth century Fround founder of Rosicruciansmusicrucianism, was a man first identified as front Hair CRC and later became Christian Rosenkrunz. And they think that r C. Christian is a nod to that somehow. I think it's a kind of bunk. But yeah, it's it's a weak tie. Yeah I found this, So let's just say that's it. Yeah Alrightmas. Freemason's next is

the New World Order? Well, I was Freemasons and Rosencrancianism kind of rosen crucian Is. I just keep wanting to say Rosencrants. That's so you know that that's that whole theater background. So those are kind of mushed into one it's hard to kind of you can't. You can't unmix those two, can't. New World Order. Mark Dice is an author of a book called The Resistance Manifesto in two thousand five under the pseudonym John Connor. No, not that

John Connor, terminator, killing Connor, Yeah, defeating Connor. Yeahous, keep going, keep going, Okay. He uh demanded that the guidestones be quote smashed into a million pieces. He thinks that the monument has a deep Satanic origin. Maybe kind of the impetus for this, the the graffiti that was happening. Yeah, because his stuff would have come out just a couple of years before the graffiti, so it could have started

to gain traction. Yeah, that makes sense. So according to Dice, slash Connor Christian call him please, he's John Connor, please ARSI. Christian was probably a high ranking member of a quote

Luciferian secret society. Is that how you would say that lucifer secret society based on Lucifer Okay, at the forefront of the New World Order, Yes, quote, the elite are planning to develop successful life extension technology in the next few decades that will nearly stop the aging process, and they fear that with the current population of Earth so high, the masses will be using resources that the elite want for themselves. Actually, the masses will be using resources that

the elite will be selling them. So I think at least will be just five with that, This goes on to get a little crazier quote. The guidestones are the New World Orders ten Commandments. They're also away for the elite to get a laugh at the expense of unafformed masses as their agenda stands clear as day and the zombies don't even notice it. Their agenda. Well, I was gonna say these elites again, you talked about there was Microsoft founder Bill Gates, and I can't remember who the

other there was. So they're they're saying, these elites are going to stop the aging process and they're not going to age anymore, so the live forever. So they don't want the peons using up all the good stuff that they're going to need a thousand years in the future to die, and the elite to be the only ones that are left, and they'll stop aging and they'll be able to create a new Old Order because they'll never die.

But if they're elite, they're probably gonna want some of those lower echelons to I don't know, be farming their food. And yeah, I don't know that the conspiracy theorists go that far. And I think maybe the assumption is robots. I mean, John Connor would know about robots, and we saw how well that worked. Yeah, well, there's another kind of absurd point here. So they're planning to develop successful life extension technology. Well, you can't really plan medical breakthroughs

two decades from now. That's just simply you know it's going to happen or not. You really don't have any control over. Also, we'll go ahead and point out the fact that that would happen next year sometime in the next decade. Is I've actually been making a lot of advances and aging research. No, nothing to slow it down yet. But sing young mice to old mice, Yeah that works apparently. So oh, the injection of young blood into old mices I'm talking about. It wasn't injections. They suddenly I was.

I was talking about. I saw something where they took the blood of young mice and put it into old mice and like, whoa, I'm two weeks old again. That was the next step to so old people have to go out and bag of a young one in the going to the clinic was so I'm not coming over here anymore. Um, so can we move on to the next theory, some more rational stuff. I guess it's not so much of a theory as it is a revelation.

I know Joe really likes this part of it because he emailed me like twenty times this week and it is like, but did you read that? Did you read the article? Did you read that thing? Essentially read that thing I sent you? Did you read it? Did you read it interesting? Did you read it? Did you read it? Yeah, it's got a lot of biological or biographical or starting it's got a lot about the history of R. C. Christians relationship with a local banker. Yeah, it was actually

his liaison for the whole thing. So there's two people. And why didn't you email this to me? Uh, jerk, you wanted to keep me. I I get it. I'm a mushroom. It's okay. I figured that. I figured that Chris. If I figured that if Devin wanted to use it, then she would go ahead and send a copy to you too. I just basically sent it to hear it said, have you seen this? What is this? Because this is obviously going to be new to me. It is gonna be so we have to go a little into the

backstory again, this story makes sense. So this is before everything gets built and directed. Yes, okay, so I've titled this theory White Martin knows because he's he's the only one who actually does he actually does know. White Martin was a very important person at the Albergin Bank. You know, I can't remember if he was the manager or the president or but he was. He was. He was the man who made the decisions. Yes, he was involved in the day to move on top of the whole thing.

He was he did deal with actually granting loans and things like that. And Joe Friendly friendly and I'm not pronouncing the end. It's fine company. Alberton Granite was approached by this man apparently an elegant gray fellow. Not not his skin, his hair. Yeah, let's not go there. Even I would like to order some great whacking pieces of

who was. He was well dressed and spoke eloquently and was very educated and he ARSI Christian approached Joe Fendley, there's the end, asking him kind of outlying his project, did the Georgia guide Stone, and you know, said that he represented a small group of concerned American citizens and these were kind of his parameters. And Fendley said, this guy's crazy. We've never mind anything mind Corey, never Corey. We've never coreried anything even half the size of what

he's asking for. I don't know if we're going to be able to do this, but I guess if he's going to give us the money, we'll try. What the heck? Yeah, that makes sense, okay, arc Christian goes over to the bank. Friendly takes him over to the bank. He's friends with Wyatt Martin. I don't think I think it just just told him, you know, Wendell Martin at the bank. You know, I sent him over the wat Yeah, I don't know if he sent him over there. He walked him over there.

It's you know, a little unclear. This is a while ago. And he says, Okay, we'll talk to Whyatt Martin and see if you can get you know, a line of credit, if you can get the money or anything like that. And if you can get the money, well, you know, i'd be crazy to say no to the thousand dollars or whatever. He's all kinds of money, yeah, lots and lots of money. So Christian goes over to talk to Martin at the bank. At the bank and Martin says, okay,

well who you know, who are you? What do you want to kind of you know, just takes him through it again. ARC Christian does, and arc Christian openly admits, okay, well R. C. Christian isn't my real name is a pseudonym and I'll never reveal to you my true identity. Of course, this is the problem from Martin. Yeah, because this guy's thinking, well, we want you to do this thing to me really expensive, but you know who I am. But he wasn't asking for a loan. He just wanted

banking services, basically. Yeah, he wasn't asking for a loan, you know. He said, I'm good for it. You can get the money transferred from my bank. Here's the account information or whatever. I think. He ended up making deposits in lots of banks around the country and then having them wired directly to Martin's bank. But essentially Martin said, okay, you know what I need to think about this, so come back on Monday we'll talk about it. So I'll

read Christian came back to the bank Monday. Martin explained that he could not proceed unless he could verify the man's true identity and quote get some assurance that you can pay for this thing. Eventually, the to negotiated an agreement Christian would reveal his real name on the condition that Martin promised to serve his soul as his soul intermediary, sign a confidentiality agreement pledging to never disclose the information to another soul, and agreed to destroy all documents and

records related to the project when he was finished. That's kind of counter to what banks like to do. Yes, but again, there's a lot of money. And I guess I haven't mentioned yet that Alberton's soul huge industry is the granite Yeah, that's that's that's what they do now. The big industry is the Georgia guidestones. Yeah, so I don't know. I assume that it's late eighties, people aren't buying huge bulk things of grant. Point. Here, this man comes in and says, I'm going to give you guys

a crap ton of money to do this project. Me. You know, I can assume that it would be hard to turn him down on that. Yeah, probably. Yeah, So Martin White Martin, he's alive today. He's seventy eight years well, I guess he was seventy season is his eighties. He is alive, and he to this day has still not disclosed any information about Arc Christian. Arc Christian, for his part, hasn't been heard of since a roughly on the turn of the turn of the millennium. About this, yeah, roughly

around nine eleven. They apparently would write letters back and forth. They were they head correspondence um. Martin says that every single time a letter came to him, it came from a different place. He never sent letters from the same city. They corresponded for years, So for years they apparently became

kind of good friends. And Martin again, for his part, gets really upset when he hears all of these kind of Satanists, new World Order, freemason theories, because, you know, he kind of says, I don't know, but I had correspondence with this man for a long time, and he didn't strike me as that kind of person. He struck me as a really truly good man who was just a little concerned about the future of America, the state

of things, state of things? Yeah, who's not so any way that Yeah, back to that time, and then he goes and sees friendly again with that little model. Yeah, he brings a little model in a shoebox model of what he made, huh, and gives it to him and you know, pays them and a bunch of specs along with that. Ye, And that's kind of the story. So the banker is the only one who has any concrete information of who the guy really was, and he's not festen Up. Yeah, that was holding true to his word

and not he is. The only thing that he didn't follow is that he's still as of the last time anybody interviewed him, he still had all the documents, including R. C. Christian's true identity, but he wasn't showing he wasn't. No, I'm scrolled away. He thought he would maybe write a book, but he probably you know, I don't think he ever.

He never really got around to it. So I guess it's totally possible that, you know, upon this death, I don't know how true to this promise his family may end up being or anything like that, but I guess it's possible that one and why it Martin dies, they'll release the documents and will know possibly for sure, or they might not, or maybe he'll dispose of them before he dies. Yeah, or he might put in his will that they should be buried with him or something like that. Yeah,

they'll be putting a time capsule under the Georgia night Stone. Yeah. Actually he should put in his will if they should be like burned and then don't put him in Yeah. Not a good idea in retrospect. So the the one other theory, which I honestly kind of like, is that Martin and Fendley just did it together. Doubt it. The RCI Christian isn't a real person that they kind of concocted this story. Martin financed it. Findley was trying to promote more granted us the business, the business, you know.

They thought, this will really this weird mystery, will promote people buying granted things, will promote interest in the area tourists and tourists. And this was the late seventies. Things were really in the Dulgrums economically speaking. Yeah, and if Fendly was his friend, then his business was like kind of teatering from Martin. They wanted to like throw a huge amount of business this way, and this would be

a lot of business. Yeah, and that you could say, Oh no, it was this weird secret person that nobody else recalls seeing around town. You know, it's a small town. Nobody really recalls seeing this man around town. It was this big, mysterious project that took a year to complete. It got a lot of workers working. It got a lot of people doing a lot of stuff. I heard they hired translators from the U n To translate the English myth message and all the other languages. They don't

know about that they may have. I know that they brought they had to bring in special equipment from all around the country to cut the edges and of the stone and stuff like that. So it was this big project. So there is a little bit of a theory out there that it was just these two guys. They decided to concoct the story of this weird, mysterious pseudonyms man business to drum up business and tourism in the area. Could be probably drummed a business, But I don't know

about tourism. Yeah, I don't know about They could be they were just out in the woods smoking or joint and they witnessed the witness to drug deal gone bad and this this is there's a big shootout. Both bandidos die and they walk over and there's this big suitcase full of cash land there and they decided to make the guide stones instead of dude, man, wow, this is this is really wild. Man. What do you want to do with the money? Stone? Hitch man? Dude man, wow,

what do you want to do? Yeah? I think that's probably exactly what They's the iconic phrase from today, the oh you have a theory? Oh I think yeah too, But go ahead, okay, now, okay, So we're not gonna know. I don't think who R. C. Christian was. That's probably true. But but the big mystery is is who is his shadow, shadowy cabal of people that financed him, Who was employers?

And I have the answer to that. Oh yes, a very rich guy who lives in Georgia and who has who thinks and says kind of wooly headed stuff like this, and I'm talking about and I'm holding up the commandments in front of the microphone here because everybody can read him that way exactly. Uh. And so this person is Ted Turner. He is the guy. It's not a it's not a group of Americans. That was just a subtract. Use to say it was a group. It's just Ted.

So that's your entire theories. You're pointing it to Ted. Yeah, I'm standing. But how old was Ted then? I don't know. He was born in Yeah, yeah he was. He was already fairly wealthy by that time, and not nearly as wealth easy as today. But he has some books, Okay,

Ted Turner theory. Okay, Well, No. The thing that really irks me about this whole story is when people go off on the Freemasons and the New World Order and all of this stuff and spazzing out over what what it means when I looked at it when I first read this, and I've I've kind of held this viewpoint

the whole time this was made. This thing had to be designed in the late seventies, which means somebody was thinking about this probably in the early to mid seventies, which is, you know, this isn't a time of turmoil and and love and we should be good to one another, and there's all these these social values that are people are trying to put out there from kind of the

hippie era. Uh sure, And I get the feeling that this is just this is kind of a bunch of wealthy hippies almost like be good to the earth man, don't have too many kids manically, Yeah, I don't, don't kill things man like the planet. And that's what we're saying. But we just wrote it in this fancy way because we had a thesaurus. Man Like, that's really just what I feel like it is. Is Is this a bunch of guys feel like we just think that you should do

these things to be good? And then everybody just went completely off the rails and hung a serious turn in Albuquerque and have just cap going down that path when the whole thing to me is just be good to each other and be good to the planet and end to be okay, be excellent, dude. Exactly when I get rich enough, I'm gonna have one put up and it's gonna have stuff like like you know, like I'd like to buy the world a coke stuff sprinkles and sprinkles. I'd like to buy the World of co could be

number seven, and then number it will be Synergy. No. Yeah, well if we see that pop up anywhere where, Yeah, that's mine. I don't know. I mean, you're you're kind of likeing the idea that it was just those two. I kind of do. Yeah, it seems like the most reasonable to me. I don't know financial history of Wyatt Martin. I don't know if he actually had access to that kind of money. I doubt that he was stinking rich

enough to do that, I don't think so. I don't know if there's some unfinished embezzling charges against anyone, you know. I don't really know the story there, but I kind of like that well, and it could have been, actually, it could have been that he knew the whole group and they were actually wealthy people from Elbert County, which is a little bit of a backwater. It's in way north Way, North Georgia, by the South Carolina border and

kind of off the beaten path. And now that they have the the Georgia Guidestone there, it's now on a beaten path. It's got a major, serious, world famous tourist attraction in it now. Yeah, so I could picture some county elders getting together and just approaching Martin and just saying, hey, look, we're gonna do this, but we're gonna do it on the sly create some mystery, will to create even more buzz and and even more interest and uh and so

you'll never you know, nobody get to know who we are. Well, because that that does ask her one serious question, which is why Albert County, Georgia. Not that I'm putting down Elbert County, but of all the places to put this thing, Albert County, Georgia is the granite capital of America. Yeah, but there's other granite places. Yeah, but it was probably

the cheapest there. Well, I'm sure it was cheapest. Yeah. Yeah, So I know that's just the possible that the last thing you want to do was go to the second cheapest guy and find out he can't corey it big enough, and suddenly you've got a monument that's in danger of being crushed by elves. We're going back to that, and we're going back to that analogy back. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, So anyway asked, My thoughts is that if you're going to build it, we want to build a tourist attraction.

It's going to be called American Stonehenge. And well, if people know that it's just a fake that you built just to draw tourists, and that's not going to have any any sort of draw whatsoever. Where The big mistake there, of course, is that there is an American stonehenge, and it is it's in Washington Mary Hill. Yeah, it's in Merry Hill. Yeah. When was that built? The early twentieth century. I'm going to agree with that, the early century. Okay, Yeah,

well this was a listener suggestion. Who was our listener? It was from a guy named Chandler. Chandler, thank you, very cool story, good idea. You know, I don't remember having come across this one in the past, so can't be true. You know, I probably have, but I just don't remember it. So I'm no. I'm glad that to us because I wouldn't have thought to pick it up. Yeah. I actually wouldn't have either. I don't know why though.

You know, another one of those we talked about this sometimes where we've known about these unsolved mysteries for a long time and we don't think about it until somebody says, hey, you guys should do this mystery, and we're like, oh, yeah, we should do that. Yea, that mystery. I love that mystery. Yeah, I was. I had actually heard about this quite a while back and then forgotten about it. Right, No, I had forgotten about It's on my list of possibilities, but

I just never got around. I guess I thought it was really pretty lame. Well, really enjoyed this story. Yeah, so the pictures or the drawing for sure, and maybe another picture too, yeah, probably. But the links will also be up on our website, which is thinking Sideways podcast dot com. You can listen there, or you can listen to us on iTunes. If you do listen to us on iTunes, leave us a comment and our rating. We really appreciate it, really like those. I can also listen

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think that's solid. Yeah, all the different electric avenues. So yeah, another another week, another mystery solved. Oh we solved this one, did we, Ted Turner, Oh, I see I didn't realize. Well, I guess we'll get on out of here then. Alright to lou folks. Talk to you guys this week. Hi, guys,