Thinking Sideways: Flight MH370

So usually we taught we sort of tackle really ancient mysteries that I've been around for decades, if not centuries or even millennia, and of course we always solve them. But this week we thought we'd do something a little more topical. And you know what I'm talking about, Malaysia Air Flight three seventy. That's right, We're gonna tackle this one. We're gonna find those people and we're gonna bring them back alive. Right yeah, right, okay, So let's launch right

into this. I mean, and I know that everybody who's listening or have been hearing nothing but Flight three seventy for the past week. So I'm not going to go over all the little details, but I'll summarize just real quickly. The flight took off from Cola up Or headed north

over the Malaysian Peninsula towards Beijing. I was supposed to be about a five hour fly and initial reports from the Malaysian government where that the a CARS, which is the aircraft communications, addressing and reporting system they've been calling the transponder, right, Yeah, well there's some of them mixed up, the transponders, like because there's there's a CARS, but there's also a transponder. Is something else that's a communication system? Yeah, yeah,

already I'm wrong, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the transponder is there. It's just basically like kind of an echo thing if you get, if you get it makes me more visible to radar. And so yeah, basically what it does if you get, if you get painted by radar, then it sends a reply and so it makes you a lot more visible to that radar. So okay, So anyway, a car is apparently a CARS did stop communicating at some point right about when they were crossing the coast, the

coastline into the ocean. Uh, and then somewhat after that the transponder was shut off and that, and that it wasn't a key spot because it was in the boundary between Malaysian air traffic Control and Vietnamese air traffic control, so kind of in that no man's land up. Oh so, like after they had stopped communicating with Malaysia before they had to start communicating with Vietnam, they shut it off. Yeah, well, akar Acar stopped earlier, and then the transponder was shut off,

like right between Malaysia and Vietnam air traffic control. But it turns out it ours was not entirely shut off. They said that it was completely shut off, but apparently it was still working because you've been hearing those stories about about how the engines were pinging for hours afterwards. Yeah. Yeah, apparently that that all that stuff goes to the a car system. There's a there's an antenna and all this, all that all that kind of stuff goes to a car.

So apparently it was shut off. In terms of communications. They stopped receiving any text messages or other communication from the people on the plane, but they were still and and and and also that the engine stuff. But the system itself is programmed to every half hour paying the satellite. Yeah. So the way I've heard it described as like a cell phone kind of right, the cell phone was turned off, but cell phones still send out a little like hey

I'm here. Yeah, Hey I'm here. Yeah exactly, yeah, well here yeah, and the context of the a car system is called a handshake. Right. So they turned off the like active part of this communication system. But that but it's a little built in part still Still it wasn't totally disabled system. Yeah, it's not like somebody like tore it off. Brain fairly still attached and functioning and receiving energy,

I guess. Yeah. And so uh yeah, of course I read a Ruyter's interview with six pilots who have experience with the seven seventy seven, and they said that completely disabled it would have required opening a hatch in the floor of the plane, climbing down into a little room, uh,

and pulling a fuse. So not just like flipping a switch. No, flipping a switch probably shuts off the communication bar but actually but but so yeah, so it was still pulling out little beeps and which allowed them to narrow the search down to a very tiny field of like, you know,

millions of square miles. So and of course, yeah, so anyway, let me real quick like, so the plane headed southwest back across the Malaysian Peninsula, and at the time of this of this course change, halfway between Malaysian and Vietnam, the plane did go to take a big excursion to fort thousands feet, which is beyond the operating envelope at the airplane, I was to say, what are they normally

operated about normally? Now, cruising altitude for these is about thirty five thousand feet and uh, and I think the max recommended altitude for these is about forty two forty three thousand feet tolerance. Yeah, so they had been like yeah, so well, I don't know if it was rolling. It did at least once it went up way high and then dropped pretty low twenty three thousand feet, which is below where they're supposed to be and it's about thirty five ft And can you just remind me quickly what

about what time did the flight take off? Like what time are we talking here? Did they leave in the middle of the night. It was a red eye. It was a red eye flight, so it was dark out. It was dark when they left, it was dark and when the everything got shut off it was still dark. So uh, after after bouncing up and down and every thing, it turned southwest, went across the Mala Pa Nizula, wound up in the Malacca Straits. Then I know that place again,

I know. And then it turned northwest and it was tracked for a while that by a military radar and eventually left radar range. And so after that, the only subsequent track it was done via the beeps it was getting from the ACAR system. And so as you all know, you've all seen the maps, I'm sure. So there's a big line that goes all the way from northern Thailand all the way to Kazakhstan, and there's another one that goes southwest all the way to like Diego, Garcia or

somewhere around. And I was gonna say, is I found a really great uh image or a map showing the radius of how far it could have gone? And I know that that will put that on the website, because it really was you here, Okay, well it can go for hours, but how far can it really go? Was it the one that was captioned? Researchers say that Malaysian air flight is probably somewhere on Earth. I feel like quite a bit accurate description of where people think it

might be that the yeah or something. It's probably on Earth. But it is amazing how far the stinken planes can go. Yeah, I mean it technically could have gone all the way to Kazakhstan in one direction. It could have almost made it to Australia in the other directions. So it's that's a huge area and I have to search. Yeah, and a lot of it is water, yeah, probably, and water has there's currents and winds and everything blow on your wreckage all over the place. So the longer ago, so

harder it's going to be to find this. But it did crash in the ocean. It had what two and thirty nine people on it including the crew. Yeah, so yeah, seven passengers and so it was not it was not fully loaded, but still it wasn't empty. It wasn't jam pack, but it was far from empty. And this is a ABO seven and seven seven seventy seven er, which is the extended range. Oh god, it's okay. I was That explains that I kept seeing it, but I didn't know

what the name meant. Those extra bit of characters and correct me if I'm wrong, But aren't those like some of the most reliable planes out there right now, Like they've never suffered a catastrophic failure before ever or something like that. I think I read they've never crashed ever. Yeah, well, there was that little thing in San Francisco that was remember that a year a year a big crash in San Francisco, and that was pilot area. That was pilot area.

You can't let the plane for that. But like, like as far as the like actual plane itself goes, they were saying, this is literally the most reliable plane out there right now. So the fact that you know me that it's people are saying, well, maybe it's you know, electrical, maybe it was like a plane error, maybe the plane crash, it fell out of the sky. People were kind of saying, it seems unlikely given that it's never happened before. But again, right,

there's always first time for everything. Absolutely there is, you know, and you know, there's there's a lot of theories out there. I'll jump ahead a head of myself a little bit, and one of the theories is that there was a catastrophic decompression of the plane because they're hit by a meteor. A meteor. Yeah, we're jumping right into crazy. Yeah. Yeah, so so anyway, but but the last pin was that was received from the A car system was at eleven am,

so that is like eight hours. That's like seven hours, seven seven and a a half hours after they went. So yeah, they were flying for a long time, which makes me wonder if maybe they had more gas than they think, because they were they had enough gas for a five hour flight to Beijing that's about nautical miles. I think I read that it had enough gas for eight hours of flight because I think that they're supposed to carry extra exactly. I mean, you don't want a full tank

because it's a lot of way to carry around. So you also don't want you want enough to get you there, and you want to you want to put a little bit extra for headwind and that kind of thing. They put a little extra in for diversion and a little maybe a little safety cushion. After that, Well, you won't still be landing on an empty tank. Yeah, well there was there was an instance here in Portland some years back where plane ran out of gas over PDX. Yeah.

I don't know if you remember hearing about that. Yeah, it was like they were they weren't a holding pattern over the airport, and I can't The reason was is it his his some light had come on in his cockpit that that indicated his his landing gear wasn't down unlocked the way it should be. So he was flying around and they were trying to figure it out, and meantime he ran out of gas and crashed it in a Portland neighborhood. Luckily managed to hit a vacant lot

and not too many people got killed. How long ago was this? It was years ago, like seven or eight years, would say, at least. Probably it's an old it'sn't old, Okay, a long time ago got it, but it's been speaking of but anyway, speaking of fuel, you know, there's there's a lot of theories out there, of course that this is some sort of conspiracy to hijack the plane and

take the plane. And so as far as the fuel that was on the plane, um, you know, you don't really know how much got put into it because of somebody in the ground crew was in on the whole thing, then he could have actually put quite a bit more fuel in there. And so how do you know how much is like capacity like if it had been like fall up, how much fly time would it have had um in terms of I'm not sure about time because

that depends on your speed. But the max range of the e R is seventies seven hundred nautical miles, which is like fourteen thou some kilometers something like that, which is like, yeah, I mean like just like an average speed, that'll get you a long way. So probably from from where they were at that I imagine that would get you to Europe. It will certainly get you if you wanted to go to kazakh Stan or Pakistan, and will get you there easy. Yeah, it doesn't look to it.

It seems to me that based on the field that they had, if that's accurate, they didn't quite have enough to get them to Kasakh Stand or wherever there's some people are claiming they might be. But at the same time, if you look at those arrows and the fact that they were getting pain from that position at the eleven in the morning, well they were almost there, so maybe they did. Maybe they made it, I don't know what.

So now now that we've got all the sort of basics down there, time to time to launch into the crazy theories. And they're not all crazy. Some of them are really rational pretty good, and some of them are a little out there, but you know, but you know, I've I've actually not included some of the most loneist ones. But don't worry, alright. So I divided the theories into into two categories. One is how, the other is why. So if you want to know, how did this happen?

And why did it happen? Okay, So how so how did this thing disappear without a trace? Again, we've all seen the maps that indicate these arcs going northwest and also going southwest over the ocean. But since it was already headed northwest, I would surmise that it probably continued to go northwest. And so but if it continued to go northwest, it was it was going over all kinds of countries, a lot of countries airspace, like including China and places like that that are kind of touchy about

their airspace. So how did ebate all these military radars of all these countries that it flew over? Okay, So theory number one, it didn't evade them across Chinese airspace and they shut them down. Well, and yeah, yeah, and now they're keeping quiet about it because there's kind of an embarrassing faux pas. I was talking to somebody before this about this, you know theory, and they said, yeah,

but wouldn't somebody report that, like from China? And I thought, I feel like China is the perfect place to shoot somebody down there, right, there's a lot of open space. I just listened to something about how China is actually trying to relocate most of their farmers into urban area. Ye. So there's like a lot of kind of rural areas that are just abandoned with no old people. Yeah. China's like most countries around the world to most of the

population is actually close to the coast. And this would be as far away from the Chinese coast as you can imagine the desert out there. Yeah, so it would be kind of a good place to shoot down So anyway, and then China, of course is what covering this up, because they were like, oh, oops, yeah, exactly, and so they and and and so. First thing that happens, the pilot comes back, so they shoot him because he might talk.

So and then they sent about a brigadi of soldiers up there to clean up the mass and sanitize the side, and of course they shoot them and put them in a mass grave, and then of course the other Brigadi soldiers that had to dig the mass grade to bury then they are they all have to be shot too. But eventually, you know, eventually you get far enough down the l Yeah. Yeah, so that's a possibility. I'm not I don't totally give that a lot of credence myself.

It does seem like somebody would have come forward and says something by now that pretty pretty big stretch. Yeah it is. And also I don't know if you guys have noticed a Chinese or kind of like the Russians and that they don't really care about world opinion very often. It would have been very easy for them to say they weren't responding to us, and we thought it was a danger, so we shot them down. Sorry, everyone, it's unknown aircraft and we thought it could have been a

nuclear bomber, god knows what, you know. Definitely not like a good defense. But I gotta tell you one thing, if if if an unidentified Boeing seven seventy seven shows up outside like say Tel Aviv or Manhattan anytime in the next week or two, it's going to get shot down. Yeah yeah, yeah, alright, So another theory is that innovated radar because it flew in the shadow of another airliner. Oh I really like this. Yeah, it's it's a very credible theory. So a blogger who's in the aviation his

name is Keith Ledgerwood. He matched up MH three seventies course to another flight another having seventy seven by the way, which is Singapore Air flight sixty eight, which is a route from Singapore to Barcelona, and it takes a route that kind of goes crosses where our flights three seventy was and continues on westward kind of westward, of northwestward across India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etcetera, and so, and it was

about at the same time. So he compared their flight paths and the timing and everything like that, and they were very close to each other, and our flight seven he could have swung in behind and just sort of shadowed it across all these countries, which would have required them to shadow them pretty closely. He would have. They would have had to be within about a thousand meters. What about below how do you mean right underneath like

not like but like within a hundreds like but below thousands? Well, no, yeah, you wouldn't want to be right smacked behind me. Wanted either be above. But like if you was like kind of ow it, that gives you a little bit, then what does it give it more wiggle room? Is it? Like, yeah, it gives you a little more. I mean, obviously the guy at Singapore Flight is not going to slam on his brakes. It wouldn't have any reason to you. But you know, you hit a little turbulence something like that.

I mean, things can cause you to slow down and speed up and things like that, so obviously you want to give yourself as much wiggle room as you can, but still straight close. But and what I was wondering about that is, and I don't know this, so I'm going to ask, and I'm going to guess you have the answer. Is do planes, when they're in the air to track other planes that are around, do they run any kind of active radar of their own or they just follow their plan and presume nobody's going to be

in the way. They leave it up to air traffic control. Yeah, yeah, they don't run active active radar. I'm just thinking it was like, well, you know, why wouldn't he see that other plane if he accidentally got a little ahead of him, because they're always falling behind and a little in front. But if it's at night flying it, all their lights are on. That's what transponders off, and they're trusting right, air traffic control will be like, dude, there's a plane.

Real clocks to get out of the way. Sorry. You ever see that movie Pushing Tin Now? I never saw that. It's oh Billy Bob Thornton and I can't remember. Yeah, but it's there their air traffic controllers and all the crazy stuff that goes on, and that's that's when I can just I just I imagine that would be really difficult to be in that same situation while you're in

your own plane. Yeah. So yeah, in terms of in terms of the civilian flight control, it probably would have worked just fine, especially since their transponder was off, because apparently the resolution on on civilian radars is not as precise as militaries military radars they have a higher resolution, which is why you have to stay really really close to keep them from figuring out as two separate objects.

Although it's possible to they might see two separate objects and just concluded was a it was a echo, just an echo or or something like that. So uh, and then of course it could have peeled off anywhere, like say Pakistan, you know, gone out in Pakistan has lots and lots of big air strips. I had heard a theory that that or somebody claiming on the internet, and of course it was the internet right that Boeing was saying, no, you landed in Pakistan. But I have problems with that

theory for other reasons. So they're they're claiming that Boeing is saying specifically they know where it's landed, but that like their technology tracking right, because there's I guess that there. Yeah, exactly was said that that it had landed in like Taliban controlled Pakistan. But I just feel like the Taliban are not the kind of group who are like, yeah,

let's play this one close to the chest. Let's just like keep it on the d L like, let's tell anybody that we have this plane, and we have this plane. It depends on what they're going to do with it. If you're gonna fly over to Tell with a bunch of dirty bombs or New Yorks or something like that, then you obviously don't want to advertise a have it, but I mean obviously you are. I mean, like already

this plane is like high profile. Yeah, well you gotta you want to definitely hide that thing and be discreet and how you bring it out. I was reading it because they actually interviewed some Taliban he's some Taliban guys and one of them, one of the spokesman spokesman, denied that that they had it, and they said they knew nothing about it. And they interviewed some other jihadi type guy, I don't know if he was Taliban or not, and he was saying he saying, no, we don't have it. Wow,

that would be so cool. I really wish I wisht that, ye know, I would really love that. Sorry that was a little little side track. Yeah, So anyway, I find that there would be kind of credible that might have allowed them to evade radar. So next theory, how did

they evade radar? Well, maybe they didn't go northwest. Maybe they actually did go southwest and head off sort of towards Diego, Garcia in that direction south Indian Ocean, and that eventually either found how to remote island somehow somewhere out there that had a long enough airstrip for them to land on Well, according to one nut job, he says that they crashed or he says that they probably crashed into the air base at Diego, Garcia, destroying lots

and lots of valuable aircraft in the process. And according to this guy, this guy's conspiracy theory, the government's coming and covering it up because that's just what they do, and they're embarrassed earlier something and there there has been talk that it went to, uh is it on Deman Islands there in the Bay of Bengal and they're they've got there's one airport there that's big enough. Evidently they

could land a triple seven. And so if it was heading southwest ish, that's you can understand where it was at a relation it could have gone there, except that nobody saw it. Yeah, exactly. They're popular, they're populated, and somebody would have noticed something huge like that coming into their airplane airport. Well, and I don't think that it's airport. That is what we consider an airport as in not

a good tarmac, but it's kind of dirt. So you would imagine the landing gear in a plane that heavy coming in that fast would sink and snap and crash and then all see it, but they didn't. The pilot of this flight have like eighteen or like twenty years of flight experience, like hours. Yeah, he was like a really experienced pilot, so here shaw I think, and and he was like he was a guy and he uh is apparently or was hopefully is but it really endo flying.

And as you guys have all heard, I'm sure that he had this flight simulator set up in his house and I saw I saw a picture of it. Was was really a pretty cool set up. It's like six big screens, big screen monitors and and a yoke and all that stuff. It was. I think that's you know, one of the interesting things is people keep talking about this is like when you look at pilots who are like going to be successfully be able to avert a

midlight like a midflight crisis. This is the kind of pilot look for, right, Like he's supposedly like a really great pilot. Yeah, so he may have been capable of landing in I'm sure he actually was probably capable of landing in less than ideal circumstances. Might have also made him overconfident, Oh I've done this, I've done this before. And simulators have done this a thousand times. I can totally make this work, no problem. No, don't worry about that.

I know you don't do that. I got this. You you know the guy who says I know it all. I'll take control of it all. Hang on the stick, everybody else, get out of the cockpit. Yeah, although cowboy mentality, and to be fair, right, we did just kind of mentioned this though people would have seen this like something

would have said, I always saw that thing. Yeah, I know there could be uh, you know, I read one little bit somebody said that there was an old World War two B twenty nine landing strip in the Ottoman Islands somewhere, and I went out looking to try to find any any corroboration of that, and I couldn't find anything. So I have no idea there. And of course it depends if if somebody's actually using it, then it's gonna

be kind of hard to not be noticed. If somebody nobody has been using it since World War Two, it's gonna be in such sad shape that, you know, it might not be possible to land on. So I you know again, but that the Pacific, I found a site where this guy it wasn't. It was not a well designed site at all. But this guy had pictures and drawings of of quite a few old landing strips out in the Pacific. And they're all over the place. I mean, they really are from from especially if dating from World

War two time. There's a lot of a lot of little atolls and islands that just got turned into basically airports and nothing else. Some of those places, it's just a big runway and a little bit of extra land and that's it. And they're out in the middle of nowhere. So it's entirely possible they found one of these things. I mean, if it was a really well oiled, well organized conspiracy, which of course we're not sure. We're not sure that it is. It could have been totally just

kind of an accident kind of thing. But but but they could have actually found one of these things and gotten a small freight or something like that and trucked out all the fuel that they need to refuel it and get it back on its way and get it somewhere to hide it up, to hide it. And so it's entirely possible. These things are all over the place. Well, I I was looking on the internet and uh W N y C, which is out of New York. They

were doing a bunch of research on it. I found some of their stuff and they were saying that from the last one of the last known locations in that big circle of where this plane could have landed, there's over six hundred airports or runways that are big enough to land that triple seven. So it is possible that it was on an island, or it's some random remote airport somewhere that it somehow didn't get picked up by the radar. So it could possibly have been, you know,

brought down and any number of places. And this is of course saying that it came down whole and was landed successfully. But there's also but there was one that I came across, and and this is getting into the you know, how did nobody see it kind of thing is and this is a really far fetched theory, and I'm going to say that on the outset, but somebody was saying that it was using cloaking technology and that's

why you couldn't see it on the radar. Uh And there's a company called Freescale Semiconductor, and evidently they had twenty people twenty employees on that plane, and it sounds like they're involved in some government contracts, so potentially they could be in this we're trying to make invisibility cloak research stuff, and so maybe they did a live test of it and that's why they had so many of their employees on there. I I and this is this reminds me if remember at Lisa Lamb somebody said, oh,

well there's an invisibility cloak. This is kind of long that same vein. But it's one of those series. It's out there. I don't put a lot of stock in it. It is out there. I think a more a more feasible technology. If you wanted a cloaking technology, um, something that would hide you from radar rather than you know, the visible life spectrum would be a lot more useful.

And so you can I can you can imagine them doing something like that, like one of the thought one of the things they've talked about with with radar and also a sonar instead of trying to have like you know, sort of a stealth configuration of your whole or whatever your plane shape. Instead when you receive a signal and you know some of that's going to echo back to those people, which do is you So when you when you're hit with a signal, your computer just automatically sends

back a canceling tone. So you know how canceling tones work. Yeah, so it's like like in sound. In sound, if if you're if your sound is being admitted, then you and you admit sound at the same time. That is exactly the opposite in the terms of the wavelength and the same wavelength, but they're just out of sync with each other, like they cancel each other out and you get silence. And there's been discussion about that kind of technology for things like radar and sonar. So yeah, so that's a

conceivable thing, but again that's kind of hard to cover up. Okay, So I was reading today and I think this is the thing that came out like literally today, that there were some residents on a like really remote island in the Maldives. Is that how you say that those islands Aldives that saw jet matching the Malaysian airplane description flying as low maybe as eighty feet but probably more like

five thousand feet. Some people said they could see, like clearly see the doors on this airplane was flying solo, they said, Then they yeah, it's super low. They said that they saw a large airliner or a jumbo jet um that was described as being white with red stripes on it, which is what the Malaysian air flight or the Malaysian air airplanes look like flying overhead um sometimes kind of last week and they're kind of they're in

that radius. So I guess that's another theory, right, is that they could have maybe just flown so low that they were below radar, right, because that the thing you can do if you're especially if you're a good pilot. So I mean, you know it's a thing, right that you can fly low to avoid the radar and it up your fuel consumption. Is that true? But I don't

think the Maldives are like that far out of range. No, It's just a question where do you go from there, especially since you know you're you're using up to feel att a buch higher rate because you're flying so low, right, So I don't know if I mean, I think that's kind of an area where there are a lot of islands, right,

a lot of small islands. So I wonder if there's a small island that's fairly uninhabited or that's controlled by a certain group or something that they could have landed on and refueled or just be on and and and this is the weird thing, is that? Okay, so let's just say that that somebody for whoever it is, jack this plane. I don't I'm not saying who was involved, but they hijacked the plane and they landed on one of these little islands. What are you going to do

with it? What's the deal? Why are what are you doing with this plane? I don't understand. That's what I can't understand. Come across all of these they were hijack theories. Is what are you going to do with that giant freaking plane? Well, I'm not not I guess it's not even what are you going to do with that plane? Right? But like what are you doing with the two and thirty nine people that are definitely worth money to a

lot of countries? Well that's that's that's it. And that let me go to some of these things that this whole thing is is weird, and it makes me think of two different things and one only two. Well, no, and this this is going down a different road. But did either of you ever watch the Terrible miniseries or read the book The Lango Leers by Stephen King. Okay, it was this story of basically this plane that slipped out of time and then landed at an airport, and

the languo Leers. Time every second is rebuilt and these things come along and they destroy it to recycle it to use later is kind of what the theory is. The story sounded much more interesting than the Mini Mini series was because it was really badly done because it was made for TV. But it makes me think of that because it was just just plane that just disappeared, okay, or it makes me think of Lost, Yeah, where this plane just disappears and nobody really cares that this plane disappeared.

So I think I sent this out. As some of you may know, there's this little website called Reddit. There's this little there's this little so I read it called No Sleep, which is not meant to be like true stories necessarily, but some of them are touts true stories. And there's like a thread recently, not really I think

I told you about it when it was happening. It was like, actually, I guess it was like when we first started of this guy who posted this story called my Last Flight, and it was just this really long story about how he was on this flight and suddenly like they had this engine glitch or something and then it like they slipped out of time. Basically they were

just like in blackness. And then like a day later he posted a picture and it was like super like all the text that went with it was like really really garbled, and it was like a picture of him sitting next to the window, not him, but like his laptop, and he had written his like Reddit user name out and said like please help on this flight or something like that, taking a picture of that next to the window, and the window was like totally black, and if it

was a photoshop, it was like a really really great photoshop. Maybe when it was nighttime. It wasn't like nighttime, like I just I it was solid black, you know what,

like when you like take a picture out. I've taken pictures out of an airplane window when it's night It didn't look the same as that, but you're right, maybe it was anyways, so it's it's totally similar, right, where Like people were kind of talking about this like this phenomenon of like slipping out of time, kind of referencing like an Amelia air Heart sort of thing people just like slipping out of time or like ships slipping out

of time, things like that. So, I mean, you know, I know it's a crackpot theory, but I kind of like it. It's it's it's an interesting thing to think, absolutely, and it's also a nice way to think of it because these people who have disappeared, well they're they're not dead. They're just haven't come back yet. They're just trapped in another dimension being being like tortured by time goblins. Goblins I've never heard of time goblins have. All right, well,

let's get into the wise here. Let's talk about the wise alright, no particular order. So why did this happen? One possibility mentioned was that suicidal pilot syndrome. One of the pilots wanted to commit suicide and do it in a spectacular way. The problem with that is, you know, if you want to if you want to crash your plane and die and take a couple of hundred people with you, why do you think around for seven and some seven and a half hours the second thoughts? Second thoughts,

seven thoughts. Yeah, the dumbest thing I ever heard in my entire Yeah. No, there is one possibility when you

think about it. I mean, so when they first started going a little bit erratic, and they took that excursion of forty five feet, so I can imagine, say, let's say one of the pilots clocks the other one on the head because obviously the other one's not going to be, you know, too coopathetic about the whole thing, you know, and so he clocks him on the head and then just like takes the plane starts shooting the plane's highs you can go, and then just decompresses the entire plane,

you know, hYP hypoxias sets in and and and everybody's dead and moments including you know, the suicidal pilot. And it takes one I did, because the air mass still drop, but they only have enough air for like ten or fifteen minutes or something like that is what I read. Yeah, so I mean, you wouldn't have to stay up there for a super long time before everybody just eventually passes

out and dies. Yeah, exactly, including you the pilot. And then I also heard the theory of catastrophic decompression in the like sucking everybody out of the plane catastrophica. Well, there's that. It depends on the size of the whole, because there've been there have been incidents like that in the past, where there was one where a big, a big section of a plane it was like going to Hawaii, I think, and a big chunk of it just blew away.

It just tore off. And yeah, what stewardess got She was not belted in, so she got sucked out the whole and bye bye and uh. But apparently apparently she was the only casualty because everybody else was wearing their seatbelts. And actually, after I saw that story in the news, I started getting more religious about wearing my seatbelt on

airplane totally. The thing is, Hollywood is screwed up everybody perspective of what happens with the You know, when a cabin depressure rises, everybody's hold god, everything, and all the seats come on unbolted, and yeah, ever happen, they're pretty stout. Yeah, that is a total trope by Hollywood. Yeah, I mean if you see that on a movie and suddenly every every seat just rattle rattle rattle, Yeah not real, no, no, not sorry to break your heart, but he's super shoddy airplane.

Yeah maybe back in the day, not anymore. But yeah, definitely if you know, but if you're not built it in, well, yeah, you could very wind up, very well wind up going out through that hole. But of course that's way did decompress, ways to decompress the cabin without creating a big tornado of wind sucking. Yeah, but yeah, there, but there are

other scenarios to like there. There is the whole failure scenario, which also incident that happened a while back, and that I was telling you guys about peeled away, which is not really consistent with the safety record of the seven seventy seven, but it could happen. Nor are like all the other stuff that happened on it, right, Yeah, well it's not consisted. Yeah, so that could cause a massive

decompression and incapacitate the crew and all the passengers. But that wouldn't really explain why they took an excursion to feet now, it doesn't explain that at all because that kind of defeat that's counterintuitive. If you have a cabin

decompression issue, you go down, yeah, you go lower. Although okay, so if stuff wasn't working right, like if they got maybe hit by a meteor or whatever, right, I don't know what happens to all the equipment inside of you if your cabin de compresses, right, So, and if you're no, I think I'm thinking more like, what's that other one we were talking about where it was in the middle of the night and if your equipment wasn't working particularly well,

you wouldn't totally know which way was up or down? Oh yeah, that h so maybe I mean he was he was a very skilled pilot, this guy right right, and he had a much more technological he would like on low oxygen or like panicking in the moment. Yeah, decompression wouldn't cause the instruments on the plane to malfunction, but they definitely could could interfere with your judgment, you know, perception.

So it's possible. So he thought he was going down and he was going up, Yeah, which is making even worse just getting better? Wise, th't this getting better? And then dive because yeah, again I don't. I don't buy that because they have oxygen masks in the in the cockpit, and I imagine they have a much longer time than I have heard. I've heard vary varying lengths. I've heard thirty minutes on those. So it's about a double what

the cabin time is. But that's more than enough time to get you down, get you self down to under ten thousands, to regain your judgment and realizing right. And so the thing about it is is like it's just like what they tell you when you're on the plane. They say if if, if, if this mask pops out, and say, you get your kids right next to want to put the mask on the kid, You put your mask on first. Before you put the mask on the kid. You put that mask on yourself first, because if you don't,

then you might wind up just succumbing to hypoxia. And so the same thing was so the same thing with the pilots. I mean, when that mask pops out, the very first thing they're gonna do is grab that they can put it on their face. And so they're probably not going to have any sort of mental issues or anything like that. They shouldn't. They shouldn't. Yeah, Okay, so suicidal, we're gonna we're gonna rule out the suicidal pilot syndrome um and I think we can really rule out a

sudden accidental decompression. Another theory that's been floated is that it was taken for ransom. So the plane and the passengers are worth a hell of a lot. Those those planes retail for two d and sixty two million bucks. Ye ye, yeah, I know. So the insurers, I'm sure it would be happy to pay like, you know, fifty million, a hundred million to get it back. Yeah. Yeah, the peoples a ransom all of those people off as well. Yeah. I feel like human beings are worth a good amount

of money to people who they usually the usually are. Yeah. So you know, somebody is speculated that there may be secret negotiations already underway, said it might be maybe maybe a government or governments are negotiating with these people. That's the thing I ever heard. Well, yeah, the third time I've heard that tonight. Yeah. The uh, it seems a little unlikely because the problem with that is is that

there's really no reason to keep it a secret. And if you do keep it a secret, when eventually you publicize the fact that you kept all these families in the dark for all this time, I mean, it's going to be hell to pay. So I find that a little hard to believe. Uh, and and and so since it's not likely to have been kept secret, then obviously ransom seems to be kind of out of the picture.

I've got I've got one, you got one, Yeah, I've got another one that I came across, which the background audit is that evidently Boeing has been in the process of trying to upgrade the network system in their planes, the internal networks that tied all the computers, and those planes have a USB drive at every seat or a port, I should say, not a drive, but a port, and Boeing is realized that the networks are all tied together, as in every computer in the plane, including the flight computer,

is all network together. So it's possible that somebody could have not hijacked it, but they're calling it a hack jack. They hacked the system. And then if I've got my little tablet in my hand and I plug it in and I hit the button and it executes a program, and suddenly I'm in control of the plane and is playing the controls on my you know, and doing stuff on my little tablet. Nobody's the wiser. The crew is

freaking out, but nobody knows. And so I could plug in a new course and all my new settings and just let the thing go on autopilot and shut down all the communications, so it goes dark and it's not painting anything because I'm just in control. I'm just sitting here flying the plane. Now. I don't know why somebody would do that, and I know how the heck they would have got it back on the ground. But it's

real hard to land a plane on autopilot. I feel, yeah, probably actually a lot of I've crashed many a plane in a flight similarly simulator trying to do autopilot. It's not good. Supposedly most of the modern planes can land themselves. They don't. Actually, yeah, they can land themselves. So but but the whole thing about it is is, um, you've taken command of the plane. And by the way, there's

just an editorialized for a second. Boeing really actually did network the flight computer and all that stuff in with all the other stuff in the plane. What an idiotic thing to do. I suspect they didn't intentionally do it, but that their firewalls were not as robust as they thought they were sore the process of upgrading everything to

try and separate it. Evidently, according to the reports that I've read, I think like it would be like, I mean, a skilled hacker, if you're if you share hardware with the thing that's connected by the same wires, right, even if it doesn't technically share the same network, if you've still got wires that are connected to the same hardware, you can hack into it. But it's I mean, it takes it like a very malicious, thoughtful act. Yeah, yeah,

definitely idiots. Yeah yeah, well if that's true, I don't know. It's it's hard. It's hard to believe that they could possibly have done something like that. Yeah, but you ever now, I mean, this goes back to why would you do that? What are you now doing now that you've done it? Yeah? So the problem I have with with that is number one, you're taking a big chance that you're not going to

screw things up and get yourself killed. And the other thing is that you take over the plane and you're flying it off to wherever you feel like taking it off to. What's the first thing the pilots you're gonna do. They Well, they're going to try to get control back first of all. Second of all, they're going to get on the radio and start talking to ground controls. Not if they've if you've disabled the communications right there, Clearly,

if you can hack into the computer. You can shut down all the communications, so they wouldn't be able to call because you've turned the power off, for lack of a better term, you shut down the radio, You've shut down everything. You're turning off all the corresponding systems. They can call all they want, but they're talking into a dead mic. Yeah, so this hack, it would have to be somebody who really knew a hell of a lot

about the second. It would have to be somebody that somehow got ahold of Boeing's information to know how they're os were. Yeah, I was thinking there had to be somebody that actually actually wrote code for Boeing. I would think you would think or had had gotten access to it, then interpreted, figure out how to how to get in it, rewrite and all. I mean, there's there's a whole host of things that would be required for this to be a viable situation or viable way for it to happen.

It's possible, It's scarily possibly. Yeah, the Malaysians are now they're they're looking into every single passenger that was on the plan, and so there any ex Boeing employees that were on the plane. I guess, I guess we'll find out about it. Yeah, well, you know, they were they were focusing on the two guys that were on the plane that had fake passports, were stolen passports, and they've obviously ruled them out. Evidently they see now those guys

were seeking asylum somewhere else. Yeah, they've they've been looking into randomly people. So it sounds like systematically they're doing it now, Is that what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, they are, they're they're they're pretty much checking out everybody that was on the plane. I'm sure some people, you know, are getting more scrutiny than other people, but yeah, definitely everybody's

being looked at. So what about a fire. There's a fire, it's a possibility, like an electrical fire of some kind, that is that is one of the things that yeah, yeah, it came across. So here's here's how this breaks down. And it was a pilot I think that that posted

this or it was in this news article. Basically how I understand it happening is what he was theorizing is that if at takeoff there is a fire, a fire starts with the landing gear because it was it was hot, so the tires would have had as much pressure in them too, because the compensate for that or because of that, and so then that would cause a small fire to start in the gear, which then would work through the

hydraulic lines then could get into the electrical system. So then it causes an electrical system fire, which, according to this guy, then the pilots would This might explain why everything shut off. Is the pilots are, oh God, something's on fire. They're trying to put out the fire, and they're also going through and yanking all the electrical busses out to stop electricity flowing too so that it doesn't spread.

And either it damages something enough that when they put it back in it doesn't work, or they just can't get it in for whatever reason. They can't get the whole thing to come back up. Uh. And that actually, Joe, which the plane change cores? And which way did it head when it had its sudden weird diversion in course?

Southwest so or northwest right? Yeah, And they were saying that the change in elevation may have been because of the problems with the computer, because of the fire, And then this guy was saying that, Okay, well, I can totally explain why this pilot did this is there he's saying that the pilot was going to the lank Cowie Island. Yeah.

And the reason that they say that they would have gone to this airport is pilots are trained that when your systems are hosed, you don't want to go near anything that has obstacles, and you don't want to go near anything that has people. So they're going to take an oversea route with no mountains in the way, and they're going to do their best to get to that

airport to then land in a catastrophic situation. And according to him, it sounds like then he's saying, basically they were trying to get there and they probably didn't make it. Put down in the seat, yeah, yeah, So like HOWI is like, it's kind of on their route. I mean, they were headed in that direction, but it's on the

opposite side of the peninsula. But there's no giant there's no big mountains, it's very low terrain, so they don't have to because they probably don't have you know, all their systems are hosed, so it's very easy just to go this direction. No, I'm not going to run into anything, literally run into anything. Yeah, and then and then what happened?

Why do they not land there? He thinks that because of the the electrical fire, it just sabotaged the system so bad that eventually they gave out and the plane crash. Like yeah, that's it's it just seems like there's a lot more land in between where they were and where they were going than there is ocean, right because where do I mean right now? Okay, he's crossing a lot more land and get into this and then yeah, and they made they flipped a U turn in like kind

of on the ocean, right Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm not I think it's a really interesting compelling theory. Yeah, it's it's valid based on this guy's experience, and he puts forth a good case. Yeah, definitely. So, I mean it's hard to say. So Okay, it's a electrical fire. That's a definite possibility. Another theory that's put been put forth is that the plane was taken because there was a person or an object on the plane that the pirates really wanted badly. Oh, that it was air piracy. Yeah,

so pirates. But you know that's that's the whole thing about that is there's got to be easier ways to get your hands on that person or that object. There's got to be easy. Didn't we learn anything from Ocean's eleven through Yeah? I thought it was eleven eighteen or something. Was just the three of them? Yeah, they only made three. It just seemed like they kept coming. I know it

was extensive. Yeah, back to back to square one here. Okay, So another series that it was hijack for an immediate nine eleven style attack, and uh, of course taking it back to Kuala Lumpur would be great for that because Kawala Empurr has got lots and lots of really tall buildings and it'd be it'd be a great target for your Alqaia types because as you as you guys all know, I'm shared, Malaysian Islam is a lot more moderate than

your hardcore um Islamist kind of stuff. Is. Well, it's right near Singapore kind of two, right, yeah, and there's lots of big buildings building to fairly liberal and western there's yeah, yeah, and so you know, lots of good tall buildings to crash into. The British Intelligence had had interrogated a guy on Alkada type who informed on them and he was aware he was a Malaysian. He was aware of some Malaysian Al Qaida members who wanted to

pull off a nine eleven style attack. According to this guy, he went to the informer went to a training camp in Afghanistan, and they gave him a couple of real high tech exploding shoes and shoe bombs. Yeah and so really yeah, and so you've got in contact with these

when when he was he was, they instructed him. At some point he got him back to he got them back home, and they instructed apparently he got instructions from all kind of central or whatever that this group of Malaysians was serious and when that he should turn over one of his shoe bombs to them so that they could use it to blow open the cockpit door. Because, as you know, cockpit doors are a lot stronger than

they used to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're and they're heavily reinforced now they're they're a lot beef here and they used to be. So the idea was that they were gonna this group was going to use the shoe bomb to blow open the door and take over the airplane and go do another nine eleven. So it's conceivable something like that happened. That would explain, for example, the excursion of forty feet, because if you're the pilots of the plane and you got these guys, these guys coming

into your cockpit, what do you do. You'd like, hammer the throttles forward as hard as you can and point that nose up and send them tumbling back down the cabin. Bring that. Yeah, yeah, I I The problem I have with these terrorist theories is that I feel like the big terrorist groups again I think I said this a little bit earlier, aren't necessarily known for their like play close to the chest behavior. When they do stuff like this, they're like, yeah, that was us, what look what we

did this? Yeah. Of course there was kind of a failure on their parts, so I don't know. They may have killed a bunch of people. Yeah, so cool they did. There was an act of terrorism we did but we killed but we killed a bunch. So and the only the only thing with the only terrorist group that I've heard so far that's come out and said yeah, we did this with this group that's like kind of near the China Russia order. So yeah, the weaker and everybody

pretty much has been like, okay, weakers, that's cute. You think you could do this, but I don't know, like maybe they could have, maybe they actually did do this. Like, I don't know how seriously people are taking this. I I just think that it is the American propensity and I guess probably the world propensity at this point to

say that Taliman probably did it. Taliban they're great scapecoat and there they tend to be pretty piste off at a lot of people, especially I wouldn't call them escapegoad say, but I guess it doesn't necessarily make sense that they would do this to like a Malaysian airline, right, Like, if they were going to do it, it seems like it would be a less Muslim, more western country, you know, I mean I kinda are you talking about al Qaida or the Weakers? Okay, yeah, but they've never hesitated to

kill other Muslims. I mean, And besides, the plane was almost entirely filled with Chinese people. Yeah that's fair. So yeah, I mean maybe, but it just seemed is like al Qaeda and the Taliban like to take credit for their stuff. Yeah. I think one of those groups did it. We know, because they are we said they are going to claim responsibility. Yeah,

and unless unless, of course, the next thing. But when we get to that in a separate back to the back to the week or so, I just want to I do want to say that the part of the west part of western China that they inhabit is kind of like really on the flight path of that plane, so that that does lend a little bit of credibility to it. Yeah, which is interesting again, right because everybody's been saying, okay, cute, all right, you guys like just

go keep saying you're doing it. I don't know, and again, you know, I don't know how much actual investigation, credence, anything has happened with that, but you know, I'm sure apparently did like day one say yeah we did that. So yeah, I'm thinking that and maybe they did. I don't know how easy it is to hide a plane that side. I don't imagine a lot of satellite photos

would be screw particularly hard. Right now. China is pretty good at stuff, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, uh stuff, and they are that's actually their national motto, yeah smaller alright. So anyway, I know the next theory, uh, this was put forth by well not just him, but by the Malaysian Prime minister said that it possibly could have been taken for a quote unquote later use. Didn't you say that before? They like admitted a lot of stuff though, um,

what I feel like it was pretty early. He was like it might have been taken for a later use. And then he was like, oh and actually we tracked it for way longer than we said. No, No, it was happy to getting a lot of bad press. Yeah, they happen kind of doing a really bad job. Yeah, their communications have not been good. Yeah, no, I mean it was he came he said, this came out of

the press conference. That was after they tracked it, and it's and they tracked all of it's like you know, gyrations turning around, coming back across some lay peninsula and then being tracked by radar up north and then and then they would established by the pinging of the satellite from the ACR system that it was either you know, headed off towards Kazakh Standard or towards the GARCIA. So that was about. That was about when he said that

that it might have been taken for later use. And you know, and so the question is is what is that later use? Well? Yeah, well what is it? Well? Delivering a new delivering a bunch of dirty bombs. I've taken the liberty of compiling this list of targets here. Oh yeah, I know. Why is Joe always trying to get us on every watchless pass right now? He's always Oh, I've got this awesome list. Look at this thing I compiled. It's totally top secret. I mean no, it's not. I

mean it's top it's not. Look at all these places that I would totally take all this stuff if I get my good Yeah. Now, So anyway, so it's a possibility that they maybe it is wanted for use as a delivery device, you know, say a nuke or some dirty bombs or whatever. And I'm just gonna go on the record right now, I don't buy this. I agree with it because we've already talked about how hard it's gonna be for somebody to have landed this plane somewhere undetected.

I'm gonna go step further, not only that, but then to get it back off the ground and to its potential destination undetected. I guess potentially you could pretend to be another flight who's in distress, and there could be some weird confusion and it would allow you to get

close enough. But I just I don't feel like right now at this point, if a flight went up and they were like, hey, that's an unidentified seven seven seven and and the transponder right, like the thing that sends pings unless they strip that thing off that you're talking about, the A cars, the cars, the cars could potentially be completely shut down though, right, but it would have to be right, You would have to be completely sure then at that point, like you've got a seven seven seven

that has literally no A cars and it's totally unidentified being picked up on radar, right, and you go, oh no, we're in distress. People are gonna be like, uh no, clearly you have a Malaysia flight you They're going to send their little scramble some jets out to you and probably down I frankly am in favor of shooting down all seven seven seven. But the uh, the the thing about it is, it's like supposing you use that same

radar shadowing technique that we talked about previously. All right, so let's say you want to like, you know, hit a major city or whatever, you know, so you so you do the whole sneak in Obviously you don't want to do it at night. It's gonna have to be a nighttime thing, sneaking right behind another another jet liner. And so the question is is you know where do you sneak into? So here's some possibilities. Um, you recognize this New York. Yeah, that's one possibility. Next one Los Angeles.

That seems like a far away place to go. No, not necessarily. Um you remember this as the extended range. You know they could and if they went northwest it would be really easy. Rate Yeah, they've got like and and don't forget the the payload on this thing is huge. So I mean, if you if you're planing, is carrying just you know, pilot co pilots, some a fugie hottie boys to have to handle the nuke and stuff like that, and that's it. Plus the nuke you know that's pretty

lightly loaded. It can go, it'll it'll go further, so you can go a good long ways. So the Hollywood scenari under this, under this one, m I've got the thing being used as basically an improvised bomber. So here's a seating chart and layout of the seven seventies seven. Here these are the emergency exits here, and you notice that for them are behind the wings, so you no need to worry about killing your engines by having a dirty bomb slamming your jetty engine at high speed. So yeah,

there we go. So you you would have to decompress or depressurized little cabin in order to do this, which means everybody who had to wear a breathing apparatus. But supposing you wanted to inflict maximum damage on the Infidel Poe as you possibly could, So here's here's a picture of it. You can see you can see an outside view of this this after escape tour, and it's it's nice.

It's got a nice little threshold, which which means that after you pop that thing upen and start chunking out dirty bombs, you're like, there's no chance they're going to hear your tail. He's really seriously trying to get us on the watch lest Yeah, man, I just want to like, I just want to like disclaimer, Joe only, Joe only. I'm not I'm not saying that. I'm not saying I want this to happen. I'm saying it's something we should be thinking about. All right, So what's your next your

next target. Okay, after Hollywood. That's why, that's why I'm picturing in picturing in southern California. It's a target rich environment. Los Angeles Harbor is the largest port on the West Coast. I mean it's as it towers above all the other ports. The other ports are Long Beach right next to it, which is the second largest port on the West Coast. Then after that Seattle, Tacoma, Portland, and so. But but Los Angeles and Long Beach together dwarf all three of

the all. Okay, yeah, so it would be a major blow to our economy to dirty bomb these guys. Next up, Yeah, Disney World for Disneyland, not after spend dirty dirty Bob is green now from the radiation. Yeah, and uh, next, next up, this little guy right here. This is where this is where you administer the Q de gra. I mean you're going all the way down the southern California coast talk chucking out dirty bombs all along the way. So you're you're looking at this is one extended flight

where they are just dropping bomb after bob. It's truly a bomber. Yeah, it's not a crash and throw off one and explode one. And I just say this is this is a possibility, is that you know, a play in the size and carry a pretty pretty big bayload payload, they could actually come in and you know, I mean and and more likely, if they do something like this, it's just going to be a single nuke and that's it.

But I'm saying that if they wanted to do something really really really hamous, I mean, they could be giving some bad people some good ideas. The nice thing is to actually statistics proved that bad people don't listen to our podcast. Our market research has been completed. Absolutely. Yeah. So anyway, so here it is. This is a naval base at San Diego, homeport of the Pacific Fleets. You would take out a lot of incredibly valuable naval assets

if you touched off a nuke over this thing. Or you could dirty bomb this and then proceed south not too far to Tijuana and then nuke Tijuana just to ruin life for everyone. Yeah, but just just to prove Yeah, I know, seriously, wasn't that ruin everything? Not only did you like take out all our West Coast sports, but also to want no Diszealand and wants gone out alive? Uh and just just I don't want to see them

too ethnocentric here. I mean, there's other possibilities Dubai for one, Yeah, the Yeah, I mean number one, you've got this big hawk and tower, uh the College Dubai, I think it's called.

And I've read reports that al Qaeda assuming to get back to the Alcaida thing, necessarily Alchaida, but if it is al Kaida and they've got this thing, they might want to actually do something to the Emirateds because I've I've been understanding that they've been kind of turning their attention to the United that they're not so happy with what they're doing there. Yeah, well there's a lot of I mean, just look at this. Is that not decadent? Yeah?

Is that is? Yeah? Yeah? A giant shining tower of Babel. Yeah is what that is? It actually literally looks a bit like the tower. It does. Yeah. So the so that these are, there's there's just some some various possibility if it was oh yeah, I mean there's just tons of tons of good places to bomb. If you're like, you know, a suicide bomber kind of guy, and you just happened to have a nuke that the Pakistani's gave

you maybe Russia, I mean at that point, who knows. Yeah, well so anyway, Um, but there are there other possibilities out there too. I read an article by a pilot named Bill Palmer, and he was talking about how the behavior of the plane, all the course changes and and everything else. House A few changes were actually consistent with the plane flying without an operator, so the crew was incapacitated,

but flying without an operator and not on autopilot. But even even without autopilot, the seven seventy seven will fly itself. But without an autopilot or an operator or a flight plan to tell it where to go, it's just going to sort of fire and anously. The course changes can happen because of turbulence. One week will get lifted up a little higher, and the will cause it to turn things like that, and so it's according to this guy,

it's con instant with basically a rudderless plane. It'll just keep going until it runs out of fuel and crashes. I don't like that as good as my my later use theory. I think later uses a lot of sex here. Yeah, I don't think that's the term that I would use for that here. Well, Okay, So I think I asked you this earlier, Joe, and and this is this is me from Leyman's term or Leyman's perspective of it. And I don't understand exactly how these giant planes work. I don't.

The mechanics is but beyond me. And I admit this fully. But what I was wondering about is that I've I've seen all these things where people are thinking the plane has been ditched in the oceans on that whether for whatever reason it went down in the ocean. If I'm looking at it from the perspective of somebody intentionally ditched it, and they ditched it in the ocean and then do whatever to salvage it, whatever it is. I know that

again this is the Hollywood trope. Whenever the plane comes down on the water, it smack smack, crash, tumble, tumble boom, like things don't go well. But knowing how big and stable this plane is, I was thinking about it the other day and I was wondering, like, wouldn't it be possible if you know that you're gonna have to go down to come down to a low altitude and really slow the speed down, and you guys have made paper

airplanes before, right? Have you ever you ever thrown an airplane and it does the loopy loop and then it comes out of that and it comes through the bottom of its arc, and it goes up just a little bit, noses up, and then it just sets down on the ground and just kind of I'm not Alane, well, you know it's it's it's a talent. I can't help it.

But the point is, is it possible with a plane like that to have to slow it down enough and to get it to kind of nose up and then lose the inertia and stall out and just drop you know, let's say fifty feet or twenty feet or whatever it is, just boom, just drop it flat into the wall rather than trying to skid it across the wall. I feel like that would break the wings off. I don't know that.

That's why I'm asking, because I wonder about that. Yeah, yeah, I think that The thing about that is is like your paper airplane is is moving at a fairly slow speed, and then it goes up and its stalls and it comes down. But the problem is is that for about seven seven, seven seventy seven stall speed is is I don't. I'm not I don't know exactly what stall speed is, but it's gonna be it's not going to come to

a stop before its stalls. It's gonna stall out it like a hundred miles an hour, because that's yeah, that's the point where air is not flowing over the wings enough to keep it lifted. Its stalls, and then it drops and yeah, and then it hurts real bad. And so let's let's let's say, for example, I mean, let's say, for example that stall speed is only fifty miles an hour, which I'm sure it's got to be more than that,

just hypothetical. Yeah, yeah, say it's fifty Okay, So yeah, so it's still clipping right along EGO up you come down. And then because you're in the open ocean, and almost certainly unless it's totally be calm, there's gonna be waves out there, and you've got two big engines hanging down below there, below your wings, and unless you see anchors, yeah, unless you hit two waves at precisely the same time,

what you're not gonna do. You know, What's what's gonna happen is one engine is gonna catch first, and then you're gonna just cartwheel or spin around or whatever. It was. It was just something. But that, you know, that means there was a case that that flight in New York a couple of years ago, that pilot was able to ditch it in like Long Island Sound. But yeah, that was a really small plane. I forget what kind of

airliner it was. It was, it was a private jet, basically, what do you think, Hue, I thought that, No, that wasn't that was like it was. It wasn't a huge thing. It was a relatively small, like you two seats on each side of the aisle kind of. It wasn't a huge It wasn't a seven seven seven. Yeah. And also it was landing in in very calm waters where there weren't big ways to catch your engines on stuff like that.

So it's pretty favorable circumstances. But on the open ocean that seems unlikely you're gonna be able to ditch it without catastrophic results. And so here's my big thing with the whole crash of the ocean it burned up in a fiery ball, is that there have been report and not you know, I don't know how valid they are, but there have been a lot of reports of people who have family and friends that are on this airliner are trying to call their cell phones and their phones ringing. Yeah.

I have the answer to that, what's your answering? Okay? The problem with that is have you ever called internationally? Yeah? Okay? And have you ever noticed that you make an international call and sometimes it rings forever before they pick up or the answering machine picks up. Yeah. The way I understand that operating is that the service provider is trying to reach the phone and it starts giving you the

ringing noise. Doesn't mean it's actually connected. It's just it's giving you the noise because it's saying I'm trying, I'm trying, I'm trying, and then maybe you hear a click and then it actually will be the real ringer. But it's trying, and it's throwing that ring noise basically response to an illusion, basically convincing you you know that something is happening, you know, and something is happening. They're trying to find the phone. But I have family overseas, and I have I have

called them before. And let's say that it normally takes four rings for their answering machine to pick up, and it's five rings, six rings, and then the answering machine to pick up. It's because the servers happen't quite connect. Yeah, but they're still throwing the noise to me to let me know it's it's it's working, So that's the problem. That's fair. But I mean I have heard the people saying, we keep trying to call my brother, my mom, and my unter whoever he is, and it's ringing, So there

must be their phone must be on. But I don't I don't buy into it knowing how those systems work. Supposing they crashed on land, though, and supposing at least one cell phone survived, would you be able to track them down using that? Probably? Yeah, quite likely. If there's a cell tower. There's a cell tower. Yeah, you know, all a lot of people had like those phones that are supposed to superwaterproof. Maybe that was it, Yeah, superwaterproof plus they float. Yeah, there has to be a cell tower,

like fift away, there's some macro. I don't think that's happening. Yeah, so I am trying to think. I kind of run out of there. Well, Aliens Alien is huge on the inn. They were stolen by the Chinese or the Malaysian Bermuda Triangle. Yeah. No, it looks like the three minute triangle just got extended a big long way. Yeah. Yeah, it's now a tetrahedron. It's the Malaca Street. Yeah, that's true. That's because there's that too. There's that other mystery that we solved, the

ship that thing. Yeah, that's one thing. The thing. Yeah, I just yeah, I mean, other than aliens obviously being responsible for it, I don't know. I don't mean, I like the idea that it was landed somewhere remote and they haven't been able to get ahold of anybody, and they're all, okay, that's two nine souls, and that is Yeah, there's a lot of people lost. But I really, I unfortunately lean more towards the catastrophic fire I have. I

just I think that that is a viable solution. With all of the flaws of theories that we've seen out there, it's the only one that strikes possibly true to me. And then unfortunately it just didn't make it a doubt. So we're saying theories that we think are totally reasonable, not theories we like the most. Oh no, no, no, no, you know me, I don't go with my favorite theory because I think it's fun. I always i'm Devil's ad Which one do I think could really happen? Because my favorite,

my favorite theory is they slipped out of time. Yeah, that's a good one. I like that. I run out of time all the time. Yeah, my favorite is that somebody took it for later use and so. But the great thing about that one is like they're busy, They're busy tearing up the ocean and Kazakh standard everywhere else looking for wreckage right now. And you know, so maybe who knows, I'll find something the next few days, next few weeks. But as far as somebody taking it for

later years, we're gonna find out about that too. And it might be that in terms of looking for records, nothing will ever turn up that that's not unheard up and don't find it because it's thousands upon thousands upon thousands of miles of square. I think that we'll find out probably either in the next week or a year

or two from now. So the guys that are sitting on it right now obviously realized they can't keep this secret for too long, so they're gonna want to use it and go new tele aviv or somewhere like that, or conversally, they might decide to just if they've got it really tucked away in a very secure hang or somewhere, they might decide just to sit on it for a year or two or five and then bring it out.

Nobody's going to really remember the transponder number in five years. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so they might sit on it for a while, but I mean, I'm kind of guessing they won't wait that long, kind of guessing. These these guys are impatient, you know, you know these you know these guys. Yeah, radicals, they is the term you're looking for our loons. So are we gonna have pictures and stuff? Yeah, we're gonna have pictures,

probably on our website, which is thinking Sideways podcast dot com. Yeah, if you'd like to go out and find us on iTunes, we are on iTunes. We're also on Stitcher if you don't, if you haven't had time to download it to your your iPod, then go to Stitcher just exactly. Yeah. Uh, you know, and of course like us on Facebook, and you know, if you want to set us an email, if you have theories or if you're one of the hijackers that stole us plane. We really want to hear

from you for the aliens. We promise if you're a hijacker, not to leak your email address to anybody important. I can't promise that. Uh. Oh, I thank you. Yeah. You can contact us at our email address, which is Thinking Sideways podcast at gmail dot com. If you have the Malaysian Prime Minister third. Uh, don't stress, we're still thinking about it. We'll get back to you soon. All right. Well, anyway, that's it for this week. Uh, this is by the

time you hear this. Who knows, maybe the whole mystery will have been solved. I'm kind of doubting at the place we're going. But but but didn't we just solve it? We did well. We thought we saw the three ways basically. Um, so it may well be that, like in the next week, we'll know which one of us will right. We'll find we'll find out. Until then, goodbye everybody, Bye guys. Bye,