Thinking Sideways: Denver International Airport

kind of makes sense that in arrival or something like that. No, yeah, but yeah, yeah, that makes sense Denver International Airport. Now, yeah, exactly. And before we get too far, this was a suggestion by actually a lot of people, and I don't have everybody's name written down. Everybody suggested different things. Pretty much.

What would happen is somebody would say, oh, somebody, anybody suggested the Denver Airport to you, and I would say, oh, that it's this thing, and they would say no, it's this other thing, and it's like, okay, so I guess we'll do a show about it. Yeah, that's about time. And just so everybody knows, I traveled for this episode she did. I did feel the research. I went to Denver International Airport, she found a hidden door. I did manage to pick the law, found many many underground passages.

Some some like the sort of cultiv kind of devil worshiping altars that have blood all of them and stuff. You know, yeah, some guys that had like horns and weird alien shaped faces, or you ate at McDonald's in the airport. And but I especially like when we found out that those giant crests on that huge room that had that the crest, I said, and wo when that had a giant imposed on the top, that was pretty good.

That was good research I did. Whichever same thing. Alright, let's tell these people what's going on with the Denver. Let's talk about Denver a little bit. Well not Denver, but the Denver Airport. The greater Denver area was served by Stapleton International Airport until in, which I think makes d I a one of the newer airports in America.

So it's a lot of research to do. Just so you know, there's no list I could find on the internet that was you know, I googled list of airports in America by year built, and it when it came with nothing, so I didn't look too far into it. But yeah, I didn't bother looking into it either. I can't think. Yeah, I can't really think of one that's

been built since then, but you know, maybe somewhere. Initially, the d I A Denver Airport was meant to open on October twenty ninth, but it turns out the project wasn't super well planned, and some of the airports that were meant to hub out of there changed their requirements. Oh and also there was this automated baggage system that was kind of a problem. So yeah, so the project was pushed back a few months, then a few months more. Then a strike happened, so they pushed the project back

to May, not two thousand. In April of that year, some reporters were given a sneak peek at this hotly anticipated automated baggage system, which apparently no one had tested. I guess because if they had, I'm sure they wouldn't have let the media. I think they tested it, but not with actual baggage. Yeah, I don't know what happened. I don't know why. Somebody said, yeah, let's bring the

media in here. But when they did. Reporters well reported that close and personal items were strewn under the track system and that the parts of the system that were meant to transport luggage were actually just dumping the bags right off the system entirely. No, No, it's kind of like how they handed your baggage now, except for it's not people, it's machines. Machines will do the same abuse of your luggage for a lot shaper, which is great.

It's a giant conveyor system. But if I remember watching it, basically there was little actuator arms that would shove the baggage based on what it figured out where it's supposed to go on to convey A or B. Unfortunately they were when Grandma's luggage and send Olliver clo. So because of that, the May fifteenth and n open date was once again pushed back, and finally on February d i A was opened, which was eighteen months after the initial

date set. Oh and fun fact, it was about two billion, yes, with a B dollars over budget. I wonder how much. I wonder how much the baggage system cost. It was actually one of the more expensive parts of the airport. Well, do you remember Devin, what was the total cost of this airport? I remember reading it, but I can't think of it off of my mind. But I'd have to say at least a third of their cost, at least in my mind, and I could be wrong. Was that

stupid baggage system because they kept trying to fix it? Well, yeah, I think that if you factor in the fact that it is what kept pushing the date back, the opening date back. I think they estimated that every day they delayed opening the airport cost them one million dollars. So if you factor that into the quote overall cost of the automatic baggage system, which you should, it was absolutely

the most expensive part of the entire project. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm part of the course was building the tunnels for all the automated, automated stuff to exist in. And maybe they can retrieve some of the sunk costs by clearing the equipment out of the tunnels and use the tunnels for something else, maybe you know, secret government installations. Yes, maybe. So there's a whole mess of things surrounding this place, as we kind of mentioned earlier,

So we'll just jump in. I just want to start off. I guess by saying that right off the bat, there are a lot of things about the Denver Airport that I think, taken alone, are pretty innocuous. You know, there's some are there's some other stuff, And if they all existed, just one thing at one airport and another weird thing at another airport, I would be way more willing to say, yeah, no, that's totally I mean, it's a little weird, but it's

totally innocent. But when you can kind of take it all, you take a step back and take it all in in this one building, things get a little fun. And the nice the thing that you got to point out to people is I've been to the Denver Airport. I was there, I don't know, ten years ago or something. I had no idea and I probably saw one of the things that we're going to talk about and would have never gassed that there was so much hubbub surrounding

it all because so many things are innocuous on their own. Yeah, I too have been there, and I didn't know anything out of the source either, But I didn't actually spend a lot of time in the airport, so I spent it in the airport bar. I didn't have time I didn't have time to go like see that Hugh's mirror with a creepy Nazi with the ak Yeah, yeah, that was fun. Yeah, we're gonna just attack this line item style,

So we'll just start with the horse. So each of these, in other words, is a discreet mystery on its own. Yeah kind of. So what are we gonna work our way from the inside out or the outside in or what kind of ish We're gonna start with the horse? Of course, of course, the horse, the famous Mr. You guys have a picture in for of you. It's in black and white. I'm sorry it's much less impressive than it is color, but hopefully you got a chance to see it, and you listeners at home will probably post

a picture of it. Now. I've seen this photo in color. It's actually a really nice photo. It's awesome. I did. Did you notice what's behind the bronco Oh, the thunderstorm the mushroom cloud. It looks like a mushroom pick does It's like thunder e too, thunder and lightning. Apocalyptic. That's super apocalyptic. This this is one of the first things that you will notice about d I A as you approach from the ground. This dude. He's officially called Blue Mustang.

He's also referred um to as Bluesifer or the demon Bronco by locals. Since you're not looking at the picture, because this is a podcast not a TV show, I'll go ahead and just describe this gentleman to you. This beast of a gentleman. He is nine thousand pounds statue. And by the way, if he was actually made of like say, bronze or something like that, anyway, I help

a lot more than nine pounds. Yeah, he's a fairly new addition to the weirdness of d a A. He was commissioned in by um well, I guess we'll get to that, but it was meant to be art. Are pretty impressive piece of skull it is. Yeah, absolutely, it's a thirty two ft tall blue Mustang rearing up. It's pretty dang anatomically correct. Yeah, that absurdly anatomically necessary. I don't know. Ribs show through the skin the way the

light shines on it. I initially, when I was looking at the picture and when I saw it in real life, I thought, oh, there's like weird zombie skin parts of it. But the more I looked at it, the more, I realized it's just the way that it's lit. The way the light hits it, it gives it some yellowy areas, which looks like zombie rot to me. But it's not, well, he's it's a fiberglass, right, so I think that the fiberglass is colored is part of it. So it's not

an even mix, so you get weirdness areas. I think, well, he is he is totally blue. I've seen other pictures of him. He's okay blue. It's just a weird way that the lights. So he's not a zombie horse. No, his tail and mane are are spiky, and oh yeah, he has red glowing eyes, which I love. I think that's awesome they are is not a line kid, genuinely. I've seen this with my own eyes, and that is the first thing you notice. You just kind of go,

there's some red eyes glowing in the distance. There. It's on a horse exactly. But now, actually I think that the reason for that is it's just aircraft warning lights. It's not they're not high enough to be on the very top. I think it's a nice touch though, I do too. So the sculpture wasn't installed until two thousand eight. Why so late, you might ask, Well, it was sculpted by a man named Louise Himenez, and he died in

two thousand and six. And you might be wondering, how well, just because the nine thousand pounds statue of a double horse fell on him and in order in his legs, I bet you can guess which one. There's not that many, but I bet you can guess which nine thousand pound horse saying which legs. It wasn't the whole horse, it was, just which still weighs a lot, I'm sure, But again, it's fiberglass. Imagine if this thing was made out of

steel or bronze or something like that. So the sculpture was finished by his family and some students he had, and then directed much later, two years later. I bet they're the ones who had the rig blowing eyes. Yeah. Maybe, But because of that, people kind of saying it's cursed from the get go. Of course, of course they're saying that the horses cursed, or because it's killed the person who was making it. Yeah, I mean, that's pretty suspicious.

That suspicious behavior for a horsehead. It depends, is this a horsehead from the mob. It could be as far as we know it could be. Do you know who financed it? No, the Denver International Airport. Do you know who finance We're getting ahead of ourselves, all right. Next up is the weird shape of the airport. This sorry, this is dumb. I agree. The airport is made to resemble snow capped mountains and reflect the history of Colorado's native people. And by the airport, you mean the building

the terminal. Okay, just making sure you're not talking about the whole surrounding area. Yeah. Sorry. It's also meant to reflect Colorado's natives who lived in tps across the Great Plains. So the roof is actually made of fabric and it's big white peaks. Well, the roof. Some people say that it is meant to resemble a UFO. Doesn't resemble any UFO I've ever seen. Well, since UFOs are definitely housed below the airport, which we'll get to in a minute. Uh,

that's what they're made resemble. But I really think it just looks like a giant circus tent. I agree. When when the first time I saw it, that's what I thought. Who decided to do this? I don't know. I also kind of wonder who, like, Colorado not the most stable weather state, Denver also not the most stable weather city. I'm not totally sure who was like, oh, you know, it's an excellent idea, let's make this out of fabric. Well, okay, so there's two things. Ones a joke, which is they

have a lot of weed and color. The other is, and I'm actually gonna bash on this a couple of times, which is artists perspectives and interpretations that they can pitch and sell. And I work in the art industry, I understand this. But somebody did a fan TASTICX sales job saying this is what it abstract means and blah blah blah.

And I'm sure that what they did is they showed him a rendering of one or two of the little TP tops that their snow capped mountains that they were supposed to be, instead of the what is it nine or ten or something? I mean, it lose. It doesn't look anything like it's supposed to And I'm I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts that's how that happened. Well, the interesting thing is, um gosh, I don't remember when I think it was two thousand eight, but I can't

recall exactly. Uh, there was a huge snow storm and it ripped the open part of the ceiling. And what did they do? They just fixed it. Yeah, they weren't. They didn't say, oh, hey, maybe fabric's a bad idea. They just quote unquote improved their snow removal systems. It had two ft of snow on the floor of the airport. It's called They closed it down for like four days. It was like a thirty ft long rip if I

remember right by the end. You know, of course it keeps growing, but it was just it had huge implications for the air traffic control of America. Yeah, oh yeah, it's it's a major hub. And the interesting thing is, like you know, I have noted this a lot of times, your your artistic architectural types. We'll design these cool things with absolutely no thought to how they can possibly be maintained and repaired. How do you how exactly do you get up there to clean that roof? You can't exactly

walk on it, can you. I don't know, I don't think so. Yeah, it's just how do you get up there to repair it? Well, you know, there's these things that are called man lifts that scissor up and reach over and there's some yo yo with with the pressure washer. Maybe I'll bet you that's how they do. Second, as they have a crane and they had they had some guy in the harness and they just lower room face down on a rope like con cruise. That's impossible. It's holding a hose in his hand. You never want to

make the crane upper, you're mad because he'll just bump. Yeah, alright, sorry, okay, So anyway, but no, we didn't answer the question though, I mean, okay, so are we gonna answer it later? Are there actually UFOs underneath? We'll talk about it. Yeah, of course, of course. I think it's that's that directly related to the mountaintop slash t P roof. They were saying that people were saying that that this reminiscent of UFOs,

which of course are stored underneath the airport. That's I think that I think, correct me if I'm wrong, if either of you come across this. But I think that's because UFOs traditionally are considered as a round saucer. Well a t P it's base is around saucer, so it's a series. It would be considered kind of a series of them, or the other way to look at it is what was that stargate where that ship would land on the pyramids? So we're making, you know, points for

work to land on an anchor on. I mean, this is the only thing I can come up with because I didn't find a whole lot. I didn't find a whole lot either, and you know, it seems we make fun of I think would be the term I would use a lot of conspiracy theories, not necessarily because I want to disregard them, but more because I just can't buy into anything that just says offhand, oh yeah, because it's because it looks like it looks like UFOs and

then doesn't explain how I couldn't find anything. There's so much hot air and handwaving. But when you say, okay, I'm totally willing to accept that, just give me something to base it on besides your personal observation and belief. And I think that's where we are. I think all three of us run into is shoose. Yeah. I think that this, this one thing in particular, is one of those instances where people just thought they'd put a whole lot of billage out there and see how how much

how much act? Yeah, and a lot, because yes, there's a lot of things like this, things that are completely seemed to be kind of baseless and just based on just one person's assertion. That's yeah. So anyway, but I'm getting ahead of myself. Next up the murals. Admittedly these are super weird. Okay, they just are. No, they just aren't agree they are. Yeah. We uh. We wandered around d i A looking definitely not suspicious at all, taking

all sorts of pictures. So I'm sure I'm on a lot of lists at this point are but this one in particular, My guide and I spent I would say, an hour and a half wandering around trying to find them, walk past them like twice on just the other side of the the hallway that they're in, because you know, they always have those like ads and maps and stuff like that. So we're just like, where are these things?

And then we stopped and I took like a million pictures and just like kept looking around waiting for people to pass the murals. So I didn't have anything that that's a regular occurrences, I hope, so seem to be kind of famous the murals, they are, they're weird. My guide insisted that they were just meant to quote to pick man made environmental destruction and genocide along with humanity

coming together to heal nature and live in peace. Oh, you hired a native guide, which is quite awesome, which is bunk, and that is actually just a quote from the artists, not my guide. But my guide said, yes, that's pretty much he not so eloquently said those words. So you think that you think that the artist's words in describing as as painting as your bunk or do you think that is his thoughts talking about humanity coming

together heal nature and live in peace. Do you think that's I think his description of what the murals are meant to be about his bunk. Yeah, so you're gonna wait till the end on this, thank you. Yeah. In fairness, there are there two murals which are each two panels each, and parts of the overall aret are often left out. The rational wiki on the murals in fact, says that the second mural murals, the second half of the murals, which are the quote oft left out ones, are quote

much happier, which no, they're not. They're not really, I mean they're a little happier, but they're all still They're just so weird, all of them, And I guess I'll just describe them a little bit. You can find pictures of these online really really easily. One is called In Peace and Harmony with Nature, and the second one is called The Children of the World Dream of World Peace.

The one titled in Peace and Harmony with Nature shows sad children over the instruction of the environment and extinction of life. A huge fire burns behind them, animals are dead and in glass cases, and oh yeah, there's three dead women in coffins at the bottom of the mural. I think one of them is even like a little girl. The pairing of this, the second pain, I guess of it, is a bunch of kids in traditional outfit outfits, crowded joyfully around some kind of rainbow plant thing, with animals

and healthy landscapes behind them. The Children of the World Dream of World Peace Redundant is the one that lots of people kind of point to. It's the one that's pretty awful. And the first panel is a soldier and a gas mask. He's often described as a Nazi soldier. There's no actual because you can literally just he's got a gun in one hand and a sword in the other. He's slicing a dove open, and it looks like there's

a concentration camp kind of in the background. The artist often points out that there are sleeping children in the rubble, so it makes it okay, but they actually kind of just looked dead, not sleeping. Yeah. I've never figured out how that was supposed to be sleeping. Yeah. The second half, or a second pain of this one is kids from countries around the world, and pairing is traditionally signifying tensions.

That is, an American kid and a Russian kid or a Palestinian kid and any really kid carrying weapons wrapped in their respective flags, to be broken in half by a blonde super aaryan looking kid over the crippled body of the soldier from the previous pain looks to me like he's dead. Yeah. I think he's a statue that's been not because the feet looked like they're broken and locked in one place and the body is down and

another I think it was a statue kind Yeah. So I think that the quote unquote happier versions of these are still really really weird, still have a lot of really weird symbolism in them. And I guess really the big question is, though I I kind of appreciate the artistry and I think that I kind of understand what artist is trying to do. I just think the Denver Airport is a real weird place for them and for somebody to be just to make that strong of a statement.

This is actually easy explained by three words publicly funded art. Yeah, I can actually explain it in one word, procrastination. I'm pretty sure those look like their oil paintings to me, and I'm pretty sure that's the artist in question. They again, they said here's by reasoning, and YadA, YadA, YadA, and they did a great sales job and everybody said, yes, we'll put those up. But I'm really pretty sure that they got pitched one idea and they could never make

it happen. But they just happened to have a bunch of canvases sitting around and either they had already done those artworks that were just completely hair brained, or oh crap, I'm just gonna start. I'm just gonna start painting something and sees what up and say it comes out super stuper dark, and I don't have time to fix this. This is for children in world peace. I really, I've read the artist description. Don't buy any now, not really, but I think actually, I think really the culprit here

is the baggage system. There was there was only like about fifty bucks left over in the budget for our art, and so yeah, they had to get some graffiti artists off the street and say it's got to look like you're not quite like graffiti, can you do something? And you know that's so that's what they got. But that's not the only bit of weird, aren't there? Oh? I see Steve's notebook out. Yes, as always do you guys remember in anybody who's been through the baggage claim area

will know this. The gargoyles. Yeah, the weirdest thing. I was about to use a different words, the weirdest thing ever, especially to get off a flight at like hey midnight, after having been moving all day and walking to baggage claim and having that be the very first thing you

really see of Denver Airport. For anybody who hasn't been to Denver Airport, there are two gargoyles in the baggage claim area and it is kind of the old school sam snide luggage and then a gargoyle is sticking out of it in their goofy weird creepy looking because they're gargoyles, but people also all kinds of things are attributed to why those gargoyles are there. I did a little research. Awesome,

I can tell you. Also, I guess to add to it their uplet anybody who knows anything about lighting, it's really creepy, you know. They really they really should have made them animatronics. So they late at night and the lights are a little dim and there's not a lot of people. Suddenly hear this noise and you look up and that thing it's starting to like it's like all they had to do is put weird moving red eyes. Well,

well they blew the eye budget on the horse. Yeah. Yeah, But imagine if you're down there and like you're just sort of there's only a few people there. To start, some move his wings a little bit and its head swivels around and it looks it turns its beady red eyes on you. What would you do? I would run, Yeah, I would run fast. I would figure was it animatronic and be eaten a line by the real gargoyle. Yeah,

all the way back to your thing. Well, no, so, gargoyles, anybody who's looked at architectural history have been around forever, and gargoyles were initially they're they're a symbol of protection for buildings and people. So I put on the outside. Don't they have to be on the outside. No, No, they're on the outside because gargoyles were on the outside because they were used as a a drainage system for

the roofs. Yeah, they were a dector voice. So you've got all the drainage coming off the roof and it hits a pipe and it shoots way out over the building. And the name gargoyle comes from the sound that water makes when it runs through that mouth opening pipe. Of it's kind of sounds like it. But gargoyles are a symbol of protection. There's nothing nefarious or disturbing. I mean, if you ever watched the well I know Joe didn't, but you might have watched that cartoon gargoyles back in

the late nineties early two thousand's. Do you remember that. Okay, See, they were protectors, they were good gargoyles. Well, they're just like puzzoozuate, gargoyle. I put you through college, and this is how you repaying me. Butoyles are a thing of protection, so that I think that's where that came from. I think that actually they put them in the baggage claim area so that that would sort of intimidate people and

people wouldn't try to steal other people's baggage. There's another thing that I that was in the baggage claim just as the side note that I've never seen anywhere else. I'm sure it exists other places, but they're oversized baggage claim. I don't know if you guys noticed this when you went through Denver. They're really just like big vertical stalls that go around on a conveyor belt in a horizontal manner.

So it's like you could literally like step in one of those and they're actually perfectly human sized and it just goes around. And my first thought was really, just like it kind of looks like a human vending machine, like it did? I mean it just they were perfectly human sized. It was very odd you didn't did not She did not want to be any human vending machine. I don't blame you, but I guess speaking of art. There's some it's kind of art. This next thing, we're

going to talk about the markings on the ground. Yes, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. What is AU A G mean? This is golden silver? No A AU and then a G right two separate right, Golden silver too, minerals traditionally found in Colorado. Source of the state's history. AU stands for golden A G stands

for silver. Right. What if I told you that it also stands for Australia antigen a U A G, which is a webinized strain of heptitis B. Also also that it's engraved or inlaid in the floor at the Denver Airport. So I'm saying that, like it's like a Hepatitis B center, weaponized hepatitis B. Yeah. Did you guys also know that the person who discovered this weaponized h hepatitis B he funded, He was the sponsor of the Denver Airport. Did you know that? Do you know that, Steve? Did you know that?

I'm okay, well that's not true, none of that's true. But you know we got everywhere, well except for the golden silver, but that stuff is true. Yeah, Well, the good news is the actual marker for the strain of hepatitis B is actually HBS A G, not a U A G. And I think Steve did some research on this, but it's an antigen which I had always understood and Steve corroborated, is actually what your body produces to fight the thing. Yeah, I'm not totally Yeah, actually a lot

more benevolent than these people make it sound. Yeah. Oh oh hey. Also the man in question who discovered the strain of hepatitis B. Oh, he happens to be Nobel Laureate Baruk Samuel Bloomberg, who has literally no link whatsoever to Denver airports. So so you'd like to he'd like you to think he was also not wildly rich. He certainly wasn't wildly rich enough to sponsor an entire airport to himself. I usually lead that stuff to the city in question, and maybe the airlines. Yeah. Yeah. So Also

that brick with a U A G on it. Guess guess what's right over it? They're surrounding it. Yeah, it's no, it's a it's a mining cart right over it. And then it's it's you know, capital a lowercase you. And then lots of spaces and then a capital a capital lowercase G. And there's lots of other bricks all around it. Mostly tiles, I guess, yeah, tiles its floor, right, big, Yeah, they're big stones. Yeah, so they are tiles. You're right,

that's probably a better word for them. But most of them are Native American symbols or words or things like that. You will see other places people talking about the alien writing that's written the floor. Those are literally all Indian words there. They just are Native American words. Um, okay. But then people, but then the question arises, but why why is this one right in front of the mural with the death Nazi on it? Well, it's not it's

not even close. It's not even like adjacent. They're saying, this is in front of the mural that's got the guy with the sword. Okay, they've clearly never been there. I think that they need to call in that guy from you know, the damn Brown Book, Da Vinci Code. Yeah, I'm sure he can figure this out in a heartbeat. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Been taking like twelve hours, he'd have a crazy chase through the tunnels and yeah, yeah, okay, what else? What? What? What other fun do we have here.

Next thing is we're gonna talk about the dedication marker next, also often referred to as the capstone. You know, that thing just looks to me like something to trip over. Yeah, it's pretty big. It's I guess, to be fair, it's a hard thing to ignore. It's what lights people's hair on. Fine, it sure does. And I think first, yeah, it's kind of like a sundial a little bit. The cap stone, it's a caps on and then it has a big kind of rod sticking out of it a little bit.

It's not a circle. The capstone is well like a keystone. It's like, um, it actually looks like the big heavy thing on top of a tomb, the big heavy stone on top of a two. Yeah. It just makes you think like a big headstone. Yeah. Well so it's it not only informs the public of the details of the projects kind of, but also it marks the spot of a time capsule that's meant to be opened in UM two thousand and The contents of the capsule include lots of things, you know, the kind of things you would

put in a time capsule. Photos of notable places in Denver around the nine nineties, memorabilia from the old Denver Airport, Colorado Flags newspapers a credit card for some reason, because those were awesome. Yeah, I suppose you're going to be gone by the time. It's just one credit card. I don't know why. I don't know that's card has not been reported lost or stolen yet yet. It also includes some programs from all of the New World Airport Commission's events.

This is just one exciting time. I can't wait to open this one up. Yeah. Well, actually, you may be wondering you at home. There may have been some words in there that kind of piqued your interest, like the New World Airport Commission. I thought you were talking about credit card, but you may be wondering what that is then. To be honest, um me too. I couldn't find anything that wasn't outright conspiracy theories on the organization online, and I know Steve is giving me the look, which means

he found some stuff, which is fine. You know, when you google New World Airport Commission, it either comes up with Denver Airport or oh my god, these people are going to take over the population to two million. Yeah, it's not the New World Order, but just close to the New World Order. Airport. So this capstone also has names of the mayor, governor, and Secretary of Transportation at the time on it. The notice of the time capsule

then also the massonic Freemason symbol. Also engraved on it are quote the most Worshipful Prince Hall, Grand Lodge F and a M of Colorado and jurisdiction, and then quote the most Worshipful Grand Lodge of a D and a M of Colorado. It also then below says that the airport was funded by the New World Airport or yeah, the New World Airport Commission. And again it doesn't. It's it's not an official thing, and that lights a lot of people on fire. Is is the term I guess

we're using right now. But listed under it are contributors which are an architecture firm, a metal company and Aaron Aeronautics company. And even if before I let Steve because he's like trauma at the bit right now, before I let him go out, even if these are just three innocent sponsors who formed a commission called the New World Airport Commission, come on, guys, like pick a pick a better name, like pick a less suspicious name, though terrible, like why would you why would that be the thing

that you pick. But the thing is is like that the whole new World Order thing hadn't really blossomed that much. I mean it was like this was like the New World Order didn't come into being until the speech was given by George W. George H. W. Bush, the first Bush. And what I think that the very early nineties, after the fall of the Soviet Union, we were we were looking at a whole different world order because of Soviets were gone. And when did the airport open? It opened

in this is after that speech. But if but the construction on the airport began before that speech, right, But they weren't. It wasn't like a registered LLC or anything. That was just it was a bunch of business guys who got together and said, we're going to help sponsor this. This is the new for the area World airport exactly. It's not a new world it's new world airport because

it's an international airport exactly. And the thing about it is is like, uh, he gives his speech and he talks about, well, you know, it's a new world order because Gully, it's not a bipolar world and and all that stuff. The Cold War is over, And of course the conspiracy in that case is in the paranoids go nuts with this and start running with it. But do you really expect a bunch of middle aged businessmen to be up on that stuff and to be paying attention

of that stuff. No, No, that's true. It just seems like maybe saying like new International Airport or the new Denver International Airport Mission, something way more description descriptive instead

of I got this cool, Yeah, the new World Airport Commissions. Yes, I mean it makes sense if you if you look at it without running it together and adding you know, all these other things to the name the new World Airport, it makes sense makes sense locally kind of How would have just called it the new Friggan Airport or International or about time we got a new airport commission? Yeah, their old airports. It was not great. No, it was

really bad. You know a lot of people claim that it wasn't nearly that bad at all, and so that's part of that fed in the conspiracy theories they replaced it was. It was really really it was. I just want to go ahead and go on record and say it was a noise complaints in the bad snowstorms I don't remember how many airports runways it had, but they could operate about what they were supposed to run. And of course Denver's you know, usually has bad, bad weather

in the winter time. It's high up, it's snowy. Yet well they so actually so this was a fun fact. They layout of the runways was such that they were too close together, so an implement whether they couldn't they could only use one of those two. But then also the runways intersected each other at multiple points, so you couldn't have a airplane taking off and landing at the same time. It was basically just like a cross, like a half Yeah. And then they just couldn't use like

most of them because the weather was bad. No, yeah, that kind of continue to use it. They just wouldn't have been a major hub as they are now. Yeah, well especially in the wintertime. But the thing that I found that I was really I got really excited about at first is so we've got the Masons are sponsoring part of this, and they're on that that dedication, and we've talked about the New World Order and how it's

trying to reduce the population to two billion. I think, Yeah, I managed to somehow, I believe figure out where that name number came from. I like that this is where we're taking this on. This is in the middle of an episode about the Denver Airport. We're gonna myth bust the two billion frosted. Yeah, So I I gotta thank the guys at Stuff. You should know because they did an episode on population control and that's where I suddenly made the links. Though they never actually laid it out.

I figured it out. So there's a guy by the name of Thomas Robert Malthus and he uh, he wrote of what he called the Malthusian catastrophe, which was overpopulation would lead to famine and death. And this is back in the eighteen hundreds he writes this. I think it was the late eighteen hundreds is when he he did his research for population control. You jump forward to and I know Joe is looking at because he knows what's coming.

It's Paul Airlick rights the population bomb, which is everybody calls an alarmous piece of work because he the first thing he starts out with saying is that we're all gonna die, essentially saying that the world can't sustain us. And two billion is the max number, and we need to control bursts and we need to change all this stuff. But somehow, I mean today most people look at his work and say he's wrong. His math was wrong. He

and mouths we're wrong. But somehow that two billion got pulled in with the New World Order, and that number always gets drug along when you're talking about the New World Order stuff. It's all this human carrying capacity. That's where it comes from. Yeah, it's funny think about air like is that he may had a lot of predictions, not just about overpopulation. I don't know every single one of them was wrong. Um one. He was the John Teeter of Yeah. I mean, so his not not busy,

and it's still very popular. I mean there's still people today protecting all sorts of dire out comes, at least in the days of mouthuse is you know, the original days, And I mean famine was not that uncommon back in his day, So he can be forgiven, I suppose. But some of the people that are still jumping on board some of the bandwagons. So the things like oh my god, peak oil, now we're not running short anytime soon, things like that, there's plenty of food and population and the

two billion number. I the thing that the reason I have a problem with the two billion number and relating it to the New World Order is the New World Order? Are these people who are behind it? They are They're part of our elite. They're part of this probably extremely rich capital to lead get well, reducing the population to two billion people really doesn't make them any money, I

don't think. And that's why the paranoia over you know, this mass reduction in population is ludicrous because hey, you know, we're really going to like cause our economies to shrink and cus us all to cause us all to get poorer.

Are we really going to do this? Well? I think that people look at it is is if that top echelon of people, these these rich guys that are at the top and in control, they if they if the New World Order goes into effect, and we I don't know how this happens, but suddenly the population is cut to two billion. Now their royalty, so now they get to make that royalty lineage. So it's not making money

in a capitalist sense. They're just they're top dogs and they're they're gonna sit on the pile of cash and all their descendants are gonna sit there and we're way off topic here, but but that's what I found and I had to bring it up. Is that's where this whole new World Order billion people thing comes from. As best I can tell, this is the first time I've ever been able to put two and two together on this. Yeah, I've it's nobody really knows what the magic number is.

I mean, I think the Earth could support like tens of billions more people, whether we should or not. You know, well, you know why two billion is suspicious, right, because that's exactly how over budget they went on this project. Oh my god, So that explains everything. That explains I mean they were they were like they were like looking at this and thinking, oh my god, you know that we're not gonna go over budget at all. What can we do?

I have an automated luggage system, and let's do something else. But you're going to talk about that later. We're gonna get some weird paintings, there was somebody. Yeah, the weird paint I told you. I already proved they only paid fifty bucks for those paintings. Next up is the layout of the runways, and all I have to say about that is calm down, you guys, it really doesn't look that much like a swastica. Just calm down. Next, draw lines on the airport and then remove the photo of

the airport and the runways don't look like a swastica. Yeah, no, calm down. Next up underground bunkers and tunnels. Okay, So now we're venturing into territory that I didn't get to see with my own two eyes because people are the worst in my security clearance wasn't approved in time. Yeah, probably know. You probably walked right past a bunch of secret Yeah. I probably did. Um, And since I didn't get to see it with my own two eyes, were just going to not even talk about this part. Cool? Great,

really just kidding there. So there's a tram system that, as far as I can tell, takes not as far as I can tell, it takes you from one concourse to another, and I didn't I couldn't tell if there was a way to walk between concourses. There should be, but I don't think there there has There should be, ye, if if the if the trains go down, you have to have a way for people to walk out, Yeah, out of the train system, sure, but walk in between concourses.

I don't know that was It's fine, it doesn't really matter. I didn't want to pour too much stuff into that. Now. Well, I'm just thinking is that I've been in airports, like I was in Atlanta a couple of months back, and I know that you can get on the train and it zips you from concourse to concourse in no time flat. But unfortunately, about ten years prior, I had said, well, I'm used to the Portland International Airport, they can't be that far. I decided to walk from one to the

other and it took me twenty five minutes. Well, like in l A, you literally can't you have to get on a bus or the tram right there. You can't because it goes it's there on the other side of the tarmac. Ah. So I don't know if it was like that. I didn't get a good sense of that. It's not really that important. The only thing that really stood out to me on the trams well, actually that's

not true. My guide was telling me about how in the tunnels on one side of the tunnels there's these like silver pin wheel things, lots of them, and uh, he said to me, well, what are they trying to distract you from huh, So I turned when we when we saw them, I like turned to the other side. It's just wall, it's just concrete. There's nothing there, you know. The only thing that I did notice are these what do these pin wheel things look like? Exactly? They just

look like little silver pin wheels. They're just interesting, you know, because the way they set in the wall or what. Yeah, they're like a little off the wall. They're basically the train goes by, the wind makes some spin or something. You see there. So, yeah, did you notice at any point we're watching the trash, did you notice like like tracks branching off and just going into a blank wall a wall. But I will say that it did seem

like the tram system. You know, there are moments in a subway system, right that it opens up a little bit, and there's all these interchanges, and it seemed a little more complex than necessary for what I deemed to be

just a back and forth tram system. But I'm sure there are a lot of reasonable explanations for that, other than we're transporting this car of Illuminati members often to the distance so it can go to their under Chances are good that the trams system station where they do all their maintenance runs off the same line and they have to have multiple junctions. We have a trained system here in Portland that I ride every day, and there

are all kinds of junctions on that thing. The very thing is it's above ground and I can see where they go into a big building where they work on them. Were something's going on. You don't know what that? Yeah, yeah, wait, thanks for shooting that. Apart of I totally had that solve on saying that I've actually been in the strange a lot they probably don't work on. Probably that's a good point to the underground. Also, there's that fascinating defunct

automated baggage system that I mentioned earlier. Well, theorists suggest I'm just using the term theorists. I'm not going to preface that one with anything, but we can all fill in the blank there suggest that there's something more nefarious going on down there, mostly because the system cost a bunch of money and never really worked. Oh it's not like we've never done that before. Yeah no, really, it looks like it was a cool concept, but I'm not

totally sure why it never really worked. There's a lot of stuff flying around the internet about why. Tons of mechanical issues, yeah, design, you know, some people say that it was too complex. Others say that it was a failed concept from the start. Still others say it's covering up something sinister, like an underground base for any thing ranging from the American government to the Illuminati to yep, aliens. Did you just say the Illuminati? I did. Are you

sure to bring those guys up? I think we're gonna be okay. Can we get back to the automated bagging system? Yeah? Yeah, you have more things to say, No, No, I just I just have a very simple personal observation, which is, if anybody were to build that baggage system today, it would work. You know why, because we actually have decent computers that have good laser scanners for reading and barcodes and all that. Robotics are a lot better than they

were back. I don't know how that thing figured out what went where, but I'm guessing that that was part of the problem. Is it was probably a barely advanced pass prototype stage thing, and that's why it never made well. I mean, but they couldn't afford to pull it all out of the Honestly, though, I don't think that it. I don't think that the computer system would have been really the big problem. Yes, it's what twenty some odd years ago at this point, You're welcome. Everyone was like

more than twenty years ago. But there's people that next year we'll get to drink. Yeah, okay, but scanners still existed, computers were. Okay, it's not as though this is a highly complex task that we were asking computers and machines to do. It's fairly rudimentary. It should have been possible. It truly should have been possible, but for whatever reason, but it wasn't. Yeah, I'm gonna I was about to launch into host of well, it's got to be this and that and this and that and this and all

these details. But my answer is, it's simple as embedding our FID tags in those silly little baggage tags that you get. Now, that solves the entire problem absolutely, But just the I mean the simple idea of putting a scanner. They all have those barcodes on them anyways, that's how they do it right now. Anyways, it just takes the human element out of it to pick up the tag. Should have been possible, but for whatever reason, it wasn't I say. Yeah, I mean we've actually humanity is designed

far more complex systems. I mean, look at the moon landings for press sex. So it's possible. Yeah, yeah, I mean, as we said, and as I said earlier. Okay, yeah, so they built all these tunnels. The tunnels can't be used for anything else because they couldn't afford to pull all the stuff out. They were crammed with all these parts that were thousands of dollars. And you're not you've abandoned the idea. You're not going to spend it thousands of dollars a day for dudes to go in there

with wrenches and pull it all out. Yeah. I mean, and then they might actually be thinking, um, at some point, we can rehabilitate this whole thing. With a little some advances in technology, we can actually make it work possible. Yeah. There's also several very unsubstantiated claims that we might have substantiated that when d I A was first being built, five buildings were built somehow wrong and just buried. Yeah.

I like that. It's like you guys, guys screw bury these buildings, just bury them instead of tearing them down, they just buried them and then built the current airport on top of it. Just how deep of the hole you'd have to dig to or how much ground you'd have to stack on top toy a single story building, I don't think. Well, these were not single story buildings,

or they weren't single stories. But but that's my point. Yeah, I mean right, but on top of that, parts of the current d i A. Are underground, so you'd have to bury it deep enough and all, well, nobody saw it. Yeah, I don't. What do you get all the dirt for that? Because I mean if you just bury the buildings, and what you've got is you've got this big old hill right there in the middle of it, right next to your airport, right right, which I can't see in any

pictures or aerials or anything. No, although there is that suspicious landfill not so far away, they could have just covered it with trash. Did you did you find anything? I'm just being a jerk. I looked. I'd look for information on the landfill and I couldn't find it. On areals everybody screens about the landfill, and I couldn't find it. And I was there, like I didn't notice like giant landfill.

Although like, I don't fifty three square miles. It could be pretty far out there, I guess, But I wrote, I mean I was around Denver in the airport for a while, so doing research obviously. So apparently the claims come from a quote unquote construction company whistleblower. Which this is one of those things that I think. It's one of those ones that I think people make up something that's just so preposterous that you know, how could anybody possibly believe it? They just put it on the internet

and see who goes with it. I well have I just don't understand how that is possible to raise the grade so much that you can bury a single or multi story building. Yeah, well, I guess. I don't want to be a downer. But there is a news channel that's based in Denver that makes a habit of debunking d I A myths, and this is one of the myths that they took on. So they were granted the access that I was denied because bureaucracy, man, damn man. They got to take their cameras down under to see

what's really going on. And long story short, and nothing nothing. Wait, were the baggage tunnels or the tunnels, the buried buildings. There were no buried buildings, but they were in all the tunnels under there, and it it's pretty boring. It's eerie, for sure, but there's not really anything going on down there. The question, you've got to expect that the Illuminati and the New World orderlies and all those people um are probably their order and the New World orderlies. Yes, obviously

you gotta expect. These people are very adept at creating things like false walls. And then I guess, in fairness, right, they would be a good tactic to say, oh, yeah, you can come down, there's nothing down here. Oh what the that door, Oh that's the emergency exit. It'll sound an alarm. Don't go through there, don't do it. Yeah, yeah, like just written in sharpie on it, do not enter on like a piece of printer paper, taps to the wall. Yeah.

I would, Yeah, it would be It would be really funny if you actually, if you work for the airport, you know, before you can take them down of the tunnels, you take you take some sort of a fine tool to to cut what looks like the outline of a door on the side of you know, and all that, and then what you do is you have like, you know, what appears to be a nameplate or something like that. You make a little shadow that and then you have

that pride off you know, and everything like that. You just see if they notice it, and if they do, it's just oh, oh that's nothing. That's Scooby Doo. I never watch Scooby Doo. That explains so many I know. So yeah, that's that's pretty much it. Yeah, this is this is one of those stories that just it's it's so hard because there's so many things and I'm using air quotes. Yeah, there's things that are mingled together. It leaves a funny taste to my mouth. I don't know

how to how to approach this one around. Yeah, I don't think there's very much to say about it. You know, I got to like say it to you that people be more discriminating in your mystery. You know, this is just not a great I mean, there's so much ink spilled over this of this mystery or mysteries I guess, and there's so many better mysteries of spilling over. Dude,

stop wasting your time valuable ones in Zeros. I think you know the thing, like I said earlier, The thing is to me is that I I do think that if each of these I don't know mysteries were all separated out into different places, I'd be much more willing to say, like, that's nothing when you're talking about But the fact that they're all there, you know, one half of my brain wants to say, well, yeah, I mean

it's a little weird. On the other hand, I want to say, it's not that weird, but the well, the grouping of circumstances that happened to be odd together, I admit it's weird. But the problem is then spawns so many other little urban myths around it. And there's a myth if I can't remember it was, was it the queen or the president? The queen in England was in Denver at Land all around it? Yeah, well go figure. They their money is tied up in real estate. It's

an airport. What typically goes up around airports businesses? Yeah, service the airport or used the airport, like it totally makes sense that they'd be buying that. But oh no, that's so that they can rush the queen there and in case of a nuclear event and stuffer in a tunnel. Yeah, that was the thing about the the asteroid to another comment, I mean, um, and I was I was going to actually make notes about this, but I figured he would

include a new script and so I didn't bother. But the comment was we'll call it comment yeah coming a yeah yeah a U g uh. It was due to come to within twenty two miles of the Earth's surface, according to one of the pages that was out there, on the date of December I think something like that. And coincidentally, President Obama was in the Denver airport that same day because just in case there was an impact. You know, it's like he's there's there's massive shelters right there.

That's another another thing is that the underground buildings and everything. Someone them say, that's just that there's this massive bomb shelter down there for all the elites and everything. Of course, the comment actually didn't come any It passed year like months before that, and it didn't come twenty two miles of our surface because we all would have heard about that.

It was twenty two million miles. So there was one thing where there was some uh gosh, there were coordinates that were released in conjunction with some huge conspiracy something and everybody was saying, well, the coordinates are exactly where the Denver Airport was, but the coordinates were released like seventy years prior and they actually are like fifty five

miles away from the airport. You know, it's just if there's a somebody, I think it was the pr person for the Denver Airport is quoted as saying, if there's a conspiracy theory, it's linked to the Denver Airport, and I think that's true. I would not actually be surprised if that person or maybe a person is working for the Denver Airport are putting this stuff out. It's got

to be fun as hell. Yeah. Probably you're you're gonna work at this great new airport and then you have to wait a year and a half for your job and you're angry at it. So you know, I'm just gonna come up, oh, well, I know this was weird. I'm just gonna put that out there. Just keep going. It's not costing any business. The rest of us still

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