Thinking Sideways: Coral Castle

went about that, the whole hard hitting thing. Yeah, it's just it's just a cliche. You don't really want to like delve into the brain of Joe, do you know? Not really? No? No, Well, let's let's talk about today's Okay, we'll take the hard hitting part off of there. We're going to talk about a place called Coral Castle, which some people may have heard of. It's an awesome alliteration. What's that, the Coral Castle? The coral Castle, even though

it's actually made of limestone, no spoilers. Uh. Well, the thing about Coral Castle is we know who made it, and we know when it was made, but we don't quite know how it was made, which is kind of where all of the questions come from, But we should probably start with who made it, because we do know that with an unpronounceable name, I actually I can pronounce it because the video on YouTube his name is Edward leads Scalon, scaldon Ye Gallion. It sounds like a pirate

name kind of when you say it that way. I'm just gonna call him ed or Edward from now on because it's much easier. Ed was born in years before me. Yes, in Latvia is not exactly, it's just one of the Baltic states. It's it's so it's really close to the Baltic anomaly. That's right. Oh No, Edward Edward left his native country of Latvia. He had a pretty bad reason

for leaving. He was engaged, and he was engaged to a girl who, according to legends, they always say her name is Agnes Scoffs or Agnes vast Yeah, Scoffs is There's a lot of contention around that, right, because it's not even a Latvian It's not even a properly format and Latvian word. It's phonetically written, is what I can I gather from reading her actual name. That was my take on it too, But you'll see that around the Internet, people saying, no, it's not even legit. Yeah, I think

Scoffs is not. It was maybe better. But but here's here's the even better part about her name is, according to some of the research that I found, that's not her name. Joe, you're gonna have to help me with how to pronounce this. Is this her money, Louis, do you know how to say that? With the no? I don't know what that little means in Latin. It's not even it's a it's a double dot. I don't know

what it is, but it's the thing is Agnes. He was He was engaged to Agnes, regardless of how you say your name, and he called her his sweet sixteen because she was sixteen and he was ten years older than her, because in that day and age, an older man always married the younger girl. So he he was six and he reportedly what had happened is the day before their wedding she called it off. He was heartbroke, and he left and he moved to the continental United States.

So he worked. I've seen record that he worked in Canada and that he worked in Texas and a couple of different places. Emmanual labor Yeah, he was. He was actually a logger in Canada, which may explained how he got some extratise in moving a heavy objects. Yeah, he was. He was did a lot of stuff back in those days. There was still a lot of old growth around, so those trees were before out of it. Actually exactly when we were logging it all out. Yeah, pretty much was.

She called the wedding off. It was, and he moved to the US and was working for about six years until nineteen nineteen when he got a little bit of tuberculosis, just a small case, just a smidge of tuberculosis. Yeah, even a smidge is not such a good thing. It's grandfather got that they were actually going to um they were going to quarantine him. They were gonna like lock

him up in a in a tuberculosis hospital. So he lived in Los Angeles at the time, and my grandmother did so basically, uh, they bought a small house out east in the desert of Los Angeles and this little town called Hesperia, and they and he had to promise to just stay in the house and not go out. I remember you talking about basically and her self house arrest. But he figured it was better than being stuck in

an asylum. Yeah, that's true. It's still quarantine. Don't they still quarantine people with Yeah, because it's very it's easy to contract Ed moved to Florida because the doctors told him that the weather there would be better for his condition. So short of they didn't even threaten to quarantine, and they were just like, hey, moved to this place. Yeah. Interesting, you could go to somewhere where we're not don't talk to anybody, and smoke a lot of cigarette. You know

that actually used to treat tuberculosis. What Yeah, Yeah, that's what we've talked about. That one and the most the most the most favored one was the cool refreshing taste of Lucky strikes on filters y. Yeah. Well Ed says that he cured his tuberculosis through the aid of magnets. So he didn't evidently have that bat of a case of tuberculosis, but he did have it. But we're going to start hearing about magnets more and more as we talked about him. But he said he cured himself using magnetism.

I had to say if he really did that and he didn't share share that technique with the rest of the world, and it's rather selfish of him, you know. I feel like he tried to share it. As we get further, we'll learn more about him. He tried to share some of his information and people were like, wow, you're crazy people. He did some pamphlets and he did well. When when Edward got to Florida, he bought a piece of property in Florida City, which is on a very

very southern tip of Florida. It's really far south. It's like south of Miami, and Miami's pretty dang south is to the south. I believe, if I remember right at the time that he bought it, it was the southernmost city in the continental US that he moved. It was one of the last cities before you got to the Keys. And I don't know if that's still the case, but

that was the case at the time that I read. Yeah, I don't know, but he he went down there, he bought he bought a piece of ground, and then what he started to do was he started to build a monument to his ex fiance as a way to impress her. According to what he said is that he loved her still and that he was pining for her. Look at all these things I've done for you. I wonder if he was busy constructing a castle back in Latvia, and she just sort of took a look at that and said,

you know what, I think I'm breaking off. Maybe that was the reason it might be. But the thing is she she never saw as we're as we're gonna talk about. He worked on this for thirty years and she never came and saw what he built in her honor. So what what what ed did is he began to build monolithic structures. He would carve out stones, these giant ton or multiple ton weighed stones, and he would erect him

on his property. Well, at one point he decided that he didn't like Florida City, and according to the legends, it's because they were planning a subdivision near him and he was weirded out by having other people near him. So instead he decided he moved to Homestead, Florida, which he's a very private and homesteads about ten miles away. He bought a chunk of ground there and over the course of three years, every huge piece of stone that he'd put in place, he moved to this new location,

which is a lot of work. Like nobody, nobody saw him working on his stuff. Nobody saw him loading the trail either, because what he was doing was putting it onto a trailer and then having a friend hauled by tractor the ten miles down the road to his new place. Obviously, moving all that stuff a lot of work. Did I mention his bill little? No, I haven't. Ed was five foot tall and wait about a hundred pounds. Yeah, he was smaller than I am. He was smaller than you are.

He was an itty bitty guy, and he was building these giant stone structures. And then at one point he moves him all to this new place, and very fortunately for him, he didn't like lose control of any of these monoliths and had them squash him. No, he never did get squashed that we know of. That's not how he died. Even No, it's not how he died. He would have died if one of these things had fallen on Yeah. Oh yeah. He love some big rocks, he

really did. And I think we we mentioned this just just briefly, is that no one ever saw Edward working on any of these monoliths. Okay, that's not legend. No one saw him working on it. He was he would work on things at night, and according to the legends, if someone was watching him, even if he didn't see them, he would just stop working until they left, and then he would start working again, which is part of the air of mystery about how how did he know well,

you know ed worked. He owned his property, and he worked on it, and he worked on it until nine So, like I said, it's about thirty years he's been doing all this work, and he's been erecting all of these monoliths and doing all this carving, and by the way, conducting guided tours of the place for anybody that wanted to come by and ring the doorbell. That was pretty And this guy would come down from his little towers did ring the bell twice. Yeah, he had had a

residence in his castle tower. He built a castle tower for himself. Pay him a dime and he'd come down and give you a tour. And and he wrote he didn't have a formal education, but he believed that he had figured out a lot of science, and he didn't believe that modern science was right about a lot of things, including magnetism. He really was believed he'd figured out electricity

and magnetism. And he wrote all these pamphlets and handouts, and so he was selling those two people who would come and visit the site as well, Oh you want to die, Hi, come on in, you want one of these. It's I don't know, a penny or or whatever he was charging for him. People would buy him. So he was making a decent living on it. I would say he was making more than a Yeah, he he obviously didn't was not hurting for money. Good for him to. Is there to be rewarded for all that hard labor. Indeed,

and he was a tough old bird. He was sixty four when he died. Being a tough old guy. What did he do? He didn't feel good. One day, he got up, He put a sign on the door that said going to hospital. He walked to the bustop, he got on the bus, and he went to the doctor in Miami. In Miami, which is which was like a three two or three hour bus ride, several hours on a bus. We don't know when, but at some point, either before he left home, or while he was on the bus, or while he was at the hospital, he

had a stroke. Yeah. I thought it was on the bus. But yeah, and again, this is one of those things you can't I keep seeing different places? And somehow during all of this, when he was sick, he got a kidney infection, and the kidney infection is what killed him. But according to accounts, some say three days, some say it took up to twenty eight days for him to die. But the guy, Yeah, but didn't they have antibiotics in

those days. I don't know if they didn't diagnose it ride or what the deal was, but that's what killed him, was the infection of the kidney. Maybe it did irreversible damage before they caught it. And it's again one of those things that records are not really easy to get to, so I don't know exactly what it was. But we've talked about Yeah, yeah, so Ed died. We should probably no talk about Coral Castle, the actual site. Yeah you

guys want to go there? Yeah? Okay, well why don't we whyn't We have the time machine and we'll go back to and check this place out, all right, the way back machine. Okay, Actually, let's go back a little further. Let's go back to like right when he started it. You don't want to wait, you want to go back, but I do want to. Can we stop for snacks. Uh, well, yeah, we can stop for snacks, but only if you promised

not to drop any food this time. Yeah. I found a mommified French fry the other day that I know. It was from our trip to ancient England. You remember that the two princes in the tower. So you found a chip? Hey, who got the cheese? Sorry? Why did we not building windows? And this thing? I need to crack one. Okay, here we are, we're at We're in or yea castle in the forties. Yeah, okay, so first black and white. The first thing to look around. I mean you're gonna see this place is not that big.

It's about two hundred yards by two hundred yards, so it's it's not a big estate or a big chunk of ground that we've that we're standing on two yards compared to something yeahs is twice at length the football field. We know that doesn't work for it, actually time does it? Okay, So it's not a big place, but you're canna see there's there's all these giant stones that are erected. I mean we're seeing here that we've got. It's all limestone, by the way, which is kind of crazy, and it's

made of the limestone. It's it's what they call light. I believe it's how you pronounce it is like a creamy buttery spread that you put on your rolls. No, not this time, is that as I think it's it's two. Oh, so I'm gonna say, oh light, light is made out of fossilized shell and coral, right right, So I think that's why it's called coral. Right now, it's it's it's like it's limestone that has some fossilized shells and corals mostly,

but it's mostly actually okay, so it's basically limestone. Yeah, thanks for crushing my dreams. But no, I mean as as we're looking around, like I said, these things are really big, and you know, we're looking at these stones. The walls, they're about three foot thick, they're eight foot high and each sections about seven foot across. So these are big slabs of stones. Ed was quarrying right here on the site. And there's no seams. I mean, there's

you can't see the right seems. Yeah, everything bordering or anything like that. It's it's very tight. We've got over here, we've got some rocking chairs, giant stone rocking chairs, which actually rock. I want to sit in one of those, can't I let it? Awesome, don't break it. What's crazy about these rocking chairs is they are so well done that they actually rock, so their center of gravity works.

It's not like a big, heavy thing that just sits, which is pretty amazing when you think one guy carved this all by hand. It was actually it appears that he was a pretty competent designer. He didn't I mean the door or the door for example. We'll get to that now. With the door, it was an amazing piece of work. Well, let's talk about the door. The door is about six and a half seven foot tall and it's just a rotating door. It rotates on its center axis. Now,

the really interesting thing is that. Okay, so he had to put this thing in place. The awesome thing is that, according to the legends, it was so well balanced that a child could open it with a push of a finger. Okay, well it was really well balanced. But nobody knew how he did it. It wasn't until about I think about twenty years or so ago. It was the eight right, the doors stopped working. Yeah, so they had to like fix it. They had to fix that. When they figured

out how he did it. They had to bring in a crane like several ton crane that you could pick up several tons at a time. And what they figured out is he had an axle with a giant truck bearing in the center of it, and that's how the whole thing rotated. Yeah, and then the bearing had rusted out over the years. When they fixed it, it didn't work as well. And then it broke again years later, and they fixed it again and it works even worse. Yeah,

it broke again not that long after. Considering that that it lasted so long after he put it in place, by the serious millions, Well it's you know, more proof that they just don't make them like they used to know they Yeah, so anyway, but yeah, and my hat's off to the guy. Yeah, he was kind of whacko, but well he did crazy things. I mean, he did these these giants, stone circles and globes that are supposed to be the planets. He's got phases of the moon with a moon pool with a star coat carved in

the middle all of the pool. Uh, there's tables and chairs that have shrubs growing in the middle of the table. It's it's all it's it's on a giant scale, but it's a little weird. There's some pretty freaking cool you know, it's actually aligned with the stars, right Abel, that's aligned with the north star over there. Yeah, that one. And you'll see there's a little wires going through the center.

There used to be wires going through the center of the whole, and that's how you could well, there are right now because we're in nineteen right, I forgot, Well, there's wires in the middle of it, and that's how you could tell you could catch the north Star to know that you were aligned correctly. Just really really crazy, because it is amazing. That's the door is still working. I'm gonna go see if I can actually push it up with one finger. It takes a little more than

one thing. There's a pretty heavy check rock. You're not a child. Maybe a child could do it. Yeah. Center, it's the center of gravity. You know, you're center at he's too high. That's why all right, Well, now, the great thing about the construction, by the way, I know we haven't said it yet, or we alluded to it a little bit, actually, is that Ed had built a tower, a tower for himself. It's only two stories high. But he built that on the property and he lived in

the second floor. Because we talked about ringing the bell twice to get him to come down. That's where he lived. And as Devon was saying earlier, everything is so well made that the seams don't allow light through. So he carved everything so smooth and aligned it so well that you just you don't get a breeze through it. Basically, I heard, by the way, a little digression here that I heard that his family back in Latvia were actually stonemasons.

I did hear that he actually worked as a mason himself. I I did see the accounting of that, so I think that's probably where he learned the trade. But he obviously he perfected it when he was in Florida, and it seems like he's it was just a bit of an obsessive, compulsive kind of guy. He might have been actually building my own castle. I don't think I would have to like you, I have every scene be perfect.

You know, I can't even build a snow castle and quit, so I I you've got to be just really focused. I think if you're building a place that you're living, you're going to be a little more. You know, I think you if you're if you're building a place that you're going to live in, especially like in the winter, even though it is Florida. I have been in Florida in the winter. It's not cold like we would say cold,

but you don't want to be sleeping outside. Um, so I think you would do all you could to try and make the seals. But for it to for that to continue out throughout the entire campus of the Coral Castle is interesting to me. You know. It's one thing

to say his room was really well sealed. Well, of course his room is really well sealed, because like, who wants scorpions and cons that you didn't, you know, whatever, But to say also the walls were perfectly sealed those that was a big wall, you know, So I think for me that's where that comes in A yeah, And also should be should be noted that this the construction is rock solid because even Hurricane Andrew, it was like it was like an almost direct hit of the hurricane

and nothing moving. Nothing. And again these are several tons of stones but obviously well laid, and he built it all. It's a it's a style of masonry r stone masonry it's called Cyclopean masonry, and that's where you don't actually use any mortars. So most of us know, you know, you have a brick house and it's got mortar between all the stones. This has no mortar, there's no nothing. It's literally just the weight of the stones so well

fitted together that it holds it all together. This is what some of the ancient walls that you see that are historical, we're built using that style. Starting to get into my ancient Aliens. And in Peru, the Incas had that same sort of thing. You don't see any of it and mortar at all, but they were perfectly square. Yep. It's well, there were some that were that weren't exactly square, but they still they fit together. So yeah. Well, here's one other odd thing um that about it is ed

didn't actually call this place Coral Castle. He called it Blackgate. It wasn't until after he died the property sold. Somebody in the family inherited it, and I think that I lived in Michigan, and he didn't want it, and so we sold it somebody else, who it sounds like, didn't even realize that this stuff was on the property when they bought it. And then they realized it could be a tourist attraction, and then they changed the name to

Coral Castle. It's actually on the Registry of Historic Places, but it's under the original name of Blackgate Park. I thought it was changed in two thousand eleven. The registry portion, uh, you know, it might have been. I had a heart. I was really trying to track where and why the name got changed. And again it was like really dicey to figure out why they did it and how they did it. But I know on their on the official website they say it's still listed as block now. They

might they might not have updated their stuff. They also say that he was engaged to Agnes Scott's, so maybe they're too worried about it. I haven't been is meticulous about like finding out about the history of this place as we've been. Yeah, exactly. I gotta say for somebody that that that was a nice little windfall for somebody to be able to like just sort of luck into that place, because I imagine you can make some money

opportunity attractions like this. Absolutely absolutely well. I think that's enough about ed and it's probably enough to start off with kind of getting an idea what Coral Castle looks like, giants several tons stone. Of course, pictures on the website we have at least and Google it. There's tons of images on Google. But if we're going to talk about there is, do we need to like squeeze back into the way back machine and go back to two thousand

and fourteen. Oh yeah, we're there. Okay, we're there. We're okay. Okay, that was easy. Oh so we weren't really in Florida in the n We were, but while you two were talking and you're eating your snacks, all right, we time machined there but transported back. Yeah, we're mixing, mixing, all right. So I mean we talked about the fact that Ed was a little guy. Yeah, and the stone that Coral Castle is built out of. They say that it is

eleven hundred tons of stone that he erected, that he carved. Well, that's that's a lot of rock for one little guy. Some of it, they said, was corried like right out the back of his property, right. I don't remember which property it was, it was the new second property. I wonder if that's why that must have played a factor and his reasoning to buy the new place a place where you Yeah, that must have been a big factor.

So I guess you know, that's a little bit of a side note to add to the understanding of this whole thing. And I think we talked a little bit about Ed was very secretive and he didn't tell people how he had how he built all this stuff. People don't always ask him. And this will this will go right into our first theory, which is that Ed discovered the secret of the Egyptians, the ancient Egyptian spy. That's what he said. Do you think maybe had a way

back machine too? Man? Did everybody have one of these? Not everybody? I swear that the guy that I bought this from said it was one of a kind. I also played. Yeah, yeah, he was kind of weird guy. Well Ed said that he had discovered the secrets of the Pyramids and that's all he would ever tell people when they would ask him how he was was doing it again, he wouldn't give out a lot of information. But the only thing he would say besides the secrets of the pards was that he understood the laws of

weight and leverage. Well, yeah, like write a pamphlet to that effect here, Yeah he did. But still didn't explain exactly how he used weight and leverage. Yeah, he kind of he kind of kept it under his hat, right, Yeah, because you know, if I discover a secret, I'm not going to tell anybody, but there's it for myself. But there does happen to be a guy who's alive right now today who has figured a bunch of this stuff out, Mr Wally Wallington. Really Wallington duously lives in Michigan. Which

it turns out that both Devan and I have relatives living. Yeah, and I guess did it weren't we earlier saying that we thought that this guy's family was maybe in Michigan. Yeah, I believe it was Michigan. Was where the distant relative who inherent property. Yeah, there's always there's always a Michigan connection. Yeah.

But anyway, um, yeah, so Wally and and just if any of you want to do a quick google on Wally Wallington YouTube and you can you can watch the videos of this guy moving around massive massive chunks of concrete ads stones. Really interesting. He moves a barn at one point, like an actual barn, huge little without without machinery. Now he's using two by fours and counterweights and some rocks and some literally little little, small little rocks and

just leveraging things around, and it's it's amazing to watch. Yeah, the guys, the guy's pretty ingenious. And you know, usually we make fun of people like this, you know, it's tongue in cheek loving, we make fun of these people. But this guy, we all kind of sat around watching the video really ready, I think for all of us to be like, oh, this is dumb, and we like got further into the video and we're like, wait, that

totally makes sense. Thinks that he's handed out how the ancient Brits managed to put up stonehead, which is and he actually gives a visual demonstration of himself. He has by himself putting pounds obelisk and standing it up into a hole in the ground. He was moving a several ton block. He said he could move at three feet in a day, at an hour. At in an hour, he says, it's a massive block, and he's using two

small round stones. He can basically screwch it back and forth over these stones and just pivoted on these on these two different stones. Now we should go ahead and like make sure that everybody knows that, at least in these videos. Everything he showed when he was scooching these stones, he was doing it on flat concrete. Told that it would be way harder to do on like a gravel path, grass or something. He has, but he has that other ingenious method is at the beginning of the video, he

built the thing out of wood. That is basically, so if you like take and he had like this massive chunk of concrete that was like like like a wrecked angular concrete, but it was square if you look at it on end, and so if you take uh, so let's let's say that that is so let's say three ft on one side. Then he basically built a structure and it's like got these semi circles, and the distance around the radius of that thing for each one of these semicircles is also three ft same as the rock, right,

a stone he's making. And then basically this thing is a whole series of these semi circles pointing upwards. And he was just rolling that thing across that a massive, massive chuckle, square concrete and he was just rolling it right across there well by hand. It was yeah, yeah, that was amazing, And really it's disturbing, and I believe his he says. I believe he said at one point, I'm going to do this without any mechanical machinery used.

And it is. It's two by fours and a couple of rocks fours and some and some concrete weights, just using weights and stuff. And yeah, it's really cool. And if if Ed used that same technique, that would explain how he moved all these huge stones and how he levered him into place. Yea, if this is this, if this technique is also what the ancient Egyptians used, which currently modern science thinks that they just did it all the hard way with you know, thousands of thousands of slaves,

divers dragging these things along logs and logs and logs. Actually, although actually there's a there's a more recent theory that they actually um poured the blocks of the pyramids in place. Actually that instead of Corey and them and dragging them for a long distance, they actually poured him in place. Yeah, kind of crew concrete in place. That is one theory. And they made him on the spot so I didn't have to drag him, so I still had to drag

weapons into place. Well, but here's here's the crazy thing. The pyramids. They figure right now it took twenty years to make each pyramid, and they say that it required a labor force of one D two hundred thousand people. If they're using the same techniques that Wally Wallington and ed theoretically might have been using, it would have actually only taken about five thousand men, which is a huge

reduction in labor force themselves. Says, you know, it's it's quite possible that the ancient Breads who put up Stonehenge, and it was actually it's quite possible, was a much much smaller crew than anybody up to now is ever believed. I believe we said when we were watching that video that maybe it just was one weird Yeah, exactly, what does Fred do it? He playing with rocks? So what are the theories do we have here? Well, we've got

magnetic A lines. You all know what magnetic A lines are, right, yeah? Yeah, thertex. Yes, they're the supposed magnetic lines that run through the earth and where they cross they have strange properties. Vortex exactly. I'm just gonna keep saying the Oregan vortex, right. Yes, Actually I've heard about it, but I've never been should I should go? It's not that far away. Not so.

According to Ed, he said that he could see the magnetic properties of things because he understood the natural magnetism of everything, and that he saw all these magnetic properties as beads of light, so that he could actually visualize them, and so he would see it and he would know

where the magnetic lines were to then use those. There's there's talk that the reason that he moved Coral Castle wasn't because of a subdivision, but because he realized that there was better lay lines somewhere else, which happened to be his new property, and that's why he moved everything. There is TV hallucinations. Yeah, and that that theory that that Ed moved everything that's put out by an author

who's got the awesome name of Race Stoner. Yeah yeah, but yeah, according to Stoner, he says that that's why it was. It was that. There's another author named B. J. Cathy who is purported to be an authority on grid dynamics. Well that's the I'm I'm an authority on hat wearing property dynamics. You know how I am an authority on that? I just made it up. Okay, Well, and I'm going to read directly from this just so I can explain

this properly, at least say it properly. There exists in all encompassy global grid with direct harmonic relationship to the speed of light, gravity, magnetics, and earth mass. All major changes of the physical state are about my harmonic interactions of these manifestations. The controlled manipulation of these forces would make it possible to instantaneously move mass from one point to another in space time. The measurements from Coral Castle

yield harmonics related to light and gravity. The distance between Coral Castle and grid Pole A in the north to spell any doubt that the site being an ideal position to allow ed leads Scalnan to erect the huge blocks of Coral with relative ease. Measurements indicate the harmonics necessary for the manipulation of anti gravity listeners, Can I hear real for you? With you? You can't get behind this one. Turn my hat backwards on, sitting my chair backwards. Okay,

get it real with you? How to get a starburst right now? While Steve was reading that to not burst out into rain and by the way, this is not product place are delicious? No, I had to put a candy in my mouth, because I would not out burst out into rage, just like what what what? It's just crap, you know what, Like like just to take one one phrase, make it possible to instantaneously move mass from one point to another spacetime. I just feel like you're talking about wormholes. Yeah, yeah,

I mean instantaneously moving from one to another. Yeah, maybe wormholes. I don't know what basically was using wormhole technology. The call it wormhole technology, not magnetic ley lines. And that's the shortest wormhole I've ever seen. Christ Also, the distance between Coral Castle and Gridpole a in the north you mean between the north pole and that and where he put his thing, Because if it's a distant thing, then

why aren't people all over the place? Sorry almost swore, why are people all over the place on that same line suddenly like moving their stuff like magic? Because really, what she's saying, right is that like, oh, it could have magically happened, Like what did he just like think it? So what happened? Did he have to use some technology

to have it happy? Must have had some special talent, because otherwise wouldn't anybody who pays the business to the Coral Castle will be able to grab one of those massive chunks of rock and just move around. And actually, let's be fair, I did read a description of Ed that said that all all signs pointed to him being a modern geomanswer. Yes, Okay, we're just gonna keep going

on that. There's other claims that the same people who talk about this global harmonics say that some people when they walk through the gate of Coral Castle experience a headache because they're just not used to being in that strong of a field. Okay, but that's the same thing. I'm going to talk about the Oregon wortex for a minute. I got a headache when I'm there too. You know why, because everything is built on a weird keel. Like there's

a thing that's built totally opposite. There's a cabin that's built totally opposite the way that you would assume that things are. You walk into it and things roll up hill and like, of course your brain is gonna hurt. Like I was there once and a woman fainted and the woman was like, get her off the magnet line. She's having a negative reaction to the magnet line. No, she was pregnant and drunk and she yeah, it is

southern Oregon whatever. But I mean it was just kind of one of those things where it's like I can get on board with so many theories, but this one. That's why I put this quote in there, because if you knew, because it's it does, it is a bit outland is and it's very hard to get behind, and there are people who are staunch believers in it. I'm not going to talk against him, but I don't buy it.

It's it's a little bit of this gives me actually hope for the future though, because I have been one lately about how to make more money, and you know, there's a there really is a bottomless market for this kind of crap. It really is, and so I'm thinking it's time to start writing books about supernatural phenomenon. I mean, it's one thing. You know, one of the theories with the with the Pyramids is this whole like ancient alien technology of you know, they had to use this thing

and it was an anti gravity force or whatever. I can I can get on board without way more than this magnetic a line. Oh, in the way that it was was in proximity to the you know, the North Pole, Like that's it's I think that this might be the angriest time we've ever managed to get you on this show. You have to start fighting stories that involved magnetically. Apparently I got to write the Encyclopedia of Magnetically I didn't

get you. Actually, I really, I really want I'm going to really work on this hard and try to come up with some incredible piece of just crap to arrive on the Magnetic a Lines. Okay, I wanted my my very own piece of bs out there, Cyclopedia of Magnetic air Lines, so that I can write a very honest introduction, swear word laden introduction, and we'll just see where it goes. Why don't we before somebody's head explodes, Why don't we move forward? Let's go to the next theory, which is

actually pretty simple one. It's basic walking tackle. You're like alternating yes, and there are there are, by the way, there are photographs out there of this guy using a great, big huge tripod and block and tackle and everything to move rocks around. Yeah. Well, and and that's that's the thing is You're absolutely right, Joe, and I'll describe this

for everybody. Is there's there's photos of Ed on the property and he's got three telephone polls and there I kind of tried to guess the scale, and I'm gonna say they'ret and he's got a cable and chain and a lever and pulleys, and he's got a stone lifted up. So it seems like maybe he was using very basic technology to move them. But Steve, there's a black box on the top of those polls. Just a second, just a second there, all right. So my thing is is that, yes,

this would allow him to raise them up. What I don't see is how that would allow him to move them horizontally very easily. I'm not saying he didn't use basic block and tackle, but that doesn't explain how he did everything, because you looked it up and down. But then how do you move it left to right, especially

the ten miles right? Well, but the you know, but you can raise it up and then set it on like like set it on a bunch of logs, like the ancient Egyptians just rolled on logs, and you could you could maybe the guy had a cart, you know, with big old wheels on it. You could set the stuff on a cart and then just moved it to where he needed to. I gotta be honest with you, I am bigger than he is or was, and I could not push a stone on a car, even like a well, but you know the thing is, now that

I think about it, he could have also. Okay, let's let's let's run it this way. Let's say he's got more than one tripod set up, he's got a cart, and he sets the other tripod up and then using a wench system and your cart that you came up with just pulls it on the cart with a wench system across the property. That make a lot of sense, Yeah, because, yeah, pushing something that size would be part of the pushing your car. Yeah, you'd have to. You'd have to you'd have to tie a rope to it and have a

winch and something like that. And it's entirely feasible. Yeah, no, and it makes sense. And I was I was looking at it because there's these couple of photos of him with this this block and tackle system. But there's not a lot of reports of people who lived in the area seeing this tripod set up all the time. The stories. Nobody says, oh yeah, we always saw that, you know, ed with this silly tripod of of wood erected. Well, I I looked into the census, I was like, well,

there's got to be a bunch of people around. It was pretty empty area back. It was because when he moved there, let's see, in the nineteen twenty census in that city there were hundred people, and by the time he died around nineteen fifty, there was forty five hundred people. And he was and he wasn't He wasn't on the main draft and he was out I don't know if you want to call it the suburbs. He was. He

was out. And the area that he lived in this town was fifteen miles across, so it wasn't a big town. So we're talking at its peak in nineteen fifty, that's four hundred people per square mile, and you know they're going to be concentrated in mostly one area he owned. How much of that land did he own? It was a good chunk, wasn't it. You know? That was one of the hard parts is that it never says how much area he actually owned. I couldn't get a handle on that. Nobody ever says ed bought X number of

acres or something, right. I guess my understanding is like he owned the part that the Coral Castle proper is on, right, but he also owned a part where he was coreing rock behind it and some property property large enough that somebody could say like, oh, I didn't even know that there was a thing on there. I mean, obviously not huge, but I think the sense that I got was that it was, you know, it's got to be bigger than the castle property. Yeah. Absolutely. And we'll step back now

to what you brought up, which is the black box. Yeah, in the photo where and that you see of ed with this stone literally just a little bit off the ground, there's this funny square, black looking box at the top of his tripod, balanced on the top. It looks kind of balanced, and there's he's nailed two buys or some kind of sporards on it to make a ladder to

go up to the top. And some of our more far flung friends have said that he had some kind of device in there that he was to so that that and that allowed him to easily lift and move the block. So he was keeping that hidden from people. For a guy you so private, I don't understand when he let somebody on the property to take a picture of him while he was working. Yeah, that's a big question to me, right, that he seems to have been

so private he would like stop working. If him they wouldn't tell him, or he wouldn't tell them how he was doing things. But there's these pictures of him actively

working on a tripod. There's only two or three. Yeah, but I have heard stories too that, you know, it might be that this whole idea that he was super secretive and everything was just a little bit part of the mythology of the whole thing, and that he actually, you know, didn't actually wasn't that upset as people wanted to show up and hang out and watch him do a thing. Yeah, and and and that that could very well be. I mean, it's it's hard to say. I

don't know for sure. So that's block and tackle. Yeah, let's let's let's go into where next one. Our next one is, well, Devin, are you gonna be okay with this? It's anti gravity? Are you anti gravity? Praty realized. I mean, if we didn't have gravity, we'd be like in space right now, we'd be like floating around now. No, Yeah, I think I mean, just explain it a little more.

But I think I'm gonna be less angry about this the other So when we talked about ed wrote pamphlets and he believed he had a better understanding of science than modern science did, and he he was really into how electricity and electro magnetism worked. That was kind of his thing. When was Tesla around, Tesla was like, let's the late nineteenth century, Yeah, the same time as Edison he could have been reading about. Yeah, I feel like there was a period of time where people were really

into this stuff. And that's to correlate a little bit with that, and I think ed might have been on the tail into that and he really latched onto it. And one of the things that was interesting about that period too is that actually a lot of the advances and discoveries were just by tinkerers and people like that and just loan event was it wasn't this thing where we had this massive general electrics and laboratories coming up with stuff. It's just guys working in their in their

barns with amazing stuff. Yeah. Yeah, and this is this is this is gonna be a little bit hard to explain something. Going to try and break this into just real simple basics for how this anti gravity magnetism stuff that people think ED had figured out on how to move things, because I think I read was this in one of the links. This is Yeah, this is I tried to read. It's very hard and just couldn't the one with all of the videos. It's very hard to

understand nothing. Yeah, no, it's it's really difficult. So this is this is the easy way to think about it. You can change. According to ED, you could change the internal magnetism of an object. We're gonna we're gonna step back. We're going to say that the planet, the core of our planet has a positive charge and everything on the outside of the planet has a negative charge. So with magnets, positive and negative opts to tract, so they pull together

and that's what creates our gravity, very simplified. So then according to this theory, what you could do is if you could flip the magnetic polarity of an object from negative to positive, it would repel from the center of the Earth and it would lift. And the more that you were that you flip, so it gets more and more on the positive, the higher and higher it would float, and it would flip around. There's there's a bit of a problem with that theory though, um, and that is

that magnetism and gravity are entirely separate forces. Okay, but this this is end, this is this is en. I understand the magnetism gravity or two different things. But I'm making this very simple just to try and explain how his magnetism theory work. But that's the basics of it. Is everything has a polarity, and if you can flip its polarity, it's going to start repelling against everything, and that would allow it to essentially float and you could

push it around like a hover path. There's two problems with that theory. And number one is that is that magnetism effects ferrest minerals not and and limestone is non ferrest number one. Number two you know, yeah, we all have have played around with magnet you know, and so you know what happens, Like, say, if you've got a magnet and you put the two north ends of the magnets together, they tend to repel each other, right, and

then they'll flip on you. Well because actually, yeah, yeah, you let one of them go and it just snaps around and then smacks into the other magnet real hard, right, So I think that's what would have happened to good old, good old edge like that, I guess I can kind of see the whole magnetism thing if we're thinking of magnetism,

like what holds atoms together? Almost magnetism is well, but if that's not the correct term for it, right, But that there's there's a force and if you and it's a got a opposite polar force, right, may maybe I'm making that up, but that if you were going to reverse the like integral polar of a thing, I think that not only would it not levitate. And this is my total basic understanding of standing, but like if you if you're going to reverse the polarity of that thing,

isn't that thing going to cease to exist? Like you're reversing the polarity of all of the atoms that are that thing? So what's holding it together? And there's nothing really holding it together anymore? Is that a thing? Am I making that up? I would? I wouldn't stress about that because there's no way you can do that. But but but but like like particle, right, that's exactly it? Right? Is that like you get the gun, the anti hero

in all of the like comics gets the gun. It's like the anti gravity gun, and he can't use it because really what it is is it disintegrates the person because it reverses the polarity of every atom. And I would really like to have one of those two but

in traffic a yeah, but but yeah, magnetic polarity. I mean, I mean, you know, in atoms, there's particles that have positive and negative and neutral charges, but that has that's nothing to do with magnetic polarity, all right, And this is this is all based on his writings and I guess, well, but I a little bit want to think about it in terms of like the nineteen thirties and forties right when he was writing it, because we've made some pretty

significant advances in our understanding of things like that. Yeah, but well, let's let's let's get off of the the let's let's back to debate the theories of magnets. I do not want to get into any more of that. But what I do want to point out this is this is something that people who believe that he was making this anti gravity beam is they say that Ed was using a perpetual motion device and that's how he was able to to change the polarity of things. And

make them float. And they also said that he had a machine that would run a charge into the property to help him do this. And he does have a very crude electro magnetic crank in in the building of the castle that he built. It could generate electricity. It had a copper coil, and all that which is the coil is gone, all the all the guts that are

basically gone anymore. But they there was evidently two lights on the property, and people say, well, if he was using that, it would only work as long as ed was there to turn the crank, which defeats the purpose of having lights. So maybe he had some way to keep it going, which would maybe be his perpetual motion device, or maybe he he was in capturing the energy. I mean, there's a lot of it there. He could have actually just kidnapped people and held them prisoner and made them

turn the crank. It wasn't there isn't there a way to store that perpetual motion a battery kind of yeah, I mean he would build u an electrical charging like a like a hand crank radio, you know how they used to do it. You wouldn't have to have like content they have Usually the devices like that have a capacity which is kind of like a battery if you hold to charge, you know, and it can discharge the charge much faster than a battery. So he would have

maybe had something. He probably had a capacitor or maybe battery or something, and so maybe he was cranking it up, charging up this device and then going using it. Yeah, we don't know exactly what the thing did, because, like I said, the you're gone, Yeah they were gone. But yeah, yeah, so but anyway, I moved them before I went to the hospital. But yeah, anyway, I mean and apparently somebody,

somebody nipped in there and stole a perpetual emotion machine too. Yeah, nobody's ever seen I you know, I think that somebody's having a little fun with us at this point. They're larning. They're larning on the hoaxes one on the other so so thickly that you know, they're obviously just they're pulling

a insulting our intelligence here. Perpetual emotional machine. Come on, dudes, Yeah, I mean, yeah, there actually no, I actually think there was a stronger there's stronger evidence for the existence of than there is perpetual perpetual motion machines. Okay, let's let's keep going, let's move ahead. Yeah, okay, Remember I said that Ed worked at night, Yeah, because that way nobody

could see him. There's a story out there from a group of high school students at the time, and they they said that one time they went out there and they saw Ed singing to the stones and he was pushing them around and they were floating like they were hydrogen filled balloons. Sorry, yeah, I'm sorry. You know, the first half of that was really the part they got me singing to the stones. Yeah, yeah, evidently had a great singing voice. I don't know ro so he was

he was charming the stones. Yeah. Well, people have pointed out, you know, it was probably a couple of kids who got busted for being out after curfew and made up this crazy story so the cops wouldn't get after him for that. Maybe go look, try to divert attention from themselves. But then I also heard a really good idea of why Ed worked at night because it's hot, because he lived in southern Florida and it's super hot in the day. And remember back back in those days, they didn't have

that magical stuff called sunscreen or air conditioning. Yeah, so yeah, he lived in a stone house. He didn't have air conditioning either way. But uh yeah, having lived in here in Florida in part of the summer hot, it's hot as hell. And it's not only hot, it's muggy. I mean, you know a lot of places you you can kind of understand what hot, but until it's you know, just sopping wet air. It should rain but it can't, and all of that water is to you don't really know

what heat is. Yeah, I know, I've been. I've been, like I was in Kansas City in July one time, kind of like that. Yeah, it was super muggy and just hotter degrees out and you felt like you're gonna melt the salk. You kind of wanted to. It was, and every every place that I see cold air conditioning. So I would walk into a shop whatever, it's like, yeah, it's so great. But then you walk back out and it's like he's slapped in the face with a wet, hot tower. It's it's like a real life sauna. Yeah,

it's it's not pleasant, not pleasant at all. The last thing that I've got here for is is what I refer to as the number set. Okay, when you look at the photos of the property, there's pictures of Ed's standing next to uh an area where he has engraved in the rocks, when he was born, when he moved the property, all this, you know, kind of biographical stuff.

But when you go into the second floor of the castle to part where he lived in on the side of one of the stones, there is a set of numbers etched in and they are seven, one, two nine. There's a line break six zero five one phone number. It's not a phone number. People say that, oh, well Ed must have figured out something. And this is if we can just understand that this this is totally a reference to the prime ridiant number. Once we get it, we'll totally get it. Well, Dan, isn't it just the

meridian line the longitude? Yeah, it's it's latitude and longitude essentially. So that would be wrong. Yeah, that's not It doesn't even make that's nonsensical because it would have to be between one and three d and sixty degrees. That would make it. Well, I mean it could be degrees. Man, it's the second So yeah, I guess it could, you know,

But I think there's a simpler answer for what these are. Yeah, well, that's that's actually, you know, I mean I think that he probably put serial numbers on all of this blocks of stone, had a barcode, you could just can it. No, Actually, the stuff that I've come across does have the simpler answer, which is that is his immigrant I D number immigrant and alien ID number. Yes, And I actually I did dig around for a while trying to find out you can find out it's a I think it's an eight

digit number. Now, is what I D numbers are for the the immigrant alien I D number. And we used to well, actually we did. You know, the thing is back and that that was at the time when he came to the States, which is around nineteen eighteen where we were having the Great European influx, so there was tons of people pouring through Ellis Island and I was doing a bunch of looking trying to find out how many digits were in those I D numbers, and I

couldn't find it. It's just it's one of those historical things where I think it's probably in a picture, not in text form, and so I kept pouring through all these tags and not finding it. But people say, you know what, that's his immigrant I D number because it was not an uncommon practice for people to say I'm gonna etch this into my doorway, so people know that's me and this is where I live, which really makes a lot of sense. Yeah, the thing that I saw was that it was the alien I D number and

the immigrant ID number. So the alien idea was the first one. So it was his I D number that he was given when he first like came before he was in any kind of citizens and then his immigrant status was the second, and that would make sense, that would make seven digit. Yeah, okay, that makes a lot of sense. And obviously I feel like I shouldn't have to say this, but I'm gonna from another country, not another world. You don't mean you know people who like

you know how I love my Martian theories. I know. But this guy, he was little, maybe he was at he was a little dude. It was a little dude with a really big head. Now he looked pretty human and all the pictures he just looks like a small human. It looks Latvian, and they actually I had no idea what Latvian. He looks like a normal being. And of course people back in those days, you know, there's a lot more abound nutrition floating around in those days, and

so tended to be a bit smaller. What the what's her name Winchester, the woman who built the Winchester home in California. Yeah, she was like four nine, if you go. I went to her house one time, and the Winchester house. I did know. I was at their house. It's so frustrated because I was actually that's like San Jose, right, I was actually there one time. This was a while back, and uh and I just didn't have time. I even saw science saying Winchester house this way. You know, it's

really fun frustrated. She actually built staircases that really that was well, no, she built staircases. They're like normal people staircases, and then like her staircases because she was so little that she just wanted to have her own little like I went up one and I was like hunched over, like trying to go up these tiny little stairs because she just, like I wanted all these little stairs. But I mean, you know, she was kind of a contemporary

at that age. That's a that's a thing people were smaller. I think that's that's where you were going at expanded. I'm sure you noticed this like you know, and travels to Europe. You know, I've seen very very old buildings and the doorways and I am normal. Yeah, I say, I've seen yeah, a lot of really ancient buildings where the churches and stuff. Yeah, yeah, you got a duck. It's like five and a half feet is how high to the door is. Building codes were a little different

back in those days. They didn't have them. They didn't have them. For number one, there were two people were all five feet tall. This is very true. Well anyway, Yeah, that's that's kind of the that's that's what we know about Corral Castle, and those are the main the main theories on how people think Ed made the place. Yeah,

I think, and I think it's fair to say. I think for our listeners again, uh, do a do a google on Wally Wallington, look at some of his techniques, and you know, I think that there's a very easy explainable explanation for this. I don't think supernatural things, anti gravity or magnetic whatever really accounts for any of this. Yeah, that's what I think. What do you guys think? So you don't even have to ask the question, because Joe's

just answering on already. Yeah, I think so. You think the magnetic lay lines, right, Yeah, she likes those magnetic lines. I think ancient alien technology should not be counted out. No, I think I think that probably this whole This is so frustrating to say, but I kind of agree with Joe. You know, we all watched that video together and it was just kind of like a crap, Like, Nan, you're taking away all my fun theories with reason and actual science. No,

what are you doing? Actually, this just occurs to me. I don't know if any of you guys have played Half Life too. No, yeah, but Half Life Too. There's just one special thing that you get, and it's not exactly a weapon. I forget what they call it, but you can use it to pick up just anything. You can pick up a car with it. Maybe it's that maybe this guy you know, actually like you know, got this this special tool that we should in Half Life Too. Why don't we just say that he was praying it

and was having crazy mom strength trying to protect his children. Okay, I'm gonna go with that. I personally, I think that it is probably a combination. I think that it is a combination of the standard block and tackle and then some very rudimentary version of the Primerradian. The stuff that Wellington was doing, I don't know that he maybe took it as far, but I think that he was doing something basic. You got to remember, this is not a

huge place. I'm guessing that there. I mean, the walls I know must have taken him a long time because there's a lot of walls. But the things that he built, I think, you know, he worked on it for thirty years and there's a couple dozen structures or objects that he's arranged and put together aside from the walls. So this this stuff that Wellington did, he could move it around really fast, but I don't think that he necessarily

was moving in that fast. And I think that he's probably working in bits and pieces that much larger than he's a Yeah he is. He is a bigger guy than Ed. Be honest, I would have taken me much longer to do something like that. And that's why I think that he's probably doing things in some combination using leverage but then using a winch or something like that. I really that's that's the direction that I think that he must have done. I don't think that he used

the magnetic a line. They don't have a good explanation for that box on the top of that whatever the tripod is. But you want to know what I think that. I think that he nailed the poles to the box and that's what kept him from flying apart. It's a t P and he just drops the box. Okay, he three sticks and you lean them up against each other and they make that kind of little inverted t P at the top, and then you drop the box over him,

and the box keeps him from sheering sideways. Drop a couple of nails, and then the things don't pull apart. I think as simple as that, it could be as simple as the box was like something that was manufactured that actually held that held held the poles there. They

were actually essentially hinged all together. So imagine if if he's got this thing and he wants to move it over five ft right, so he could pick up one of these things, move it over, and then pick up the other ones and move them over, and you can do it kind of like that, as long as he's got this thing where they're all held together in hand and so they have a certain bit of leverage, but not too much. Yeah, yeah, so they can't go too

far one way or the other. But yeah, I mean that might I think that they were just there to hold the top together. Yeah, it could have been it too. Oh okay, I mean yeah, that makes sense. I mean yeah, I'm just being contradictory at this point. Yeah, just because we made you so mad because it's late line. No okay, Well, ladies and gentlemen like you threatening to tickle me? Remember that? Remember the song on the Clapton song lay Do you don't remember that song? No? Okay, No, I don't know

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