Thinking Sideways: Cartoon Conspiracies

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going to do something a little bit different. You may remember we've done these sort of things before, but we're gonna do um a three for mystery kind of but we kind of wanted to change it up. We're tired of talking about murdered and disappeared kids and we are really awful stuff and we've got a lot more. Yeah, we've got a lot more coming down, So we thought

we would do something a little different. And um, we're going to talk about cartoon conspiracies is what we're calling them, but kind of weird theories that people have regarding cartoons or cartoon universes or anything like that. And um, each of us has our own that we like. And I'm going to start because I'm bossy pants you are, and mine is the most interesting. In the chair, I'm driving this but okay, I know, I'm sorry, so I just like it so much. I know you guys are freaked

out by it, but it's fine. I'm going to talk about the Pixar universe, which I think many of my contemporaries will know, and then, you know, people who have kids will also be familiar with the Pixar universe. Hey, hey, come on, I'm gonna think it does turn out that Steve has seen more Pixar movies than I have. Yeah, somehow, I've not seen very many at all, because you don't have kids and you're an adult. Probably yeah, I however

him not I think adult. I mean I think I didn't see the Incredible Yeah, okay, I saw that one. So I'm gonna start off by saying that most of the credit for this sort of theory go. It's actually there's a book written about this whole world, and we won't do it even a little bit of justice because I'm not going to write a book for you guys right now. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah, his name is John nageary um, and he wrote a book. So if this interests you and you want to know more about the theory, you

should definitely do that. Um. But I thought it's start off by giving some credit where credit is due, that this and I'm super intrigued by this, and he's not the only person who's added to this whole timeline, but

I just want to get that out in the open first. Yeah. So, basically, this theory is that Pixar all takes place in the same universe, all of their movies, every single one, and it's it's actually a continual timeline, and I'm going to talk about how these movies all fit together, and Joe's gonna have nothing to say about it, and Steve's gonna have a lot of um so in this theory, and there's a big there's a big reveal at the end of like what really ties it all together. I'm not

gonna I'm not gonna spoil it for you. Yeah, ahead, you can. Yeah, it actually says that the top there. Yeah. Anyway, so obviously this universe would start with Brave the movie. You guys, I haven't actually seen Brave yet but not yet, but Steve has seen Brave a lot um go to Sleep movie, and so this theory starts with Merida discovering the Will of the Wisps, which is like magic, right, It's this blue magic thing in the movie. Sorry spoilers

alerts everybody. Uh this, it turns her mother into a bear. Um no, but the will of the Wisps does explain why animals and inanimate objects can behave like humans. So this kind of starts this whole Pixar universe of you know, weird things being very human. What's that? What's the word for that? It's yeah. In Brave the movie, there's this old witch who utilizes the magic and she mysteriously vanishes

through wooden doors. That's her mode of transportation as she goes in and out of wooden doors, opens them and steps the doorway and then closes them and by well yeah who. So this sort of magic, and according to this theory, is what leads to the rise of superheroes, which leads us to Incredibles and and you know the Incredibles. They are in that universe and in that world, the superheroes are really maintaining peace and order in the world,

as with good any good superhero franchise. But Buddy, you guys remember Buddyddy never wear a KPE. Buddy, he created uh, self serving AI robots and a high tech what it's called zero point energy, which is just an electromagnetic energy that exists in a vacuum sort of thing. This is kind of where we start to see negative stuff come from the inanimate objects being basically self aware. So this

leads us to Toy story one. In Toy Story one, it's kind of when we start to see toys absorb this zero point energy, which is you know, derived from the will of the whisps, magic energy. It travels, it's unseen, and the first signs of life from toys are present because of Buddy who's syndrome, right, his technical prowess, I guess is what you could say, there's why we have

Woody and everybody else. Yeah, And the toys, for their part, they come up with kind of rules and learned that human love can kind of enrich their lives and all that stuff, and so they're really abiding by that. So that's fine, no problem. But then into Toy story two, we kind of start to discover that some toys have isolated themselves, and that's obviously very dangerous. It's because human love is actually overrated, as we all learn as adults.

It's not. Actually it's a bit fickle sometimes too. I think you know what your toy you can get to the good will or stuffed into a box and we're left in a field. In Jesse's case, Yeah, we're gonna take the cow girl, right, she was the cow girl. Yeah, we're gonna take a little slight divergence here and hop into the ocean. With finding splash, we find that fish are actually incredibly advanced as well. At this point. They

have schools, they have a network of highways. Basically, I mean, dude, dude, Yeah, Dory is an animal in that world. Everybody knows who Dori is because it's own degenerous, so everybody knows who that is. And the theory is that she was actually experimented on by humans, which is why she's so forgetful. Except Store Too, I'm sorry, No, I'll just wait. Emo too kind of spears that whole idea, but I'll leave it alone. And why would any experiment of fish like that?

Why to just catch her and eat her? Fighting? Emo two is not in anywhere in this theory, it's not, so do you want to finding Nemo two tracks Dories origins, and I don't remember any experimentation happening in there. Well, she's forgetful. She was forgetful since she was the itsy bitsiest thing ever well maybe her parents were experimented on. That's why she's forgetting LSD for fish. Actually, what happened.

It was a shipment illicit ship from South America and the coast guard like was going about to like board your shift, and it tossed it overboard and yeah, yeah, like oh fish food fish food. Oh man, whoops, their gums were all itchy, poor fish fish. Yeah. And we also see this this animal kind of curiosity and also heightened enlightenment, I guess self awareness with Ratatui, which is one of my favorite Pixar movies. I don't know why. I like the idea of rats, you like the idea

of rats and control. I don't know. It's weird anyway. By the way, it's fresh for Rata tat is the sound of machine guns in the comics Conspiracy. Oh my gosh. This is the first time that we see an actual interaction between right in Finding Nemo, there's some kind of interaction between humans and fish. But yeah, it's terrifying interactions, mostly which is caused a little girl's name when she stuck her face on Yeah with the braces. No, no,

not interested. But it's interesting because in the first interaction in the in the Pixar universe that we see animals interacting with humans. It's to the purpose of controlling of really idiotic human It was kind of dumb. We just kind of dumb. Yeah, let's other ask controlling the human Linguini. What did I say, Luigi? Oh yeah, Linguini. I was like, where's Mario? I don't know, come on, get it together, devon geez. Then three years later we hit Toy Story three. Now,

toys have gone through a lot with humans at this point. Yeah, I mean they've been physically and emotionally abused. Most A lot of the toys that we see in this movie just straight up hate humans because humans discard toys like they're just objects. Because frankly, humans, I think, don't know that they're sentient beings at this point, and it's not like the toys are doing much to like that serves right.

Green Army Men though, they're the ones who they're the fighting force, except they turn out there their achilles heel is a magnifying glass in the sun. Yeah, you know, I had a whole set of those guys. I love those things. So was a kid that not not just last year. I mean, this is a long time ago.

The basement. Yeah, weird shapes and it's fine. Um. This this kind of helps to set the stage for the uprising that we're going to see in the coming years of the sentient machines and toys and other things previously in animate, previously in animate objects. Yes, this is when we get to up and everybody starts crying hysterically. Why why am I crying? Did you see up? You just watched the first five minute? Well you you you're heartless, You might not cry. Let me guess his mother gets

shut by a hunter. How could Yeah? Yes, for all of you who's wat yes, that is exactly dang it. So this theory continues on that Carl and Ellie actually right to Andy to try to get rid of the to try to convince him to get rid of the toys. There's no actual, like back up evidence for this connection at all, but well we'll go with it. Why not, um.

And the reason that they want to go live in solitude is because they know that this uprising is coming, and so they are trying to get out so that they aren't a part of it and they can just live their human life. Now, I think you need to let people know that this this is this whole series of clues in the movie, Like there's a letter from Carl and Ellie panned in Andy's room. Is that right?

Because that's how that's how this this distinction or this this chain of events were is kind of being assembled. It's not just so you may not know. I guess I've gotten this far. You may not know. I just assumed everyone would that in Pixar movies, there's stuff that references. They call them easter eggs a lot, but there's stuff, little bits of reference to connect all of the different all the different movies together with common threads and themes um.

And so that's where the basis of this whole theory comes from, is the fact that it seems like they're connected. But why would they all be connected? And especially when we start getting into the like cars world, where like humans just don't even exist at all, Like what could be the explanation for all of these things existing in the same world. Thanks, that's good for me to just not be plowing through it was I just remember the was it a postcard? Was that? What was? I think?

So something like that? It was you talking about? And I think it's toy Story too. There's a bulletin board and it's one or two. I thought it was three, maybe three? Well Andy. In Andy's room, there's a corkboard. He's got things pinned to it, and one of the things is a postcard, right, yeah, I think I think it's postcard at least a postcards from Carl and Ellie,

who are the characters from Up. So this is like that, you know, now, Toy Story three and Up didn't come out at the same time, so there's this weird back and forth little bits that are in the background suddenly becoming things that are in the foreground in another movie. Totally. Yeah. Uh so in Up again, spoilers, I guess, um, Carl is let's just let's just apply a spoiler blanket to

this episode, yeah, which we did already. So Carl is forced to give up his house to a corporation which is big and large, which we'll talk l Yeah, we'll talk about that in a minute, because they're expanding the city. Basically,

this is foreshadowing. Obviously, the corporation is the cause for the pollution of the earth, and we'll get to this when we talk about Wally, but it's mostly as a result of technology overreach basically um, which we a little bit and you know it's in the references real world stuff. Right now, to Charles, who's the main antagonist in UP. While one of the many main antagonists in UP. He has this this army of dogs which he kind of abuses.

And you'll remember, you remember the Golden Retriever from UP. You know. At this point, Carl kind of figures out the animals can communicate with humans, and also the animals are not happy with humans at all, and so the kind of the training of the dogs, the really inhumane treatment of animals leads to the tipping point of the war, the war between what the animals and people? Animals and people? What about what about the machines? Get in right, They're coming.

They're coming, buddy, Yeah, they're coming for you. Yeah. So war on screen, no, no, no kids movies like PGG movie, there's no This is just a we just an assumption that people are making that a war happen. Most violent things that ever happens in a Pictar movie happens in the beginning of Everyone, where that silly lamp squishes the line that's the violent I think that's actually true. Yeah, Ok, yeah,

for reasons that are not totally clear to me. I think you have to read the book to totally understand why. But for some reason, machines decided to come and and save the humans sided with us. They sided with the humans, may because we recreated them or something, I don't know, but we all know how that goes. They also know if they want to be like maintained and lubricated, they kind of got to have us around. Well I'm not according to the Cars universe actually, but yeah, but so,

but we do know how this always goes. You know, machines rise up and they're like, we're going to help you. But then the machines of course realize, oh, hey, actually it'd be super easy for us to defeat you as well, so so send us away. Yeah. Well, we did pollute the earth a little bit, you know, humans basically started to ruin the earth, and so we either sent ourselves away or the machine sent us away. I'm pretty sure

we sent ourselves away. But also there's a question, based on Wally, maybe the machines were kind of behind the whole thing. Anyway, this is where we end up with cars, where cars who are now sentient beings are on the Earth alone, but all vehicles are sent beings at this point.

Sorry sorry, yeah, all vehicles, cars, planes, all them. Yeah, although I will pause here to mentioned Planes is not actually a Pixar only movie, but there's but the airplanes in the Cars universe are also basically everything is yes, yes, um, and so there's actually there was a movie called Planes. Yeah, it's Airplane somebody else. They know it's Pixar and Disney or something, so it doesn't actually fit any of the Disney movies. Don't go in this universe Pixar Disney movies.

But okay, so humans gone, cars existing in the world all by themselves, but also obviously polluting the heck out of the world and making it totally uninhabitable for like anything. Cool. Um. In Cars to we go to Europe in Japan, which shows the same planet under the same circumstances. So we know it's not just America with Michael Caine is the

super Spike car. Well we know that, you know, it's not just America that suffered this fate of suddenly there are no humans there, but there's still human infrastructure everywhere. You know, there's still high rises, which like if cars were in its own universe. Why would we have these like giant buildings. They're driving around in them, they live in them. How it doesn't matter. So they use the elevator for crime and say did they look desolate and

then deserted? And they're perfectly maintained on the outside. But like, you don't, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, But I don't remember ever going into like a big high rise on anything. Uh they do in cars to do they Yeah, they're totally inside of buildings in card too, because there's big galas and stuff. Oh that's right, yeah, yeah, because that's where Bruce Campbell meets in. But the lower parts,

right are they go up? I can't remember. It doesn't really matter much, but because because mayor has to use the restroom. Right. So to my point though that they you know, there's no reason for them to be this human infrastructure if cars were the only thing that ever existed in this universe. Well you know again they so yeah, you're right. So obviously the people were there at one point.

Now that those high rises are obviously being used for storage, yeah right, yeah, yeah, obviously there's the underlying factor that we all know about axiom. We all know about We all know about Alan Oil, which is the corporation that you know provides all of the oil and all of that stuff in the cars movies, which is owned quite explicitly by BNL Big and Large, which is you know, this huge corporation that runs everything and they're the ones

who run Axiom as well. So as previously mentioned, of course, the earth becomes totally polluted, and it's not like we're producing a lot of new oil for cars. So eventually the cars run out of oil and just all die.

I do like Mater, Yeah, so they run out of gas and and they just parked themselves and they're just sort of trapped in a mobile or do they just actually die And I think they just are trapped in immobile and then they rust out because we see in Wally, which is what we're going to talk about next anyway, that things are just it's just like things giant trash piles. Yeah, so they've been compacted down into small, little, neat piles

of stuff. But that's how the world is is it's just covered in trash um, which one would assume would be what the world would be like if it was just run by cars and stuff. For a while also correct. Yeah, so at this time, Wally is the only machine left on earth. He survived because he was fascinated with human culture and uh he also you know, has friendship with a cockroach, but he also wasn't above certain types of cannibalism. Almost. I was gonna say, I love the side theory that

Wally is the first robotic serial killer. Did you read that? I did? Yeah, because he kind of is, though, I mean, the only reason and you see this explicitly in the movies or a movie. Um, the only reason that he still exists is because he's not above just literally taking parts out of other things and replacing them. It's like

if if human parts were interchangeable. It's just like being like, oh, there's a dead body, I'm going to take those eyes because they look like they're in better shape than my eyes. But the serial killer theories that he actually killed them

all just save himself, which he might have. Yeah, so he found when he found them and took their stuff, they were still function I thought that they were like the like, you know, basically shut off at least or does he actually pull the plug on himself and then part we don't know. I kind of like the idea that cute, cuddly Wally is was out there just ripping the CPUs out of all of his buddies and taking

their person pieces. Yeah, it's possible. Yeah, But we also see him as you know, kind of almost a robot Jesus, because he and his love Eve bring humans back to Earth, back to the Garden of Eden of full of trash. During the credits of Wally, we do see you remember they've plant the tree that was the seed that they found on Earth. So they bring it back and they plant it and it grows into this really giant, mighty tree, which is actually the same plant that we see in

A Bug's Life. You guys, remember A Bug's Life. It wasn't like two thousand three or something when that came out. I gotta tell you, though I kind of liked ANTS better. I know it's not a Pixar movie, but it kind of liked ANTS better. I don't know that I had an opinion one way or another, although I gotta tell you that the thing that kind of signed to Ants off for me was I believe was it David's Spade that played the main character of that If somebody like

that his voice doesn't do it for me. Interesting anyway, back to me talking talking, So you've been talking for so long minutes, right, Basically, you know the ants, ants, all of bugs lives have been uh catches um, They've been extended, and I think a lot of that is due to the wild the whisps magic that still exists in this world. So that will of the whisps magic um not only has elongated bugs lives, but also has

encouraged a new step of evolution in these bugs. That's just what we want, right, Yeah, which does actually make them evolve into a different species. I don't know if i'd call it dominant. In the theory, it says they're the dominant species, but I don't think they're dominant. I think they're different, and that is that they eventually evolve into the monsters of monsters, You and monsters, inc. Yeah

that doesn't work though, because they're animals. The majority of the creatures in the Monsters universe, monsters, you, and monsters, inc. Do not appear to be insect like, and I would imagine that if they all branched off from bugs, they would retain a lot of insect like not necessarily started we started at a single cell organism, so we were kind of just amiva's and well, we don't look like

a mevas today, do it. Well, we look a little bit like the tree or the what's the word the split in evolution, you know where there's that junction and if it's if they all come off of the same trunk, they're more than ambas at that point. So why don't

we say that all animals evolved into the monster? Okay, they evolved into the monsters of Monsters You and Monsters Inc. Which is hundreds if not thousands of years after Wally Uh and a bug's life, which happened kind of close together, and it's you know, radiation and will magic, will of wisps magic combined from BNL to first time radiation has ever been made out to be a good thing. I know,

these monsters accidentally wipe humans from the face of the earth. Whoops, hoopsie daisies, but they so in Monsters You, basically monsters are taught that humans are like toxic, horrible thing. Um But in Monsters Inc. They're still kind of like that. But it's I think it's less so is like how I feel about it. I feel like the ideas have evolved a little bit, even though you know, monsters an't happened before monsters you in our actual when in our universe.

So the problem here, though, is that, um, you know, monsters, they're harnessing the wrong energy form, is the problem? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, on accident, they create time travel. Don't ask me how, so I can't think. Yeah really, yeah, they create time travel, and time travels through these doors, right, because you guys, remember the whole premise of Monsters, Inc. Is that they go through the doors to the human world, to you know, in the children's bedrooms, to sure kids. Yeah.

I don't know why they're scaring kids. I don't know. Oh yeah, because it's the wrong kind of energy, that's right. Oh my gosh, I'm getting lost in my own theory. I'm so sorry. Um, but it turns out that's the wrong kind of power. So they can't actually just totally kill all of the humans, but they've accidentally created this time travel thing, and so that brings us up to the end of Monsters, Inc. Which is the end of our timeline kind of. But it also brings us to Boo.

You remember Boo you did you see Monsters Inc. Steve you on Monsters Inc. Yeah, boo, is this very cute little girl who Sully, who's that the big blue monster guy is supposed to be. Yeah, he's supposed to be I want to say haunting, but it's not haunting. It's scary, scaring or something like that. But it turns out he

should terrifying. Yeah, But she just thinks he's adorable and amazing and wonderful and everything, because yes, yeah, but she does get I mean, you know, but Sully eventually has to leave and not be a part of her life anymore. But she never quite gets over Sully. Instead, she becomes the witch you remember from Brave Stay with me? How do the monsters travel through times? Wooden doors? How does

the witch in Brave travel through time? Wooden doors? She brings back the will of the Whisps magic from the beginning to start this whole timeline over again. She's also I don't know if inadvertently maybe probably, I don't know. I'm not boot, so I can't tell you what her thought processes. Yeah, I know, geez. And then she's also the one that leaves behind these little easter eggs, which is the you know, there's the pizza truck, that's all. Yeah,

from Toy Story. The pizza truck is in every single Pixar movie ever made in this universe or not. And Sully. I don't know if you know this or not, there's an image of Sully in every single Pixar movie ever created. The green eyeball. I thought it was Mike. Yeah, so there's maculation that. I mean, it adds credence to this theory, right that, like Boo is going through on accident because she probably can't really control this time traveling travel thing.

She's not a monster, so she's a little bit of a monster. Um, so she's leaving these Easter eggs to mark for herself where she's been. So your favorite things pizza trucks and Sully. Maybe I like it. I like the theory a lot Joe thought on this whole whole thing. I mean, I know you kind of zoned out there a little bit in the middle, but in any of these movies. Yeah, I like the theory. Sure, I'll go with it. Yeah, great, cool, that's my conspiracy theory. I

feel like it's it's conveniently assembled there. There's some amazing leaps in in. I would say that the war is the only amazing leap in the storyline I think. I think it's much better than in any other theory out there. See. But here's my problem, though, is that this this theory he made the book by like a year or so ago.

That sound about right, Okay, Well, three more Pixar movies are going to come out in the next year or so, and what's going to be very telling is if it starts to feel like he is shoehorning them into it, because I kind of feel like he shoehorned a bugs life in and so I'm really That's why I think it was very clean and simple when there was say, two dozen movies, But as soon as it started spanning a much greater catalog, I think that's where the thing

starts to show its threads. And here's what I'll say is that I have read a lot of negative feedback about this theory on the line, and people get really mad about it. And here's what I have to say about it. It's a fun theory about Pixar movies. Guys. There's no like big murder. Nobody's suffering for this theory. I think it's really fun, and I choose to believe that it's true, and then I'll just, you know, keep making leaps with the more Pixar movies that come out.

But that's my There will be a conspiracy. You're somebody did suffer the family of the Eye in the word Pixar. It got squished, wife and kids. I don't think in the dustbin, now, Okay, Steve, you're right, Okay, the Eye suffered. So you guys wanna talk about some Let's talk about another another big cartoon conspiracy. Okay, cool, but first let's take a break. Oh yeah, that's a good idea. Doc.

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don't you talk about your my thing? Yeah? Okay, Well this is an older series of cartoons because you're older a little bit yeah. I don't know if you guys have seen the Coyote Roadrunner cartoons. Peter outlawed that about three years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, some of those those old Latins cartoons have been chopped up a bit because they feel like there's some heinous content in there. Yeah. The crows like that was some terrible stuff. Are you talking You're talking about Dumbo? Well it was it the

three Crows in Dumbo. Yeah, that was that was That wasn't lutat so that was like Disney. But that's just kind of a general decided. Yeah, I mean that there was some more racist stuff way back in the early days of cartoons. Yeah, but the Kydie road Runner was not like that. They didn't have any black characters. Actually, it was kind of lily white, I said. There were no white people either, come to think of it, Yeah,

there really weren't. But for those of you who haven't seen the cartoons, let me let me go over real quick, like very quick like no. Yeah, And so it's set in the desert of Arizona, and basically there is a coyote and he of course is looking for dinner and he wants to kill and eat the roadrunner, and so he devises various methods to try to kill the roadrunner, and and every time he fails miserably. Usually yeah, he

usually uses uh, you know, acne products. Actrie Corporation produced a huge variety of different things that could be used for killing a roadrunner. They always fail. And yes, and like Steve says that kyote goes unner excuse the road runing always go like that and dashes off and I and actually that's a theory out there that coyote doesn't actually want to kill the road running for dinner. And the coyote actually hates the road runner because the road

runner is actually not beeping, I mean they're used. They're beeping out obscenities whenever the top. And so the road runner is basically a foul mouth, a little bastard and costly saying, you know, calling, calling the coyote follow names, and so the coyote is naturally really hate little guy and wants to go, Yeah, that's out there. You're better to be able to watch it again. So let's get

right into it. There are there are a number of theories about what explains the cartoon, I mean, what's really going on here? Okay, Number one As I said, one of the big themes is that the coyote is always ordering stuff from Acne Corporation, and the stuff usually fails or he misuses it or whatever. He usually wants up blowing himself up. If he gets a bomb from Acne, he'll blow himself up with it accidentally, that kind of uh.

And so one of the theories that is actually out there, and I don't know who put it up originally, somebody on read it maybe I don't know, but somebody theorized that perhaps the road runner is actually the CEO of Acting Corporation. Yeah, and so he's in a he's in a position to assure that whenever the coyote orders anything lethal from them, he can have it sabotaged or can sabotage it himself, and so he always oils the poor coyote, who's not aware of this at all. He put the

black mark on his Amazon account. Yeah, yeah, somebody flags it. And and there is actually a little bit of support for this number one. I mean, the Actuate products, do you know, unfailingly fail, there's no doubt about that. Well, no, sometimes they work, but they work at the wrong time. Oh, there's that too. But they don't quite work the way

that Kyote would like them to. Uh, and so and another possible another pro thing here is well, there is a picture on the web of the road Runner wearing a suit and time and as the internet is true, Yeah, it totally is and so and so. But I don't know. I mean, I don't know if that means the CEO.

If that maybe he was just dressing up for his prom maybe well, you know, if you look at the road Runner, he the way his coloring is on his body, he could be wearing a roadrunner version of a shirt with a vest on because the colors on his wings are different than his front. So we could have the old school business suit vest on. Yeah, it could be, or mean, maybe those are just his natural coloring. So I don't know. But so that is the theory and

it's out there. You will find a video about this out there on the webs if you want to look for it. You won't have much much trouble that On the concite, on the anti set of this theory, there is the fact that the road Runner has the brain the size of a p and he couldn't really be the CEO of anything except maybe a nonprofit um. And uh, there's also the question of time. I mean, I would have time to run this massive corporation and act me. It's a massive corporation to produce all kinds of stuff.

So he's running the score oparition, and he also has time to intercept all the coyotes orders and sabotage these products. And he has all this time also to run around the desert way out in Arizona. You know, the thing is that, if you think about it, there are world leaders who are in charge of entire countries and yet still have time to spend obscene amounts of their day on Twitter. That's yeah. There is golfing too, Yeah, that was that's popular. That's been popular with a few presidents. Yeah.

But still and the last of all, I mean, if he really was CEO, it's not great pr to sabotage your products and then have it arranged to have it filmed so that the whole world gets to see your products fail in a big way. That that's actually for me. Kind of the death knel for this particular theory is that, you know, why would he do that? Yeah, you know, at the very least he would, thank you would at least, you know, like erase or paint over the acting label.

Perhaps maybe he's the CEO of Arrival company. That's always Actually that's another theory. Yeah, yeah, uh well there is that possibility that actually he's not the CEO of a company or anything. But these cartoons were created by a rival company and and so actually the company was called Pinnacle Corporation. Uh. They supplied the coyote with all kinds of free stuff that was sabotage, and some of it

wasn't even ACNE stuff. They had just mislabeled it. Yeah, I mean like like uh, you know, for example, the missile in episode twenty nine, you've probably seen that one where he launched this a big a big rocket or down the road after this was a black or white one with black marking in this case, and we had

multiple Yeah. Actually it's just it's following him down the highway and it catch us up with the road Runner, and the road Wood looks over it and goes meet me, which we know means you and then rockets away and the rocks and so he's not killed by the rocket, but Acne didn't even make it. Apperiod appear to be maybe an anti tank missile and Acne doesn't make those, and so that was deliberately mislabeled propaganda. Yeah, anyway, they they they supplied pinnacles, supply this U to the coyote,

which he was willing to do. He didn't really need it because he's a coyote. He knows how to catch a fricking road runner, but he was he was willing to do it for the sake of being on TV. What he didn't know was that they were going to fraudulently edit the film to make him look like a buffoon, like we do with every single exactly. It's the original reality TV. Yeah, the coyote actor, the cartoons started coming

out and he caught wind of it. He want public actually denouncing denouncing that the cartoons as as as fraudulent propaganda and uh coincidentally or not at the State of Arizona. And I's like that the day after his press conference that there was a new they were implementing a new predator reduction program. Uh. And so there's a there's been some theorizing right there alone, and there might be a little maybe the fix was in with the State of Arizona.

And so the coyote after that point kind of vanished from public view other than the cartoons. And so the other thing. The other thing about this, the propaganda thing, is if you look very closely at the cartoons, the road runner is actually subtly different in many of the episodes. Um. And the reason that that is is serized as well. He got killed a lot. The chiny actually succeeded and killing him all the time. But against you editing, they could they could take out the parts where he got

you know, blown up, stabbed or whatever. For example of that same episode, I was talking about episode twenty nine with the missile. Well, the missile catch us up with him, he goes meet me and then disappears down the highway. Well, actually right after you met the missile exploded and shredded. Yeah, they did. They chopped it right there. And then they put in footage of another road runner sprinting down the highway and getting away. This is like the Three Stooges

when they're just splicing in old footage. Yeah. And and so there were actually many It appears there were actually many roadrunners and a lot of them got killed. In this particular case, the coyote did get his dinner, but there was not that much. It was about enough to fill a taco and but a little disappointing for him, but he did get something out of it. Uh. And so those are the theories about Those are those two theories about acne um. And there's a few other ones

out there too. Yet one more head of acmee. I guess I forgot about this one, and that is widely coyote is a genius and he is the head of acne Yeah. While the ki is not only a genius, and he can talk, which you never see him doing in the cartoons, he holds signs up. In the cartoons, he holds signs up. Well, you don't see him writing because you don't see that. You just see him holding him to sign. I thought, I swear I've seen ones where he's like scribbling on it and then holds it up.

I swear maybe that's older or that's newer ones it's the original series. Well that could be and but but my understanding is the prop guy would hand him a sign and you would hang it. He would just hold it up to the Canada. But essentially, the coyote, while the coyote not only is not he's not chasing the road Runner. He may not even know the road Runner even exists. Actually, he's busy, he's busy running Acne Corporation. And what he's done is he has hired a bunch

of coyotes out in Arizona to be product testers. And uh, for example, if they've sent some kayote and others, say, a bunch of rocket powered roller skates, and they're out there testing him on the highway, and it just happens to be a road Runner, Well, what are you gonna do? You know, you're a coyote. Yeah, with rocket powered roller skates. Of course you're going to try to chase. Yeah. But like many product testers and test pilots and such people,

they you know, they often had patchy results. Sometimes they got killed or maimed or hurt. But but doubt and so that's why there were a lot of coyotes. Uh. And one of the one of the theories behind this is that the coyote, and like I said, never talks in the road Runner cartoons, but in the Looting Tunes universe. Actually why the coyote appeared in some other cartoons. He's very well spoken, yeah, and he speaks quiet. It speaks a lot and yeah. Yeah, and he's very well spoken,

obviously a smart animal. So why is he not talking in the road Winner cartoons? Well, probably because it's just you know, less intelligent sort of product testers. Ye had done dunderhead coyotes stud you know, out there from out there in the sticks. And another thing is that in the cartoons, the coyote, why the coyote is always coming back from the dead. Well, I'm sorry, that's not possible. Yeah, so this is a new theory. Yes, we're off of

product testers. We're still in the same theory. The cad is a genius and there were just many coyotes and that's why, of course it had to be a bunch of different coyotes. Why are we saying maybe he cloned himself. He could have possibly cloned himself, or it's just possibly they hired a bunch of coyotes, because I mean, let's face it, there's a lot of coyotes out there. Yeah,

and so, uh, that is that theory. And actually I think that the theory that he was the head of it have Acne is a better theory then the theory that the road Runner was ahead of Acne. Yeah, I believe, So, I really do although it's not air tight. I got to admit there's a few holes in it. Yeah, you know that this behavior in other crossover appearances. Yeah, and then he had that. There was that one where he's he's trying to get the sheep and the sheep guy

keeps beating the stuffing out of him. Yeah, yeah, that was I think that was earlier his career, before he actually you know, he was working his way through college and got himself in the NBA and the red muff or the red stripe in front of his eyes. Yeah, they would clock in the morning Morton Ralph Warner pread. It's a classic okay, oh yeah, I'm off course here, What am I saying? There's another theory out there, which is that neither one of them is actually head of ACNE.

But these cartoons take place in a post apocalyptic nuclear waste land. Which, Yeah, when did the cartoon series start. I believe forty nine. I think I started nine and ran to sixty six. So we're talking to war. Yeah, we're talking to totally nuclear scared time. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, uh and uh, you know, as I already said, the cartoons were set in Arizona. Appears actually in Monument Valley, Arizona, popular tourist destination, and yet you never see a car,

you never see a human being ever. It's totally deserted. It's mad max land out there. Another pro in this series that the kindy sees desperate for food. He wants that road run are really bad. But if there were still people around, I mean, there'd be a lot of leavings, a lot of scraps, a lot of garbage posts to go through things like that. Apparently those don't exist anymore

because people are gone. They've been exterminated by nuclear war. Interesting. Yeah, Well, and another thing is that the road runner, as you know, runs abnormally fast in these cartoons, because in real life and actual the actual top speed as far as I know of a roadrunner is twenty six miles an hour. That is the top d record for a roadrunners to record for about forty miles an hour I've heard. Yeah,

top record for like a missile is much faster. Yes, And so you sort of wonder if maybe the effects of radiation have caused the mutation to make you super speedy road runners, or maybe just our one at least is abnormally fast because he's practically supersonic. Yeah, And then of course we've got the Kyote and south of Coyote is standing on two legs, you know, and he's actually like, you know, ordering stuff from Acne and assembling and doing

all kinds of sophisticated stuff. Maybe once again, radiation does amazing things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so of course one of the cons of this as well, if it's a post apocalyptic world, then how can Acne Corporation exists and

how can it be ordering stuff from them? And what I think, what I believe actually is happening here is that he's picked it through the remains of this wasteland and just finding Athne products and adapting him at his quest to kill the road Runner or road runners, and the whole thing is just he's actually kind of delusional

about that. He wants human civilization to return, he wants the world to go back to the way it used to be, and so he's actually, even though he's finding these products, he's got this dreamlike delusion going on in his head that it's actually he's ordering them and they're being delivered to him by some human being. But actually no, he's just picking them off a trash pile or taking them off out of somebody's house or use yea. Yeah, so you know Wiley Coyote, the original Wally. That's why

they both have E in their name. Yeah, Wally Wild. Yeah, good point. You guys like that one or not. It's kind of sad and helpless, Yeah it is. Yeah, Okay, let's move on to the next one, which is even more sad and hope sweet. Yeah, this is a popular one out there on the on the inner webs. This one is that while the coyote is in Hell, I

like this one the most. Yeah, and so in this in this particular interpretation of the universe, the first episode of the series actually did take place on planet Earth, and of course, as always, they dies because he always dies multiple times. Yeah yeah, and then all the rest of the episodes after that took place in Hell, even though you can't tell, but well a kind of like yeah,

apologies to our Arizona listeners. That as to why he was sent to Hell, I guess the feeling is that because he tried to murder the road Runner, you know, which apparently is a sin just awful. Maybe he's just maybe it's just a terrible, or maybe it's maybe it's that whole you know, No, dogs don't go to heaven, so yeah, yeah, that's it. So they got to go to hell. Yeah yeah, I just love it. He shows up knock knock, st Peter go to Hell. Yeah, yeah, scat So poor guys got to go to hell. YEA,

love me a good St Peter joke. I've got a lot of them, but we'll do that later, okay. Yeah. So the pros in this theory, uh, well, the setting as it's a scorched, blazing hot desert which they never can escape, you know, they never leave the desert. Yeah, and they both, I mean they both apparently have the means to get out of there. I mean, the road Runner can move super fast, so it could escape, but

it doesn't. He's the Chayote is smart enough to figure out how to order stuff from ACNE, so you can probably score a map and figure out a place to go where you know, there's a little more foliage and it's not so hot, and yet he can't. It seems like, yeah, yeah, you know what I was about to say, Well, there's there's at least one, if not more episodes where he's gone up into the mountain into the snow, but he's freezing and I was like, okay, well that's very hell

like those. You go from one extreme of discomfort to the other extreme of discomfort, from cooking alive to freezing alive. He's also, you know, kind of stuck in this mortal loop. Yeah, you know, it's kind of like ground. Literally, his entire life is just caught up in failing in like horrendous ways to yea to achieve his goal, which I think is kind of like his goal is, yeah, exactly. His goal is always with hell from him is his dream. He's always chasing his creature. You can never catch it.

He's always pursuing this dream that he will never realize. This is this one actually explains the one thing I've been waiting for you to explain in the road Runner series, which is the painted tunnels. Yeah. He paints the tunnel with the road going through, and the road Runner soon goes through it and he goes into it exactly. So the normal rules of physics and everything seem to apply

in this place. Well, so what you're saying is the road Runner is Satan or Satan's Asian or something, but a Satan can't actually inflict pain in hell on everybody he's got, he definitely get needs assistance. It's also Satan can do a lot, but he can't run that fast. Have you seen those homes? Well, and here's the other thing. I mean again, as I mentioned earlier, the road runner in the cartoons runs unnaturally fast, faster than they actually

ever do in real life. Well and faster than the rocket and you know whereas in real life usually kyote you can out run a road runner. Yeah, but yeah, that explains something. And of course, on the last of all, the Kyote can't die. Have you noticed that every time he gets killed he comes back. He never actually dies though. That's the thing is like he falls down and you see the when he hits the bottom of the cliff or the chasm, and then there he is bandaged up

but somehow still a Yeah. So it's it's one of other either he just cannot be killed or he dies. But then like in Groundhog Day, like Blue Marine ground On Day, the next day he wakes up and crap, I'm back in hell, you know, And and so yeah, I'm which level of hell is he on? And Dante's scale, Yeah, yeah, he's on the Arizona level. Yeah, not to put down Arizona. It's a fine place. And so there's there's a health here that's a popular one. You know. It's funny a

lot of cartoons have a health theory out there. This is besides the three that we're talking about today. I was casting about for others and it's amazing how many hell slash purgatory theories there are out there for different cartoons. Yeah. Well, because you know, all of these creatures really kind of are going through hell. Well, I mean, even the ones that are of with human cartoon characters like ed Ed and Eddie, that there's a theory that they're in hell.

I mean, it's it's weird. It could be supposed to be a parable of death as well. So I have a theory that we're in hell right now because it's so bleeding hot in here. It's not that bad. Well, let's move on to our next and last theory for the road Runner. Yeah, for our Roadrunner Coyote cartoons, and that is uh. And that is that the cartoons were actually a creation of the Arizona Department of Tourism and UH.

And the reason they did it is that they were afraid that tourists who had small children or babies would be concerned that about the dingle wait my baby scenarios, you know, and you know, young mothers and what little babies worrying that they were gonna be carried up by

the coyotes and stuff. And so they made these blatant propaganda films that essentially portrayed the coyotes as harmless and just incredibly incompetent, and that they can't even catch and kill a freaking road runner, even with all kinds of tech to back them up, they can't do it, you know, sort of a reassuring thing for potential tourists. Yeah, I prefer that they're in hell like But here's some of the plus is here for this seria. It is set in Arizona, as we said, and it's set Arizona's face.

It is a fairly big place, but it's set in Monument Valley. Yeah, at least I seem to recognize some of the landmarks. And uh, and yet you'll probably find actually more coyotes in like the suburb of Phoenix and outlying areas around Phoenix. So why isn't it set there that would be just as passable? Really? Well, but I mean think about when it started is that Phoenix was not nearly as sprawling of a city then as it

was now. There was a hell of a lot more open desert space, and the coyotes weren't in town because people weren't in their space. Well there was, I'm sure they were still in the periphery of town. But but my point is that it's not a coincidence. I think that they picked one of the most scenic, most touristy

places in Arizona to to enact their little drama. The Department of Tourism obviously wants tourists to come there, so they I only send us this thing out saying, hey, you know, the dingo ain't going to eat your baby by the way, you candy is too stupid. And also, hey, look at this fantastic scenery. Don't you want to come to Arizona. And so I think it was just, yeah, just basically they propaganda by the Department Tourism. Uh. And

so those are our theories. And there's one more roadrunner mystery actually, which is and then and this mystery is why did they do it? But let me tell the story first. And and a movie came out in ninety nine called The Villain, starring Arnold Schwarzenegger and Kirk Douglas, and it is. It's actually it's not a cartoon, it's

actually a film movie. And and essentially it's a rip off of the road Runner Coyote movies, starting with Arnold as essentially as the Roadrunner and Kirk Douglas as the Coyote. You're kidding, it's hard to believe that's the mysteries. Who thought this was a good idea. It's just I want somebody obviously did they made. I think he came out in seventy nine, and so that was early Schwarzenegger when he made I was gonna say, Marty was he was Mr. Universe at least once, if not twice at that point,

like he was gold. Oh yeah. And and he made in his early career some frankly horrible movies, I mean truly terrible. Yeah, they dubbed him his his speaking voice was so unintelligible, at least at least one they did. Yeah. But anyway, this one's great if you can find it on Netflix or whatever. It's called The Villain stars Schwarzenegger and Kirk Douglas, and boy, it's so bad, so bad. I mean it's so bad, it's good, it really is.

How Yeah, you know, rent it and have your friends over, get some beers, have a party and just laugh your laugh yourselves silly, because boy, it's bad anyway. But that's off the topic. That's about it for my cartoon conspiracies for the Coyote and the Roadrunner. Right, yeah, so what do you guys want to talk about now? Well, I have one, Well, of course I do. This was this

was the three story thing that we agreed on. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I noticed that my stuff got bumped to the end, like you were going to try and cut me up, But no, no, not. My theory is all based around none other than Scooby Doo the the the cartoon that formed the majority of my my personality. I'm pretty sure, because I'm pretty my personality. I mean, I've always identified with this show through my entire life. I love this show.

But obviously a lot of people did. Yeah, well, and you know the funny thing is is that, well, you know, we should probably do this because we have to do this in the beginning of each of these is that for anybody who grew up under a rock and doesn't know who Scooby Doo is like seven you know some like we have young listeners. Oh yeah, yeah, so they're not under a rock, they're under their parents thumb. Yes.

So Scooby Doo is a cartoon. It was originally released in nineteen nine by CBS UH and was made by Hannah Barbara, who at that time basically created just about every cartoon that was out there. Yea and the Jetsons and Huge. If you go to their website, it is just amazing the number of shows that they have. There's an interesting Hannabarbara universe theory out there too, so I'm not surprised by this at all. Um. So, the Scooba Doo Show has a cast of characters that is very

similar to the cast of characters on this podcast. And by that I mean that they go out and they solve mysteries every week. Kink and we have a dog. Yeah, well we have two cats close enough. And Joe identifies with Fred, but it's mostly because of the ascot that he's wearing all the time, like yeah, I like my askt um. So basically the gang is made up for those who don't know five members. There is Fred, who maybe is the de facto leader. There's Daphne, who is

the pretty one and was getting caught distress. She fills the damsel in distress. Yep, yep. There's Velma. She's the smart one and the skeptic. She's skeptical about everything, specifically the supernatural. And then there's Shaggy. He's the tall, goofy guy who loves food and is constantly scared of everything. And of course the namesake of the show, Scooby Doo, who is a great Dane and like Shaggy, is scared of just about everything and absolutely loves food and in

particular his Scooby snacks. Scooby Snacks that's like a little chocolate bars you get out of the letter box. No, No, that that's Kitty Almand broken. It's a completely different snack. But the most important thing about Scooby is he can talk. Scooby can talk. Bro Raggy love Scooby. Search comes as no surprise that, just like all the other ones there are, there are conspiracy or fan theories out there surrounding the show, of course, and there are dozens, if not hundreds of them.

And I really paired the list down to what I would consider the two key the key theories out there. Yeah, yeah, they're the best ones. I mean, there's there's some fun ones. Like there's the author A Lee Martinez. I was reading his website. He actually came up with Scooby theories, which is really funny that he took the time to do that. We're not gonna include his, but that just gives you an idea of like Scooby is so prevalent and so far out there. So let's start with theory number one

of Scooby Doo. The first theories that Shaggy and Scooby are high from smoking pot. All the time, I thought that wasn't even a theory. I thought that was just accepted. Well, that's why I made it the first one to tackle here. So for people who may not have been in the know, like Devon and and just made that presumption. There's a couple of things you'll notice about Shaggy and Scooby. Like I said, they are always and I mean all he's hungry.

They are always always scared, almost to the point of paranoia. They will do almost anything though for a Scooby snack. Initially it's only Scooby, but eventually Shaggy gets in on the game, and we'll do things for Scooby snacks, which makes people think that maybe the Scooby snack is a euphemism for pot cookies. So that's this is following the stoner theory. I don't think you really need anymore. Probably don't need pot cookies. You obviously have not known people

who like to partake in the marijuana. Oh yeah, no, there's never there's never, there's never enough. It's just like the Twitter. The marijuana is just like the Twitter. The way we talk about these things. Okay, more descriptions about these two that make people think that possibly they're they're high all the time. Will they laugh and they giggle

a lot. They're very distracted and spaced out, so they're not paying attention, and then all of a sudden, you know, they realize where they are, which is very drug habit behavior. And don't forget that they travel around in a van called Mystery Machine that has huge hippi flowers painted on the back sides of it. So that's you know, if this is a nineteen seventy cartoon. These are all things that make people think, well, it's gotta be that they're

all about drugs. Do you think do you think that the Jack in the Box Stoner commercial was kind of an homage to Scooby Doo. I don't remember that commercial. That's the one that's Jack in the Box. If you haven't heard of it as a fast food place, everybody was Jack in the Box. Yeah, apologize they have they have a drive through and there's this span city of the drive here and this this this voice because sir, sir,

would you like to order? And as a stoner kid behind the way, oh, I don't know what to order? And suddenly the Jack in the Box doll on on the dashboard starts talking to Oh, yeah, I might want to try the breakfast taco. Oh yeah, great idea. How many should I get and inject this thirty? That's what I was thinking. That's a that's a great commercial. But I don't know if it was an homage to Scooby or this week's episode brought you by Jack in the Box. Yeah,

a little product placement there. So there's some other things that make people think that they're totally they're totally pot heads. So there's the fact that whenever the van drives away, there's a big cloud of smoke behind it. If you've ever seen that they do that that full rear van drive away scene and there's always a big cloud of smoke. Also the way that Shaggy talks like zongth man. Yeah, like the like stereotypical stone or talk. He does have

that that speech pattern. Yeah, I think this came out first in nineteen nine. Okay, the Rich series ran sixty nine and seventy. I think it was twenty five or twenty six episodes total between the two the two years about when Mary Jane was becoming very popular. I think it was a little after that. But but oh, here's the other thing that really gets everybody thinking that maybe Shaggy is high all the time, because you know what

Shaggy can do that nobody else can. He can understand Scooby, like Scooby Doo points, you know, the pointer dog action. He'll do that and the other characters get where he's pointing at. But Scooby talks to Shaggy and he doesn't, and it the first the first seasons ever talk to anybody else. So people have said, well, okay, well obviously it's this entire thing. Is the pot induced hallucinations of

Shaggy induced hallucinations. Well, I never smoked enough pot. I guess I've never talk Yeah, I talk to dogs all the time, but not not. I've never had them talk back to me. Yeah, exactly. So this, this whole thing sounds pretty convincing on the outside, except there's some giant flaws in it because of the fact that, um, you know, the show, like we said, made in the late sixties. It's based on teenage personalities of that era. So there's a bunch of stoner kids running around that would explain

why Shaggy acts the way he does. And yet you've got Yeah, and yet you've got Fred and Daphne and Velva who were kind of, you know, their prudes. They would never take partake in that. But here's the big reason that probably the whole stoner thing is not right. The guys at Hannah Barbera in conjunction with CBS, have gone on the record many many times and said, this is not what's happening. There's a gentleman. His name is

I really hope I don't mess this up. I wo Takamoto, and he is a an animation legend in his own right. He worked at Disney starting in the mid four eeas, and eventually he went to Hanna Barbera in sixty one and he was involved in guads of cartoons that were

from that time frame. But he has said that the idea for the show was to make a very wholesome show that had no violence and nothing that was considered to listen, if you ever think about when you watch Scooby Doo, have you ever seen a gun in those first two seasons. No, you never see anybody punch anybody. That's why Fred comes up with these goofy contraptions for Shag and Scoop to lead the monster into where it's you know, this Rube Goldberg device that eventually nets them

or you know, catapults him away. It's because there's no actual violence taking place. That was the design of the show was to not have that happen, so to work in a there's no violence anymore. But that's why the idea of them them working in like an inside joke that two of their characters was high doesn't fit in.

There's also the issue of Fred Silverman. He is he was one of the studio execs a CBS, and he was really really involved in the show, and he was pretty straight laced and would either have had to been complicit, which people have said there's no way he would have been, or he would have had to been obscenely unaware of what was going on in the show, which which was also very unlike to be completely unaware of what is

going on in the show that he's producing. It sounds like this theory actually predates the Internet, believe it or not. Oh yeah, oh yeah, no. I I grew up. I remember as a kid my parents laugh thing about the fact that they thought that Shaggy and Scooby were on were smoking dope. I mean, it's been around forever. I hear, I hear your backup, I hear your evidence, but I choose to disregard all of it. Really, do you think there were stoners? Yeah, totally they were stoners. Yeah, I

don't know. I think that I think that Shaggy is just an idiot. I think he's a stoner. I mean, I'd be probably tripped and hit his head a couple of too many times running away from monsters. I think that's what it is. You can think that you and I think it was a stoner, but well before I totally come down totally on the side of that. What's your other theory. Oh well, yeah, no, I do have, but he's completely different. But it's not totally incompatible either.

No it's not. No, that is true. They are not mutually exclusive. But I'll go ahead and you can continue to poo poo and call my favorite characters in the world potheads. Go ahead. Yeah, I will not be over here crying look at that. You didn't do it. I'm just I'm just over here wondering if you're just saying that people like you're just saying, oh, making them stoners means that you can't like them as characters. And no, no,

not at all. I mean Jay and Silent Bob are obscenely popular and they are notoriously stoned all the time, So characters could be doing whatever is going on. But I don't believe that Shag and Scooba are truly on the Sheba she That's what I haven't heard before. Is this read for madness? Like what's happening here? Oh my gosh, okay, let's hear about your other theory. Yeah, let's not talking about drugs anymore. Oh, and I want to stay just for our younger listeners. By the way, this is not

constitute an endorsement of not at all, not at all. Yeah, and after and after one you're going to get p tested at work, so you shouldn't do it then either. So yeah, you're pretty much screwed. But that's okay. It's a rated. Don't worry about missing it. You're not missing out there. Yeah, okay, let's go on to Scooby Doo theory number two. This theory, which is really kind of a big one, And I have to tell you this is one of those you read something on the internet

and then you have that mind blown moment. This one does that for me. And the theory says that the entire cartoon from the original sixty series took place in a country where a major economic crisis had happened, and the entire country is in an unprecedented depression, so necessary they're all not just riding around in the band, they're

kind of living in it. Yeah, that's that's that's kind of an unstated fact here, Yes, and there's this story has got some legs or this theory, I should say, because if you ever look at where the gang goes, they're always run down places, they're always abandoned places, they're always the crappiest places. In the world. I mean, for God's sakes, they went on vacation once and they ended up in a deserted lodge in the mountains. I guess

I just always thought that's because they were like broke teenagers. Yeah. No, no, this is this whole theory says that everything is run down and nothing is being maintained because nobody has the money to do that. Everybody is focused on making some money to get some food, because that's really what matters. If this, and that's why Shaggy and Scooby are always starving. Yes, exactly, okay, okay, but you never do you ever see them like breaking

into cars and stealing stuff? No, you don't, because because they're wholesome. Oh is that it? Okay? I'm sure, yeah, but you know if you have But no, no, no, he actually Shagging Scoobs steal food all the time, because if you ever see them walk into someplace and there's food on a table, they begin to immediately shovel it into their faces without asking if it's okay, technically stealing. They're they're starving, so it's not stealing, is that what

you're saying. No, I just like they like walk into the resort and there's food, and they're like, oh, yeah, no, I'm not a resort. They like they go to the Oh well, there's the haunted mansion up on the hill, and they go there and there's a whole palette of cakes and those two will just dive in, you know, without ask No, no, ghost cakes are the worst. You're hungry. Twenty minutes later. Okay, so but let's let's stop and let's think about the villains in the show. Because if

you ever look at the villains, they're always monsters. They're always they're pretending they're masquerading as monsters and ghosts and all these other things. But if you ever looked at the motive at the end of the show of what they're actually after, because what they're actually after his money. Yeah, there are a total of villains in the original series. Twenty three of them are trying to steal land or

money or smuggle something to make money. Now there's some others in there that do it for like semi petty reasons. Let's see, there was winning a contest. Oh now, this is kind of this. Could you could see it in this environment getting back at someone for getting fired because you know how hard it is to get a job and a depressed economy. Um, let's see what else is there. Oh, and then there are two of them who did it

because they were trying to land a job. Oh and then one one guy you know why he was doing what he was doing because he hates robots, because you know what robots do, take your job? Take your job job? Yeah, stupid Bender. I was actually just thinking about there's the episode of Futurama where they do It's that's it's like we're doing right now. It's a three part episode, and they have one where they are they do Scooby Doo and it's hilarious. Bender is Scooby? I got to speaking

of other great cartoon takeouts on Scooby Doo. South Park did a great Scooby Doo episode. Is that the one with corn? Yes? Yes, yes that was what there was their Halloween episode. It was Yeah, that was a good one. Well let's get back. Um. I was talking about the villains. Okay, all of our villains. They're actually there. They have pretty oh god, what's the word, and they have impressive skill sets. They're fairly educated, like they should be if they were

normal people in a normal world. They should be doing good enough that they don't have to pull these con jaws. Well, yeah, some of them. Okay, so it's a mixed bag here, but I'm just gonna read through the list of occupations of our villains. Hypnotist, magician, stunt man. All people who really they can make decent money, normal environment, they can make decent money, should be able to hypnotize people to just hand over their wallets. Well he was, that was

the problem. There were three different character villains that had PhD s. There was one that was a master painter. He was forging paintings. Uh. There was the boat repair man, which that's a that's a pretty good uh industry. That's where he was he was what was he doing, he was stealing them under fog. Yeah, you had the pirate ship I think is the one. And then there's two lawyers, which honestly lawyers. That's not surprising at all. That's just

normal behavior for lawyers. Just kidding everyone, But you know, I mean, all all combined, it explains why the universe of the nineteen late sixties early seventies universe that these kids are in, why it's so screwed up, and why they're doing what they do. I really really like it because it explains why the whole show is so screwy. Perhaps, I mean that's a maybe. Just like in the road Runner Coyote thing, they were actually living in a post

apoc elliptic world. Could yeah, okay, so maybe yeah, Well, I mean that's I mean, you know, you can exchange post apocalyptic and depressive eras. Those are pretty go pretty hand in hand. Just like the Wily Coyote. There is actually health theories out there for Shaggy and Scooby, believe it or not. There's a bunch of them which is disturbing and we're not going to talk about about like that, no, but but very very similar to the road Runners. Yeah. Interesting,

and that's all I got. Okay, But I would say they're probably both too, because if it's sipping in the middle of a huge depression like that and you're living in a van, you're probably gonna want to get high. So yeah, I was thinking it's called self medication, self yeah, finding it, affording it. Well, if you've ever seen have you ever either of you ever watched the show Ze Nation.

According to z Nation, in a post apocalyptic world, everybody begins growing weed, That's the one thing that is a common courtesy is Weed's probably exchange Yeah, Ali and Hatcher zombie fighting capabilities. It's called yea interesting. Okay, well, now that we're done talking about Weed. Are many many cartoon conspiracies. We started researching this episode, I had no idea how many they were. Okay, so we're going to ignore Steve a little more. Um uh, So we are going to

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