Thinking Sideways: Baigong Pipes

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the answer too. Welcome to Thinking Sideways. I'm Devin, I'm Steve, and I have an interesting thing to talk about today. What kind of a conundrum sort of thing. Well, get started. It's a little bit of a mystery. Um So in rural China, in a location that is widely considered to be uninhabitable, by humans. There are three openings into a mountain called Mount by Agog by a Gong by Gong

that contain hundreds of very out of place artifacts. So this is out of place artifactory, out of place artifacts story, you know, out of place artifacts story is so out of place artifacts are really really unusual or found in really improbable contexts, things like the crystal skulls of Mexico that they referenced in the Indiana Jones movies recently moved recently. There's an iron pillar in Delhi, India, And there's a the I can never say the name that mechanism that

they found in Greece that was sunk in a ship. Yeah. That one is supposed to be like an old clock or something that's like a really long time ago. Yeah, I can and I can never say the name. I'm sure they will talk about these future think they're all really really out of place artifacts. But so this one is Um. They're iron pipes, uh. And some of the pipes run deep into the mountain um and others run under a lake. Some of them run near a lake and they come through the cave system. They come through

the caves. Yeah, there are pipes that uh they Yeah, they run all over this little area here. Um. They're cleanly cut um, which indicates that they were used at one time and that they were man made. Okay, so they're just pipes. Well, they're just pipes. But archaeologists have dated them to a time when humanity was still trying to figure out fire. That's what five eight thousand years ago. Yeah,

that's longer than that, but still a long time ago. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think we figured out fire like more like a hundred thousand years ago or something like that. But so there, you know, and I couldn't find any dates. I looked at a lot of sites and all everything just references like when we were still basically Neanderthals. It says, as we're figuring out how to work fire, this is when this time, this is the time frame for these pipes.

And I remember reading about this that there was something about the it correct me if I'm wrong, Kevin, But isn't there stuff about the fact that Chinese government had done said they did all kinds of research, but then they never released their researching. Yeah, that was the dating. They never said what it was. Yeah, so there's a lot of controversy around these there's not a lot of data, and it's partially because it comes out of China. Ink.

The government has funded a lot of different research into these pipes, but none of the research has ever really been released, and they have allowed any foreign scientists and to have a look at these things. They're anoying. So the pipes according to tests carried out by a local smeltery. So how you say that word smelter. Smelter, I've never heard of a smelter, but maybe they exist somebody who specializes in these sort of things. It's it's a place

that makes iron. Yeah. Yeah, these pipes that they sent a sample to this place, they're made mostly of iron, but they have an unusually high um of silicon dioxide dioxide, which is what our manhole covers are made out of. All right, so that's the same percentage. However, it's a very odd mixture find in an era when we didn't really know how to make fire, even right a consultant energeologists, I mean, does this occur naturally, this particular mixture. Maybe

we'll get to that. Okay. A lot of people think that they're using that information to say that these are alien made. Of course, the aliens. Only one problem with that, and that's why would aliens be messing around with iron? You know, I think they make them out of titanium or plastic. Well, iron's easily found in earth. That's a good point, right, It's very easy to find. So you know the problem with these iron types is that if they are man made, it seems they may be they

were being made before. There's any way that we could be, you know, smelting irons. So they're not man made, they're alien made. Maybe that's that's that's one of the theories right here. They're not naturally occurring. I think it's what you're getting at. Well, there's a theory that says they are. Well what a let's you run with this. There are some theories about this too are scientific, and one is

the aliens theory are funny doing aliens? So but anyway, but you know, and by the way, I don't I don't mean we shouldn't, which a lot our listeners know that we're not saying that believing in an aliens is not scientific. No wrong with that. Yeah, it's it's a

go to answer. Very often. I think that one of the arguments that um one of my problems with the aliens theory is that it's it's really narcissistic of us as humans to say, well, aliens took such an interest in us that they've built all this stuff, you know, you know, but you know, actually, you know, they actually built in an area, in an area the world that's probably far away from where humans lived at that time, well, in an area that is inhospitable to humans. So the

other thing that it was an alien spa. Right, So the some of the things that add to this alien theory um are that, you know, the pipes travel below the lake bed, which again, we couldn't even figure out how to make fire. How are we going to figure? Yeah, well, and they go horizontally under there, so like you lay that, I mean, that's a that's an impressive feat. You know, even a hundred years ago, it's a pretty impressive feat

to be able to lay something underwater. How did they so it's actually not it's the one through the lake. They run under the bottom of the lake bed. So so did they use like ground radar to find this? How do they find that these they're all connected? How they follow they dig up the bottom of the lake. But you know, I don't know that. Yeah, these things are really small, so I'm guessing they scope them. So yeah,

that would be my assumption. So then they run parallel to the lake bed and then up into the mountain and through the mountain, and um they run vertically up all the way to the top of the mountain. Um where you know, as previously mentioned, up at the top of this mountain, it's humans can't live there, there's not enough anything. So like, how in inhabitable is this area? Like what's the local ambient temperature? I you know what, I don't know that information and I can't find it anywhere.

The same for the like the height of the top of the Yeah, I can't find any of that information, which is bizarre. Yeah. The only thing you know that comes up on searches of mount by Goong is these pipes. It's kind of annoying. Yeah, it's very there's probably some geology websites somewhere geography website, excuse me, that's that's actually

got the altitude of the mountain. But what I'm interested in finding out is like have they denity archaeological digs like on the top of the mountain where some hypothetical spaceport might have been to see if there's a remnant. Oh actually, yes, kind of maybe. The other thing that UFO ologists maintain about this being an alien sight is that there's a quote pyramid up at the top of the mountain. Um, you mean the peak of the mountain. It's not the peak of No, it's like offen the side.

And apparently nobody has ever tried to excavate this pyramid, which seems like highly unlikely, right as like, literally I could not find any information and nobody all the reports that I read, has said that there's maybe this pyramid up here. It might be natural, but nobody's ever done any research on it, which is bizarre to me given the amount of attention to these pipes. So there may be some information suppressation going on there. You know, it's China.

As far as I can tell, pretty much everybody agrees, even except for like the craziest of the crazy people. Pretty much everybody agrees that the pyramid is just like a natural formation on a mountain. You know, mountains get

weird formations all the time. The other thing that supports the alien theory is that there's a really big anecdotal history within the locals that the Biagogue pipes were created by aliens, that they these people ancestors were very frequently visited by aliens, and you know there you get a lot of those stories throughout history. Um. But you know they're weird stone carvings around the pipes and the caves

and they've been there for a really long time. And you know, if the local legend has it that it's been aliens, it's in Chinese. And I just have to take everybody's word for that's what they're saying. You know that it's not like a loose translation of what they're saying. It's not like people came from the sky. That they're actually saying beings from a different world came here. Okay,

maybe maybe maybe maybe it's aliens. Um. There are similar pipe like structures that have been found um from Jurassic sandstone in southwestern United States and some citronella formations in Louisiana that are generally linked to these pipes. So they're they're similar. Yeah, they are pipe like things. The similarity kind of stops there that they're like these hollow kind of pipe things. They're not made of metal, they're just kind of tubes through fossil So that leads me to no,

so that leads me to the scientific explanations. UM. One is that their fostlight cast of trees that were like brought in by flood and then incorporated into the stone, which it seems to be that the the quote pipes in Louisiana and the ones in the southwestern United States might actually be that those pipes are really like kind of twisty turvy like roots would be. They could very easily be, you know, fossilized roots, fossilized trees like you would notice in a tree. Um. So that was the theory.

And a scientist, a Chinese scientist who was sent in by the government, said he found fossils of tree rings also in the pipes. Then and then he said when they said, but you know, trees don't grow that straight and narrow because they're pretty little. Um, he said, oh yeah, no, I mean it was bamboo, but bamboo doesn't grow tree rings, so that doesn't totally add up, you know, and they're really they're really little and they're made of iron, so like, okay maybe and and and that was that was the

theory that I I didn't I hadn't seen that. When I did the research on this story, the first thing I thought was it had to be some kind of bamboo like plant that then shot a giant tap root or had that that had the bamboo had been covered and then absorbed minerals from around it. In course, bamboos naturally hollow. That was the first thing my mind went to, Yeah, bamboo ye does grow, which I think is a great theory, except for the tree ring the rings in yeah, he

said it was tree ring. He said that he found tree rings, which is like obviously not true, you know, And then scientists also say that, um, it's just like a natural formation, just like, oh yeah, that just formed naturally because it was a mix of silicon oxide and calcium oxide and just natural, which for me is like, okay, but do do natural formations Are they hollow like that usually?

And then also do they like form in so many like vastly different situations and so vertically and horizontally and connect you know, I think if I if it were just like, oh, there are a couple of pipes kind of around, that's one thing that there are hundreds of these things and they are pretty much you know, they run pretty true, like the cardinal directions. They run in totally different you know areas. They run vertically and horizontally and not like diagonally, not really just like with the

flow of anything. So yeah, so the theories. So there's the aliens, there's the tree rings or trees that got buried. Sound incredible natural formation, naturally formed somehow osmosis. Yeah wait, now wait, how big? How big your the biggest ones of these? Like, okay, so they're they're really they're not the biggest ones. Are that big and not that big? I think there there are some. Yeah, they're mostly like ten to forty centimeters. Well I'm sorry, we're in America.

Sixteen inches four to sixteen inches and the sixteen inches is like it's not little. So wait wait is that sixteen across or in circumference? I think it's across? Okay, so well six is yeah, okay, so that's some of our pretty big chunks of pipe that, yeah, and that. But so if if the ones that they find they're say sixteen inches across, do they stay that they stay that diameter the whole link the pipe. Yeah, so they're they're like a reddish brown like pipe, rusty pipe, rusty

like a rusty pipe color there. Uh. They range from two hundred and sixty ft long to like a hundred and thirty feet it's pretty long stretches of pipes. So what happens at the end of I mean, do they just stop? Do they just break? I mean, do we know? Because if we don't know that, I mean that that just is part of the course of this story, because there seems like there's so much a lot of information

that's not released. Yeah, it's probably pretty hard. I mean without actually digging them up, you know, and then training draining the entire lake and then digging them all up. It's like, yeah, so they find they find like rusty, strange, rusty scraps around these areas, and strange stones and stuff like that. I assume the ones that are preserved are the ones that are like under the lake, embedded in

the shore, are like in rock. If they are in fact a hundred thousand years old and they've been just like left to the elements, they're gonna corrode and just dissolve. Well, yeah, that's the thing they say. If it's full of iron, it should have rusted away a long time ago. So they seem really rusty. But you know, So I don't know what the I just thought. I just think these are really interesting. This is because that's front with right.

I mean, if we've talked about it, so many issues have come okay with it's piece of iron or rusting. You know, it's gonna rust away. And we've all dealt with a rusty pipe that's been in a house for let's say fifty years and things falls apart. They're stuck in the ground, the rust away, but they might be disappeared after a Yeah, I mean, you know, I guess the only thing is that they're embedded in rock, right,

so you kind of maybe they're better preserved. Maybe, you know, if they actually they would stay perfectly reserved until they're exposed to oxygen because yeah, because like you know, shipwrecks for example, Yeah, they're perfectly preserved until they bring out the bring them out to the surface, and that's when

the deterioration starts. Yeah. So I don't know that. I think the obvious answer is too he's always got no. I mean, the obvious answer to find out what's going on, it's just to send in archaeological teams and start digging around for other artifacts and the soil, because if the aliens popped in and laid this whole network of pipes, they had to have left a bunch of other stuff stones weird stones. And that's literally all the information that there is on those stones is that they just described

them as like weird stones. Like every single thing that you read, even though wiki like everything is just like oh yeah, and some strange stones are around there, it's just like, what, how are they strange? Like, yeah, really unhelpful. I've got to admit right now, this story frustrates me just because of the fact that we can't get any

information on Yeah, and it's one of those stories. It seems as if if we let people in there and we got some pros who could go in and spread whatever findings they had to the world, this whatever this is, would be solved and dead and gone. But instead, for cultural reasons, we don't hear any of it. Right, That's what's frustrated. It's it's so easy to just go find then the mysteries bigger than we don't know, But now we don't have to rely on me. Oh well that's

why we don't know. Yeah, absolutely, you know, And I think that um people are kind of satisfied with the misinformation because most people are just like, yeah, it's bamboo. It's clearly just fossilized bamboo. But you know, bamboo fossilized doesn't turn into iron, you know what I mean? Yeah, the other things. You know, I have never seen or heard of bamboo getting like sixteen inches and die it gets pretty big. Yeah, I guess big. I mean I've

seen that seen like like five six inch diameter. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know of it ever going to true tree proportion. Yeah. So I just think that it's yeah, it's it's really frustrating, and I think it's really interesting. And you know, they were discovered in the early two thousands, so, I mean it's been around for a while. At two thousand too, I think was the air that they ten years or so that we've known of their existence, as you know, it's spread to the

rest of the world to know about, right. But you know that it's frustrating because if they are that old, then there are some serious mysteries to be solved here. You know, they are definitely artifacts that are found around the world that are dated to be just incredibly old, to be you know, really past what we think humanity

was capable of that time. So you know, either our timeline of humanity is off, or our timeline of those things are off, or there's something else going on, and I I just want to know, you know, it's just it's a very interesting. Yeah, yeah, humanity. I mean, you know, ancient man was able to do some amazing things. Absolutely,

but you know, smell iron for pipes. Well, the thing about it is is like I'm not sure exactly Hell, this was I'm not sure exactly when man kind actually sort of moving out of Africa and into Asia and places like that, and it wasn't really that long ago, you know, So I mean I'd have to like go to you go out in the the World Wide Web to actually look that up. So this sounds like this kind

of predates that. Yeah, it does. Yeah, there are definitely some other mysteries that I'm sure we will do shows on that you know, kind of tie into the same theme of like things we've found that are really old that should predate human capability but are place object out of place artifacts artifacts. Yeah, but yeah, it is it is it is that you know, it is true though that I mean our whole arc and paleontagical history or whatever the hell it is about mankind and archaelogical history.

I mean we might have missed some major important clues and maybe mankind actually, some some really smart tribes actually moved out of Africa way before we thought if you would know about and maybe they know the flourished and built civilization. I mean they're copy I mean there's always that theory of the laws. Civilization is one group that left accelerated, but for whatever reason, died off and all

the knowledge that they had was lost. Because a lot of civilizations, because they didn't have writing that we know of, transferred all their their knowledge verbally and so when the last one died off, all that knowledge was gone and had to be rediscovered later on. In fact, for the day when Cleopatra was born, the pyramids were already years old. Whoa I didn't like just to like give a scope

of civilization. That's crazy. You don't think about that. And I you know, I think they were being built when she was an adult. What you will? Yeah, just like that. She was part of that. But another fun ancient already. Yeah, another fun fact speaking of that part of the world conscious pilot, you know, the conscious pilot. Do you know where he was born? Wait? Wait, can we back up? Yeah? Who is that ponscious pilot? He was the Roman governor

of Palestine when it when Jesus was what Jesus was crucified. Yeah, so, uh, ponscious Pilot's birthplace was Nope, Nope, none other than England because yeah, actually the Roman Empire extended as far north as brought about half of England's Yeah, and so he was born in England, believe it or not. That's yeah, And that's totally irrelevant to what we're talking about. I definitely do an episode of like weird fun So, yeah, I can print this one out and then we'll put

we'll pop it back in later. Uh. So, Yeah, if you speak Chinese or you know anything more, if you know anything more about the by Gong pipes, or if you know you know like how tall that mountain is or anything like that, please email us. Our email address is Thinking Sideways Podcast at gmail dot com. All of this information can be found at our website, which is thinking Sideways podcast dot com. Thanks Sideways, thanks for listening. Everybody's thanks thanks for listening. M