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know the answer too. Well. Hi there, I'm Steve, but three of us in a room and you got Thinking Sideways, the podcast show where we we tend to look at things they don't really have a clear answer, and then we try to figure them out and once again, believe it or not, we've got another one. Anybody else surprised. No, not really. You wouldn't have called this meeting unless you

had something right in the studio. Yes, it's very very true. Well, this week I've got quite an interesting one that I want to go over, which is v G in uh late and object was spotted in space coming towards our planet. It was initially described as a near Earth object, which is what a lot of asteroids and stuff are called. You know. Yeah, but we don't know if it's actually going to hit us or just kind of glad it's by.

Did you destroy the Earth? Obviously not. It was spotted by a guy named Jim Scotty, and Mr Scotty was tracking this angeo, as they referred to him, with space Watch, which is a telescope in kit Peak National Observatory which is in Arizona, uh. And it was kind of he founded by accident, to be quite honest. Evidently the range that they look at he had for some reasons at the telescope lower than normal and just happened to catch

this thing coming up. My understanding of what is is that actually they used these software to pick out anomalous things that are moving against the background. So he actually it wasn't a telescope, but the software he set the range for the software that wut my head around it. There's a lot of science e stuff and this one, ladies and gentlemen, and I've been struggling through this for weeks to get my head around it. But thank you, Joe,

I appreciate that. So he spots this thing, and like I said, he called it an n e O and they named v G and they didn't know what it was, but they thought it was gonna it was gonna hit the planet. When it was first spotted, this thing was point zero zero three one AU away from the Earth, and AU is an astronomical unit. Okay, Like I said, there's a lot of science in this one. Here's how they make these generalizations so that it's not a gazillion

gazillion gazillion miles. They say, what's the distance from the Earth to the Sun on average, and that's one unit. So when you break that down, how closes it. It was point zero zero three one astronomical units, which means it's you know, three hundreds of the distance from the Earth or from the Earth to the Sun. The way that I got yeah, yeah, it was. It was super

far away. Actually, it was Uh, it was a proximately two million, forty six thousand miles away, so just as hard to say, and then approaching us, yes, and approaching us. But he figured it was an asteroid. But as he started watching this thing, he noticed that it was winking, as they say, meaning that every seven and a half minutes it would flash and then go dark, and then

flash and go dark. So time goes by, and this thing is doing what an asteroid wouldn't normally do because if you think about something that's spherical in space, it should have light on it on a relatively consistent basis, not turning on, turning off. But this thing was doing that, which is weird. When they did the analysis of it, they figured out this thing was approximately ten ms across, so about thirty ft across, which isn't really big, especially

for space. Yeah, it's it's some something in space. It's not that big. Okay, we can we can deal with that. And they would classify it as a S class meteor based on its size. If it was larger than that, I guess it was a C class, but S class meteors don't have this reflective quality to them. Plus I think it's the way their shape is. Are there any other examples of S class meteors like famous ones. I'm sure there are, but I didn't pull any for my research.

One thing about the way they guestimated its size is by the amount of light it was setting in our direction. And that's based on the average reflectivity for your average meteor your average meteoroid, and things aren't very reflective, yes, in other words, not so. In other words, it's it's based on that, on that particular assumption that they made. So it could have been five times as large but less reflective, that's true, or smaller and more reflection, half

the size but superf right. But the thing is, the reflectivity of it was what caused all the hubbub, because it's nature was to reflect light in the same manner that a rotating satellite would, in other words, a metallic object would. So it's got a dark side, it's got facets on it, and so they pick up and they all shine the light back at once, and then they go dark because it's spun around. So in other words, it couldn't be a sphere. It's got to be something

with some kind of sharp angles. And and actually some some meteoroids and asteroids are not actually spherical. A lot of them. A lot of them are like just brick shaped and they rotate. Yeah. Yeah, this was actually that one of the things that I think I was reading about in the maybe it was in the research maybe when when I was doing some research. But they're talking about how a lot of things we call asteroids or

meteors are actually just big glumps of stuff. It's not like one rock, right, it's like a big massive debris or whatever. Yeah. The way that gravity affects that then is it pulls it into this kind of monolithic structure more than a sphere, because you know, when it's rotating, it's got like a side that's being pulled more. And then it rotates more and there's a side that's being pulled more. Like Plato in space, essentially it stretches and

pulled ye, it moves around. Yeah, so that's I mean, you know, that was the thing they were talking about that happens sometimes in space. But I don't know that that really explains the reflective quality, the more reflective of some sides than others, although I guess if you know, one side had more whatever kind of rocks that are super reflective maybe, but crystalline rock side yeah, or if it's got its a is an irregularly shape thing and it's got a flat side. That's that when I'm one

it rotates around suddenly that flat side is illuminated. Word yeah, yeah, So yeah, there's there's a lot of very simple answers for this thing. The one thing that caught everybody off guard was the reflectivity and the way that it rotated and was akin to a metallic object that wasn't. That looked more like it was a pre made shape rather than just some ho you know, happened upon shape random

rocks when it went by. So they found it it, like I said, in November of ninety one, and it got its closest to or October excuse me, and it got closest to the planet in November. They try they hit it with radar to try to get some some readings off of it or figure a little more out, but I'm guessing that there was some kind of interference. They didn't get good data from it, and then it went on about It's mary Way and is now somewhere. It's gone in space on its orbit and we're not

going to see it again. Until now can you describe the orbit of it, because right now I'm picturing that it's like a like a Hailey's comment situation where it's on some weird kind of you know, mumrangs around the Sun, goes out to like Pluto and comes back and situation, and you know, we intersect with it once every it is. It's on a heliocentric orbit, which means that it is rotating around the Sun. And it's also on a orbital

access that is the same as our planet. So if you think about the orbit of the planet around the Sun as a plate, we always go the around the outside in the center of the plates the Sun. It's also on that same orbit. It's just a smidge farther out than we are. It's also going slower than we are, which is why we won't see it until the Earth was going faster, caught up to it and then raced ahead, and now we've got to go all the way around

until we catch up with it again. If you think about the way I thought about it is if you've ever seen two people on a track running and they're running at almost the same speed, but the person in the lead is a little faster and it takes them, in this case, sixteen and a half loops or revolutions of the track to get back to that other person's lap.

That's that's exactly it. We haven't lapped it again. But you know, I believe it's also something that somewhat out of the plane of the ecliptics my understanding of it, and the ecliptic is a plate that you were talking right, If you imagine that as a as a the orbits, that's called the ecliptic, and so otherwise we would be

seeing it probably more often than once a year. We're seeing it like once a year, almost the same revolution around the Sun as we are just slightly slower, so our distance is always growing and until we eventually catch up tunes. Yes, now it might be on a slightly different plane, but it's essentially the same. So that's my first kind of flag I guess is that I and you know, I don't know hardly anything about astro physics or what you know, whatever we call this space science.

I don't know anything about, right, you know, intuitively, you think if you're going to go on the same access as something the size of the planets or the whatever bodies are going to be about the same, right that they would orbit at the same kind of rate and the same distance from the Sun has to not be pulled in closer. And you know, I don't know that

that's true or not. It's just you know, in my like little pretty basic understanding of of space, planets get bigger as they go away from the Sun, right, not necessarily, yeah, but now they have to they generally, given mass, the closer it is to the Sun, the faster it will

have to move. So that's you know, that's my kind of thing, is that if this thing is that, if it's it's pretty small, it's like across yeah, So so for me for it to be in the same orbit and to be going about the same speed as us, I don't know. It just speaks of like a weird mass issue. But you know, I could be wrong. As I said, I don't really know anything about this stuff.

I think that it's it's mostly dependent upon getting caught in the orbit of the Sun and our solar system and just kind of brushed along if you think about there's inertia just keep going. Sure, But I guess the thing is right, you have to have a certain amount of mass to stay that far out in an orbit to not get pulled in not necessarily think about asteroid fields. It's more and more like that. It's more like the

speed of it than anything else. But but if it was an object that just sort of like sort of wanted it from interstellar space, it took up residents in the Solar System, it would be extremely unlikely that it would it would adopt I mean it would it would probably get start orbiting the Sun, but perfect I'm nearly perfectly circular orbit that mimics ours. That's extremely unlikely. And that's exactly is we never saw it before. Suddenly this thing appears and it looks as if it's not it

looks as if it was made. It's not a natural formation, and we just don't know anything. And that's the weird thing about it is nobody really knows what the heck this thing is. Uh. And there's there's a good number of theories running around about it, and some of them I think are plausible and some I don't. And unfortunately I've been able to shoot holes in just about every

one of them. But let's let's run through them. So the first one is what Joe was talking about, is that it's a random asteroid that just wanders into our Solar system and gets caught there is according to some research, there's a field of asteroids that are inner Solar System, and occasionally some of those do come out of there and they come into revolution around the Sun. The problem

is they're not on the same the same ecliptics. So if you think about if you've got you hold the plate and that's our orbit around the Sun, and then you take another plate, but you rotated several degrees, they're at a different angle to each other, so they're not in perfect unison going outwards like the planets mostly are from us. So that's part of the problem, is that those meteors or asteroids wouldn't be able to catch in

our orbits. It's also you know, it's even conceivable that there's that there have been some rocks just left over from the formation of the Earth and the Moon, and there's that kind of stuff tagging along with us and virtually the same orbit as us, but we didn't have the technology to detect them until pretty recently. Very true, and how how close did it come to us, like compared to the Moon, the miles was our million miles utter ninety thousand miles, which is about fifty thousand miles

beyond the orbit of the Moon, so it's close. We could have flown out and met it. How we known it was the well, so that was gonna be My other question is like, why did it get stuck in the Sun's orbit but not ours? Right, because it's smaller than the Moon and our gravity is pretty dang strong, so it's gonna orbit something, and it's like getting that close to us. Well, here's the here's the other problem with the It's a random bit of space rock. Its

orbit is a little eccentric. In other words, it's unstable. So if you when you look at celestial bodies, you look at them in terms of millennia, how long can it go? And it's been there for eons and eons, this thing is unstable. Based on when we passed it nine one, Evidently they detected fluctuations in its orbit, which means that the gravitation of the Earth and the Moon

themselves through it's pitch off a little bit. So in the long run, if it's been there forever and ever, it should have already hit the Earth or the Moon. Because we were gone someplace, messed up it's orbit enough by passing it ninety one that we could tell that we threw it out a loop a little bit. So you know, in that grand scale that we look at things in space, we basically should have re ended it all.

And really, to be fair, I mean, it's close enough that even you know, sixteen years before our stuff was sophisticated enough that we should have been able to see it then too, right, we could have, But you've got to remember that sixteen years prior this, nineteen seventy five, our science is not that good. Most of what we were observing in space was done by the human eye. And the sky is a huge area. What is it set looks at the sky constantly and they're able to

watch three. Yeah, but if something passes that close, you kind of think, yeah, I think the I think the real the real key to that, it's actually finding a little bit of objects buzzing around of spaces. It really is computers and the signals process. Because there's so much up out there, and you know, so you gotta have you got It's really hard to detect something that's blinking every seven and a half minutes. That's true when you're

just panning across. Oh there's a bright spot, keep going, and then you come back and you don't really realize that it's gone or you don't notice it turned back on. That's fair, all right, that's fair. So my whole poking isn't as effective as yours apparently. Yeah. So anyways, so that's the asteroid theories asteroid theory. So the next theory is that it is man made space junk. Oh yeah, like refuse from our everything we've ever put into space.

Dang near that didn't come crashing back down is still up there. Ye yeah, yeah, there's only there's not that many things that we that we put into space that have actually achieved escape velocity. And so there's not that many of those put we know where they're at. It's mostly either still in orbit around the planet or it's

crash back down Earth exactly. So there is a one piece of research that I really really liked um and it talks about the fact that, yes, if the v G is manmade, that would explain the reflective quality of it, because it's a chunk of a rocket, it's a flat piece and everything we had we put up obviously as metallics and it's gonna reflect light and spin. Simple solution. So like I said, like we said, there's there's a ton of that junk that we just spewed into space

and it's floating up there. Uh well, if it is manmade again, obviously it makes sense that it's gonna wink on and off as it spins, because typically they're relatively flat shapes or they're around and cylindrical. And so that this all makes sense, it simplifies it. I found some fantastic research by a guy named Dr Duncan Steel. He's an astronomer. He at the time was really a researcher at the Anglo Australian Observatory. And yeah, he's a he's

a research fellow at the University of Adelaide. So this guy is he's made his marks. So he's and he's known as being very critical of a lot of things. He's pragmatic, he doesn't just jump to conclusions. But he did a time, he did a bunch of research in a bunch of math on and here's what he came

up with. He calculated the gravitational orbit of and this is again with his best guest information from when it was first absorbed observed to when we lost it, and he tracked that back and he's one of the ones that figured out that we're going to see it in sixteen and a half years approximately, So he took that time scale and he rolled it back, which means that it would have gone by us in and it would have gone by us in late nineteen fifty eight. So if it is space junk that we put up there

should from one of those two time frames. Okay, Well, nothing in the fifties was big enough, and almost every piece of junk that we put up there was small, and almost every piece of it came right back down to the planet. And I get in the late fifties, I don't think we ever achieved any escape pity, so again,

it all came home. So we're pretty sure it can't be any of that made John, Yeah, which means seventy five we did put up some things, which you know, he said, it's possible that it was a part of Helios one, which went into orbit in nineteen seventy four, and it could be the rocket fragments from that, or it could be part of Vera nine, which was the rocket from Vera nine which was sent to the probe itself, I guess was sent to Venus or out towards Venus

in nineteen seventy five, so we speculated it could have been part of that. But the time frame he's saying it should have come by us in nineteen seventy four, So this doesn't really work out all of these launches. Nothing that was big enough went up in nineteen seventy four to then get knocked into orbit. Problem. When was the last last Apollo launch? The last Apollo launch was in the late seventies, and the Apollo launches will come into into play here in a couple of minutes. We're

definitely gonna talk about those. But other than the Apollo launches, there was nothing big enough in that time frame that could have been knocked into orbit and therefore be I guess though. I so for me, I kind of think

how stable is its orbit? Right, because we were kind of talking about you know, it goes a little wonky, when a little wonky when it came past us, and if it was our space junk, maybe it was moving faster, right, So it was like from more recent right, so the first time we quote passed it when it was basically launched from us, or we passed it, was it more recent and it went around that one time, but slowed down while it was going around because it hit our gravity.

Well yeah, and then so it would continue to slow down, so we wouldn't see it for another, you know, a couple of years. But I would make sense to me that perhaps it would be slowing down in its orbit. Potentially maybe, but potentially it's not stay in motion. Yeah. Plus they run into a lot of objects that bumped them around, and actually bumping them around is part of what Dr Steele was saying. Potentially it could be as if it was a chunk of a rocket that we

sent up. It could be that it was something that went into orbit that we launched into orbit around the Earth or the Moon or ourselves, and then it got thrown off by the gravity well or actually ran into the Moon and was kicked off into space and then just went bouncing around and got locked into orbit because

of that. So it should have been around us, but we accident, you know, the Moon accidentally bumped into it, or I mean, you know, or even this was you know, like a conglomerate of rocks and like whatever, and it encountered because it came close enough that maybe, like if something knocked something out, a piece of metal or whatever, and it got incorporated into this thing right as it was like everything was in perfect harmony, got knocked into

this thing. That's why we hadn't seen it really before. It wasn't being reflective because it didn't have our space junk in it yet. It may not have been spinning at that time. It may have run into some junk that. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It's again, that's you know, if it's man made, the numbers don't seem to fit well at least earthly manmade right, right, if it's earthly manmade. So let's move on to our next theory and the third theory. I didn't. I didn't never come across us

in my research per se. It just never really sprang up for some reason. But I did have a brief email conversation with Dr Steele because I wanted to. I wanted to get his take on it and try to get an opportunity to chat with him. And he wasn't interested in it because he is since he put out his paper, he changes his his thoughts on it. He's now of the group that believes that G is a part of Apollo twelve Saturn five rocket, specifically the third stage of the rocket, which is an S four B rocket.

So he said, well, now it's it's pretty conclusive to me that it's S four B and that's it, which makes sense because these rockets are pretty sticking big. And let me give you the background of what happened with Apollo twelve. They went up. When they launched Apollo twelve, the ship, I think it was hit twice by lightning on launch, which messed up a lot of their systems,

and they had some serious problems. They didn't know if they were gonna be able to continue the mission or if they're even gonna be able to make it home. They get into space, controls were all messed up. Eventually, ground control and the astronauts themselves they figured out how to make things work and they were able to get the stages to go to release and to send the lunar lander away, which eventually did land on the Moon. And there's all the photos in the world on the

internet to see that. What happened though, is that what NASA intended to do is in a previous launch, they had taken the third stage of one of the rockets, and they had crashed it into the Moon, and this time they wanted to go ahead and not crashing in the moon, but sended specifically into orbit around the Moon. When they went to do that, there was some miscalculation and yeah, they well they pushed it too fast. Yeah, Apollo twelve, as far as I know, it was, it

was a pretty There was not. There was not no problem with that mission. So it sounds like a confusing that with Apollo their team. No, no, no, no, Apollo twelve, they had a lot of problems at launch. Once they were up and they figured it out, they were able to get everything running. Thirteen is where they had some major issues. But twelve had some weird stuff in the beginning and this was all during the launch sequence. Once

they lifted off, systems went wonky. So sorry, Why did they want to put the thing in the orbit of I don't know. I don't know why they wanted to do that. I think it was to see if they could do it. I'm guessing. I think, yeah, I really think that they were just tacking around. I mean, either thing either goes and crashes on the Moon or that goes just off into space or whatever. Yeah, and they control thing. Yeah, let's see if we can launch it,

you know, and put an orbit around the Moon. Unfortunately, it burned too long when they were inventing the gases, and it shuttled out of the Moon's gravitational field and disappeared. According to the research that I've seen, it was in a semi stable orbit around the Earth and the Moon for a couple of years until it escaped our orbit in seventy one. So here's the easy way to think

about it. It gets kicked up, it circles us for a while, but it's orbits a little off, and then eventually it escapes the gravitational poll and then just goes and does its own thing in space. But how big are those Are they really that big? They're fairly large, but big, they're big. Their rocket mean, the thing about the rockets you see, you know, all the photos of Cape Canaveral when they're launching. That's a big chunk rocket. Yeah, it's just just the third stage, so it's the smallest

part of it. But it's actually but it's also the only part of the rocket that achieves escape blascity, so it is the only it's the only part of the rocket that's going to go in orbit around the Sun versus in orbit around the Moon. So scientists think that it's it's big enough to actually be this monolithic. Yeah, well, yeah, it's if it's ten meters across, it's about thirty feet aren't the Aren't those things painted? Yeah, they're painted white

and black, which there's another interesting fact to it. They're white and black. That explains the blinking. Yeah, that would the reflectivity of it. Plus, if it's a cylinder, it's not going to have a perfect rotation against us, so are they They're painted in lines black and white, so it would a check. Well, actually that's the stage actually,

I'm looking at a picture of it right now. The stage is actually painted pretty much all white, and then the bottom there's a cone at the bottom that flares out that makes up with the wider second stage, and that has painted white with a couple of black stripes. So you can see that cone right there that's black and white, and then the top of it has got

a white stripe around it. Also. Yeah, yeah, so I guess I could see how like the optical illusion in space, if it were like straight vertical lines that you know, the black and the white in contrast with each other. You know, that's in painting. That's how you make a corner like it's a thing. Right, So I guess I could see that, But looking at that picture, I don't know that it makes a lot of sense for half of it to be reflective and half of it to

not be right. Yeah, but it's also it's also conceivable that the mating cone that basically fired in with the rocket, the stage below it was wider that thing, that thing would be about thirty feet in diameter as white at point, and that was painted black and white. So if that, if that came, if that came apart, came with it off of the rest of the rocket, that would be rough. With the size of our objects, it wouldn't be you know.

But here's my problem. Okay again, I I don't like to do this, want to give theories immediately turned around and poke holes into it, which I do. But well, today's show it was a prime candidate of Steve doing that, because here's my problem with the theory that G is the fourth the sp four stage of the Saturn five rockets. In two thousand two, amateur astronomer Bill Young spotted something in space that was moving, and that object is identified

as Jay zero zero to E three. That object, they did a electro magnetics spectrum analysis of it, which again that's the science that's beyond me. But what they figured out is that it was consistent. That analysis show that was consistent with white titanium dioxide, which was the paint that was used on the Saturn five rockets. So that's object number two that we're saying is the third stage

of the rocket from Apollo twelve. Well, there's a bunch of garbage, like we said before, floating around the Earth and around our Solar system. And though not all of them wink, there's some things that do and low and behold, there's another one. December twenty nine or September twenty nine of two thousand. This is two astronomers at the University of Hawaii. They find a near Earth object and they catalog as two thousand s G three four four uh.

This particular object was within four million, eight hundred thousand miles of Earth, or about twenty times farther out from Earth than was but when it got closed, the object appeared to be about a hundred to two hundred feet in diameter depending on its consistency, because that, you know, the brightness is hard to measure. But when they took a look at it, they noticed that it wasn't acting

like an asteroid, so again it was winking. They went ahead, and they wentn't They decided, well, as this thing been up there if we've seen it for a while now, And the scientists did find photos from May of nine in their archives and around the same area essentially, and they discovered it, and they went ahead and plotted his trajectory and figured out that it would have come around us approximately in ninety one. And they were saying, they say that this particular piece of space junk is also

the third stage of the Apollo twelve rocket. So why is Apollo twelve the you know, the whipping boy of all these people. It's because we don't know what happened to it. It's swing shot it out into space and then we lost it, and they don't know where it's hat. And so everybody is saying that this, that and the other is that piece of rocket. It might be that it broke up into a couple of pieces, so it might actually be in a couple of different places too.

But but it's size. Everything that they say is going to be this chunk of Saturn five rocket because about the same size. So unless it bread in space, since you know rocket kit, I don't think it's it. I guess yeah, the Hawaii one makes the most sense to me, right that it You know, they estimated I probably would have been there around seventy one, which is around when you know we lost the thing, and yeah, yeah, so I'm I'm hesitant to say that it's Apolodwell too, which

leads me to our last is it aliens? It is? We're finally doing aliens. We're finally doing aliens. We aliens before, Yes, we have when well, not in space, but on the s Earth we've always all right, So here's here's the final theory about what is. There's a bunch of people who say that it is something from an alien civilization. Specifically, they are saying that it's a brace Well probe. Have you ever heard of a brace Well probe? Okay for

anybody who doesn't know what a brace Well probe is. Essentially, the theory goes, and this was first theorized by a gentleman by the name of Ronald brace Well in nine sixty, and he said that because travel between pieces in the galaxy, your places in the galaxy here so long, and it's hard to say, and transmissions like radio waves, you could

send a probe and that probe would be autonomous. It would be essentially self sustaining, and it would look for what it considered a intelligence species or a planet that could possibly have intelligence on it. At some point. Once it found that intelligence, it would communicate with that species in some way and then alert it's original the species that sent it out, and then we can all get together and have a galactic chat over our planet. It's

essentially a more sophisticated voyager. Right, we've done what we could at that point. That has all of our information on It doesn't bribe broadcasts, right, does it broadcast something? Yeah, it broadcasts back to us, so it must be. It does send signals back to something you know, So okay, but it doesn't you know search. It's not intelligence of any kind. It's just it's just a floating probe. We're

hoping for somebody as to find it. Where is this would be looking for somebody and actually, I know you Devon will love this. The brace Well probe was the basis for the original story that two thousand one of Space Honesty was based upon. So that's if you've ever seen that movie, that obelisk was a brace Well probe. Yeah,

that's why. That's why they buried it on the moon, you know, because one man is when man is sophisticated not to actually go to the moon and actually find and dig it up, and then the sun hits it and that's when it sends off its little message. Right. Yeah. But people say, well, it's a brace Well object, and so it's it's circling our planet. Is it's just recently found us, and it's waiting for us to come back around and be smart enough to communicate with it so

that it can introduce us to everybody else. You'd say, it's waiting for us to be smart enough to go fish it out of there, right, send a fishing line out there and pull it back in. What's the problem. Maybe that's the way it works. I don't know. I mean, brace Well objects are in sci fi stuff all over the place. Every intelligent probe is a brace Well, but nobody knows that that actually's gonna happen. Brace Well himself

just kind of made it up, it's theory. Well, because you know artificial intelligence elsewhere in the universe that coexists at the same time as we are also intelligent, So it's statistic statistic improbability. And yeah, and well, you know you're talking a lot of distance and not just set but a lot of a lot of objects. To examine a lot of solar systems you have to send any rear probes to absolutely well, although that's it's not as many as we think. As it turns out, they just

did a study. They call them the Goldilocks planets. Right, not too hot, not too cold, perfect for life that we recognized by our you know, laws of physics and whatever, would be able to harbor intelligent life. Right, Earth like planets that have what we understand to be the basic building blocks of I understand their theories out there about there being other types of aliens, but in our galaxy there are only a hundred and four planets four so far,

no like at all that we can identify it. And the Goldilocks zone, correct me if I'm wrong, is planets that are approximately the same distance away from a sun like ours, or are getting the same amount of radiation to quit that distance so that it's a really narrow band. It's a very narrow ribbon around a sun that can

hold a planet that we know of. They can hard life, right, So you know, well, I'm curious about is that they've they've found they've identified I think, just to clarify, it sounds like they've identified a hundred four so far, but they haven't. That's not a comprehensive study, correct, Well, I mean they haven't examined the entire galaxy. That it's not

based on examination. It's based on calculations. But so that's I mean, that's a pretty astensinitely low number, it is, but it's a statistical achieved number, and you know how statistics are. It's hard to say a small pool that you can observe. It would be like saying there are only X number of one bedroom apartments in a thirty block radius in my town, and that means there's only

x number total in the city. Right. But so I guess my argument on that is that if we were to send out a probe, we would start with those hundred and four true Goldilocks planets, as would any that would be the criteria that it would be looking, right, So they would send that to something that looked like Earth ostensibly, right, We're just we're making some vast assumptions here, assumptions here. But if there were an alien racy in our galaxy, which you kind of assume, they're probably in

our galaxy, right for it to make it here. Maybe not, maybe it's from some completely different galaxy. But let's to say they're in our galaxy. They send it to the similar Goldilocks things. There's only a hundred and four okay, they found It's it's not that long to find life. It's a long distance to travel, and that's what you send a probe, right, yeah, exactly, That's why you send a probe, so you don't go, oh fuck here. Yeah, but we got here, you know, it fell apart. Yeah,

I mean by the time we got here. I gotta say that if they have an industrillar probe that's only about ten meters long, then we have to snag that thing and take a look at it. Oh yes, yeah, because I mean that's you know, with with non technologies, these not technologies that we're exploring now or that we actually have. We we've talked about them. The theory of grabbing stuff out of space yeah, yeah, I'm just talking

about an interstellar drive. There's like things like ram jets to ram jets that just use random, random hydrogen that exists between the ours, but they tend to be very large structures. So I'd be really interested in something that's that's only ten long, that's capable of interstellar travel. Yeah, that's some technology we need to get our hands. Yeah kidding. So yeah, I I hate to say it, but I think alien. Do you really like this theory? Is? I

think the alien theory. I think it's the best theory. And honestly, I'm out of theories. That's the hard part is this is these are all these are the main things that I could come across, you know as generalizations. Uh, And I don't know, to be honest, I'm waiting honestly, look at like all those theories that you have, what is the most plausible, Like if you just like, okay

in your mind, except that aliens exist? Yeah, I think that from what I can tell in the research, I believe that it's a metallic object that is an engineered object, the meaning that it's not random space rocks. Now, is that engineered objects of junk that we put up that somehow stuck itself together and now has an orbit, or we did or somebody else that I don't know. Here's the thing we're overlooking is Russia. Dude, that country is big enough they could have launched some stuff into orbit

without us ever knowing. Very true. Now we would know about I mean we've got we watched their rocket launches pretty carefully. We've been doing it for a long time because of that. There's that whole thing about I CBMs and all that stuff. So that's what that. That's what those asteroids they keep getting hit with asteroids, they're not asteroids. Their accidental returning spaceships. Yeah, yeah, brewing they're using it to cover ye like, oh something hit here. We don't

know what it was. Oh there's no debris. Weird. We definitely didn't watch something instead of hitting. Yeah. Well again, I I personally don't know what it is. But ladies and gentlemen, I will encourage you to go to our website because we have the links about this particular story, and there is a fantastic link that we're gonna put up will actually allow you to watch v G in its orbit around the Sun. It's just like a little like computer simulation. It's a very but it's it's but informative,

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