Why on Sky News this is Sharry Good Evening. Will tonight tumbling stock markets have sparked fears of a global recession. How will the erratic Trump effect influence our election campaign? I'll have more in just a moment. Also tonight, Albanezi's web of contradictions unravels. He's exposed as he scrambled to outmaneuver Dutton on the pot of Darwin announcement, and his bizarre denial of a stage fall only deepens questions around
his credibility. Plus Chris Bowen's climate bill, why he's blown two hundred and sixty thousand dollars jet setting to ten countries, Well, you'd think he needs to answer questions about the climate emissions here, but he's not interested in any accountability, as one journalist from Channel seven discovered. And why hasn't that
ABC covered the revised Gaza death toll. Israel's Unit Nation spokesman would join me live here in studio, But first, As we enter the second week of the campaign, the world teeters on the edge of a potential global recession. Stock markets have suffered their steepest plunge since the height of the pandemic, sending shockwaves through investor confidence and even
igniting fears that new tariffs could trigger widespread defaults. This sudden economic turmoil couldn't have hit at a more politically sensitive time for us here in Australia, with political consequences as unpredictable as the events themselves. Right now, as we enter the second week, Dutton has fallen behind. The polls show Labor is perhaps in striking distance of winning government. This was a sobering reality check for the opposition leader and a wake up call for his inner sanctum, who
told me today not panicking. Dutton is getting advice about sharpening his message, dumping unpopular policies and improving attack ads. He's focusing on stepping up, but at the same time, the world around US unravels. The ASX lost four percent in value while the US markets fell six percent on Friday. Now for Australia, that's one hundred billion dollar wipeout on the AX. And the concern now is whether or not
this will plunge US into a recession. It has the potential to reshape the race if this isn't just a market shock, but if it continues into a deeper problem. Trump's tariffs triggered the financial market meltdown, and there's no sign the president's backing down. Here he was on Air Force one responding to questions about the stock market crash.
Going to happen with the market. I can't tell you what I can tell you. Our country has gotten a lot stronger.
I don't want anything to go down, but sometimes you have to take medicine to fix something.
Take medicine. That's how he's seeing it. So he's standing firm. But The Wall Street Journal speculates that if markets continue in turmoil, or if a recession looms and his approval rating creators, the president may feel the need for a face saving escape route. That could be when he decides to spin his tariffs not as a permanent but as the genius negotiating strategy his apologists claim it is. Now.
Trump did promise, as the Wall Street Journal noted, he did promise a boom to working class of voters, and right now growth estimates are foley and some economists, including those at JP Morgan, are now predicting a recession. You'd presume a recession wouldn't be a legacy that Trump hoping for during his second term. Now, as we spoke about on Thursday. Trump is trying to return manufacturing to the United States, partly to deal with the threat of China.
This is a long term strategy and the stock market volatility is not a surprise. But the question is whether this is simply a rocky blip or whether this could deteriorate into a global recession. Now, the Wall Street Johnal Editorial Board continued to say that the Wall Street consensus has been wrong before and nothing is foreordained. Trade retaliation could be less than feared, and Trump could change course,
but policymakers ignore market signals at their peril. Now back to Australia, a global recession wouldn't eventuate during this shot election campaign, but it could become obvious that that's where we are heading. If so, this completely reshapes the entire campaign. It plays into voters' minds when they're deciding how to cast their ballot. Dutton's team are confident that voters would turn to the coalition, believing that their best place to
navigate an uncertain economic environment. But there is also a view that the global uncertainty benefits incumbency and thus in this instance Albanesi would benefit politically and there's a view that voters prefer left of center parties to deal with Trump. Now, as you know, Albanesi has already been trying to benefit politically by continually comparing Dutton to Trump, as the Finn Review says today, to paint Dutton as the Trumpian candidate.
Like Labour's original medi scare, there is no substance to the claims being spread through social media. If Labour won the a and of such scare tactics, it would be crying misinformation. The Finn Review ultimately concluded in the editorial that while Labor has no compelling record on economic resilience to reward with the second term, the Trump effect could help sweep Elbow back into office and it makes Dutton's
task far more challenging. Treasurer Jim Chalmers today was already crafting the narrative that he's better place to handle a recession, which he warns is a real risk.
Now.
I find it interesting how the government can never comment on interest rate movements when they're in a rising cycle. They cite the independence of the Reserve Bank, But of course during an election campaign this or changes and Charmers Today predicted up to four rate cuts.
Markets are now expecting around four what interrast rate cuts are in Australia this calendar year. There's even a more than even money expectation in the markets, more than fifty percent expectation in the markets that the next Reserve Bank interest rate cut in May might be as big as fifty basis.
Points, and Treasury modeling shows there's expected to be a hit on Australian GDP or SO prices. Although how much of this is because of Trump's tariffs and how much of this are domestic factors is arguable. Economist Warren Hogan told me today that much of the impact in Australia is because of the Albanezy government and not the tariffs. He spoke about other effects of the tariffs with Peter Kradlin earlier.
Yeah, Well, the markets are panicking and their response is pretty severe and pricing in not only a full rate cut in May, but a chance of a fifty point cut and then follow up cuts at every meeting. We're talking about four or five rate cuts taking the cash right down to about three percent.
Look, that could.
Easily play out if the worst happens, if it's not a broader financial problem, if it's really just this tariff issue.
I think the RBA.
Would be thinking about that. They've got two or three rate cuts up their sleeve that would take the rate down to three and a half, which they thinks about neutral.
So it's against this backdrop that Dutton starts the second week of the campaign. And yes he's behind, as we've canvassed, but there's still another four weeks to go. Today the news he dumped his policy to get workers back to the office, at least public service workers in Canberra. It's precisely the same policy and it's New Southell's Premier Chris Mins, who's had very little backlash and who certainly hasn't been
compared to Donald Trump. But Dutton was losing support, not just with women as has been reported, but with families, and so he made the call to dump it.
Are you conceding this policy was unpopular with female beliefs?
But we've got it wrong, We've apologized for it.
We support flexible workplace arrangements and our plan which was only ever targeted for the public service.
In camera, Labour's been able to create into a.
Scare campaign and alban Easy of course, had nothing better to do or nothing better to announce than continue on with this scare campaign. He visited a family this morning who worked from home in Melbourne, which was never part of Dutton's policy.
In any case, Peter Dutton wants to undermine work rights and in particular doesn't understand modern families. Doesn't understand the important role that women and men play in organizing their families and organizing appropriate work conditions wherever it is possible.
Just a side note there. I mean people criticize Peter Dutton for not being a good enough communicator. I mean, listen to the Prime minister. That's hardly a great orator. Now, despite what the Prime Minister says, changing policy isn't a negative thing. It's a brave admission that Dutton has listened to the community and was prepared to change. It's a strength to admit that he got something wrong and then changed courts. He was transparent and public about it. I mean,
you think of the contrast with Albinizi. He's never apologized or admitted to getting anything wrong in his arrogance. It's always someone else's fault and someone else's responsibility, and his arrogance is bizarre when he's not particularly clever and doesn't work hard enough to get across the detail. I'd bet he was probably a Grade C student at school. Not exactly the genius you'd want running our country. But more
worryingly is Albanzi's character and integrity. He lies about major things like the Port of Darwin decision and tiny things like whether or not he fell off the stage. Now on the Port of Darwin, Albanize he heard that Dartin was about to make an announcement that the Coalition would buy back the lease. That was thanks to the leak of a labor friendly journalist, but Albanize he heard about it, and so he quickly rang into a local Darwin radio
station to gazump Dutton's announcement. But the radio announcer was too smart and smelled a rat.
I've gotten a little bit lost here. You've flagged the Coalition making an announcement tomorrow that the Coalition are going to say that they'll buy the lease back. But you're not making that announcement today.
You bet we will. We've been working on on this issue for some.
Time, so I just need to be clear. Here are you announcing that the Labor government will buy back the port of Doowen? Lease off Lambridge.
What we are doing is we will enter into negotiations to do that. That is what we've been doing informally through potential buyers up to this point already.
So are you buying back the lease of the Port of Darwen or not.
Well, what we're doing is trying to get to see if there's a private buyer through particularly superannuation funds that we've had discussions with. They have sanded out Landbridge as well. We want that to be the case, but we want it.
And it went on. I mean, she's far better than the average press gallery journalist that Albin Eazi is used to have a listen.
So you're making sure you have a buyer first before you announce those plans.
Well, we want it to be in Australian hands. We prefer that it be through superannuation funds or some their vehicle.
So when might you have a clearer idea about whether you have a buyer or not and whether this is a plan that you are proceeding with. Will you have those details during this election campaign prior to the third of May. Will you be able to tell us we are buying back the port and this is how we're going to do it.
We certainly will enter into those discussions, and the Northern Territory government have had discussions with us as well. We'll have more to say over the coming period before the third of May.
Yeah, we have covered that. I'm just wondering how much the federal government would be willing to contribute to buy back the Port of Darwin.
Well, what you don't do is negotiate through a radio station.
If you don't negotiate through a radio station, then why are you ringing one up. Well, it's because it was trying to scuff a Dozen's announcement to return the Port of Darwin to Australian ownership. Now, these were questions he should have been expecting, but of course he hadn't worked them through because he only did that interview when he got wind of Dutton's press conference the next day. But
here's another interesting thing. What you just heard from alban Easy was the precise opposite of what he said just eighteen months ago. In October twenty twenty three, alban Easy said he accepted a report of his own agency that the Chinese Link Company could continue to operate the lease. And he says, and I quote, that the issue had
now been resolved. Game over. Here's what he said. He said, and we've accepted that report rather than have to lay out a considerable compensation cost, which would have been applicable if there was any forced intervention and forced sale by the Commonwealth. So that issue has now been resolved. There won't be an intervention for any forced sale. It was categoric about it. That was October twenty three, just a
year and a half ago. But now when he got winned that Dutton was announcing a sale, he changed his tune. He claimed he'd already been working on this. So compare the comments you just heard game over or resolved to what he says now.
The idea that you would have the major port in Northern Australia owned by any foreign interest is not in Australia's national interest.
Alban Easy refuses to even acknowledge he's backtracked, let alone admit to a one point eighty shift in position. He's so consumed without foxing Dutton, so fixated on stealing his thunder over the pot of Darwin, that substance and well thought out policy has taken a back seat to cheap tricks and tactics. His superficial answers in that radio interview exposed a hollow narrative from a hollow man. Voters are
paying attention, and that's an if. If voters are paying attention, if they look beyond the headlines, then Albanez's lack of integrity an obsession with spin will be his own undoing Yet right now, while Dutton is trying to find his rhythm in the first election campaign as leader, Trump has lobbed a political grenade into the mix, a wild card so volatile that its impact on the election campaign remains
anyone's guess. I'm going to have full political analysis in a moment, but right now, let's return to the market blood bath sparked by Trump's trade tariffs. As I just told you, up to one hundred billion dollars has been wiped off the ASX. The Asian markets hit as well. Former Treasury sick Assistant Secretary David Pearl joins me for his view. David, thank you so much for your time
again on the show. The big question is whether the stock markets will settle, whether this is just the volatility that Trump warned about, or whether this could escalate into a global recession. What's your view.
My view, Shari, and thanks for having me on, is that nobody knows. There are so many uncertainties at the moment. One scenario is the Trump backtracks very quickly. I'm not sure that's going to happen, but that would probably be the benign one. Another scenario is for China and other major economies to start to negotiate quickly with the US. I think that would not be ideal for markets, but
it would be a midway. And then the third scenario, which you can't discount, Shari, is for trade tensions to escalate, for China and others to stick to their retaliation, and for markets, both financial markets and equity markets generally to be far more affected than they have already. So nobody knows, Shari. We're in a situation of deep uncertainty for.
US in Australia as seen already and impact on our currency down to sixty cents summer, estimating that this could fall even too fifty cents. Do you think that's possible.
It is possible, you might recall, and reviewers might recall it. When the Asian financial crisis hit in nineteen ninety eight from memory, that had a major negative effect on commodity prices and Australian exports and the big depreciation of our currency, our freely floating currency then really provided a cushion for our commodity exporters and for the economy and helped us get through. So it's not a bad thing that the economy that the exchange rate is adjusting like it is.
In fact, it should be the first line of defense for this uncertainty and market turbulence, rather than any panicked response from the RBA, which I interpreted Jim Charmers today encouraging.
I mean, I feel it's hard to ask you about predictions because, as you started off by saying, we just don't know how international markets and how other countries are going to react, whether they will retaliate or not. But you know, at this point in time, at least if
there is a deepening problem. You know, the Treasure today spoke about up to four interest rate cuts, So you know, do you think that he was being overly alarmist or is this a realistic proposition that things could get so bad we're looking at four rate cuts this year?
I think the.
Treasure is being a market compentator, which seems to be the role he likes. I think it's appalling practice for a treasurer to basically blithely refer to financial markets panicked prediction that we're going to have fifty basis points off the cash rate in May and maybe one percent off the cash rate by the end of the year.
We don't know that.
Let's go back to.
Power.
The US FED chairman, he gave a very important speech on Friday Sharry where he refused to offer FED support to rescue Wall Street, as he should have, and he said that the FED had time to wait for incoming data on inflation and activity, and he referred to the heightened risks of inflation and inflationary expectations. So by no means was he for fing a willingness to come in, but he didn't want to overreact and react before the data. And I think that the RBA Board should adopt Jerome
Powell's playbook there now. If later in the year the data starts to indicate that economic activity is slowing or price pressures arising, then it might be appropriate for the Board to act. But I don't think, or at least it's my opinion, that the Board should not be taking a lead from financial market players who are frankly panicking, understand why they are, but they shouldn't be the guide for Munchi policy now.
No, indeed, Sage Advice. Thank you very much for your time as always, David Pearl, thank you so much. All right, so the message there no need to panic at this point in time. Let's wait and see. All right, let's return to the political headlines today and for more analysis on where this election is headed. Let's bring in the Australians Chief political correspondent Jeff Chambers and Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis. Thank you both so much. Great to see you.
So the big story of course today front page of your paper, James, is that Dutton has dumped this policy which was actually just to get Canberra public servants back to work, but the way that Labor was selling this it became this big scare campaign. Families were worried that they wouldn't have the flexibility in their work life arrangements any longer. Do you think he had no choice but to dump this?
Well?
What I do like and I agree with what you said off the top, that it is refreshing for a politician to come out as soon as he identifies a problem and say hey, look I got this one wrong and we're going to go in a different direction. So I think that was a really refreshing take. We don't always see that from the Prime Minister, if ever, and other labor politicians working from home and the way that they have tried to attack and politicize the public service.
It's been a really really interesting one to watch unfold because I think if most people saw the numbers of increases in public servants and the cost of the public service and what the Australian economy and our society looks like, you'd be saying, well, something has to give there. But I don't think they argue this the right way, Shari, and I think they could have said there's going to be a fifteen percent cut to the public service in every department in the same way that we have had
for most businesses in this country. You're going to have to make productivity gains across the board. But when we started talking about sacking people, we started talking about forcing people back to the office working from home as a tricky one. Most of us would agree that we should be back in the office by now, but there's a lot of people out there that are voting that don't agree with it and want working from home as part of their life.
Yeah, and I think it's going to be a balance, particularly with mothers. But Jeff, that was part of the fact that not all families liked it. But the other part of the picture was that it was you know, this policy played into Albanese's attempts to paint Dutton as Trump liked and this is a liability for the coalition.
Oh hi, Sharry, Yeah, it's really proving to be a liability and it's really cutting through.
You know, they're really trying the labors framing up.
As they do best in terms of their attack hit jobs, Peter Dutton as a mini Trump. But the facts of the matter is that the public service policies.
Were very focused and targeted.
I think the problem for the Liberal Party and by the way, this dumping of this policy has been in the works for a few weeks now and there are some internally who are saying that this should have happened before the election campaign started. I think the issue was you had too many people talking about little elements of it rather than a definitive policy that was put out and once you do that little piece Bill bits and
pieces of policy. It allows your opponents to really weaponize various elements of it.
Well, let's have a look at the polling that has got so many people concerned. Today Newspoll had Labor ahead fifty two to forty eight on a two pp basis. The coalition's primary vote had dropped by one point. James, what's your view on reading newspoll, given you know it wasn't all bad news for Data and he was up as preferred prime minister over Alban Eazy.
I think that the obviously the independent vote is going to be crucial once again. But I think as the days go on, we are figuring out that the coalition looks like this is going to need two terms to get all the ducks lined up, and they needed a grand Final life performance, a record like performance to get back twenty plus seats to get back into government in
just one term. And when we start to pick apart some of their policies, and we've heard this with Gas in recent days, We've heard this with some of the talk about migration and international students, and when they're grilled on the detail and there's some things that don't quite make sense and they haven't really given these an opportunity to breathe properly with the electorate and understand what people want. Then the polling indicates is going to be too hard
for Peter Dutton at this stage. I mean, things could change and he certainly got plenty of ammunition with the way the Prime minister's performing, but I just get the feeling that we're heading towards this being a two term proposition for Peter Dutton and the coalition.
Jeff, the polls were wildly wrong in twenty nineteen. They were even wrong just in the recent US election where it was predicted to be very close. It wasn't close at all. So you know, what do you think about that? When yes, there is the polls, perhaps look at where the someone can win with a majority of votes in a majority of seats, but you know, the elections come down to voters in more than a handful in this case, but in very specific seats.
Hey, Cherry, Yes, So this is a national poll.
It's a snapshot of just over a thousand people, and what it doesn't pick up, as you're saying, is pockets of disquiet or discomfort with the government. And we're going to see Anthony abanezy loose seats across the country. It's just a matter of Ken Peter doesn't pick up enough seats.
And I think what we're seeing is at this point, and there's still a few weeks to play on this, the answer is no. And I think a really important area to look at is those minor parties so one nation, even Clykee Palmer's party, if you've got a dissolution voter, they're not quite sold on the coalition's proposition. The key point here in some of these electorates will be those
preference flows. But look, yeah, overall there's a tightening going on, and for a one term government as an incumbent with a lot of global headwinds, I think we're started to see that natural sort of tightening towards labor. But you know, as I said, there's still about four weeks of this campaign to go.
Yeah.
Indeed, now a bad day for Chris Bowen. He's been accused of hypocrisy, he's reportedly blown two hundred and sixty thousand dollars on overseas travel expenses, and then there was his refusal to answer questions about nickel production from Channel seven journalist Liam Bartlet. Have a look at.
This, minister.
You're happy, you're happy to see the nickel coming in here in these electric vehicles.
I think I've made very clear my preface is Australia nickels.
But it's not happening, minister. It's not happy with respect. It is happening. Hey, mate, I don't appreciate that. I don't appreciate that I'm talking to a minister of the crowd. Who is this guy? Do you think you're going to get anywhere?
Buty?
Do is this guy there? Make just I want to just help him, except who who is he to step between the media and a minister of the crowd. I let everybody else do it.
Put it out of my fat, out of my sage.
Do you go to my face again?
You want to do it?
You want to do it on camera? Do you want to do it on cameras? You really want to do this?
And these were apparently climate activists who decided to protect Chris Bohtan James. You'd like to think a minister can handle questions from a journalist.
Well, no doubt. And given that Labor has pushed so hard to get everyone to switch to electric vehicles, and which is what this story was about correct, yeah, and I mean Labour's policy I think until recently still might be was eighty nine percent all new vehicles electric by
twenty thirty. And so when you have these Chinese made electric vehicles coming in thousands into the country and then discover that the way that they are made are in third world conditions where workers are dying horrific environmental impacts, well they're the kind of questions the minister should be asked.
And of course Chris Bowen agreed to give an interview at the end of that Channel seven program that never happened, and then today was forced to sort of deal with the fallout of what people were wondering what was going on. I know it as well as part of the fallout from last night. Chari Anthony Albernezi was asked about it this morning and didn't know about it, said, I don't know about the show. I haven't been told about the show. Once again, I might know about it, not across his brief.
But they shame because they're the ones that are pushing these policies on the Australian people claim.
To not know about it. If that's believable, And what about he said, I haven't been briefed on it. He could have watched the television. He could have watched the show. Jeff, what do you think about this? You know, either this story or Chris Bowen's hypocrisy over his excessive travel while lecturing everyone else on climate emissions.
Yeah, I can't believe that there's an EV influencer. He's not doing a very good job because EV stales have flat lined. And what really gets me is all these labor policy a geared to help people get into evs and who does it help. You're in a city well to do folk right, so they don't pay reggi or they get discounted reggi. They don't pay for the use of the roads that's done through fuel excise for people with normal cars, and they get all these tax breaks.
So it just sort of drives this sort of the haves and the have nots.
And I think this is sort of know whether it's.
Batteries for homes or trying to get more people in the EV's, it's really dividing the country.
I think quote shocking revelations and it'll hurt. I think it really will damage the electric vehicle industry if people know just how much pollution it's generating, as Channel seven showed last night. All right, Jeff Chambers, James Willis, thank you both so much, Thank you, and a reminder tomorrow night must watch television. The first debate of the campaign, Peter Dutton versus Anthony Albanisi. I'll be there live, so I'll come to you the moment it finishes at eight
thirty pm and we'll discuss on air who's won. Wednesday night Jim Chalmers with Angus Taylor again. I'll be on air eight thirty right when it finishes. And then if you want to watch Chris Bowen and Ted O'Brian having a debate on energy, which I definitely do, that's around midday twelve thirty on Thursday. So three big debates all on Sky News. This is the election channel to watch. You don't want to miss a night here, all right? After the break? Who won the Wentworth debate last night?
A Legrispender or Roe Knox Plus can underdog Dutton turn the tired? Our Political Insiders panel Cameron Milner and Andrew Carswell, we'll give their view next welcome back. Well, it's shocking that what I'm about to tell you hasn't had more media coverage because there was chaos at the University of Sydney last week when vile pro Palestinian protesters disrupted an event honoring the survivors of October seven and even forced
them into lockdow out. The event was called Survived to Tell, and there were first hand accounts of people who did survive the massacre, and they weren't old Jewish Israelis, they were Muslims and Christian Israelis as well. But the protesters wanted it canceled, and the attendees were locked in the building after it finished, apparently for their own safety, with radicals screaming at them, have a look.
Yeah, because we are going to be here to make you feel uncomfortable.
You should not be here.
You're going to find out who you are discussing. Your baby cares.
I'm going.
Come on, come out, grund dad, granddad. You want to bring the screen up, Grandad.
It was so horrific looking at all of the footage. I kin'd even tell you how upsetting it was looking at the full extent of that footage that we're here to talk about surviving October seven, and this is how they were treated at the University of Sydney. We'll joining me now is Israel's United Nations spokesman Jonathan Paradoff. Jonathan, thank you very much for your time. What's your reaction to images like that? And one of Australia's oldest and most prestigious universities.
Thank you so much for having me on your show, Shari. It's truly disheartening and disturbing to see these scenes. What's most shocking to me is not what Harmas perpetrated on October the seventh. Harmas's genocidal in tent is very clear. They're very explicit about their hatred for Jews, for Israeli people, for anyone who supports the idea of a jurisdic What was most disturbing to many people across the world was what happened on October the eighth, October ninth, October the tenth,
and since then, five hundred and odd days since. And I think what we've seen at the University of Sydney is the latest manifestation of this inexplicable hatred towards anyone who is coming from anyone who's Jewish, anyone comes from the day of visual even someone an innocent person who survived the most horrific atrocity just for being Jewish, just for being Israeli, Israeli, just for being a Jewish, just for being Muslim, just for belonging to a certain country.
And that's truly disturbing, No.
It is, Indeed, it's just shocking. Now, we saw the news over the past few days that Hamas has reportedly revised down their death toll, So this is removing the names of thousands of Palestinians it had claimed were killed. The researchers say that at least a thousand children are no longer on the list, and that seventy two percent of those killed were combatant aged men. Now, Jonathan, this has been widely covered in the international media, not on
the ABC as far as I can tell. Why there's reluctance by left leaning media to cover this story.
As a as a trains journalist, it's very disturbing to see that many of the outlets across the spectrum are not covering this, and when they do cover it, they sometimes fail to mention who is running the health ministry, the fact that it is a Harmas run health industry.
Health ministry. Look, I think this boils down to the fact that Hermas obviously doesn't care about Israelis, but it also doesn't care about its own people, which is why it's it's so blase about throwing around different numbers and figures that are detached from reality. And we saw the latest evidence of the people of Gaza not kept rising up against Hamas because Hamas does not care about its own people. And we saw some brave instances of anti
Hamas riots which were very violently stamped down. But that just shows to you how much the government cares so little about its own people.
No exactly, I mean even Palestinians being executed by Akus simply for one a better future. Now we're seeing evidence that Iran was complicit in October seven. Israel has said that there is new documentation. What can you tell us about this?
I don't think it's breaking news that the Islamic Republic of Iran's tentacles fingerprints signature has been all over the atrocities of October the seventh, but they go way back before that. The latest piece of public evidence that's been revealed shows that June twenty twenty one, Hamas leaders Yaya Simuan Muhammadif wrote to the IRGC commanders asking for something in the summer five hundred million dollars in order to carry out future attacks against Israel, and those attacks took
place on October the seventh. The Islamic Republic has for a very long time denied any connection, and we're slowly starting to see the extent and the scale of the Islamic.
Republics together money trail. Of course. Yes, Now before you go, I want to ask you, Australia has been hostile to Israel under our current government at the United Nations, voting against Israel in multiple occasions over the past few years. How disappointing is this to you? We're in an election campaign and how much of a concern is this to you? This breaking bipartisan support.
What we try and do at the Israeli Mission to the UN, and what Israel's ambassador to the UN, Danny Dunnon, tries to do is present the truth. And it's very disappointing to see countries that don't side with truth, don't side with any Sharabi when he's speaking of the Security Council, don't side with Noah Aga money, and they side with the Palestinian authority and representatives of a regime that really doesn't care about its own people, let alone Jewish or
Israeli people. So it's extremely disappointing.
Yeah, it is indeed all right to us as well, Jonathan Haronov. Really appreciate your time. Great to see you here in Australia as well, not just on the clips on the television. Thank you Now. Still to come is Elon Musk breaking with Trump over his controversial trade tariffs and George Clooney's meltdown over Joe Biden. Talk about that with Kosher Garda next Welcome back in Sky News contributed
Koshergarda joins US Now and Kosher. What are these reports about Trump's head trade advisor, Pete Navarro copying it from Elon Musk over Trump's tariff agenda.
Yes, they've had a little bit of a public spat on X because of differing opinions on the trade policy in some measure, you know, I think that's to be expected. Trade policy is very complex. Tariffs are very controversial, and lots of very smart people disagree on how they should be levied, what the impact will be, how long this
will run its course, et cetera. And I guess it's no surprise that there are lots of very smart people with strong opinions surrounding Trump and his orbit, and these two seem to have that spill out a little bit out into the open. But I think it's just a microcosm of I think how the whole world is looking at Trump's agenda with respect to turfs.
Yeah, it's sparked, of course, speculation about Elon Musk's relationship with Trump. We've also seen that Bill Ackman has come out saying paps the tariffs should be delayed. There aren't our concerns over recession kosher. Trump is saying this is medicine that's required, just that the stock market blith, not the recession.
Yes, he is staying the course. I think he knew that there is going to be volatility in the markets and other repercussions that will come from that, and he is going to stay the course, at least for the time being. I do think, and ultimately his guiding principle is the working class, real wages for the bottom fifty percent of society, if you will, and if he sees the pain and the medicine happening too much and too deep, with that group. I would expect to see him do something.
It may not necessarily be cutting back on turfs. It could be offering targeted subsidies, it could be offering other forms of relief for them. But in terms of the market volatility and whatever is happening to Wall Street versus Main Street, as they put it, that's something where he's really got a Steeley's spine this time around, and he's not going to let that guide what he does, at least in the near term.
Yeah, I mean you just mentioned they're targeted subsidies and income tax cuts is an option that he has to try and alleviate that pain. But we'll see if he goes there now. Just to finish off, George Clooney has allegedly unleashed a tirade when the reports first came out that he wanted Joe Biden to withdraw from the race. Tell us about this.
So this is interesting. There's some inside baseball that's leaking, and that in and of itself is interesting because it doesn't really happen from the left side of politics in America.
They always seem to have a very united front publicly, and he was very angry at how the MSNBC hosts Meeker Brazinski and Joe Scarborough sort of said that that wasn't him writing the very famous op ed after the debate, but it was Obama telling him to write it, and he was very angry at that characterization, which is all
coming out now. It's also funny on a personal level because you know, George Clear is an alpha male at the apex of his world and his chosen profession, and it just comes down to I think he doesn't love being portrayed as a puppet of Obama and that seems to have really prick to his skin.
Yeah, yeah, there you go. All right, Koshagada, really appreciate your insights as always. Thank you. Now, don't forget Tomorrow night, the Big Debate, the first debate of the campaign between Peter Darton and Anthony Albanezi. It could change everything. It's seven thirty pm on Sky News until eight thirty pm. I will be there. I will be there live from the election debate. As it finishes, we'll talk about who's the winner, who's the loser. Will be there to dissect
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