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A bombshell racism scandal hits Collingwood Football Club, Israel on the brink of war with Lebanon as Australians are told to leave immediately. Plus, all eyes are on tomorrow's inflation numbers as the RBA gears up for a crucial rates decision.

 

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Speaker 1

Live on Sky News.

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This is Sharry Good Evening will major news tonight. A bombshell racism scandal has hit the Collingwood Football Club. Senior executives at the AFL club have been accused of highly offensive racial slurs towards Indigenous players.

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And a Jewish colleague.

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This exclusive story on tomorrow's front page of The Herald Son reports that the chief executive, Craig Kelly, has been accused of joking about putting a live effing possum in a special room for Indigenous players and calling an Aboriginal elder a dumb old bee. The paper has obtained explosive court documents which also claim that Kelly joked about sending a photograph of a free Palestine sign to a Jewish

colleague to wind her up. He is alleged to have seen a free Palestine sign in the street and said, and I quote quick, take a photo of that, send it to Garlit and watch her go off. He was reportedly referring to garllit Yeri, Collingwood's executive general.

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Manager for People and Culture.

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In another comment, Kelly is alleged to have said to the then First Nation strategy head Mark Kleaver, why do you need to use Google Maps. I assume your people can navigate with their eyes closed. Victoria Police has also been notified over allegations of physical assaults and there's more detail on this on the Herald's Sun website right now. Now, Sky News and The Herald's Sign are not suggesting any of the claims are true, only that they have been

made in documents before the court. Well known law firm Morris Blackburn is taking on this case and their principal Daniel Victory. So the allegations call into question whether the Collingwood Football Club has learned anything from its racism scandals. A report into racism in twenty twenty one led to Eddie mcgwai's resignation as Collingwood president after twenty two years. Now, the AFL Integrity Unit has been made aware of this hr complaint but has deemed it a workplace issue for

the club. There'll be a court hearing on August twenty seven, and this story.

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Is going to be big news. Now.

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As I said, you can head to the Herald Sun website. There's a lot more detail on that story. It is going to be front page of the Herald Sun tomorrow we've got that front page. We're going to bring it to you in a moment throughout the show. Now, in such a tumultuous time in the world, we need tough leaders in charge of our national security. Yet we have Anthony Albanesi and Tony Burke, two knock about factional figures who were never considered leadership material, and yet somehow one

is the Prime Minister and the other the Home Affairs Minister. Worse, Albinizi has since coming to office got it Australia's premier national security.

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Agency, Home Affairs.

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He's stripped ASIO and other critical operational agencies from it. Now the move to install Tony Burke in Home Affairs has been so controversial that Albin Easy was forced to come out today and defend his actions.

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Tony Burke is someone who has been successful in everything he has done and undertaken. He already has hit the ground running. He's there in Indonesia.

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The Prime Minister also launched a scathing attack on the highly sensible and talented James Patterson, who was the first to point out just how ludicrous Tony Burke's appointment was.

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Yet alban Easy shot.

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Back, James Patterson is a shocking message to Australians that all you need to do is to be negative and opposed. About time James Patterson stood up for the Australian national interest instead of just playing politics.

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Yeah, James Patterson is the one who is clear eyed when it comes to national security, not Alban Easy. Tony Burke dutifully followed Alban Easy by ripping into Patterson this morning, even though it's his own record as Immigration Minister that's now under question.

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Can I just say, what an idiotic comment from somebody who's clearly never been a minister and has like he's made up a way of looking at statistics about me. If that's the character of my shadow, then we'll just deal with what comes at us. I have never hesitated to reject visas or to cancel visus. He'll probably never refer to that statistic because it's just irrefutable if you go back through the records, is what I did last time and the sort of decisions that will happen under my watch again.

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Well.

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I asked James Patterson to respond to these attacks from Albanizi and Tony Burke today and he told me I understand why the Prime Minister and Tony Burke are sensitive. I'd be embarrassed too with that record. Burke led in eighty three votes carrying six thousand, six hundred illegal arrivals in just eighty days as Immigration minister. Children in detention peaked at one nine hundred and ninety two on his watch.

But Australians are entitled to expect a Prime Minister and Minister for Home Affairs who are calm and measured, not who resort to unhinged rants when their record is scrutinized. Well, Albinizi tried to defend Burke, saying that the six thousand asylum seekers who came under him weren't actually his fault.

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It's the only person and group who send messages to people smugglers which could give them some heart is the Coalition. What we've done is put in place Operation Sovereign Borders with more funding than it has ever received since it was created.

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Well, let's turn to Tony Burke's own words, because in his own words, he admitted that lives were lost while he was the Immigration minister in twenty and thirteen.

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I was the shadow Minister for Immigration before the two thousand and seven election. I took to the election and to this conference a platform that the entire conference cheered. I changed our platform so that we stood for the abolition of temporary projection visus. I was there for fewer than four months, and there are thirty three lives that were lost on my watch.

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And then there's the concern that we spoke about last night that Tony Burke won't be tough calling out the top threat facing Australia Islamic extremists because he's under pressure from the Muslim vote in his own electorate. Burke failed to quickly condemn the hate preachers who celebrated the Hamas terror attacks just twenty four hours after the bloodshed. Will Former Queensland Labor State Secretary Cameron Milner laid into him over this.

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His own electorate is the epicenter of his Islamic extremism in Australia, the center of hate preachers, and yet as the local member, he's waved it all through. So Goodness knows what he does as our Home Affairs Minister when our national security is at stake. Goodness knows when he's got the demand for Palestinian refugees in verte Commas to come out after the conflict, who will no doubt be flooded with Hamas and other g hardy operatives and it

will wave them through. As a weak Immigration minister, Tony Burg is utterly compromised because his own personal endeavor and trying to hold on the seat of Watson against the Muslim vote will compromise every single decision.

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He makes pretty strong comments and he's probably right. There's also concerned that Home Affairs no longer has any operation or agencies with the AFP. The acic Ostrak and now ASIO all moved out we Albanezi claimed he was moving Azeo to the Attorney General's Department to keep it with the AFP.

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It was a logical thing to put ASIO together with the AFP. We inherited a system that was simply dysfunctional.

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But it's nonsense because the AFP and AZIO were already both together under Home Affairs prior to Albanezi becoming Prime Minister.

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So you have to.

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Wonder is he trying to appease Mike Drafis here, the Attorney General who many suspect will choose to retire in the not too distant future. Well, The Australian's editorial has highlighted problems with this.

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They're right.

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The government's other moves, however, especially gutting the Home Affairs Department, pose a significant risk.

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To the nation and to the government.

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This weakening of our national security comes at the most volatile time in decades. Israel and Hesbelah on the cusp of war. Russia is disseminating disinformation on social media, and there's an increasingly aggressive Iran and China. More than ever, we need to have confidence in our national security team. All right, We're just going to bring you now the front page of the Herald Sun tomorrow with his latest breaking bombshell racism scandal at the Collingwood AFL Club. We'll

show that to you now. So that is the Herald Sign front page tomorrow. This is going to be an ongoing, big issue. Those documents emerging in court. Also coming up on the show tonight, Israel on the brink of war with Lebanon as Australians are told to evacuate immediately. Shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty will join me live plus all eyes on tomorrow's inflation data as the RBA gears up

for a crucial rates decision. Will have economists Economist Judith Sloan give us her prediction and we'll coast live to Paris for more Olympics coverage. But first let's bring it now Tonight's panel, former Speaker of the House Bronwan Bishop and Sky News host Caleb Bond. Thank you both very much for your time. Rom When I want to get your view on what has been the political biggest political issue of the past two days, Albanezi choosing to promote Tony Burke into the Home Affairs portfolio.

Speaker 9

Well, you know, people laugh when I said that Tony Burke gave the unions everything they wanted because when there's a leadership context, when Albow goes.

Speaker 10

Unions will give him the vote and give him the leadership.

Speaker 9

But it's part of the same, part of the same mental strategy for Burke. He's now been given the power to increase the number of people coming in from Gaza, which will in fact is part of his campaign to try and stabilize the West where the Muslim movement vote movement is growing. He is was a failure absolutely, as we've just heard when he had the portfolio before.

Speaker 10

But not only that, the.

Speaker 9

Man is running Leader of the House, which is a big job to run the House. He's got all these elected a bit like Scott Morrison really is the minister perfectly.

Speaker 2

Yeah, he probably does have five ministries. He's still arts minister. It's immigrants show tickets. Ye indeed, so you know he but he is.

Speaker 10

He is a very ambitious man.

Speaker 9

But he's the only one who talks about him being the leader exactly nowadays.

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Thinks he can seriously be the Prime Minister. Except for nobody talked about elbow.

Speaker 10

You see, that's why it's a problem.

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No true, Well, let's have a listen to fromer Prime Minister Tony Abbott. He was on with Peter Kradlin earlier here he was.

Speaker 11

For Tony Burke to have any credibility as a new immigration minister, he's really got to begin with a bit of an apology, frankly for his previous record, and I think a full account of what he did wrong then and how it's going to be different now.

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Caleb.

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You know, Tony Burke and Albanezi are trying to spin their way out of Tony Burke's record, but you can't spin figures. The data shows what the data shows, and that's why I've played that grabbed tonight and last night of Tony Burke himself saying how many lives were lost when he was the Immigration Minister.

Speaker 13

Correct, and roughly one bow to day came to Australia during his short tenure, it should be noted before the twenty thirteen election as Immigration Minister. He cannot get away from that.

Speaker 12

And the idea that this.

Speaker 13

Sort of swaggering, arrogant character that Tony Burke portrays himself to be would either be a potential future leader just obsurd. But the idea that all the other portfolios has got and I know how upset Bronwen would be that Arts will sort of fall to the wayside given everything else

he has to worry about. The idea that he can take on Immigration and Home Affairs with the great misses that have been created in those two portfolios under the previous ministers, and given his previous record, that he's going to be able to do anything better than him, I just can't see it. And then of course we have the news today that the number of patrol flights being done around the border to monitor these incoming votes.

Speaker 2

Has reduced and we've had at least.

Speaker 13

Three make landfall since this government was elected. You know how is he going to clean any of this up if the number of patrols, even though the Prime Minister says, oh, we've put more money into sovereign borders than ever before. Well, the inflation racks also gone up, so of course you're putting more money into it. But we haven't seen any action as if Burke is going to be able to turn that around, certainly not without the support of the Prime Minister.

Speaker 10

Those survey and flights us so important.

Speaker 9

I've actually flown those flights and I know how important it is to pick up the illegals, including fishing boats, and telephone would telegraph the message back to.

Speaker 10

The naval vessels because when they come in.

Speaker 9

I remember we found a boat and there they're holding up their phone saying here, cheer, come and take us in, take us into Australia.

Speaker 2

And of course we saw at the end of last year that illegal fishing vessels had arrived on Australian and it had been four or five days and no one had actually picked up that they were there because there is less less both aerial surveillance and maritime patrols as well.

Speaker 13

I think it came down to, wasn't it some local Aboriginal people who had a drone that they bought from JB High Fire were the ones who pointed it out. I mean, the heaven's sake, if they can do a better job of border patrol than operations sovereign borders, can, we've got real problem.

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Yeah, and don't forget they've stripped Mike Pizzillo out well. So this is an emasculating of the portfolio.

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Indeed it is.

Speaker 2

Now a new report by the Low Institute has found that the cost of the Orchest partnership will be a fraction of the NDIS. The nuclear powered submarines are reported to cost around ten billion dollars a year, which is roughly one tenth of what the NDIS is predicted to cost over the next thirty years. Bronwin, this is a big problem. The ndis a clear cost blowout. No one says it's not an important initiative, but we've seen in recent months that the scheme is being abused and misused.

Speaker 10

Yes it is. And the point that.

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The realization has to be this, if we can't defend ourselves, if we can't remain a free and independent nation, there will.

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Be no NDIS nil.

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We have to have our economy structured so that we can support those in need.

Speaker 10

But the way it is roarted.

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One of the most terrifying figures I've seen in recent times is of all new jobs that were created in the last twelve months, thirty percent of them went to the ndis now the way in which money is being ripped out of the system. There has to be caps put on it. But Shorten just talks about it, flaps the lips, goes on radio, says oh, I'm doing something about it, and never does because he'll get criticized by that section of the community. So there has to be a strong policy that does put.

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Caps in place.

Speaker 9

It says, he's an allocation of money. It can't go above there's the amount. The question of registration has to be addressed. But in order that mister Shorten can keep his leadership hopes alive, he will do nothing because he'll become in for heavy criticism.

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So that is the problem. But the fundamental thing is this.

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The job of the federal government is to protect the country and protect the people up and if that fails, then all the sorts of wellherd famous we have will disappear.

Speaker 2

No indeed, but Caleb, I think it's extraordinary that this is clearly the biggest future issue affecting the federal government, and there's just not enough action to even develop a path to try and reign in the costs.

Speaker 13

No, and I mean you look at the cost of the NDAs and then the cost that they're now putting towards trying to stop the ruts at least find some of the routers, which is about four hundred and fifty million dollars a year, which is about ten percent of the entire NDAs budget. So ten percent of the NDA's budget is being spent to catch the people who are routing the system. If that doesn't tell you the system

is broken, then then nothing else will. And going back to Orcus, you cannot put a price on the defense of the nation. And Ronwood makes the point about how many jobs have been created through the NDAs, many of which are nonsense jobs. There are jobs to be created in defense now. Of course, this report also goes on to say that there's concern about whether or not we

have the workforce to complete some of those jobs. And again, what are we doing as a country if we are so shortsighted that we are willing to spend the billions and billions and billions that we spend on the NDAs, which is clearly over the top and being rauted, And we quibble over how much money is being spent on ucas and we're not putting the pieces in place to get the people, train up the kids to go and build those submarines and do all the other jobs that comes with defense.

Speaker 2

Well, we've totally lost the plot we have. Indeed, this sort of conversations you do depress you about the future of our country. Now something a bit lighter. According to a new poll in The Guardian, of all places, they say that Australians have warmed to Donald Trump over the past four years, with apparently thirty six percent of ozs is now saying they have a favorable view of the

farmer and maybe future president. This is a fifteen percent increase compared to November twenty twenty from when I think it's so interesting that at the last election there are a whole lot of people who were too shy or scared to admit that they were Donald Trump fans. We're not seeing that now, and including high profile people in the tech sector in Wall Street and the United States are coming out supporting him.

Speaker 10

There awful good reason.

Speaker 9

They know that America is laughed at with the current leadership, and they know that strong leadership is desperately needed. They know that Donald Trump has been put through the mill.

Speaker 10

To put it mildly, they've.

Speaker 9

Tried to take him off the ballot paper, They've had all these lawfare cases against him, and then he survives an assassination attempt and still comes out fighting and capable and on top of it. Now, being the leader of

the free world is complex. To put it mildly, There are many issues you have to deal with all the time, and they want someone who is able to deal with a multitude of issues at a sensible intellectual level with strength, which will show the rest of the world that America can be a strong leader.

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Again.

Speaker 2

It's going to continue to be a fascinating election. Just before we are.

Speaker 10

Less interested in his table manners.

Speaker 2

Yeah, indeed, just before we go Caleb and New Zealand has described its carbon emissions reduction targets as unachievable by twenty thirty. This is the first major airline to actually admit that it's not going to meet its targets. Are you expecting to see other companies come out and say, look, we couldn't quite get that.

Speaker 13

Well, if they've got the gonades to admit that they can't quite get there, I mean in New Zealand has just had the common sense to say, look, it's simply not possible. It's not possible anywhere. I mean everyone who works in the energy sector in this country privately, not necessarily publicly, will admit that Australia is not going to achieve its renewable targets by twenty thirty and certainly won't achieve its net zero targets by twenty thirty because you

don't have the renewable energy coming online. The energy sector knows that, but the government won't admit it. So the energy sector is actually scared. People feel scared to come out and publicly say leaders from AGL and whatever, that we're not going to meet those targets because they worry about the retribution that they will face from the federal government for doing so, even though they all know it.

And I think that's what will cause other companies to just sort of sit idly by and not admit that these problems exist, because you go on, well, you know, we'll get to twenty thirty and we'll deal with it then, but we all know it's not going to happen. Just admit that it won't happen and get on with the job.

Speaker 2

Peter Dutton has said those targets aren't going to be met, so he said, you know, we're not going to even abide by that connatement Albaniz he attacked him over that.

Speaker 12

But what's going to happen?

Speaker 3

I mean, at what point is Albani? Is he going to admit that Australia won't meet.

Speaker 2

The twenty thirty targets and he doesn't even want to talk about what the targets will be for twenty thirty five. They do have to make a decision on that. Chris Bowen's in charge of.

Speaker 13

That one, so I don't think he wants to admit it because it's embarrassing and then we know that's the last thing that likes in reality. True.

Speaker 2

All right, brother and Bishop Calebon, thank you both so much, and Caleb will of course see you ten o'clock tonight. Now coming up after the break, the Albenzi government is slashing surveillance of boat arrivals. Shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty would join me live plus Judith Sloan on whether we're winning or losing the fight against inflation.

Speaker 3

Welcome back.

Speaker 2

Well, over the past two years, as we've been discussing tonight, while labor has been in power, surveillance flights to detect illegal boat arrivals have dropped by twenty two percent. Ben Packhen reports that the maritime patrol hours will also down nineteen percent over the same period. Well, let's bring in our shadow Defense Minister, Andrew Hasty. Andrew, great to see you again. Look, why do you think the Albenzi government is dedicating fewer resources to boat and aerial surveillance.

Speaker 14

We've seen surveillance flight hours and maritime patrol hours go down under this government. They're under investing in Operation Sovereign Borders, and all that does is send a signal that we're not serious about protecting our borders. It signals weakness to the very people we're trying to stop, the people smugglers. So the best way to deter people smugglers is to

demonstrate you serious about protecting the borders. And in order to do that, you need to have a fairly heavy surveillance presence, both in the air and on the water. On this government. It's gone down and since the twenty two election we've had nineteen voter rivals. Just in the last two months we've had about five voter rivals with one hundred and fifty odd people illegally arriving in our waters.

So that's a problem and we're going to see more of it, particularly with Tony Burke now the Home Affairs Minister.

Speaker 2

Look, the Prime Minister has said that it's the coalition that's talking up this problem, that's sending the message to people smugglers, that it's now Labour's now weak on this issue and that there'll be more go to rivals. What's your response to that accusation.

Speaker 14

I think Anthony Albanesi is not someone who takes responsibility and his job as the Prime Minister is pretty simple. It's to keep our border secure, it's to keep our country safe, and it's to build our prosperity. He's failing at the first hurdle. He can't even keep our borders secure. So what does he do. He points at the coalition and says that we're creating something out of nothing. Well,

I think the record speaks for itself. The regular Rudd years showed people smugglers, that labour can't be taken seriously on border protection. And as we've seen since the May twenty two election, we've seen nineteen vote rivals. So I think the evidence is in this government is week on borders and people smugglers are working this Prime Minister out.

Speaker 2

When I spoke to your colleague James Patterson today, he accused Albanesi and Tony Burke of launching what he called unhinged attacks on him.

Speaker 3

Here's what they both had to say.

Speaker 5

Can I just say what an idiotic comment? Body has clearly never been a binister and has he's made up a way of looking at statistics about me. If that's the character of my shadow, then we'll just deal with what comes out.

Speaker 4

James Patterson is a shocking message to Australians that all you need to do is to be negative and oppose everything about time James Patterson stood up for the Australian national interest.

Speaker 2

Andrew Hasty, what do you think about this sort of character attack?

Speaker 14

I hear two deeply insecure men attacking my colleague, who's very competent, is across his brief and has created all sorts of challenges for this government by keeping them accountable in his role as shadow Home Affairs Minister. So I'm pretty sure James Patterson will be framing those quotes because all it demonstrates is that this government hates when we call them out. They know he's competent, and as I always like to say, the flak is thickest when you're

over the target. James consistently over the target when it comes to Labour's border protection policies.

Speaker 2

Now, what about this decision by the Prime Minister to break up the Home Affairs portfolio. I mean he stripped now ASIO, the top spy agency, out of it, has moved it to the Attorney Generals. His reason that we just showed you earlier was because it needs to go with the AFP. But ASIO and the AFP were both under Home Affairs when he took office. So what do you think about this dismantling of dismantling of what was once a superministry in charge of our national security.

Speaker 14

They've completely dismembered Home Affairs. They're absolutely right. I think this has been on the cards for some time. I was the chair of the Intelligence Committee when we passed the enabling legislation for the Home Affairs portfolio. Mark Dreyfus back then, who was the Shadow Attorney General, he made it very clear that he didn't support this, and it's no surprise now that he has broken down the Home Affairs Minister. He's stripped out the operational agencies, the AFP

and ASIO. He's brought them into his portfolio, so now he gets to run operations and also issue warrants. And I think there was a healthy tension at the cabinet table. Labor have dismantled that and I think it we're poorer for it as a result.

Speaker 2

I mean, it's obviously not something you would announce now, but do you envisage that the coalition would strengthen Home Affairs again if it did get into government.

Speaker 14

I'm sure that's something that Peter Dutton and James Patterson and the rest of the team will be considering in coming weeks and months.

Speaker 13

Yes.

Speaker 2

Yeah, just finally you are shadow Defense Minister. And there are concerns tonight as we got to air that Israel and Lebanon are.

Speaker 3

In the cusp of war.

Speaker 2

This after the tragic murder by Hesblah of twelve children in Majdal Chams Nettna, who has vowed to retaliate. He says it'll be a direct strike and has warned this will be coming.

Speaker 3

We don't know precisely.

Speaker 2

When are you concerned that the Iranian backed Hesbela are provoking and have been provoking for months now Israel into a broader war that could escalate.

Speaker 14

I think Hasbellah, of course, are always seeking to provoke Israel, along with Hamas, and if you read both of their charters as I have done, they're committed to the destruction of the state of Israel. So these aren't people who want peace. They're not going to negotiate, and they'll continue their attacks on Israel forever essentially, and so Israel has to defend itself. We've been very consistent as the coalition.

Israel has a right to defend itself. Of course, it's terrible to see those twelve children killed, innocent kids killed, along with all the innocent life that we've seen lost over the past nine months or so. But the best way to defeat terrorism is to show strength, and Israel has every right to defend itself after this last attack.

Speaker 2

And of course Peter Dutton is actually in Israel at the moment, a four day trip. He met overnight with Israeli President Isaac Hertzog. I mean, Andrew, what does this say about the coalition's commitment to Israel and the Jewish community here in Australia.

Speaker 14

I think it demonstrates that Peter Dutton is a friend of Israel. He's a friend of the Jewish community here in Australia. He's been very consistent in calling out terrorism and condemning it. He's been very consistent in upholding Israel's rights self defense, and I think that demonstrates that we are committed to maintaining the one democracy in the Middle East. And that's why Peter's gone all the way over there to meet with their officials and to demonstrate his support

in person. There's nothing like a house call, Sharry, as you know.

Speaker 2

Yeah, a very significant trip for a huge signal of solidarity. If only our Prime minister would have made such a trip like many other Western leaders did after October seven, Andrew HASTI thank you very much for your time.

Speaker 3

Now, turning to the economy.

Speaker 2

Now, and we're anxiously awaiting crucial inflation data that will drop tomorrow and it will influence the RBA's decision on whether we need another rate rise. To analyze this, let's bring in now economist Judith Sloan. Judith, thank you very much for your time. Are you expecting inflation to rise tomorrow?

Speaker 15

Well, let's hope that it doesn't rise, Shari, but the key will be at eleven thirty. We can all go to the AB's website and have a look at the key variable, which is the underlying rate of inflation. So that's called, rather arcanely, the trim mean. So if that the bank expects it to be three point eight, If it's that's an annual percentage increase. If it's three point nine or four, then that is very bad news, and it carries with it the possibility that the cash rate

will be raised next week. So you know, we've got two very exciting events for economists.

Speaker 12

And possibly other people too.

Speaker 15

So the Reserve Bank meets next week on Monday and Tuesday, and they will make the announcement on what they're doing about the cash rate early on Tuesday afternoon.

Speaker 2

Exciting for US journalists, but nerve wracking for many struggling families who'll be very worried that there might be another rate rise.

Speaker 3

We've had.

Speaker 2

The economist Warren Hogan on this show, he's predicted two rate rises this year. He even says potentially a third in November. What do you think about this?

Speaker 15

Well, I think it's all a sort of in play, so to speak. And you're absolutely right to talk about the families who are bearing the cost of living, precious

families with large mortgages. But of course there is one person who's particularly sweating on this, and that's Jim Chalmers, the Treasurer, because I think ultimately his reputation, I mean, it's hard to say it just comes down to a single point, but in many ways, I think it does come down to some signature events, and this will be one of them, because essentially what he has been telling us is that no inflation. He said this in the

budget extraordinarily, that he's got inflation under control. It was essentially because of the war in Ukraine, but in fact, if you look at the monthly figures this year, we're basically one of the only developed economies where the rate of inflation hasn't come down. So a lot of there's a lot riding on his reputation and among caucus, because you know, if the mortgage rates start to decline, people will I think sie with relief and think, well, maybe

it is all on track. If that doesn't happen, I think it's a different ballgame.

Speaker 2

Well, the Treasurer has said that accusations that big spending governments were adding to inflationary pressures.

Speaker 3

He's called that ridiculous.

Speaker 2

But yet we've seen Chris Richardson, another economist, say that the start of the Stage three tax cuts, along with the new federal and state spending, amounted to an extra forty six billion dollars being poured into the economy this financial year. He says that's the best part of two percent of the national income. And he says, and I think this is really interesting. He says, that's a huge relative to the amount of money the irba's rate rises have taken.

Speaker 3

Out of the economy.

Speaker 2

You know, do you agree with him that they have been these inflationary pressures from the Stage three tax cuts and the spending in both state and federal budgets.

Speaker 15

Well, absolutely, I mean, essentially it comes down to what we call excess demand. That we've clearly had excess demand in the economy for some time. That's why the Reserve Bank has pushed up the cash rate to try and dampen the extenter of excess demand. And you know, essentially, while they've had their foot on the break, these governments have had their foot on the accelerate. And now Albanezi is inclined to talk about the surpluses that they have recorded.

But the surpluses have just been dumb luck, basically because we've had high commodity prices and also surging income tax revenue.

Speaker 12

But the truth of the matter is that if you go and.

Speaker 15

Look at spending, the spending growth is very considerable, and if you add in what the state governments have been up to, you know, you really are having a situation where the governments are actually not helping in the inflation fight.

Speaker 3

Yeah.

Speaker 2

Yeah, and then there's a rental crisis of course, which is one of the factors behind inflation remaining high. Clara O'Neil, who's been a troubled minister, has now been put in the housing portfolio. Judith, does that give you any confidence?

Speaker 15

Well no, but if you think if you go and look at the CPI, it's obviously made up of various components, and housing is the biggest one.

Speaker 12

So housing it's not house price that.

Speaker 15

Are there, but rents there and construction costs are there and that remains a real problem.

Speaker 12

Look, I think one of the things.

Speaker 15

About Claire O'Neil is that she failed in home affairs, but somehow we're expected to think she'll be some fabulous success in housing.

Speaker 12

I think the housing problem.

Speaker 15

Is really difficult, and one of the things that they have to do in which she failed to do when she was Home Affairs, is reduced the migrant intake because that's putting too much pressure on the housing market. So again, I'm not sure I'm optimistic there.

Speaker 3

Yeah, no, I don't think any of us are.

Speaker 2

Just before you go, Judith, we've seen today a big story that there are grave concerns for the regional airline rex It suspended share trading on the asx it stopped selling certain flights earlier today. The Prime Minister spoke about this deepening crisis earlier today.

Speaker 3

Let's have a quick look.

Speaker 4

We are concerned about rex. It's an important regional airline. What we will do though, is examine any proposals. Rex received substantial government support with no conditions attached.

Speaker 2

The finn Review is reporting that e Y is already involved with the embattled carry out. We're not likely to hear any statement to the ASX.

Speaker 3

Or to the market until tomorrow.

Speaker 2

What are you expecting here and what kind of impact would it have on the market.

Speaker 15

Look, I think that was very lukewarm support from the Prime Minister, to tell you the truth. He somehow thinks that the company is well, it's fine as long as it engages in regional travel. But of course what Briggs did was to try and take on the big boys in the Melbourne, Sydney Brisbane roots.

Speaker 12

And I think, you know, it's pretty.

Speaker 15

Vicious the way the particularly Quantus acted when Rex tried to get into it. You just have to wonder whether the Albanese government is effectively a friend of Quantus. And you know they're happy for Rex to play in a small sand pit, but they kind of seem he seemed to be critical of the decision which you know was actually giving a pretty good deal to consumers of them using jets and engaging in those very busy roots.

Speaker 12

Yeah.

Speaker 2

Or the topic of the Prime Minister's relationship cozy relationship with Quantus was examined Thority last year, but there's probably a lot more to unpack on it, so perhaps more to come. Judith Sloan really appreciate your insights. You are always spot on and we love reading your columns.

Speaker 3

Thank you very much for joining us.

Speaker 2

Now still to come. Australian university is accused of handing out degrees to those who can't understand basic English. Plus Google responds to the revelations we spoke about here last night that it's censoring searchers on Donald Trump's attempted assassination.

Speaker 12

Welcome back.

Speaker 2

Well, lots more to get through tonight, so let's bring in our political panel joining me now. LNP Senator James McGrath and Sky News contributor Gary Hardgrave, Welcome it to you both. Look at investigation by The Guardian has revealed quite a shocking story. They're saying that Australian universities are being accused of handing out degrees to international students who

can't speak, write, or even understand basic English. The detail in this investigation the Guardians being told that the only way to fail a course would be to hand nothing in unless universities came up with a coherent institutional response. They also say that some of the academics who spoke to them so that they were continuing to teach courses, where as many as half their cohort didn't appear to

understand the content, but they still passed. And that they're saying once centers of excellence are now profit centers chasing enrollments and revenue. James McGrath. There are already rules in place, but you know that university students or international students who have international student visas are required to have a grasp of English. But it doesn't look like this is being followed.

Speaker 6

It doesn't look like it's being followed or enforced. And you only have to speak to any university students and they will tell you about their experiences with international students, students who they are friends with and they like and they play sport together. But it is but the failure to understand basic English that is not just letting down Australian students. It's actually letting down those students from overseas

whose parents have are paying for their degrees. So everyone is being ripped off here apart from the universe, who are milking these students as cash cows, and no one is benefiting from it. It's one of these things where the universities need to have a good hard look at themselves and work out what business are they in. Are they in the business of ripping off people or are they in the business of educating people? And that's what universities should be focusing on.

Speaker 2

Someone said something very smart to me on Friday, which is that we need people coming to Australia who are going to build our country up and not tear it down. And so we do want the brightest students coming here. So Gary, do you think you know there needs to be a new approach where if you want to come starty here and you don't know English, then you need to have a language course at the same time as part of the degree.

Speaker 1

You'd think so.

Speaker 16

When you're Sharry and Jake mcgarra and I both graduated from the same university, only a couple of years apart, I'd like to add I did it as a mature age student. And you know, at my time at griff at the university, we saw a lot of people who were being given all sorts of assistants all the way through those courses that.

Speaker 1

We were competing in. It's as simple as that.

Speaker 16

But look, universities have got this sort of two edged sword and they're going to get sliced and dice and a better which way they go, because some courses they can't run unless they've got a large cohort of international, full fee paying students actually in the course. So Australian students who on merit get to do that course may not find the course available.

Speaker 1

And the universities are so heavily.

Speaker 16

Geared around, like all the state government bureaucracies about paying their vice chancellors big dollars, you know, million dollar plus fees a lot of them get. We've probably got too many universities in Australia, frankly, and I know the Group of Eight have got a concern that the old Sandstone Universities.

Speaker 1

They want to see more people coming into the country.

Speaker 16

And there's a lot of reasons for it, but you're right. If they can't speak English, they can't participate culturally in the country. They're not getting the real Australian experience, and there's no point in having them isolated off campus and not really involved in Australia while they're studying in Australia. So it's a real rethink that's going to happen.

Speaker 1

Here, Shari.

Speaker 16

We do need migration to build our country and we need the friendship that comes from these university students. But if they're not speaking to us in our language, our national language, maybe a lot of this is fraught with failure.

Speaker 1

But they're still making money. The university bosses, they're doing it well.

Speaker 2

No, indeed, they are weak leadership when it comes to social cohesion and protecting students from racism.

Speaker 9

Though.

Speaker 3

Now let's have a look at the story.

Speaker 2

We discussed this last night that Google is censoring search results for Donald Trump's assassination attempt, and then overnight Google has now responded to this. A spokesman for the tech giants said that Google systems and I will knew this.

Speaker 3

Is a bit of gobbledygoog.

Speaker 2

They said that protections against autocomplete predictions associated with political violence, which we're working as intended prior to this horrific event. And they say they're working on improvements to ensure our systems are more up to date. James, this is nonsense. I mean, you type in attempted assassination of and there's no Donald Trump that comes up. All these other people come up, and even when you type in d O

Nald still doesn't come up. You know, you wouldn't be so suspicious except that the tech giants do have a history of censoring stories that are firmly in the public interest. James McGrath.

Speaker 6

They are censoring stories, whether it's deliberately or it's through some algorithms or whatever it is, because we do know that the big tech companies have traditionally lent to the left. And what we're seeing not just with Google, but Facebook also censored that famous picture of Donald Trump with the security guard with sorry, with the security guards around him and the flag in the background. They censored that. So

it is a bit of a wake up call. And it's good that we've got Elon Musk coming out, someone who was formerly of the left and is coming out now to call helped call out these big tech companies because the danger is if they're prepared to censor Donald Trump, what else are they prepared to censor? And what don't we know? This is the issue. What don't we know that is being censored?

Speaker 2

And Elon Musk are tweeted, I don't know what his new word is for xt, but anyway, he tweeted saying probably just a coincident, coincidence that Google employees were the top donors to Biden, so an accusation there.

Speaker 3

That this is politically motivated.

Speaker 1

Gary, Yeah, and no doubt about it.

Speaker 17

I think even the response from Google you've read was actually generated by artificial intelligence, because it is, without a doubt, give me a response to to keep Chari markson happy, and they've sort of come up with something. So but artificial intelligence is better than absolutely no intelligence. They often not talked about a NI, but look, Shari, in the end, you know we've got to do our search, pick up a book, read a book, read papers, read a range

of stuff. Don't you simply ask Google to separate the facts from the fiction then? And the problem is that a whole generation of people just now are just so used to trusting what comes through the device. I mean, Wikipedia has been a classic example in my view that people school kids, I think should be marked down for using Wikipedia as their only source because you can just make stuff up. You can do whatever you like there,

so you know, get a range of views. But thank god for Elon Musk, because he is now the arbiter of all fairness in the broad economic reality of the social media space.

Speaker 1

As the.

Speaker 2

Thank you always enjoy a compliment. But there are other problems on the platform X no question, but we don't have time for that now. Gary Hargrave and James McGrath think you both very much for your time now still to come. We're live in Paris ahead of another jam pack day at the Olympic Games. That after the break.

Speaker 12

Let's turn to.

Speaker 2

Paris now where Australia is sitting fourth on the Olympics tally with nine medals overall. And I'm joined by Fox Spots reporter Hannah Hollis. Hannah, great to see you. Look at Big News this afternoon. The men's Olympic triathlon has been at postponed.

Speaker 3

What happened?

Speaker 18

So wonderful to chat to you, Shari, Yeah, in this developing story, and it won't surprise anyone that was paying attention and the lead up to the Olympics, because the biggest question on the lips of everyone, including organizers was will the river send be fit for play? And right now, Sharry, the answer is no. Unfortunately, that contamination in the river is still unsatisfactory for athletes to get into to perform the men's triathlon that was supposed to get underway earlier today.

So officials have decided we're going to are on the side of caution and instead delay that for twenty four hours, so now the men will take to the water after the women do at eight am the women and then ten forty five for the men.

Speaker 12

It's such a shame.

Speaker 18

Because the river sen was supposed to start during this Olympics, and we saw the river that connects beautiful parts of the city feature in the opening ceremony, but it was supposed to also be an iconic place for our tra athletes to swim through and it's not looking like the case at the moment. But in good news, hopefully this hot weather is going to help lift that temperature of the water and kill the bad bacteria that's currently keeping the river from being in play.

Speaker 2

Yeah, and a two point five billion dollars I understand was spent trying to clean it up. Look, those of us who aren't staying up all night to watch the Olympics, we woke up to the wonderful news today that there'd been an Olympic gold medal and silver in the pool. Big day for our Golden girls. It was wonderful.

Speaker 18

Not since two thousand and four showery have Australia gone one and two in the pool, and that was Eanthorpe and Grant Hacker, But it's all about Morio Callahan and Arian Tipmas. They were first and second in the world women's two hundred meter freestyle. It's just awesome and Mario Callahan set an Olympic record in the process.

Speaker 2

And what about tonight, Hannah, what can we look forward to? What events are on later tonight while we're probably all sleeping.

Speaker 18

There's so much good stuff to come. More action in the pool. We've just seen King Kyle Chalmers. He's qualified sixth for the men's one hundred meter freestyle. We'll see him in action a little bit later. But all eyes are going to be looking at our Australian boomers. They play Canada, who are outside the USA tip to medal at this Olympics. That's going to be the boomer's biggest

test so far. And our women's rugby seven side they also play Canada in the semifinal as our twenty sixteen rio gold medalists get a one step closer to reaching gold again.

Speaker 2

All right, Hannah Hollis, we are out of time. Thanks for the update. I'll see you tomorrow at eight. And here's poor Murray

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