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Good Evening Tonight, I'll exclusively reveal the two targets of the caravan filled with explosives. These targets will send shock waves.
Through the community.
So far, police and politicians have refused to tell you the intended targets, but we believe you deserve to know.
That's in just a moment.
Also tonight, the Prime Minister slammed for going on the Kyle and Jackie Oh Show instead of taking major action on this wave of anti Semitic terror.
The Prime Minister was nowhere to be.
Seen, and David Ossi will join me to discuss this. As parents awoke to yet more anti Semitic graffiti now on a schoolgate, Jewish leaders are calling for twenty four hour police outside of schools, and Rabbi Levi Wolf will join me in studio at this time of fear and anxiety. Also on the show tonight, we'll bring you the latest from that tragic plane crash in Washington, where first responders are now searching for survivors, and breaking news as we
go to air. Three more hostages have been released by her must to the Red Crossing Gaza. A Gumberger was once again paraded on stage. She has just moments ago been reunited in Israel. We'll come back to all of that in a moment, but let's start now with the major breaking news. I can tonight reveal the two targets of the caravan filled with explosives. The addresses written down inside the caravan were of the Great Synagogue in Sydney
and the Sydney Jewish Holocaust Museum. To think perpetrators would have potentially targeted a museum commemorating the Holocaust, a time when six million Jews were killed, is truly horrifying. This is a museum to educate the public, to educate future generations, and to honor the memories of those lost, and to make sure that antisemitism never happens again. Now, that second address inside the caravan, my sources tell me, is the Great Synagogue. This is a beautiful temple in the heart
of Sydney's CBD, a synagogue I know well. I had my butt mits for there and my parents were married there. Now, these targets, this is information the police haven't released publicly, but we think you have the right to know. The more information we know, the more the Jewish community can protect themselves. David Ossif is on my show tonight and he confirms that no Jewish community or security organizations were told about this terror threat before the Daily Telegraph broke the news yesterday.
But the first we had specific information about this incident was when the Daily Telegraph article was published.
And the Prime Minister, Anthony Albinizi is now facing questions about what he knew and when, and he's under pressure for his I mean, it's too soft a word to say inadequate, but his inadequate handling of this wave of anti Semitic terror in our country. He joked around on a talkback radio station, an FM radio station instead of holding a major press conference. First thing this morning, he went on Kyle and Jackie O's show, where the first question.
Was what does the Prime Minister do on Christmas Day?
He could have come out or even come on here on Sky News and answered tough questions about this wave of domestic terror, but instead he chose to go on a lighthearted breakfast radio show.
But you don't even wake up on Christmas Day and we'll get ur undies and just have a look what's under the tree. There's none of that for you.
Did you fly home straight after and spend it with the.
Family or none of that. Look it was Jodie came up with me, So it was, and the Governor General was there. It was one of the best things I have done in my life because I've done heaves well well that that could get both of us in trouble, particularly me, well, yes, yes.
Your job would be a jeopardy.
Cole to say this is disrespectful is an understatement. Eventually, after some joking and back and forth, and I don't blame Kyle and Jackie, oh, of course not.
This is their radio show to their job. I blame the Prime Minister for this.
After some back and forth, they eventually got to the thwarted terror attack.
But thank god for an eagle eyed residence the Old God.
Or whoever that person is, has saved so many lives.
And the authorities, of course are continuing their investigation, the Irish super regular briefings of course on security issues. And could I say this to our police and our security and intelligence age that she do do an amazing job and people need to be held to account for what are crimes and put these people in the clink and keep them there, put them in.
The clink and keep them there.
How did we end up with this Prime Minister? And that was his phrase for the day, put them in the clink? He kept repeating it. The Prime Minister refused to say today when he was told about this terror threat of the caravan with explosives. The Premier Chris Mins had no problem saying that he was briefed on January the twentieth, but Albanezi, when asked, claimed that was an operational question.
So I mean, was it a few days after nineteen there? You haven't give us a date.
But I don't go into as I understood, I don't go into operational details.
When the Prime Minister was briefed by police is not an operational matter. If it was, the Premier wouldn't have been able to answer the same question. Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson said the Prime Minister needs to explain when he was told and what action he took.
Here he was speaking with my colleague Chris Kenny.
When was the Prime Minister briefed? Was he briefed on the same day as Chris Mins? And if so, what action did he take in response to this? Did he convene a National security Committee of Cabinet. What measures did they put in place to protect the Jewish community and
all Australians. What reassurance did they provide the Jewish community based on their knowledge of this incident, or if in fact he was not briefed, then we need to understand why, because if the new South Borols premier knows, that the Prime Minister should surely know.
And Peter Darkan came out and said that this anti submitted crisis is because the Prime Minister failed to take early action.
This is a deeply concerning matter and it hasn't gone away as an issue for our country. We're still seeing overnight attacks on Jewish homes and when you have Holocaust survivors who have lived in our country since nineteen forty five in peace are now saying that they feel unsafe in our country. It is a national disgrace and the Prime Minister has presided over this deteriorating situation and I want to make sure that we can do everything we can.
Meanwhile, Treasurer Jim Chalmers has apologized today after clumsy wording on breakfast television when he implied that the Jewish community's fears had sometimes been unfounded.
Look This is obviously a terrifying development, and what it shows is that the fears that a lot of Australians and the Jewish community have are not always unfounded. This is a chilling course of events, deeply troubling, unsettling, and what it shows is that the fears in the Jewish community are not always unfounded.
The Treasurer told me today that he was sorry for these choice of words, and I don't believe he's our enemy. Unlike alban Easy and Penny Wog and Tony Burke, the Treasurer has never been a pro Palestinian activist. Chalmers said to me that he's had that relay to him how it was interpreted, He said, I apologize. My intention was to share and acknowledge the very real and understandable fears and concerns in the Jewish community in light of recent events.
I could have and should have expressed that more clearly, and I'm sorry I didn't. We've never ever heard Pennywang or Albanezi apologize for deliberately offending the community. And Jim Chalmers told me he also phoned as more number of Jewish community leaders and relayed that message directly to them. Now I want to talk about the actual incident itself. And here's what we know so far. Scott Marshall and Tammy Feruja. Now I showed you these two on my
show early last week. I was the first journalist to name and show you the image of Scott Marshall there, and I told you how they'd been charged in relation or at least Tammy had been charged in relation to the Willara vandalism where cars were torched and homes were graffiti. This was the second Willara vandalism incident, you may recall. I also showed you how Tammy had posted online looking
for a Jerry can. Well, now this same pair are part of the police investigation relating to the caravan with explosives. The Herald reported that Tammy posted online looking for a caravan and here are those hosts.
There's two of them.
Anyone got a caravan for sale? Need one asapp I've got money. Police Commissioner Karen Webb said police did have in custody the owner of the caravan.
The owner registered owner of that caravan is a person that is in custody on unrelated matters. The owner is out of play and in custody.
And police are still investigating who's behind all of this.
They believe that career criminals have been hired to commit these attacks.
They say they are very confident that they'll catch the perpetrators behind it.
All the matters, as I said, the graffiti overnight, will be under investigation and taken as seriously as other matters and will continue to hunt those people until we find them.
The New South Wales police are doing everything possible to catch these people.
And carab Web went on to attack the Daily Telegraph for publishing this information.
We wouldn't know about any of.
This if it weren't for Mark Murray and his editor Ben English. And I can tell you the police didn't ask the Telegraph not to publish. If they had, Ben English of course would have held off publishing. He's not going to jeopardize a terrorist investigation. But the police didn't ask, so there could be good operational reasons for not going public.
And we'll give the police the benefit of the doubt.
But given they look, you have to say lied or at least misled us. Yesterday they claimed the Jewish community had been informed, and we now know the Jewish community hadn't. Well, we just have to wait until all the facts are on the table. All right, let's bring in now my Thursday Night Panel four. I'm a Speaker of the House, Bronwin Bishop and National Senator Matt Canavan, Bronwen. This was described as a potential terror attack. Had this exploded, this
could have caused a mass casualty event. Don't the public deserve to know about this?
Absolutely they do. And now that the police are talking about there being an organization behind these attacks, that they are coordinated, let's go back to stage one of what happened after the massacre of October seven, beheadings, rapes, atrocities on human beings. What we saw was before Israel for any action at all. We saw that dreadful demonstration at the Opera House. Now nothing was done, but it happened all over the world. It didn't happen by accident, or
did it. Was there some organization that made it spring up to try and seize the ground and turn themselves into victims. And if that's the case, is there a broader network of people who perhaps are using that caravan as a storage depot to which other people can be told to go and they can collect explosives or they can find lists or anything else they need to carry out an anti Semitic act. Now it can be something that's going to escalate and get worse until we do
see indeed deaths. So I found that conference with the police quite confusing. I think that confusing is the word, because on the one hand, the prison was being well with the telegraphs specifically was being blamed for making these facts known when people ought to be scared. You've got the treasure who picks up the vibe that's going around obviously around the federal cabinet, which says, well, we don't really believe that these speedle are really threatened so much,
which is what those words meant to me. And then you've got the police saying, well, we think there are a group of people, criminals who are actually doing it. So I think there is so much more to know. I think there needs to be a coming clean a moment because I don't think we're getting the full story at the moment.
Matt Canavan, what do you think I've just revealed tonight the two addresses that were in the caravan filled with explosives enough reportedly for a forty meter blast wave, the Great Synagogue and the Sydney Jewish Museum, that's the Holocaust Museum.
You know, how has it got to this point?
Do you agree that this is due to a lack of action and leadership and tough enforcement from the very start.
Well, look, first of all, it's just shocking to see this happen in our country which has always been so harmonious and peaceful, or generally so. And it must be even worse for those in the Jewish community. So the main thoughts are with them, and hopefully they know that. I think the vast majority of Austrains, I know the vast majority of his strains are with them and will do
everything we can to protect them. Look, in terms of the reasons for this, look, it can't be shitted home to one person, of course, especially if there are foreigners
behind this, foreign actors behind this. It's very concerning. We don't know that for sure, of course, but we must be always mindful here that there may be people off our shores wishing us ill, not just if from the potential risks of a terrorist attack, but also the chilling effects on community harmony and cohesion of the threat of one, of the threat of one and the uncertainty created by it. So we need to be very careful about making sure that we do united as Australians and remember what we
value and what brings us together. And look, certainly the Prime Minister's lack of leadership has not helped matters. He has not brought the country together through these difficult times. So I'm not going to sit here and say the
Prime ministers directly to blame for these things. Of course he's not doing these things, but not showing the kind of leadership he should as a prime minister has not helped matters and it certainly doesn't help us combat these potentially these allegedly potentially foreign actors willing to divide Australians.
Well, I don't think they are foreign actors because New South Wales Police went on radio today and they said there was no evidence that there was foreign actors. That's New South Wales Police on record on the radio saying they didn't know what the Prime Minister was referring to and maybe it was.
The AFP has put out a statement though, saying that they suspect that it may be and as I said, there's an uncertainty about it, but it's definitely possible.
Well, I've reported that they have no tangible evidence at all. They might get the evidence it might turn out to be, but at this point in time, and I've got very good police sources, there is no tangible evidence for foreign actors at all.
Now let's turn to Washington, d C.
Where emergency services have pulled multiple bodies from a river following a horrific mid air crash between a passenger plane and a military helicopter. The American Airlines jet was carrying sixty four people went when it went down, and the black Hawk had three military soldiers. This is just horrific, Brunwin, really really tragic news. The first responders are now starring the river looking for survivors.
Survivors, I think is a hopeful word. It's the most appalling crash. I do not understand how it took place the Apache, and I know that aircraft quite well. I have flown in it. The Apache is an aircraft with breath sophistication. We're going to buy some here. I do not understand how it could get in the flight path of that passion to plane. I think there's a lot of questions to be asked, and I think the new
Secretary of Defense who's just been approved. He's going to have his first major task on his hands to get to the bottom of it.
What's your reaction to this, Matt Canavan, Well, it's just tragic.
It's just terribly tragic to see families fighting at an airport for their loved ones to land, and to be so close and first of course have the uncertainty of where are they and ultimately obviously going to receive the most crushing news that you can in your life, and your just heart goes out to those people. You don't see this type of accent occurring too often. It's really hard. As Browin says, there does seem to be some other
questions that will have to be asked here. The President's already put our statement out questioning what happened and how it was to happen. It'll have to be get gotten to.
The bottom of all, right, Matt Canvan.
You've put on the table this week whether the government should withdraw from net zero targets, and specifically, Matt, you were one of a group of coalition MPs arguing in a letter that the net zero Climate Pact is risking our economy.
What's your argument.
Here, Well, look a bunch of our banks. A few years ago, all the major four major banks have signed up to something called the Net Zero Banking Alliance. It's the United Nations initiative that seeks to restrict finance to various activities the United Nations doesn't like, like cold mining one of our biggest exports, gas another massive export, and even cattle farming, which we know, apparently or the United Nations think is terribly evil, that is also to be
choked from the finance pipeline. Our banks, our major banks, signed up to this, and in the last two months almost every major bank in the US, JP, Morgan Wells, Fargo, Bank of America, many others, And now in the last couple of weeks, most major Canadian banks have left the Net Zero Banking Alliance, partly in response obviously to Donald Trump. But where left in it? All our banks are still in it. Our farmers, our miners are subject to these
restrictive financial conditions. That's putting us at a competitive disadvantage as a country now. And that's why myself and some of our colleagues, my colleagues have said, let's get out of this thing and free the shackles off the Australian economy.
The issue is though Brunwan, this would then become a big issue ahead of the election, and you know this has been very controversial in the past in the past, and probably Peter Dutton doesn't want to do anything that would take votes away from him.
Well, I think that argument holds good when you're talking about pulling out of Paris. But this alliance is in a way it's an attack on capitalism itself because it's not about a lending institution making a decision as to whether this is a valid investment to make because it's safe and it's going to give a good return for the shareholders. This is about saying we don't like the business you're in and therefore we're not going to lend you. And of course the banks in this country are a
protected species. You remember in the Great Financial Crisis they were guaranteed so that they were again and that guaranteed I think still exists, maybe not to the same extent, but I think it's still there. So the banks, the banks can't the banks can't run roughshod. So I think it's a good questions and I think perhaps the pressure from international banks may have an effect on whether or not they continue to remain members or with the whole
alliance just falls apart. But Peter Dutton's quite right. He wants to focus on the things that are tearing up our nation. That's cost of living. It's about no energy and no proper energy supply that it's going through the roof and costs, and he's not going to be distracted from that.
All right.
Matt Canavan, Brahmin Bishop, thank you so much for your time.
Really appreciate it. Thank you, thank you.
All right, let's return to the major news of the terror threat. This caravan filled with enough explosives to create a forty meter blast wave. I have confirmed today that it's something the Jewish community and security organizations were not told about. I spoke earlier with David Ossip from the Jewish Board of Deputies. He's now calling for twenty four hour security presence at Jewish schools, and he confirms no Jewish organization that he's aware of knew about this prior
to the Daily Telegraph. Here he is, David Asi, thank you so much for joining us on what's been such a difficult week yet again for the Jewish community. What do you think needs to be happened now to keep the community safe.
SERI thank you so much for having me on the show, and you're right. This has been another extraordinarily challenging week for the community and just when you think you've seen it all, we are surprised. On the downside, this incident in Durrell is understandably giving deep concern to the community. If successful, this would have been the largest terrorist attack in Australia's history. The explosives in the caravan were enough to set off a blast which would have had a
radius of forty five meters. So we are talking about a crisis which is escalated to very very serious purports and the community is understandably concerned at the moment. And we have ridden to the New Subwales Police Commissioner this afternoon and we've requested twenty four our police resources outside all Jewish schools and preschools.
I mean that seems like something that's so important right now when you think of the threat, when you think of the fact a caravan was found with enough explosives that would have created and this is according to police, a forty meter blast wave. Have you had a response from the Police commissioner yet to your request for twenty four hour security outside Jewish schools and preschools.
We are still awaiting a response from the Police Commissioner, but you're entirely right. These are very serious circumstances in which we find ourselves in. It is grotesque and sickening that school children have had to rock up for their first day of school and walk past egregious messages of
anti Semitic hate. It is appalling that parents I've had to explain to their children what they're seeing, and that parents have had to explain to their kids what the Jewish community has been experiencing, not just for the past fifteen months, but for the past few weeks, where the situation has escalated to crisis like proportions.
Yeah, it's one of the most the most abhorrent things that we've seen. A preschool fire bombed, and graffiti outside schools.
You know, how can anyone.
Be so sick as to target children or the places where children go.
It's just absolutely despicable.
David Ossip, I want to ask you about when you were told of this latest threat, the caravan with explosives. Were you told about this prior to the Daily Telegraph publishing their story.
No, the first we had specific information about this incident was when the Daily Telegraph article was published. The Premier and Deputy Commissioner Hudson then held a press conference. Immediately after that press conference, the was on the phone to me, Tipicy Commissioner Hudson was on the phone to me and they provided a full briefing. But the first time that we had any information about this caravan was when the Daily Telegraph published their article on Wednesdae.
And that's the same for any Jewish community or security groups. That's my understanding that no Jewish community or security groups were informed prior to the Daily Telegraph publishing.
Is that correct?
That's my Understanding's the best of my knowledge. That's correct.
Were you disappointed in this because especially security groups might have taken different action had they known about this threat.
Look, we are fortunate as a New South Wales Jewish community to maintain a very strong working relationship with the New South Wales government and also with a range of
law enforcement agencies. And by virtue of having those relationships, there's a continuous flow of information between our community and between law enforcement and generally whether I and sort of concern they are raised with us, the message that we've received from law enforcement is that there were special circumstances, operational reasons why they were reluctant to share any information about this. And I think these questions are best directed
to police about what those operational reasons were. But we take them at face value.
Yeah, we do have to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter how disappointing it is. As far as you're aware, have the potential targets of this attack been notified at all?
Yeah?
The potential targets have now been.
Notified, okay, and they would presumably be stepping up security arrangements in light of this.
Look, there is elevated security at all communal institutions at the moment.
Yeah, as they should be now. The Premiere has shown very strong leadership. We see it every day. His words are so strong. He gets it, he cares. But the Prime Minister first thing this morning he went on Kyle and Jackie Oh's show. He was laughing about his Christmas holiday, David, do you think he's taking this seriously enough?
Well. As soon as this matter was publicized yesterday afternoon, the Premier was immediately on the front foot and held the press conference with Deputy Commissioner Hudson. The Prime Minister was nowhere to be seen. The first contact we had with the Prime Minister was when someone from his office sent us a text message with his statement. We still haven't heard from the Prime Minister. We haven't heard from the Home Affairs Minister. The number one priority for government
is the protection of its citizenry. And frankly, the Prime Minister and his government, they've overseen a crisis of antisemitism and now a crisis of domestic terrorism. And frankly, the Prime Minister needs to stand up and recognize how serious the situation is, what he's allowed to evolve under his watch, and he needs to start taking this matter very seriously and give it the ten that it deserves.
Absolutely, you couldn't be more right. It didn't start with this wave of domestic terror, as you so accurately put it. It started on the Upper House steps. It started with the hate preachers. No action was taken, and now here we are. David Ossa, thank you so much for your leadership of the Jewish community and for doing your very best to keep everyone safe at this time.
Always good to be with you, Cherry, Thank you so much.
Well.
While the Prime Minister started his day joking around on Kyl and Jackie Oh. Peter Dutton used the strongest language possible. He said that had this caravan of explosives, had that attack gone ahead, Dutton said, this would have been the biggest terror attack in Australia that we'd ever seen.
Had this terrorist attack taken place, if the reports are correct around the forty meters blast zone, this would have been the most significant terrorist attack and loss of life in our country's history.
Premier Chris Mins also showed very strong leadership and he said this could have been a mass casualty event.
Police have to take it seriously as if it was an attempt at a mass casualty event, an event of domestic terrorism in New South Wales.
We all sat here last night in shock at the fact that many explosives had been found, and then today we woke up to the news more graffiti, this time outside a Jewish school and Marubra Synagogue. This was the first day back at school for preschoolers and it's horrifying to find that graffiti on the wall right beside the school entrance gate. It's an understatement to say the Jewish community is living with fear anxiety and distress at the moment.
I mean, what is wrong with these people that they.
Firebombed a pre school and now have he faced a school the wall next to a school with anti Semitic graffiti. Why are they targeting children and places that children go. The Premier spoke about this today and he said parents shouldn't have to face this.
It is utterly appalling and shameful that an individual would spray racist, hate filled messages on a school. That tells you everything you need to know about how appalling these bastards are that they would rip apart a school on one of the first days of school with a racist, anti Semitic attack.
This all feels extremely intense. That antisemitism feels like it's now beyond the control of authorities, the police. The pole Air was on patrol all through the night last night. If you're in Sydney and if you're a light sleeper, you might have heard it doing surveillance over the suburbs at all hours of the night. Yet some of these
attacks are still occurring. The authorities are on high alert and it's probably about time the terror threat level should once again be raised now we desperately need I've been saying this fifteen months. We desperately need strong leadership. We need to know the government cares about all Australians, including the Jewish community, not just the voters they need in marginal seats in Western Sydney. Now I'm going to come back to this topic with Rabbi leave Wolf a bit
later in the show, but still to come. The CIA accused of breaking the law by sitting on their COVID origins assessment, and the dangers of Elon Musk's friendship with Donald Trump. Michael Schellenberger would join me after the break.
Welcome back.
We're breaking news now, nineteen year old hostage again Berger has been handed over from Hamas to the Red Cross. She's back on Israeli soil and she has been reunited with her parents. We are now waiting for the release of twenty nine year old r Bel Yohood, an eighty year old guardy Moses there slated for release today as well.
Now Agem's release is after four hundred.
And eighty two days in terrorist captivity, and this is of course wonderful news for the families of these hostages. Okay, Rabbi Levi Wolf is coming up on the wave of anti Semitic terror shortly, but first, Elon Musk's bromance with Donald Trump is causing concern inside the MAGA movement. I spoke about this, along with the CIA's assessment that COVID was the result of a likely lablique with Michael Schellenberger.
He's a world famous journalist and author and one of the best newsbreakers internationally.
Here's our chat.
Michael's so good to see you again on the COVID origins issue.
You've done brilliant reporting.
You famously revealed the names of the three scientists who first fell ill at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in what is believed to be the first cluster of the pandemic. Now, the CIA was obligated under law, a law passed during the Biden administration, to declassify their intelligence. They failed to do so, they broke the law. What's your view on this matter?
Well, first of all'll Sherry, congratulations to you because you were ahead of most other, almost every other reporter in the world on this and you haven't gotten credited sufficiently. So first of all, hats off to you. You did an amazing job and you have been proven correct in all of your original reporting. So brava to you. We're late comers to this. I've only been working out for a couple of years, but we're really staying on your
shoulders on this issue. But yeah, you know, look, I mean it is now the CIA, FBI, Department of Energy are all in consensus.
It's a lablique.
Yes, they say low confidence, but that's just simply because so much of the evidence was destroyed. I think most of us are now ninety ninety five percent of the view that it's a lab league. But you're absolutely right. The CIA, with its new director appointed by Trump, has tacitly admitted that the CIA under Biden broke the law because they were, as you said, required to release all the intelligence by June of twenty twenty three. They did not do that. They were out of compliance back then,
and then they've been sitting on this report. We don't know for how long, but they said explicitly that they had been sitting on this new analysis of the intelligence for many months. So they're in violation of the law. And you kind of go, well, who's going to be punished for it? Of course nobody, But I do think it has been really important First of all, we do need to restore trust in our intelligence and security agencies.
It's worth just reminding all of us that those agencies depend on the public's belief in them and belief that they're not corrupt, because their investigations require people to come forward as witnesses with information and whistleblow. So we do need to restore trust. It is absolutely missing for all of our intelligence and security agency. So this is the first step. There are so many other scandals, Russia Gate, hoaks, Hunter Biden laptop, the JFK files, the UFO files, the Jeffrey Epstein.
I mean, it's just so much I think there is.
This should really try and I think it is transcending left and right. It's transcending partisanship. It used to be a left wing issue disclosure. Now the conservatives tend to be more in favor of it. But I do think this is a wonderful sign by Trump and as new CIA director. They have made a good first step in the disclosure that's needed to repair public trust.
But there's still a.
Lot of information that we're waiting for, and our expectations are very high.
We've seen this very close friendship between the President and Elon Musk. There's a bit of a backlash within parts of the MAGA movement to Elon Musk.
How do you see this playing out?
Well, look, it's also fascinating story, right. I mean, I think that in many ways, the power center in the United States just six months ago was our mainstream news media. They forced then President Biden to decide not to run again. I mean that was the media basically told Pelosi and Obama, go get Obama, go get Biden to step down. I
think the power center has shifted. It's now if you were to identify the two most powerful men in the United States, it's clearly Donald Trump and Elon Musk arguably the two most powerful men in the world right now. And you know, and obviously Elon has maybe not obviously people should know he's hired a lot of what are called H one B visa immigrants in the United States. Traditionally these are Indian software coders computer coders that come
to the United States. There's always a question of whether Elon would allow a full debate on X and you know, there's always like accusation senship. To his credit, there was
a robust debate, including people really roasting Elon. You know people I should say maga Trump supporters roasting Elon or his position on H one B. That debate existed, and essentially Elon and David Sachs, who's another close supporter of Trump, particularly an advisor on cryptocurrency, they basically, I don't want to say caved in, but they moved themselves closer to the to the people that wanted restrictions. So I think it's very healthy that you have the owner of this
major media platform. You saw him be moved by people, and you know, the spirit of the country right now, the moral center is really that we've got to get back control of our borders. We've got to get migrants that are committing crimes and awful crimes.
We've got to get them out of the country.
People said, oh, we can't do that.
There's some reason for it.
Trump is showing that you can do it and that the skies don't fall, and I think that, yeah. I mean, look, everybody's gonna be watching the Trump Musk relationship. My view is that it will hold steady because they just have so much more to gain working from each other than they do to be at loggerheads and You'll just have to see a set of compromises over the next several years.
You're also seeing a playout right now in AI where Elon doesn't Yeah, Elon doesn't like this character, Sam Altman, who is one of the great AI pioneers in the United States. They have a personal beef. It's probably also business related. But Trump went ahead and moved ahead with a deal with Sam Altman and promoted it. Elon complained
about it. So look, I think it's it's all to the benefit, it's all to the health of our country to have that free speech taking place on what remains the most important media platform in the world, which is X.
Yeah.
I thought you were referring to China's version of Chat GPT, which has caused massive waves in the tech in business world today.
But yes, Michael.
Shellenberg, I don't know what that is. We don't know what that is. I should say, I don't think we know what that is. I don't believe the hype on it. I mean they said we made it with a couple bucks in a garage, or some people.
Say, we just don't know.
I mean, maybe it is a spot Nick moment and it's going to require the United states to catch up. This is a fast moving situation. It is a dangerous technology. It's a technology with huge amounts of promise. I look to as a nuclear your person, as a historian of nuclear, I sort of think nuclear is a good model. You have the private sector involved, you have the government heavily involved because it is a dangerous technology, and when that we work with our allies.
On Michael, thank you so much, as always for your time.
It was great to be with you. Thanks for having me on.
All Right, after the break, we'll return to the breaking news tonight and the wave of domestic terror. I'll speak with one rabbi from a major synagogue about how to cope with these attacks.
He'll be on Live next. Welcome back.
Well, we've seen attacks on the Adas Synagogue in Melbourne, the Marubra Synagogue was graffitied along with the Newtown and Sydney South Sydney synagogues recently, and now the shocking news that a caravan packed with explosives had the address of the Great Synagogue inside it. Well, you'd be feeling very vulnerable right now if you worked in a synagogue like my next guest does. Joining me now is Chief Rabbi the Central Synagogue, Rabbi Lavy Wolf, Rabbi.
Thank you so much for joining us now.
As I've just outlined, you know, this is a very difficult time. How are you personally coping at the moment with the synagogues clearly being targeted.
I'll answer that question by posing a question to your viewers and ask them how would they feel if they'd be hunted down. Let me put a bit of context into what I'm saying. I am a grandchild of a single holocaus survivor, as is my wife Hani, a grandchild of Holocaust survivors. Australia, as you know, per capita outside of Israel, has more Holocaust survivors than any country in the world. My synagogue, the Central Synagogue, has the largest
congregation of Halocaust survivors in this country. And just two days ago we marked the eightieth and of her of the Liberation of Auschwitz and Bergunal and we as a community me we are feeling very vulnerable. We are feeling very targeted, and quite frankly, we are feeling hunted down. And I found it actually quite telling. I don't blame him for using this language, but yesterday, when the Deputy
Commissioner spoke about what had happened with the caravan. He used the language and he says, this was not the normal antisemitism. I mean there is now the normal antisemitism, and then there's the abnormals antisemitism. So I mean, is this all normal? There's you know, we have to come to expect the normal antisemitism.
Look, it's such a good point, and you know this shouldn't be normalized. And how has it come to be normalized? You know, you always speak in synagogue and you give such comfort to everybody in the community.
Jewish or not Jewish.
So to hear you say, look, we are being hunted down, this is very confronting.
Rabbi.
You know many Jews would now be feeling anxious, deciding whether or not to go to synagogue as per usual on Friday night or Saturday.
What's your message to.
People who are now genuinely and understandably terrified, Sherry, I.
Want to tell you, as a Jew, I think that there's one word I would never be using, and that is the word fearful. I don't think the Jewish community should be fearful. I think that we have a tremendous miracle where God has been protecting us and looking after us. And I say that very seriously. I mean, there is no other way to try and explain how we are after thirty three centuries being persecuted, pogroms, expulsions, holocausts, inquisitions,
and we're still here. We are still here after so much darkness, so much hate, so much suffering, and somehow we are still here. I think it was the Prime Minister of Israel, the first Prime Minister, David Ben Gurion one said that to be a Jew is to appreciate that believing in miracles is a realist. There's no other way to explain how we're here today. So fear is definitely not something that we have to be concerned about.
But I would have one message to those who are attempting to put fear into us, to those who are spreading hate, to those who are so vile with everything that they're doing, I would say that they are the ones who are responsible for actually excuse upon rejuvenating the Jewish community more than anybody has been able to do.
They have brought us together. They have created people who are all of a sudden back to their traditions, back to their roots standing taller, being prouder, and they've also managed to have Jews who have always been traditionally on the left leave the left.
And now they're watching sky and they're watching you and me right now. Indeed, that's one good thing to come out of it.
A side.
The Premier, Chris men said today, and he says it all the time that most Australians, the vast majority of Australians, absolutely hate what's going on.
Here's what he had to say.
There are some terrible people in our community. I'm ashamed to say it, but that's the truth. Bad morals, bad ethics, bad people that will commit these acts. But Australians stand united against this appalling racism. Most Australians from every background regard this kind of hate field activity as the opposite of what it means to live in our country.
Yeah, and Rabbi, that's the feedback that I have as well. What's your message to the wider Australian community.
Well, firstly, I want to actually do a shout out to Chrismans. I think he has been a strong leader with Greek conviction. He's hitting it out of the park. He's getting up there at every single press conference and really giving it his best and hopefully he gets a lot of scores on the board arresting these people and finally putting them behind bars. What I would say to the Australian community is exactly what he said. I believe
that the average Australian is sick and tired. They've had enough during the summer holidays, while they've been trying to relax with their families, have been bombarded by photos, by images of Nazi graffiti, of preschools being firebombed, and they've had enough. But you know that can't just be enough. I would say to the silent majority, it's time to no longer be silent. We now need to turn the
tide and anti Semitism. And it's one thing for leaders in government, and it's one thing for people in authorities like police forces, et cetera. Right now, what we need more than anything is for the average Aussie, for the
average Australian citizen to call it out. It is on cool to be anti Semitic, and it's on Australian And unless the average Australian is going to stand out, if it's at a at a at a tea party, or if it's at an evening at home or sitting with friends and having coffee and just you know, remember there was an advert once for those who were littering in the streets and they had this like girl looking at her boyfriend and.
Say, big government advertising campaign. That's true.
It's cool to be to be on Australian it's uncool to be anti Semitic. And the average and the quiet and the silent majority needs to now no longer be silent. That's where we're holding.
Rabbi.
I really appreciate your time and as always your incredible leadership of the community, especially at this incredibly difficult time.
Thank you Sharry, and to you who have been on the forefront of really bringing this to the wider society. You've been a rock star. And thank you for everything that you've done for fighting anti semitism. Thank you so much, God bless you.
Thank you. Now, don't go anywhere.
The breakthrough treatment that could mean the difference between life and death for women fighting breast cancer.
That's after this quick break welcome back.
When a new treatment is offering hope to women fighting metastatic triple negative breast cancer, one of the most aggressive and deadly forms.
Of the disease with no known cure.
Now, in a world first clinical trial in Queensland, the combination therapy could provide a crucial lifeline to patients. This is a really important story.
Have a look.
When Terry Parks was diagnosed with an aggressive form of breast cancer. She feared the worst, but after chemotherapy, double misectomy, radiation and ten years of medication, she's still here.
I heard the words advanced aggressive stage three in your lymph traveling around your body, and yet here I am fifteen years later, when I know that the survival rate was quite low for my IBC and I've broken the mold.
Beating the odds is exactly what researchers from QIMR berghoffer hope their treatment will do for metastatic triple negative breast cancer. In collaboration with drug development company Carsio Therapeutics, scientists have combined a drug called paccillasib, initially designed to treat brain cancer, with immunotherapy.
Metastatic triple negative breast cancer. There is no cure, and at the moment immunotherapy only works on a subset of patients. What this is able to do is open up the ability of many more patients to have access to immunotherapy.
What was unique about it was the potential hypothesis that this dual inhibition could dramatically improve the efficacy of other assets, in particular immunotherapies, but also apart inhibitors. Potential even outside of breast cancer is enormous.
It works by reprogramming dormant cancer cells, making them visible to the immune system, while strengthening immune cells to attack the disease.
What we've been able to show for the first time is that using this drug pack celisip, we're able to awaken these cancer cells to make them immune visible, and by begging them immune visible, we're able to for the first time allow immunotherapy to function.
This form of cancer predominantly affects women aged under forty and spreads rapidly to other parts of the body.
Unfortunately, many of these patients only have a few months to live at the most.
The treatment has advanced a clinical trial recruiting twenty four women with metastatic triple negative breast cancer. They'll receive the combination therapy at sites in Queensland.
What we are all about is trying to identify diagnostics and therapeutics to be able to increase the survival of these patients so they can spend more time with their families.
A crucial step forward in the fight against one of the deadliest cancers. Lauren Forbes, Sky News.
All right, have a safe weekend, stay strong. I'll see you Monday at eight. And here's Paul Murray.