Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
Good Evening tonight to the Albanezy government blames the weather and Donald Trump for their budget position. Ray Hadley will get stuck in live on the show Peter Duvlan's Trump like push to deport dual citizen criminals.
The left are up in arms.
The Victorian crime wave is so bad that Steve Price was caught up in the aftermath of a robbery.
He'll tell us about it shortly. Plus Liberal leader in.
New South Wales Mark Speakman caught out negotiating with the anti Israel Greens after claiming he'd done no such thing. My fire interview with the Greens where they insist on Palestinian protesters having the right to harass Jews outside synagogues. They should be able to harass Jews outside synagogues.
I absolutely stand with them.
That interview coming up. Plus the White House bags Israel strikes on her muss. That's all on the show tonight. But first, economists have warned loudly that Labor needed to keep its pre election spending in check because the inflation battle wasn't over. Economists said it was premature for the RBA to cut rates when inflation wasn't back in target range yet both the Albanezy government and the RBA effectively declared mission accomplished when they celebrated a rate cut last month.
We warned at the time and all the economists on the show said that this was reckless when inflation was still a problem, the cost of living crisis still hurting families. Well exactly a month later, those warnings have come to pass. Today, the OECD said it expects inflation to be slightly higher in Australia and globally.
It also has.
Downgrade did GDP growth projections for this year and next, and the Secretary General matiirs Cormon said that inflation will remain higher for longer. Of course, he pointed to global uncertainty and Trump's tariffs in part, but he also warned that fiscal and monetary policy should remain, in his words, prudent. Part of his message is that governments should be cautious with spending.
You know, in the end, you know, it's all about of what is fiscally affordable and physically sustainable as well. And part of our advice to countries around the world, including in Europe, is to keep an eye on debt sustainability on the need to rebuild fiscal buffers and fiscal resilience.
Now, economists have repeatedly warned that if Labour's records spending continued, inflation would rise again. This is the last thing we all need. And yet this says precisely what's at risk of happening. Government spending is at record levels, with a thirty percent rise on long run average. Yet the Albanezy government, of course, doesn't accept any responsibility for rising inflation and slowing growth. They blame Donald Trump, China, the Russia Ukraine War, even the Middle East.
And Treasurer Jim.
Chalmers reinforced that narrative today in a major speech.
The global economy is volatile and it's unpredictable. There's a new US administration disrupting trade, there's a slowdown in China, there's war in Eastern Europe and a very fragile ceasefire in the Middle East. Division and dissatisfaction around the world.
And of course just hours later that ceasefire in the Middle East is no longer. And he also spoke about the weather and the impact of ex tropical Cyclone Alfred.
But it's really.
Donald Trump who is becoming the villain for the Albanezy government. He'll be single handedly blamed for poor economic conditions here in Australia.
It's clear now that the rules that underpinned global economic engagement for more than forty years are being rewritten. The whole world has changed. We've seen that change accelerate since Inauguration Day in the US.
But The Australian's Political editor Simon Benson writes today that the Albanezy government has never accepted responsibility for rising inflation or slow growth. It's always been global factors overseas.
Was never their own economic management.
Benson writes it has been a similar story of all Labour's budgets since it came to office in twenty twenty two, without Trump, and none of it has been the government's fault.
The rest of the planets to blame. He says.
The narrative was much the same in twenty twenty four, but without the Trump factor. This time, however, the new boogeyman is Trump, and he claims the US President's influence on the global economy is seismic. But Benson says Trump will be a convenient cover for what he calls a sea of red ink that will underline the budget position over the next decade. Now, the problem with this argument is that the impact of Trump's steel and aluminium tariffs
to our economy is minuscule. The Australian reports that Treasury Estimates estimates the direct hit to GDP from steel and aluminium tariffs would be less than noer point not two percent by twenty thirty. But it's clear categorically now that the time of federal surpluses is over, and this is why Albanezi was so reluctant to hold a federal budget, because he loved to be able to point to the surpluses as proof that he was a stable economic manager.
We also have been determined to return the budget to surplus, replacing those liberal deficits with labor surpluses. All of these measures aimed at alleviating cost of living pressures, whilst at the same time delivering two budget surpluses.
For the first time.
In two decades, we contributed additional funding in our budgets while delivering two budget surpluses. Again, easy to remember the number of budget surpluses under the former government.
But now that he can't deliver a surplus, he's going to blame Donald Trump. Trump, who won't take his phone cause, who won't invite him to the White House, who won't meet with his ambassador, and who won't roll out the red carpet for a left leaning pro Palestinian, weak and uncharismatic Prime Minister Well Albert Easy can blame Trump all he likes. The revised inflation forecasts make it clear now that the quarter of a present rate cut was premature and the IBA board also has.
A lot to answer for now.
Throughout this anti Semitism crisis, right around the country we
have begged for tough leadership and for strong action. Well tonight I can reveal that New South Wales Liberal leader, a liberal leader, Mark Speakman, worked with the anti Israel Greens, to set up a parliamentary inquiry to examine the laws that ban Palestinian protests outside of synagogues, and that tough and hate speech Speakman sided with the Greens and the pro Palestinian movement to demand an inquiry into when Premier Chris Mins knew that the caravan didn't pose a live
terror threat. Now this inquiry has been used by the Greens as a backdoor to repeal the hate speech laws, the laws that Mark Speakman claims to support but if he truly supported them, he wouldn't be calling for an inquiry into the way in which they were introduced. This is truly utterly extraordinary from Speakman and the New South
Wales Coalition. Now Mark Speakman this afternoon on two GB Radio denied that anyone in the coalition, as far as he was aware, had negotiated with the Greens on this inquiry.
Have a listen so with the inquiry the way this works, and there were a lot of parliamentary inquiries and lots of issues for our listeners that may not follow this process closely. But how did the terms of reference, what the inquiry looks at, how is that developed? Do you sit down with Sue Higginson, for instance, he was on my show yesterday from the Greens to develop the plan.
Well, I have had absolutely no communication with Sue Higginson or any Green on this. I don't believe any of my colleagues in the Upper House have either, But do you have to ask them there? But I certainly had no communication with her directly or indirectly.
Well, he might need to clarify that statement because it was wrong. Sue Higginson, she's the Greens MLC. She's on my show tonight. It was a fiery interview. She told me today on the phone and again in this interview that she had negotiated the terms of reference with the coalition and that it went back and forth. I also spoke this afternoon with Liberal MLC Damien Tudorhope and he confirmed that his office had been involved in negotiating the
terms of reference with the Libertarians and the Greens. Now, the terms of reference call for an inquiry into the relationship between the Dural caravan incident and the hate speech laws along with the laws that ban protests outside synagogues. To be very clear about this, this is what the terms of reference state.
Have a look.
They say, any references to the incident in any briefing materials prepared the development, introduction and debate, and it goes through the laws the legislation there. Now, the inquiry will be open to submissions and no doubt one of them will be from the Palestine Action Group who want the laws repealed to be able to protest outside of synagogues.
Have a look.
These laws are unconstitutional, they're undemocratic, they never should have been passed. They were rushed through based on lies and deception by this government. They need to be repealed immediately. Chris Mins should actually resign in disgrace given the role that he's played in lying to the Parliament and the people of New South Wales. There are very few places left in Sydney where anyone could protest if these laws are allowed.
To stand, protest anywhere else, just not outside a place of worship. Now, that was the Palestinian Action Group outside the New Southwes Supreme Court today where they are launching a legal challenge against the laws. That, as I said, band protests outside of synagogues, So they want the right to harass Jews outside of a synagogue, a place of worship, a place where people pray, that has nothing to do with the Middle East. These are Mark Speakman's bedfellows. How
embarrassing for a liberal leader. Now you may recall that late last year it unfolded as we went to air on this show Jews were locked down in the Great Synagogue in the City of Sydney because of a Rabbid mob outside barring their exit. Again, we've seen protests outside synagogues in Melbourne two Again the Greens and these pro
Palestinian protesters are the bedfellows of Mark Speakman. The very idea built into the terms of reference is that these laws were introduced in a rush in response to the notion that.
The caravan was a terror threat. But that's rubbish.
As Alex Rifchen pointed out here last night, Jewish community groups have been campaigning for stronger hate speech laws, particularly since October seven, but even before that.
For a long time we've advocated for stricter laws against incitement of this sort. It's not about speech, it's not about the exchange of ideas. We're talking about words that are intended to incite hatred and violence in our communities.
That's something extremely serious. And after October seven, we of course saw a whole series of clerics again glorifying the Hammas attacks, encouraging the followers to do likewise, speaking specifically of Jews in the most violent hatreul terms imaginable, and there's no real remedy criminally, and.
In fact, the laws are so weak that Jewish groups have had to take their own action against hate preachers because the police were unable to do so, and the ECAJ launched legal action in the Federal Court against one preacher, for example, with some haddad for hate speech, for comments like this.
Towards the end the times, when the Muslims will be fighting the Jews, the trees will speak, the stone will speak, and I will say, oh Muslim, oh believer, there is a yohodi behind me, Come and kill him Manhaula, the Habiyun ha ula yakum, almost Saha yina.
And I couldn't play all of their sermons. There was so much more. Police couldn't take action because it didn't meet the criminal threshold.
A new southeles.
Police have said on the record in public that tougher laws are needed because the current ones are impossible to prosecute either the hate preachers or the aggressive protesters, even if it is anti Semitism or inciting violence.
Whilst I find the things that you're talking about offensive, they need to meet.
Illegals prayers the Jews, f the Jews. That is hate speech, that is racism that can't be interpreted in any other way.
I'm not arguing that it's hate speech, but doesn't meet a criminal threshold for the police to prosecute. That's the question.
So clearly police felt they couldn't take action with the current laws now. The Greens don't support these laws at all. And I spoke, as I said, with Green's MLC Sue Higginson today and she told me that she wants this inquiry because she doesn't support the laws all the way they were introduced. She thinks the entire anti Semitism crisis
has been confected. She supports the Palestinians who want to be able to protest outside synagogues, and she wants other groups like the LGBTQI sector to be included in the hate speech laws, which is absurd. Yet in the Lower House, Speakman, the Liberal leader, is backing the same attack as the Greens on the Men's government.
On what date were you first briefed that the Dural caravan incident could be a fake terrorism plot?
So that Speakman repeating the use of the word fake that I spoke about last night, perpetuating the narrative that this is all a fake crisis, a fake antisemitism threat. Well, Chris Men's answered that police have already said publicly that they ruled out it was a genuine live terror threat on February the twenty first, but they weren't ready to go public until March the tenth because they had counter surveillance operations running. Now Chris Men's caught out this nonsense of a fake narrative.
I want to make it clear, however, that despite it not being terrorism as it's defined, this did instill terror into members of our community. It was designed to stroke fear into large segments of the New South Wales population.
And the threat was real.
Police were alleging court that individuals tried to fire bomb and destroy property owned in the eastern suburbs of Sydney by members of the Jewish community. There was a childcare center adjacent to a synagogue in Marubri that was burned to the ground as part of this alleged plot. There were several other attempts in New South Wales by those that are named by police, charged by police to instill fear and intimidation in the community.
The Premier also made it clear that these laws banning protests outside of places of worship and on hate speech had nothing to do with the caravan.
Setting aside the operations of Kissinger and those who are alleged to be part of this organized crime gang, there is inarguably been a rise of anti Semitic racist attacks in New South Wales over the set and it needed to be met with comprehensive hate speech laws.
Now, Mark Speakman interrupted Chris Mins to again press the premiere on when he learned that the caravan plot wasn't a live terror threat, as if this is relevant when there were fire bombings, and Premier Chris Mins was rightly furious in his response.
I've seen the leader of the opposition slide under a closed door. He has no backbone on these issues or anyone else is to Speaker, we will not repeal these laws. They're too important for New South Wales.
Now, we have.
All watched Anthony Albanezi speak in such a weak fashion about anti Semitism for what seventeen months now, It's quite frankly astonishing to see such magnificent conviction from a labor leader. Chris Mins is showing the entire Labor Party nationally how you can show leadership on these important issues use of national security and public safety. It's Albanezi who wanted to
downplay the antisemitism crisis. It's Tony Burke who seized on the police claim that the spate of attacks were not motivated by antisemitism.
Claims we now know to be wrong. And Mark Speakman is playing right into Albanese's hands here right before a federal election and Speakman claimed that MINS had caused additional stress for the Jewish community.
The Jewish community has faced enough stress, enough pain, enough anguish in recent months without that being added to by the fear that there was a plot of a mess terrorist attack.
This shows how out of touch Speakman is with the Jewish community because the only extra stress and anguish being put on the community is by Speakman himself in siding with the Greens to.
Give a voice to those who oppose the laws that actually protect us Australians.
It's a warped view from a Liberal leader who couldn't be more out of sync with Peter Dutton's position. And let me tell you the Federal Coalition is bewildered at this shocking incompetence of Speakmen. Now, this parliamentary inquiry he supports will give a voice to all of those who insist anti Semitism isn't a problem. It will give a platform to the Greens, the pro Palestinian movement, maybe even
the hate preachers. To quote Shakespeare in the tempest misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows and mark my words, this saga has exposed Speakman's failings as leader. If he pushes ahead in working with the Greens, this will be the start of his leadership demise. All right, Ray Hadley's coming up a bit later, and my fire interview with the Greens MLC or so a bit later in the show.
But now let's bring in our Tuesday panel from a Speaker of the House, Bronman Bishop and Sky News host Steve Price.
Welcome to you both.
Now, step I actually want to start with you and I'm sorry to see you've got a broken arm. There a sprayed it looks like now the crime wave in Victoria, you know we're talking about national security. The crime wave in Victoria is so bad that you were actually just caught up in the aftermath of a rubbery at a bottle shop.
Tell us what happened.
Yeah, this happened on Chapel Street in Melbourne today, bromin Gooday, Sharry and I was amazed at what had occurred. I walked into a liquor Land bottle shop in Chapel Street, which is you know, used to be a premier shopping strip in Melbourne. It's now full of drug add people, homeless people, people wandering around with machetes in the middle
of the night. It's really become crime central. And this liquor Land bottle shop, when I walked in, the young fellow behind the counter and I met mention young deliberately because a lot of young people work in bottle shops, and he said, look, I'm sorry, I'm so upset, but just before you got here, two blokes wandered in, both carrying large bags. They went to the back of the store and unloaded from my freezer four hundred and fifty dollars worth of ready to drink vodka and bourbon cans
and simply walked out of the store. No one attempted to stop them. The young guy behind the counter has been instructed by the bosses of Liquorland not to do it, and they just wandered off down the street. About a month ago, the same thing happened a Woolworths bottle shop just up the road. Young girl, first week on in a job. She was terrified as well. This is happening every day across Melbourne, and I suspect it probably happens in other parts of Australia and it just shows social
the social fabric of the country is breaking down. It's pretty particularly bad in Melbourne, but I think it's bad.
In other places as well.
We've seen Alice Springs and the towns in northern Queensland exactly. I've just never witnessed this in my life, and I'm sure Bromin's never witnessed in.
Her life either.
I mean, when does it happen that someone just walks into a retail store, loads up what they want and calmly walk out. There's no police walking up and down the street. Police There'll be twenty minutes away.
That happens in San Francisco, where theft has been decriminalized, and we've seen how San Francisco has ended up. But that's shocking, and you know, we feel so sorry for that young bloke who had to deal with that. But that message from Liquorland to their staff not to try and do anything, and that they've had to send that message brown because crime in Victoria and in Queensland, but you know in Victoria's is so bad at the moment.
Now this is a really big issue.
This is part of the reason Peter Darton has floated this idea, which some people have attacked as crazy, you know, deporting dual citizen criminals. But this is why he's floated this idea because people are so concerned about the wave of crime in Victoria and in Queensland and in Alice Springs. They're so concerned about public safety.
Well they are, and they're concerned with the judicial activism that is preventing them from being deported. Now, Albanesi and Co. Try and paint that as being pro trump Ism, No, it is supporting the doctrine, the Howard doctrine that said we will determine who comes to this country and the manner in which they come, and that means if they
come the wrong way, they should be sent away. And it is a commitment to was groundbreaking internationally, groundbreaking when Howards set that principle in the wake of the Trump What was the name of the Tampa. Yeah, the Tampa that in fact has duck as part of our doctrine that has adhered to in this country. So for it to be trying to be painted in any other way, but upholding that doctrine and ensuring that we are looking after the safety of our people, that we should be
paying attention to. That's how if it was for the reason of judicial activism. And the question is this government says we have the right to legislate to say they will go if they commit these crimes and have dual citizenship. Judges say no, that's our responsibility and we have the jurisdiction. That's how the Pacific solution arose because they were outside of the judicial jurisdiction. And that is exactly what Peter Duttlan is talking about.
I mean, Steve, I don't know if the Australian public have the appetite for another referendum, but the concept, I can say cut goriically because you know, when we called for suggestions for anti Semitism crisis, we got about, I don't know, nearly a thousand emails, and so many of them were deport the anti Semites. You know, there would be definite public support for criminals who have another citizenship leaving Australia.
Look, I mean, I'll get sick and tired of the government saying this is all about trump Ism. I'm okay, Well, if it's about trump Ism, I'll tell you what. Millions of Australians saw television pitches today of Donald Trump's government rounding up a bunch of dangerous murderers, raping Venezuelans and putting them on aircraft and flying them out of the country.
They're parked in some third country halfway through and they're going to be not back in America, and the American people are saying, thank god, we've got rid of these people. We've never wanted them here in the first place. Australians want the same strong action. Why should we import criminal types into Australia. They come, they get dual citizenship and think that they can just break the law. We have a crime gang problem in Melbourne that is out of control.
Home invasions, carthifts, people like that went into that bottle shop today. Not all of them, but some of them come from migrant families and they have no control over their children. They let them roam the streets in the middle of the night and people are terrified. They hear a noise in the front yard. They think they're going to have someone with a machete in their lounge group. It's got to stop. And the Victorian labor government's been pathetic.
They're going to bring in new bail Law's guests when they're going to be enacted later in the year, why wouldn't it be next week. If you're going to stop the sale of machetes, do it today, don't do it in November.
No, one hundred percent right.
And this is where again this plays into the federal election issue. And it's probably why just very quick response bron when probably why Victoria will be quite a good state for the Coalition at the federal election.
I think that Victorians have suffered so much under such rotten state governments that they've seen that labor is bad for Victorians. And I think there is a change in attitude.
And I do think that there is an awakening, shall we say, having been shut down under COVID, having been penalized left, right and center, with their police force seeming to be okay about arresting during COVID but not being able to control real crime, and allowing for drug injection rooms to be near schools, the whole box and guys, I think there is an awakening in Victoria that labor is not good for them.
Awake for now, Awoke the woke an hour, awake, Steve Price Brow and Bishop apologies that it's a bit shot at tonight but great to have you on as always. Now, most commentators are predicting a minority Labor government at the federal election, but The Australian's chief political correspondent Jeff Chambers rites that as it stands, Dutton remains better placed than
alban Easy to form a minority government. The Dutton pathway to victory is predicated on securing big swings in Labor and independent seats while fending off challenges in coalition territory, and Jeff Chambers joins me, now, Jeff, great to see you again. Look take us through Peter Dutton's path to victory here which seats will get in there?
Hi, Sharry, so I just I wrote that piece a week ago, and as you know, a week is a long time in politics, and we've seen through both Newspoll and Freshwater that we are seeing that natural tightening around the poles, and there's multiple factors around that. So I think that the margin of error for Peter Dutton is very tight, but there certainly is a narrow path to victory. But in saying that a lot of things have to
go right. I heard you talking earlier about Victoria. A big focus down in Victoria for the Liberal Party very optimistic that they can pick some seats up there like Aston Chisholm mckewen and potentially other seats there. But I think that the big state of New South Wales is
where this election is one or lost. We've obviously got seats in Wa, Tasmania, Northern Territory, South Australia, handful in Queensland that'll be really important mathematically, but the big battle is in New South Wales and I think you know, Peter Dunton is fighting multiple fronts here, is fighting Labor, the Unions, Teals, the Greens, and in his own seat they're coming after him. He holds that tough seat of Dixon by a margin of one point seven percent, so
there's a long way to go. Look on that talk about referendums putting aside the merit of that subject probably not something that in this part of the cycle you want to be talking about. But you know, I think heading into the budget week next week told that the work is done around policy and that they're ready to go, and I think that activity is going to pick up and a lot of his colleagues will be happy to start really having that contest of ideas.
Just very quickly before you go.
The Treasurer today blamed Trump, the cyclone, other overseas factors for you know how it's starting to impact here in terms of our growth forecasts, in terms of inflation, in terms of the.
Budget bottom line.
Do you think this sort of messaging will convince voters who are still hurting with the cost of living crisis.
Look, I think with his fourth budget, which is the first time a Treasurer has handed down four budgets in a term since Ben Shiffley, Jim Charms will be hoping that he can use the budget as a platform and like, let's be real, this is updating forecasts, including some additional spends around cost of living. Probably not your typical fully fledged budget because it's a budget that many of them
didn't think that they would hand down. In terms of talking about the doerm and gloom around the world, I don't think that it's necessarily untrue, but in terms of the actual impacts here and domestic homegrown inflation, these are challenges that can be met through your own actions. Here in Australia, economic growth is very, very flat, very paltry, So it wasn't surprising to see the OECD revised down
Australia's economic growth forecast look choppy waters ahead. But I think that Jim Chalmers will be certainly hoping that he can use this as a launching pad to help Labor get over the line at the election.
All right, Jeff Chambers, thank you so much for your time and your insights, and we'll read your work in The Australian as always. All Right, Still to come that explosive interview with the Greens where they effectively reveal Mark Speakman's comments as untrue.
Plus the radio legend.
Ray Hadley will weigh in on Alban Easy Speakman, the Greens Chris Bowen, he won't hold back. That's after this quick break. Welcome back. As I mentioned last week, every week until the federal election is held, Ray Hadley will join me here to talk about politics and I'm pleased to say he's here in studio now.
Ray, great to see you again.
It's lovely to be invited back.
Thank you very much, honor to have you so. Ray. You heard what I had to say about Mark Speakman earlier. What do you think about this bloke?
I don't think you were tough enough on him. Look, he is a complete nutter. Waste of space.
When I was still on radio, I made the comment that he was the worst attorney general and that's a Melbourne cup field. He beat Bob Deavers and Greg Smith
one Labor one liberal. He was a terrible Attorney general and I think it was just a matter of last man standing with all the drama that happened through the course of Mike Baird He's dumb greyhound decision, followed by glad Us filling in love with the wrong person, not telling anyone about it, and then poor old Don Perrete filling in and then there was no one left basically when they got a knocked over by Chris Mins. And about Men's I agree with you about leadership. I think
that he's a politician. It doesn't matter with your Labor liberal or anywhere in between. He's a politician with conviction, yes, and we've been sadly lacking that conviction for a long long time. Certainly Mark Speakman has no conviction. It's a funny old world. I think that Mens would be better suited to be a liberal, right wing premier, and Speakman should be leading the Greens or the far left of the Labor Party. The problem is I don't think the
next Liberal premier is in Parliament. I think Labor will win the next two terms. Men's mightn't be in charge. It's portrayed that Mens is.
A Kelly Sloan. Not next time, but maybe the time after.
Yeah, they won't get rid of Men's in one term. He'll be there for two terms, possibly three because a good premier. But the thing about Mens is and I like him as a man and as a premier, but his portrayed as a one man ban. He's got a very very good cabinet prew Carry's deputy brilliant, Ryan park Health, brilliant, Anelouk Chantelvong, brilliant, John Graham brigant. Put John to one side, but the rest could be premier in the future if
he decides to step down and he tied. You go through the line, you go through the Liberal Party apart from Kelly. You told me one person who could be premier.
Yeah, well, I think Chris Man's is so good. We need him in Canberra. We need him to take over from Albow instead of Chris Bowen. I mean, you know you're talking about how good the new Southel's Labor cabinet is.
How bad is the federal labor Cabinet.
Chris Bowen, Tony Burke, Jason Clare, Albert Easy. You couldn't get a worse federal and they're all on TikTok doing this silly video.
I mean retirement of the blood pressure has gone down since December thirteen.
And sorry that Bowen.
And I did get Peter Dutton on my last day to call him Casnova Bowen for the first of time.
But the thing that I would say to you and to everyone wants.
They were it a nickname for a lady.
No, I wouldn't do it in front of you, thank you.
But there are plenty of blokes in pubs and clubs across Australia.
You know why I call him gasnava bum. But anyway, the.
Point being, if you reinstate, Anthony Alberanezi, it's a package deal.
You get all the rest exactly. You know, you get, you get Burg.
You might end up with Tony Burke, a's Prime minister, even because he's got leadership ambitions.
I went up the Kopa Cabana on the weekend. By the way, Cheesey's a long way from the water up there, Elbow.
I don't think he bought.
Real Well, it's on the on the cliff. He's got to walk down the cliff.
If you not up from a surf club.
It's way way up. It's not sort of a walk where you could walk down to the beach, but you need to be a marathon runner. And gave back up the hill to get back to the hand.
I guess it's good exercise exactly now.
I want to ask you. I spoke to just Center Price on the program last night.
She's, you know, wants to have this government efficiency kind of like a doze roll that Elon Musk is playing in the United States, and we spoke about some of the waste of federal guy money, you know, hundreds of thousand million dollars for decolonizing breastfeeding.
Which is the most natural thing in the world.
Anyone that's opposed to breastfeeding is a complete mark. I mean it is. It's a natural thing for a mother to do. Not all women can do it. You know, there are varying reasons. But those who wish to breastfeed, why we're going to decolonize them. I mean, look, just a side note, I was just doing a bit of
thinking this after anyone I knew was coming on. And I think about the Voice referendum, and I think about the waste of money that you've mentioned there the NI double A. They wanted to have another body, which they didn't get the books. The NI double A has thirteen hundred employees. Of the thirteen hundred employees, eight hundred are in Canberra. Eight hundred. Now, that's not a waste of money.
They should be in regional areas. And that's one of the things you said that would look at if elected to be the minister, she'd put those people in the right area. They're not going to solve any problems in Camber. They're not too many Indigenous problems in Canberra, apart from the odd protest.
The problems are in.
Rural areas about just enterprise.
Oh, she is a fantastic woman, a fantastic.
What about this story today with Chris Bowen that the AFP is going to fail to satisfy the green energy targets.
It took to the last election.
In fact, they've even deleted some of the modeling from the website.
Well, I'm happy that he's been taking out of witness protection because I was concerned that he was hold up somewhere we'd never see him again. So he's back out. But it's the whole thing. He has stuffed up immigration, every portfolio he's got attached to he's stuffed up. And now he's stuffing up energy. And as I said to you last week, this nonsense, this pie in the sky stuff about wind farms off the coast of New South
Wales at Port Stevens and Woollongong. Not even the people who were mildly interested from Europe intendering for it, they're no longer interested.
So all of a sudden we're not talking about it anymore.
And Peter doesn't put himself out there at Ports Stevens and Wollongong said no, you elect me, it's not going to happen. It is simply not going to happen. So look, he might get promoted if they get re elected. And I heard your comments earlier about exactly where they are. I think it's seventy seven fifty three. But the key to all that is there are six of the minor parties Catter and the like, but there's thirteen independent Charry, yeah,
thirteen independent. I mean it's going to be very hard for Peter Dutton to win out right.
And if there is to be.
You know, a rob oakshot Tony Winter type spill, you can imagine how they'll be sited.
They won't be Peter ut And I think the Tills need to come out and tell their electrics who they would be siding. We're going to hung Parliament because it's looking.
That quote ray. So to raise your blood pressure, glad you're back.
Well, I've got a week to recover so that I look.
Forward to seeing you next Tuesday.
Thank you, thank you.
All Right after the break, the Greens claim the antisemitism crisis is all confected.
My interview coming up. Welcome back, well.
To showcase just how ridiculous it is that a liberal opposition leader, Mike Speakman is working with the Greens to on an inquiry into these hate speech laws. Iviewed Greens MLC Sir Higginson. A little earlier, the New South Wales Coalition has said that it won't support repealing the hate speech laws. So did you work with the New Southwales Coalition directly to agree in terms of reference that was acceptable to both the Greens and the coalition.
Yeah, look, in no uncertain terms.
This is an inquiry to look at how these laws came about the processes that led up to the rushing of these laws through the Parliament.
I mean, you've got to recall.
We were forced to sit in the Upper House till four am the government lifted standing orders.
We'll get to all of that in a moment, but I just want to get to the question on whether you worked with the coalition on the terms of reference.
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, that's what we do.
If we are going into the Parliament with the terms of reference for a select committee, then it's important.
That there is agreement on the terms of reference.
And at the moment it appears that we have got an agreement to look into do.
I say, can you say who in the New South I was coalition you dealt with?
Was it Mark Speakman's office?
Look, I don't I don't do the business of the coalition. There are you know, staffers who undertake those discussions with my office and we you know, look, parliamentary sitting days are busy days there. We are juggling several things at any one time.
So it was a I understand start either for maybe Damien tudor Hope's offers who met with your staff member and negotiated the terms of reference?
Is that right?
Look, the reality of how we come to these is Yes, discussions happen, Documents get sent around, words get changed on those documents.
I have no.
Idea who in the coalition works and what the machinery of the coalition kind of functions like and how it works.
So I just can't know who in the coalition has.
Done this work to put forward the terms of reference that I have been working on. As far as I'm concerned, it's the coalition.
Do you think the antisemitism crisis has been overstated?
Well, what we know is that the case that was put to us by the government was a false premise. We know that the case involving Operation Perl, including the event at Dural, including other events that were put before us as the reason for the urgency for these laws and for these particular laws. We know that case was put to us on false pretenses. And that's a really important issue when you are when.
You are we know now, we know now that anti Semitism was a motivating factor behind these incidents, and of course they were anti Semitic incidents.
They targeted a.
Synagogue, a preschool adjacent to a synagogue, was firebombed, there were cars vandalized, swastikas sprawled on cars on Jewish property.
So do you admit that this was anti semitism?
With respect, Shari, My job is to look at the evidence and what we know is Deputy Commissioner David Hudson Police Deputy Commissioner, one of the most expert police officers in this state when it comes to counter terrorism and these kind of offenses. He gave evidence in the Parliamentary Budget Estimate session that these events were as part of a criminal enterprise that was not motivated.
Well, he actually said in the budget estimates, and we've played the clips on the program, he actually said in the budget estimates that he wasn't aware of the motivating factor because it was the Australian Federal Police that handled the informant. But even looking at the attacks, a fire bombing of a preschool adjacent to a synagogue, as an attempt on Newtown's synagogue, how can you say those aren't anti Semitic incidents?
These events were no doubt offensive, They were brutally awful, they were deeply.
They were anti submitted. They weren't anti Semitic.
They were opportunistic, criminal activities in order to obtain a benefit.
So were you saying an arson attempt on a city is not anti semitism? Are you saying an arson attempt on a synagogue is not anti Semitism?
I am saying what the police have told us.
What I am saying is crime can be and does have complex factors involved in Why.
So the Men's governments, the Men's government's laws targeting hate speech were unrelated to these incidents that you're talking about.
Now.
This is toughening laws so that police can take action against hate preachers who've been demonizing the Jewish people, so they can take action against hateful remarks made by pro Palestinian protesters.
Do you admit those laws are needed?
What I'm going to say again is that the experts, including the Law Reform Commission, including all those civil society legal bodies in learning, many of the peak faith organizations, these.
Are not the laws they wanted and not the laws they asked for.
But I'm asking about you. You've used, You've claimed that attacks on the Jewish community property aren't our disemitism.
They are unrelated.
They are unrelated to the laws that the Men's government introduced hate speech laws Another set of laws was ban on protests outside synagogues and places of worship.
Do you agree with.
The pro Palestinian activists who want to be able to attack Jews outside synagogues?
Charie?
What I want is really good sound laws on our law books made for proper purposes, not political opportunity. And what I want is a society that has a system in this state, that has the best system of addressing And.
I just want to specifically ask you about this law. I want to ask you about this law. We're not answering the question.
This law or the Palestinian Action Group claims they should be able to protest outside of synagogues.
Do you agree with them?
I believe and I absolutely stand side to side with the Palestinian Action Group right now in their constant.
They should be able to harass Jews outside synagogues.
I absolutely stand with them because I think the.
War should they be able to harass Jews outside of a place of worship that has nothing to do with the Middle East and is only about Judaism.
Chari, this is about all places of worship. The laws the means government introduced.
We're not seeing protests outside of any other places of worship. We're seeing pro Palestinian activists outside synagogues. We saw Jews going to lockdown at the Great Synagogue because there were a rabid group of pro Palestinians outside. Why should they be able to terrorize Jews outside.
Of You're going off topic.
That is basically no, you are this is the reason for these laws. This is no reason for these.
Laws, Okay, Schari. Seriously, there are good reasons.
Why people should be able to, from time to time protest near places of worship.
We have seen this when it comes to the Catholic.
Church and when it came to systemic abuse on victims by the Catholic Church.
Those protests that took.
Place over years and years were really fundamental in delivering justice in New South Wales to the victims of institutional abuse perpetrated by the Catholic Church.
All Right, the protests can happen elsewhere, not outside of a place of worship.
But we're running out of time, So I just want to ask you for is it the case? Is it the case the.
New one't other groups like LGBTQI to be included in these hate speech laws to band speech that's offensive to them?
What I said shari is.
I would like this state, and I believe this state deserves a system that actually addresses all forms of racism, hatred and discrimination.
I think we deserve that. We are literally on the premise of.
The Law Reform Commission delivering its report on how best to have this system in New South Wales.
Memes has just made a mess, that's what he has done.
He's come in to the Parliament, his rush laws on false pretenses, made a mess of the law books, and we want to just inquire into how the heck this happened here in New South Wales.
We're out of time, so he can appreciate your time. Thank you so much. Now, I wouldn't normally have the Greens on the show. I only did that to show how ludicrous it is that Mark Speakman is working with them on this inquiry. All right, after the break, my final thought on the latest Israel strikes.
That's in a minute, all right.
The two months cease fire between Israel and Hamas has ended, and Israel's defense for US have conducted extensive strikes in on Harmas targets in the Gaza Strip. Now, Benjaminette Yaho has made clear that Hamas has refused all hostage deal offers, and there are still hostages who are living in the Gaza Strip and they're being held captive. The White House unequivocally backed in Israel.
Today. Here was Carolyn Levitt.
The Trump administration and the White House were consulted by the Israelis on their attacks in Gaza tonight. And as President Trump has made it clear hamas the houthis Ran, all those who seek to terrorize not just Israel but also the United States of America will see a price to pay.
All hell will break loose. On that note, here's Paul Mara