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Well.
The New South Wales state government today confirmed an inquiry will be held into greyhound racing. Leah Drake, who was the inaugural Integrity Commissioner at the Law Enforcement Conduct Commission, also served on the Fair Work Commission. She's been appointed Acting Commissioner of the New South Wales Greyhound Welfare and Integrity Commission known as g WICK and she will leave
this independent inquiry. Racing Minister David Harris confirmed the inquiry would look into greyhound welfare and the care of greyhounds by the governing body Greyhound Racing New South Wales, including adoption and rehoming programs, the body's processes and management including procurement and recruitment practices. It's reporting an accuracy in relation to greyhounds, and management's response to complaints or concerns about
organizational and workplace culture and conduct. Mister Harris said in a statement that he was absolutely committed to ensuring a competitive, responsible and sustainable greyhound racing industry with the highest standards of animal sorry welfare and integrity. It's important that the governing bodies and senior leadership of the racing codes meet
these standards. I take these various concerns about greyhound racing New South Wales very seriously and this inquiry, using the full investigative powers of g WICK, will conduct a thorough and wide ranging review of all relevant issues. He also had this to say at a press conference.
What we need to do is let the inquiry look into these issues and give recommendations back to the government about how we can change the license conditions if necessary, or implement improvements to ensure that we have best practice.
No doubt many in the industry will be tonight worried depending on the results of this inquiry that a ban could well be back on the cards now. As I said last night, the trigger for this is a letter from the Greyhound Racing New South Wales former chief Vet, which was sent to the governing body in June, claiming that rehoming rates had been inflated, dogs were racing too much, causing too many injuries, and that they were left to live out their miserable post racing lives in industrial kennels
quote unquote. Some of the allegations, including those relating to veterinary care, warranted further investigation. According to a response by g Wick that was tabled in state parliament this week, but it also dismissed others as wrong, including that hundreds of dog deaths had been hidden. The chief executive of
Greyhound Racing New South Wales also resigned this week. Now, while this investigation may focus on the governing body rather itself, rather than the entire industry, here's what David Harris said were in the terms of reference.
The accuracy and reporting by Greyhound Racing New South Wales in relation to Gris greyhounds and whether that reporting represents the true state of the greyhound racing industry, including the welfare of greyhounds and the state of related programs under Greyhound Racing New South Wales Control Awareness and Oversight.
That's despite Gwick already dismissing concerns about things like death numbers being wrong. And of course, if the investigation were to find that the governing body had covered things up, that would tend to suggest problems in the industry at large that needed covering up, which may well open the door to trouble for the entire industry and not just the governing body, and any sort of problems within the post racing rehoming program could also be a trigger for
activists to pursue another ban. Whatever the inquiry uncovers, animal activists will use what are most likely rare cases to push for a ban on greyhound racing. And in a six sort of way, these people actually want bad things to happen. They can help bolster their argument. The industry that I know has little to worry about in an inquiry, and anyone who does not take their responsibility towards their
animals seriously deserves to be named and shamed. Any kind of mismanagement or misbehavior deserves to be exposed for the good of the sport and the welfare of the animals. But you'd be foolish to think that activists with an axe to grind will not try to hijack this inquiry. The Greens have a policy of banning all racing.
Now.
If this inquiry uncovers any mistreatment or shoddy practices among a few bad apples, the Greens and their milk will almost certainly use it to push for a ban. These activists peddle the lie that horses and dogs are just disposable machines for the profit of owners. But I can assure you, as someone who owns both that I generally spend much more than I make in prize money because I love the sport and these marvelous athletic animals. As to all the participants, I know they get into racing
because they love the sport and they love the animals. Now, yes, there will always be bad apples, but there are bad apples everywhere. You cannot, on the basis of their behavior, besmirch an entire industry. That's what the activists will try to do. Though New South Wales Premier Chris Mins yesterday said that he would not ban greyhound racing and whatever the results of this inquiry, he has to stick to
his guns. The one insurance policy against a ban is that Mens isn't stupid and he'd well know, especially after watching what happened to make Baird when he tried to ban greyhound racing sorry in twenty sixteen, that a ban would be electoral poison for labor in the regions. But the noise will be loud and the activists will fight hard. Now, like many involved in racing, I welcome an inquiry, but we must be careful that it is used to improve
the industry and not turned into a witch hunt. As I said last night, greyhound racing mightn't be as popular as horse racing, but that makes it an easy target for activists and an easy sacrificial lamb for governments that want to shut them up. Sacrificing the dogs would open a much, much bigger problem. Now, while we're on animals and activists, I have to tell you the curious story of Yarra Council in Melbourne, which probably would have to be one of the worker's councils anywhere in the world
I reckon now. The council is this week unanimously voted for a climate emergency plan that said we need to decolonize the landscape and outdoor spaces by using traditional Aboriginal land management practices, which would apparently bring the area back from quote unquote the precipice of climate and ecological collapse.
The plan says this means prioritizing climate resilient indigenous and native vegetation, including trees, grasses, and groundcovers, which will provide suitable habitat for our native wildlife while minimizing resource intensive maintenance practices. Simultaneously, decolonizing our outdoor spaces means ensuring that the knowledge and practices of the Warujuri woi Warang are embedded into land management. There you go, climate change solved
by Yarra Council. It also said that residents should act on the climate emergency using public transport or walking or riding a bike, consuming resources consciously whatever that means, and move their banking and superannuation away from companies that invest in fossil fuels. But here's the real silver bullet. The council recommended that residents adopt a vegetarian diet. Yes, your council is telling you what you should and shouldn't eat.
And you'd expect then that Yarra Council had been leading by example that they were all veo. So have a guess what was served up to councilors and executive staff before their meeting this week. Kinwa salad, perhaps maybe a little mushroom risotto will No, it was roast beef. They knocked down on roast beef and then walked into the chamber to tell residents that they should be eating venjo
to save the planet. One rule for thee another for me. Now, they've generally offered beef, lamb or chicken dishes before their meetings apparently so. Of course, the Herald's son asked the council about this, and lo and behold, they came back this afternoon and said that meat will be off the menu from now on and councilors and staff will be
subjected to plant based meals. Only one wonders whether if the Herald son hadn't asked that question, whether that would have ever happened, they would have just kept eating the beef and the chicken and the lamb. But I also wonder how many people will actually rock up to these pre meeting dinners from now on. Also tonight, as the Prime Minister insists that gas projects are the key to our transition to net zero, Labour's own energy consultation paper
has rejected the gas industry. Plus the ghost of Prime Minister's past Malcolm Turbul, he resorts back to haunting his former Liberal rivals, and one of them has hit back, and the Hollywood star slash mega Democrat funder who's turning his back on Joe Biden like so many of them. Well, the rise of the Muslim vote in the UK election last week has stirred speculation that this will drip feed
into our elections here in Australia. On the first of July, this group called the Muslim Vote was established, and it's a group that, according to their website, is a movement that is alone capable of forcing the current government into minority government. Well, the Daily Telegraph exclusively revealed today that a man named Mohammad Khanan is the sole director of this group, a man who said he had no previous
experience in politics or political campaigns for that matter. Joining me now to discuss his commentator Jason Morrison and the Daily Telegraphs Federal Report political reporter, Sorry Angira barhard Waj Jason, I cannot believe that we have a situation here, of course where and you've got this group funded by someone who's never had an interest in politics before, sprung up out of nowhere. They've worked out that maybe they've got a bit of sway, now.
Bit of sway.
Look, they're a lobby group for the moment, but when they become a political party, I'm looking forward to Labor and the Coalition treating them like they've treated one nation forever, because you've still got you Dimwitz and the Coalition that want to put one nation last. Because it's such an abhorrent political movement we can't deal with it.
So you're going to deal with a.
Mob, are you, Labor Party Greens that represents, at its most radical fringe, some of the most atrocious and disgusting things that it is abc use with the Australian culture. That's not to say all Muslim culture is, but there's a fraction of it that is. And I find it staggering that this is being treated as, oh, well, it's just another group out there. They will not be representing the moderate view. They will be representing the extremist view.
And if the view of one nation is it's always been about extremists and things like that, then treat this mob the same and watch them have absolutely no political influence in Australia.
But they won't.
Labor will trade with them, the Greens will endorse them and back them and be partners with them, and you'll have this sort of bizarre situation emerging, as you have seen in the UK at the moment, where you actually do have a thorough block of people who vote a particular way based on religious and ethnic lines, and that's not a good thing in this country.
Yeah, and of course it may not all of them may represent an extremist view and gear, but you know you've got a significant block here that says they're going to give it a serious go. How much of a threat do you think is that it is really to Labor seats in Western Sydney.
Look, Caleb, I think a lot of this depends on the timing of the election and also what happens in Gaza between now and a potential election. There have been suggestions we might have an election as early as later this year, so that would really change things because, as it's clear the story in the Telegraph today, this movement
is really in its infancy. We have not seen it get anywhere near as organized as it was in the UK, so I think it's a bit of a case of time will tell in terms of danger in a lot of those Western Sydney seats. Labor sources have admitted to me that Tony Burke's seat of Watson is one that could be at risk. It does have a very high Muslim population and people are there quite frustrated with Labour's response.
But we do have a preference system that doesn't really allow these movements to have the same impact as they did in the UK.
Now and Gira. We talked about this on the show last night, but you revealed yesterday the Daily Telegraph that in the month of May this year you had more than two thousand, three hundred asylum seekers that flew into Australia and that's the most popular way for quote unquote asylum seekers to get into the country. Now, that was the highest month since Albanizi took office two years ago.
Is the government concerned about the levels at which they're coming in, particularly given that I think it's eleven people of the eighty odd thousand that have flown into this country have actually left.
Look, if they're not concerned, they really should be, because this is an area where the Coalition has traditionally been quite strong, and with an election coming up, it will be an area that the Coalition and voters will be watching closely. Now with two active wars around the world right now, we can't really afford to have dodgy asylum seekers trying to get into the country when we also
have people coming by boat. We did have a report today about people from coming by Indonesia and having boats turned away. So I would like to say, and I would hope that The Labor government is.
Concerned about this.
They have put one hundred and sixty million dollars into new programs to try and tackle this. But with the numbers that we've been reporting in the Telegraph for a little while and then again the month of May, it doesn't seem like it's having an impact just yet. And we've had twenty three hundred people come in May. That's not that far off from the highest on record, which was back in twenty eighteen, which was twenty eight hundred.
So we're really heading into that direction where we could be breaking an all time record.
And why wouldn't you give it a go, Jason, Why not give it a go. They get in and no one seems to get rid of them.
There's a good track record, particularly with the mob running the country at the moment, given that the Immigration Minister used to be an activist lawyer acting for this corner of migrant in Australia. And I think this is the problem with this issue in the minds of a lot
of Australians. They look at the grand total immigration intake and even though you could argue from a policy perspective, you shouldn't, a lot of Aussies are really frustrated with what's going on in the country about how difficult life is for them at the moment, a sense that their government is not there for them at the second, and to sort of see a little special treatment for a little group here, you know, record immigration over here, and
you put all the things together and they become clouded issues in the minds of a lot of people. And I feel like saying, you know, this is a country. I pay my way here and I get real nothing back. And there is that undertone that is there. This is going to be a big political issue for Labor, and I think their reaction to that Telegraph story tells you plenty. They don't want to talk about it because they know
it's best not spoken about. Whereas once by a time, Labor used to be the party that would say, yes, that's us, we let these people in here, damn good are we. They're not saying that now because they know that Australians at the second are really pissed off with their government and their attitudes to immigration broadly speaking, and.
They saw what happened last time, of course, when they had an almost open border policy when it came to both people in particular and it didn't end well for them. Now let's go to my favorite state of Victoria. Favorite being a bit of an exaggeration, but their economy has been absolutely destroyed, of course by successive leaders. Daniel Andrews plunge the joint the economy into enormous step following COVID,
and they cannot get out of that. I mean, you look at the taxes that they're levying down there or not income tax. That's the I wish we Actually this is a different point. We should be able to give income tax back to the states, but we'll get into that discussion another day. Lamb tax is what I was going for. But just inter Allen, Now, hundreds of government infrastructure projects not totally unusual, but the blowouts on hundreds of projects are going to go into millions and millions
of dollars over budget. Now, as I say, Angira, look, you kind of expect that of government projects, but for a state that is so strapped for cash right now, the only person they can get it out of is the taxpayer. And if you're a Victorian taxpayer right now, you'd be like, get me out of here.
Absolutely.
I mean, this is not the first time we've seen cost blowouts with the Victorian government. We do know that state premiers like Chris Minz and Jacinta Allen have been lobbying CANBRA for more money for some of these infrastructure projects. I feel like a lot of these issues are not going to go away anytime soon. I mean, the constraints that we've seen in the construction industry are not going
to go away anytime soon. So Victoria's really going to have to figure out a way to get their economy in shape because these projects aren't going to pay for themselves and there's only so much they can get out of the Commonwealth.
Well, the most indebted jurisdiction in the country, and I think Berg Capita they're actually one of the most indebted in the world. I mean, that sort of tells you where things are, doesn't it.
Now.
An unexpected article in The New York Times today, Hollywood star George Clooney has weighed in on the electoral shambles in the US sorry he's urged President Biden to withdraw. He wrote, the Joe Biden I was with three weeks ago at a fundraiser was not the Joe big effing deal Biden of twenty ten He wasn't even the Joe Biden of twenty twenty. He was the same man we all witnessed at the debate. We are not going to win in November with this president. This isn't only my opinion.
This is the.
Opinion of every Senator and congress member and governor who I have spoken with in private, every single one, irrespective of what he or she is saying publicly. I mean, he's lost all his friends in the world. I've done now, the clooney factions.
Moved on him. He's done.
It's a matter of time.
Really. I mean, when you.
Start losing the celebrities that bring you the doshi in because their presence and their endorsement means a lot to the imbeciles who think that celebrities matter in the United States, it's finished. And when I see that, I mean, if those quotes are accurate, or the paraphrasing of them is even slightly close to the.
Truth, that is damning.
Because he's been up the shirt with Biden for so long, he has been so in the camp, and for him to sort of be wavering is devastating.
Yeah, Oh, most definitely, Angira. It's hard to see from here with so many people within the party, his mates, his donors, saying sorry, mister Biden, you're not up for the job. For him to still be there in November would be the most damaging thing he could do for his own party, the Democrats.
I completely agree, it would be the most damaging thing he can do for the Democrats and also for his own political legacy. I mean, when you've got people, like Jason said, some of your biggest backers starting to say it's time to go. We really hope that the people around him, his family and his friends are advising him
to listen. The Democrats have relied on celebrities in the past for their campaign, and to have someone like George Clooney put it in such simple and such blunt terms really should be sending alarm bells.
I'm sure it is. Well, not that he's listening to them, but I'm sure it's sending a live mappey to someone.
I hope he doesn't listen to them.
Wouldn't it be magnificent? It will be magnificent A way to watch the way it all unfolds. Jason Morrison and Yira Baradwaj, thank you so much for joining me tonight. Well as I'm sure you know. World leaders are in Washington for NATO's seventy fifth annual Summit, and Ukraine is
one of the biggest topics being discussed. Joe Biden announced that NATO would be committing five new strategic air defense systems to Ukraine, and they've now brought China into the mix, labeling it a decisive enabler of Russia's war against Ukraine. NATO's Secretary General John Stoltenberg said that the message sent from NATO from this summit is very strong and very clear, and we are clearly defining China's responsibility when it comes
to enabling Russia's war. NATO leaders urged China to cease all material and political support to Russia's war. Joining me now is Liberal MP Andrew Wallace, Andrew, thank you for joining me. Look, something tells me that China ain't going to take too much notice of what NATO tells them.
Well, I mean, look, Caleb, thanks for having me on the show.
But it's incredibly important that the world leaders, like leaders from NATO, are pressing the case against China's involvement in the Ukraine war. Now it is very clear that China is acting as a decisive enabler in providing assistance to Ukraine, both in military support and in also in their supply chains for re ements. So that's a real concern and it's something that NATO is very very clearly pushing back on today.
Well they should be, but I suppose the question is how much can you expect any of this to change. China and Russia have been soling up to each other for a long time, and as much as we or the more that we rightly push back against Russia, it only sort of tends to embolden the two countries. I mean, you tell China or Russia what to do, they tend to do the exact opposite. That's not to say that we shouldn't be speaking out, but it feels a bit like you're whistling in the wind sometimes.
Well, I mean, it's very important that Western countries are defending the rules based order. We know that the United Kingdom, European countries, and of course the United States are providing material support to Ukraine, whilst the Australian government's support of Ukraine has to be said, has been utterly disappointing since Labor came to power. Now when the Coalision was in government, we were the largest non NATO contributor to the Ukraine
War offort. And since then the Australian government has dropped right down that ladder board in their support. You know, effectively, what we've been doing since the change of government is, you know, Richard Marles has been going out the back into the back garage and seeing what sort of surplus stock the ADF has got and then offering it to Ukraine.
It's really been utterly pathetic.
As pathetic as it has been in relation to pushing back against the Hooties and the Red Sea, where we haven't even sent a ship.
All we did was send six ADF officers.
I mean, I know why we didn't send a ship to the Red Seeds because we don't have one to send basically, which is an indust.
We do.
We just chose not to.
It's not a matter of us not having a surface ship to be able to send. The decision was made not to send one. And that's perhaps even more telling.
Why do you believe that Labor has reduced its support for Ukraine.
Well, I mean, look, that's a question that you'd probably be best to ask the Prime Minister. It absolutely beggars belief why Anthony Albanizi has not demonstrated greater support for Ukraine. You know, we've seen absolute utter weakness from this Prime ministry in relation.
To the war in the Middle East, in the.
Support for Israel as a result of what happened on October seven. But what's happening also, you know, the world's attention has been drawn into the Middle East, and I understand that, but we can't forget what's happening in Europe. It's the first land based war in Europe since the Balkans, and certainly one of the most serious since the end of World War Two. So you know, we've got a
wark in chew Gum here. At the same time, we have a very very serious conflict in Europe, we have a an emerging greater conflict in the Middle East, particularly in the north of Israel and Lebanon, and of course the tensions are continuing to rise in the South China Sea and in and around Taiwan. We've seen once again People's Liberation Army Air Force taking.
Belligerent action in the Taiwan and he's straight just very recently.
Indeed, Andrew Wallace, thank you for your time well coming up. Economists are at odds over the RBA's next move. Plus Peter Dutton responds to Malcolm Turnbull labeling him a thug. All of that after the break, Welcome back Caleb Bond in for Shari this week. Well, we're fewer than four weeks away from the Reserve banks next rates announcement. Of course people are hanging on for that. The federal Government's
definitely hanging on for it. But economists are at odds over whether the RBA should increase the cash rate, and given Australia is the only G ten nation or inflation has increased since December, one view further interest rate hikes is a real possibility. Joining me now to discuss is Judo Bank's chief economic advisor, Warren Hogan warrant. Which side of the fence do you fall on? We need it or we don't need it? And then after that, will we get it or won't we get it?
Yeah?
I think we do need it because the risk here is that we let inflation get away from us. So we do not want to get into a situation in the next couple of years like we did in the late eighties where we're chasing it and rates have to go up a lot. We know where that ends, and that is in a genuine bad recession. So it's all about insurance. And the reality is, although we have seen a lot of increases in interest rates four hundred and twenty five basis points, the real interest rate interest rate
minus inflation is only just above zero. You know, we've only just got that cash rate above the inflation rate, and history shows that not only is that level probably inflationary in itself, it certainly doesn't get rid of inflation. So we're running a lot of risk, and the result Bank knows it. But they were hoping that that big lift in the cash right would have such a big effect on all these variable mortgage rates and really hurt the economy that they would get the job done. But
now we're two years down the track. The economy is a lot softer, the consumers a lot softer, but the economy is actually holding up pretty well. So we've got to address that risk. In my view, I think it's just too much risk to bear because one thing we've got to avoid it all costs is that interest rate going up towards six percent, because we're not going to get anyhere any of the seventeen percent of the late
eighty yeh. But we've got to not let that thing get away from us because that will be really disruptive.
How do you actually sell that message to homeowners and investors though, because I mean, you know a lot of people are really feeling the pinch right now, and it's like, well, you need another interest rate rise and potentially another one after that. People don't want to swallow it, and the federal government's crossing all of its appendages that doesn't happen.
So the federal government, I think the problem has been that they, like many people, have underestimated the strength of the economy and.
The severity of the inflation.
So if they don't know on this two years ago, they might have had different tactics and strategies, particularly this fiscal stimulus that we've seen this year. In terms of the broader community that.
We can't get away from it. I mean, always low.
Income earners or first time buyers to get hit when rates go up, But we've got a new cohort, which is people who actually have pretty good incomes, probably two of them, but they've got massive mortgages and they took those out when rates were low, and we thought, on guidance from the RBA, that they'd stay low. And they're the ones, I think, who are the new sort of part of this that are really screaming blue murder because
they're up for thousands a month. So the reality is we cannot set our monetary policy for a few people, and whenever we take them all weage do any financial obligation. We've got to sort of understand the risk.
Now.
Sure, no one could have seen the biggest inflation in fifty years after the lowest interest rates.
Ever, but that's a reality we have to bear.
And if we try and shirk that and get away from that, then we're going to just create a bigger problem for the whole place.
What's the risk of recession do you think? I mean, when you look at the numbers, it's hard to come to the conclusion that if it weren't for high levels of migration, we would effectively be in recession. We are effectively in recession. We're just propping the numbers up to make the economy look better.
Yeah, well it's not propping it up, but it is exactly right. I mean, it's real, it's out there, the people are here, it's causing housing shortages and all sorts of things.
So I mean, the reality is the idea.
Of recession being two quarters of negative GDP is very likely because we're at capacity. We can't actually grow that much. We've got super low unemployment. But a technical recession isn't there to be fit. I mean, America had a technical recession eight eight months ago, but it was never recorded as a recession because they're more sophisticated in the way.
They think about it.
So politically it's a nightmare because those two quarters will still register on the front pages. But what we really need to be worried about, as I said, is the bad recession. And I think the two rate hikes that I'm forecasting is all about keeping us on a sustainable path and avoiding that bad recession. And the problem or the fear I have is we sort of get scared of a little recession or a technical recession, but we
create the situation we get a bad one. So look, is we're going to get a technical I think there's a it's fifty to fifty in the next twelve months. But are we going to get a bad recession? I don't think we are, because we do have the population, we're actually a pretty solid economy and as long as we don't let this inflation get away from us, and I think we can avoid that.
I think the other thing, of course, on people's income their minds at the moment is income right, And it's an interesting study by the Productivity Commission out now that's showing that Australians have had an easier time moving up the income ladder than people in the US and France and the UK, et cetera. What's the go there.
So this is a great report. I haven't read it in detail, confairso we'll try to that. They do great work, and this looks like a piece of good work, and it's all about what this country is. We try to get away from that British class system and give people mobility, and we largely did that in the last hundred years.
And this is showing that that over the last fifty years, each generation can not only improve on their parents, but also if you come from low income, there's a chance you can get out of it, and so on and so forth. But the warning sign here is that more recently that's not showing up as much. And of course we all know, right now there's a massive intergenerational issue and it's actually not about income. It's about the balance
between income and assets on residential property housing. So I think this is a really important topic.
And we've got to think about it broadly. But it's a real stress point.
The system will sort itself out, but we're already seeing, you know, typically how do you deal with any generation. It's the point of death, I inheritance, but we're looking at it happening earlier, banker, mum and dad, all sorts of things.
So it's a.
Really important social and economic issue because there's a huge amount of our wealth sitting with people over sixty years old, correct, And there's a lot of people over sixty years old.
Now and more of them coming along as well. Yeah, Larren Hogan, thank you so much for your time.
Thank you well.
Coming up, the senior labor in p's calling out their own for lashing the coalition's nuclear plan, but the Work Council encouraging his residents to become vegetarians. I told you about it before. We'll get into it a little further all after the break, Ah, dearie me. He's the ghost of Prime Minister's past almost six years after he left office, Malcolm turnb but of course still harping on about his political enemies, sledging as we saw earlier this week his former Liberal rivals.
What sort of prime minister will Peter Dutton make.
If he wins?
I think that's something we should contemplate with dread.
Really, Folly's a thug.
You can just feel the venom that he's spitting, can't you. Well. Speaking to Radio Today, Peter Dutton gracefully brushed off the comment, saying that the former Prime minister was only diminishing his own legacy.
I just think people can see through it and I wish him the best. I think he diminishes himself by making his comments. Malcolm, he's got an act to grind. I think it's sad joining.
Me now our National Senator Matt Kennavan and Scarne News contributor Gary Hardgrave. Matt, why is Malcolm still in the party.
Well, look, it's a matter for the news of Osibral party. I think through Malcolm's actions it's almost like he wants them to kick him out, and so maybe it's best not to give him what he wants right now. Look, I don't think it matters all that much. I don't think the views of Malcolm Turnbull about the colleagues that he has a lot of bitterness about changes anyone's votes or thoughts about Australian politics. It is I think Peter
Dutton summed it up very correctly. It is all just a little sad and perhaps just a lesson for the rest of us how not to get consumed by bitterness in life. And I'm sure all of us have had things done wrong to us over time. And the best lesson when you compare people like Malcolm chewed up by business and others that get over it. The best lisson is to get over it, learn to forgive and get on with your life.
And of course the funniest thing Gary is that two was Turnbull himself who once described Tony Ebbitt and Kevin radd as miserable ghosts. I mean he embodies the term.
Well, I guess so, but look I declare I'm fully on team Dutton.
Dutton.
Peter Dutton is a proper Mensian liberal. He believes in having a full range of people there. But you know, the right to speak out often comes with the responsibility of taking actions for it. I remember when Malcolm came into the party room for the very first time in twenty oh four. He got up in the party room and said, I don't need a government provided car, a parliamentary provided car, because I have nine cars. So can we have taxi vouchers instead? So he cashed in his
electric car for taxi vouchers. Now, I think this is a story not often told. I've breached the sanctity of the Liberal Party Federal Parliamentary room.
But nevertheless, that's what he.
Said, and that left the last thing impression on me. And I don't think Malcolm's left the lasting impression. That's positive with many other people. But anyway, good luck there. I'm with Matt. Can I have you a bitiness, Malcolm and enjoy your investments and get on with life?
Yeah?
Well, you know, nine cars aren't that much used to you when you've been on the sauce? Are they? But cap judges, though they're very good after a long lunch. Now, we saw the reaction of some labor MPs after, of course, some Dutton unveiled his nuclear policy, all these three eyed koalas, all this this weird sort of stuff. And there are some senior labor MP's that are doing what they can
to keep their party from going astray. They've been urging their colleagues to keep the focus on the cost of living and not get caught up in these silly scare campaigns, all these memes that we saw as a few of them on the screen. There now Graham Perrot and he hit back. He said, it's not something to joke about, because I think you can't be serious about cost of living if you're joking about nuclear power. Power is a
serious issue for people. Another MP Labor in p said, I'm not one of those who's running the scare campaign against it. I'm not doing any of the silly Facebook stuff or anything like that. It's a matter of respect. People want to have a sensible discussion about it. Well, I think that's quite right, Matt. But many of course in the opposition just leaped to the opportunity to make fun of it all. There's no better way, I think, to actually convince people that nuclear energy is good than
to keep running the three yard Koala line. Clearly some people in the Labor Party understand that.
Yeah.
Look, I mean, I'm I like to have a laugh and I think life's too short not to laugh. So I'm not against some sort of humor. I kind of love memes online that they're very funny sometimes, But that's my problem with these ones.
They're not funny.
The nineteen nineties wants their jokes back, right, These were microwaved jokes. Come from the symptoms in the nineteen nineties and get some original material, guys.
That's the problem with them.
It's not cutting edge, it's not original, and they didn't add anything. A funny political cartoon or meme can add something to the debate. A picture tells a thousand words,
but these didn't. These didn't. They were hopeless and it just but maybe that does show how empty the Labor Party's arguments against nuclear are we are getting and the new Labor Party is supporting the provision of multiple nuclear submarines, nuclear powered submarines, but then at the same time saying or trying to say that having the same type of reactors on shore is going to lead to death and destruction is absolutely absurd, and that's why their jokes fell flat.
But I think that's that's the point, Gary, is that the reason there's nothing new in these these silly memes and jokes is because they don't have anything. They don't have an argument.
Now.
They know it's all pretty lazy politics.
But look, let's face it, all of our swimmers and athletes are about the head to Paris to Peter and Olympics.
Paris is powered by nucleus.
Seventy percent of its electricity comes from there. And I don't know about three eyed Frenchmen, but they're pretty one eyed the French. And I've got to say to you that the Labor Party's sense of humor is juvenile. It's the sort of stuff you would expect from university politics. And unfortunately, too many in politics these days are people who haven't graduated in an emotional sense from the stupid things they did at university.
And I'm going to say that's in both Team Blue and Team Red.
There's too many people who practice juvenile university style politics.
They think it's funny. Well, going to amuse yourself.
In another way, Australians are suffering right now that heat or eat question, many older Australians in particular, asking they want a solution to it, and so the idea of nuclear power. Nineteen out of the twenty countries in the G twenty have got it. I can't see why Australia can't have it. Is it going to happen tomorrow? No, but I think it's going to be part of the mix and it's a sensible conversation. Peter Dutton's promoted. The Labor Party hasn't met it with a sensible response.
Well, maybe we'll have some three ied Olympians when they come back, all the better to see you with. I suppose we've just what we're on energy and power. So you've got this green rating system that's been designed by the government. You know it will help us reach net zero, but it's going to reject the gas industry. Here was the Prime Minister's response today. What we've announced is a future gas strategy.
Well, we think that gas has an important role to play in firming capacity for renewables.
Does the left hand know what the right hand is doing?
Matter?
Because the PM said that gas is really important to get to net zero and then they put out a document saying gas not so good after all.
Well, it just shows that the joke's on us. The joke is all on us with our higher power prices and also with this evening's news that three thousand jobs are being lost in our nickel into because we are not, because we are denying ourselves the use of cheap energy sources. We are losing those three thousand jobs to Indonesia, who over the last two years has increased their use of
coal fired power by fifty seven percent. In two years, it's gone up fifty seven percent, and they're using that cul fired power to undercut our nickel industry go at lower prices, and now jobs are being lost in this country.
So it's about time we.
Get off this net zero chain, that train that clearly Indonesia's not on. They're not doing that, China's not doing that. Indonesia's not doing that. We're bat time we protect our own jobs and protect our own country and also get power process down for strains we should be using gas, should be using cold too, and of course uranium. Use it all to bring down power process.
Now, Gary before we go, I talked at the top of the show about the fact that our council in Melbourne has put out this climate change plan thing and they're pushing their residents to switch to a vegetarian diet, even though at the meeting before they all voted unanimously just bought this thing. They all ate to roast beef, I mean Gary, for heaven's sake, whatever happened to Rhodes rates and rubbish? Now they say all the residents have to.
Go then Joe, Yeah, Look they're just obviously run out of things to do. And if you live in your a council, good luck. I say something to chew over there. But look, these people have really lost the plot every
time they raised this sort of stuff. You know, the reality is Australian farmers, the food and fiber we produce, we feed you know, a couple of hundred million people a year from our production if we took the price, the costs structures out of it, and those three thousand jobs being lost out of the nickel industry also as a result of all the forms and fees and processes and all the silvy requirements that the green, the green
woke international elites have imposed upon us. I think I heard Gena Rehnhardt say last year four nine hundred and fifty forms they had to fill in to open up that massive roy Hill iron ore mine, the biggest iron ore state of Australia. We are killing ourselves on paperwork. We're killing ourselves and all this woke rubbish and the Era Council will conceit itself. But if I was living in the Ara Council, I'd move to the next one.
That's right. Well, if I was living in the Arra Council, I'd be going to buy the biggest stake I could find. Eric and Gary Hardgrave, Matt Canaban facing so much for your time, dear in me all right. Coming up after the break, we'll talk to Dave Sharma about the troubling calls from a prominent activist that's seen him referred to a state and federal police, plus the Prime Minister's tactics exposed as he enters campaign mode. Is he going to
call an early election? That's up for the break. Well, exclusive yarn from our own Caroline Marcus, who I can see sitting just across the way here join her on Paul Murray Live. Shortly, a leading pro Palestinian activist has been referred to both federal and state police after calling for an armed resistance death to America outside the US consulate in Melbourne on the fourth of July, which of course is Independence Day in the US. Sky News exclusively obtained fresh vision of the incident.
We believe in the resistance.
We're going to start the arm resistance, and we've got to go.
Back and celebrate the fair of dark colony.
It's our lie very will never.
Believed their resistance.
Joining me now to discuss Liberal Senator Dave Sharma. Dave, I mean, this is what happens when you have a weak response from the government and everyone else. We shouldn't be surprised.
No, we shouldn't be, Caleb. It's unfortunate, but that's a very true statement. I mean, this individual, you know, calling for armed resistance, protesting outside the US consulate, involved in some of the university encampments, involved in other matters of interest to the courts and the police. You know, we should not be tolerating this in Australia. And it's been allowed to go on for far too long since the
seventh of October. A climate of permissiveness, a free license given to people who are calling for death to other people calling for armed resistance, calling for violent struggle, calling for gad whatever it might be, it has no place in Australia.
And of course we had the announcement this week of a Special Envoy on anti Semitism, and I mean, you know, great, it's come along some nine months after the war between Israel and Gaza started. But you know how much would that have done to stop something like this? I don't know.
Well, I think, you know, I welcome the appointment of a special envoy, and I think it's come far too late, as you point out, but it can't be used as an excuse for the advocation of leadership by Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi and his senior ministers. And too often we've seen from them, and from Albanesi and from his senior leadership team, an attempt to sort of speak out of both sides of their mouth on this issue. We've had you know, Ja Sinclaire saying that phrasers like from the
river to the sea mean different things to different people. No, they don't. The meaning of that is very clear. We've had other senior labor front benches dog whistling about genocide
and war crimes and things like that. You know, this government has really tried to be all things to warll people on this issue, rather than taking a clear moral stand, rather than standing up for Australian values, and in many respects, I mean, their own internal divisions show that they're reaping what they saw from that approach that they've taken.
Now the federal government, the Labor parties ramping up campaigning in Queensland at the moment you saw the Prime Minister out and about today making some candidate announcements etc. But it's interesting if you have a look at some of the colors you see there of what they've put on social media, that there's just curiously no sign of red anywhere. In fact, the colors that they using, yellow and blue are used by the LNP in Queensland. Strange, isn't it, Dave.
Yeah, I was struck by that. I mean, there's no Labor logo, there's no signature Labor red. The colors that are being used are a sort of royal blue, which is the traditional liberal color, and then an orange which is part of the LMP color kit in Queensland. It's almost as if they don't want a campaign as Labor candidates.
Is quite an odd choice of colors and branding, and it suggests to me that at least in Queensland, they know that the Labor brand is very much on the nose and they're trying to distance themselves and the candidates probably are as much as possible I mean, we may well never see these candidates photograph with Anthony Albanesi. Again, we should save this one for the archive.
Well, that's what I was going to say. It's interesting that they've sort of distanced themselves from the Labor branding, but they've actually chosen to get the Prime Minister involved. They must think that some kind of positive I'm somewhat surprised by that.
Well, I think they're probably getting the obligatory photo now early before a campaign's underway. If the question is asked, why is Anthony Albanize, he not campaigned for you, I can say he was here several months ago, but I suspect we won't see him in much campaign material or campaign footage once the election proper is ontway. This is a well known inoculation tactic.
Wham bam, thank you, ma'am. Now, I spoke about this earlier in the program. But Labor is becoming, of course, increasingly worried about a likely surge of Muslim votes, particularly in Western Sydney, independent candidates threatening key seats. You've got this, the Muslim vote group that has set up. We tooked about that earlier in the program. How much of a threat do you think that actually is and is it possible that that could sway labor policy in any way.
Look, I'd say two things about this. Firstly, the idea of a political party that represents a religious community is not, in and of itself necessarily novel. But the idea that political party would campaign on only one issue, which is a foreign policy issue and which is about changing Australia's
foreign policy, I think is unprecedented. And I think if we had any other component of Australian society setting up a political party to campaign not to look after the interests of that community in Australia, not to look after their welfare or their access to opportunity or their equality before the law, but to campaign for a foreign policy change, I think we take a pretty skeptical and suspicious view of it, and I worry about that this is what this party is seeking to do. I think for labor,
I mean, I think, look what it does. And I don't want to be a commentator on their own internal politics, but I think it shows you that their attempts to straddle these divisions rather than taking a clear position on the basis of morality. After the seventh of October, terrorist attacks and frankly on the basis of Australia.
I'm sorry, David, I'm cutting. I'm cutting into James Morrow's time here, Dave Shama, thank you for joining me, Thank you for joining me this week. Up next James Morrow with Paul Murray Life