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Good Evening. Welcome to the program tonight. All spin and no substance. That's the Prime Minister's hollow promise over a social media ban for kids. His announcement today could be straight from the satire utopia. I'll tell you why in a moment. Also tonight, the teals accused of supporting the Radical Greens seventy percent of the time. Paul Fletcher will take us through this new research and we'll look at the irresponsible and quite frankly dangerous claims by Clementine Ford
and Brendan O'Neil. International thought leader would join me to discuss. Plus, the stage is set for one of the most anticipated presidential debates in modern history, so what can we expect. We'll have analysis throughout the show. But first to the farce of alban Ezy's announcement about a social media ban for kids. Now, this is a popular policy, it's one that I personally agree with. But Albaneze's entire pledge today was misleading and had come unstuck by midday. I'll show
you why. First, the Prime Minister did a breakfast television blitz to announce a social media ban for young teens.
What we want to do is to get our kids off their devices and onto the footy fields or the netball courts. Social media has a social responsibility in order to have that social license.
It's not easy.
We accept that and the result mightn't be perfect, but.
If you listen carefully, he was evasive about the detail behind it. What age will social media actually be banned for kids? He didn't know. He just gave a vague answer of somewhere between fourteen and sixteen.
We're looking at the range between fourteen and sixteen. That's one of the reasons why we're having a trial, and what we're looking at is how you deliver it.
But then his minister, Michelle Rowland had a different age range when she was asked just a couple of hours later, what.
We are seeking to do through our age assurance trial is examined that range around thirteen to sixteen.
And how would this social media bound work, How would the age limit be enforced, would the tech giants face penalties, would there be punishments or The Prime Minister had no clue. It was simply a re announcement of a trial that we've known about for a long time.
Know that social media is doing social harm, so that's why we've put funding in the budget to have this age verification trial.
So today there was actually no new detail apart from the trial that had already been announced four months ago in the Maybe these are alarming red flags, but there was worse to come. Albanezi said new laws announcing the social media age limit would be introduced by the end of this year. Well, we're in September, so that's only three months away.
We're committed to introducing legislation before.
The end of this year.
We're going to introduce legislation by the end of the year and before the end of this year. We will introduce legislation by the end of the year.
So if he's promising new laws, as he said clearly repeatedly, he can't back away from that. Now promising new laws by the end of the year, that leaves only three months to do the trial he announced in the budget and then have some firm answers. Well, it seems unlikely, but his promise really came unstuck when Communications Minister Michelle Roland was asked specifically about what would be in legislation
and it was extraordinary. She said the legislation could be introduced without even an age limit.
Have a look, we will introduce legislation before the end of the year.
The age with the age limit in place.
We'll see what comes out of the Age Assurance trial. We want to make sure that we get this right and so that's why we are committing to introduce this legislation. Will continue to have this conversation about age.
The new laws designed to put a social media age limit on kids could be introduced before the end of the year without the age limit. Well, this shocked the Shadow Communications Minister David Coleman, who first came up with this policy idea for a federal ban, because.
I don't seem to know what the age is and Minister Roland seems to have just said that the legislation might not actually include the age even how long this debate has been going on, How can the government not know its opinion is.
But here's the worst part. Sensationally, David Coleman also revealed that the tender for the trial only went out today.
The tender to run it just went out today. It's dated the tenth of September. So things are seriously off the rails here.
And we fact checked it and he's right. Here's that tender document. Have a look and it shows the tender search for the company to run the trial. So I'll just say that again. The tender search for the company to run the trial only went out today. As you can see, it closes on the seventh of October. That means the trial is not even going to begin until
after mid October, at mid October at the earliest. That then leaves about a month and a half for firstly the trial to be done and completed, then the legislation to be drafted and introduced to the Parliament. You can see right now that this is going to be another massive broken promise. It's almost unbelievable. Yet, have a look at the announcement the Prime Minister made in the tabloid
newspapers today. In the Daily Telegraph big front page age of Reason, it said the Prime Minister will today announce the government will legislate age limits for platforms such as Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and Snapchat. The Herald Sun front page as well win for our kids. The PM will impose minimum age for social media used to protect children. And the Career Mail front page again Albow to introduce social media age
limit laws. Well, this is hutzba for the Prime Minister planting front pages and doing a breakfast television blitz when he doesn't have a single genuine answer or solid idea about how the social media ban will work. I mean, it reminds me of one of those announceables in the political satire The Hollow Men with Rob Sich.
I don't think we're at the press release stage just yet. Come on, we're always at the press release stage.
But what are we announcing?
The Prime Minister declares war on a childhood absta But.
That's just the line.
What comes next, Well.
That's your job. Well, that's what you get paid for to come up with all the other pages.
Everybody's really excited about the PM's plan.
There is no plan.
We've announced it and people love it.
Nothing has been decided.
I mean it's identical. It's funny when it's satire, but not when it's reality. Perhaps this media blitz without the detail to substantiate the announcement is the work of the Prime Minister's overhauld communications team. Albinizi has had his third head of media in less than a year. Less than one year he went from Liz Fitch to Brett Mason and now Fiona Sugden who worked for Kevin O seven back in the day. And as you know, Kevin did
love an announceable. But this isn't just funny. This is actually dangerous because in light of alban Ezi's announcement, the South Australian Premier Peter Malanaskis said he'd step back from his own laws to allow for the national band to go ahead.
Means we get a nationwide solution, which is a far better approach than a hot potch of the arrangements around states.
Which is what we've been advocating for from the outset.
There's no need for Melanascus to step back because alban Ezy and Michelle Roland have no idea what they're talking about, They have no details worked out, their plan is a long way off and their trial won't even start for another month, and as Michelle Roland admitted, their legislation may not even include an age limit in it at all. What's the point in new laws if there's no age limit. It's utterly bizarre and it's a pity because we do need a social media age limit for kids for early teenagers.
Tech giants like TikTok care little about ruining innocent childhoods, and our children deserve to have this precious time in their lives. Protect it. Yet what we've seen from Albineasy today is all spin and no substance. A desperate prime minister behind in the polls looking for a popular policy to save him, but his announcement barely made it until
midday before being exposed for its litany of holes. Okay, a lot coming up in the show, but now let's bring in my Tuesday regular panel, former Speaker of the House Bronwan Bishop and Sky News host Caleb Bond. Welcome to you both. Look, let's start with that issue today, Bronwin, I haven't seen anything like this in quite a while. That literally seemed like it could have come from the Hollow Man or utopia, but it was reality. And what gets me even more is that the media just go
along with it. No one questions it, they just announce it.
I'll stop them talking about ten plebsct. I mean, the bottom line is this is only half the question. Peter Dutton came out what last junent said, he will do it in government. Mel Anauskis has come out and said, quite honestly, looking like you can't wait for Alba to do anything. He's useless.
I'll do it.
And then Albo running to catch up and thought, oh gosh, And they'll talk about something else. But the reality is they're talking about the age limit for kids to get on social media is only half the problem. Pornography is the huge problem. Look, there's some really interesting research that's come out of the United States where it needs to be addressed. Like, every second in America, twenty five thousand people are watching pornography every second, Like every day, forty
million regular viewers are watching pornography. Thirty four percent of all Internet users experience unwanted pawn experience. Now that includes kids, and what happens is that when kids watch it, it increases teenage pregnancies. It interrupts the natural development of relationships between boys and girls because there's this expectation about what sexual sexual connection means.
It is a.
Destroying element and yet something it is like the biggest user of the Internet, and there is nothing down to the tech giants to say stop it, stop it being there, and stop it getting the kids and else whose lives it destroys.
Also, look, I think you're right because we've had this, we're having this big debate at the moment about gambling advertising, but there's very little discussion about what other contents so unrestricted to children. And you know one thing you didn't
mention there was domestic violence. Well it adds and it adds to it because there's a big trend in pornography, I'm told by experts of choking, and so men think, young boys think this is what happens when they have sex with a young girl, that they have to choke the young girl. But Caleb, I want to get back to this social media announcement from the Prime Minister today, and it was clearly an announcement, however, welcome and I
support it absolutely. However welcome, but not one skeric of detail behind it, no substance to back it up.
Well, I would call it policy on the run, but you can barely call it policy, right, it's half of policy on the run. The reality here is that Peter Malanowski seems to be running the country and to be perfectly honest, i'd welcome that over Anthony Albanzi. They should see the Canberra and make him leader. He'd make it he'd be damn sight better as leader than Albanisi and.
Chris Men's as well. Peter Melanowskis and Chris Men's are the model of what a late leader should be like, not the lot we've got in Canberra.
Correct, and it's all good and well to say, as you say, most people would support the idea of an age limit on social media because we know the damage that has been done to children by it. But we've known that for a long time. This isn't a revelation in any way. It's not new research, it's not new data. It's been around for years. So the premiers, after, of course, the Opposition, as Bronwind said before, already said they would
do this in government. The premiers have finally jumped on board and said, well, we're actually going to get on with it. The Prime Minister realizes quite rightly that it will be unworkable if every state has their own rules. One could say sixteen, I could say fourteen, one could say thirteen.
Have seen the side work? Will he this one's the positive press?
But sure, sure, sure, But that's why he needs to come up with an age This need this should have been put forward when there was a concrete decision about how this would work. And it's not just about age. We need to be told how it's going to be implemented. What's the system whereby we work out the age of the people who are trying to sign up for social media? Are we using AI technology to assess their faces? Are we expecting them to put in their birth certificate? None
of this detail has been outlined. You cannot have a system that prevents children from using social media without having all of that in place, and none of that exists. It's a great idea, but there's no substance to it.
It just got the sense that he's had a run of bad polls, the momentums in Peter Dutton's direction Brodwin and so the Prime Minister was looking for something correct popular, I mean news polls probably in the field this week.
Correct.
So he's gone for this announcement, but then couldn't answer any of the questions when he did his Breakfast TV BULLITTZ catch up politics.
He was left behind. He has always left behind. Is an absolute disaster. There is no leadership there at all.
And on the economy, we'll just have a look at another poll today. This is the Guardian survey and it found that more voters are blaming Labor alban Easy for interest rate rises. Forty four percent put the responsibility on the government and this is up from thirty one percent in February last year. So clearly Labor is trying to shift the blame onto the RBA. But according to two poles now the result pole in the Herald yesterday this one in the Guardian, Caleber doesn't look like the voters of.
And that's why they've been trying to shift the blame. But people are not stupid, and it's often said that the electorate always gets it right, and they can see they're not stupid that the main reason that interest rates have gone up, apart from the number one issue that they've identified there, which is that prices have gone up. Sure, but why have prices gone up? The RBA can only pull one lever and it's the same leave they always pull, and that is to increase interest rates. But people can
see that that doesn't just happen in a vacuum. It happens because of economic circumstances, and the government keeps pumping money into the economy via projects and e'snomic stimulus and whatever else. And that leads to inflation. Well, what's the RBA meant to do after that? And I know we've all engaged in a bit of RBA bashing at certain times, and I certainly have as well when Philip Lowe was running the show. But I think Michelle Bullock has been
a great communicator as RBA governor. She's made the case very well for what they are doing, and I think that's cutting through increasingly according to this poll, and people can see that if it were not for the fact that the government will not pull its own weight, the RBA wouldn't have to pull even more weight, and we're the ones who are ultimately paying for that.
Look, it might be a case of be careful what you wish for because the government announced you working processes for the RBA. So that Michelle Bullock is fronting up to the cameras more, taking questions from journalists, more bronwyin. But on the flip side, you know she has the opportunity to say things like government spending, state owned federal is contributing to inflation remaining persistent.
Well, absolutely, and she's turned out to be a very fine appointment. And I think the charmers thought she'd be a pushover, and it hasn't turned out that way. But he is literally sounding like a child throwing a tantrum, stamping his foot. Give me my RBA changes now, I want them now. I mean he sounds like the girl out of Willie Wonka, doesn't he for Suker Salt? I mean, seriously, I watch him say and the next expression he's almost like to say, and if you don't give me what
I want, I'll scream. Well, he's words about smashing the economy, and then he's ex boss weighing in with RBA punching itself in the face. What sort of language is that coming from so called responsible people?
The other thing in willi one group, of course, was the golden goose that lays the golden meg. Mister Chalmers might take notice of who that golden goose is and who labs Absolutely.
We'll come back to this political brawl about the Iba Overhols later in the show with my political panel. But let's turn to the US now because Kamala, Harris and Tramp are going head to head their first presidential debate. That's eleven o'clock tomorrow our time. You can watch it here on Sky News now, there's going to be a lot of rules around this debate, similar to Trump, similar to end Trump went up against Joe Biden, no live audience,
no pre written notes, and strict speaking time limits. This debate bronwin is going to be very important for Kamala, very high risk for her because she's tried her hardest not to be put on the spot with any live interviews, let alone a live debate like this.
Well, yes, but there's I reckon that the press over there in the United States have already written their stories for post of the debate. They were already saying She's won, wasn't she fantastic? I don't think it matters what happens. That's the story they'll run. So I think although a lot of people will watch it, I think they'll be drawing their own conclusions rather than what the media is saying. But it will have an impact. So I'm of two minds about this. It is likely to be the only
engagement they have. I don't think there'll be any seconds. I just feel that she's up them now, being absolutely force fed information, and there'll be rules. No giggling, no laughing, don't put on your silly face, try and look sensible and restrained. I mean, it'll be all this sort of thing. It's like a kid trying to cram for the exam and retain as much information you can, knowing you'll never remember much of it after the exact because there.
Were pots that she asked to have notes taken in exaccurate but that was reported and that request was denied. Caleb, of course, you know Trump is going to have to make sure that he has his messages more targeted to Kamala Harris, because he has struggled to reframe his campaign after Biden left.
That is true, and of course if you look at the last debate, there was very little policy substance at all. It was purely a personality thing because the objective for Trump was to show Biden up as the wally that he was. And someone argued that's perhaps what the Democrats wanted to do in the first place, did to move him on and have him replaced. That was the opportunity
to show the world exactly how bad he was. And so Kamala has to be very careful tomorrow not to veer into the word salad territory, because that's where she could sort of go down the same road as Biden and look totally weak. But you will not see I don't think tomorrow much policy substance at all. You never get them out of the debates. It devolves purely into personality, and on that count Trump can usually win. It will all depend on how badly Kamala can perform, and will
go further into this on the late debate tonight. But she has actually had a Trump impersonator hold up in a hotel room with her that has been lit up with stage lights as though she were actually doing debait, debating the bloke to see whether she can do it up against Trump. Now, that is extraordinary. I mean, you can't imagine Donald Trump in a room with someone pretending to be Kamala.
Arris well, apart from the theatric so of it, but that is normal campaign prep though, to have us to have other people throwings at you at one hundred percent, not.
Someone who's in personal Donald Trump, surely.
I don't think about unusual. They want to be prepared. Look just quickly before we go. It's been revealed today that Penny Wang has welcomed uk PM Keir Starmer's decision to suspend arms expots to Israel. Pennywong told The Guardian that Australia is working with partners including the UK, to put pressure to see a real change in the situation in Gaza. I mean run when God forbid. You know, Australia should support Israel as it moves to fend off terrorists.
Penny Wong is a disgrace, an absolute disgrace. At every turn she has turned on Israel. She is trying her hardest to appeal to those Western Sydney seats to try and look after the people who are there. Penny Wong came from a country, Malaysia, where there were dreadful race rights.
Did she not learn that to promote this sort of hatred that is coming out of the lack of leadership from this labor government to stop and to say that there is no place in this country for Hamas and for the supporters of hamas, and.
Say harmask can have no role in the future governing of Gaza.
But there's meaning us she does this.
She has also you know a lot of criticism for.
Israel kla correct and I mean if you look at women to have orucus, we're meant to be in lockstep the US. The UK and Australia lockstep when it comes to defense. The US has criticized privately the UK for doing this and has told them not to go ahead with this weapon sale band to Israel. I'll note that we haven't sold weapons to Israel for five years. But if we as an out enough for us, well, lady correct. But if ucas as an outfit cannot agree on things as simple as this, I think it bodes badly for
us going forward. We should be in lockstep. You've got a left wing government in the UK now cooperating with a le wing government in Australia. Even the left wing government in the US is not on board.
Yeah, very yeah, exactly, very concerning. All right, Calebine, We'll see you ten o'clock, Bronwin, thank you so much. Now. The Teals have been desperate to present themselves as independent, but according to new research, they've been voting with the Radical Greens most of the time. The parliamentary research published by Jeff Chambers and the Odds Today shows that the seven Teal MPs voted with the Greens between seventy three and eighty one percent of the time since the last election.
And here's how that individual breakdown looks. So this is on substantive bills which, if pass became law. Zoey Daniel voted with the Greens eighty one percent of the time, Sophie Scamps eighty percent, Minique Ryan seventy eight percent, Zalie Steggles seventy six percent, Kylie Tink seventy six, Allegraspender seventy four percent of the time and Kate Cheney seventy three. And the research shows Parliament true research that the group of seven tials mostly voted together as a pack and
they voted the same way eighty three percent of the time. Now, the current Albanzi government is a far left labor party, as I said, unlike the moderate labor governments in New South Wales and South Australia. But even Albanezi has called the Greens extremists.
It is unacceptable that misinformation has been consciously and deliberately spread by some Green senators and mpeace. He have engaged in this in demonstrations outside offices and online that includes knowingly misrepresenting motions that are moved in this Parliament.
Joining me now to discuss is the Manager of Opposition Business Paul Fletcher pol thanks for your time. Look, can you explains can you explain what this means if the Teals are voting alongside the Greens around seventy percent of the time.
Well, this research is very significant because it is based on an analysis of the Teals voting record in now more than two years of the Federal Parliament. And what it finds is that on the substantive bills, so a second reading or a third reading vote on a bill, if you add all of those up, then up to eighty one percent of the time a Teal MP is voting with the Greens. And so this is I think a very significant finding if we look at some of
the instances where this occurred. For example, there was an attempt by the Greens to move emotion or have the Parliament pass the motion shortly after the appalling terrorist attack in Israel, which would have criticized Israel and would have accused it of war crimes and of an illegal occupation of Gaza. Now Sophie Scomps and Kylie Tink, two of
the Teals, voted with that attempted Green's motion. Earlier this year, there was a motion moved by the Greens by Adam Band which would have taken the proposed super profit tax so called superprofit tax on gas proposed by the government doubled it and the Teals supported that motion. So I think many of the people who voted for the Teals would be quite surprised to find that they are voting with the extreme radical Greens as often as they are.
Well, the Teals do mostly pose a threat to the Liberal Party, not to Labor. Realistically, do you expect the Liberals will be able to win any seats back from the Teals at the next election, and if so which.
Well?
Our focus will be on communicating to the Australian people and whichever electorate they happen to live that First of all, we are facing an economic tailspin under this government. We've seen real incomes drop by close to ten percent. Of course, we've seen inflation sticking in persistent. This government has no
idea what to do about it. So our proposition to voters in whichever seat you're in, whether it's a seat currently represented by a TLMP, a Labor MP, whoever it might be, our proposition will be that the coalition, the Liberal and National Parties have the experience and the capacity to deliver the capable economic management that we need so that Australians can start to feel better off again, because at the moment, nobody feels better off compared to two
and a half years ago, and that's going to be the case. I'd suggest you wherever in Australia you live, whichever electorate you're in.
But do you think there are any realistic propositions of the Liberals winning back seats from the tills? I mean, what do you think about Allegraspander in Wentworth? Do you think there's a chance there for the Liberals? Which other seats are win a book?
Well, I think what we need to do, and indeed what we are doing is getting capable candidates in the field Ronox and Wentworth for example, working very hard, Amelia Hamer and Koyong and a range of other candidates, Tim Wilson and Goldstein working hard making the case to voters in those electorates that the Liberal and National Government has the right experience and capabilities to turn round this economic tail spin that Australia is in at the moment, and
so that'll be our focus. These will be decisions for the Australian people. But it is important I think that people understand if they have a till member of Parliament right now that the Tells Party is voting with the Greens part between seventy six and eighty one percent of the time on those emotions on substantive bills, and so
the Australian people will make up their own mind. But it's important that they understand the true character of all of the candidates that they're considering when it comes time for the next election.
Right Paul Fletcher, really appreciate your time now still to come. The irresponsible and dangerous claims of Clementine Ford Well, Brendan O'Neil would tear her and countersul and apart. He's on the show a bit later. Plus the rising threat of independent Muslim candidates sees the launch of a new group aimed at keeping top labor ministers like Tony Burke in their jobs. Jamal Riffi would join me to talk about his rival group and why he wants Burke to stay
in the job. That's right after the break welcome back. Well. Labor hasn't been particularly supportive of Israel since it was attacked by terrorists on October se That's to say the least. The decision today to back. The UK's export bound of arms by Penny Wong is just the latest hostile move and part of the reason is the Muslim population in Western Sydney. Seats held by labor ministers Tony Burke, Jason
Clair and Chris Bowen. There's quite an accurate line from a refugee advocate and a Herald article today that points to this. Refugee advocate Jane Salmon says Tony Burke is being forced to walk a fascinating line in Western Sydney where he's got to look supportive of refugees, particularly people from Palestine, while at the same time trying to be
Durham light on borders. And it's so true. Tony Burke wants to present himself as an immigration minister who's just as tough as Peter Dutton, but he's also trying to appeal to his constituents.
Well.
Tony Burke and his labor mates are now facing a challenge to their seats from community based Muslim can credidates and grassroots organizations well. In response to this movement, Anti Israel figure Bob Carr is supporting a Friends of Burke group now. The group has been set up by prominent Islamic community leader who's highly respected, doctor Jamal Riffi to try to help Tony Burke and Jason Clare keep their jobs, and Jamal Riffi joins me. Now, Jamal, welcome again to
the program. Can you tell us why have you set up this group to support Tony.
Burke and others Aveland Tony Burt for over twenty years since he represented us in the seat of Watson, and I know his caliber as a person and also as a minister. When he was appointed the Immigration and the Home Afield Minister, I consulted with so many friends Watson and we felt that he wouldn't have time to actually conduct a proper campaign need for the next federal election.
And we've decided collectively that we should do over part because we know that he represented us very well in the last twenty years, and we also know that there is right now he needs all the help that we can get because there is a lot of rumors and misinformations out there label him, labeling him for what he
is not. Actually, we know that he is not the way they're labeling him, and we thought it was actually we should play over part, and we are entitled to do whatever they say, but we need to set the records straight and will also help him and in the process we have one campaign which is friends of Burke, but over Aim our two seat as you've said Watson and Blacksnan.
And what concerns do you have about the faith based Muslim groups that are active in these marginal seats.
And principle we are not a Muslim organization or a grassroots movement. I have consulted with Muslims, Christians, and we have amongst us also people from the Jewish faith and also from the Buddhists and non faith people. What the common ass is over Aim is to help to correct the misinformation and get supporter over local MPs and Jason Clear and Tony Burke. What other people are doing to be honest, are you know for them to talk about it?
But we felt that they have labeled Jason and Tony as weak on Palistine mainly, and we felt that they are not weak on Palistine because we know the policy that actually a Labor party put out there and there are not weak. And also they are friends of the community and they are entitled to be defended. And we know that any candidate should take every election very seriously and we fell Zoo's candidate would not have time to
run a good campaign. I drop a campaign, and we wanted to help doctor Riffie.
There have been reports in the City Morning Herald and on Sky News that the doctor running against Tony Burke, his name is Zad bass Uni, shared social media posts that appeared to support the October seven terror attacks. What's your view on Zad sharing social media social media posts that do support these terror attacks? Solie.
When we actually made over friends of Bert movement, we knew that his Tony Burke is going to have some opposition. We didn't know who that opposition was. When doctor Bassijuni actually put him himself forward, then it becomes known to us that he's also supported by the Muslims vote. We are against the Muslims vote and principle because we don't agree with face based parties. And I've known doctor Zia
Basioni for a while. We are general practitioners together and we did a lot of work during COVID and before that. Now I have no doubt he does not support what Hamas did, like myself, because he also wouldn't support anyone
killing civilians. So I'm not sure, I haven't seen what he put at that post, but we have no doubt whatever it was, it would not reflect him or myself and it does not reflect the majority of the Australian Muslims point of view in Australia because we don't condone killing of civilian Well, he.
Did just to reiterate that point. I mean, this is the City Morning Herald report and they showed the image that he did share social media posts containing an illustration of a throwing protester and a machine gun wielding paragliber This is just on October twelve, so five days after the terror attacks, and the caption was dreams my friend come true for those who seek and work to see them come true. And as we know, Hamas militants, Hamas
terrorists use paragliders to breach the border into Israel. On October seven, he shared those. He didn't comment when The Herald went to him for comment. But do you think it would be dangerous having a politician in Canberra who had shared social media posts that appear to support the terror attacks.
Look overpopulation would know which politician would represent their review and they will voart them in. People who have extreme review or who condone these movements that will not be voted in without any doubt in.
My view, Doctor Revi. Just finally, you know we are seeing a rise in anti Semitism in Australia. Are you worried about this? You've done a lot of work into faith work in the past.
Without an out anti semitism and anti Islamophobia, it will impact negatively on over unity as a nation. And also I've always said that diversity is important, but unity in diversity it's much more important. And what I have seen right now, unfortunately it does not reflect the majority of Australian population, but that are minority who are targeting people of the Islamic face and the Jewish face, and that is very unfair and also an impact on over social cohesion.
We're definitely looking forward for the Anti Semitism's Invoid to do her work and hopefully there will be also an anti Islamophobia envoid because I know that the government is still searching right now.
Well, I just wanted to actually ask you about that because they were meant to be announced at the same time at Anti Semitism and Anti Islamophobia Envoy. But I hear you say the government's still searching for someone. I hear that the government hasn't been able to find any want to do that islamophobia role. Why would that be?
No, I'm sure that there are plenty amongst us that actually are quite capable of.
Doing the job.
Unfortunately, there will be some other priorities. And I know some people that put their hands up and there were discussing with them the ins and out of the position. And unfortunately some of these people they had family commitment, work commitment, not because they are against the idea, but just because they couldn't do it themselves.
Okay, just quickly before you go, we've seen hate preachers spreading dangerous messages. Do you think they should be charged under race hate laws? In the interest of social cohesion?
Without any doubt, I reckon we are all well served with our current law and legislation and if they can act within that the law and the legislations, they should act on it. And if they are not and they need more legislations, they will discuss it. Was over politician and decision makers. I feel that we shouldn't silence people. They will have their opinion, they can actually express it because it's important for generation to be exposed to all these ideas, so surely.
Discussion anti American and hateful.
No, no, no, no, definitely not not to that extent. And look, there is preachers in the Muslims community. To be honest, they have no impact whatsoever because throughout the years we always discuss the existence of these opinion and ideas and we tell them why we shouldn't follow them, and we give them also some resources so they can not to be impressionate about it. Unfortunately, there will always be some people who have some mental issue, physical issue,
psychological issue who's impressionate and the impact on them. But zar very handful, very handful, to be honest.
All right, doctor Jamal Riffie, really appreciate your time once again, thank you. Now after the break, a comment by so called feminist Clementine Ford discrediting the murder of six Israeli hostages will leave you speechless. Plus the Prime Minister accused of igniting a class war. Why a major lobby group is coming after him. That's with my political panel next, welcome back. Well, let's bring in now tonight's political panel, National Z MP Keith Pitt and Labor MP Daniel Malino.
Welcome to you both. We've seen a lot of criticism of the RBA. We're now seeing the coalition back away from the move to overhaul the RBA board. Keith Pitt, What are the coalition's concerns over this? I mean Angus Taylor today said that it could give the government the opportunity to stack the board. What do you mean by that?
Well, I think that's very clear.
Like every other board with this federal labor government, they tend to get union representatives on board. The RBA has to maintain its independence. It is incredibly important that they can set the interest rate without political interference because that is what controls inflation. And it is inflation that is out of control and causing the most damage. At the moment, everyone I know they are struggling to live shari and it's because of the massive increases in costs now.
Interest rates are a part of that. If you have a.
Mortgage, but nothing hurts you more than not being able to pay your food bill, your electricity bill, and everything else associated with your everyday life.
And that is what's doing the damage.
And yet we've got a treasurer he wants to get in a fight with everything but inflation.
Daniel Molina what's your response to Angus Taylor's claim today that labor could then stack the RBA board with as Keith just said, union operatives.
Well, you won't be surprised to hear that.
I disagree with both Keith and Angus's analysis. Look, the reforms that are being put to the Parliament really based upon a review that was very well received, that was run by international experts and domestic experts. It was a series of recommendations that were eminently sensible, and the recommendations that have been acted on to date have strengthened the board, moving from monthly to six weekly meetings, moving to a stronger and more transparent communications regime.
Now when it comes to moving.
Towards a board that is separately set up to look at interest rate decisions and a board that runs the bank, the RBA itself has said that there is merit in having some continuity in the people who move across to the new board that runs the bank, and there is merit in having external experts come on to the new
board that will set monetary policy decisions. So really, I think what we're really seeing here is as Taylor opposing moves that the Treasurer has been consulting him on over the last several months, trying to find common ground wherever possibly reasonably possible, because Angus Taylor sees wrecking at this stage as being the best political strategy. What the Treasure is put forward is eminently sensible and would have strengthened the bank.
Let's have a look at the furious farmers who turned up to Parliament House today protesting the government's live sheep expot ban, Keith. They were very angry they turned up to Parliament. Obviously the Coalition has already promised to overturn this ban. Do you think the government should be looking at this now?
Well, let's look at what's happening to them, Shari. They're going to lose their business, they lose their farms, they lose their houses, they lose their jobs. And why because you have a federal labor government who has made an ideological decision to shut down an industry which is lawful, there's nothing wrong with it. In fact, it's been a great mainstay in Western Australia for a long period of time, and why shouldn't they be able to keep their jobs.
So if you want to keep the sheep, you should scrap labor. If you want to keep the sheep, reject labor. If you want to keep the shape, stop barting for labor. And this is the tip of the iceberg.
What is next? Which industry is next? And the answer is we just don't know.
Daniel, what's your response to this anger by farmers over the live xpot man.
Well, so this was a policy that we've taken to the last two elections. It's a policy based on primarily animal welfare and would bring us into alignment with best practice. Look, what I'd say is I really feel for people who are adversely affected by policy, whether it's this one or there's any number of policies that governments take whichever side is in power that can adversely affect individuals.
So that's why it's important that there's a.
Compensation package in place that was widely consulted on. What I'd also say is that the live exports part of this industry has been in decline for a long time. I think it's reduced by ninety percent since the turn of the century. It declined significantly under the previous government
for the decade they are in power. We need to help these farmers to pivot to a different part of the sector and not pretend that we can continue with this part of the sector which has been declining for a long time.
All Right, we've got to go where out of time. Daniel Malin o'keith Pitt really appreciate it. Thanks now. Coming up disgraceful comment by radical activists Clementine Ford and why the left and right, the far left and far right have fallen into bigotry. Intellectual thought leader Brendon O'Neil joins us next. Well, the fraudulent feminist at Clementine Ford has outrageously claimed that six Israeli hostages weren't killed by Hamas. On social media, she wrote, I don't for a second
believe that her mass executed the hostages. Israel's desperation stinks. Just to be clear, Hamas did execute those young men and women in cold blood. But what's even worse is that Clementine Ford is still continually invited to speak at prestigious forums like the Opera House and writer As festivals. The literary elite in this country don't seem to care about her callous, insensitive and offensive views, but Brendan O'Neil does.
He's written an article comparing Clementine Ford to America's right wing conspiracy theorist Candice Owens, and I'm pleased to say Spiked Onlines chief political writer joins us Now, Brendan, great to see you again. Look what do this pair, unlikely pair have in common.
Well, the main thing they have in common is just an obsession with Israel and an obsessive hatred for Israel. It's really really weird and unsettling to see that someone on the hard right like Candice Owens can have so much in common with someone on the hard left like Clementine. But they really do have a lot in common when it comes to the Israel question. You know, when you look at Clementine Ford's comment about her mass not killing
those hostages, it's really depraved. Actually. Number one, they did kill them, as you say, and they've said they killed them, they've admitted it. But then you also think to yourself, you know, this is a woman. She comes from a left, the kind of Melbourne left that claims to be anti fascist, and yet now she's making excuses for a fascist movement. She claims to be a feminist, she claims to care about women, but she said nothing about the rape and
murder of Israeli women on seventh of October. In fact, lots of the left in Australia and across the West has either said nothing about the persecution of those Jewish women or have even denied that it happened. So I think Clementine Ford is a good example of how the left has completely lost the plot and completely exposed its own bigotry since seventh of October and.
Matt Shorlee by the fire Right and the lunacy of the fire right.
Yeah, absolutely, we can see now that the far left and the far right have come together in a kind of pincer movement with Israel and the Jews as their target. And it really does show you what happens when you fall down the into the cesspit of conspiracy theory, when you become convinced that the Jewish state is the source of all evil and instability in the world, you end up going mad, you end up adhering to very bigoted, ugly views. And that's what's happened on both the right,
sections of the right and sections of the left. And I think Candy Zones and Clementine Ford sadly sum up this situation very well and I think sensible voices on both the left and the right they're still there. They need to come together and say no, we're not going along with this. We've had enough of it.
Yeah, and look, that's what I tried to do just tonight. I had a leading Islamic figure on the show who's against a lot of the hatred that we're seeing, even though we would clearly not agree on the question of you know, Middle East. And Now, before you go, Brendan, I want to ask you about the big presidential debate tomorrow. What are you expecting when Kamala Harrison Donald Trump go head to head.
Well, I'm looking forward to it, I have to say. I think Kamala Harris has hidden away for far too long from the media, from press conferences. She's only given one interview and that was to see it and n who gave her a very easy ride. I think she's in for a tough time in this debate. Donald Trump is a seasoned speaker, he loves talking to the media, he loves running rings around people, and she's not very practiced and sometimes not very good, so she could be
in for a rough ride. I think Trump might actually do her some damage, but we'll have to wait and see.
I think yeah, And of course that's going to be eleven o'clock tomorrow. Brendan O'Neil. Always love having you on the show. Thank you so much for your time, and so don't miss the program tomorrow night at eight o'clock. We'll have all the analysis from Donald Trump and Kamala Harris. Well, the polls could be looking very different after tomorrow debate. We'll see. Thank you so much for your company tonight, see you tomorrow. And right now he's Paul Murray