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This is Sharry Good Evening massive show tonight, breaking news that a woman from Gaza brought into Australia last year has been detained in dawn raids and deemed a security risk by AZIO. This unfolding story in a moment. Can Australians trust labor to back today's plan to combat anti Semitism? Jillian Siegel joins me live on the show tonight. SODA's shadow Attorney General Julian Lisa. Also on the show, Treasurer
Jim Chalmers seeking special powers to tax more people. That's according to economics correspondent Matt Cranston.
He has the details.
Plus, is Wimbledon not exciting enough for star actor Hugh Grant. It's all coming up for first tonight. Today's landmark anti Semitism report from special En Jillian Siegel has recommended stripping funding from universities which spread anti Semitism and working with
the public broadcasters to promote social cohesion. It has nine of the fifteen recommendations from our Sky News Anti Semitism Summit, including screening immigrants for anti Semitic views, stripping arts bodies and festivals of government grants if they condone hate and embedding anti Semitism in the school curriculum.
The plan is not about special treatment for one community. It is about restoring equal treatment. And the plan's not about words. It is about actions by government, by regulators, by business, by universities, and by institutions.
Alban Easy today welcomed this report, said he'd engage with it, but he stopped short of endorsing it. In fact, he didn't explicitly support a single recommendation, and he brushed off questions.
About what he did commit to.
Albanizi would only say that he'd consider them carefully.
Will now carefully consider the report recommendation. There's a number of things in here that we are doing as a number of things can be implemented quickly. There are a number of things that will require work over a period of time.
And he never did say what the things are that he feels can be implemented quickly. He could have also said that he endorsed Julian Siegel's plan and would support its implementation, but he didn't say that. But his comments are at least an improvement from his position after our Anti Semitism summit, when he refused to consider any of the recommendations we put forward, now he officially has to
consider them. Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke was also specifically asked if these recommendations would be put in place within the year, and he was noncommittal.
When we talk about funding being withdrawn over anti semitism, can we see that happening to arts bodies universities within the year.
There are these issues get taken into account in different ways already by Creative Australia, and there are different principles that are expected in the cultural policy that already go to some of this. So to say will you see examples of it within a year, I think you will be able to. If you go back, you'll find we don't announce the ones we don't fund if I put it in those terms.
So as you heard there, Tony Burke said, Creative Australia was already taking anti Semitism into account. But this can't possibly be true with the organizations that employ the hate preachers all receiving ongoing funding. I've done entire programs reports on this problem.
So if Tony.
Burke's attitude is that they're already doing this, well, I have little hope their responses today, we're far from ideal again. Neither the Prime Minister nor Tony Burke have committed to implementing Jillian Siegel's recommendations, and Jewish leaders today including Alex Ripchen, Colin Rubinstein and Jeremy Liebler, all said that this report has to be met with comprehensive action and enforcement.
Prime Minister is correct in saying that it's not merely for him to implement, but at the same time, the federal government has a key role to play, both in terms of implementing the sections that are for it to implement, but also setting a tone throughout society, state governments, various institutions to basically set the tone and lead and say, this is the plan to rescue our country from the scourge of racism Director Jewish Australians, that is titush our
intationally im into this fracturing our society, that is diminishing our democracy in our freedoms and set that expectation. I think that's critical and.
That's exactly right.
The Prime Minister needs to endorse this report, give it the authority so that university leaders, state governments and cultural institutions get on board and make the required changes. The Israeli ambassador and me and Maimon also echoed this sentiment. He said the real test now lies in swift and effective implementation. And by the way, Opposition leader Susan Lee hasn't committed to this report either giving the same line as Albanezi or a similar line that shall take the
time to go through the report. I'll ask Julian Lisa about this when he's on the show a bit later, but I know I can tell you that Peter Dutton would have read it and immediately committed to it. The Coalition under Dutton, including James Patterson in the senior policy leadership role, wholeheartedly committed to our summit outcomes.
But it's not all bad news.
Were some positives from today's press conference. Albinisi and Burke spoke more forcefully about anti Semitism than they have in the past.
This is something that government needs to work with civil society on at all levels and each and every day, and every week, and every month and every year to make sure that any Semitism is pushed to the margins, to the fringes of extremism where it doesn't belong.
And he also spoke about the pro Palestinian protesters who crashed the Melbourne restaurant on Friday night, and albin Esi described it as criminal behavior.
I saw on the ABC the other night a woman who participated in the trashing and violence that occurred at the restaurant in Melbourne justifying that, justifying it. There is no justification for that whatsoever. And what's more, the idea that somehow the cause of justice for Palestinians is advanced by behavior like that is not only delusional, it is destructive.
And I was surprised to see Tony Burke also speak strongly about anti Semitism. He spoke about how Jewish arts workers shouldn't have to worry about being canceled by a venue, or about graffiti attacks and Jewish school uniforms.
Here he was we want people to be safe and to feel safe. Being safe and feeling safe is something which antisemitism flies in the face of. And while we might think of this only in terms of some of the more dramatic violent incidents which we've seen, feeling safe and being safe goes deeper than that.
So this is great, But the question is why the sudden change in tone and can we trust that they're going to act now?
Which is the crucial point.
Now, there was only one decent question at today's press conference, and it came from the Jewish news journalist Carli Adno, and she raised this point precisely, said.
The Jewish community has been experiencing these anti Semitic attacks for closity years.
Now, why is it, Why is it.
That it took another arson attack on a synagogue to adopt some of.
These Well, it didn't. It's the answer to that.
It didn't.
Well, good on Carly for asking that in important question. Albanizi was defensive and Julian Siegul stepped in to defend him.
But this is the point.
Albanizi has done nothing but sit back and watch as hatred fested under his leadership. He's made our country a dangerous and unsafe place and.
It's utterly unforgivable.
And of course, Albinizi couldn't let the press conference go without taking some more digs at Israel.
And regarding legitimate criticism of Israel. As you'd be aware, I have released statements with other leaders that have been critical of the actions of the net Yahoo government. I will continue to put forward a position that is consistent with the position that we have taken on the Middle East. But you can put forward those views respectfully.
And his only criticism of the Palestinians was not that they voted for Hamas or that some took part in the October seven attacks, just that the Palestinian authority hasn't had elections.
Criticism of Israel is legitimate, as is criticism of the Palestinian authority and their failure to have democratic elections and some of the corruption that has occurred.
He didn't even criticize the Palestinian authority for funding terrorism. It has, as you probably know, a pay for sleigh policy. This means they give a salary to the families of martyrs terrorists for life. This is an official government policy that supports pays.
For terrorism against Israel.
But back to the Anti Semitism Plan, it is a strong report and the bulk of our sky News Anti Semitism Summit outcomes are included within a plan. In fact, nine of our fifteen outcomes are included in today's report, and they are a permanent policing cooperation between state and federal governments to investigate threats and incidents and links to terrorism,
embedding Holocaust and antisemitism education in the curriculum. A judicial inquiry into antisemitism on campus, although Jullian Siegel says she'll wait for the end.
Of the year to see if this is needed.
The investigation and disclosure of foreign funding to universities which might drive extremist ideologies. Government grants to festivals and cultural institutions should have terms of conditions that the recipient doesn't promote, facilitate, or deal or promote facilitate antisemitism, and that they also deal effectively with it. Remove the deductible gift recipient status from any charitable institution that promotes speakers or.
Engagers in anti semotism.
Also screen visa applicants for antisemitic views or affiliations, and ensure that the Migration Act effectively facilitates visa refusals or cancelations for antisemitic conduct, and retric antisemitism training for those who are involved in processing the visa applications to make sure they can assess antisemitism. Encourage Australian cultural institutions like festivals to re engage with Jewish creatives and members of the community. And those are the nine that crossed over
with our report. Now Jillian Siegel's report states that if threats escalate, she'd recommend emergency coordination measures, including a standing joint Task FORSS and potential national security declarations. And this was the first recommendation from Alex Ripchen's list at our summit, to declare a national emergency and establish a joint counter Terror Task FORSS to mobilize all the relevant agencies to gather in the fight against this hate before we have a major.
Terror attack in the country.
But Jillian Siegul's report goes further with some new ideas bold ideas. She wants to work with platforms to reduce the presence or influence of bots that deliberately soew social discord and to reduce the reach of those who pedal hate behind a veil of anonymity, So that's a social
media recommendation. She also says she'll work with the publicly funded broadcasters, the ABC and SBS to encourage them to develop programs that add to social cohesion, and the one that's generated all the headlines today, she suggested withholding government funding from universities, programs or individuals within universities that facilitate, enable, or fail to act against anti semitism and as you know, that was what United States President Donald Trump has done.
He's stripped funding from the likes of Harvard Universe. Now I fully support this idea. We didn't suggest such a move at our summit because it's unrealistic to think that Albanezi would actually implement it.
I mean, there's no world in which.
The Prime Minister, who hasn't lifted a finger to deal with the rampant anti Semitism at campuses, which has been going on for nearly two years now, is suddenly going to strip them of their funding over due hatred. You'll never do it. He's no Donald Trump. Unfortunately. My only criticism with the report. I think it's an excellent report. I commend Jillian Siegel for it. My only criticism with it is that Siegel has worded many of the recommendations so that the onus is on the envoy to implement
them rather than the government or the institutions alone. It's an ambitious and strong document, as Jillian Siegel says.
And it's not a symbolic document. It's an action plan, and it addresses antisemitism in many places in our laws, classrooms, universities, media workplaces, online spaces, and public institutions, and it calls on government and society or leaders to support the initiatives.
So she deals with anti Semitism in many different spaces, but she puts the onus on herself to solve the problem, to work with the social media companies, for example, instead of saying this is what's needed and then allowing the relevant minister to work with the social media companies.
And in my view it's.
Objectively far too much work for one individual and her team, and it would be more successful if the objectives were not all the sole responsibility of the envoy.
Or Jewish groups to implement.
And yes, it is Seagel's report, but Albinizi says she's his advisor on anti Semitism and this is the blueprint, this is the action plan the federal government is working from. So there should be more onus on specifically what it can do, independently of her involvement. Because this is an urgent crisis. We need immediate action, we need it yesterday.
And I'm worried the Prime Minister will use this report as cover when the next violent attack happens, as we know it will, Albanezi will simply say he's working with the Envoy on the Anti Semitism Action Plan, and right now it's all smoke and mirrors. He's had the report for a full week before today's press conference, yet he still couldn't bring himself to commit to a single idea in it. How much longer must Jews weight to feel safe,
Prime Minister? How many more attacks and abuse must Jews suffer? When when Prime Minister, will you finally do the right thing? And just to add to that, neither Alban Easy or Tony Burke would come on my show tonight or any night, despite the fact that this is about anti Semitism and I'm the only Jewish television news host in the country. Now a massive show tonight, Julian Siegel, the Special Envoy coming up, plus shadow at Toney, General Julian Lisa later
this hour, and Economics correspondent Matt Cranston. But first, let's get to this breaking news about the woman from Gaza who's been detained in dawn raids today. For more, let's bring in National Senator Matt Canavan and Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis.
Welcome to you both. Now, this raid, this.
Woman being detained, has prompted a snap rally outside Tony Burke's office tonight. She's a sixty one year old woman from Gaza. Her home is in western Sydney. She was raided this morning. She's been deemed a security reesk under character grounds by AZO. This is according to the Daily Telegraph, which broke this story just a little while ago. James, starting with you on this because you're at the paper that broke this story.
What more can you tell us?
Well, Sharry, there's a lot that we're still working through on this. But the story that's gone up this afternoon from Lachland Leaming and Tom Sargan, as you say, a sixty one year old grandmother from Gaza. There was a dawn rate at Bankstown by ASIO. She's been taken to Villawood Immigration Detention Center. The bridging visa canceled because of
failing the character test. What is what is alleged and there's basically a little bit more information that talks about the fact that this character that she did not pass this character test. Now what's interesting is, as we know there were a number of Palestinian people that were evacuated from Gaza and there were some snap visas provided. From what I can read and what we understand, we're not
sure if this lady is part of that. There's a suggestion that she was visiting people in Saudi Ray and then wasn't allowed to go back to Palestine after that or Gaza after that, So it's a tricky one. Asio are keeping quiet on this. But off the back of it, which I find very interesting is the fact that you have dozens of people that have gathered at Tony Burke's office. There's a big sign with what appears to be blood
on it. They were saying they were refusing to leave until this woman was released, saying she's done nothing wrong. So it's a very tense situation unfolding Sydney Southwest this afternoon.
And Matt Canavan, this was always going to be the issue with the government rushing through visas with limited security checks. We just don't know what level of security checks were done in this instance. We don't know what sort of visa she was given. The telegraphs reporting that she arrived here from Gaza though last year Tony Burke has said previously that he wouldn't send anyone back to Gaza. So this is now going to be very complicated for the government.
It probably will be Shari's. James has said, we don't really know all of the details of this specific case, but this general issue has been there since the government ram through the approval of a bunch of visas from people from Gaza. Now, on their own admission, they couldn't do the normal character tests on the ground. Obviously that couldn't happen in the middle of a war zone, and the government effectively imported a huge security risk to our country.
Now.
I feel for many of the people in Gaza that have had their lives turned upside down, some of them innocently, but we have to of course protect the security of our own country first, and when taking refugees, we have to have the ability to check and secure our interests. Now, as I say, I don't know enough about this case enough.
It's an example here, but clearly there was an importation of a risk and unnecessary risk last year the government presided over and I hope just now the government stays strong. If this is true, this person here is on a bridging visa. On a visa, the Australian government has every right to revoke that visa and return her, if possible, deport her from this country, just like we refuse Kanye West, We're refused Titating coming to this country. We control our borders.
We can also refuse an activist from the Middle East who may be a risk to the austrained people's safety.
The issue is, of course, that she's already here and it just makes it so complicated for what the government's going to do.
All right, let's turn to.
This exclusive story in the City Morning Herald that Australia could pay more for submarines under the Orchest deal. Now, James Patterson has said that the Albanese government needs to step.
In and take control of this Orcht review that's going on now.
James, the broad issue here is that Albanze could lose Orcus altogether because he's just not engaging successfully with the Trump administration.
Well, firstly, as we know, there's a lot to do on the relationship between the Albanese government and the Trump administration. We've heard the stories about Kevin Rubb this week. I think that is still a big problem. I note Barnaby Joyce's called force some hard action there and Trump to rud to be moved on. And I'm starting to think that if there is a problem there, then it needs to be addressed, and if it's impacting our relationship, then
something we'll have to give there eventually. On the wider issue, I'm not that concerned because I realized that, yes, this is a lot of money. We're talking about more than three hundred billion dollars, but because of the alliance, it's the kind of thing with defense defense things blow out. There's some concerns here initially that it might be one contribution as part of the plan, which works out to be about five billion dollars in regards to jobs or manufacturing.
So I'm not too concerned just yet, and I know these projects blow out, but the wider relationship is deeply problematic at the moment.
Matt it does seem like there are now rocky widers. As part of this story, it suggests that the US might also demand that Australia commit to using these submarines on America's side if there is a conflict with China.
What do you think about this, look.
I'd be concerned about such a provision, shar Area. I think we must maintain our own country sovereignty. Obviously, we have agreements with the United States that if they are attacked, our alloy is attacked, we are already committed to help defend them. We activated that after September eleventh. Obviously, the situation in Taiwan, though, is not US territory, and we'd be an additional obligation placed on Australia, so I'd be
wary about that. But this, to me does underline the fact that we have probably put way too much pressure and burden on the orcust agreement. I'd love to see us get those nuclear submarines. It is very important, But I think we've pursued that while and used that as a shield to avoid hard questions about why we aren't developing guided weapons, were developing cookbooks but not guided weapons,
why we're developing, why we're not developing drone technologies. All these other things have to be prioritized now, just for the case that we maybe orcast doesn't happen, we have to diversify our military prepared away from just one agreement.
Hmmm, No, one hundred percent agree with that.
Now.
Opposition leader Susan Lee has done a glam shoot with The Women's Weekly where she's spoken about what seems to be quite an unusual, maybe even far fetched story. She claims she was on the road in central New South Wales years ago, when she had pulled over for the night,
setting up her swag before a motorbike drove over. The story says that Lee said she then pulled out a semi automatic rifle bought legally from a Quibian gun shop and told the rider, I'm here with my tall, skinny mate, attributing the line to an unidentified movie from US action star Clint Eastward James, I don't know. I struggle to imagine a scenario in which a young woman would be setting up swag on the side of a road and then pull a gun out at someone.
It seems pretty unusual.
Well, let's take her on face value, and if it happened, it's amazing. If there's a bit of mayo on top, so be it. I find it very hard to believe she would make it up from nothing. But equally, if it did occur in the way that we did, and yes, she said it was a legally purchased gun, well then kudos to her.
She's pretty brave, and I have to say so far overall.
I think what's impressed people the most is that she is someone that, unlike a lot of people in Canberra that are career politicians. She's done things in her life, She's got a bit of life experience, she's had jobs outside of the public sector, and so so far she's been pretty good. But I you know, if in a court of law you want to see the tape to know if it was true once and for all. I think there's a bit of mayo on that story, is mine?
Matt, Yeah, what do you make of it?
Matt?
Oh, Look, I think this does happen, Shari. I mean, I spent time in a stock camp, and there are a lot of young women out there these days. In fact, the stock camp I was in was fifty to fifty. A lot of tough, tough jill rouse out there who would find themselves perhaps in those sort of situations. Look, so I'm not one to judge. I do think I agree with James that Susan has had a rich history. Look, ultimately, though, I think all these things are great, and she looks fantastic.
Probably a good thing. I wasn't made Nationals leader. I would not look as good in a glam photo shoot as Susan Lee. Good luck to it.
But we're going to get back.
To developing policies ultimately tell people are going to judgeus on what we're going to do for them, not these stories and all that stuff.
So no, true, it would be good.
And on that note, it would be good to hear about a few coalition policies because they have been non existent. In fact, I don't think we've had a single new policy from the coalition.
They've gone too far the other way and they're worried about making everyone happy and giving everyone a say, let's not making some calls you please, we need an opposition.
Yeah, Matt, you've got to fire them up. That's why you're on the backbench, so you can speak.
Out, all right.
Pok great in a photo shoot.
Yeah, and at the Women's Weekly they star you anyway, it'd be here, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
And there's like, you know, there's half truths in there and it sounds a true.
All right, thanks so much.
We can see you all right, Jillian Siegel coming up live in the show shortly. But now let's bring in the economics correspondent at The Australian, Matthew Cranston.
Matt, good to see you.
Now.
Trump is announced a massive two hundred percent import tax on foreign pharmaceutical goods.
Also on copper.
You've written an interesting piece in the OS today with that the chairman of the country's biggest drugs manufacturer in Australia says that the White House's concerns over the PBS are not actually unreasonable, And you're quoting the CSL chairman Brian mcnamie. He urged the Albanezi government to make the PBS more efficient and allow innovative American drugs into Australia faster.
Matthew talk us through the issues here and how Albanezy could give a little during the negotiations on this point.
Yeah, So Brian was making a point that higher tariffs are going to have a have be a problem for CSL, but he's thinking more broadly about the strategy, which is that if you just give a little and take a little on this, you could actually have a negotiation with Trump and find that he drops the tariff just with something small, for example, accelerating the PBS Pharmaceutical Benefit scheme to approve drugs from America faster, not giving away any
of the integrity, but just improving it and also just maybe thinking about the pricing mechanism on this as well, and his point was that for decades, the Americans have invested massively in drugs and got the innovation, and all these other countries have benefited from it. So it's sort of like a little bit like defense. A lot of countries benefit from America's investment and defense technology and its defense, and maybe it's the same with pharmaceuticals as well.
Matt, you were the first to start reporting on the unrealized capital gains tax plans, which no one seemed to know that was an actual plan of the Albanezy government when you were reporting on it. You've today reported in The Australian that the Treasurer is seeking special powers that would allow him to net more people with his planned
super tax hike without parliamentary approval. You're saying it's a little known clause in his bill to tax the unrealized capital gains of high value funds, and you've actually said it's known as the Henry the eighth clause.
Tell us what the plan is.
Well, yeah, this is amazing. I couldn't believe that this hadn't been touched on in the last three years. But I got a little tip off that someone would challenge this super tax plan in court, they would try and challenge it legally and part of it could be unconstitutional. So I went to some of Australia's top constan titutional lawyers and they both said, yeah, well, this is what's
called Henry the AIDH clause. Basically chari It's just they passed an Act of Parliament and then after they've passed it, the Treasurer can then go and tinker or change some of the parameters on the supertax afterwards without further parliamentary approval. So it's like amazing that this can actually happen.
I must say.
The Treasurer has defended this by saying, well, look, this is standard. This is pretty much what liberal governments did with some legislation before me. But the thing is these constitutional lawyers are saying, well no, actually the wording is very different and it allows you for wider powers afterwards. So this is really important because obviously Labor is trying to introduce an unrealized capital gains tax, which is just a tax on the appreciation of any.
Of your assets.
It's before you've sold it, and it starts at three million, but he can change that to make a two million or something. Else and that could net far, far more people in it. So we'll just have to wait and see, but I think that there could be some legal challenges coming for that one.
Fascinating and amazing reporting is always Matt. Thank you very much for joining us, and literally no one realized that was an issue until Matt started his journalism.
Now Jim Chalmers is.
Seeking Oh we've just covered that story. Apologies, all right, Still to calm the Albaneze government is under pressure to support today's anti semitism plan.
Jillian Siegel will join me live after the break that's coming up.
Welcome back with a wide ranging plan to tackle anti Semitism has today been unveiled after twenty one months of attacks on Jewish Australians, and I'm pleased to welcome Australia's Special Envoy to combat anti Semitism, Jillian Siegu. Jillian, thank you very much for joining us tonight, and a huge congratulations on today's thorough and thoughtful report. You've done extremely
hard work putting it all together. Are you disappointed the Prime Minister hasn't committed to any of the recommendations that you proposed.
Well, thank you, Shari, and thank you for all the wonderful work that you've been doing over this period. I think that the plan is mine and it was always going to be mine as the envoy, and there's a
lot of work for different parties to do. There's support I will need from the federal government, but also from state governments, also from leaders in society, leaders of cultural institutions, chancellors and vice chancellors at universities, and so I will be looking to the government, the federal government really the subject of your question, for.
Support where I need it.
I did not expect the government to say, well, this is something we full we support and will endorse and will act on, because not all of it is for them to act on. But we will take it step by step, and I'll certainly be you know, I'm not backward. I will be putting them to the task of supporting
me when I need federal government support. But I'll equally I'll be looking to state governments to support educational initiatives, and I'll be good looking to universities to continue what has been very cooperative stance from them in moving towards initiatives to combat antisemitism on campuses. So I'll be looking
for our whole society response, including government. But I think you know, as we go along, and as I said today when launching it with the Prime Minister, that I'll be reporting on it at the end of the first year, and if I haven't had cooperation from everyone whom I need to have cooperation from, I'll be calling it out.
But this is and I understand you will absolutely hold them to account in your report in a year's time, But this is, as you know, an urgent problem. Surely we don't have the time for the Prime Minister to slowly consider this, would.
You like him?
Or has he given you a time frame for when he'll come back and say whether he will endorse some of the recommendations that do fall in the Federal government's remit.
Well, I think obviously the Prime Minister's are off right now to China, but already there has been support. I just don't think that it's fair to say, look, there's no support indicated. The Education Minister has said he's really happy to look at education and he's agreed to convene the next meeting of all education ministers to have me speak to them. So there's work happening on education. I'm in touch with him and TEXA in relation to universities
and there's full cooperation there. That's a very big area of work. The other areas where I need engagement and work is in relation to Victoria and their task force that has been established and I would like to contribute to that. So you know, those are some of the areas where I think there'll be immediate action and certainly strong support to start talking about initiatives in the cultural
space with Minister Burke. So I'm hopeful of making progress every single day and that's what we've been working.
On over the last few months as well.
It's not just from today, it's just that we finally put it together in a strategic plan.
You said today that you'll look at whether it's necessary to strengthen hate crime legislation, including provisions relating to incitement and vilification. Don't we know by now that we desperately need stronger laws when community groups.
Like ECJ are left to deal with the hate preachers instead of the police.
Well, I think you know, we've seen a raft of new legislation and all of that's gone out for consultation and we have responded to it and put in our views and new legislation has been passed, some of it not as strong as we certainly advocated for, and some of it, you know, very good.
We have very good, you know, a.
Nazi symbol legislation and doxing legislation. But I agree, I think some of the legislation in relation to hatred needs to be strengthened. But the argument is that it's new legislation and it should be tested. And my point is you need strong laws, but you also need police to do the policing, and prosecutors to prosecute, and then judges
to sentence. So that's where I think there is a chain of you know, perhaps lack of understanding about what is anti Semitism, how it is this evil that eats weighed our society and that will undo us all if we don't push it to the margins. So my next series of initiatives that I've already started on but I need to continue working with others on, is to educate, educate the police, educate the prosecutors, and educate the judiciary. And not that they're uneducated, of course they're not, but
they haven't been exposed to understanding antisemitism. I think sufficiently they've had a lot of other training, but now it's time to consider what is antisemitism, how it should be dealt with, and how to recognize it.
I'm just keen to ask you about a couple of the other suggestions you put forward today. One of them is one that we also had at our Anti Semitism summit, revoking grants of funding for organizations that promote antisemitism, and of course taxpayer funds shouldn't be used to spread this hatred.
This demand's immediate action.
This is something the government can act on now if it agreed to it, isn't it Well?
I think it is, and I think there are a couple of test cases out there at the moment. We need to see about the funding of a you know, particular academic and her ARC grant, and I agree. I mean, that's one of the clear recommendations that funding should not be given to promote academic spreading hate or institutions spreading hate. But that's got to be done on a case by case basis. That's not a silver bullet where the government says this is a new law.
They've got those.
Powers in most grant documents and most other federal government contracts and it's a matter then of exercising them.
So it's certainly something will be focused on and.
You know, agitating for as the cases arise.
Just finally, you spoke briefly about the role of the public broadcasters in your report. What are your concerns with the media coverage of the ABC.
Well, I think that.
You know, the public broadcasters, again consistent with what we were just discussing, are using public money and they are very important vectors of cultural development in the country and we need to see them being very balanced and putting a case for a particular viewpoint and then in a
civil way the case the alternative case. And I've had a lot of feedback from members of the community, both the Jewish community and the non Jewish community that they don't see that what we see on the ABC is necessarily balanced, and so it's something that I want to look at and monitor and talk to the ABC about and see what we can do to ensure that the Australian public are getting a fair look at any issue
from both sides. And that is not to stop civil debate, and it's not to in any way restrict what journalists do, but it's to say, let's look at it from the different perspectives, because then we have a robust democracy and that's what we want in this country.
Yep.
Indeed, Julian Siegel, thank you so much for your time tonight, and once again it's admirable that you dedicate your life and your current role to thinking about and dealing with this crisis.
Thank you so much.
Well, thank you, thank you, Sharion, thank you. I have to thank you and and Sky for your summit, which was a very important opportunity to hear lots of different views and all had impact in putting the plan together.
So thank you really appreciate that. Thank you so much, Julian.
All right, still to calm high level meetings by Keir Starmer and Emmanuel mccron on Europe's migrant crisis. Hugh Grant has an expensive nap at Wimbledon, and I'll ask Julian Lisa if the Coalition will back the anti Semitism plan.
It's coming up.
Welcome back and joining us now is Shadow Attorney General Julian Lisa.
Julian, great to see you.
Look, let's start with the breaking news tonight that a woman from Gaza has been after concerns raised by Asio the Daily Telly reporting that she arrived from Gaza last year. Now, without making any comment about this individual, it's a statement of fact to say that Gaza is a terrorist hotspot controlled by her musk So, Julian, does the government need to be transparent about this and explain exactly what security processes it went through before this visa was issued.
Well, we've been very critical of the government for allowing people into Australia from the terrorist war zone, particularly the last term of Parliament, without adequate security checks, and there was several thousand people that the government granted tourist visas to without adequate security checks. I don't want to comment on this individual case, but it raises these questions that
I think the government has to handle. It's the first duty of government to keep Australian safe and we need to be very selective about who we let into this country. We particularly need to be we need to ensure that we're not letting people into this country that would do this country harm. The fact that a person has had an adverse security assessment and that they've been detained is something that the government will need to explain.
Indeed, now I want to turn to the anti Samitism report today. What's your view on Jillian Seagull's report you would have just heard her on the show and also the government's response to it.
Well, we welcome Jillian Seagulls report. It's a very good report. We've recommitted. I should say to the fifteen point plan that came from the Executive Council of Australian Jury through the sky New summit that you hosted, Charry, and that is clearly and you could hear it in Jillian's comments to you. It's clearly been highly influential in her report. But this report is an action plan for the Special Envoy.
It's not a commitment from government. And while you were right to say that the Prime Minister's language and his tone and Tony Burke's language in his tone today were
much better, none of it amounts to a commitment. We want to see the Prime Minister up the front helping lead the fight against anti Semitism, particularly when the Jewish community is telling us that Australia's reputation is such that we have become one of the world's hotspots for anti Semitism, given the number of fire bombings that we've had, the
number of anti Semitic incidents that we've taken. So we think it's all very well to listen to the anti semitism or envoy, but the Prime Minister needs to be up the front and he needs to commit to some of these actions.
And Julian, what about the coalition? Will the coalition support Julian Siegel's plan?
Well, first, as I said, we've recommitted to the fifteen point plan that came to the Sky News summit, and secondly, we've committed to hold the government's feet to the fire to implement these plans here. So we want to see the government committing to it. We're not in government in the next three years, but we want to make sure the government, the government goes ahead and implements Julian Seagal's plan.
So you therefore do agree you are supporting the plan.
We think this is the plan from the envoy and it's our job to hold the government to account to ensure that they are following her instructions.
All right, It just finally reports that Harmas has agreed to release ten hostages as part of these ongoing ceasefire talks. Nadignya, who's obviously been in Washington, but don't we need to see at this point all of the hostages released. If Israel is going to withdraw not a withdrawal just for half of the remaining living hostages.
Well, we've always been clear on this that there's only one way for the conflict to end, and that is for all the hostages to be released and for Hamas to play no further part in the future of Gaza. That's always been our view in relation to this. There's still forty nine hostages there, a number of them are dead. We want to see all the hostages returned home.
The US has also, and specifically Secretary of State Marc Rubio, has imposed sanctions on the United Nations. Francesca Albanesi. She's been not just the critic of Israel, but she's pushed inaccurate propaganda about Israel. Now Marco Rubio says that Albanesi is speaking about Francesca Albanesi.
I need to clarify again, not the Prime Minister.
Francesca Albanese's campaign of political and economic warfare against the United States and Israel will no longer be tolerated. We will always stand by our partners in their right to self defense. Julian this is a great move by the United States. Do you think Australia should consider this as well?
Well?
The United States has their own sanctions regime and it's a matter for them. But I can say what we won't be doing on the sanctions regime is following Anthony Albanesi's lead, which is to sanction people for public comments that they've made, as he sanctioned to Israeli cabinet ministers, which we don't think our sanctions regime was ever ever designed to ever designed for. So this is a matter for the United States on this particular regime.
All right, Julian Lisa, thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it.
And up next, Kiir Starmer and Emmanuel mccron look to tackle the migration crisis in Europe.
Plus Hugh Grant.
Was on the edge of the seat during Wimedon's men's quarterfinal Spiked Onlines. Tom Slater will joined me right after this. Welcome back in with us now is Spiked Online editor. Tom Slater, Great to see you. So now mccron has met with Kiir Starmer. They're collaborating on a policy to address Europe's migrant crisis. Tom, the world is changing if this left wing pair admit there's a migration crisis now.
Even that is a sign of progress compared to a couple of years ago. But lo and behold, the proposal that they come up with is barely really going to touch the sides. This was originally pitched to us as a one in one out deal, so if someone enters the UK across the English Channel illegally, they would be swapped out for a more legitimate asylum claim from France, thus trying to break the kind of business model of
the smuggling gangs. And yet what we're reading now in the French press and in the British press is that it's going to be a lot less ambitious than that. But one in every seventeen migrants you make the crossing will likely be returned, sending back only about fifty migrants per week, when given the fact that the numbers of illegal crossings are sky high at the moment, I mean, there's been forty four thousand who have made that perilous journey since Labour on the general election last July. I
think people are distinctly unimpressed by this. I mean, as you say, at least the debate and the Overton window has moved a little bit on this question, but the policies certainly aren't there to deal with it.
Yeah.
Indeed, obviously at one point the UK was looking to Australia for our own backs policy. But I suppose they're not quite at that point of turning back the boat.
So I mean that doesn't seem to be discussed at the moment.
No, not in the slightest and I think there's a big failure of political will. There's also a failure to look at how we're hammed strung legally by dint of our membership of the European Convention and Human Rights. Purely because that organization, that treaty has the word human rights in it. People are terrified. Politicians certainly are terrified of
going near it. But it's created a nonsensical and dangerous situation in which if people can run the gauntlet of smuggling gangs all across North Africa and into Europe, if they can take this perilous crossing, which is one of the busiest crossings in the world, if they get through all of that, then they might have a chance to get to the UK and work in the black market. I mean it's a situation that doesn't serve anyone particularly well.
But because of the fact that it might involve looking again at some of these post war agreements, they don't want to touch it.
Yeah, all right, Tom, I want to get to this hilarious footage of Hugh Grant falling asleep at the final quarter final at wimbled And so the match wasn't riveting enough for him.
It's seem apparently not.
I mean it is worth rememberen Hugh Grant, even though he doesn't look at it. Sixty four years of age, so you know, a nice day sat out in the sun, maybe a few glasses of champagne and some strawberries and cream. You're ready for a little sleep after that. It's just unfortunately in his case, he's going to be caught on.
Camera when the chairs just looked too uncomfortable to fall asleep.
But I definitely couldn't do it.
I mean there's you know, there's not a head rest, nothing, No exactly.
Let her out a snaw next to Camilla Parker bowls.
It's not an ideal situation.
She should have just wait, nudged him to wake him up. All right, Tom, Great, we'll see you and that's all.
We have time for tonight. Thank you so much for your company this week. My holidays are a bit mixed in match, so I'm actually taking next week off.
I'll be back in a couple of weeks. See you then. Stay safe, and here's Paul Murray and the Man Cave.