Episode 97: Until Death Do We NOT Part!

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On each episode will discuss the reasons we now know that our loved ones have survived physical depth and so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. When we think of going to a medium, we think of what we have modern day. You either visit somebody in person, or you're on zoom or on the phone with them, and they supply information about your deceased friend or loved one, breathing through specific information so that you know they are

still alive and well. However, mediumship wasn't always this way. If you've listened to some of the earlier episodes that I've done, mediumship actually started in the home. There were these things called home circles. People would get together and they would sing songs, and they would create this environment for spirit to show up. Very often, one of the members of this home circle would be able to either give messages or speak in a trance like state and

be the voice of a loved one coming through. It was really a popular thing back in the eighteen hundreds and beginning of the nineteen hundreds, and when so much wartime came about. There were lots of deaths, and of course people were looking for evidence of their loved ones. Far too many con men and women came along to cheat people out of their money, so a lot of

these home circles disappeared or they weren't publicized. Another part of home circles very often is what's called physical mediumship. Things would float around the room. People in complete darkness could feel the touch of their loved one. I know it all sounds a little spooky and a little far out there, but it was very normal occurrence. I have gone in search of physical mediumship because there are actually

a few people living today that possess this ability. One is Scott Milligan that you hear me talk about so often, and the other one I've witnessed is David Thompson. Neither time have I ever felt that anything was a con or a scam, very low cost to attend. Voices of loved ones seemed to come out of mid air and stuff happened. Oh I tell you, you'll have to go back to an earlier episode, and I'm happy to point

you in the direction for those. But I know that that form of mediumship, although very rare, is real, and if I hadn't have witnessed it myself, I might be saying something differently. Why I'm talking about this is there was a gentleman named Leslie Flint that walked the earth. He possessed the city to do these physical medium circles. However, he did not want any part of things moving around and him being knocked out, not really knocked out, but him being in a trance like state. So he made

this agreement with the spirit world. As long as he could stay awake, he was willing to be of service to people. There's a book by him called Voices in the Dark, My Life as a Medium. Leslie Flint is or was one of a kind because he would have people in these circles. The lights would be dimmed or off, and voices of people's loved ones would seem to come out of mid air. There's a website dedicated to him, which is Leslie Flint dot com, where there are thousands

of these recordings. People would attend to sitting with Leslie. He charged little to no money at all for this. People could have a conversation with her loved one. Again, always experimental, as in any kind of mediumship, so it didn't always work, but when they did work, they were extraordinary. He was one of the most tested mediums in all of the world. They would do things as put die in his mouth and some kind of liquid and tape his mouth shut, and these voices would still be heard.

And of course when they took the tape off, the dye in the liquids would still be in his mouth. There's so much you can read about him. And by the way, he was born in nineteen eleven and I believe he died in nine. There's a lady called Mary Beth span Bank that I had a great conversation with, and I want you to hear some of it. Her husband is in the afterlife. She had a relationship with him early on, and then years went by, they both

got married to other people, etcetera. They got back together, they spent eighteen months together, and he passed, so she wanted to know that he still exists. She's done a lot of research on Leslie Flint, and in this conversation she talks about it, and she brings up a husband and wife called the Nangis. The wife was in spirit and the husband lived and he would make these trips to visit Leslie Flint and have conversations with his wife. I'm getting goose bumps right now because I've heard some

of these conversations. So here's Mary Beth. Before I even worried about anything about death, I have been listening to Abraham Hicks. They always talk about the fact that there is no death. There is no death. We continue on, but they talk about it very broad brush strokes. And so I had that in the back of my mind that there is no death. I sort of knew that, but I didn't have to really think about it until Paul passed, and then I was desperate for where is he?

Where is he? And one time, not long a few days after he passed, I was at the thing brushing my teeth, and all of a sudden, I felt like a whoosh of a whoosh, a sensibility of Paul. And it wasn't a memory, you know. It wasn't like I was remembering that time we were to dinner, or that time that we went on the trip to Hawaii. It wasn't like that. It was just like whoosh, like oh wow.

But instantly, as my zoom room partner Murray would say, because he had that, everybody has had experience at one point or another, it instantly triggers the missing of them. So you get that, you get that love feeling, and then all that like within like one millionth of a second,

you're bursting into tears. But I liked that feeling, and so what I did was I began to notice when it happened more and more, and sometimes it would happen from a memory I purposed I would do a memory like we remember Paul or something we did together, and other times it would just be spontaneous. And I love the spontaneous ones because it didn't come from my at least my conscious awareness. So I began to, you know, notice that more and more and see different things, see

different signs from him. And one of the strongest signs I had from him was I couldn't remember the dress I had worn when we finally could be together, as he would say, street legal, I couldn't really, And I'm thinking, how can I forget what I wore? That must have been so I remember the day, I remember the moment. I can't remember what I wore. And I was visiting. I was from Michigan, visiting a friend on Long Island,

staying in a friend's home. And when I had moved to Michigan, I had given away a lot of my things, and I had given her a lot of my clothes. And I looked in her closet, actually I was in her spare bed woment. I looked in her closet to see if I could find, you know, the dress in question,

and I couldn't find it. And she said to me, Mary, be my son and his family are coming over there going on a trip for two weeks across the country, and they're coming over, so and in walks the family and the daughter, who is about thirteen, is wearing the dress because I had given her, my friend the dress. She had given it to her granddaughter and it was just a little sheath dress. And I was like, oh,

that said, there's the dress. The odds of me being there out of town, her family coming over at that moment they were going to go out of town for two weeks. The odds of the daughter, the granddaughter wearing the dress are so astronomical. It just took my breath away. And I have I have like a you know, a

book of those different things and things like that. The other thing I did though, in my travels is I found my way to Victor and Wendy sam It's Afterlife report, And in their report there was they all often put videos in that report, and there was a video and it said it was about a woman and a man who communicated across the vale. And I had never heard of anything like that, and so I clicked on it. That led me to the work of medium Leslie Flint.

So I listened to this clip that was on the Afterlife Report, and it was Dinshaw nan She Dctor, didn't Sha Nan. She's speaking with his wife Annie Nanji and she is in spirit and he is here. And I was fascinated by this. I couldn't believe this, and I began to find out more about who this medium was and who these people were and all about this. And

Leslie Flint he was what they call a direct voice medium. Now, most mediums that we know that they're say the Long Island Medium or John Edward, you know, popular mediums, they're what we call mental mediums. They get they received mental messages and impressions and all that. Leslie Flint was different. Leslie Flint was a direct voice medium, which means he didn't received message mental or he may have, but that wasn't a specialty. The direct voice piece of it is

not a mental medium. Ship is also not or you're channeling like Ester Hicks does, where you bring voices through and you and you use your own voice to speak the spirits words. It's not like that you're sitting in a room and the voice of the spirits come into the room and everyone in the room hears them, including the medium. So and Leslie Flint did not sit in trance. He was fully aware and awake. He wasn't there. He

did sit in the dark. He was aware and awake and would converse with the spirits as well as everyone else in the room. He was alive between nineteen eleven and he passed in nine four, so we had a very long life. He was into his eighties and he had his first seance at age seventeen, and he began to develop under the tutelage of a woman named Edith Munden, who he eventually married. She was older, but she was like his mentor and his friend, and he really loved

her for that. And after World War two broke three. After that his work began to take off. And during times of world World War One and World War two, when there's a great amount of death, people's interest in the afterlife really spike, and so yes, and so he had many many sitters. Interestingly though, he never charged a penny for his seances, where he would sit with with a number of sitters for and the other thing I love about the Leslie Flint Educational Um Trust is it's

on the website. People can go there, you can listen to the recordings for free. This is a good time to go into our first break. But before we do, just a quick announcement for any George Norrie fans who sponsors this show. He's the host of Coast to Coast AM. He will be doing some live eat and greets they're called and also some live events. One's coming up in Everett, Washington. There'll be one in Sedona, Arizona. You can meet George. If you can find out more, just go to Coast

to Coast a M and click on events. Let's take our first break and we'll be back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a M Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sander Champlain and you are listening to a conversation I had with Mary Beth

spam Mank. She's talking about Leslie Flint, who was a one of a kind medium who would sit with people and voices would come out of nowhere and people could have a conversation with their loved one for free or for a very little charge. You know, we all need to eat now, not every single one of Leslie Flints SAMs were recorded, but in the nineteen fifties, so this

is about twenty years lost. But in the nineteen fifties there were two sitters, George Woods and Betty Green, who began recording them because by them they had some recording equipment, and they we now have one over one thousand sentences recorded. There are third I believe thirty two of the what they call the anti Nang recordings on the trust website, and there are Carl told me probably thirty more. The

recordings are on tape, and they're very fragile. Jack Terence Andrews over in Arizona, Paines taking Lee turns these tapes into digitized recordings and it's a really a labor of loves. So I listened to the nag recording. I was fascinated, and then I went to the website and I saw all these recordings from I mean, there's many other people,

some famous people, some not so famous people. But I was interested in the Nagis because that was a husband and wife and they were soul mates and they were romantic with each other, and I wanted to listen to all of them. The problem was that out of the thirty I think there were maybe two that were transcribed. Number one. I'm hard of hearing Number two because it was not just one person coming to speak with cities.

In other words, one spirit person coming in. It was Dinshaw Nanji speaking with his wife, and then there was Mr Flint and often his spiritual sidekick Mickey, and sometimes they're all talking at the same time and it's really hard for me to understand what they're saying, and they

have accents. So I contacted I'm not quite sure if I contacted Jack Terrence Andrews or Carl Jackson Burns about this, but I said to them, why are there not more transcriptions that makes it so much easier to listen and read along? And they said, because they can't be These recordings can't be put in what their software now that just does it automatically because of the accents and because of the of the recordings and not really all that great, and you know, they try to make them as as

cleaned up as possible, but they're old. And they said they have to be done by hand by volunteers, and we don't have volunteers. And I said, I'll volunteer to do it, and so I started doing it and man on man is it tedious? Let me just tell you, because I try to get them exact because you know the spirit voices and keep this historic fance and it would take me for maybe a minute of recording it would it could take me like two hours to get a tiny teeny that each fance is about a half

an hour long. But in doing that, I felt like I really began to know these people. I felt like they were friends of mine. I recognized in them. Even though the things that they discussed are different than what Paul and I discussed, and all that, the love and the devotion and the excitement that they had just to be communicating with each other was something that was very very familiar to me, and it gave me such hope that this would be true for Paul and me, and

it was so very believable. The other thing I loved about it, I always say to people that Dr Dinshaw Nanji, who was a chemist from India, and that's significant because often scientists are not so willing to step into our community. And so he was a chemist, but he was desperate two connect with his daughter, desperate to connect with his daughter. And we have found out that our other good friend,

Stid Gurlston. He's from Sweden. He said, you know, I can do some background research, and he found Dinshaw's daughter from a first marriage, who was now older. But she said, when not when Annie passed, My father was so restricken. I couldn't even live with him. I moved out of

the house. He was so beside himself with grief. And as you listen to the recordings through the years, his fifteen years worth of recordings, Dinshon that with Mr Flint twice a year, and sometimes sometimes they would sit twice in that meeting, like two days in that meeting, So you can see his own grief lifting off of him through the years, through the conversations, and towards the end he's saying, oh, yes, I'm an eighty year old man that people don't even believe the stuff. Don't I look good?

And you can see that, you know, as long as he knows she's there, As long as we know I loved ones are there and they're happy, and they're healthy, and they love us, and we will be reunited in the relationship we are familiar with. I don't want to cross over and find out Paul's my uncle you know, I want him to be my over my husband, my sweetheart. As long as we know that that continues in that way, and that's what the Nong recordings reassured me of, then

I can go on. I can go on. And in the recordings, which there's like so much stuff to talk, you know, so many references that it would be impossible, obviously to bring your listeners every single piece of it. But I do know that some the people are most concerned when when you lose someone, you're most concerned about a number of things, one of them being, you know, will they be when I cross over? Will my son be my son? Will my husband be my husband? Will

my mother be my mother? And the answer is something jeez, yes, the relationship here continues. It's it continues right now as a transdimensional relationship, as William Murray coined it, and when we get over there, it will it continues the way it is. So I love them because when I listened to the recording and Sandra I pick up, I'm kind of four different categories of conversation that this husband and wife have with each other, and the first is that

they just have ordinary husband wife banter. Some of the people who have listened to the tapes, they say, it's almost like you're eavesdropping on them, you know, in there for the privacy of their home. The four examples just stract me up. One day, she said to him, I'm terrifrasing. But she says to him that hat you're wearing and he says, yes, I'm She says, well, it's just so old. I want you to get a new hat. And he says, no, it's fine, and she said, no, no, no, no, it's

just it's so old. I want you to go out and get yourself a new hat and that will be from me. And isn't that like so typical of so many you know, so many marriages where people say, oh, you're wearing that today, which shows Mary Beth that she's right there with them. I mean, we often it's easy to think our loved ones are off in heaven somewhere far away, but they're right here with us, just vibrating in a different frequency. We can't see them, but they're

very aware, correct of what we're doing, exactly exactly. And then she always asked him, you know a number of times in the recordings, this is true of real life too, when you live with people, is that the same conversations will pop up again and again and so throughout the number of different recordings. Every so often she'll say to him things like, um, you're keeping my things like you know, he said, he hasn't removed her things. She says, my bits and pieces. And he says, I'll never part with

any of them. And she says, oh, you know, you know it's okay. And he says no. When I die, that'll be time for other people can get rid of them. Then I won't meet them. But right now, he says, I often bury my face in your clothes and I smell them. I mean, how many of us have done that with a loved one. It's and and and it's so these little reports, even though the little, tiny, little, little tiny threads into their life. For me, it made me feel like we're all the same. For all we

know how many people have felt this. Everybody, most everybody, unless you know you pass when you're a baby, most everybody feels this kind of thing. And he's very funny. And she also tells Mr Flint that he eats too much and he's too fat, and everybody laughed in the fance, and and she says, no, I mean she almost says, I mean it in a good way. Really, it's the stances are funny, they're upbeat. There's nothing heavy or desperate

or horrible about them. So and one of my favorite quotes he says to her the News as his nickname is. He says to her, when I come to see you, when I in other ways, when I passed and I'm with you, will I be able to feel your kiss on my lips? And she says, of course, of course you will. She said, our world is as solid to us as yours is to you. I love that. I love that. It's so beautiful, and for me it implies even more than a kiss. You know, people want more

than that. They want the full hole of rock experience with a beloved loved one, a romantic loved one. And so she's reassuring him, of course, darling, of course, of course, of course that's the way it is. And she says, she comes to him, and she touches his hand, and she, you know, or she knocks on the wall, she does all these different things that people report, you know, sign

from their loved ones. Also, she says interestingly that if he goes shopping and he sees something he would have purchased for her if she were here, but he doesn't because she's not. She says, I see you shopping for me, and I see you wanting to pick things for me, and I tell you I am replicating them in our life here, and when you get here you will see the So that's that's kind of cool. So yeah, So it's a very morning world, this spirit world, yes, very real, yes, yes.

And every morning I pour coffee. I poured two cups of coffee. If you were here right now, you see two cups of coffee on my table, one for Fall and one for me, you know, and I sitting I talked to him, sometimes mentally and sometimes out loud, but of course, you know, he doesn't drink his cup here, and I imagine he's having a cup in the day afterlife.

And one time I thought to myself, you know, sometimes I drink his cup too, but sometimes I just poured down the sink, and I think it's kind of a waste. And I had to read and I'm not kidding you with the medium online, I wasn't even talking to it was just to the chat room, and she was reading me. And she said he's bringing me this, this is my Paul. He's bringing me the smell of coffee, and he's saying it's not a waste. And she didn't even know what

that meant. Oh that's great, I know, isn't it cool? So a lot of the antie Nanji and dingeon Aji parallels to you know, what I'm experiencing in my life here. So when I poured Paul a cup of coffee, I am Meg and he is receiving that a lot of people are just make this point that a lot of people who are grieving are looking for signs from their loved one, and sometimes on afterlife groups are on I don't I don't go on widow groups because they're just

too sad. But I was for a while and the widow groups just so excruciatingly in pain, and they're like I'm cut glass and they'll say, oh, I'm desperate for a sign. I don't get any sign. And what William Murray and I tell people is, don't worry about that so much. Us start by giving them signs like pour a cup of coffee for them, go shopping and pick up something, pick up like I don't know, you know, some flowers or something and say these are for you.

You don't even have to really buy them. And then once you begin to raise your own feelings and feel better, better, better, you will notice them because they are around you all the time. It's just as sometimes the grief. We're so distracted and so upset and so sad and we want them to appear. Sitting on our couch. Let's head into our break and we'll be back with Mary Beth. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome

back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sander Schamplain until death us don't part, No, we stick together. And Mary Beth was just talking about giving them signs. Talk to them, include them in our life, think about gifts you'd like to give them, pour that cup of coffee, write a letter, whatever it takes to keep the conversation going that you know that they're still alive. And I believe too that

that raises our vibration. It helps us feel better. And there has been so much discussion on the better we feel, the more the folks in the spirit world can use our energy. And give us signs, so it's definitely worth investigating. Now. Mary Beth was also going to tell us about a lady in her afterlife group, Bruce husband passed and she's alone.

She lives alone and she's elderly, lovely woman, but her family is not on board with us, and according to her, they think she's you know, lost her crackers or whatever I think. But she said she was people think that, oh sayd and just walking around her house alone, empty, sobbing, sobbing desperately, and she said, screaming for her. I was screaming and she and so William and I know, said to just talk to him. And she said, I just, even though I felt silly pauled by myself, I did it.

I talked aloud to him, and she said I started feeling him. I really started began to feel him around me. And she tells about all. She says, now I can tell he's sitting right here. I mean, it really does work to help you raise your vibration. And it's also not about just them giving to you. It's about you getting love to hear more about how you came together

with William. And you had said something to me earlier about affirmations that William uses and how it impacts your grief, and talk about your Facebook group and your zoom too, if I made just before, just before I go there, I just want to close out with the nan She but one very wonderful quote that she said that I think is really to the two things that I think is really helpful for people who are suffering the way

I was suffering. He was talking about the fact that he went to a garden where they hit a park something where they had been and he was starting to get a little teary. That Jinshaw was starting to get upset and he remembered and he's longing for her. Even though we could talk to her, he could still he's so long. We would all, oh my god, we will like if I light on for he had that, but it still wasn't enough, you know, he wanted to be

with it. And he says, I go to that. He said, I go to the spot where you were, and I re call those precious moments. And she said, but they will come again and they will be even more wonderful. Here when you call um quote this is a quote here. When you come, you will understand things I cannot possibly tell you because words I don't know. If you try to remember the wonderful things and the wonderful happenings we shared here, it is so much more when you come

to me. That's all I care about. And one other time, this is to conclude the Annie Nangic thing. One other time when was she open? Every time she comes to him, she's all excited and she's she always says, oh, what do we talk about? What? Try did you hear this little sweet dis she accent? What should we talk about now? Which I'm not good at imitating, she says. She says to him, Oh, my darling, I can think of nothing

but I love you. But that is everything, And I think, oh, my god, it's just was just you know, food for my soul. My god, my Paul is still there with me every day and he's he's with me, he's waiting for me, and he's loving me. And that's why I want to reassure all of your readers, what you know, no matter who has passed, that that is true for all of us. That is true for all of us.

And you know, if you're someone who lost a husband or a sweetheart or fiance or whatever, twin soul, go listen to the endy Nagy and I've got five of the report of five of the transcripts, and we have a couple other people working on them as well. It's just at that day for this is all to come together eventually in a book. Yes, yes, well that's not yes not our goal. Yes, so we're working on a book.

All the people that I mentioned to date, and there's another woman um I didn't get a permission mentioned her last name, but her name is Marie and she's doing transcripts as well. Jack and Carol and Stig and Maria and I were all working in the book will be It will be like a guide book for the Nangies to listen to them and understand what they're saying. And any of the proceeds will go back to the trust

because Jack curates the website. Of course that costs money to all these things, you know, things cost money, even with volunteers, and so we feel like this will be a help to people like so the most definitely, as we can all map on our relationships, even though you know it isn't our loved one speaking through, but you'll

see how real they are. It's very healing to hear these these words back and forth from husband and wife and yes, even across the vale, but you'll really get it that your loved one, whoever that may be, is still with you. So and it's important. I learned two things from Carl that are key in all of this trying to feel better when you are longing so much.

He said. Number one is patients and he told that refers back to the you know, the recording, the recording with Leslie Flint where he waited for half an hour and nothing happened. To just be patient, be patient with yourself, be patient with your loved one and all of that.

Just be you know, be patient, take a breath. And something else that was interesting from Carl was I said to him, sometimes I lament the fact that some of my nearest endears are not on board with this, and it's hard to share my enthusiasm for it with them. And he said, Carl said, I don't share it with people. I don't unless he knows they're like minded. But he said,

I just don't. And I think that that can you know, you you you want so long that to be so excited to share it like with the people that you're closest to, but if they're not on board, it can be very discouraging. And the last thing we need is any sort of discourage. So it just blessed them and let them have their own half and share with the people who you know are going to go hit hit parade. So that those are two little chips. As for William as oh not mine, but yes, goodwards. As for William,

William Murray is um a person. I hope he doesn't mind me talking about him. But he's done the afterlife, many of the afterlife groups, and he was married to his wife Irene as soulmates that were married for many years, over twenty years together, and Irene passed from cancer as well. And he wrote a book that's online. It's called Love Afterlife. It's an Amazon book that's available for like really minimal amounts.

But they also has a blog, and if you google his name William Murray and you are a y and blog, it'll come up. Love Afterlife is his blog and the book is available as a pdf for free on his blog page if you want to look at that. So, yeah, so William and I were on these other afterlife groups and began to gravitate towards each other. As law of attraction will have people who are like minded gravitate toward each other. And William began to just firstly described how

the grief was so incredibly fearing. It was horrible for him. You know, he was having panic attacks, he was throwing up, he was he couldn't imagine life without his Direne, and they have six children between the two of them, and you know, he wasn't ready to take himself out. And

so William know was very smart. He's like my mentor, and he and I both agreed, I mean in our own heads, not with each we hadn't even communicated, but I mean we were in agreement with this fact that there is no death and that if we were going to feel our love going around us, we had to make we had to lift ourselves up out of that deep, deep grief. Williams, you know, his learning was a little

bit different than mine. I've learned from a lot of different teachers, but many of much of our teachings were the same that we brought to this grief experience. And William decided, which I think was brilliant Dad, when he noticed that when he felt Irene's presence around him. It would feel good from no a second, and then that grief would kick in, and he began saying to her out loud, you know, Irene, don't stop coming near me. Let me handle my own grief. I want to feel

your love. And he allowed himself to feel it more and more and more and more, and he kept his blog, and in the blog he started saying, hey, you know what it's been. You know, three weeks I haven't really felt to me. I haven't felt that fearing. Of course, I've so long for her, but it's not as bad. And eventually he realized he had eradicated it, and he did it. In his book, he has a number of I guess you could call them action steps that he

took to really eradicate the grief. And meanwhile, on my own, irrespectable what William was doing, I was doing similar things. And we found together that we're more in love with our crossover sweethearts than even we were when they were here. And William says that part of the purpose of grief.

He said, imagine when we get there, how fabulous that reunion, how amazing that reunion, And so many of the other grief groups of traditional grief groups online or people you know, and they're all well intended, Sandra, but so many of them really they really ascribe to the notion that yes, you love your love, and yes you can communicate with them, yes you can feel better, but you're always going to have that whole in your heart. And William and I didn't feel that, and so we kind of broke off

and did our own thing. And we have a Facebook group called Love Afterlife, and we have a zoom room meeting where we meet every week at three to four New York time, but we have people all around the world to come. And now William and I just sort of sit back and they all kind of talk to each other about can you imagine it's amazing this, and

it's amazing that. And William and I I know from talking to him that we really believe that the most paramount thing is to believe that every single thing that happens to you is for your own benefit, including your partner's cancer and including death. Every single thing is for your own benefit. And if you can find the parts to appreciate. I know it sounds so, you know when my Pollyanna ish, but if you can find the parts to appreciate, which is different from gratitude. Gratitude is thank you,

thank you, thank you. I would never say that for cancer or Paul's passing, by the way, but but there are things that can appreciate about it, about those things, and if you can find the parts you can appreciate, if you can begin to support yourself from the inside out and do whatever is necessary, you can make yourself feel better and better and better and better. Then you can feel your loved one with you. And I feel Paul with me all the time. I mean, it's funny.

I almost feel him coming and going the way you would in a normal situation, Like he went to work and I went to work, and then we came back together and at dinner. You know, he's not with me every single second of the day, but there's times where he just kind of whoshes in and I say, oh, thank you. That's the other thing Williams says thank you to everything. Um people will say I had the craziest

dream last night. I dreamt that my husband's spirit went off and doesn't love me anymore, And William would say, that's your husband visiting mixed in with your fears. So thank your husband for coming in your and say, oh, honey, I'm so sorry, and I'm so fearful about so many other things. Thank you for showing up. And I promise I'm going to try and feel better, so next time you show up, it's easier for you to get through.

So there's nothing that shows up on William's radar, and I'm practiced as well as this or my radar as something horrible, tragic, disgusting, hideous, nothing, nothing. It's all good and it's all for our benefit. And the afterlife is real. Our loved us are right there, they're right here. The afterlife is all about us. It's not anywhere far off. It's not up in the heaven is there anything. It's

right here and we'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain. Mary Beth was just talking about the difference between appreciation and gratitude. We can appreciate things going wrong in our life, that they give us spiritual growth, that they have us look at the bigger picture. We can use them to empower us.

There's always a point in our life that we can look back on the things that have happened and say, if that didn't happen that way, I wouldn't be where I am today. So it's different than being thankful for bad things happening. It's more being in the driver's seat and taking that victim mentality out the woe was me? And please take care of yourself if you are grieving, but there will come a time where you can empower yourself.

And even going through what you've gone through, you might be just the person who can make a difference for another person, So don't discount your experiences. So, Mary Beth, you have done so much, and I know you've raised your own vibrations by helping out so many people. I am thrilled for all the volunteer work you're doing for the Leslie Flint Foundation, and really just thank you for all you're doing. And it's changed my view on death,

of course. I mean I had another love one, my ex mother in law, Grammar to my kids, just recently passed. It was sad and I love her dearly, but I know she's perfectly well and happy and young and fine and so it's the it takes the bite out of death,

the death experience when when someone you love. Guys, when you know these things, it still hurts, but it's not so horrible and it's doable, and we're all in this together, and it happens to almost virtually, Like I said, unless you die when you're you know, very very very very young, it happens to all of us eventually. So I think that you know this community and you're offerings your radio show, and everybody who contributes in all their many different ways,

not a horrible, hideous thing. It's a very exciting, invigorating, wonderful, sparkling, wondrous world to be in the world of afterlife. And so I'm so glad that Paul ushered me into this. Yeah. And can anyone UM that's lost a loved one I hate to use the word lost because they're not lost. Can they be part of your group? Well, yes, as long as they have um Like for example, some people come to us and said my son died, and we gently and gracefully decline them because we are not experts.

We have no notion about what it's like when a child passes. That's a whole different kettle of fish, and so William and I wouldn't even begin to address that. And William goes out of his way every single time he speaks or talks to say to people. In my opinion, in my experience, in my own knowing, this may not be your knowing. Williams just recently had an astro projection with Irene that he's talking about, you know, in the groups and things like that. So I don't think it's

a secret. And he now is convinced more than ever he went and met with her, and so that's so exciting. I haven't had that happened, but he'll say, here's how it happened for me. I don't know that this is going to be your path. I don't know. Here's what happened for me. I'll share it with you, but I am not you. And so you're you might not have an astral projection, no matter how hard you try, because that may not be in the cards to you. I'm not sure exactly how every single none of us are

sure exactly how every single thing works. We don't know everything single thing works here on earth, you know, So we always give that caveat that it's not our experience may not be exactly your experience, but I will tell you that it's beneficial always, no matter what your circumstances, to always reach for something that feels better, better, better, better, that does serve, that does serve you and people around you. We can always learn and take nuggets from anything, even

if we don't buy into everything we hear. But the name of your Facebook group, am I correct that it's Forever in Love with our Partners who have crossed Over? No, that's not our group. That's a different group. Our our group is Love after Life. Oh well, that's much easier to type out anyways. And by the way, I want to say sounder what you just said. Um about William and I also have We know, we have our own things, but we also advise people take it or leave it.

But we also advise people that in the world the after life, you're going to hear things that don't resonate with you and William and I in an effort to keep our vibration high and happy and loving. If I hear a piece of information Shan that doesn't sound right to me, I just throw it out. I don't even pay any attention to it. I don't worry, but I did in the past. I would read stuff and I would be and it would draw me for a loop. I'd be shobbing out loud. Now I think, well, that

doesn't personate with me, and I just discovered it. Yeah, and maybe that's sticking my head in the sand. I don't know, but I don't care. Take what empowers you, and that goes for any information you get from anybody, whether it's on one of these episodes, a book you read. You know, don't throw the whole thing out because of one thing. Take what empowers you, because we are each

on our own individual journey. And just exactly one thing about your Facebook group, I have no problem that you are communicating with people who are interested in the transdimensional

love life. Uh. And there are great groups like Helping Parents Heal that work with grieving parents, and if you're not a grieving parents, you know that may not be the group for you because it is specialized and and yeah, and it's possible with some of the tenements and some of the things that we share our useful for those people. But we just don't feel we really feel like that's

way out of our element. That's not you know, we we don't have that, except well, we are I only working on our own experience and what works for us and what's been helpful for us. That's what we can share knowledgeably. But my children are here. I haven't lost a child, you know, and uh so I can't speak responsibly in any way man are formed to anyone who has, for example, lost a child. But yet there are groups

who do. Yeah. And if someone's listening right now and on one of these episodes, we have not covered your particular area of grief. I can nine percent guarantee you that I know someone to connect you with or a Facebook group, So feel free to write me Sandra Champlaine at gmail dot com and I will be able to connect you with the right group or several of them. But very bath, it's time for us to say our final words. Um as I knew it would go by fast. But yeah, do you have any a couple of final

words you want to share? And then I will one of the interview, Yeah, one one of the little you know. I have all these different little axioms and things and little little um you know affirmations. I mean William William. Some of William's affirmations are things like you know, Irene, Irene, you and I are together, Irene, we are in love. I know you're right here. You know. He constantly won't reassure himself that way. And then his book, he has all of the enlisted, so you can go and read

his book for free. But one of the little things I love that I often say to myself that I've picked up in some little wacky book that they actually talked to you about how you can prepare a body for death yourself, which I wasn't intending to do. But but I had a little quote in the beginning of the book and it said Mary meet Amy r r Y Mary Meat and Mary part and Mary meat again. And that's for me, that sums up life. Mary meet Mary Part, Mary Meat again. I met Hall when I

was a teenager. We parted ways. I met him again when I was adult, an adult. We came together for a full, fabulous relationship. You know. We parted in a certain way when he took off the flip side, and we will meet again. And that's true for everyone. So I love that. It's just it's just so buoyant and happy, and I like cheerful things. Marry Meat and Mary part and marry meet again, and Sandra, I don't marry me again with you, Mary Beth, I am sure that is

going to happen. Well, some announcements before we conclude the episode. Plus, I want to just clue you in on where I am since last week. As you know, just over a week ago, my last boyfriend died. Yeah, we were together better part of nine years and he tragically was in a car accident. So been a tough time, but it's been a lot better knowing about the afterlife using some of the tools that Mary Beth just happened to talk about.

I talked to this guy Michael all the time. When my mind gets quiet and I go into that sad mode, I say, wait a minute, he's here. So I just start talking usually in my mind, and just let there be some quiet space, and they get filled with some shared memories and almost like he's talking to me. You know. I like it. I do like it. And of course I had a wonderful reading with the medium Kath Shirley, who brought through some exact evidence of his life and some great words that he had for me that no

one else could possibly know. That's probably why this is the episode today is just because I needed to hear these words again. I'm interested in checking out and you might be too, William Murray's blog, So Mary Beth said, just search for William murray blog. Their Facebook group is Love after Life and they have a weekly free zoom meeting. And if you are someone who has your romantic partner in the afterlife and want to continue that relationship, this

is the place for you. Also, dive straight into Leslie Flint dot com. That's the medium who has over a thousand hours recorded of these conversations about with people and their deceased loved ones. Really it's mind blowing what you hear. Look up the nags n A n j I Annie Nangi is her name. And while you're there, if you want to give a little donation to the Leslie Flint Trust,

you certainly can Leslie Flint dot com. Yeah, a bunch of volunteers doing some very very hard work and a producer, Tom wanted me to remind you that George Nori, the Great George Nori from Coast to Coast AM is going to be doing some live events and meet and greets with other speakers. So if you want to find out more, where he's going to be. Just go to Coast to Coast a m and click on events and as always,

our home base is we Don't Die dot com. You can come to our free Sunday gathering complete with medium demonstration, take a course and mediumship, or so much more. Join our Facebook group of close to seven thousand people who talk about life, death, the afterlife. Introduce yourself. There might be somebody in your hometown. So I think that's all I have for you today. Let me look at my brain. Yeah,

I just want to say, take care of yourself. Our human mind wants to fight us and wants to convince us that this afterlife business is all in our mind and it's not real. Just remember that that's the same little voice in the morning that tells you you're too old, too ugly, too many great hairs, gives you fear, tells you what you should have done, you could have done, gives you guilt. Don't listen to that voice. It's not

telling you the truth. Take quiet times. It's in those present moments where you can tap into your own spirituality, your own soul's wisdom, and also your loved ones in the afterlife. So with that, my friend, I Am Sanders Champlain. Thank you for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Thanks for listening to the I Heart Radio

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