Episode 38: Energetic Beings Connecting in Unseen Ways

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connecting with the intuitive guidance of the heart. Hello, Howard, it's a pleasure to be with you. Thank you so much for having me on your program, for the great introduction, and I'm looking forward to our conversation. Hope everybody who's taking their time and giving their ten get something out of what we talk about and they can help to make a meaningful difference in their lives. Well, you've already made a meaningful difference in my life without even knowing it.

About a month ago, I watched that Ted X talk and I just rewatched it again before you and I are speaking now. And I was in a little bit of a slump and I was imagining my heart what it was probably not doing, and took some time to sit in gratitude and love. And so you've got me finely tuned right now with my heart for a good interview. Yeah, I'm really inspired and for me personally, this is just the conversation and the things I like to delve in.

So absolutely couldn't be happier that we get to talk today. So let's jump right in. Let's how does this story begin. Let's go back a little bit too, Just who you are and your background and how in the world did you find out something like heart math well young man early twenties rock musician, drummer at that time in the music business, in the midst of the decadence and all that, there was, you know, sort of an interest in spiritual

things that was sort of circulating through that world. At times. Through that process, I met another young man named Doc Chouldrey who was quite interesting to me. He certainly wasn't but a little bit older than I was, but he certainly had any intelligeness and awareness It was different and more embracing than mine. We became friends. Over time, I proceed, you know, my own personal growth and the ways that I could, and it got to a place where I

recognized that something had to change in my life. I could no longer walk into worlds that the music business was what it was, and the excitement, the glamour. The stimulation was, you know, something that was hard to shake, but a deeper part of myself was saying that there's

something else you need to do with your life. And so every time I made that change, I spent many years, about eight I think it was, you know, living in obscurity, working ordinary jobs, doing the best I could to have a place to live in, something to drive, and working with doc and with others. Focus my total attention really on how am I going to change, how am I gonna grow? What's gonna happen to my awareness? How can I be a better person? All those type of things.

And so that type of work led to a place that most of us finally did to when we go that deep into something and it's to our own hearts. In those days, we didn't have an ambition to be an organization or be authors and anything like we are today. I mean, we're just people just kind of find a deeper connection to uh, this part of ourselves that have

been talked about for thousands of years. It's called harm In time though, that just began to magnetize and draw it to us, and we ended up in relationships with other people we recognize it at a certain place. We had something that we could try to share. We started what's called heart Math in northern California. We were in the South before that. We partner with some people in northern California. We started with no real definitive business plan. We certainly didn't start with a lot of money. We

started with a belief. We start with commitment. We started with a caring commitment to want to benefit the lives of others in some way, especially during these these times of accelerated change. And step by step we built it. And uh, it's been through an awful lot. We're thirty years deep into this now. I'm very proud of what's been accomplish the Heart Man. We have a huge footprint in the world today. We've redefined, I think, in many

ways what heart really is. We have touched the lives in meaningful ways of millions of people, many millions of people, and we continue to grow. There's no ceiling to this. The adventure continues. The excitement of this adventure continues to

build each and every day. So I sit here now and any television studio in San Francisco where I just did an interview, having this conversation with you, and you know, I can't appreciate enough what has happened in my life and the gifts that life has given me to have an opportunity like right now, in this moment here today, that they have this chance to share my heart with you and with everybody who's listening. I don't take that for granted. And when I look back at it all

and so how does this happen? How this happened to me? I just have to say it gets back, simplistically stated to a statement we've all heard all of our lives, just to listen to and throughly follow our hearts, and that's basically all I've ever done. Well, I'm glad you have. I have a different journey, but also listening to my heart and it's amazing the people that get attracted to me, the opportunities I've had, and it's all based on service.

And so you're very like minded in that way. But I want to ask you when you know when you first you think of the heart, it's the thing that is pumping in our chest. But when we think about love, we always think about our hearts. When we think about following our heart, we're talking about following our maybe our soul, our soul's purpose. When you just think about heart math, you know, I'm thinking about the thing that's pumping blood,

but it's so so much more. Can you talk about the things that the heart does and really what heart math is. It was surprising to me how many things are heart does. Yeah, and there's different dimensions to heart, Sander. I mean, we have the physical heart, and we've done a lot of research on understanding it and what it's doing. Beyond this blood pumping capacity. Certainly there's the emotional heart, which you alluded to, all these magnificent, beautiful emotional textures

that are associated with the concept of heart. And then there's a spiritual heart. In this connection that we have is something larger than ourselves, is to the bigger us, to the field of information called consciousness that we used to co create reality. All that happens through the heart as well. So at heart math we look at all of those angles on heart. I think that what has helped us to have influenced in the world is the fact that we took a scientific approach to some of it.

Most everything we do is underpen with scientific research. We have a system, its tools as techniques. It's innovative technology, and the science underpends it all. So what science did for us is that helped to build a bridge between the metaphorical understanding of heart or the the understanding of heart that was associated with let's say, the spiritual concepts and bring all that down to a context where people could understand it in a different way and then apply

the basic qualities of heart in their daily lives. We wanted to take it from what we call a sky down the street so that it could be applicable to making a difference in the quality of life that people are experiencing. So that's what we've done. So the system is the ployed through the world, the training programs, we certified coaches, we certified trainers, We deliver all kinds of programs their salves. I do get an opportunity to be a spokesperson and to speak a lot of places, and uh,

that's basically what we do. And again, the sciences the bridge. The science has allowed us to take these understandings of heart into very very mainstream segments of society, places where you would not suspect that something like heart math would be. Like all four branches of the US military, police forces, fire, apartments, universities, all kinds of places that have heart math embedded in what they do and or have taken a lot of

heart man training. So again, the science was helpful because people know kind of about heart, but they sort of write it off as a metaphor. But we were able to take it down to something and made it more tangible. I love the tangibility of it because in the past I thought, you know, our thoughts really impact how we feel, and our feelings are sending something out in the world. But can you explain a little bit about is it the electromagnetic waves that get sent out from our heart

something like that? Yeah? Sure, I mean the heart is communicating and sending information through the brain and the rest of the body and beyond. It does in a bunch of ways. It has a very complex nervous system information, It has blood pressure wave changes, It releases hormones into the body that regenerate us a lot of ways, and heart is actually talking. One of the coolest ways those

an electromagnetic field produced by the heart. This magnetic field rome it's every single sell in our own bodies, but it also has enough power in it that it creates a field that extends beyond our skin out into space, and that field can be measured with very conservative research equipment and traditional type research equipment about three to four feet outside of the body, and researchers believe that that's

just the beginning of where this steel really goes. That we're looking at it the just one lens of research technology or scientific technology, but that we have this field of information that we're producing from our own hearts. Fields have information in them, and the heart steel does as well, and the information in that field is directly related to

what we are experiencing emotionally. For example, if we are upset, angry, irritated, frustrated, those kind of feelings, it produces a very incoherent signal in that heart field, and we are broadcasting that. Conversely, you start feeling emotional qualities that have been associated with like more care, more compassion, lectra kindness to people, certainly less judgment and in prince. The field differently in prints with different information, and we are in fact broadcasting that

information as well. So it becomes a matter of understanding that we are energetic beings and that we are communicating in unseen ways, and that there's a connection energetically between all living systems. Every living system on our planet and beyond is connected in ways of which we are just beginning to understand. The major energetic contributor from us the

human being is actually the heart. So it's through the heart that we make these type of connections that allow us to experience the sense of that we're not alone, that we're all in this together, and that we all have a responsibility of what we are feeding this collective field, what we are doing through our own thoughts and emotions in particular to influence the world and others in a

way that would be certainly more uplifting and beneficial. I saw on your ted X talk that you had a person, a gal sit with you on the stage and you connected some kind of a little monitor her ear. Can you explain what you did, because I love the science behind this is takes it out of just good feelings. Are good for you because you can actually see on

the court the results. Well, when we were doing our scientific research, we wanted to understand how we can measure this quality of communication that was going on between the physical heart, the brain, and the rest of the body. And what we discovered there was a there was a scientific discipline called heart rate variability analysis. And what that means, Sandra, is you're measuring the time between horm beats, the varying

in the speed in which the heart is beating. So it's different than measuring just heart rate like a fitness monitor measures. Howard, we have to take a quick break. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. Stay right there, there's more, Sandra coming right out. Men and women can have an excess of one hundred thousand hairs. Unfortunately, before hair losses noticed that number drops nearly in half.

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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain and we're with Howard Martin from Heart Math. Now, how are you were just talking about the variability analysis? What does that mean? Variability analysis? What that means, Sandra, is you're measuring the time between horn beats, the varying in the speed in which the heart is beating. So it's different than measuring just heart rate like a fitness monitor measures. You're really measuring a rhythmic pattern produced by the speeding

up and slowing down of the heart. Now, what we discovered is that there were many things that influenced that heart rate variability movement does speech, does light and sound even do But what researchers have missed as the fact that emotions also do They affected that heart rate variability pattern. Now, when we are in a very positive emotional state, those heart rhythm has become very ordered and it puts us in a state called coherence. So I'm gonna slow this

tentis a little bit so everyone listening can follow. We were wanting to measure quality of communication between hard and brain. We found that heart rate variability analysis was a way to do that. Then we found that when those heart rhythms were an optimal state, it was a state called coherence.

In the coherence state, all the body systems are synchronized to the rhythmic beating pattern of the heart, means of respiration, digestion, immune system response, hormonal releases, brain function, all that stuff syncs up and boom, there we are in this high performance state. That state is triggered by the experience of a regenerative, uplifting emotion. So when we're more caring, for example,

we're gonna be more naturally coherent. When I am appreciating someone rather than judging them, I'm gonna be more naturally coherent. And so what you were seeing in the ted X talk was technology that measures that that anybody can get anybody can own. The most popular version of it's called the Inner Balanced Trainer, and it's an app that you can get for any phone downloaded from your favorite app store. You purchase the sensor from from heart math or from

the distributor somewhere that connects to your ear. It communicates your heart rhythm patterns to the app, and then the app has a patent algorithm and it that scores those heart rhythms for how coherent they are. So what the technology is used for us to train ourselves to become more coherent, the trainer selves to be more connective with

the hearts and diligence. And so it's really useful in many many applications, everything from people who are in their meditations and spiritual practices right on down to high performance athletes. I mean, you use our technology as a way of gaining extra benefit from whatever endeavors that they're they're making. It's really funny because just before I called you, I was playing the game with the Clock, and I was

on the heart math website ordering one of those. But I find it fascinating because in the ted X talk you can actually see this young woman just the results on the monitor. And I'm sure she was nervous sitting in a crowd of however many hundreds of people, and you can see all these jagged lines and and you can get it. You know, it's nerve racking. Probably she didn't know what she was in for. But then you actually had her breathe through her heart and maybe could

talk a little bit about that. But then you all of a sudden started seeing these smooth lines and the smooth patterns. And I know firsthand just from living life that if I can put myself in a place of love, gratitude, appreciation, life goes better. However, to actually see what the heart is doing is absolutely incredible. You know. What I had to do was a simple heart mat technique called quick coherence,

and there are three steps to it. The first is to focus your attention right in the area in the center of your chest, in the area of the heart. Then you do something called heart focused breathing, which means that you breathe naturally normally in a comfortable rhythm, but maybe deeper than you normally would. And as you breathe, you imagine as if the breath is flowing in and out right through the center of your chest, the area of the heart. Then why you got a heart focused

breathing going on? Then you make a sincere attempt to activate a regenerative, uplifting emotion. You can recall a feeling if when you just really felt good inside, or you can remember maybe being in a special place or whether a special person, or playing with your pet or your child or your grandchild, and you evoke this feeling and when you do this sweet steps together. What happens is

instantaneously your heart rhythms change. And it's just demonstrated with the girl on stage just she was in an incoherent state up on the stage in front of hundreds of people, a little nervous. I took her through the technique that she shifted from an incoherent heart rhythm to a highly

coherent heart rhythm in the moment. Well, I think that's important is that we can learn to do this and it's not that hard, and it's a useful skill going through all that we're all going through in today's world, everything moving quick, stressful, opportunity showing up one after another. How do we make the shift? How do we maintaining a certain inter inter balance, How do we maintain our own dignity and poise in the midst of all this

stuff that we're going for it? Well, we can learn to do that through techniques like the heart math technique I'm sure others as well, and the technology measures showing you that you in fact did it. And so those combinations of technology and technique, uh put together, you know, in an easy to understand, in practical way, I think it provides a useful education and experience for people as we all are going through this grand adventure called it

is quite an adventure? How are Years ago? I took a course on dowsing, and I thought I was going to be dowsing under ground wells and water and things like that, not realizing what I signed up for was to be learning that our body can pick up things energetically. So it was really interesting. But one of the things we did with our dowsing rods has held the intention to pick up. It sounds similar to what we're talking about right now, but the like electromagnetic energy coming from

a human body. And we each had a partner, and the person doing the dowsing would ask the partner, okay, think of a like a sad time in your life, and then holding these dowsing rods out, we'd realized that it was only maybe a foot away from the body when these rods would open up, and then opposite we would say, think of the best time you had in

your life, something you're very grateful for. Having this person really start feeling his feelings, and we'd walk closer to the person and that was actually several feet away from the body, and all of a sudden these rods would open up. So I had the instincts that then you know, what we think about how we feel really is producing some kind of energy. And so to be able to see it on the court with your team's heart math, it's just to me, it's it's all tapping into the

same power. Yeah, I kind of feeling it was a hard magnetic field. It was creating these changes. And so that's a very measurable field. It's not woo woo at all talking about it. Our our or sudden energy just beused measure with something called magnet trometers, which are traditional scientific research equipment used to measure magnetic fields. And so that's where the information came from. About the three feet outside of the body. My belief as it goes a

lot further than that. If you were using something you can measure further than instead of a magnet trauma, this feel could be infinite in a certain way. That that that that feel, the changes in the feel relative to that. As the teacher was what was he asking people to do. He's asking the shift emotional state, and as emotional state shifted,

there's a different imprint in that field. The dowsing rods and the sensitivity of the dows or it could possibly be picking up on that my guests, and it's only a guess, it would be that the heart steal was probably the primary communicator in that process. Pretty great. One more thing I have done myself has done things from time to time like how to Gratitude practice twenty eight days, putting in a lot of gratitude in my life, a lot of love and appreciation, keeping a notebook, and good

things started happening in my life. So while it is subjective to myself these things and it can only be my personal experience, like I really know the power of that. But also I've looked on your heart math website and using the heart math training system and technology, I just want to read to some of the differences it's made. Improvement in the ability to focus, improvement in sleep, thirty eight percent, improvement in calmness, percent drop in anxiety, drop

in fatigue, fifty six percent drop in depression. That's massive results, it was, and it blew my mind too. That's a large, large group of people. Was like thousands of people were in those study and there were companies that's where we were doing those measurements. Based upon people in larger organizations

that were taking heart math training. We did pre in post assessments with them using a very sophisticated, scientifically validated psychometric survey, and they were in different parts of the world. Most were in the United States or Europe, but they were in different business sectors. You know, they weren't all

on the same type of company. And when I saw those results, it was really an eye opener for me as well, because you know, these changes were huge, and I guess in an essence feeling that I had when I began to review things from that type of scientific lens was that, you know, a little hard goes a long way. We only have like a day or two

to train these people. They learn some basic techniques and boom, all of a sudden, these big changes happen into large populations of people in different parts of the world doing different things. That said to me what I just said, a little hard goes a long way with people these days, and so it doesn't take as much as you might think to change the direction of a life. And I think one way or the other because I know people that are very negative and oh, first of all, it

doesn't feel good to be around them. But I do believe there's a correlation between our thinking, our emotions, and our health. So you mean you need to speak a little bit about that, because I think this could improve people's health absolutely. First of all, I don't want to applaud to you for the type of work you've done and the amount of it you've done. You've certainly been a secret and a person who's been looking to improve yourself and only that and then to give back to

others like few things like your your show. So I want to thank you for that. Um, And yeah, I mean, you know, here's the deal. You know, we all live in this vast field of information called consciousness that's feeding back to us not what we think in our minds, but we truly feel in our hearts. And it's through that relationship hard to feel that we are co creating

a lot of our own reality. We're drawing from this field what ends up being our reality, and that reality is that it can be everything right on down to our physical health. I mean, science now knows we first stare a heart. Man. They didn't know this, but today they know the direct relationship between emotions and physical health. I think it's the most important way in which we stay healthy or the ways in which we get sick.

If we want to run this type of toxic emotions through our system all the time, the anger of the upset, the sadness, the downness, all those kind of feelings, we have a right to do that. It's not about suppressing emotions. But there's a consequence to that. It begins to feedback on the body. It accelerates aging, It releases hormage into our system that we don't want an over amount of. Uh.

It begins to create nervous system chaos. Lots of things happen when those types of negative emotions are there and they sustain themselves. They're they're all the time, Howard. We have to take a quick break and when we come back, we'll find out more. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a m paranormal podcast network. The Internet is an extraordinary resource that links our children to a world of information, experiences,

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to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and just to get the records straight here, I do not make a percentage or a commission for anybody on my show. I just believe in products such as these that can help all of us move from a negative mindset to a pose of So Howard, we're just talking about the

impact negativity has. I don't see it as healthy at all, and I've see the direct correlation also when we do make these shifts, when we we find ways in which we can become let's say, more naturally appreciative us gratitude. You know, you mentioned the gratitude work that you did. It sets up a different magnetic drawal from consciousness and we become co creators in a different way. And then life begins to shape itself around what we're putting into

the field. But out more care, put out more compassion, especially especially compassion right now, More gratitude, more appreciation, more kindness. Those are not just soft, squishy emotions associated with the Valentine's version of heart. There are powerful energetic frequencies that we use proactively if we choose to to create a

very different experience of life. Yeah, and I'm also thinking too, there's got to be some connection to heart math, to tapping into our own wisdom, our own problem solving, our own answers, our own perception. Mm hmm, Yeah, there absolutely is. I mean, there's a download from spirit into humanness when we're more connected to our heart. Intuition is sort of the taxi from from that higher part of who we are down to how we perceives something. Intuition us or

the conduits it brings that information in. And yeah, there's a definite spiritual uplift and unfoldment and access to the higher form of ourselves greater awareness when we're more connected to the heart. To me, that's the that's one of the biggest benefits our approach and my personal approaches. I don't try to skip steps always. It can sound really cool to understand what's happening at a higher dimensional level, and we're gonna understand what's happening beyond the physical. Those

are all interesting things to pursue and understand. But the step that can't be skipped as we've got to manage day to day light in a different way. We can just allow rogue emotions to rule us. We can't just you know, put off dealing with some of the things that we know we need to do that we just

haven't bothered to take on. That's for me, at least, a fundamental truth is I have to put emphasis there and try to do everything I can to overcome on blocks and the things that get in my way become the best Howard Martin and I can be every day. And when I do that with consistency, then the other

stuff starts to happen naturally. But if I was to pursue, like I don't really want to understand, you know, the bigger picture from some higher dimensional level, and I didn't pay attention to what was happening around me and how I was thinking and feeling and especially how I was treating other people, that other stuff would just be a

chase from me. It would be elusive. So the scept that that most people don't really want to dig in on uh is really going to hit and dealing with some of the emotional stuff that they know they should be dealing with and I know that sounds kind of harsh, but I think that very often that part gets put off a lot in the pursuit of something that appears

to be more important or larger. I agree. Just in the past two months, Howard, I had made myself a list, and it was more like unfinished business, things that aren't working in my life, things I knew I needed to address. But I have felt happier, I have felt more at peace. And I think this is kind of talking about the same thing, looking at those things that have been causing

me stress and anxiety in life. So the more I can kind of put those things in the past and have them dealt with, there is more room for this kind of thing. So I think we're talking about the same thing here. I think let me just say this, Sandra, all of either listening to this program right now, just pay attention to what Sander just said. Forget me. If

you do that. If you do that, you're gonna come out way ahead and have you know that the intention and the courage and you know, the openness to take a look at what's left to be done, uh, and then to take some steps to go ahead and taking care of that. That's the big accelerator that is the huge growth opportunity that we all have, and it doesn't have to go on forever. Life can begin to change, and it's not an enless process of always having something

and always cleaning something out. There is a place that we get to where the yeah stuff shows up, but some of the heavy lifting can get out of the way.

And for many of us, I think people that have an interest in the type of things that we're discussing today, we don't even realize how much heavy lifting has already been done, and we keep trying to find all this stuff is wrong instead of being able to go ahead and accept how many things that are going on for us and how much we've accomplished that have been good. But when things show up, it's always good to do

that inventory. Like Sander talked about the step back and go yeah, I've done a lot of work on myself, but it's not time to be complacent. Right now, I can go ahead and appreciate all that I've done, and I can acknowledge and recognize that a lot of the big stuff is already taken care of. Now where can I find teen things? Where can I make the changes? I mean you can. You can paint your room at your house and look really good, but it doesn't really

look complete till you do the trim. Yeah, and the trim takes time, right the part you gotta get down there, and it's got you gotta be more careful not to get the paint on the wall or on the carpet and all that stuff. But you know, when the trim filing gets on in the room just sparkles and comes

to life. And so for some of us, I think today it's just a matter of let's take care of the trim right now, and boy, will we accelerate into something magnificent and new, beyond what we actually can realize, beyond what we can where our projections about what that could be will be. And that's I think, the hope

and promise for an exciting new future for everybody. I really enjoy this conversation and I hope with our you who's listening right now, maybe it's not this conversation, maybe it's about something else, but if there's something that resonates with you, follow it, follow your passions. You know, we're all here on earth for different reasons, but to have a toolbox that we get to choose a positive emotion and put it into our life and actually feel better,

have better results and things. It's like, that's what we want to do. Give you the tools, give you the toolbox. We are human beings, and as perfect as I may sound, Howard, I am far from it. You know. I deal with my own battles every day. But just getting I think it's the nature of the beast. By being humans that we have we can have negative thought patterns and who knows. Yeah, and I think, well, it's just a tricky I mean, you've got to look at these things and that same

as bad. Um, we've gotta say, okay, that is part of being human and it's sort of acknowledge but then move on. You don't have to accept it is a totality, but acknowledging it's important and not trying to be perfect. I mean, I got my my challenges as well as um saying. I mean, we all live in on the same planet right now. We're human beings. It's not easy being human. It really isn't is. It's a lot of complexity in the word we're trying to pull off here,

especially during this year of super accelerated transformation. It's not easy to do. So one of the things that I'm often encourage people to give this a shot, and I certainly try to use it myself, is it please please, please have a compassion for yourself. Give yourself the gift with a heart trying to give you, which is to

be compassionate for yourself. There'll be times when we don't feel like we've done right, when we do feel like we haven't done enough for we've made big mistakes, or we've really gone backwards, or we're really never going to get it, or we're just not good enough. Those feelings

are part of that humanness. But when you found yourself there, I encourage you to just go right straight back to your own best friend, which is your heart, and have a little conversation and say, you know what, it's okay. You know I do it myself. It's okay, a little dude. You know you're doing the best you can as a

moment is a day. Don't worry about it. Just keep moving forward and give yourself that gift to compassion that you're okay, that you know it isn't an easy time, and that you know things move forward, things move on, and don't overdwell on what you think you haven't done or what you can't do. And that's part of the progression, the trick of the mind just to want to suck you back in and say, oh no, but you can't do that. That would be so you don't deserve that.

You know you are not good enough, or yeah, that is a big mistake, and boy, you're gonna pay for that. I mean, this is all the mind stuff, right, and the heart's going. How about talking to me from a minute and getting the second opinion and it will have a different view of what that's all about. That's why, Howard I think, Oh, I'm interrupting you. I'm sorry, I'm finishing well. Just the fact and not that people have

to buy the device for heart math. But I know for myself, living in my own skin, I don't always catch myself when my mind takes off a negative thought patterns. But if I had that little thing that plugs into my iPhone handy, I could just pop it on my ear lobe and say where am I at right now in my heart and that would be something that could bring me back into the Yeah, it's useful to Yeah,

and you're right, you don't have to have it. Great analogy or MASS founder Doctority was just talking to me one day through this one analogy which I still remember and love, and he said, yeah, you don't have to have technology to pursue your heart. Work is certainly not necessary. And he qualified that about three different ways, and then he said, but you know, you don't really have to have a GPS in your car to get around either.

We never had them for a long time. We would figuring it out a different way using maps and polluting into the service station and all that. He said, but sure it's nice to having on one, isn't it. Yes, it is. And so the same thing, You don't have to have technology or anything like that to pursue your heart. And we've all pursued our hearts for a long time of that need that, but now that there is technology

that can assist us, it's gold to have it. M H. And I am of the belief the more positively feel, the more good things happen, and just based on my own life, so yeah, why not. Can you talk a little bit about the books. Yeah, we've the Heart Mass published a bunch of books I co author to I called my first one with Doc Shouldery. It was a

book called The Heart Mass Solution. And what people say about that book, you know what sometimes people say when they're introduced to me on a program like yours or whatever. It's become the definitive work on the intelligence of the heart of true classic kind of thing. It sold a lot of books, and it's been around a long time. It's you know, most books have a pretty short shelf life of a few years. But Harper Collins, who published this book, is still publishing it today. And it was

the first release. I wrote a second book with Doc Shouldery and with two other Hart Math founding people, called Hard Intelligence Relationships two thousand and sixteen. It went to number one on Amazon in three different categories for a day or two. So it got off to a really good start. And so it's a you know, it's a book about the intelligence of the heart and about the science behind it, and about some of the things that have been accomplished the people, you know, making some changes

to access more of their hearts intelligence. And so the books are good books. Today, I think um play a different role than they used to. Many people like audio books better. Heart Heart Mass Solution was just released in an audio book. You know after this many years and certainly you know reading things electronically, etcetera is the way people do it. It's time for our last break, and when we come back, we'll find out a little bit. Can we change this moment that we're experiencing right now?

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How do you change that moment right now? How do you make that shift inside from the stress and the anxiety and the frustration into a more peaceful, calm place that's healing the moment. As we heal the moments they strained together, and as they strained together, what happens is while we whether we realize it or not, we're really

rewriting what's going to happen in the future. It goes back to an earlier part of our conversation about how we are actually co creating reality and so happens moment to moment Here on the moment, each and every moment of every day, is best we can allowing for a humanness, allowing for the challenges that life presents. Between coming back

to the hearts. Great. Lining back to the heart and doing that with consistency is like writing a niche story of our life, a feature story, and that feature eventually comes into manifest station into the moment. But we're rewriting that feature and say that requires a little structure. I want to ask you to remember, well, I wasn't alive when the people of the Earth believed that the Earth was flat, but eventually mankind got that the planet is around.

When the day comes that people believe, embrace and that tipping point has occurred, that people understand heart math and the difference that our emotions play and what our heart does in this electromagnetic field and coherence. When the day that tipping point happens, what do you visualize could happen. It's happening already. It's not gonna it's not gonna be in a big bang. It takes time to integrate. What's

happening is we're going through a dimensional shifting consciousness. We're moving from a third dimensional based consciousness into not just the fourth dimension, but the higher fourth dimension. That's one of the biggest is probably the biggest shift ever in the history of humanity. It is a dimension and a half shift, and it's happening in a relatively short amount of time. But it's not gonna be like all of a sudden one today, this big blast of energy hits

and we all wake up and everything's cool. It doesn't work that way. It has to be stepped in. It has to be brought in, then grounded, and then more brought in, more integrated and grounded, and it's stepping stones this way up. It's happening fast right now. It's actually happening as fast as we can handle it. The world is going through a lot of change. You see the chaos happening in the world. At chaos, there's no accident. You know. The world is changing and shifting and is

pushing the envelope on every single aspect. There is a human kind in society and the systems that we've used to guide it, and so that's happening pretty quick, and the chaos is about all we can in or right now. So it's gonna happening. It is happening, and it's a matter of you know, I think we are still controlling your time some on how long it takes before that baseline shift is really solid. What we have control over is whether we can make that a faster or slower process.

But more importantly, we have some influence over how gentle and kind it can be, and that's where they're putting the heart outs the most important. The world's gonna rock and roll some for a while, but we can make it as kind of general process as we him. And there's so many things that could have been worse that weren't. If we go back and begin to look at it, we can see that there's a lot of progression going on, a lot of facilitation, a lot of growth that's happening.

Humanity is responding well to the changes. Despite all the craziness and aberrant behavior that we see, we're really headed in the right direction. One of the keys to it, though, is to be patient, to recognize you gotta let it unfold. You gotta keep putting your best foot forward and of the world, making the contributions you can make to the lives of others, and then let things happen. And it's not gonna happen overnight, but in our lifetimes we will

see some significant changes. Uh. They give us, I think verifications that guess what the shift's happening. Yeah, I'm just thinking about a rose. You can't force it to come out of the ground, and you can't force the bud to open. It takes time, no matter how much you water and how much sunlight, it takes time. I know it is now. I'm working on that my whole life. Remember, I'm always wanting to be a little bit ahead of where things are. I tend to live in the fissure

and not in the past or the moment. And one time again Doc Shorty was breaking me down a little bit, me some pictures on me. He said, you know, he said, do you like those racehorses and they are in that thing before they open the gate, and they're just bucking around in that thing. You know, just can't wait to blast out of the gate. He said, you're like that, he said, but you do worse. He said, You're like a racehorse that realized as he can't bug to so he gets on his knees and try has to crawl

underneath the thing. That is so funny. But have you ever found have you ever found? Howard? No matter how fast we wanted to be, or if we think we should be somewhere else by now, then all of a sudden, maybe you sit next to somebody on the airplane and you think, you know what, I was meant to be here to have that conversation, and you realize you need to be exactly right. And I learned this over time, and I'm sure we all do. Um. It just takes

a little practice, that's all. But yeah, you're right. It's just we recognize that there's a flow to light and when we accept that flow, then you know, we begin to see the magic at all. It's our resistances to it when he things to be different than they are that often create you know, the choppiness and the flow that leads to a lack of real fulfillment. I thought of something else too, while we're talking about all this. You ever be around people that you know you feel

the good vibes? Do you feel like you just want to hang around them, you know, but you feel it feels good. I can't help but think this is tied in to that to heart math. It's about resonance. You know, some we resonate with some people more than others. But there are people that you know, it's there's a sort

of energy that they put out. It didn't even have to be a big personality or something but they put out a certain energy that gives us a feeling and you sense that, and we resonate with some people that have that more than we do others. But yeah, there's people in our lives that's kind of why we like hanging out with it because they how they make us feel by just having this conversation. We can be those people by in putting breathing through our heart and bringing

in the emotions of love and gratitude and appreciation. When people know us to be one of those good feeling people, they're good feeling and you know, and I think that might be an explanation why I've recently been attracting some really cool and fun and great people up to things is what I'm putting out there so we can choose to be that we can And that's the big choice

that we all need to make, you know. And Uh, it isn't totally linear to where we make these speak changes and all of a sudden, life just feeds back everything perfect to us. But we have to look at it in terms of listening to use the term ratios, how much the things begin to go better than they used to, you know, Uh, often does something cool happen

in our life that we were not expecting. But it doesn't work always totally linearly, because we've had our own soul working with us, and he's setting up a lot of different geometries for our own growth, and so the things wen't always just match handing up with what we I'm putting into the world. But my feeling is when we had more heart, whatever that means to whoever is listening right now, when we add more heart into whatever we do, we never lose heart. It doesn't compete with anything.

We can only gain from that, So why not. That's the philosophy that I've tried to live my life with Howard. I've really enjoyed this, and in the beginning I said, you know, keep your seatbelt buckled. That's how I feel. It's just really been great. Is there any questions I should have asked you that I haven't, or any closing words or anything. Well, first of all, let me just say you've been a good interview. I've really enjoyed our

conversation as well. Feels very easy for me to talk with you, very natural and flowing kind of feeling in at all, and that's always enjoyable for me. So thank you. For that and for having me, you know, as a part of your program. Um in your closing comments would just be things I've already said, just a little recap. Please have compassion for yourself if you don't remember anything else, trying to trying to do a little bit more that that'll get you a long way. And you're actually serving

other people when you do that. It may not seem that way, and it may seem self centered, but it's not because you're making changes in yourself that are putting out a different kind of energy that's feeding that bigger field that we all live in. And therefore you're helping others to lift their spirits by lifting yours to the power of your own self compassion. So I urge you to do that. And then basically, you know, listen to and follow your heart. You know, uh, let it be

your God. Learn to trust you more. Learning it's you know, it's your own best friend. It's there to help you out and give you some insights and some perspectives to help navigate life. Um, just be counter to other human beings, a little more understanding of people, even when their behavior doesn't match what you think it should be. Try to have a little bit more latitude, a little more compassionate, little more of a neutral and less judgmental perspective on things.

These simple things like that are are the keys, and they're very, very powerful. And when we do those that it will open us up to more of the stuff that's really kind of fun. It has more sizzle, like more intuitional downloads, more insights into what's happening in the bigger picture of things that's happening in other side type activities and things like that. Whatever we need to know about all that will come as we begin to manifest

more of own hearts qualities. So whether you do it through heart math or whether you find it other ways to do it, all doesn't matter to me that you truly found and connect with your own horror in some way. Just please, you know, learn to accept and trust your own best friend, your heart. That's beautiful, really good. This is we an episode I listened to repeatedly, great advice, Howard. Thank you so much for being our guest here today.

My pleasure, and I hope we have a chance to meet some time, or that we get to do this on your show again. I have a funny feeling both will occur okay, care and by everybody who's been listening, thanks and for our listeners, thank you for taking the time to listen. But I want to tell you something else. Don't go away just yet. Dr mass root Amoto. You might have heard about him with the messages in water. Really good thing to google. But there's a scientific experiment

he did with the people in Japan. He had families boiled one pot of rice and split the rice into two glass jars. And in one room, place one glass jar and talk to the rice, say loving things, sing happy songs, think happy thoughts, happy positive thoughts. And in the other room, put the other jar of rice into that room negativity. And after the end of the month, he had people gather the two jars of rice. The rice that was in the negative room spoken to negatively,

and negative emotions felt around that rice. The end of the month, it was black and it smelled foul. The other jar of rice was a golden color and smelled nutty. So this just goes to show that we do emit something from our souls, from our being, from our auras. You can also try that experiment with bananas. Banana in one room, banana in the other. So you my friends are much more powerful than you give yourself credit. For

a reminder to go to heart math dot com. There's even a free heart math experience that you can do, and our home base is we Don't Die dot com. I'm Sandra's Champlain and I really want to thank you sincerely for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a m paranormal podcast network. And if you like this episode of Shades of the Afterlife, wait until you hear the next one.

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