Episode 239: A Voice from Beyond: Insights on Heaven & Earth

with an anniversary like that. But then I think of the chain of events that brought me here with you today, and we couldn't be here without my dad passing exactly the way he did. Me hitting rock bottom to discover the world of grief and why people do some crazy things while grieving and relationships come apart, followed by my third to discover as much information about the afterlife? Is

it real? How do we communicate? And certainly I learned a bunch before my dad passed, and then after he died, I wanted to know even more, which eventually led me to writing my book We Don't Die, a skeptics discovery of life after death, followed by my podcast which still exists on YouTube called We Don't Die, where I still interview people one on one. And then as magic happened, that wonderful call from producer Tom from Coast to Coast am asking if I would be the host of Shades

of the Afterlife. So many years later, my heart is filled with love and none of that could have happened without Dad going just the way he did and when he did fifteen years ago. So Dad, this one's for you, and also my friends. What may seem like the worst pain and grief you could ever imagine right now, you never know a few years in the future how your words and your journey might be the thing that someone else needs to hear, or it could lead you to

a place you couldn't even dream of. Now, Why did I wake up so tired and yet so happy? I have had a secret project going on the past few months. You've heard probably my episodes with Scott Milligan and mister Eric, who speaks through Scott in the Trance State. If you haven't, the words are spectacular. Over the past five years, we've held these question and answer sessions about life, death and the afterlife, and I've compiled the top questions that have

been asked of our friend in the afterlife. I've had them transcribed, and secretly I've been putting them all together into a book. The news is when I woke up this morning, the book was on Amazon ready for purchase. Today is also the anniversary of Scott when he first began sitting as a medium twenty eight years ago. Is it a coincidence that Amazon had it ready the same day as his anniversary. I don't know, but it sure

is reason for celebration. So I was up at three in the morning, got the news from Amazon, shared it with Scott. I'm sharing it with the world. The book is called Conversations with Eric, Life, Death and the Afterlife through the Closed Eyes of a Trance Medium. Today, on our show, we're going to celebrate. I want to read some from the book, and I want to play for you some words from Eric that only a few other people have heard, a question that I asked him this

past week in one of our classes. So sit back, relax, and let me read a little to you. First, I'd like to read Scott Milligan's introduction on May second, nineteen ninety seven. My journey as a physical medium began when I was only a teenager. I sat with strangers once a week in John Austin's home circle, and the seed began to grow within me. On that very first sitting,

the question was asked, is anyone there? Then mighty bangs sounded on the wall that made me jump on the eleventh sitting a voice manifested in the air, separate from anyone, and the voice called out from the dark. After that, nothing for two and a half years. But within those years, every night I sat in the home circles of others, including Colin Fry, Stuart Alexander, David Thompson, and Joan Avison. These four people had the gift of physical mediumship. They

sat and through their senses, unbelievable things occurred. I didn't realize that I was developing within those home circles as I was being used in service of others. Two and a half year years later, the mist in the air seemed to intensify again, this feeling, this presence started to build. The invisible voices in my home circle started to whisper. Then, from deep within me, a voice started to say the word yes. I couldn't tell you where it came from,

but it felt as it came from my stomach. Over time, this word yes kept repeating in my mind, feeling like it was getting bigger and bigger. I couldn't move away from it, so I thought, well, I'm just going to say it. When I spoke, Instead of the word yes coming out, it sounded like yesh. Every time I wanted to say yes, it came out yes, and I couldn't control it. Suddenly the voice broke again and said yes, So now we come to speak to our brothers and

sisters of the joining of our world and yours. That voice that seemed to have come from me started to move me from believing to knowing that the these unseen people were a part of my life. Very rapidly. In over the next few sittings, the voice started to get stronger and stronger. That was the beginning of my relationship with my workers, my friends morning Star, Daniel and Eric, who speak through me while I am in the trance state.

Morning Star was the first to come and spoke the words, so now we come to speak to our brothers and sisters of the joining of our World's morning Star, while he was on Earth, was known as Dull Knife, and he was a great chief of the Cheyenne people in America. He would come frequently in the early days to win the reason of the circle. Daniel is my younger friend who calls everyone ducks or duckies. Daniel brings joy and humor to the circle, which builds the necessary power for

phenomena to occur. Mister Eric Robert Johnston is a Victorian man and his education is beyond my comprehension. He communicates regularly through me and our trance demonstrations. Eric never shies away from a question and always answers with dignity and respect. Eric reminds us that he is not a guide, he is a friend. He often reminds me of the importance

of being of service, not having a big ego. One time, when I became quite big headed, Eric said to me, if you desire to be a star, my boy, you will, But all stars fade and turn to dust. Those who contribute to humanity will live forever in the hearts and minds of your tomorrows. Eric's philosophy is profound and thought provoking, and he never hesitates in his speech. When I talk, I stutter a little with a few ums and things like that. There's none of that in the spirit world,

which shows their intelligence. When a medium is under the influence of the spirit, their words seem to flow like a river. At one of the trance question and answer sessions, we had a high ranking member of the police force attend. While while I was entranced, this very educated man was speaking to Eric about physics, and Eric was answering his questions easily. I am dyslexic and was found to be dyslexic at the late age of eleven. They said, I

had a reading age of about five years old. I'm not very educated and failed all my GCSE exams, only getting c's and d's. You will witness Eric's high level of education on the following pages. Also, Eric is very clever. He will answer questions that someone has not verbalized and only thought about. Eric and my other friends remind me that those in the spirit world are but a foot away.

Although he has asked many questions, Eric often says there are no answers, there are only questions that lead to greater questions. He is a humble friend and shares that the words he speaks are not only his words, but they are the voice of many. He refers to me as the one we love what trancey is and what the experience feels like. I simply close my eyes and just sit there, usually listening to three songs, not trying

to pay attention to my busy mind. During those songs, I feel quite heavy, as if I'm going to sleep. My spirit friends gently blend their energy with mine to use my vocal chords to speak through me. The voice may change, It may sound older or younger. It may sound like someone who lived long ago. My friends who work with me once lived earthly lives that can be proven. This is true trance mediumship, which people confuse with channeling.

Channeling cannot be proven. Many believe they are channeling angels, ascended masters, and guides, but channeling comes from the soul. Channeling can bring some powerful words of philosophy, but trance involves a discarnate mind of someone who once walked this earth. Life changed for us all in March twenty twenty. I had been trayed traveling, teaching and demonstrating trance and physical mediumship, but that was all put on pause when the COVID

nineteen pandemic impacted the planet. My good friend Sandra Champlain encouraged me to begin teaching and demonstrating trance mediumship online. As we were all in lockdown and people were interested, we began. I am grateful that people who had no prior knowledge of physical and trance mediumship were interested in developing their medium abilities. Many just wanted to quiet their busy minds to feel the love from their family and

friends who have passed away. Many now have discovered the power of home circles and are inviting their spirit friends into their homes weekly. Although the world has opened and I am traveling again, we still have our Zoom online classes. In addition, over the years, we have held many online events called in the Arms of Eternity, where people from all over the world join us on Zoom. We begin by sending healing to all of those in need. Gentle music plays in the background as I lead the group

into this healing. At some point, that sleepy feeling comes over me. My voice becomes quiet, and I drift into the trance state. I am told by Sandra that usually after twenty minutes, the voice of Eric speaks through me and delivers words of philosophy for all. Then members of our group are invited to ask Eric questions or to have him speak on topics regarding life, death, or the afterlife. At the time of this book publication, we have well

over two hundred hours of these sittings. Conversations with Eric was compiled from transcripts of actual sittings, containing some of Eric's most powerful words on the most requested subjects. Eric's words are profound, enlightening, and comforting. It is my sincere wish that mister Eric Robert Johnston's words and philosophy find their way into the hearts and minds of many. Scott Milligan more words.

only the publisher. I wrote the forward, so I'll read that to you now and you'll get a little more understanding of why this is so important to me. I would have never imagined spending over two hundred hours of my life talking to an old dead man. Not just any dead man, but the wisest, most compassionate, loving and non judgmental gentleman named mister Eric Robert Johnston, who lived in the Victorian era in England and passed away near

the end of the eighteen hundreds. You see, I was a skeptic about the afterlife, mediums and all talk of other worldly people, places, or beings. I wasn't just skeptical. I had a big ego and spoke very negatively of people interested in spirituality or the metaphysical.

I have dedicated well over twenty five years of my life to studying the various reasons to believe, authored and international best selling book titled We Don't Die, a skeptics Discovery of Life after Death, and I host two podcasts, We Don't Die and Shades of the Afterlife, which together encompass well over seven hundred hours of episodes featuring conversations with experts and everyday folks on the many reasons to believe that we survive physical death. There are numerous reasons

to believe in the afterlife. Some of my favorites include vertical near death experiences, induced after death, communication therapy, deathbed visitations and the world of audio and visual trans communication. However, the one that brings me the most comfort are our conversations with Eric. In November twenty sixteen, during my never ending search for afterlife evidence, I was introduced to a

young man named Scott Milligan. I had heard about physical mediumship, a rare form of communication where voices of discarnate spirits could be heard in the darkness of a seance room. These voices were said to be those of our deceased loved ones and others spirit helpers, doing their best to prove that our consciousness continues after physical death through the phenomena they deliver. Of course, this sounded too good to be true, but there is only one way to find out.

So I took a three thousand mile journey from my home in the United States to a small town in southeastern England. I have always been so passionate about investigating the afterlife, knowing firsthand the difference it would make to others who fear death or have experienced deep grief after the passing of a loved one. The five day retreat opened to my eyes and heart in a way nothing else could. I experienced three kinds of mediumship, evidential, physical

and trance. My heart was filled with love seeing evidential mediums giving platform demonstrations, delivering words from loved ones in the spirit world. We received training and experienced that we are all mediums and how the spirit world communicates through our thoughts and feelings ways we previously thought was just our imagination. I will save my experience with physical mediumship for Scott's next book, but what I can tell you is that it brought the joy of Christmas back to me.

Voices do communicate in the darkness. Phenomena occurred that was so joyful, and all who witnessed it were left in a state of awe and filled with love for humanity and the unseen world. Toward the end of the retreat, I had my first experience of trance mediumship. This young man named Scott Milligan sat in front of the group and closed his eyes. Music was played that seemed to lull him into a different state of consciousness. After some time,

a much different voice spoke from Scott's mouth. This was the voice of Eric. Eric speaks in a way that we do not speak today, filled with pleasantries and proper etiquette. He has a deep voice and used some vocabulary that was used long ago. During Scott's trance demonstration, Eric shared words of philosophy about life, death, and the reality of the afterlife. I hung onto every word and was overjoyed at what I was witnessing. Eric asked the audience if

we had any questions. With a mix of curiosity and uncertainty, I introduced myself to Eric. Eric always asks I trust you or well. I told him I was well. Indeed, the question I had was about suffering. My dad passed away from cancer and suffered terribly at the end. I wanted to know why we human beings must endure pain and suffering and if it served any purpose. Eric's answer was lengthy, but here are some words that comforted me.

In his response, Well, I have to say to you it does help to enrich the soul's experience because you won't experience it in our world. Suffering is a byproduct of being alive. Your body is fragile and filled with senses. The body is a miracle. Once you are born, it starts to kill itself, but it kills itself so you can renew. In our world, if you are to cut into the skin, it causes such pain, but The body then learns how to cope with the cut, and it

starts to bring what has been separated back together. But I have to say to you that when you are alive and experience pain for yourself, it is terribly distressing. The only hope I can give you is that it lasts only for a short period of time, and when you come to our side of life, the physical pain

goes back to the earth. You arrive in the state of familiarity, where everything is familiar to you, and you receive the proper education, are reunited with your love ones, and then you can move into the greater world of spirit. We hear the cry of those who are left behind, and no matter how loudly we shout, we are still with you. Sadly, your earthly ears do not hear us,

so we must come to you in dreams. But then when you are awake and tears stream down your face, you say, oh, it was only a dream, and we must work incredibly hard to convince you to allow you to live again. We draw close to give you a healing bomb to wipe away those tears, and embrace you and tell you that it will be okay. In your world. People leave you and our world people join you, and so they will leave you for a moment in your

world physically. But when it is your time, when our world surrounds you, we get excited that you are arriving. A sense of peace will wash over you, a sense of calm because you, your soul knows the natural progression to our world. So, in answer to your question, pain is a byproduct of being alive, but you will not experience it in our world. Those words made such a difference for me, and in another question, I learned that if the body is suffering, the soul can move to

the unseen world even before the body dies. None of us wish to suffer or want our loved ones to experience pain. The next four years, I spent as much time as I could with Scott and his spirit team. I made regular trips to London, taking a taxi an hour and a half each way, just to discover trance and have an opportunity to sit with Scott, my soul

and the spirit world. I am pleased to know that we all have our own spirit teams, and that Eric and Scott's other friends are companions to us all, and that love is always available to us from the invisible world around us. Quieting the mind is the way to communicate with our soul, our loved ones, and those invisible

that accompany us in our lives. Scott and I quickly became good friends, and in twenty twenty we began offering Trance and the Altered States classes on Zoom and weekly sessions called in the Arms of Eternity, sending much needed healing to the people of the world, followed by a demonstration of trance. I have been the host and facilitator of these online sessions. Scott begins by gently leading us into healing, listening to soft music, and then becomes quiet,

inviting his friends to join him. All sessions are experimental and we never know what is going to happen. However, what typically happens is Eric speaks through Scott, providing philosophy on a topic that is important to him. Then there's always an opportunity for our Zoom audience to ask questions or have Eric speak on a topic of their choosing. Audience members type their questions in the question and answer box on Zoom, and I am the only person who

can see those questions. From time to time, Eric surprises me and reads the questions before I am able to voice them. I've often wondered if he can see through my eyes, but he assures me that he knows the questions in people's hearts. Over the past few years, we have had hundreds of hours of words from mister Eric. He says that although his voice is the voice we hear, he is the voice of many who work with him, doing their very best to comfort and empower those of

us here on earth. Within these pages you will discover the most frequently asked questions about topics important to us. All these questions have been answered and transcribed from our sessions. They have been and edited only slightly for correct punctuation and for ease of reading, but the passionate words are from our friend Eric. One final note. Out of the twenty five plus years I have been investigating the afterlife, the best and most comforting evidence I know and look

forward to is our conversations with Eric. I trust you will enjoy his words and invite you to join us sometime for our in the arms of eternity and discover Eric's answers to your most important questions. I hope you like my introduction. The book is broken down into fifty two different topics, things like reunions with our children and pets, the halls of learning, Who is Eric? Automatic writing? How does spiritual healing work? Do our loved ones? Miss us?

The holidays and grief? Dreaming? Our purpose in life? What does your world look like? How can we connect with our loved ones forgiveness, romance, near death experiences? And many more. When we get back from our break, you're going to meet Eric and here a very fascinating conversation I just had with him this past week. Let's go to the break and we'll be right back with a conversation with Eric. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio

and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and talking about our new book Conversations with Eric. What if you could talk to somebody in the unseen world who lives in the afterlife? What would you ask them? And in this segment, I want you to hear from Eric himself. Get to know the man that I speak with week after week. The recordings in the book are all from

our Friday sessions called in the arms of eternity. However, every month with Scott Milligan, we have a class called Trance and the Altered States. Some people who join us are interested in becoming trance mediums. Some just want to feel the love from the spirit world or their loved ones, or connect to their guides. Becoming this kind of a medium requires a lot of what's called sitting in the

power and sitting to blend with the unseen world. We meet for four sessions a month, and on the last session Scott always provides for our class a private trance demonstration with questions and answers. This past week, mister Eric came to address the group and no one had a question, so I asked a question that I hope will make you smile. Let me introduce you to our friend in spirit, mister Eric Robert Johnston.

create such beauty, and quite rightly so. But then you say that.

move to other contebries, and it felt so different. Their behaviors were foreign to you, including the earth, land, the nature. And therefore you try to recreate in that foreign land that seems familiar, And then it starts to change from what it was to where it is now. Your world is ever changing, but our world also must change with it. For the vibration in which you enter is a state of familiarity. It is familiar to you, so you come a custom from changing your thoughts from one vibration to

the next. We pray for all of you to find heaven in your world, which is peace. But if heaven exists in your world, so must hell, for it has to have night and day. If you don't have hell, you won't know what heaven is and which one is more pleasing. Fire you see the beauty because, my friend, you have seen the world in a different way. You have lived a fast paced life where you've had to

cater for others needs when they are enjoying themselves. You are stressed because you have target, you have employment, and now, my friends, you now see the world to be different. Or you have earned your stripes and you have moved from your residence to a different place where nature has more opportunity. The natural law of attraction is in operation

all and around you. You attract those of like minds, But equally in your world you can attract people who see you to be awfully different, and therefore they may wish to harm you. This is why your world knows both. In our world, the natural law of attraction is in operation, and therefore you will not have interaction with any individual or animal that will do you harm or you them harm. If you can imagine, if your mind would love it.

You say that you see beauty in heaven in your world, and quite rightly sow, my friends, but it will not prepare you efficiently to what the beauty of our world has to offer. If you truly saw what we know, you'll find it difficult to exist within your reality. You have, my friends, dreams that are so peaceful when you choose to extend those dreams, even though if the world is calling you back when you wake, my friend, then you

call it a dream as it has been expressed. But you then wish the day away to the time that you can rest again and get lost within your imagination. But all world is beyond anything your mind can create. The color not of your spectrum, sound not of your frequency. And time, my friend, where your body will not be exhausted. There is no time for you to sleep in actuality, my friends, but for us to commune with you. We must revert back to that photo press. It aids us

to lower our vibration back to your earth. But my friends, think of all the species that does not exist in your world. There is no photograph, no painting that will truly do justice, and it doesn't show their personality. Maybe it is because, my friends, but that species that functioned as a consciousness moved into the reality that this world has served its papers woe. Mankind eventually realized that it is time that it has served its purpose and no

longer live within your world. What will come of the residents, the statues, the stones that mankind has made. Will it become an irritant? Or has the earth found a way? Like a stream that's disrupted can always find its flow again. This world in which you live, a former world in which I used to know, is part of the soul's progression, so it becomes vers. Your world has to offer a sense of peace, but it also has to give you the opportunity of detachment that you can leave it behind.

Your world will always be the most densest form of creation because thought can be light and heavy, and your world is increasingly heavy. Because modern technology thribes on negativity. Those who claim to sell the rag, speak through the wireless, or show themselves on the devil's bobs, finds it more invigorating to speak of negativity, which then puts one in the hearts of those who observe or listen. Then therefore a vibration goes out again and feeds the negative beast.

So my friends find heaven. Of course, is our dear friend, Sadra said, by the colors of the birds, the colors of the leaves. But I wonder if my friends, that those who live in the local are surroundings sees the same beauty as the one that's just inquired. Do the animals feel safe or have they been so fickle to be persuaded by the hand that feeds them and in return does the ray of dance by flying back and

forth and running back and wark. If all people in your world treated all life, no matter what form it has taken, with us no respect, then it will be a glimpse, only a glimpse. My fan of the world that'll wait.

appreciate it, I really do. So let's go to the break and we'll be right back with more of mister Eric. You're listening to Shades.

by his world. He was mentioning that if we treat each other with kindness like I show the birds, it would be a whole different kind of Earth. He's got more to say on this topic, So let's continue.

But if the animal was given love and respect, even though it may have been euphanized, it will have interaction. But it will not be confined within a cave separated by barriers. It will be allowed to interact. But if the observer can only see it in a cage, that is how it will be presented. But then we will work and the cage will then fade away to walk in the natural habitat and see the animal be what

it was meant to be. Equally, with this thought, my friends, it extends to people in your world, people who have had impact in your world in a negative capacity will still be within our world, but the vibration will be so different you will not see or interact with each other. Like expressions that I have shared with you previously, that when you look to the Moon, you see a planet of dust because you are born to this vibration. This

is the vibration that you know. But if someone was conceived and then born in the vibration of the Moon, its habitat would not be a planet of dust. It'd be full of activity. But it will look to the Earth and see a planet of dust. It is the vibration that it was born and nourished in. My friends, So when they come to our side of life, they will be in a vibration, even though it will be real to them. They will not see you, and you

will not see them. Because it serves no purpose to have grievance, even though that one may seek forgiveness, it is no purpose in the state of minerality. Now, I did not come here to say that I am God, and therefore I cannot question God. But certain individuals that has caused mass impact. These individuals do not exist anymore within our reality. We see Eric, my friend, for how is that possible? You have just said, everythinking this world

comes to yours. The purpose of life is to destroy self. The imperfections of sealth the individuals that we speak of that cause mass exodus and mass trauma. These individuals, when they come to our side of life, are instantly absorbed into consciousness. They do not then meet with their family, They do not have the experiences of learning through the layers of our world. They just simply are exhausted, and

therefore they do not exist. There are some who create the own vibration where my friends is increasingly difficult, but not impossible for us to reach them. But they're so blindsighted, deep within their traditions, and therefore, my friends, we sometimes require strength from you, who have still knowledge of these conditions of hatred, love and compassion, of volatility, and therefore within the power that we are trying to dissolve the

darkness around them. You can assist us, but that is merely preparing you for the great work when you come to our side of life. If you are skilled in such a capacity of communicating, like I am doing now, then you'll be used. If it is your wish train within the wholes of learning, to be a voice, but a voice that expresses itself through multiple channels of thought, be it in dream awake, inspiration and meditation, entrancement, or in the imagination of young minds. But my friends, your

world did not copy our world. We copied yours. If it is your will, my friends, that we must now come to a place where questions may arise within your minds. But the questions that you think of must lead you to a greater question. I cannot tell you how your life will unfold, for it is your choice. The certainty that I give you is that you will come to our reality. We will meet, and then you will see those who have inspired you. You'll see your family, animals.

If you're with attachments to plants and other trinkets of familiaralities, you'll be taken to residents. This is very pleasing fire. You will come to the summer land, and you'll rest the rest knowing that the world that was so real to you has served its benign papers. Your world is the short part of the journey. Your whole, your breath when you see the beauty of our reality, For what you breathe in your world is no different to accept

in love. Within our reality, Love will move through you all and you will continue to seek out knowledge, and you'll continue to thrive in a world that knows no war. Good day to you, my friend.

always kind, always compassionate. It's really something spectacular to behold. Now, Scott, his mind has checked out, but it looks like him doing the talking, and of course it's Eric speaking through him. We all have inspirers working with us. They come through our mind, often in our own voice. You might get an idea out of nowhere. It may be our soul, it may be them. But we have loved ones and helpers on the other side, working with each and every

one of us. We do. This new book is called Conversations with Eric, Life, Death and the Afterlife through the Closed Eyes of a Trance Medium. On my website, we Don't Die dot com. If you want to watch some of the past replays, you can watch them for free. Just go to the store page and scroll to the bottom. There's tons of in the arms of Eternity that are there for you to enjoy. To behold a trance demonstration in person or a physical medium seance with this phenomena

happening is incredible. Scott and friends, they'll be traveling through the United States and Europe and you can see what's coming up, including our online events. Just go to the Scott page at Weedon'tdie dot com. My friend, there is more to life than meets THEI, and more to you than you know. Just realize, down to our tiniest particle, all we are is invisible, vibrating energy. It's an illusion and a very good one of us being alive and real. And I know there's pain and suffering, but there's a

much bigger picture. You are important, you are loved. Life is an education for the soul. You're here to dream, to explore, to make mistakes, to love, to forgive. So give yourself a big hug. You're just where you need to be on the journey. You never know what's right around the corner for you. Good things. I hope, don't forget. Come visit me at We Don't die dot com. Come to a free Sunday gathering. Come a few minutes early and say hello to me. I would love that our

time together for today is over. I hope you enjoyed it. I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you so much for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Hairinormal podcast Network.