1: The Case of Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell

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So today let me break down what we are going to be talking about because it's one that I feel like so many people are familiar with already, but there are a lot of nuances. in this case that either people are forgetting about completely or they have no idea about them and have no idea why people are so obsessed with this case and why people are referring to it as the trial of the sentence.

which I feel like I have been saying that tagline for so many cases lately because there have been s so many trials lately that are headline trials that are deemed the trial of the century. But this is one of the main ones that so many people, myself included, have been waiting for.

uh da da da da da drumroll as the trial of the century begins with jury selection beginning already this week as I'm recording the first week of April. It's the Lori Vallo and Chad Daybell case. It is fully underway and it is back

So, most recently, Lori and Chad's cases were severed by the judge. Originally, they were going to be tried together, and now they are going to have two separate trials. Also, the judge ruled to take the death penalty off the table for Laurie, and that was due to late disclosures of discovery by the prosecution, which a lot of people feel was just an But in any event, their trial, which was supposed to once upon a time be joined, is now set.

But a lot of people wonder, myself included, will they flip?

Now, by the time this episode is released, I'm recording this right now a few days into jury selection. I have a feeling it's going to be the evidence portion of the trial already. So this case is just very confusing. There's a lot of details. So what we're gonna do is kind of like Circle back, do a deep dive from the very beginning because like I said, there are a lot of nuances that people have forgotten about and a lot of details that many people aren't even aware about in this case.

So we're gonna kind of go through the full dark tangled web of the two of you. People. So buckle up and get ready for an honest, at times roast like conversation about this crazy ass doomsday couple that has now captured the world. Nothing is off limits here guys and I am saying nothing

at all because I hate these two people personally. I think they're evil. So I'm gonna do my best to break everything down for you as we head into this circus and what I can only imagine is going to also be a circus of advantage. So let's take it back to the very beginning when the world was first introduced to Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell. On the mysterious case that is

And that's because that's where the web really starts to get tangled and we start to see our first casualties and a pattern of behavior start to truly take form and begin. Lori grew up with four other siblings, two brothers and two sisters. Lori's parents, Janice and Barry, are devout members of the Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints faith, or Mormon faith, and they raised all of their children to also be practicing Mormon.

While growing up, Lori was quiet, was also a very sweet girl, she loved going to church and was completely dedicated to her faith, which great, not a problem, you wouldn't think many people are dedicated to their faith and don't go on to become cult members and get accused of killing their children but to each their own. Now, as an adult, Lori really liked to get married and I'm talking like

She's been married five times. That's not to shame anybody who is searching for their soulmate and gets married multiple times, but you'll see that her marriages were constantly suspicious or ended under suspicious circumstances. Her first marriage was right out of high school, and it quickly ended in divorce.

She was married again in nineteen ninety five to a man named William, and then together they had a son named Colby. William filed for a divorce shortly after having Colby about a year later and their divorce was finalized in nineteen ninety seven. Then in 2001, in her third marriage, Lori married another man named Joe Ryan. Colby's biological dad, William, was no longer in the picture anymore, so Joe adopted Colby after the two of them got married.

Soon after the couple had a daughter, who they named Tyler. Colby absolutely loved his new little sister, Tyle, and was so excited to have a little sister. And Kylie was just a precious little baby girl. I mean, so cute, just an absolute The family of four was living in Austin, Texas around this time, and you would think just was a happy family, and that she's now finally found her perfect match, they had these two children, everything was great.

Lori also considered herself a beauty queen and competed in the Miss Texas pageant in two thousand four.

I've never really had a revelation myself from God personally. No shame to those who have, but I would think that God telling you you're going to be on a game show is probably not normally in line with the other revelations that he gives, but again, I've never had one, so who am I to judge, I guess?

But according to this relative, this was a recurring theme throughout Lori's life, and whenever things would happen, she would make very similar comments because she would want people to know that she was close with God. or was somehow special due to her ability to speak with God. So it would be

This is God's will or God told me I was going to be on a wheel of fortune. God told me this marriage wasn't right. God told me my children are zombies, which we're getting to that guys. So This is again my personal opinion here, but I feel like Laurie Is a nut job, to say the least?

Anybody who claims to hear these revelations, whether it's about your children, about your husband, about going on Wheel of Fortune, about some of these guys saying, Oh, God told me I need to marry an eleven year old little girl and have sex with her It's God's will. It's God's will. Anybody who keeps like harboring and leaning on God's talking to me gives me a lot of paws, big red flags, and it gives me culty.

But Joe was not gone. Lori and Joe went through major custody issues because Lori did not want Joe to be in the children's lives at all, given the allegations and how tumultuous that would be. Police reports confirmed that Lori and her brother Alex Cox, and remember that name, threatened to kill Joe in two thousand seven after a fight erupted in a parking lot.

Alex, Lori's brother, used a stun gun on Joe and eventually pleaded guilty to second degree aggravated assault and served three months in jail. Now what's weird is Alex was also trying out his hand at stand-up comedy, and at one point he actually discussed this event and this occurrence with Joe.

So was this a heat of the moment attack and some sort of crime of quick passion? Or did Lori and Alex actually plan to kill Joe and then their plan fell apart? And this is where we begin to start to see a pattern in this weird close dynamic between Lori and Alison. And I'm talking really close and really weird. Too close for comfort for siblings. I've got siblings, I'm very close with my siblings. It's way too close.

So Lori talked about this on a podcast actually, too, saying that murder was justified according to Mormon scripture and that she wanted Joe dead. Now I get being pissed off at Joe for what he did, for those allegations, don't get me wrong, and wanting them to suffer, wanting them to die. And I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. If all of those allegations are true, he is a complete piece of shit. Absolutely. And

deserves whatever's coming to him. But the amount of mental gymnastics that you would have to do to believe that God said it was okay to murder him is beyond. But remember, Lori was constantly saying that she was having these revelations. That God was speaking to her, that He was telling her all of these things happening in her life were at His will and that it was her path.

this was just one more thing to add to her list where it fit her narrative where, oh no, God told me that he wants us to kill Joe. It's okay to murder's justified. Joe should die. It's a little bit un

I just felt I couldn't take it anymore. And I would go through the scriptures and find all the things like if he comes against you once, if he comes against you twice, if he comes against you three times, then you can kill him. It says it in the scriptures. And I was like, there it is, there's my answer. I don't want to do anything that's wrong. I did not have a murderer.

Charles has two sons of his own from a previous marriage who lived with their mother at the time. He also had an amazing job. He provided a very comfortable lifestyle for Lori and for the entire family. everyone thought that this would be a turning point for Laurie, for her, for Colby, for Tylie, because now Lori was finally married to a genuinely good man. Charles absolutely adored Lori and treated Colby and Tylie as if they were his own friends.

He was a Catholic, but he also converted to LDS for Lord. So now she has her strong Mormon faith still the backbone of her life. She has her new husband who has converted for her. He is taking on her children from previous marriages, as if they are his own, He has a stable job and is providing a loving home. What more could somebody want? Right? What more could somebody want? But it still was not enough.

And we're gonna get to why it wasn't enough for Lori in just one second here, guys. But I need to refill my Diet Coke, get the pipes re-lubricated up in here, and then we're gonna get into why Lori is such a disaster and what happened. So the marriage is going great, and seven years into their marriage, Lori and Chad adopted Joshua Jackson Valow, also nicknamed JJ.

who was a little over a year old at the time. Now Charles' older sister Kay was JJ's grandmother and JJ's parents were very young and struggling with some issues. JJ has autism and needed to be in a home where he could have a better life, and ultimately Kay and her husband, Larry, felt like Lori and Charles would be a good fit for JJ. Because remember they had a stable home. It was an environment in which anybody would think JJ would thrive.

And JJ was the perfect addition to Lori and Charles' big, growing, blended family. Lori and Charles loved JJ like he was their own son, and Lori was also very, very patient with him. Tylee had a very special relationship with JJ as well and always referred to him as her baby or

After the adoption, Larry and Kay were proud grandparents who always kept up with JJ and loved seeing him. And now he was with these two siblings who just adored him, who took care of him as if he were their own child. It was just Very positive and very loving environment for J. At the end of twenty fourteen, Lori and Charles moved to Hawaii with Colby, Tyley and JJ.

This was in August of 2014, and they lived on the island of Kauai and ran a small business together, which involved selling natural remedies and supplements. They also chose to make the decision of homeschooling their son JJ. Lori and Charles started attending the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints that was in Kauai. And this is where Lori met a friend named April.

They became very close friends while Lori was in Hawaii, and April described Lori as a devout Mormon and that she even looked up to her and thought that she was lucky to have a husband like Charles, who converted to Mormonism for her and support her in that way.

However, as time went on and April got to know Lori better, Mr. April said that Lori started to make comments here and there about how she wished that Charles was more into the church and into the religion, and that she wanted to have a partner whose faith was just as strong as hers. Or somebody who was as religiously gifted as Lori was. Having somebody speak to her hearing the revelations is

She wanted a partner who also exhibited that and had those situations happen to him. Now I know this sounds weird, but things like that apparently meant a lot to Lori, and she always wanted people to remember to know how close she was to God. Almost in a way of her being special. And April said it came off in a way like Lori was better than Charles, or more holy, because of.

So around 2015, Lori started reading Chad Daybell's Standing in Holy Places series of books, and reportedly started becoming obsessed with these books. April said that Lori started talking about this new group that she was a part of, led by this post apocalypse author, Chad, and that Lori had become a super fan of Chad.

And a super fan of Chad's doomsday ideology. Now, this is what I was talking about where the cliche She's now reading these books of this guy who believes in the apocalypse and doomsday and all of these things, and she's hyper-focused.

It wasn't long after that when the Valo family's time in Hawaii came to an end, marked by financial struggles and conflicts over Lori's increasingly extreme religious beliefs. In 2016, the Vallow family moved back to Arizona. Colby was, of course, the oldest child, but also now was a young adult at this time. So once the family moved back to Arizona, he moved out to live on his own, and it was just Tylee and JJ who remained with Charles and Laura.

Now let's take a little sidebar and move on to Chad, because I'm just gonna preface this whole thing by saying I think Chad is an ultra. I really do. And not to be like petty and snarky, but there's have been times where instead of Chad Daybell, I call him Chad Dumbbell. I just really hate him, I hate his stupid face, I hate everything that he stands for. And honestly that has nothing to do even with the crimes he's being charged with. He j just seems like a person who sh sucks over all

And honestly, if Lori saw that in the first place, we wouldn't even be here right now discussing this, but she was just enamored with this loser of a man. Anyways, Chad was born on August 11th, 1968 in Provo, Utah. He grew up in Utah and he graduated from Brigham Young University with a degree in journalism in nineteen ninety two.

Now, interesting little fact here, Chad worked as a cemetery gravedigger for several years before he transitioned into writing and publishing these books on religious topics and spiritual beliefs and things. But full stop, he was a grave digger. That's a red flag, as you see where this case goes. It is like the reddest flag of them all: like deep burning, crimson, red flag, bold, underlined, 72-point font, red flag.

Which I apologize to any gravediggers listening. It's not an uh a targeted red flag at you. It's on this guy and you'll see why. Chad was also married at this time. He was married and he had five children, who are now adults, and his wife Tammy and all of the family lived in Salem, Idaho, near Rexburg, Idaho.

He was the owner of Spring Creek Book Company and he published several books about his near-death experiences, including the Standing in Holy Places series, which this series centers around his beliefs. in the LDS Church and its teachings about the end times and the second coming of Jesus Christ. Chad claimed to have gotten his spiritual abilities after his near death experience, in which he said that his spirit separated from his body and he had contact with family members in his life.

His teachings gained a following among several members of the LDS Church and others who shared very similar beliefs. However, his teachings and views have also been criticized by some as being very extreme and outside of mainstream LDS teachings. mainly because Chad claimed to have received revelations and visions that led him to believe in the imminent end of the world and the second coming of Jesus. Which let me choose. Vercole leader. Real overall.

real original. I don't think that I have ever read about a cult, watched a documentary about a cult, where the self proclaimed prophet wasn't talking about the end of the world and the second coming of Christ and scaring his followers and believers into do this because when he cu when Christ comes back he's gonna only save those who are worthy, so you better be worthy, you better do this.

It's like real original Chad, real original original. I swear. I'm gonna digress for a second, but all of these cult leaders and self-proclaimed prophets really don't have an original not only the end of the world and doomsday, but how are all of these cult lead leaders magically all told by God how they need to be having sex with multiple women or underage women and how they need to take multiple

How is it that that's the one common thread through all of these crazy ass cults? It just get original guys get original. So Lori and Chad reportedly met as Lori was a big obsessive super fan of his books, and they met in twenty eighteen at a religious gathering in Saint George, Utah. This gathering was called Preparing a People. And it's said that when they met they were both just enamored. Lori with Chad's spiritual gifts and Chad with Lori's beauty.

Lori's friends said that there was a connection between the two of them, with Chad telling Lori that they've actually, get this, been married in multiple past lives. Lori sought spiritual guidance, advice, and blessings from Chad, who was this self proclaimed, you know, visionary who says that they had been married in the past, and

Let me just say this guys, if I was ever in a convention or a bar or a restaurant and some guy just cruised up to me and said, Oh, Annie, you know what? We've been married in the past and past several lives, as a matter of fact. As like a way to hit on me, I'd probably call the police immediately and let them know that there is a nut job on the loose, a possible stage five clinger in the making, not I wouldn't respond by being like

You're right. We probably have been married in the past. We probably have lived so many different marriages together and so many lives together. Tell me.

And talking super in-depth about his beliefs and the deeper mysteries of God, and Chad stated that he had lived thirty-one different lives on various Earth-like planets. It's getting a little weird, guys. And he referred to others as light or dark individuals based on various graduations in between. And that's really important to note here because we are going to talk about that more as we continue.

Chad believed that the dark individuals were from this earth but were followers of Satan. Those who were light individuals were followers of Jesus Christ. So Chad, of course, referred to Lori as an eternal being of twenty one separate life. only five of which that had occurred on this planet, the same five that he lived on this planet. So Lori was both thrilled and attracted to this belief system and became increasingly fixated on this newfound purpose and on ch Oh sorry.

Excuse me. See, I'm allergic to these people. I'm allergic to these people. So she comes becomes increasingly fixated on this newfound purpose and on changing. He's telling her they both have lived all of these previous lives, five of which were on this earth together. They were married, which, surprise, surprise, as time went on, Lori and Chad started having an affair after all of that.

big shocker, right? And I bet you anything, it was at God's will that God came down and told Chad, Hey, you better put your pee in her vegee because you b both lived previous lives together and you're gonna live happily ever after and your soulmate. And Lori, it's okay. It ch it it's okay. God told me that you should cheat on your husband with Charles with me, because we're destined to be together. We're soulmates. So mm, inter affair.

So in her free time, Lori began to co host with a friend named Melanie Gibb on a podcast called Feel the Fire, and Chad also made guest appearances on this podcast. Most of the episodes have now been removed, but I did find this episode and I wanted to play a few clips from it because this is where Chad was on the show, and it just shows the level of bizarre that we are dealing with.

There really isn't a nice way of putting this and it's not about religion that I'm ragging on at all here, but you can hear Melanie in the beginning, and then the meek, high-pitched, trying to be sexy voice is Laura You can literally hear in her voice how giddy she was around Chad, and it just really makes me nauseous.

Huge red flash. Now the term zombie refers to an individual whose mortal spirit has left their body and that their body is now the host of another spirit. The new spirit is a zombie and is always considered to be a dark spirit. While the dark spirit inhabits the host body, the person's true spirit goes into what's called limbo, and it's stuck there until the host body is physically killed. Almost like a purgatory, I guess.

So Chad was the one who designated people as zombies, according to a spectrum of light and dark that he always would code people as, their vibration levels, and the trust scales, which I will get more into in a little bit here. But for now Charles was enemy number one and was the first zombie in this world.

And I bet you can guess why. Why was Charles a zombie? Let's ask the whole class. Obviously because it's Lori's husband, and Chad was boning Lori, so they had to get rid of Charles so that they could be together. So what better way than to say, Oh no, Charles is actually a dark spirit. He's a zombie. He's dead. His soul's dead. He's stuck in limbo. We have to save him by killing the physical version of his body and the zombie version of him so that Charles can go to heaven

Go be with Jesus and then you and I can be together. I mean, tale as old as time. Am I right? Now where while all of this was going on, Lori would go daily to the Mormon temple in Mesa, Arizona, and she would spend time in what was called the celestial room. This was at the temple and this is where she would feel like she was communicating with those on the other side of the veil. Lori and Chad also believed that regular temple visits increased their vibrations and their ability to teleport.

Guys, I am not making this up. I know you think like this is way too fucking weird, Annie. I am not making this up. Then on December 5th, 2018, Chad and Lori appeared together on the Prepping a People podcast episode called Time to Warrior Ever. Chad later stayed at Lori's residence in Arizona, and spoiler alert, later in this story we will find definitive proof that they are, in fact, not able to teleport.

Which hi, spoiler alert, I'm sure we all saw that coming. Not big surprise. People can't teleport. If you're watching this or listening to this and you think you have the ability to teleport, you don't. And if somebody tells you they do, they're a they don't. They're lying. Okay. Glad we got that clear. Lori's husband Charles was beginning to notice just how drastic Lori had changed during all of this, as she's becoming more fixated and obsessed with.

And according to Charles, Lori became infatuated, at times obsessive about near-death experiences and these spiritual visions. Lori told Charles that she is sealed, eternally married to the ancient Book of Mormon prophet Morani, which let's drop the E and just say Mormon uh or Mor Moron. Mor on the Mormon, I don't even know. and also told her that she had lived numerous lives on numerous planets prior to this current life. Lori believed that she was Joseph Smith's natural grandmother.

And Charles was saying, as she's starting to unravel and tailspin, that Lori apparently didn't want anything to do with him, JJ their adopted son, because she was apparently assigned by God to carry out the work of one hundred and forty-four thousand high priests. who will administer the everlasting gospel at the end of the world. Mm-hmm. Charles reportedly discovered emails between Lori and Chad in January of twenty nineteen, which also led to him becoming very suspicious of their relationship.

Charles and Lori were still married at the time, but their relationship was strained due to Lori's growing interest in Chad and her increasing involvement in what he believed to be a religious doomsday cult. Now we have to pause for a second here because what the actual F is going on. So apparently Lori believes that she is the reincarnated grandmother of Joseph Smith.

Which let's just say, let's talk about keeping it in the family here because I mean I think we've all got that one relative who thinks they are royalty or something like that. But Lori is now taking it to an entirely new level. Which who knows, maybe Lori's onto something. Maybe she's just been watching too much of nineties sitcoms where characters claim to be related to famous people. I don't know. Either way, it feels like a really weird flex, but okay, Lori.

Now after Charles' most recent discovery of the emails, Charles begged Lori to visit a mental health facility, but she wouldn't go, and her reasoning was simple as The doctors would realize that she was a translated being and no longer a mortal being, which obviously. Things were getting worse and Charles was really starting to get scared after Lori called him one day and told her that she didn't trust him, and that she would have to kill him when he got home.

According to records, Lori said, You're not Charles. I don't know who you are or what you did with Charles, but I can murder you now with my power. She also told Charles that she had an angel there to help her dispose of the body. So Charles, of course, contacted the Gilbert Police Department to obtain an emergency mental health petition for his wife, and the couple separated that night.

Sometimes referring to him as Ned, noting that Charles was in genuine fear for his life. So sometime after, Laurie disappeared for fifty-eight days. And she left Tyle and JJ with other family members, after completely liquidating thirty five grand that Lori and Charles had in a bank account. She just straight up vanished, according to Charles and his family, and nobody knows exactly where she went, but according to a friend of Lori's, she might have spent some time in Hawaii with Chad Davis.

Charles expressed his concerns regarding his marriage to Lori and her involvement with a religious group called Preparing a People in emails that he was sending to family members. In one email he sent to his sister-in-law, Charles shared his worries about Lori's mental state and her involvement with the group. And he wrote, I really need to speak with somebody about Lori and her beliefs. She has changed. I have changed. I don't even know who she is anymore.

In another email that he sent to his brother in law, Charles had stated that he was considering filing for divorce, and he wrote, I really want to make this work, but Lori is not the same person anymore. So while Lori was out on her fifty eight day hiatus, Charles filed for a divorce from her, and in the divorce documents, Charles petitioned for sole custody of JJ because he did not think that Lori was mentally stable enough to make decisions for him.

Charles said in the documents that two weeks before he filed for divorce Lori took some of his and J's belongings while he was out away on a business trip, including J's iPad, medication, and clothing, and that she wouldn't answer requests to return them. Charles explained that the iPad was essential to keeping JJ calm because he has autism disorder and ADHD and prefers a routine.

Additionally, in the document, it says that the mother has also never contacted father about JJ's well-being or requested any parenting time with JJ. The father is extremely concerned that the mother would abandon JJ and take JJ's necessities without even attempting to communicate or see J. On february twenty sixth, Charles also discovered the password to his life insurance policy account was changed a few days earlier on february twentieth, and he believes that it was changed by Lord.

But for some reason, a f with all of this and all these red flags, Charles later withdrew the petition for divorce. Even though he was so concerned and all of these red flags were flying, he withdrew the petition. So Lori eventually made contact with Charles, who had already moved back to Houston, and her and Tylie joined them. A few months later, in the beginning of june of twenty nineteen, Lori and Charles exchanged heated text messages.

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And then it continues a little bit with honestly just a bunch of bullshit, and it's not even really worth repeating. And then a few sentences later, the email says so I will cut to the chase. I'm willing to pay you well to help me get this book into shape as my ghost right. I really liked your autobiography and the tone you took in sharing your experiences without preaching. Is there any way you could come here for a couple of days and help me get the book underway?

I feel like talking in person would be much more valuable than a phone call or video job. mainly because I would like you to read through some of my journals and explain to me how the publishing industry works. The letter continues on after that, but that's really the gist of it. Now, get this. Number one, at this point according to Lori, Charles was Ned or Nick Schneider, remember. So why would he be writing to this person who deemed him as a zombie?

And Charles knew that something was really fishy here,'cause he didn't write that email. So in his text exchange with Lori, he says, Then tell me why you used my name and fictitious email to send a BS email about a book that I am having him ghostwrite for me. It's fraud and a lie. There's no reason for it other than to get him to Arizona and have an excuse for his wife. You did this. I had nothing to do with it, and you know it. Also he did not stay with us in November. I will find out.

So obviously a red flag. Charles never even sent this email. She sent it. She made up the fake email address, whether it's an excuse to get Chad over to visit with her, whether it's code for something else, which some people believe it was.

Charles saw this and he's like, this makes no sense. I'm calling you out on these lies. I'm calling you out for the affair. What the heck is going on? So after this, Charles set up a house in Chandler, Arizona for Lori and the kids to live in while he was still living in Houston. He did this because of JJ's special needs because there were certain schools that fit him better and those schools were back in Arizona where they were living before. So Lori, Tiley, and JJ all moved back to Arizona.

But Charles was still pissed, so a couple of weeks later Charles actually sent a message to Chad Dabel's wife Tammy, and this message said, Tammy, my name is Charles Vallow. I have some vital and disturbing information regarding your husband and my wife, Lori. This is your work email, so I'll wait to send you the evidence that is very disturbing.

You may call or email me from the address where you can receive the information. I apologize to be the one sending this, but something has to be done. I feel it's best if I shed some light on the issue. And then after that, Charles sent an email to Chad, saying he knew he was having an affair with Lord. Which, let me just say, I absolutely love Charles through all of this. You've got to hand it to him. He's dealing with this crazy situation, his estranged wife

who's having an affair, who's a doomsday believer, who's in this cult, he's seeing all the red flags, he's looping in Chad's wife, trying to give her the heads up and calling them all out on it. I mean, you gotta hand it to him. He's handling the situation with grace to say that

Now, as this whole estrangement is underway, Lori told her family that the reason that her and Charles were separated was because Charles was the one that had an affair, not her, which of course, let's gaslight everyone. And of course, her family believed her. She also told them not to believe anything that Charles said and not to answer any phone calls or emails from him because he was just a huge liar.

So when Charles would send emails about Lori's behavior, they thought that it was actually Charles who was the one that's out of his mind and was lying and having an affair. But then he contacted Adam Cox, who was the only family member of Lorrie's who would talk to him. So the two of them decided to record their conversations with Lori on their phones in hopes that she would admit to being the one having the affair.

If they were able to, Charles planned on taking that recording to religious leaders to expose both Laurie and Chad, which they could then face disciplinary action as part of repentance or maybe even excommunication. Which to those of us who are not Mormon, let me just say to you that it's pretty much the worst thing that could happen to you and it's taken very, very seriously by members of the church. But Charles would never get the chance to do that, because it all came to a screeching halt.

On july eleventh, Charles arrived at Lori's rental home in Chandler, Arizona. He went there to see their son J.J. And according to reports, Charles was scheduled to drop his son off at school, but upon entering the home, he was fatally shot by Laurie's brother Alex Cox. Alex claimed that he had acted in self-defense and he was protecting his sister Lori during a confrontation that was happening between Lori and Charles.

Both Lori and Tylie, who were reportedly present during the shooting, corroborated Alex's story and claimed that the shooting was in an act of self conduct. Lori and Tiley both went to the police station for interviews and to give their statements. Now I want to play a few clips of her interview because this is really the only video available that shows Lori, her demeanor, and her talking on video a little bit more in depth.

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And he travels all the time for business, so he's used to just going back and forth. So he's always gone like Monday through Friday. So he came when we first moved in and brought me stuff from Houston, like a U Haul, and then he hasn't been back. But it's all these threats on my phone all the time, you know, like whatever. And then he told me what kind of threads? Just You'd have to read them to say but he's always mad at me, right? And he

doesn't want a divorce but I don't like him and don't want to deal with him. So that's just how it is. So so we married for fourteen years, we've dealt with him for fourteen years and him being horrible to her. Like he gets in huge fights with her a lot of things.

last seven years anyway. And I was a single moment before I married him with my two kids. Yeah. And he had two kids. We got married, tried to make a family. Yeah. So I said, just go and so he said okay. So I gave him

Right, so I kissed JJ goodbye. He came back in and his phone was on the counter and I had his phone and he was like giving me my phone and was like, Why don't you show me your text that you've been texting? You know, whatever. Because he's like,

And so he was texting him on the phone when he first got to my house and I'm like, Why are you texting Adam? Like, do you even talk to him? Like my And um telling me all these texts like you're going down He's blaming me for our marriage breaking up and my niece getting divorced. And my friend getting divorced, he said, I'm a destroyer of families. Because I want everybody to get divorced. I'm like, what would my motivation be for people getting divorced? So I can babysit the kids more?

Why would I have any control over what people do? Yeah. So

And get this, Lori texted Charles' two sons, who were teenagers at the time and lived with their mother, and this is the text message that she sends. Hi boys, I have very sad news. Your dad passed away yesterday. I'm working on making arrangements and I'll keep you informed with what's going on. I'm still not sure how to handle things. Just want you to know that I love you and so did your dad.

And then she puts a heart emoji. So one of the boys, of course, responds and says, Lori, what happened? Where is he? What happened? And Lori repo responds, I'll call you when I can, Bub. He is here in Arizona. So the son asks, Where in Arizona? Where did this happen? When did this happen? How is JJ doing? What funeral home is he at? And Lori doesn't answer for hours.

So then he finally says, Lori, what the F happened? You can't just tell us our dad died and then disappear. You're not too busy to just let us know he died and disappear. And then later again another text message. Lori, it's been three hours. You are not that busy. I don't care what you're doing.

So Lori finally replies, saying, I'm sorry that you're so upset. I'm upset too. I'm trying to get JJ ready for bed. I'm waiting to hear back from the medical examiner to make sense out of all of this myself. Please be patient with me. It's a crushing situation all the way around. I'm still trying to process it too, and what it means for JJ.

Which I'm sorry, what do you mean you're waiting to hear back from the medical examiner? If Alex shot Charles in self defense, what would a medical examiner tell you that you don't already know? You don't know that Charles died of gunshot wounds. You don't know that there was an altercation. And the fact that she doesn't even have the decency to call these children and call the mother of these children to tell them what happened to their father.

but chooses to just text message them and then ignore their text messages, to me it just shows that she was only thinking about herself and probably also trying to think about excuse. Especially in that one part where she says in a very demeaning and gaslighting kind of way, in my opinion. I'm sorry you're upset, I'm upset too.

It just she is evil, evil, evil, evil. So after she sends that text message, the son replies saying, When and where is the funeral? How did all of this happen? I want an explanation. Two days later he sends two question marks, but no response until finally Lori says I'm still waiting, working on arrangements and sorting things out the best I can. I'll let you know when I know. He responds, Why aren't you telling me what happened? I've asked numerous times. Just tell me.

Then he sends two question marks again, with no response, until he says, Okay, Lori, it's been three days. You let us know our father passed away over a text message. Three days ago and we haven't heard from anyone. The only information we have is that one text from you saying he passed away. You disappeared after that. We need any information you want.

What happened? When did it happen? How did it happen? Where is he now? Are there any funeral plans? Can my brother and I be a part of it? We talked to him all of the time and now he's gone. He was our dad and we loved him very much. We deserve answers. Also, why have you been the only one to contact us? We haven't heard from Colby or Tylie. I know they are affected too. I called Colby recently too, but he didn't answer. Is JJ safe? And what does he know?

I need to be kept in the loop about all of this. This isn't a nonchalant topic that you can just throw a text at and be done with it. So Lori gets this text message and finally responds to the And she says, These are your dad's wishes. He and I discussed a lot over the years that we have been together. My plan is to have him cremated as he wished, and then take all five of you kids to Hawaii to spread his ashes. He did not want a funeral, he wants a celebration of life.

I've been overwhelmed, but I'm going to try to start these arrangements today. JJ is doing well but he does not know his daddy is gone, so it's tough because he doesn't really understand. He says Daddy is in California working. I know how much he loves you boys and always.

I have a lot of things to do with the business and contacting people, and it's all so difficult. Today I'm trying to put up a memorial page on the funeral home website. I'll send the link when I have it. I love you and so does your dad. To which he replies and appreciates this message saying, I appreciate this information, but I will ask these questions again because I still haven't been given an answer. What happened? When did it happen? How did it happen? Where is he now?

Is there a funeral? When is it? Who have you told about his death? Give me all the information you have. Please, my brother and I deserve to know. No response. So then he says, Well, if you won't answer those questions, can we please have his watches and his other stuff he always talked about and had around? To which Lori then replies, Of course, send me the address you want me to send your stuff to.

Kay is supposed to clean out the Houston house. I told her to let you and your brother have whatever you want, then she could have or give away the rest. I know he wanted you to have all that you want. And that was Which let me just say major kudos to Charles' boys because they are calling Lori out and they are one hundred and fifty percent correct. Lori even told her oldest son Colby that Charles died of a heart attack.

She constantly is switching stories and lying and hiding things. And it's always mind-blowing when people lie about these things that are obviously provable. But also if it was self-defense, just tell the truth, right? Why do you need to lie? Why do you need to make a cover story? Just tell the truth. But again, Lori was incapable of telling the truth. The fact that she thought that any of this was okay is just absolutely infuriating and so so wrong. Lori wasn't done either.

The text message said I just got the letter from the insurance company saying I am not the beneficiary. It's a spear through my heart. Who do you think he changed it to? Brandon or probably Kay? He left nothing for J. Chad responds, Wow, that's terrible. There's no way to find out with a question mark?

Then Lori says I might be able to see it when I get to his computer on Sunday. I could check his emails that were sent to the insurance company. It will show change of beneficiary. He must have done it recently. Chad responds, It seems you would have to agree to all of the changes. Maybe your name was Fork. you should have a good paper trail to prove it. I love you. This is terrible, but it is probably another step in bringing down the Gaddiantons, especially Brandon.

Lori responds, Nope, he can change it any time he wants. He's the agent and anyone can change their beneficiary any time with their own signature. I'm thinking it must be K. Chad responds, Hm, it will be interesting if it got changed after he had two bullets in his chest. Lori responds, I don't think it could have. You can't change it after death date. They would review that.

Chad responds, Yes, I am thinking Kay as well. She is probably freaking out that you got those computers. I'm going to shower and give you a blessing. I'm eager to get home so we can talk. It really will be okay, my love. You are wonderful.

So it looks like Chad Dable's kind of at it again, trying to be like the ultimate smooth talker here and calm her down, which I mean who else would suggest giving someone a blessing over a text message, but okay, fine. But I can just imagine him like sitting there typing away with his little like ugly, disgusting, sly grin on his face, thinking he's like super suave, super cool, like

Oh, we're gonna figure this out, babe. Like I got you, let me bless you. Chad, nobody wants your blessings. Look, I have the chills thinking about it right now. It's like he's trying to play the role of this like calm and collected leader, but he's really coming across as just like an ultra total creature. At least to me. And don't even get me started on the you are wonderful comment. It's just all so cringe.

So a few months after Charles died, Lori moved to Rexburg, Idaho with her children, Tylee and JJ. Tylee was now sixteen and JJ's now seven. Her brother Alex also moved with them, and Rexburg, let me remind you, is where Chad Dabel lives with his wife and his children. So now that Charles is out of the way, now that her ma her husband's out of the way.

Scoops up the children and her henchman brother who just shot and killed Charles, and they all move to where the cult leader lives. The cult leader that she's in love with, starting to flock up to Ida. Now, if you're somebody who likes to foreshadow and guess what's about to happen next, what do you think is about to happen next? Her husband's out of the way.

But Chad is still with his wife in Idaho, and now that Lori is trailing all the way over to Idaho, somebody's in the way, right? So what's gonna happen next? You tell me. Now, I know the family dynamics get a little bit complicated in this case, so just as a reminder, JJ is Charles' sister Kay's biological grandson. I know that's a mouthful. I know.

But Kay is married to Larry Woodcock, and the couple said that they cared for JJ shortly after his birth for about ten months before, remember, Charles and Lori adopted JJ in 2013. Now this is where the timeline begins with the And it becomes extremely crucial. On August 10th, 2019, Kay and Larry spoke with JJ for a 35 second. In september twenty nineteen, JJ and Tiley were last seen in Rexburg, Idol. Or that is what everybody believed at the time.

Just two months later, Kay and Larry began to worry about J's well being. He moved to Rexburg with Lori. Nobody had heard from him. They hadn't talked to them. They were very worried about JJ. They usually talk to him all the time. They haven't heard from him. So they reached out to the police in their hometown of Louisiana, expressing concerns about JJ's whereabouts.

They hadn't heard from JJ or Lori in several weeks, and they were unable to get in touch with them. In November 2019, police in Idaho performed a welfare check on JJ. But Lori, and get this, her now new husband, Chad, refused to cooperate with authorities. New husband, which we will get back to that in just one minute. They claimed that JJ was staying with a friend of theirs in Arizona, but when police checked that address, they found no sign of J.J.

Now let's talk about the marriage. Lori and Chad got married just a few weeks. The death of Chad's wife Tammy Davis. Tammy Dabel died in october twenty nineteen, just a couple of months after Lori and the kids moved to Rexburg.

The exact date of their marriage was unknown at the time, but it was believed to have taken place in Hawaii in early November twenty nineteen. Now let me just talk to you about these wedding pictures, and I'm gonna describe them for those of you listening and not watching. It is So cringe. They are on the beach in Hawaii. Chad is playing like a ukulele or he's fake playing it while Lori has her arms waved like she's a

you know, Hawaiian hula dancer and they have these stupid dopey grins on their face. This picture forever gives me the ick. What on earth is? And more than that, where are your kids, Lori? Why wouldn't they be at your wedding? And Chad, my dude, did the dirt even settle on Tammy's grave before you took your sorry ass to Hawaii and had this cringe ceremony to Lori on the sand. Also, who the hell took these pictures? I need to know. I have serious questions.

So speaking of Tammy's death, her death was extremely unpleasant. She wasn't sick, and there were absolutely no underlying health conditions, and she wasn't in a car accident, she wasn't in any freak accident for that matter. In fact, she was as healthy as a horse. Now, what's even weirder is that Chad actually told people that he had a prophecy that Tammy was going to die. And he had this prophecy up to a year before, saying that she was going to die by a carcass.

But that didn't happen, so instead he said that she mysteriously died overnight. The circumstances surrounding Tammy's death were initially considered suspicious, but Chad insisted that she died due to natural cause. Natural causes at forty nine years old. How does that happen? How does somebody die of natural causes at forty nine years old when they are in perfect health?

So now it looks like Chad is like the ultimate trifecta, the triple threat. He's got the creepy smooth talker box checked, he's apparently a prophecy fortune teller, and now coroner, and he knows how people So who needs a medical degree when you've got this prophecy walking around and tells you what's going to happen? Let's not forget though, the fact that Tammy's death was initially considered as suspicious.

So I guess that Chad must have missed the memo that by saying natural causes doesn't make it true. You can't just say it's natural causes and make it true when other people are saying it's suspicious. Also, in another suspicious fact about this, the wedding ring that was used in Lori and Chad's marriage ceremony was purchased on Amazon through an account that belonged to Charles, Lori's late husband. And that r wedding ring was purchased weeks before Tammy died.

Tell me this, if she died of natural causes suddenly in her sleep, how would Lori and Chad know they were gonna get be able to get married weeks before Tammy died? Was it another revelation? Was God speaking to them once again? How do you buy a wedding ring when you're still married before your spouse is even dead? Because you are going to have a hand. Now, let's continue before we keep going into that whole rabbit hole.

In late november twenty nineteen, authorities in Idaho issued a court order requiring Lori to produce her two children, Lori Vallow and Tyle Ryan. The order required Lori to physically produce the children to the Idaho Department of Health and Welfare in Rexburg, Idaho, and she had to produce them no later than january thirtieth, twenty twenty. Now I remember this. We were everybody who was following this case was on watch, glued to their screens, because at this point.

According to the media and the public, all the public knew at this point was that this woman and her new husband, the children were missing, and nobody knew where the children were, and now she had a deadline of about two months to produce the children, otherwise she would be arrested. But nobody knew about the deep rooted Colt, nobody knew about the suspicious death of Tammy, nobody knew about the suspicious circumstances of Charles and

talk more about that. Nobody knew about a lot of these things. It just looked like, why isn't this woman sharing where her children are if they are in fact safe? It was very bizarre. And in December, the Rexburg Police Department published a press release asking for the public's health in the location of JJ and Tiley, who had not been seen since september of twenty nineteen. Now, this case, like I said, caught national media attention and it went like wildfire.

And there was an attorney named Sean Bartholick who claimed to be Daybell's lawyer and he put out a statement which read, Chad Daybell was a loving husband and he has the support of his children in this matter. Lori Daybelle is a devoted mother who and resents assertions to the contrary. We look forward to addressing the allegations once they have moved beyond speculation and rumor.

Later on, a twenty thousand dollar reward was offered for information leading to JJ entirely, and this reward was offered from Kay and Larry Wood. But Lori was nowhere to be found. Nobody knew where Lori was, and authorities were looking for Lori, and funny enough, she was spotted in an airport in Hawaii with Dory. Finally, five days before the order deadline, Lori and Chad were found in the city of Princeville, located on the island of Kauai in Hawaii.

The order was served to Lori, demanding that she physically produce JJ en Tylee to the Idaho Department of Health and Welfare in Rexburg, within five days of being served with that order. Which that should be easy enough, right? Just bring your kids in and stop being so shady. Where would your kids be, Lori? Reporters found them in Hawaii when they were served with that court order.

They were asked about J J en Tylie and what do you know? Lori and Chad walked hand in hand, with smug looks on their faces, and refused to speak, other than Lori, when she made a very sarcastic statement.

Listen, just tell people what's happening. There's people around the country praying for your children, praying for you guys. Why don't you give us answers? That's great. That's great that they're praying for you, praying for your kids, what? You have nothing to say? Did you do something to your children? Are your children still alive? That's a simple question. I've got three kids of my own. I can tell you every minute where my kids are at. Where are your children?

What do you guys plan to do now? Are you gonna you have five days to get your children in front of a judge in Rexburg then what? Are you guys innocent of any crimes? Have you committed any crimes? Chad, you guys have a lot to say on your podcast. You don't have anything to say now? Lori?

During the surge, investigators found children's bikes, a scooter, winter clothing, a photo album with photos of JJ and Tylee as well. Family members and the public were pleading with Lori, where is Tylie? Where is JJ? Where are your kids? And Lori continued to refuse to cooperate with authorities. Instead, Lori and Chad were in Hawaii, living in a gated community, staying at different resorts, biking together all around the island of Kauai, while everybody was searching for JJ and Chad.

Lori never produced her children in Rexburg by the deadline, so in February of twenty twenty she was arrested in Hawaii on those charges related to desertion and non support of children, as well as the charge of contempt of court. Lori's bail was initially set at five million dollars following her arrest in Hawaii. The bail amount was based on the severity of the charges against her, and she remained in custody in Hawaii while she awaited extradition to Idaho to face the charges against her.

In March of 2020, Lori waived her right to fight extradition and she was transported back to Idaho, where she was then held on a one million dollar basis. Now you would think by then she would just give up and she would tell where her children are, or at least indicate if they were alive or not.

Her older son Colby begged and pleaded, which was also recorded during these jail phone calls he had with Lori. While Lori was in jail, she would frequently call Chad as well, who was still by her side and even was present during her first bail hearing.

And Lori's appearance at her first hearing in Idaho was a She was smiling, she was prancing around in the courtroom like nothing happened, like she she put on some jailhouse makeup and looked like a clown with this ultra-red lipstick and it looked bizarre. Colby was also there and said that Lori didn't even look at him once throughout the hearing.

But don't worry though, because she made sure to look at Chad throughout the hearing. And again, Lori, why are you acting like this is some sort of jailhouse beauty contest? Your children have been missing now for six months. And you've made zero effort to help find them, and you're acting like you could not care less. In the summer of twenty twenty, months, months almost a year has gone by that these kids have been missing, and the disappearance of JJ and Tiley continued to be a mystery.

With authorities struggling to piece together the events leading up to their disappearance. However, in June of that year in twenty twenty, a major breakthrough occurred. Investigators, as well as the FBI, paid a visit to Chad's house, where they combed through Chad's property in Fremont County, Idaho. Lori called Chad while this search was going on. And this is one of the eeriest phone calls I think I've ever heard.

It wasn't long after the phone call when investigators stumbled upon a truly shocking discovery. Human remains were found buried on the property in Chad's backyard, and forensic analysis later revealed that the remains belonged to J F. Chad was immediately arrested, but not before he tried to book it and bail out, but he was pulled over literally across the street. He is so pathetic it's unreal. He tried to flee and he got across the street and they caught up with him.

The discovery of the children's remains brought the missing persons search, of course, to a tragic end with a very disturbing conclusion, raising many questions about what had happened to them and who was involved. Now, at this point, the circumstances surrounding the deaths of JJ and Tylie, as well as the events leading up to their disappearance, completely remained under investigation.

With many wondering what other dark secrets might be lurking beneath the surface, or if JJ and Tylie's deaths were connected to Lori's involvement with her cult life. Because now there was finally a loose thread in the web of Lori, Valo, and Chad David. The thread was being tugged on, the children's bodies emerged, and this was completely about to unroll. and the web of lies, the secrecy and the deceit surrounding Charles's death.

Tammy's death, the children's death, Lori's other previous ex husband's death, and Alex Cox, Lori's brother's death. Mm-hmm. He died as well. He died right after the wedding between Lori and Chad. More about that, all of that was now on display. And this little thread that had been being pulled on was about to expose everything.

And guys, I hate to do it to you, but that is where we are going to end this week's episode of Serialistly. This was part one of two parts for the Lori Valo and Chad Daybell saga. So part two is coming where we are going to break down what happened after the children's remains were discovered on Chad's property. Weird text messages he had sent to his wife, who was still living at the time, when the bodies were placed on that property. We're gonna go into all of it. All of the suspicious death.

And we are going to talk through the evidence portion of Lori's trial as it is ongoing right now. And we are going to loop all of that in to part two where we go through the house of cards that just fell on these two cult monsters. So make sure that you are following along on this podcast or subscribed to YouTube if you're watching the video version of this so that you can stay updated of all things of this doomsday.

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Alright guys, thanks so much for hanging out with me today and talking all things Loriavalo and Chad Dumbbell. I just hate these two so so much and this trial is going to be banana. So get ready for part two because it is going to blow your mind. All right, guys, I will talk to you very, very soon. Thanks again for tuning in with me on this episode of Serialously, and I will see you next Monday bright and