And we're back with another episode of Separation and Anxiety.
I'm your host Marcus Jordan and I'm Larsa Pippen, and today.
We have a very special episode of Separation Anxiety because we have our very first.
Guests we do. It's one of my favorite people on the whole planet. It's someone that I turned to when I have questions, concerns, problems. You're kind of like you my fixer, Jason.
Yeah, that's what I do exactly.
So welcome Attorney Jason Gillor. Thank you for joining the podcast. First, tell our listeners what kind of law you're specialize in.
So I have a general practice. We pretty much do everything. It's always about solving problems and guiding clients through different legal issues, business issues, and generally helping them.
Awesome, Larca tell.
Us how so, you guys, it's kind of a crazy story. I met Jason because we were literally friends for a long time through a mutual friend Michelle, and then I had a minor problem, so I moved into this house when I was newly separated. It was like I woke up one day and I was like, I can't live in the same house anymore with my ex I like rented this house really quickly, and I realized that there were cameras inside the house that were recording me. Okay,
so I called Jason. I'm like, oh my god, Jason, the house that I rented has cameras and they are recording in the house while I'm in the house. Because the landlord would text me and say, hey, did you forget to set the alarm? Oh my gosh, and stuff like that. It was like really creepy stuff. Do you remember when I called you? Yeah, of course, And I was just like traumatized. I was like, how do I get out of the situation? What do we do? And then what did you end up helping me do?
No, there was a whole litney of things, like he would call and complain that Larcia left the air conditioning at the wrong temperature. He would say, well, if you're going to leave the house, you should put the AC down, And you didn't put the AC down. We're like, wait a minute, how does this guy know what she's doing. It was like a creeper, and it became pretty apparent that he was actually it seemed like he was watching the through the cameras. The house was rented how.
Long was he before you got you noticed, LARSA.
I think I was in the house like three weeks, right.
Yeah it was, it was, yeah, it was. It was early on in the least.
Yeah, it was probably two three weeks in. But the guy was really creepy because when I first met him, he literally was like, whatever you need, I will be here whatever you need. And I kind of felt like he was kind of flirting with me a little bit, and I was like, Oh, it's so great, so I can move in whenever I want. I thought I thought
it was a good thing. I was like, oh, he loves me, right, And then before I knew it, like I started realizing that, like he's texting me, he knows when I'm home and when I'm not.
So what was the strategy, Jason? How did you?
I mean, it's it's pretty much the same strategy for every case, Like you have to know who you're playing with, right, So he did some investigative work on the house on the guy, and then based off of our research, it seemed like a good portion of the house was actually built without permits.
Oh no, oh my gosh, I remember that. That's great.
Yeah, it was so again, it was kind of like one of these scenarios where you know, we needed out of the least the house wasn't properly permitted. If this all came to light, you know, he would run the risk. You know, maybe the house gets condemned, right, I mean he could have permit issues, there could be leans, et cetera.
And then eventually, you know, there's back and forth and everyone kind of came to the conclusion like instead of you know, going to war, everyone should just kind of, you know, lick their wounds and go their own waysts in.
Everybody.
Everybody has them. It's a function of finding it for sure. And you know, and that's kind of you know, part of the lesson. When you've been around long enough and the really good lawyers they realize, you got to you gotta know who you're playing with. Right. If you know the players, you understand the field. You know, that's how you can be the most effective. And a lot of cases they resolve because of pressures that can exist outside
of the courtroom. Right, It's not just the merits, but also understanding that, Okay, you could be right on this case, but if these issues come to light, that might destroy your business, destroy your personality. And that's and that's why cases subtle.
Wow, that's awesome. Well, without further ado is get into some questions exactly. So Jason, when a couple comes in and asks to draw up a prenup, can you tell if they're going to last or not?
So prenups?
If you got married, would you have a prenup?
Uh? Well, I'm definitely not going to answer that question.
A smart man right there.
Yeah, I'm going to take the fifth on that one. Prenups aren't necessarily a bad thing, right, So, for example, like one of the advantages to prenups is that like if if if one party has a comes from family money for example, right, a lot of their wealth and investments and assets that they have they're tied to other family members, right, And so if you get married and you don't have a prenup, those assets and those business interests could become ingrained in like divorce proceedings or child
support proceedings, and no one really wants to subject their family to that, right. It's disruptive. It can be that it can have like created a lot of economic hardship. So there's something advantages, right, and it also helps both ways, right, because then everyone says, look, no matter what happens, you know, perhaps the non bread winning spouse will be guaranteed a certain amount of support or a certain amount of money. So there are some advantages, right, Yeah, And it's a contract.
It's like everything else. It's a contract. If you can be explicit and spell out the rights and other issues in the document, at least everyone knows, Okay, if A, if the event A happens, then this is what everyone gets, event B, event C.
So Lars and I previously talked about an example of an outrageous well, we both thought it was outrageous. I guess agreement in a prenup and so it was a weight clause essentially, And so one spouse said that if the other spouse went over one hundred and thirty five pounds, then they were entitled to five hundred thousand dollars in damages per pound over one thirty five in the course of the marriage. So, I mean, have you seen any you know, cases of crazy stuff like that.
Personally, haven't seen anything like that. The few agreements that I've I want to say the few, but the agreements that I've been involved with generally, they're pretty boilerplate, right, I mean the most I don't want to say the most atypical because you don't see this in every prenup, but the fidelity clauses, right, So if there's if someone you know cheats, then typically there can be consequences for that.
I like that one.
What are examples of like those kinds without giving out too much?
So for example, it could be that you know, one of the spouses, they may they may be entitled to a reduced amount of support, It could be entitled to a reduced payout, things of that nature. Or it could be conversely, right, it could be that if, for you know, as a hypothetical, if the husband's caught cheating, then he might be required to give the the non cheating spouse in this case, the wife more money. Right, So it depends on really what the parties want to do. I
mean some of these are pretty these agreements. It's like everything else, right, you can you can make it pretty scandalous or as aggressive as you want. The vast majority people aren't going into it thinking worst case scenario, or they wouldn't be doing it in the first place, right, Just a matter of kind of protecting certain interest and then creating an established paradigm in the event that the marriage doesn't work out.
So can you tell when someone's entering a partnership for the wrong reasons?
So the prenup is probably actually an indication that's a healthy marriage, because everyone is looking at like the reality of the world, right, I mean, what happened, what exists today doesn't mean that that's going to exist tomorrow. Life change, people change. But yeah, I mean there are obviously signs, like you know, when things are rushed, when there's a person who's like rushing something or pressuring someone else, that's probably a sign it's not a good relationship. And that's
not just for marriage, could be business in general. And you know, look, you can do things right or you could do them quick. It's rare that you can do you can do right and quick.
So I'm from the old school notion of if you sign on the dotted line, there are no amendments that could be made. And so, you know, we've all heard of the iron clad prenup. Does such a thing exist? Is any prenup iron class?
Yeah?
And I mean that exists pretty much for like any type of document. The general you know, the general premise is that that particular document's fully integrated, meaning that's the whole agreement on that particular subject matter. And there's typically provisions that say there are no amendments unless they're in writing signed by the parties.
Okay, so when can you like, when can a prenup be contested?
So prenup can be contested on procedural or substantive grounds. So, for example, if you give someone a prenup the day before you're about to give birth, or the day before you're about to get married, things like that or whatever, there's a presumption that you're underdress, you don't have enough time to digest it, you don't have independent counsel, things weren't explained to you.
What if you get like a twenty care ring and you're just in just you know, like duress, and then you sign off and the wedding isn't two months, do you still well?
I mean, I mean, it depends. It depends on the facts and circumstances. But the reality is.
That most of the time the prenup kind of stands.
A lot of the time, if it's done correctly, the prenup will be enforceable. And because you know each you know the husband and the wife will have independent counsel, it'll be explained. In many instances, the prenup will be negotiated. Generally, my recommendation is for people to record these things. Right. So even now, like in our office, we're using like a new software. We're basically really important documents. We have a software that basically records people signing it.
Right.
You have to video recording, video recording, you have like a KBA analysis, you have a ID credentialing analysis. Because there's so much fraud and then people always come back if if they sign something later they don't like, oh I didn't sign that. So and so could have signed that. That's pretty smart, right, and then this way it kind of it deters against people taking that position.
That's actually amazing. Yeah, that's great.
Stepping out of the family court. So, what is maybe the dumbest thing that you've seen people fight about in court? And it doesn't necessarily need to be pertaining to divorce, but like.
In general, like, what's the dumbest thing? Because I feel like you tell me really good story. Jason has great stories, and I love going to dinner with you where I'm like, Jason, how is your week? And then you tell me the craziest stories.
Because because the truth of the matter is, like in today's world, you don't have to make things up, right, they don't have to be scripted. Reality is is pretty entertaining. So for sure, I got I mean the craziest story. I mean, I've you know, I had a client who invested a couple of million dollars in like a dog food company, not knowing anything about dog food, and there was no dog food company, and you know, I mean that was nothing. He basically he bought himself a lawsuit.
I mean, that's that's what he did.
And that's kind of like another thing, like you really have to make sure that when you're entering a business, a marriage, any type of a serious relationship, you definitely have to do your research and know who the person is that you're going to be sleepy with.
You know for sure. And that's that's amazing you say it, because that's what I tell people all the time that they want to do like joint ventures, they want to have partners. When you're in a business relationship, it's the same as marriage. You're getting into bed because if you want to get out, you have to dissolve the entity. It's the same thing as dissolving your marriage. It is a business divorce, and.
If they get sued, you potentially can get sued also.
Well, of course, I mean there's a couple of cases now where the lawyers that were representing very bad actors are now being sued because they aided or at least the allegations are that they aided these.
Bad actors, right, who are the actors?
So there was there's a pretty well known case now called like Hammock Oaks, where there was like these board of directors that were essentially they were using like fraudulent accounting practices trying to foreclose their neighbors out buying their units on the cheap. They had their you know, six cousins on the payroll, and they owned the landscaping company.
And then basically they were using because they were on the board, they had the ability to use association funds to pay for lawyers and to pay for defense and things like that, and you know, so it can be kind of dangerous.
Right, Yeah, sounds money.
Okay, So that's the strangest ruling you've ever witnessed a judge make in court. Actually, I've seen some crazy.
Stuff there's all kinds of like crazy rulings. I mean, I've had judges that just because they didn't finish reading the documents, they'll adopt positions that like the Florida Supreme Court has already rejected because they just misread the document or they're too Do.
You ever jump in and you're like, by the way, you forgot to read page like twenty or do not? You can't do that?
Yeah, so you can move for reconsideration. There's a mechanism to kind of correct these types of.
Errors like respectfully, right, like, because if you're too aggressive, they probably.
Will like, well, I mean it's like everything else, you have to be respectful. Right, There's there's rules. But sometimes you know, judges, they're people, right, and sometimes you have really great judges, sometimes mediocre, some not great ones.
Have you ever had an instance where a judge was like, you know, kind of picking on you or coming at you and you had the diss you right back.
Well, yeah, and that happens, you know, pretty frequently. Usually it's it was the better judges that were doing it, yeah, And it was actually I construed it as kind of like a sign of respect, right, because they know they're trying to kind of get me to articulate my position or provide the authority for sure. And that's really what it is. It's most judges they respect the lawyers in front of them, and that's a healthy relationship.
Right.
You want to have credibility. The judges want to be you know, have the confidence that you're giving them the right case law, the right statutes. And it's healthy and I love it. I mean some of the judges. No one likes losing, but some of the judges, you know, they wouldn't grant like a preliminary motion and it was frustrating. But what they were communicating is, look, you there was a procedural issue, or you need to emphasize this point or take more evidence, and then you come back and
then ultimately we could win the case. So it's it's like everything in life. Sometimes you need to take the longer path, but it gets you on to the right conclusion.
Like that.
So let me ask you a question. What if you've got like a family member that doesn't have a whole lot of money, but really believes in themselves and thinks they want to have a prenup, they want to get married, but they can't financially afford a lawyer. Is there a way you can get a prenup without hiring an expensive lawyer?
Yeah, of course. I mean there's there's all kinds of nonprofit you know, options, you know, for people to guide you through it. And the truth is, I mean, some of these prenups depending on what the terms are.
So is it basically like a You could just basically have a contract and a witness. Is that all you need?
Yeah?
Basically?
Oh wow, Okay, that's not interesting. I feel like we've had friends that keep asking us about the stuff and they basically said, Hey, I want to have a prenup just because I know that my company is going to be valued at a whole lot of money in five years from now. I don't want to wait and want to get married sooner, but I can't afford to hire, you know, a thousand dollar an hour attorney to do this.
Yeah, but there's lots of great lawyers out there that are not a thousand of dollars an hour. And the truth of the matter is, it's like everything else in life, if it's meaningful for you, anyone with the internet connection, you can do enough research, you can find the answer, right so it's literally at your fingertips. But a lot of people they just for whatever reason, they don't really want to spend the time to do the research, which is kind of a shame because a lot of these
things like tools. You know, even ten years ago, fifteen years ago, if you wanted to do real legal research, you had to go to a law library. Right like now you have all these different platforms that the better ones typically are paid subscriptions, but they're at your fingertips, and there's a lot of free ones and they have free trials. So it's again, it's for the If it's important enough, people find a way to be educated on the story.
You have access to information that's like really.
Really nice, Jason. Historically the legal system has favored mothers it comes to custody cases. But have you seen the tide turning on that in recent years.
Yeah, I've actually I've seen that a lot. I've seen the tide turning a lot. Right now in Florida, the law just became effective last year. But basically they the legislature passed new laws that created a presumption that both parents are entitled to equal time sharing and equal print or responsibility. So that's the presumption. That's the starting point, right, and then of course the court will weigh a variety
of factors to determine. Okay, one parent seems to be the better decision maker should be given more responsibility, or just practically one parent. If someone just stay at home parent or has a more flexible work schedule, maybe they should get a little bit more than the fifty percent time schedule.
Yeah, that's that's cool.
I feel like more. I feel like in twenty twenty three, dads are really really more involved. I feel like my dad's generation, I don't. I feel like dads were not as involved. Dads were like providers.
Yea, I feel like, you know, the tide has been changing and turning over the over recent years.
Yeah, women work just as hard as money, and.
It sounds like there's more of a strike based system, Like if you have more negatives against you than you know, the court might rule in favor of the other spouse or something like that.
So let me ask you another question, Jason, is a marriage considered legal if the man only mirrored because he got her pregnant but later found out that child was not his? Can you have it annulled if you find out that the child is not yours.
Yeah, I think that's basically that does.
Happen sometimes, Yeah, it does kind of happen.
Yeah, And there's a lot of It's not even just about like the child, right, it could be any kind of like material false representation. Really, yeah, because when people forget and this comes up. There was a really crazy case I had involving like an engagement ring, and then it ballooned into you know, someone wanting like implants back. I mean it was really no, yeah, it was.
It was only his boobs back that he paid for.
Yeah, I'm not mad at that.
So, yeah, it ballooned. I was only in the case for very.
Very If they're not going to be together, he should not. Another man should enjoy the boots.
I spent that money. You know he's.
Enjoy the booths long enough.
Yeah, I'm not.
I don't.
I don't think even in my last days, I'll probably understand like the psychology of what he wanted plants for.
That's pretty funny.
Yeah. But but basically marriage and and this comes up a lot. There's actually a lot of litigation about engagement rings, but marriage it's it's actually a contract, right, I mean, you are entering into this binding relationship based on a contract. So, just like any other contract, if someone lies to you and that lies material and you rely on it to your detriment, then there's a basis to resent.
Feel like a lot of women don't know that.
I feel like a lot of people don't know that. You know, good lawyers can argue anything in the court.
So well, one of the one of the craziest cases kind of along that. I think it was out of somewhere out of Asia. But basically there was a man married this woman, really attractive woman, and they had a child. The child came out and in his words, was the
ugliest creature he ever saw. So he couldn't understand. He was like, I don't I'm not that ugly, you know, She's not that ugly, And so he started like doing little digging and then he realized that basically she had plastic surgery from head to toe and for her entire life was getting these procedures done. And so he sought to have his marriage and nolled and saw damages from her, and he wanted and he won, he won, and he won.
And what the chord with this particular my recollection is what the cord found is that yes, if you can do all these things, but if you don't disclose it, then you're basically giving the false impression that you will probably have beautiful children.
Wow.
Wow, ladies, you definitely disclose all your plastic surgery because you can have all your marriage.
I don't know.
I I kind of agree with the judge in that case because, like, you know, false, I feel like.
To say exactly, and I feel.
Like, you know, I was going to ask about an example of like a fraud let's say, like a Bernie made off or something like that, and not to necessarily say, you know, that exact example, but let's say you marry somebody and the you know, the impression is that they've got this successful business or you helped build a successful business that was all based on fraud. You know, could
you then ask for an annoment? And so it sounds like there's cases out there or examples that maybe you can argue in your favor.
Yeah, definitely are.
Jason, At what point is it too late to get an annoment? Is there a statute of limitations on something like that?
I don't know, I mean, like any cause based on state, right, Yeah, it would vary by the jurisdiction, and most causes of action at some point there's what's called the statute limitation, right, So you couldn't You probably couldn't bring that twenty years later, yeah, because at that point there would be you know, a presumption that it's too late, right, I mean, you waited too long. You should have known earlier. You're stuck like Chuck in Florida. I think it's stuck ten or twelve years.
Like most causes of action, after ten or twelve years, you can't bring them anymore because wow. Yeah, And the courts need to do it, right, I mean they need to kind of prioritize things that are like relevant, and I mean think about how you're going to find evidence from twenty years ago or twenty five years ago. All the witnesses are, they move, they're dead, they have dementia, they're rehab somewhere years right, you know, so yeah, a.
Lot of crazy things happen. So wait, do you have like extensive knowledge and cases involving fraud and tell us some of your clients who have lost millions because I know when I've talked to you before, you were like really stressed out because you were like, I'm dealing with all these different cases, and I think there was like a fraud case that you were working on.
Yeah, I mean, fraud happens all the time, and it comes in all shapes and forms, right and unfortunately, I mean, and most of the better frauds actually seem to be where the people can juice someone else for five million bucks,
ten million bucks, fifty million bucks. And it's kind of like, I don't know, there's like some unspoken ability for people like, oh, if you have the balls to ask me for fifty million dollars, like you must be legit, right what because the people the people asking you for five grand or ten grand, Like the first thing that goes off in your head is, oh, wait a minute, you know, like this doesn't make sense, Like you must not be that successful if you need five grand for me, right right.
But if someone comes to you with like some business idea. Look, I'm putting in all this money and I need fifty million to get it off the ground, You're like, oh, well, this guy must be really asking for fifty million dollars.
Yeah, I'll bet you.
It's kind of like it's kind of like that show do you remember on Netflix inventing Anna.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
I could not believe all the banks and all the people that she was able to like convince that she was not who she really is, Like, yeah, it's crazy.
People are very persuasive.
The actor strike is happening as we speak, and a big issue of contention is artificial intelligence. But it's obviously not just a Hollywood issue. And so tell us why the average American should be at least concerned or researching.
Yes, so AI. It's like every other piece of tech, right, it could be something that can be very helpful, and it can be something it's very very dangerous. So it's kind of like that new software that was telling you about, you know, for example, like when we were doing closings or material transactions. Historically, what we've always done is we get notarized wire instructions. We followed with the phone calls. We want to get as much info as possible, send
an ID. But now if somebody has your voice, right, so for example, you guys are public people, you've spoken on different speaking events or online, there's now a technology where somebody can take enough samples of your voice insane, and then they can call if they get the right number and get the right info. They could call your bank and say, hey, can you send a wire to blah blah blah. Yeah, it'll and it'll sound like you. And they can spoof your phone number.
You need a key phrase like A like so these so like.
This AI, like these deep fakes, like the way that they're programmed and the way they can be deployed can be really dangerous. But AI has been around for it wasn't always called like AI, but basically you have these when you have enough data sets, you can have the software to run algorithms that will start narrowing it down and using it and producing things. So we've been using it for you know a number of years, not ready.
I've seen you know, different applications popping up almost like every day now.
And you know, I saw like.
AI added to Excel and you can like type in what the AI is supposed to do or formulas and it just auto populates it. Or like Photoshop, you can type in, oh, you could upload a picture and then type in change the background to a scenic background in Bali and it just automatically like gives you options for that. And so obviously those are some of the lower hanging fruits of AI. But I can only imagine how you know it can impact the law world.
Well, I think it also impacts school, Like think about it when you went to law school or like when I was studying political science, I feel like it was like hard to write all these forty page papers, but now you can have someone else write it for you, Like it's crazy.
Yeah, I mean then again, I mean there was a recent incident where I think it was from New York. There was a lawyer that had used AI application to draft motion with the court and then I guess they didn't prove it and they didn't vet the authorities that were cited. They filed it with the court and not only was it wrong, like the authorities they cited wrong fake oh wow what and yeah, and the lawyer got sanctioned and it was kind of like.
A lazy ass lawyer.
Yeah.
Well there's unfortunately there's a lot of those. But basically this software because and you got to look at really going back to kind of like the concern point, you got to understand like where this came from, right, this came from like Google, from Facebook, from Instagram, from Twitter, and it just all these applications which have been you know, free.
They pick up all these data points on you, so they understand the terminology, what your search terms are, what you're looking at, what you're saving, what you're downloading, and then they use all that data and now they can predict what people do. And so yeah, it's it's it's pretty crazy. So I mean they you could you could type in supposedly, uh, you know, write me a letter on this topic, and I need it to be fifty pages long, and it'll bang it out and you can
say I want it to be aggressive. I want it to be I wanted to be soft. I want it to be right and and and it has the capability because it's a mass, you know, trillions and trillions of data.
Points you have used.
No, I kind of feel like, well, I don't know it's Instagram a I because I feel like if you can alter photo, it's like but if you can alter your photos, is that not like yeah, different, It's.
More like if you typed into a platform like make me skinnier or brighten my hair color or no, like.
No, I know you haven't, but I do feel.
I do feel like this is I do feel like I do feel like this this whole process has been going on for the last like what like ten eight years, ten years something like that, because think about it, first, we had like all these different social media platforms where you're able to alter how you look, alter how you sound. You can take a photo and like get some kind of app where it shows that you're on the beach and you can literally be in prison all this stuff.
Yeah on the zoom background.
I'm just saying, everything in today's world is so hocus pocused. None of this stuff's real. It's crazy because think about it. Back when we were kids, you used to have to handwrite your paper, You used to really have to know math. Like now everything is everything is so easy that it's like, how are kids going to be challenged? They're not, how are they going to be challenged?
Well, I mean it's kind of the byproduct of like American society becoming amassing the wealth that they have. Right, everything is convenient, easy, and we have these types of tools, and then people will kind of use it for the wrong way. Personally, when I have meetings with people, I want to meet in person, right if I can, you know, if I can even talk to someone not necessarily FaceTime,
but like zoom. I prefer that over the phone. There's a different interaction, and that's kind of the interaction I miss, like even now with courts, and it's only in rare circumstances you actually go to court. But for me, that's like important. You can judge credibility, you can see how's the other person reacting, and that's kind of what we're losing there. I mean, what was the movie with Bruce Willis.
It was called like Surrogates or something where basically he just sat in the house like all day and he had this like avatar running around doing all this stuff. I mean, but with the technology that exists today, I mean, you could you could basically.
Do that if you want to do that's for sure.
Think about this. It's also like in dating, like all these dating apps, I feel like people swipe swipe because you're looking at someone's photo and someone's bio that like their friend had had them right up. Yeah, but if you spent if you literally spent ten minutes on a.
Dating site, would be like find me like an exact statistics, So you'd be like looking for a five foot five women with blonde hair and brown eyes. I'm just saying with AI is like you can program the algorithm to do what you want versus just seeing a generic algorithm.
No, of course I get what you're saying.
Yeah, and so Jason, is there something that people can do now to protect themselves from like the harms of AI?
Yeah, I mean, just you just got to verify, right, follow up? Talk to people on the phone, if you can see them in person is better. I mean there's because again, I mean, you just hear a voice on the end of the phone. You don't really know, right if you get a you know, one of the biggest scams a lot of people get is they get something that will pop up on their computers saying, oh, you need your computer's been hacked. We can solve it for you. Call this number and then take your credit card time
and people fall for that. People do you know, or they'll get a phone call. They'll say, this is really common, especially for my foreign clients. They'll get these phone calls from people saying that they work for the US government from the IRS and basically, if you don't send X number of dollars through like a money order by tomorrow, they're going to be arrested and without fail. I mean I can tell you ninety percent of my foreign clients they get these types of messages, they get these phone
calls and they call me frantic. I don't understand there's nothing that was owed everything, the count and handles everything, and I'm like, no, that's not how the IRS operates. Right, they send you a letter, they follow up, and so one of the ways you could do if you get a phone call from a bank, from an agency, anything like that, or any even a phone number from someone you're doing a deal with, right it could be a
real estate broke or a lawyer accountant. If you don't recognize the number, you don't know the name, call them back. Call the number that you're familiar with. That's a great idea and confirm. And that's one of the ways that you can sure that like these are real things, because you're going to see these types of scam going to be all over the place.
Yeah, I'm so paranoid. I don't even trust my grandmother. Like, if my grandmother is calling me asking me for personal numbers and stuff, I'm like, I'll call you right back.
Like it's funny because I changed my number a couple of months back, and it's the first time I changed my number and like, I don't know a long time, and I just felt like as I was texting people, Hey, it's Mark because I got a new number, then they in turn, we're calling other people that we knew mutually just to verify, like it's just real, because you know, it's like I don't know, it's just funny.
That's what made me. It made me think of that a little bit.
Yeah, I mean you definitely have to like do your research and find.
You're talking about why did you change your number? Someone put your number in like Craigslist.
Not that I know, I wouldn't I wouldn't doubt it, but not just a new chapter, you know, turning the.
New changing my numbers. Yeah, I feel like it's good. It's good to do a lot.
I had to cut some people off, you know, you know, it's good for the good to start exactly.
But I will say that, like, I feel like what you do is like super fascinating for me. I love hearing your stories.
No, no, I love and there's no there's no two days that are alike. Every day there's something new, and it's it's generally fun. And I mean I personally couldn't imagine doing anything else. And again, as the world evolves, like the practice of law evolves, there's new problems, new solutions.
What are you seeing most frequently these days in terms of the cases that you take the court.
I mean just a lot. So I mean so again, like right now, we're still at least especially in South floor, I should say, we're still like in an economic boom. Right people are still making but money, businesses are good, real estate values are up. What I suspect will happen is that when the economy cycles down and businesses don't survive or you know, business ventures don't they're no longer viable,
that's when people will fight. Right When, when people are making money, everything's good, no one will look at the contracts, No one cares what the contracts say. When things go bad and people start losing money, that's when the fighting typically happens. So you know, the lesson kind of is, you know, if you're going to sign something, it's make sure you're comfortable with what you're signing, and I generally look at it. Okay, worst case scenario, right, armageddon happens.
Worst case scenario if the agreement, if you can survive with whatever the outcome is under the agreement, then that's a good investment. If you can't, don't do it. And if you don't like the agreement, you're better off having no agreement than a bad agreement.
That's true.
That's true. Okay, So before we let you go, what's one piece of legal advice that you'd like to leave our listeners with.
If I can only give one, it's just if you have nothing intelligent to say, or you can't be honest about somebody, say nothing. You know, we have that amendment bill wrights people never exercise it.
And everybody's doing that because there's times when I do interviews and I feel pressured to say something like I did yesterday when I was doing my interview, and I feel like I need to be in a place where I don't have to like answer questions. Sometimes I could just be like I do I'm not comfortable answering that, but I just feel like sometimes I don't. I'm like a little kid sometimes I need to.
I think you like to be the life of the party sometimes and that sometimes sways you into making decisions you normally wouin.
So I mean it's okay to say no, right, And I think that's what I think that comes from saying I agree with that. Yeah, you know, so don't don't be shy about it. And you know, again, I mean, I know a lot of people get in a lot of trouble because they couldn't keep their mouth shut.
I hear you, that's okay. So the power is saying no, I'm going to start taking that. Guys to two of my favorite guys to my left and to my right.
Yeah, I love that.
Well, you guys, we had an amazing time. Thank you so much Jason with us, and I hope today was insightful. I know a lot of people are going through hard times, divorces, you.
Have relationshships, Like any conversation with Jason is.
Always it's always fun. Yeah, it's always fun. And I think, like I think what I got from today was basically like, do your research.
Yeah, oh, the diligence is super important. And again, I mean paper is easy, right, anyone with a computer can put it, but you gotta you have to verify it to do your diligence. If you're gonna make a material investment or you know, a partnership with someone, do your background, know who you're getting into.
And I like what Jason said about, you know, trying to take meetings in person looking for people like my eyes, you can kind of get a good feel. I feel like people have gone away from that, especially through COVID. Everything's become virtual. But whenever you get the chance, look somebody and I you can kind of tell what they're about.
You know, you know what. It also reminds me of like I feel like my gut instincts are so good.
You do have it.
I feel like and if whenever I don't, I don't listen to it, I always feel like later on I'm like I knew it, Like Larsa, you knew it. Why did you listen to yourself? Because I do feel like when you're sitting across from someone I've been in bad deals, Like we had a financial guy that literally stole twenty million dollars from us and I never liked him, and I remember sitting across from him and I knew he was not a good.
I feel like, even on a relationship level, like you're a good judge of character in terms of like when your friends try to introduce you to their.
Way, friends like that you've got good instincts in terms.
I am but I am. But you know what, I feel like, it's because like I've been screwed a lot, you know. I think it comes from a place that I feel like it comes from a place of like, you know, like, oh, I should have listened to what I was thinking and feeling on the inside.
You know.
There's so many people that I've met that I've been like accountants, business people all the time where they dress really well, they speak, they speak over you, they're speaking way smarter than you over your head, and you want to believe everything they say, but like there's something inside of you that's telling you that you shouldn't trust this person.
They're not looking after your best interests, you know. And so I feel like a lot of times for me, like now it's finally like I'm at a place where I can like speak up as far as like I don't trust this person, you know, I feel like they don't give me a good unders.
Face to face. I mean, yeah, it'll make the good relationships better, strengthen those, and then the ones that are kind of shaky people, they won't have time because it's a lot harder. It's easier for someone to send an email and make up the ass or even say it on the phone. It's different when you're shitting, you know, a couple of inches or foot away from someone, they look you in the You call somebody a liar, of course.
I would, yeah, J to be like you're lying, Yeah, of.
Course I would.
I think you're good at that too. Bag call liars out too.
I do call liars out, but at the same time, like I don't know how to use my voice for no. When I do my interviews, you know, it's like, now you know what I think it is. I think I'm one of those people that like I was a good student, and I like to listen to like teachers.
You'd like to go above and beyond me. You want to get an A plus and everything that.
That's probably that's not a bad thing, that's not a bad thing.
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