All right, everybody. He is a podcaster, an artist, a VP, Demetrius Houdini Black Reynolds. What's up, man? What's up? What's up, man? Happy to be here. How are you? I'm doing well. Thank you so much for doing this. Absolutely, man. I really appreciate the opportunity.
It's just a blessing, bro. Yeah, I had your brother on a while back and he was like, oh, my brother's VP of Busy Bone and everything like that i'm like and then all of a sudden like literally right after he told me what you did or whatever you hit me up and wanted to be on the show so let's go man this is awesome, yeah man for sure so talk about your journey i know you've been in the game since like what like 2000 i read like 2001 is that true yeah yeah that's crazy
right out of high school i got a record deal. Wow. Kind of untraditional record deal, but it was still a record deal. I met this homie and started in middle school. And then from there, we were developing our styles and our personas. So moving into high school, it just got deeper and deeper because we were both in a band. He played percussion and I played the trumpet. So we began to become musically inclined recorder, a mini tape recorder. I think it was my dad's or something like that.
And we would use that to record or rehearse our songs. So we had like hours and hours of just songs, like profession, perfection. Yeah. To the point to where we were just reciting our verses on point. We didn't have to look at lyrics or anything like that. It was just second nature, writing every day, They record these little tapes every day. And then we were like, you know, how can we take it further? And fortunately, we had a friend who had a father who was a Mason and had a record label.
And we watched them, you know, do all sorts of cool things. And we were like, hey, man, talk to your dad. You know, and he did. And, you know, they gave him the tape. And I was like, whoa, you guys are talented. And they gave us a deal. But they wanted us to perform beatboxing on a professional recording. Though you own 100% of your music. Oh, yeah. I remember this. Join a company. And they have all the money.
They have all the power they're putting up money for production you know yeah they were paying for high quality studio time we we cut a we cut our first demo with one of the biggest dj in jacks mississippi from 99 jam shout out to dj finesse we cut those records in his home using reels like not instagram reels the old the old reels reels that look like you know the movie reel or the There were data tapes. Yeah, data tape.
Not the reels. Data tapes. Okay. No, it's cool, man. I don't even know where those things are at. And if I find them. They're in some museum somewhere, man. You'll never hear those songs. They were terrible. Yeah, so let's talk about, fast forward to, was it No Days Off? Yeah, okay. Yeah, let's talk about that. So I listened to one of the songs on there, and it reminded me, just the title reminded me of what I've been doing.
I do like nine to fives, and I just got a new job. I'm starting soon, hopefully. Yeah, thank you. And it's an office job, but it pays the bills.
I'm excited. it so anyways the title you could probably guess what song i'll let you take a guess it's nine to five it has some sort of time it has to be this is everyone's favorite i think it's like a story it has a number in it you should know obviously 6 a.m oh that one really yeah i like that song i also like i also like what was the bill for greatness obviously those Those were the two that I listened to. And I also listened to Survival Mode. Is that the one you were originally thinking of?
No, no. This one's a more aggressive approach to the 9 to 5 job. Okay, so talk about that one. We can get to those later. Talk about what song are you talking about? I'm trying to think of the name, man. This is like... It's been a minute, right? 2005. When I graduated high school. So, you know. Yeah, this is 2005. This is like me going through a bad marriage. This is me working a nine-to-five job and then retail management, actually.
And then coming home, trying to be an artist on the weekend and at night, and raising a son and a daughter. So this is this point in my life, a lot of frustrations going on here. So the track I'm talking about is called... We can always get back to it. Yeah, we can get back to it. But it's talking about me waking up to go rob a bank because I just got fired from a job. And then since I'm contemplating to go rob a bank, I go outside and my car's been stolen. So now I can't.
Is this based on a true story are we talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I exaggerated a little bit because I never robbed a bank. That's why I said based.
I would assume it's based. i mean i don't know to you to each their own you know i've seen i've seen bank robber movies the town is a is one i've seen you know yeah but anyways sorry go ahead it caused me to contemplate stealing you know robbing a bank in a dream type of thing you know i'm not yeah i'm not equipped to rob any kind of bank so anyhow we're going through these situations and i'm like man you You know, this job is frustrating.
I just need a Red Bull and I'll burst this wall, you know, kick my bosses and, you know, and ninjas, turtles come save the day. I don't know, man. It's a real funny story. But to me, it was real. I just over over exaggerated for. Of course. You know, it's like movie. It's like movies or anything else. You know, you you take the truth, but you turn it up to, you know, 100. That's it, man. Turning lemonades and lemonades. Right. Yeah, exactly.
Exactly. And Drake happened. So I was friends with Drake on MySpace 2005. Now, me and Drake have a, I won't say a relationship, but we probably definitely knew of each other. Like I said, we were friends on MySpace and I've been following him for a long time. I used to watch Degrassi, you know, wheelchair.
Jimmy. Yeah. Wheelchair Jimmy. jimmy so so i began to put like my demos on my space what i believe is that drake stole well that's the harsh word drake was inspired by the sound that i was putting out because it was a mix of rapping with harmony like bone doesn't harmony but a little more i got a little more slower you know yeah yeah. The vibes were right. Yeah, the vibes were right. And then out of the blue, man, he drops this tape and he drops it in my Facebook
Messenger account. I have the proof. It's not the thank me later, Mr. Tape. It's the one before that. Okay. He didn't have any facial hair and had like a little partial line with some background. Looked like the Windows 98 background, you know, with the fall leaves, the road.
He had a background like that. anyhow and since he did that i feel like i should just hold off on putting my album out because, if everybody everyone was going crazy for this drake sound which i believe that i inspired to this day and i'm gonna hold on to that so 20 2007 i actually put out the album that's when the album came out okay yeah so bill for bill for greatness man i mean that's a self-explanatory man so So everybody knows the word,
or obviously everyone knows receipts, transactions every day. But receipts as in the connotation of, if someone talks shit, I'll remember that. Is that what that was? Just basically, I'll remember shit if you F with me? Kinda? No, man. What kind of receipts are we talking about here? So I have the album that he dropped in my inbox and asked me to support it. And when I played the project, I was like, this sounds like me. It sounds like what was on my mind space.
But also at the time and still to this day that, you know, whatever anyone's inspired or want to borrow or take, I think I'm just this is not to be like. An egotistic statement. I just think that I could be so creative that I wouldn't care if someone stole or borrowed or were inspired by something that I did. Because I'm the same way. I'm an artist who were inspired by other artists before me, busy being one of them.
Yeah. I've told this story before on the podcast, but I remember being at a party. This had to have been like 2008, I think, something like that. And I don't know who it was i'm from florida i live in like near orlando is where i grew up like near coca beach seytona beach that whole area that whole area out there and i was at a party and they were talking about how someone was paying like um i don't know if it was six figures but it was it was a lot for a beat.
And then like someone made a someone made a joke about you know you gotta have you gotta have at least five to get to get heard is that a little high well i mean this was back in 2008 2008 five figures to get started was he bullshitting or was he for being for real you think he was being for real to break an artist yeah yeah to break an artist is about 150k, to quarter mil oh so five so five figures that was probably legit back then if it was high right no yeah i don't know but i
was like damn all right and i kept sipping my drink i'm like i don't want nothing to do with that yeah i mean a lot of money man you know 50 000 75 000 could you know do a lot most of it going into marketing and radio but yeah how was your because obviously i'm from the south so home of 50 wayne you know list goes on what's your thoughts on uh 50 cent he was my guy you got any thoughts on uh on him yeah yeah man i like 50 cent he's he's one of my top.
Oh, persons who I call influential when it comes to music. Curtis, Curtis Jackson. Yeah. I have his book, Pieces to Wait, The Fifth Year of Law. I don't necessarily watch the TV shows, but those books, yeah, I've read those and interviews. I study those a lot. He was one of the OGs, man, like 2000s OGs, you know? Yeah, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I pulled the move from 50 Cent. It's a wild story behind this, man. I got kidnapped behind this, but 50 Cent was doing the whole beef thing.
That was the thing. Everybody was doing beef records. If you want to get on, you got to follow the 50 Cent blueprint. But what we didn't know, me and my homie, is that you got to back it up when they show up. So we're thinking like, okay, this is just going to be something on wax.
We actually did something crazy went to this barber shop where he worked that we recorded the song first and then we came up to this barber shop where he worked at and was like dude, check this song out and it was a diss record to him and he's like yeah i'm gonna play it for everybody's like oh okay yeah yeah sure yeah and so he played the track in front of everybody man and we're going in on this cat just man it's it's i mean we're dropping nukes on them some some
sensitive personal information, just letting them have it. And everyone in the barbershop is like.
And we're like stopping stopping yeah stopping mid-cut you know yeah yeah what do we do at this point do we stand on this business as they say nowadays you know yeah or do we run out of here yeah like protect it's kind of like protecting the the territory or you know yeah yeah so we looked at each other and we nodded so we know i was like okay if it's a fight we're fighting you know we're not gonna run we just diss someone you know how does that look we run then he automatically win
so he doesn't say anything he's just he's just brooding he's like okay okay i see what's going on okay okay and we was like all right man sayonara sucker yeah enjoy the record you know and we leave man we're just chilling you know doing what kids do we're like in our early 20s so we're like wow you know i really don't want to get too deep into it oh no no no that That may be a story for another day, because how exciting it was.
No, I was just telling you, he was my guy, and then that's a great story, man. To get to the point is that a lot of things happened from that record. People were calling my phone, just playing Beethoven. What is this about? And then you're hanging up. They'll call and be like, yeah, I'm ordering 100 pizzas. Yeah, I'll see you soon, bud, with these hot pizzas.
What's this about? out and so that's funny yeah you were like okay okay so they're playing mind games you know let's really let's really let's really make our name state our claim you know puff our chest you know so we go to his studio.
We're coming with like six or seven guys who's we hard so we go to a neighborhood yeah but who is we like you and a bunch of people like yeah me and a bunch of people yeah so me and my homie snow, uh he's a white guy smile was my best friend at the time and then this neighborhood that we hung out in we had a little clique posse whatever you want to call crew hey guys we're about to go smash.
You know come on jump in so everyone hops in my pony act it's like seven of us in the car that's a bad idea you know if you're from jackson like we are because you're gonna get pulled over by cops but amazingly we went through town and no one saw it so we arrive at this studio it's locked the dude's not there like we had baseball bats chains you know outsiders movie yeah we're coming to get down you know we're tired of the my game you're coming
with with the stuff man it's going we're coming with the stuff and he wasn't there so we were like okay so how are we gonna make our mark and i was like yo we're not gonna damage the studio because then that's you know that's that's another story for us you know we're not criminals so instead we just littered our flyers all over the parking lot and pasted our flyers all over what yeah let them know that we've been in here looking for
you you know yeah games yeah all right fast forward things happened and got really weird with a bunch of cars coming around to my my dad's house where my family stayed and.
I was like okay dad i think i was still living there yeah i was i stopped me and me and snow was living there the white guy yeah i convinced my parents to let him stay there uh they were good christian they are good christian parents so they're not going to turn down anyone who needs help and of course no help at the time so we're bunking there and i was like yo we gotta leave telling my family yo we have to leave things are getting crazy and i don't want anything to happen
to you guys and we got a phone call that said yeah you better be glad your dad's a preacher because we'll bum your house and it was like all right all right all right you're threatening my family he's talking he's talking that shit yeah yeah yeah it's time to meet okay so we we we get a phone call about a meeting because like i said it was getting weird i was making phone calls too because if there's a problem then i feel like i gotta deal with the problem and anybody around
this problem is going to get dealt with too because if your friends are accustomed to this problem you're going to seek revenge and the only thing to do is just wipe them all out that was my my belief at the time. So this is the mind frame I'm going in, right? I'm getting real dangerous. You know, I'm getting beyond of who Demetrius was.
And snow's right there's like yeah yeah yeah yeah he's right there so now i'm you know i got a homie too so if it's geronimo at this point you know if he jumped we all jump right right i think most people i think most people understands that mindset yeah you know so we get this phone call and we're like yeah it's getting crazy you know there's a bunch of death threats flying around you know so let's have a sit down in a neutral place let's
go to the mall and just talk and you you know, handle business. So I was like, okay, yeah, it was cool. So we're heading to the mall. And Snow's like, you know what? I have a bad feeling about this. Let's just go to Hattiesburg and just start a new life and just change our names. I was like, what? But on the way I was considering that because I was like, you know what? I don't want to die over rat beef. Like who does that?
Those are just words, you know? But fortunately, unfortunately the words got got serious so we arrived to the mall we sit down and all of a sudden like just these dudes with blank faces surrounding us and they're like yeah yeah we are a group of people i won't say who the group of people are it's like we're a group of people and we can make you disappear without a trace and no one would care come with us and so we got kidnapped because we didn't have a choice.
And we're driving through mississippi i don't know if you heard stories about mississippi i have not i'm right now i live in pensacola on the alabama border so it's not too too far, but i've also like i said i've been raised in the south so i i think i'm getting the the picture but i have never been to that area no but yeah so i'll paint the picture for you okay north florida right you're from yeah yeah central florida but yeah i'm
familiar with north florida i'm a jacks fan i go jacksonville all the time all right so there is a heavy racial racial tension in North Florida, right? Yeah. Certain parts. Sure. Okay. So that's here in Mississippi. Okay. There are a lot of places that you can come up missing, you know, or, you know, yeah, come missing. So we are blindfolded and we're driving through, I don't know where we're going, man. We're like driving for three hours and all of a sudden we're told to get out.
And they take the blindfolds off, and we're in the middle of nowhere, and it's pitch black. It wasn't when we left the mall. It was daylight. But when we got to this destination in the middle of nowhere, it was pitch black. And it's like, yeah, so what's all of this stuff you guys are talking? It's time to stand on it. We're about to just put it into this. Put two in the head. What? No, two in the chest and one in the head. You know, they're like, say your prayers.
Snow drops down to his knees and he's crying, praying. And I was like, you know what? I'm not going to drop to my knees, but I will pray. And I'll, you know, face whatever comes. And they're like, oh, so you a soldier? I was like, no, but what's the point? If you're going to do it, you're going to do it. I'm not going to beg you or, you know, let you brag about the moment, you know, make it happen, Captain, you know.
And, you know, he's just standing there stunned, I guess. He's like, yo, you got a death wish? I was like, yo, bro, I just told you, man, you're wasting time. Either you're going to do it or you're not going to do it. You know, the field's too grand for me to run away, but maybe I'll zigzag. And I'm telling him my plans. And he's like, what's wrong with this kid? And he's like, yo, look, get up, get up, get up, Snow. This is like an initiation.
We just wanted to prove, we just wanted some guys in our crew who were soldiers. And you guys passed. Even though you dissed me in front of my people, that's very commendable. And I need people like you guys.
And me and snow's like whoa what what you know we were at the fight now we thought we're about to die and now we're not going to die and it was a trick yeah you felt like you were getting you felt like you were getting like like punked a little bit kind of no not really man i just feel like what was the point of that you know you want to prove that you're some kingpin not really bro.
Fortunately you know we allowed ourselves to you know be walked into that but at the end of the Today, it wasn't like that, you know. And thankfully to God, it was just a joke and not, you know, something that I wouldn't be here telling you about. But any lessons in that? Busy told me after the fact, after I met him, is that when you beef with someone, you never say their name because you never know what comes to that, who they're connected to, who their cousins are, anything like that.
You never know if you're messing up some kind of business or there's some kind of police operation going on. Right. Any kids out there, just don't do it in songs. If you got a problem with somebody, talk it out. Like I said, you never know who's connected to who. And at the end of the day, it's not worth it being taken into a field, you know, and a gun placed on your head. Yeah. Well, I appreciate you telling your story. And I'm sure that'll people listen.
And hopefully that gets a message across to people like, hey, you know, man to man, woman, you know, person to person. That's what happens to me. So you mind if I tell a story real quick? Yeah. Okay, so... I've told this before, but it's been a while. So this is episode 244.
So when we did, I had a co-host back in the day and we got together for 100 and he, apparently he was like, talk, I didn't say, I've never said this part, but I think he was like talking shit about me, like behind my back to like his other friends. Cause he's from New York too. And you, you probably, I don't know if you've been in New York, but you know that New Yorkers have a different mentality than, than I'll take that back.
No they do but i'm trying to think that whole area trying to think that the whole area you know yeah but that whole new england area is what i'm thinking all the way up to maine that whole area are just like they have a different mentality and you know and was i sensitive sure probably but we got wasted and i haven't speak i haven't spoke to him since because i got what off my mind you You know what I mean? I got off my chest what it was to his face.
I felt like I was sticking up for myself. I actually left and then they wanted me to come back and record. So basically what we were doing, we were doing like a best of. So all I needed was his introductions for clips. Yeah. So we got into each other's face for a little bit. And I'm like, bro, I don't support politics. We're on different sides of the politics. I'm not going to get into politics, but I'm just saying political differences. I mean, there was nothing off limits.
So I understand about if you got something on your mind, say it to someone's face. I believe that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right, so let's get to Busy Bone. How did you guys meet? So, man, Busy Bone, man. Busy has been my mentor, favorite artist since he went solo in 98. Even with the group, it was always between either busy or crazy, majority of busy. And in 98, he had his solo debut.
And there was an address on the back of the CD, and I wrote a letter, like some stan on like stan eminem you know yeah of course predicting the future like yo one day we're going to work together one day we're going to make a lot of money together one day we're going to tour together one day you know doing all saying all this crazy stuff but i didn't know i was speaking that kind of things into existence and i was believing it so much man that i was you you know,
sometimes this is high school, 98. I would cry about the situation like, Oh, I want to be an artist so bad. Oh, I want to be on tour so bad, you know, like pleading with God, just part heavens, part the clouds and, you know, bless me, you know, make it happen. And the belief in myself. And I had a homie country verse who also believed in me and what we were doing. And that helped us get that record deal that helped.
A lot of things, you know, position itself to where, you know, we were just wheezing through things. I mean, breezing through things. Opportunities here, here, there. We're on the radio. Right. We're doing this. We're opening it up for the mayor. We're doing all kind of political things in Jackson community. We're winning trophies award. And Busy never returned my letter, of course. But at this time, I began to... Develop a career in retail, working myself up to a manager.
And we had a chance to sell Russell Simmons clothes, baby fat and fat form. And my store did so well that he came down to visit and had a chance to meet him. And he was like, so what's your whole marketing plan?
I was writing the commercial jingles for the radio, for TV, for this store I was the manager of, plus managing two locations in two different cities and he's like oh what's your whole plan because you're out selling any other store and i've seen your market and it's mixed you have white people black people mexican people you know the culture is very diverse in this area what are you doing so i shared with i shared with him my plan and the things i were
doing on radio and on tv and he was like man i need you to come on the road with me and i did as an intern came on the I wrote him working with Fat Form. There's a picture of me somewhere on the internet. And from there, he began to teach me the music industry, like from the management standpoint, especially with business structure. And I took these things. After that ended, I came home and Busy's artists were looking for like a manager. And that's how I got in the door, through managing.
Fortunately, though, I had to prove myself. So I was a part of the street team. And Busy did his interview. He was like, yeah, man, I got people jumping in the clique and they're just in boot camp learning the game. I don't even know their names, but they're there. They're doing their thing. And that was me. I was one of those no name guys putting in work. My whole mentality was just be water, be anything that you can be to get yourself in the door.
And then you position yourself to work yourself up. And that's how I did any job. Even with retail, I came in. Well, no, no, I was blessed with that. I came in as a manager training. But any other job before that, I started on the ground floor, washing dishes, sweeping the floor, whatever it was, just to get in there, get in the building. Mm-hmm. And I used that same concept with Busy. Just let me in the building. Let me do the rest or let God do the rest.
Yeah. So I was introduced to certain people like Rick Robinson, rest in peace. He was Busy's manager at the time and also managing some business deals for Bone Threads and Harmony. Plus, he was from Mississippi. And I only knew that because I used to study Busy's albums, read the thank yous. He had a session called the FUs.
And i would read everything cover to cover and i saw rick robertson name and rick robertson dropped an album and he shot it out mississippi said my states say oh what this is homeboy, and i started doing my research and you know diving deep into his career how he started he's from book haven and he was big here when he dropped records so i got a chance to you know meet with his family and talk to him and he just took me on his arm as a mentor and started
teaching me the other side of like booking uh booking shows right take care of like admin stuff paying attention to detail so i'm working my butt off you know i get a few of the artists that are not really moving but i'm moving them because i'm trying to prove myself i had a full of ambition you know and plus i was the type that would work no days off until a result was achieved, and i was booking these guys all over like
the usa and they've never been out of their own city and words started traveling back up to busy so one day he called one of my friends and my friend got him on the phone and busy said hey man i just dropped an album and i need someone to do this this, this, and this, are you the guy? Now, Sean, at the time I was not the guy, but because of my tenacity, I was the guy.
I was like yeah yeah i can do that yeah i'm the guy so he's like all right so i'ma send some instructions and you take care of it so he's not even this is the only time i talked to him on the phone in like a year a whole year goes by and it's only through email, i have to earn his phone number no that make that makes complete sense yeah i understand, earn your stripes or such you know yeah earn my stripes and a lot of people who come into to our organization nowadays
don't even understand that that you just can't talk to the boss you just can't jump in his inbox and think you can jump over me i'm not a i'm not a gatekeeper per se but like like i am the only way to get into this and if you don't come talk to me and get vetted in you're not getting because there's a there's an inner circle of trust i would assume right like Yeah, 13 years, man. And you can't breach that. You got to go through it. I understand. This is 13 years of busy talking to me.
We're not talking about the years before that when he didn't even know my name. But I'm saying, did he ever tell you stories from back in the day with Bone Thugs? He told you all those? Yeah, yeah, man. Oh, man. I bet. Stories that I cannot repeat that he's told me. All right. I'm no storyteller. I can't tell anyone else story unless they tell me to, but I could tell my story. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you could. Yeah. Just pick whatever story you want to tell.
That's what that's what this episode's about, man. Just you telling your story, you know. So, yeah, man, you got to put in the work to get there. And I put the work I put in the work to get here. But this is a whole year, just emails back and forth. And I was like, man, he was like he was steadily telling me in these emails to prove yourself, prove yourself. What are you going to do to help my career? What can you do to help my career? What is your plan? What is your goals for this organization?
You know, asking me real questions that a kid like me have never thought about. You know, no one has... Put me in those shoes to where I have the experience to answer those kind of questions. Russell Simmons, yeah, you know, mentorship, but it wasn't hands-on to where I'm learning, you know, from failures. And it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So prove yourself. And I say, well, man, what's something that you haven't did?
You know, scratching my head, he's like, I haven't been to the East Coast in 10 years. I said, okay. The first show I booked for Busy was on the East Coast in Delaware. Where yeah he was like how did you do that i was like what do you mean you're busy bone you can go anywhere i mean most people have heard of bone thugs in harmony and most people know busy bone what is it busy bone lazy bone crazy bone and flesh and bone and one more and.
What wishbone wishbone okay okay i can just edit that one in there i'm kidding i'm kidding.
I'm joking i'm joking shout out to whisper you're good you're good man um no but busy bone was the youngest right they're all he was he was uh he was the he was the youngest of the group and after, getting this show booked we've did something some other stuff some incredible stuff he came to mississippi my hometown and me and my brother ben we drove him well we drove to a city to meet him And then we drove him to Alabama.
So we got a chance to really get up close and personal with him, share our stories and hear his stories. Man, that's probably one of the fondest memory I've had of Busy Bone is just riding in my, it was my brother's car, I think. Yeah, my brother. We took my brother's car, driving with Busy Bone to Alabama from Mississippi overnight. Wow. This is 24 hours too. I bet you guys just hours of entertainment, you know? Yeah, man. Yeah, man. This is 24 hours, no sleep.
And then we drop them off at the airport. And then we have to go home because we have to go to work in the morning. I'm a store manager and my brother's a store manager. Yeah. So it was like, yo, we have one hour to sleep. And so we're taking turns driving back to Mississippi. Fortunately, I couldn't maintain, man. Man, I fell asleep and my brother drove the whole way back, man, like pushing 110. We were there like 30 minutes, a three hour trip. We were there like.
I don't know how we did it, but he did it, man. Yeah. It's been for you. But yeah, man, that's my meeting Dizzy Bone story. Were you big into Bone Thugs-N-Harmony before you met Dizzy? Yeah, man. My cousins put me on to Bone Thugs-N-Harmony. I was strictly Christian music because I grew up in a Christian household. Secular music was banned. And if you brought any paraphernalia or any CDs, any posters, it was going to get confiscated and burned.
Paraphernalia. I haven't heard that word in a while. Yeah. Just dating myself. I know what you mean. I'm just giving you a hard time. But that's what happened on a lot of occasions, man. I had huge collections and my dad would find it. Like, I don't know what was going on, man. Maybe God was just leading him. Yo, Demetrius is listening to this music. You need to check it out. And he would find it every time.
I buried it i buried a backpack in the in the in the in the backyard and he found it i don't know how but anyway my cousins i go down to my cousin's house and i see this weird tape and it has like old english writing bone thugs and harvey he's like dude check this out this is the new thing yeah there's like east 1909 is where you find me slinging it yay yo daily Haley, it's the first hit of my wake up. And I was like, yo. Crossroads was my jam, too, man. They won a Grammy. It won a Grammy.
No joke. It did. And it beat Beatles' record. Yeah. And when it did, I tried with Akon. Akon, underrated, man. I'm listening to this music, and I was like, yo, this is very different from what I listen to. And I get engulfed in gangstasism right then and there.
You know i go from i go from like my shirt button all the way up to like wearing bandana, like i did a complete 360 and i was talking to my mother the other day i was like mom how was i growing up was i a little loose in the head and she's like no you're a good kid until like a certain point of time you know you kind of you know we're filling yourself guess this becoming of age and i was like i think that's the time when i discovered rap music, yeah i had i had a fate a rap i had
a rap phase so i wore the i'm not gonna say the type of shirts but you know i'm saying the undershirt the undershirt oh man did you wear the ones with the colors i know i wore i wore a black one or a white one had that i had i had the chain man i thought i was like they called me a shirt people called me words that i can't talk about on the podcast type of words like you know what i mean man because i was into that i was into that that lifestyle. I was wearing the chains.
I was like, you know, I was like a wannabe. I was a wannabe Eminem. I was a big Eminem guy. I was like, yeah, I was a big Eminem guy cleaning out my closet. I was also into T.I., Rubber Band Man. That's one of my favorite songs of all time, Rubber Band. It's so underrated. Wayne of course i mean who isn't wayne millie amelia millie i mean you know what i'm saying.
I'm a bit i know i already mentioned it but i'm one of the few people i feel like 50 cent has a range i feel like i'm in the high end like there's some people that call 50 the goat and then there's some people that know but then there's some people that like he's all right you know what i'm saying i feel like he's one of those that has a high variance him ti is another high high variance. You know what I mean by that, right? Some people think he's average.
Some people think he's like God's gift to the world. T.I.'s another one. I guess it depends on perspective. And when you were born and everything. Kendrick Lamar, that's another one. On the top spectrum, even from a lyrical standpoint, because I believe he can formulate a song that anyone could relate to and not be...
And I've heard his lyrical song from the early days power of a dollar 50 cent is the future guess who's back i used to listen to those tapes i'm telling you i study hip-hop but many men yeah many many many before that his just ability to to write records just for me and his variance of being like you said being able to just be fluid with the records he doesn't necessarily necessarily have to be a kendra lamar or lupe fasco i know you've had as quite the history with busy bone can you name one
like what's the biggest lesson that you've learned so far like whether it be in the music game or outside of work any lesson that you've learned from your partnership with him yeah really to just be mindful that when you are a part of something things are not always about you you know it's okay to be. In service for someone. It's okay to show love.
I know a lot of the hip hop music, rap music pushes the narrative of that, that you don't need anyone and that it's okay to be alone and it's okay to run by your lonesome and you can be independent and not need people. And I'm here to tell you that that is completely false. Anyone who is successful has never done this alone. long. And what I've learned in my time of busy is that togetherness and unity is really what matters and really what drives the force.
And to check your ego, keep it at home. I mean, like I said, the picture is so big, like how could you make it about yourself? There's so many moving parts to this. And what we're doing is so important because it's not only changing lives, but it's feeding families. We're trying to build generational inspirational wealth. We're trying to do things different from corporate America working, you know, the nine to five trade.
I've been in that my whole life. And I'm going to tell you, man, there's nobody who gets what they deserve. You know, we're supposed to work eight hours, but for somehow they get 10 or 11 or 12 out of it. Yeah, I'm preparing. You know, it's a part of your duty. And if you don't do it, that means you don't care. Or do you want this or they or Or they dangle the carrot of the bonus or the raise or, you know, I can be I can be a history buff.
So everyone knows about the pyramids back in the long time ago. You think those people weren't getting paid anything but food on their table and sometimes they weren't even getting that. So I try to think of the.
How far like how lucky we are to have techno i know i sound like the old man but it's true like these people on like tiktok all the time and shit now even me like it was funny so i'm a so before i'm a substitute teacher still and that's a bit that's a big thing yeah i'm like your typical white substitute teacher mid-30s white substitute teacher typical dude that that That was my first major in college. No, but. Being an elementary teacher.
Yeah. Oh, dude. So I took the middle school exam. I missed it by one question. Oh, man. I was, I got like, I needed a, studying to be a middle school English teacher. And I got a 193. I needed a 200. Bro, I was so heated. Oh, man. I bet.
I was so heated. I bet. But anyways, back to my pyramid. do you think those people you know how many people it takes to build a pyramid man we're talking about millions so i try to think of not that not just that example but you know i try to think of the people that that have a way there's always someone i know this is another cliche but it's true so there's always someone that has it worse than you you think you have it bad not saying you personally but i'm just saying
like as a general statement right right a person thinks they have it bad there's i guarantee there's someone that has it worse absolutely so i try to think uh think of that i got like ac right now i got a roof over over my head, i got a cat somewhere i don't know where she's at you know what do you like best about cats. I like the fact that they just can live on their own. I can let her just sit here as long as she has water and food. She grazes.
My vet got pissed off at me because I got her fat. My vet was like, dude, you got to stop letting her graze. I'm like, bro, I live alone in here. It's her house, not mine. I live in an apartment. It's her apartment, not mine. Yeah, man. I've been through the relationship grind, bro.
Yeah but speak speaking of speaking of relationships and friendships man i bet you've met so many cool people i bet you've had to meet some really cool people man yeah i just freaking busy bone i mean he's like he's like one of the legends yeah man can you name a can you name a famous person that you were like well i can't believe besides busy but obviously but can you met someone like through that connection that you're like well i can't believe i'm meeting them him right now not really man
not really yeah uh once i had that moment with busy that was it it was like okay i can get used to this now i was starstruck when i met him you know oh of course even even through email you know i was just asking all kind of fanboy questions and he was like look man chill you can learn all about me over time you know just chill chill out yeah man i'll tell you how crazy i'll tell you how crazy years later you know yeah yeah but over time i got privy to you,
you know, sit next to him and learn all the, all the things, all the secrets of the industry. Of course. Things like that. Yeah. But no, man, I can't, I can't say that I've met anyone that just completely like. Yeah. Yeah. Like, holy shit. Yeah. I respect that. I respect that. They're just people, man. They're just people with a lot of talent. Yeah. Who are some other influences like that you have? Like we talked briefly about some of the, you know, goats.
Who are some other artists that you have an eye on currently or, you know, otherwise currently. So yeah, like kind of artists currently. There's an artist by the name of Toby. Dude is dope. He's currently on tour. Now he's signed by RCA, RCA records. Of course. Yeah. This guy.
That's awesome. awesome he's blending like the most phenomenal music i've ever heard um he's from canada i guess all thing all good things come from canada hey canada hey shout out to drake you know of course of course yeah justin bieber yeah but there's more there's more uh and and hockey can't forget hockey hockey yeah i haven't had a chance to go to a hockey game but that's no but i'm saying That's huge in Canada, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Toby is an artist. Blessed is a good artist. He's from Australia. Bloodline Harmony, which are the kids and nephews of Busy Bone. Oh, I didn't. Yeah, man. I didn't know about that. Well, talk about them real quick. So there are five members. There's Busy Bone Jr., but his stage name is Little Busy. And there's another son of Busy named YBL Sinatra. There's a cousin named the Harmony God. His brother, I think he changed his name to Throw Bloodline.
And then they have another cousin, Goldie, and he's currently in jail. So lockdown love the Goldie. I think he'll be home in 2026. But yeah, man, they are destined to be the next Bone Thugs Army.
Army keeping the tradition and the legacy alive i like that let's uh let's transition to the podcast i know you and swift right don't you have a podcast yeah we have two podcasts three podcasts i have a solo podcast called vigilantes radio i've been operating that one for 10 years now then we have a group podcast called the pod squad hq and that's where a bunch of us podcasters jump jump on one podcast to get opinions. It's like The View without all the estrogen.
There are some women there on the show with us, but it's not all women. It's coming from different perspectives. Hey, the empathy is coming from everybody, not just... That's the beautiful thing about that show, the PodSquad HQ. It's every Thursday at 9 p.m. Central Time. Sorry for the shameless plug-in. Dude, I am so lucky to have you on the podcast today, man. I've been looking forward to this. I'm the lucky one, man. I've been looking
forward to this. I've been teasing it for a couple of weeks. I've been looking forward to doing this. And I'm a huge fan of your music and of course, Busy and Bone Thugs Harmony are like.
Goats and i was just like oh my god i get this i've talked to somebody that has a connection to busy so oh man the pledge is mine and the honor so yeah you do so you're into video games what kind of game what kind of games what kind of games because i see swift swift swift's posting some sort of like first first person you know videos and stuff yeah yeah Yeah, man. I mean, Swift plays the same game over and over. Apex Legends, man. He suck, man.
Like, all the games in the world, you choose to play Apex Legends. What's your game? Man, I play them all. Right now, I'm playing Far Cry 6. Okay. Yeah, I've been out of the game out with the Game Boy this, the Game Boy that.
I had i had the game boy i did i did get a game boy but i didn't get a console until like the nintendo 64 came out and i got the fire version that was my first console either even after the super nintendo was out after that's awesome nes was out atari sega i never had only kind of games i had like the tiger handheld games and and the game boy i didn't do it so talk Talk about how did you guys start this podcast? Whose idea was it? And what's it called?
It's called Vigilantes Radio. It's my original show. Yeah.
Oh, before I get into that, the consoles I own today, Game Boy, Game Boy Color, Sega, Sega Genesis, Dreamcast, N64, Nintendo, Super Nintendo, GameCube, N64, PlayStation 1, 2, 3, Xbox Original, Xbox 360. 360 xbox one what yeah and a retron 5 that's for all the years i've never had it just yeah you know what it's like the fourth time you've read my mind on a question i'm gonna ask you're good at this i can tell you've done a podcast or two yeah man so vigilantes radio i started
that show back in 2003 i was going through a divorce and just needed something to occupy my space because it was just me and the cat at that point thank god for my cat that you know she held it down for me just just you know just being there but i began this podcast like you know i can't talk to myself so i brought a friend on and we kind of didn't have chemistry so i was like scrap that and then busy was talking about doing a podcast really or doing a radio yeah starting in a
radio program that only played our music so that we could benefit from the royalties, you know, the royalties that pay from being paid. Right, own material. Yeah, I brokered a deal with Daily Radio at the time we got that station. And, yeah, man, I think I got a niche in radio. I used to write ad, you know, for when I was a manager at the store. And it just transitioned into, like, what if we could just do it all ourselves?
And so we got a bunch of musicians, and we were just talking and talking about their careers, different things. And it was a fun show, but people didn't take it as serious as I did. I showed up every time, but they wouldn't show up all the time.
Again man that's that grind bro that's what you actually that's the theme of this interview man is you got the i respect the hustle man yeah and i just didn't want to be on camera well i just didn't want to be on air by myself because we weren't tossing themselves but no i get that's why it's an interview show so i understand i understand so this one time we had a huge show like we promoted it and promoted it and at the time we were on blog talk radio and none of my co-hosts showed
up it was just me and because i had a crowd calling in i had to do the show and man i was nervous did they they forget they were just ghosted you or man i don't know what happened we don't gotta you don't gotta yeah i didn't ask any questions but it hurt me so bad man that i was like i can't ever depend on a cast again you know i can't let them depict how a show is going to flow ever again and and out of that vigilantes radio was born right and i
began to brainstorm like okay i don't want to talk to myself i want to talk to somebody how can i make this work oh i just talked to other people who want to talk so an interview show was born and as it was growing man i switched from blog talk to spreaker and then i got a little side deal from from iHeartRadio before they bought Spreaker. Wow. And I was able to do partnerships with PR companies, and they were supplying the guests. Was it you that initiated the contact with iHeartRadio?
No, because different things happened before that. So, yeah. With podcasting, there's a cost. I mean, yeah. I pay a decent amount. I use Podbean. I pay, well, I don't pay that much. I pay a hundred something for this membership. But yeah. That's a lot for a membership when it comes to podcasting, even in my opinion. But when you put all the things, all the tools that you need together to run a successful show, it adds up.
No, I'm saying a hundred a year, not a hundred. You thought I meant a hundred a month. Oh, a hundred a year. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, I ain't paying a hundred a month. I had to verify. This guy's paying a hundred a month. No, it's a hundred a year, 180 a year, I think. Yeah. So now I pay like over a hundred a month for all the tools to run my episodes. But like for three years, it was just pain, pain, pain. You know, I'm losing money.
Like, why am I doing this? This hobby doesn't feel good anymore. I'm losing money. you know i love to talk but my bank account is not agreeing you don't love it you don't love it you don't love it that much when you start seeing red yeah yeah it's like yo something has to give so i had this think tank it was like i gotta come up with a way to make money.
And at the time my band i was in a band called no longer the hero and we were oh we could have talked about i didn't know that uh it's something i don't talk about a lot oh oh okay okay yeah yeah Yeah, there's a time for that. We can move on. That's fine. There's so many chapters to this story, man. It's like my life was like an action movie, you know, explosions, rescuing damsels. So like James Bond, your life's like James Bond.
Yeah, yeah, man. Another goat. James Bond's one of my favorites. Another goat. But anyways, yeah, continue this. This is interesting. Yeah, even how I became Houdini is interesting. But so where was i we're talking about the iheart radio deal yeah yeah so different things happen like i said and i began to just think about well no no i'm the hero we dropped a project and we began to pay for promotion marketing and and a part of that was doing interviews so this guy Jair from Canada, again.
Hey, Canada, hey. He interviewed us in his magazine, Sleeping Bag Studio. I still remember that. And I was like, man, this is so cool how he's an independent journalist and providing a platform for us. And I was like, what if I did this, but audio? Yeah. You know, he's on Fiverr charging us five bucks. Fiverr. Man, you're bringing up classic names. Yeah. And I was like, what if I do the same, but audio? And I did that. Started putting my podcast on Fiverr, $5 interviews, 30 minutes.
No, at that time I was doing an hour. So it was like, wow, I could speak for an hour. Yeah. And I'll play your music. So, you know, there's no sales coming in because I'm a new seller, but this one PR company, Shout out to Melissa from City Bird PR. Shout out to Melissa from the Sensibly Cynical Podcast. Yeah. Whoever you are, whoever you are. She gave the kid a chance. Yeah. With no experience. Booked the act on my show. That's a lot of testicular fortitude.
Yeah. And I was just doing extensive research, just Googling and just writing questions.
I wrote like 50 questions. so the interview was like hour 30 minutes too long but anyway this kid is eating it up you know he's a rapper and he's just eating it up he's like oh man he's treating me like i'm a superstar, and he said that he's like dude you're acting like i'm the goat i was like oh no i just appreciate what you're doing he's like yeah man i appreciate you for saying that and then i was like yo what if i what if that's a part of the service
you know it don't matter what level they are find Find something to appreciate out of their art because they're giving it their all. They're putting their life on the line. And that became a part of my model. You know, treat people like they're a celebrity, even though they're not. Find something good about what they're doing and exploit that. Talk about that. And Melissa was eating it up, too. She was sending me artists back to back.
From hip hop, it went to blues, from blues, country, country, rock, rock to classical. Of cool and then a a sex worker from fiverr was on there like would you interview me i work in the sex industry i said you know what come on who am i to judge you yeah man she had the most incredible story and her story blew up my show because i took a chance on her not judging her and you know she paid five dollars for an interview and numbers begin to pour in because of her and then this this rapper,
big rapper out of Australia, he saw it. He's like, yo, can you interview me? Shout out to the Aussies out there. Yeah, man. And that episode was like 21.8 thousand listeners. What? Big show. And I'm like, what? Bro, I haven't even had that much in my, I'm just kidding. That was one episode. And I was like, the price is going up. And the price did go up, but it was still on Fiverr and I'm still on Fiverr today. Still making money on Fiverr. What's your, what's your account? Houdini Black.
Okay. You can find me right there. You can book me for a voiceover. I'm a voiceover actor. You can book me for interview, review, anything, anything dealing with media. You can book me there on Fiverr or my website. So it became a business, man. Interviewing people. And I didn't go to school for journalism. Journalism, starting out, like my speech was, I mean, it's not the greatest now because I'm from Mississippi and I have a slight impediment, a lisp, if you will.
So I pronounce words a little different sometimes. Oh man, everyone's got something. You're good. Yeah. So no journalism, anything like that. It's just jumping in, starting doing something and figuring it out along the way. Today man i have over 115 000 monthly listeners and and it's it's not something that i could have ever done by myself of course glory to god because i'm a shy person i'm reserved in real life um.
I don't talk a lot this is probably the most you'll ever get out of me you know i what i am doing right now is i am subscribing so i appreciate that yeah i left you a review on spotify too man oh man on your your best of 2023 episodes i really enjoyed that yeah man i have i have an eclectic is it vigilantes radio live yes sir all right subscribed i use cast box so if you have a random download from cast box that's what i use i love so underrated like
we're i've been talk about underrated things a lot cast box i'll say it on i'll say it on record right now right now cast box is the most underrated podcatcher in the world yes would you agree i mean there's other ones speaker is probably up there too well with i heart radio and stuff i heard radio i'm anchored on speaker i have to say well i don't want to say i have to say but they've been They've been very good to me. So yes, it's Spreaker.
I get add dots from Spreaker. So they've been very good to me. So you get paid to say it was Spreaker. But no. I know how it is. I know how the bread's buttered. Yeah. Houdini. I know. I know how it is, man. You got to you got to cater to the audience. I understand, bro. I've had so many different people on some rain. Like you can you know, I've had I've had a couple of models on. Yeah. You know, I had I had a I had a stripper on back in the day.
Oh, wow. You know, so when you start talking about the sex, she's actually fighting. She's actually a lawyer going to fight for the sex workers. Shout out to Christy Monroe. Wow. Wow. Shout out to Chrissy Monroe. So she's actually going to be lawyer to the stand up for the because she's firsthand experienced the exploitation and the I assume trafficking. Not saying her, but not saying she's been trafficked, but she's experienced. She's probably experienced.
I don't speak for her, but you know what I mean? The whole she knows the whole deal there. That's what I mean. And when you make it out of a situation and you're able to better yourself, education, whether it's business or money, and you go back to help your people where you came from, I think that's what it's all about. Yeah, like she's to the point where she changed her popular account to this account. I think it's Switch Cares. So anyone can follow her. She's got an incredible story.
That was my first big interview, like downloads wise. and i also interviewed i also interviewed someone from survivor back in the day the tv i own a reality tv show survivor yeah and then actually i interviewed a couple people from survivor and then i and they branched on to music because i got i got with these agencies that's how you probably seen me interview some other musicians it's because they get with i have a you know
there's no finance there's no financial exchange it's i get an episode they get pr for for their client. You probably know how we're dead horse, dead, dead horse. Let me tell you though, Sean, Sean, that, that was cool for a time for me, but as much research I was doing the graphics, then the post-production and then marketing and promoting the episode, I figured like, man, you know, I need to see some type of compensation for all this time.
I'm helping you push your message and, and PR's company besides Melissa. My podcast is small though. It didn't matter. My podcast was small, but the time. I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. And I had to break that down for this agency one time. You only live once. That's it. That's what I told them, man. And then it's over. They thought because they were a big agency that it would be a privilege for me to interview their artists for free.
And I was like, no, look, I'm putting energy, time and effort. Maybe I need to have your backbone. Maybe I need to do that. Do it, man. Are you telling me right now that I should email Dead Horse Branding and be like, hey, pay me for these interviews? Pay me or. I'm kidding. No, it's just pay me or. I know. There are companies who will pay because let me let me tell you, man, they're making all of this money from the artists. I know because I was an artist paying these companies to push me.
So you're making you're making all this money. You can't share.
I'm doing all this work and you can't share we don't need to be partners that's the wrong kind of partnership for me and it's only benefiting you and the artist it's like well you're getting, the art yeah that's what I'm saying you're getting it's not doing me any do it's not doing me any favors because the artist isn't pushing it now that's now that's that I've had that happen a few times that are most most of my artists have the people that
I've had on the podcast most of them half yeah but i'll have a few that that don't so i i get it and you know you're giving me you're giving me incentive and drive to do so you back me i'll be like i'll be like hey i'll have i'll have whodunit black and busy bone on my side you know yeah yeah i could get busy on your show too man oh i'll put it this way for that i would pay for that i would pay for that the answer is always know Sean if you don't ask.
And the shot is always going to be missed if you don't take it. What's the worst that can happen? The partnership end? Man, there's a thousand PR companies. There's so many artists, actors, directors, pharmaceuticals, tech geniuses, CEOs, millionaires who want to talk. And there is websites like I'm on another site, some podcast site where these people can book them, book their sales on your show, pay you a fee. Yeah, there's a pod corn, too. You've heard of pod corn?
Nope. Nope. So pod, so pod corn, P-O-D-C-O-R-N is basically you, you, you're looking for advertisement space. So you'll pay so you'll prove that you have downloads and and products will products will post themselves to get on a on a podcast ads will be like a pre-roll ad and it'll be random it'll be random independent contractors will be on there sometimes podcasts will be podcasts will be on there and you can get like a pre-roll ad or some of them some of them even have guests.
So basically they they start an account and they're looking for podcasts to be on to have their ad on so there are people paying to get on podcast yeah there is and that's one of the websites you should and popcorn's another good one try that that one's good my basic interview costs 25 bucks for 15 minutes i feel i feel really honored by this i know i've said this multiple times but this has been this has been awesome and i'm gonna promote the hell out of this interview i like we've
already have like we already have yeah and i just hit 4 000 followers on instagram which is a lot for me i've obviously you're only gonna go up right so obviously it's a lot but you can go down man if you say the wrong things i mean i listened to listen to an episode you did about how sensitive america is and i think this is like on your old account wow you went way way back. Did I have the co-host with me, Frank?
You did this one solo, but it was like a 15-minute rant about how people are sensitive nowadays.
Do you remember the title wow you oh sean's dramatic rant or something yeah yeah yeah yeah oh dude you went way back wow that was like 2018 yeah yeah yeah it was it was a while back wow when it's true though right it's true podcast cover was red red yeah oh my god dude sure yeah you did your research wow i'm impressed yeah that was i that was facts right as a kid say that was facts man i don't know what america is becoming like it's like our flag should be
white you know so we can't offend anyone yeah i mean it's the craziest thing i think i think this is a good place to put advertisements houdini black where can people find you on social media man man everything at houdini black and 3d that's x facebook youtube no youtube is demetrius reynolds instagram pod squad everywhere that's p-o-d-z-q-u-a-d vigilantes radio everywhere and if you want to find me on xbox and get your butt kicked
in denny vision you can find me there any game send an invite bring it on are you a twitch person am i am i am i know people i heard people i hear people can spend like.
Countless hours on that app yeah i mean i think like they'll be have like 150 followers there like i remember like one of the classes i subbed for like it was before the christmas break like like they were on twitch like in the middle of class like i did yeah they had their phone and like i told him to all put their phones away and they were just like he he was playing some sort of game on there and i'm like i'm there for i'm there for like 50 minutes like it's not like the was it the old
saying like the juice isn't worth the squeeze like it wasn't like it wasn't worth it wasn't worth fighting it was he like screaming no no he had like he had a mobile he had a mobile council in his backpack or something you know like a backbone you seen those.
Bone it makes sense with busy bone we are all full circle full circle full circle, houdini black pleasure was mine man this is awesome man the pleasure was mine and it was a blessing to be on your podcast man i really appreciate and i was like i'd like to extend an offer for you to come on my show both podcasts pod squad on thursday nights and episode of Vigilante's radio so we can dive into your life. Are you being serious? Yeah, yeah. Do I got to pay or something? No, man. I give. I give.
You're going to get me emotional, man. I need the... There's something in the air, man. It's like dust. It's like dust particles. I don't know what's going on, man. I live in the country. Man. It's the dust of the fan. The dust of the fan. I have one of these 70s style... You know what I mean? The one with the blades? Yeah, man. I have those. It's some of the dust. Oh, dude. I'm in, man. I'm in. Cool. It'd be awesome. I'm your typical white dude that likes rap music and rock music.
There's nothing really special to me. I'm pretty humble. I like rock, too, man. Son of a nurse. And my dad worked for NASA. So I can talk about the space. I can talk about the space program, if that doesn't bore you. Man, I don't know, man. That may be a debate because I lived I lived 30 minutes from a space center. So I would hear. Yeah. So I would hear it would make I'll be I thought it was cool for a little bit. And then, like, it bothered me every Saturday morning.
It got it got tiring real quick. Yeah. Yeah. I used to go to the Stennis Space Center a lot. We have one here. I think it's here or is in Florida. But we do have one here on the coast of Mississippi that I used to go to a lot and grade school.
Cool but right now i kind of think the world is flat you know with it with the dome over it you with that one who's the athlete kairi irving or who who was it that said it's flat yeah people were joking with people were like what's this guy on like b.o.b maybe maybe he's right maybe he's right i mean i'm not i'm not gonna go houdini i'm not gonna go that far i'm not gonna go that far bro i think i would say sean is that you know how i told you about
the masons and how they they They basically kidnapped us. So my life has been tied in masonry for a long time. My great grandfather, no, my grandfather was a worshipful master. That's like the head in a temple, a Masonic temple. He was the top dude. So he knew some stuff. His funeral was weird, man. It had like all kinds of symbolism. But anyway, the dude that signed us, my first record deal, he was amazing. I don't want to cut you off, but we're like real low on time.
I'll make this real quick. Okay. Okay. So I still want to cut you off. I've seen this thing and I don't want to get too deep because I'm not a Mason. I shouldn't be telling their secret, but I've seen this thing and it's, and it has the world looking flat. The, the UN use their symbol symbol is a flat world too. And in the Bible, it says that there's a dome over the earth and that the earth is the only planet in the universe.
I think that's, I think that's how we should end. That's where I'm at thinking, man. And, I don't know. One love, man. One love. Adios. Thank you so much. Sure.