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The team at Froggy Bottom Outdoors is excited to get to know you and will be glad to answer any questions you may have. We're back live. All right, I'm good. I was going to say you got something playing in the back. Well, you know, I got to always have my computer going here so that I can see the comments because for some whatever reason, the comments don't show up on my phone. So in order to see comments, I got to have an extra screen ready to go.
What's kind of like what you said, this Facebook Live really isn't conducive. No, it's not conducive at all. Yeah. That's like, you know, I think we proved the good Wi-Fi goes a long ways. It does. You know what else goes a long ways? What's that? Oh, oh, brisky. Oh, my goodness. Who? Where? Where else can you do? I mean, I mean nowhere. Like this is the only place you can be so comfortable and just hang out with people of your own. A good ol brisky. Me. I don't. I don't.
I don't drink those nasty brisky. Oh, God, I love them. But you know, like you have a long, long day after. Oh, I know you're talking crap. I know. I saw you at the bachelor party. You know, a long day after work, you come home, you take care of goats, you take care of chickens, you take care of the dogs, you we'd eat all around the house, take a shower and then it's like, oh, time for Dog and Tuesday. Here we go. I got Colt walking in here shaking his head at me.
I don't know why he's shaking his head. You just never know. I was actually on the shitter and looked at my notifications and I was like, oh, oh, shit, we got Dog and Tuesday. I know we did. What up Shaddy? Oh, Jeremy Shaddy hopping on. It might be a light. It might be a light night tonight for viewers. I'm not sure. It might be because we haven't we haven't done a dog and Tuesday in a few weeks. We've had that we've had to miss for a few personal obligations and stuff going on.
But hey, Hannah Fallon hopped on. What up, girl? Oh, Hannah. She was on the podcast. If you guys haven't gone back and listen to that one, go check that out. She her podcast is actually kind of at the top of the ranks as far as podcast numbers go. Yeah, people liked it. They liked it a lot. I jumped up there real quick. I didn't you cut out there. Do what I said? I'm sure today that the last one will jump up there really quick. Yeah. So let's let's dive into that for a little bit.
I mean, there's a this is just kind of being off the cuff deal. I don't we haven't planned nothing out here. But you know, yes, Hannah, really, I'm serious. You know, that has been a very, very well received podcast. People loved it. The knowledge knowledge on that podcast. Yeah, it wasn't just three people BS and you know, I mean, Hannah comes she brings to the table a lot of energy, a lot of knowledge, a lot, a lot of dogmanship, if that's a word, if you will.
And now I got old country boy up here. You got country boy? Yeah, man. Son, that's the blue dog I've been hunting. Well, I mean, he's not quite 100% blue dog. No, he's blue walker. I mean, you told me we were talking about that the other day. You said you had a blue dog up there and I never put two and two together. That's who it was. See, guys, this is how unscripted this is, is Basham and I we don't we talk some but not all the time and I don't even pick up what he's putting down.
Yeah, they sent him up here a little well fed. Well fed. A little well fed. Yeah. Hey, let's dive into that podcast. We just released last Friday. Let's talk about that because that podcast sparked a little controversy and we're just going to go ahead and lay things out here and talk about it because this is Dog on Tuesday and this is where we get to do whatever we want to do.
Yeah, it's it just brought up a big controversy between a few people and we'll let it kind of stay because I'm not I'm not trying to jump in the soap opera world. There's just a lot of controversy in the in and what people perceive and what one person's doing and hey, that's that's not for me to judge or decide. No, no, I hear you. But we can we can get into a little deeper nat with that stepping on toes.
OK. And the reason I say that is because another podcaster recently released a podcast, which I have not had the opportunity to listen to yet. I need to do that. But I do know what it's all about. And it was Steve Fielder over there on the Gone to the Dogs podcast released a podcast. I believe it was about a week ago and I believe it was titled The Elephant in the Room. And by reading his description of it, it was talking all about some of the things that happen in these competition coon hunts.
They kind of get swept under the rug, kind of go unnoticed, kind of like this instance sparks some controversy. And some people get away with it. Is it ethical? Is it not ethical? Like I said, I haven't listened to the podcast yet, so I can't talk on 100 percent.
But I feel like the podcast that we released this weekend kind of sparked some of that stuff where there is some stuff being thrown around where people were, you know, maybe questioning some of the ethics that's happening in a couple of these state races. Maybe they were questioning how some of these dogs are winning so much money. And if one person is questioning it, I'm sure there's a bunch of people questioning it. You know what I mean? No, I agree.
And like I said, I'm not going to throw shade. I'm not going to point names. I'm not going to step on any toes. But it does raise red flags. It does bring up questions. It does make you wonder, should there be a system in which these kennel clubs can hold people accountable and go back and I wouldn't say you can take away any money, but they need there needs to be some investigation to keep things in check. How would you perceive that happen?
Because I'm because I tell you what, I'll throw a scenario at you and you tell me how you would investigate. Okay, don't let me. Okay. Bryce Matthews has a professional kennel club in Peru, Indiana, and he hosted on Tuesday today. Nobody shows up. So Nikki Colton and Owen and Bryce have four dogs that they enter in this said hunt. Everybody has a PKC number and every dog's got a PKC number and Bryce and wheels wins that hunt. What type of investigation are you running on that?
You know, it's hard to say. And I chuckle at your scenario that you throw out because it's it's realistic is for you for you. It is is you know, we would all have numbers. We would all have dogs that we could enter and take a picture with. I don't know the answer to that question and that's being very honest. I don't know the right way. It would take some brainstorming. It would take more than off the cuff, you know, try to answer that.
But there are scenarios that are going on like that, you know, and I think common sense goes a long freaking way with how this works. Like I said, I'm not throwing because I don't know. I'm not in Kentucky and I'll just throw the name because I mean everybody that everybody knows Josh, you know, Josh Craig's got 7001 in PKC and I'm not sitting here saying he did win it rightfully. There's a lot of people saying he did, but all I'm saying is is I mean seven thousand in a state race.
I mean, but with that said, there are $105 hunt Friday and Saturday night at 220 every time you win. But that's a lot of cash. Yeah, it is. So take 220. You know, take 220 divided or 7000 divided by 220. You know, there's a ton. Let's see here. Take a page out of our Starlin's book. All right, let me read it out loud. So Jeremy Sherry commented, he said, take a page out of Norm Starlin's book.
If there is only one cast at the hunt, go Facebook live so that there is at least proof that they hunted in the right dog one. So that works in some places and some places it don't, because I think if anything, pro sport has showed us, especially with like cane media and them trying to do everything live. How many times has their lives not been lives because there's no and then you're requiring people to have a Facebook page. Yeah, I get it. So hey, hey, these clubs that wouldn't work.
I'm going to jump in real quick and we're going to go down a quick rabbit hole. Then I'm going to dig myself back out and get back on topic. But Travis Craney just hopped on here. He's watching and I know you don't know that name, but Travis Craney. I went to college with him. He great dude. One of my best buds in college and a quick funny coon story coon hunting story. Me him and Colton Britton were out hunting one night. We're hunting Ruger and Hank and Travis gets on the phone.
He gets a phone call from a significant other who was not so happy that he was out coon hunting late at night. And the two dogs, they treat this coon right now. Travis, he's a big man. He's a hefty fella. He's got a mountain beard going on and he whips out this six shooter off the side of his belt and without missing a beat on the phone, he whips those old iron sights up in the tree.
And that six shooter knocks that coon out, the dogs get on the coon and he just went right back on to his conversation. Never missed a beat. I will never forget it. It was hilarious. I was one of my favorite members. So just seeing his name pop up there. I haven't talked to Travis in probably six months. So buddy, I'm glad to see you on here. I hope you're doing well, but all right. I'm digging out of that rabbit hole that cracked me up.
So you know, Hannah just said no service in a lot of places and I agree there's not service in a lot of places. That is a legitimate thing. Hey guys, guys, it's on here listening. Hey, comment. You know, as you can see, we're going to read the comments. We're going to hop right into this. And for those that watch this afterwards, hey, by no means is this any shade whatsoever. I'm not jumping on the wagon of anybody.
I mean, it is what it is at this point in time and all honesty, if PKC don't care, who does it really matter? You know what I mean? But it is what it is. The only thing that I could say that the only way PKC could even try to regulate any of it is what Tom Wilson is doing in North Carolina. And that's anything less than 16 dogs has to have a pitcher. But I mean, even then, it's like the scenario I gave you. But you get a picture of four dogs. So why does 16 matter? But no, true.
But there are clubs out there that will make make up to cast so they don't have to send in a pitcher. You know what I mean? All I'm saying is, is I feel I feel, I'll be honest, I'm split. I'm split. And here's why I'm split on that. If Bryce Matthews goes to the club, right? Yep. And nobody shows up to hunt that hunt. Why is it Bryce Matthews fault that nobody showed up? Why can't he? You've got three other people in your family that would hunt or two other Nikki and Colton right?
Go out for pleasure hunting whoever wins gets it. I mean, why as long as you do hunt? Yeah, I get it. But okay, so here's I'm gonna play devil's ad to get on that one. So at that point, you are I got two scenarios here. At that point, number one, you're losing money. Like you are paying. Oh, I p case you're paying a kennel club to just just to put a few dollars on the dollar. Yeah, just to put a few dollars on that dog's lifetime earnings, which did he really win? No. Okay, I get it.
The problem with that is that I just had a thought. That's scary. That's scary. Good one. You better knock the car. You better dust the cobwebs off that brain. It doesn't think much. You ready? And this this this one isn't going to be a popular opinion. Oh, boy. This is not gonna be a popular opinion. So you're from this area, right? Just in this area, we have Princeton. We have legality. We have grand view. Washington. We have Washington. We have Elnora Henderson.
We have El City. We have Henderson. We have Hartford. We have Madisonville. We have junction. We have Claremont. We have Shelburne. What if you pick the club with the most entries and not another club within 60 miles can be formed? That's already a thing. No, it's not. Yeah, it is. You know, when you go to form a club, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't form a club within so many miles of another club. No, no. When did it change? Tell City, Grandview and Tennyson are within 20 minutes of each other.
They're supposed to be with they're supposed to be 30 30 miles in between them. I'm 90 percent positive. If you go in the rule book and read it on how to form a club, hey, that might be what the rule book says. That's not what happens. Yeah, I mean, I get it. But I don't know. I don't know how to fight it. But it did spark some controversy like and it makes you wonder. OK, now I'm also going to play another role. Hannah says it's supposed to be, but they don't follow it.
Yeah, it's supposed to be, but they don't follow it. And they don't follow it. I mean, Henderson and Henderson and Madisonville are 30 minutes from 25 minutes from each other. So here's here's one thing. So I'm torn on my kennel clubs on which ones that I if somebody asked me which which kennel club do you prefer? I don't know how to answer that, which one I prefer, because I like things about all of them.
Right. So I love I love PKC because I like to take home a little bit of the chance to take home a little bit of money at the end of the night. OK, I like that. I like seeing that dollar sign on the papers rather than just a title. I like that in UKC, though, what I really do like is the structure that comes with it and the prestige that comes with it. So you go to a UKC hunt and that son of a gun is structured. There are deadlines. There are rules.
There are there are things in place that are followed to a T. I like that. And I think that if PKC could bring some of that same structure, it would help out a lot because sometimes things seem to run amok over there. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't know. I mean, so I feel divided. Jason Smith says they're not supposed to host a hunt on the same night close to each other. Well, that goes right back into another deal of there's too many hunts. There's hunts every night.
You know, that's I'll give you a quick example. And Zach Vaught even brought it up. There was a hundred and five dollar hunt. Or I think it was. I don't know the exact amount, but there was there was a hunt in Lebanon and then the pro classic or something in this very same night. They had an open event like 20 minutes away. So I mean, it's just it.
And then with UKC on top of it, how many times, especially down here, how many times has Madison ville had a PKC hunt and Hartford's got a UKC hunt the same night? It happens all. There's just too many hunts. But that's what I was getting at with. I think the numbers for all the hunts would come up if they went back to you got to have so many miles between each club. And the way to do away with those clubs is strictly say, hey, whichever clubs, you know, get the most entries.
Hey, those are the ones that we're going to a lot charter. And the more like the problem is, is you know what we're sitting here talking about our hunch where nobody shows up right and why nobody's showing up, nobody's showing up because there's too many hunts. Right. OK, I got a question here. Wesley Woodward just joined us. Wes, I'm going to ask for your opinion on this, so please comment. And this is halfway facetious. I think I know the answer, but I'm going to ask it anyways.
You are not a coon hunter. Wes Woodyard is a bear hunter down in Virginia. Wes runs with Heath Hyatt, Forest, all those guys that bash when I went hunting with Wes. I know you're a little late to the game here. So just a quick recap, we're talking about hunts where maybe people don't show up and some guys are forming a cast, taking a picture and putting money on their dog's lifetime earnings for the state race.
If you as a bear hunter, you guys don't keep track of money, one, you don't keep track of titles, you don't keep track of any of that. If you're a bear hunter in the mountains of West Virginia, or in the mountains of Virginia, how many times do you think that people, you know, maybe go out hunting by themselves like, oh yeah, you know, we struck and we struck and treat two bears today.
Like do you think that that's as big of a thing in the people who are not competing with with earnings and titles and money? Is that is that a big thing down where you guys are at? I'm just curious because it seems to be a growing thing in the competition side of things. I want a non hunter or a non competition hunters opinion on that one. And just kind of circling back while he's while he's typing up his answer. I don't think I mean, I don't think PKC is doing a bad job.
Like, I mean, they've put a lot of structure in all of this. I think it's it's not up to PKC to regulate the rules and regulations that happens at every single one of these clubs. It's up to each and every one of the individual clubs. So I don't I don't feel that because I mean, if you really want to be honest, I mean, how many people are we talking about? You know, for like 10 people, you know, you've got your your state presidents, your national directors, you've got Shane and Roger Dale.
I mean, I mean, how can 12 people regulate everybody in that state? You know, how can one person from Kentucky regulate? You can't. So it's up to each individual club to make sure that it's being held to a certain point to a certain standard. Yeah, I mean, I agree. And maybe maybe the way that I worded that wasn't correct. But I just do really like how, you know, OK, like, I guess what I was getting at is like PKC, they have a deadline of nine o'clock. Right.
If you call at 850 and say, hey, I'm going to be 30 minutes late, they have to hold the hunt. Everybody has to put their life on hold for you running late. And that drives me nuts. That's the Bobby Burton effect that drives me nuts. A deadline is a deadline. Like let's have some structure here. Eight o'clock means eight o'clock. It doesn't mean eight thirty. I love Bobby, but everybody knows it's true. Bobby Bobby's notorious for rolling in 30 minutes an hour late. Yeah. All right.
So Wes says he says we could care less, catch game and have fun. To me, the competition side of it all takes the fun away. I came I came in late and was caught off guard here. But maybe this is what you're looking for. Yeah, Wes, it is. And I was wondering, you know, if you know, we do this for the fun of it. Yes, but we also like to have those titles and we like to have that money won here. And I don't mean to pitch on the spot, but I didn't mean to do that.
But but I did want a non-competition hunters perspective on that, because, you know, if I think there's a lot of the Coon Hunters, if you took the competition side away from it, buddy, I think they quit. I'm dead serious about that. I think a lot of them would. What do you think, Basham? Yeah. I don't think that I would hunt near as much if it wasn't competition. You know, I'm a competitive I'm a competitive person. I tell people this all the time. Mark Atkins hears this all the time.
And that is pleasure hunting is not fun to me. It's not fun. It's work. I'm out there training, training, training, training, training, training, training. When I go to a competition, that's fun for me because what can you do in a competition? Nothing. That is pleasurable because then it's just turn your dog loose and call it for what it does.
Whereas when I'm out there pleasure hunting, my person, I can't I can't do it because the minute my dog does something dumb, I'm not the type of person I can't just let it happen like now I've got to fix it. Now I've got to work on this. Now I've got to work on that. So for me, pleasure hunting, you've seen that you've pleasure hunted with me and you're like, this ain't fun. Right. Now, the other side of that, that I find interesting, I got to stand up here. Sorry.
The other side of that that I that I find interesting is that, you know, so Wes and them and a lot of these big game hunters, not just in Virginia, but in a lot of other states, they do not get the opportunity to hunt year round. You know, they are hunting like right now their season, their training season just came in. They've got August and September for training. And then they've got December kill season. That's it.
Those guys are taking care of, you know, packs of dogs, whether that range from three to 12. And they're taking care of them for nine months out of the year that they don't even get to train. So they, you know, they get a nice break there. And Wes says everyone here is competing against the time to make their dogs, their dogs, not other folks. And I agree with that. So and Jason Smith says pleasure hunting a competition dog is not fun. Lol. But a meat dog is a blast.
And I'll agree with that, Jason. I'll agree with that. But I also think that hold on, I'm not done yet. Don't you interrupt me, son of a gun. I do think that, you know, you know, I've been doing this for, for 10 years now and the longest stint that I've ever taken off, I took a three month stand and that was whenever I had a early twenties crisis that you helped me through. Thank goodness. But you know, other than that, you are, you are hunting year round. There is no break.
There is always the next hunt, the next weekend, the next month, there's a big hunt. There is always something to get ready for and at some point it just wears on you, you know, it does. I'll be honest. I was telling somebody who was I telling Doug, Doug Schultz. I was talking to Doug Schultz and Kevin Scott from Tennyson. The other day I went to Tennyson club and went to a hunt. I was talking to them. I told them, you know what? I would love to find.
I would love to find about 15, 16 year old boy that was just around my house. That was just ate up with it. I'd probably quit competition and just run him up and down the road. Just be the truck man. Like you're going to be at automobiles. Just be truck man. Just because I agree with you. Like I've been doing this since I was eight, nine years old. Right. I've been pushing this hard since I was about 15, 16 years old. So I mean, it's just on to the next, on to the next, on to the next.
Go, go, go, go, go. And to be honest with you, you know, like I said, me and Mark talked about this before. There's a difference. Even Brian said it. There's a difference between pleasure hunting and competition hunting. Back when I was a kid, I believe I enjoyed it more when I was a kid. Whereas now I'm just addicted to it. I mean, it's like, I'll be laying here saying, I'm not going hunting. I'm not going hunting. As soon as the sun goes down, guess what I'm doing? I'm going hunting.
Right. And it's, and I'll the whole way to the woods. I'm telling you, I don't want to go hunting, but I'm going hunting. But I believe I enjoyed it more, but the camaraderie was more. So I used to go with every dog with tree on the same tree together. You know, my dad, my uncle, and you know, a buddy would go and we'd have four people and we'd start a fire and cook hot dogs. Well, like it was, it was a camaraderie thing.
Whereas now Bryce and me, you and, uh, you know, Colton go hunting together most 99% of the time. What's going to happen? His dog is going to go this way. Your dog is going to go that way. My dog is going to go behind us and we're all going to split up and go to our dog street. So that's why nobody hunts together anymore because we're all in the competitive world. And so we want our dogs to be separated and in return we become separated and then there's no point in hunting together.
And then that's how, that's how all these clubs broke apart. I agree. So I'm going to come back to that after I read these comments here. Hannah Hannah falling says, I haven't calm hunted in years, but I enjoy the pleasure hunting more than the hunts. It's more so the enjoyment of hearing the dogs and getting to the tree and seeing a coon, just something that takes me back. Like people did this to survive. And then Mark Adkin says, he says, but it's in your blood. You just can't give it up.
And I agree with both of those. The thing, and I agree with a hundred percent with what you said. So that really hit me last winter. There was one night that me and there's a bunch of us out there. It was myself, dual Murphy, John shroud, uh, Johnny Watkins. And I think there was one other person. We all went hunting. There was five dogs. Okay. We turned loose in the same spot. We had everybody's dogs on our, uh, on our handhelds. They all went five different ways. Nobody treated together.
Nobody saw each other for an hour and a half. You're watching what everybody else is doing on your Garmin. We meet back at the truck. We drive to another spot. You do the same thing. And by the end, you know, you're 10, you're 20 minutes into it and you're sitting there listening to dogs treat, but you have nobody to talk to. You have nobody to just BS with and, and catch up with and that man, they ran a good track. There's, there is no camaraderie.
It's you meet the truck, you turn a dog loose, you get back to the truck and you're there. That's it. You know, there was five guys out there and we didn't hang out with each other. And I think that is why I so, so, so much enjoy every year going down to Virginia and bear hunting with those guys because the camaraderie is second to none.
You're chit chatting back and forth on the radio, you know, and some people don't like to hear a lot of chatter on the radio, but I do because it's just like, Hey, you know, there's people there. Like, like the camaraderie is felt. People are jabbing each other. They're giving each other crap. You're listening to good dog work. You're running around the roads. Same thing when I go down to Kentucky and go run them coyote dogs with Dalton Hillard and them.
I mean, it's, it's not, it's not a competition. The only thing you're competing against is the game out there in the woods in the field. So quick on that. The first time I went bear hunting with them, I felt like we were like an old warship battle game. Like, Hey, the enemy is going over the hill. Hey, cut them off at this road. And I mean, you've got like 10 guys on the radio and I mean, it's a team effort. Like you've got like 30 dogs and 10 guys and it's, it's a team effort.
So the camaraderie that is there, you know, you've got the story of, you know, uh, he's sliding this freaking truck sideways, you know, and there's a 40 foot drop off and you've got things to talk about. Because you know, everybody and their brother wants the next world champion and we're all trying to train our dogs to be that competition dog. And it's, it's just not the same. I'll tell you, to be honest with you, everybody knows that, you know, I've got buddy, I've got spot, I've got star.
I mean, all nice dogs, all nice dogs, but there's a dog that was sent for me to hunt and I'm working on about a month and a half of, of hunting her. And I've told many, I'd own this dog in a heartbeat. Her name's Jane. She won the night champion category. She's Shane Coons dog from Eastern Kentucky. And in that dog, I see the pleasure hunting style dog that I used to love. She'll go backpack another dog. And that's something that I've been trying to break. She's seven years old though.
I, but I've been trying to help him out to get her ready for autumn oaks and bust her ass for back and dogs. But she's just a straight up condo. When she looks up, she's typically, I think right now she's something like 50 for 58 and like six weeks of hunting. That's pretty good. I mean, I mean, she's, she's, she's a coon dog and she's pleasurable. You ain't got to put a leash on her. I can call her off. Like she is a dog.
When you go down there and stand in front of that kennel and you look down there, you're like, man, I want to take that dog. And she's just one of those dogs. She reminds you of what it is fun. And like I said, I think we all get so caught up in training dogs. I mean, hell, you remember the last time me and you went, you put, I think it was a lit, was it Lizzie? I think you threw Lizzie back into the box. He said, I'm done. I said, no, man, we can't go home on your life. I'm done.
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Hey, uh, your internet is getting a little slow. So I'm going to catch up on a couple of comments here and let, try and let your internet refresh here. Earl Hogwarts says, man, if this ain't the truth, I love, love, love the meat dogs. The competition is fun in small clubs because it feels like a brotherhood. That's a little better. He says it feels like a brotherhood, but the bigger competition hunts felt like it was such a big cutthroat situation.
Josh Davidson comment and said, jealousy has ruined a lot of people hunting together. Benji Kaufman, I used to go with six guys and a black and tan and I had a lot more fun than I do now. Kyle short, he says, taking a break isn't a bad thing. The way I look at it, when I start to not give it 100%, I lay them up a month and don't think about hunting. And when I get back at it, I'm good for 10 months. Some of the best competent competitors in all sports take months off. Just his opinion.
How I like that. That's a good way to think about it. Um, you know, let's see here. I lost it. Because Chad and I take turns turning dogs loose that a way we can, uh, stay together. Not a bad way to do things either. Mark Atkins, man, the comments keep rolling in and they're jumping around on me. I know this is a good one. I'm loving, I love this kind of interaction. I want every dog and Tuesday to be like this.
Mark Atkins, Mark Atkins says, unless you walk the same tree and walk your wife to death, you'll go well. Oh man, Wes, he just starts laughing. He knows what the kind of nonsense and buffoonery goes on down there. Earl Hoggard says, don't get me wrong. I have met some incredible people in the competition world. Steven needs to come to North Carolina. Garrett Stanley, nobody likes it, but one that covers and gets some of their own are the absolute hardest dogs to beat.
That is a true statement, Garrett. I mean, that is a true statement. You know, all of yours and some of his will get you there most times. And Wes says, I admire that you guys are dedicated enough to do it, but you said for us, it's about the friendships, all the kids together, all the guys that are just having a good time. Sure there's guys that have to stand out that have standout dogs, but here they're humble and let everyone join in. That is, that is another thing.
You know, with the bear hunting and the coyote hunting and stuff is that the kids can be involved a lot easier, or I should say easier, at a lot younger age than I think they can at the coon hunts because it's done during the day. You know, they're awake. Step number one, they're not tuckered out in the back seat.
Step number two, they can ride around and they can look at those drive tracks and they can see what's going on and they can, you know, they can be in their car seats and hang out the window, their heads out the window a little bit, you know, I love when Wes posts the snap chats, his son, his son, he got that little toy gun. He's, he's ready to go all the time in the truck, you know, the coon hunting.
Some of the kids are scared of the dark nine times out of 10, they're asleep by the time they get to the woods. There's usually just one dog rather than a bunch of dogs. You know, it, there's, I think it's easier for the bear hunting kids to get involved earlier. You know this with me, coon hunters live on those sleep. Yeah. I don't know how you do it. Coon hunters live on no sleep. If you're, if you're a true houseman and you run these dogs hard, you live on no sleep. It's true.
Especially if you're trying to make a living outside of Coon hunting. Now there's some guys, you know who I mean, that's their job, but you know, if you're trying to have the jobs during the day and then hunt at night and if you're strongly competitive and you're training dogs, you live on no sleep. Yep. That's true. That's very true. But man, I love where this has went, you know, this has been great. I really appreciate everybody for, for hanging out.
Like this is, this has been good conversation. So quick backstory, jumping back to what Mark said, Mark made a comment, unless you walk your wife and make her cry. So we went up to Angie. This was two winters ago. We went up to Angie cables hunt up at her club and we went pleasure hunting down at six mile and star. We turned loose at the gate star went all the way to the tip of the peninsula past six mile and got tree and we walked Tiffany all the way to star tree and about halfway back.
She was crying. Yeah. Her legs hurt. He didn't think she was going to make it. We're gonna have to call a helicopter in to get her. Yeah. Okay. So I'm going to flip the coin again and say, you know, we're talking about all the comradery and everything that goes on outside of Coon hunting and different types of hounds. Correct? Nope. Here's where I'm going to say that Tiffany says, Oh, hold on. We got some other comments coming here. We can't skip these. Tim Gilchrist.
I am from the old school where the competition was the dog that finishes the track first, not the one that bust out and gets lucky enough to fall on a hot track. There was a time period where that was a true statement. And Tim, you know, I'd say that you've been around, you've been around here a long time. You've seen that transition. So I'm sure you've seen that. Tiffany Adkins says my legs still hurt from that hunt. And Garrett Stanley says, Basham, you're wrong for that.
That's some rough country. Oh, and by the way, if ever need be, I got proof of it. Oh, I'm sure you do. So I'm going to flip the coin again and say, you know, we've been sitting here talking about all the camaraderie that goes on in, you know, outside of Coon hunting. But one thing that I think Coon hunting does have going for it is that at these bigger hunts it is, I'm not going to say central, but it's a common location for people across the country to meet up. Right.
And you can do it multiple times a year. And let's let's just use UKC, for example, Tiffany says, Basham. And so let's use UKC. So you've got the Grand American in South Carolina in January. You're going to see your group of people there. You turn around in February and you see the same group down in Mississippi. Okay. And at winter classic and you can go on and on and on, but then you've got the world hunt. You've got tournament of champion zones. You've got autumn oaks.
And these are all events where people across the country are being brought into one location where the camaraderie can take place. Most of the time it's for two or three days. And I think something that you hit on with UKC is a lot of those guys that hunt those hunts, it's because the entry fees low and the prestige is high. So you can enter a, you know, a $40 hunt of autumns and win a national championship. You know what I'm saying?
Yeah. So a lot of, if you go look at the scorecards from bottom, if you go look at the scorecards from winter classics, if you go look at the scorecards from grand American, I guarantee you, you see more second, third and last trees in those hunts than you ever will in the PKC hunt. Oh, absolutely. A hundred percent. It's two totally different styles of dogs. And that is a fact. That's not opinion. That is fact. Wesley, Wesley, hold on. Wesley says, he says, I only like maybe five people.
I can't imagine seeing the guy that beats me hunt after hunt everywhere that I went. He said, but he loves meeting new folks and Wesley, that is true. I mean, you might have an arch enemy that you were going to run into at every single hunt, no matter where you go, you turn your head to the left in Mississippi and you turn your head right back around to Richmond, Indiana and there they are. You know, that, that is a true thing.
But that, but that's why automobiles draw so many people is because the, the art and the comradery still alive. It's just a lot less than what it used to be. Like you have to go far away. Like if you go up where Mark lives at, you're going to throw away more dogs at a UKC hunt than a PKC hunt. You go to where I live at, you ain't drawing no dogs at a UKC hunt. I mean, it's just, it's just not happening.
So I mean, it just depends on where you live at where, and to be honest with you, a lot of times it's where the older, where the older crowd is, the older guys that are still involved. Those are typically where you find your guys that hunt together and your camaraderie and all of that, you know, where the old guys have been ran out and they no longer participate in, in, in the hunts and it's where the young guys are. That's where you typically find your competition style dogs.
It's split and go in different directions. Yep. That's absolutely true. You know, and if you went back on what Wesley said, he only likes maybe five people. Well, you're stuck with the same five people for 30 days in a row in December. You know, you guys hunt with the same group for 30 days in a row and that can be good and that can be bad because I know at the end of 30 days, I would be aggravated with a few and I would be ready to be done with every one of them, you know, just to take a break.
But you, but at that same token, you know, what the other person's dogs are doing. You can almost, you know, write the book of how it is. Um, Wes said, he said, I don't like them either. You know, you can almost write the book on how things are going to go. Whereas, you know, with the competition side of things, when you're traveling across the country, you, you get the opportunity to see new dogs every single weekend.
You get the opportunity to look and see what's working in the north versus what's working in the south versus what works in the swamps versus what works in the mountains. You get to see all of that and you get to talk to other people and there is, you get to keep track of that. And I'm going to do a little foreshadowing here.
We're going to do a podcast at autumn Oaks with a guy who has come out with a tool that I think will be very, very neat for the competition houndsman as far as keeping track of those dogs that you've hunted with. And that's as far as I'm going to go with that, but stay tuned for autumn Oaks.
So you know, I can see every single side of the coin and I challenge every one of you guys who's watching this, whether you're a big game hunter, whether you're a competition coon hunter, go do the other one, go experience it. You don't have to fall in love with it and make it your hobby. Go experience it because that's one thing that I've loved. And you know, sometimes I get in trouble in the winter months for being gone too much. Send me to Virginia for a week. Send me to Kentucky for a week.
Send me anywhere. When you and I went to Arkansas, send me anywhere during hunting season and let me go hang out with people and let me go experience new things. Let me do that because I have some of my fondest memories running around doing all that. And do I have the best competition hounds? Absolutely not. Will I ever have the best competition hounds? Probably not. But you know what? I don't sit out there till four in the morning every, every night either.
You know, you know, I, I have fun doing it. I try to keep the fun in it. Sometimes it's tough, but it's all about having fun and experiencing new things. Whenever I go down to Kentucky, go to Virginia, go to Arkansas, that's not nine times a 10. I'm not taking a hand or a coon hand with me. So that's a week that they're not getting hunted, but you're making, you're building memories and experiences and you're not getting stuck in the rut. So I don't know. I love it. This has been fantastic.
I'm loving it. But we're also talking about two totally different things because I feel like in order to be competitive in the world that we live in, in the competition coon world, it's almost gotten to the point where the camaraderie part can't be because of the style of dog that it takes to win. The only time you get camaraderie is at the clubhouse. Yeah. Because let's just say that you go and you train a dog the way it used to be. Are you taking him to a PKC hunt and winning?
No, absolutely not. You're not because the minute you hit that recut and that dog goes and covers another dog that's treed and that tree's dead, you've just lost minutes. And anybody that's in the competition world knows it's not about any more everybody. You know, it used to be back whenever I was a kid that if you had a dog that consistently treat coons, you went to the clubhouse and you were the favorite to win. Everybody's got a dog that treats coons now. Everybody. Right.
It's about downtime does that dog have. How fast? That's why it ain't about people don't want their dogs to go three miles. I want mine to treat at 50 yards. What we got away from is I don't want my dog out there running a track for 25 minutes and then coming treed on an old feeder track where he's in a den tree and you're not going to score the coon. I want him flying through the woods hitting that red hot coon because when he hits that red hot coon, where's that coon going to go up?
A small little bitty tree or he's going to be looking at you because he's like, shit, something just scared me and I'm going to be looking and then he's going to jump out and cause you from making the final four and then you're going to tuck your tail and walk all the way back to the truck and tell me how bad your life sucks. Yep. That did happen, but I'm just saying that it's just different now. You know, everybody's got a dog at trees. I'm just calling it what it is. It's about how they do it.
That's what determines most of your winners. Yep. Very true. All right. Let's switch gears here. We're we're gosh darn. We've already passed 45 minutes here. I mean, this is a good dog on Tuesday, but I got one more thing I want to cover. Let's just swap gears, put it on a different hat. Audemokes. Let's talk about it. It's coming up. Okay. Put on that Audemokes hat. It is one of my favorite, absolute favorite weeks of the year. I this one, my most favorite. Love it.
We have no pressure this year. No pressure. None. So there's there's Steve Fielder coined the term the event where history is made. And I believe that's true. There's a lot of stuff that happens at Audemokes. You know, it's funny. Nikki's walking through the yard looking at the window at me as I talk about Audemokes. That is her favorite event. You know, this is something that her family has been involved in for, you know, I think I want to say pushing over 50 years consecutive.
Never missed one and maybe 60. I don't know. It's a lot. But you talked about this that I think I think I think UKC should come out with a way of documenting and giving guys like Nikki's dad, Curtis, you know, some type of award. I mean, how many how many years in a row? I want to say it's it's pushing 60. I know Nikki's been there for 40. So yeah. So I mean, he's been to like 60 consecutive. So that's that's pretty.
Yeah. But you know, so that that kicks off here, not this coming week, but the week after. And it is it's going to be it's a week long of fellowship of hunting of hanging out. Matt Johnson says, hey, brother, hope you are doing good, Matt. We're doing great, man. I hate that I missed it. I mean, I was literally within 30 minutes of Matthew Johnson the other day down in North Carolina. We tried to meet up. We tried to make schedules work. It just didn't happen. I hate that man.
But, you know, Audemokes is coming up and you've had a good run at Audemokes. You know, this has been a special hunt for both of us. And you know, I'm not trying to toot your horn or mine because Lord knows we don't need to toot yours. But you know, you took spot there a couple of years ago. First place overall registered dog, you know, put it on him. Did good doing it. Two years ago, you took Buddy in the national dual championship. You know, you won the national dual championship.
Looked good doing it. Did it right. You know, both in the woods and in the show. The same year that you did that was the year that kickstarted things for Jed and I. You know, I hunted dual for you in the or hunted Jed for you in the duels that went on a run of seven consecutive cast wins, which landed us fifth place in the UKC world at a thirty two hundred dogs. Fifth place to me. That is mind boggling to me. I'll probably never do that again. But it all started at Audemokes.
Right. And last year I got spot in the top 16. Yeah. Last year you got spot in the top 16. The Kuhn jumped out of the tree that you just talked about. He ambushed, you know, as you're walking to it, you watch the Kuhn bail cost you being in the final four. You know, like that was a good run this year on the Tuesday, the 27th. Nikki and I are getting married at Audemokes. Everybody here that's listening, you're welcome to be there. Seven o'clock food drinks. DJ, it's going to be a good time.
Just ordered the food today. Pulled pork, mac and cheese, coleslaw, beer, ice cream. Be there. But you know, beer, beer, beer skis. You know me. Yeah. So it's going to be a good time. Like it is just an event where there's so much that happens. And looking back, you know, it's been good to us as a team. Yeah. Yeah. It's free. Come on. No, I'm asking. Did you buy enough? Oh, yeah, we got that covered.
Okay. Yeah. You know, but as a team, as a simple dog in, you know, team, Audemokes has been good to us and not just in the competing side, not just in in any of that. But it's been it's been good to bring people together. That's where you met Mark and Tiff, you know, to bring it all full circle, bring it all full circle. About a week ago, Bryce calls me and he says, get my dog ready. Get my dog ready. I said, what?
And here we go again, because Ashland's always every dog that Bryce has done anything with. I've always had to get ready for him. So he said, get my dog ready. So it's kind of unique and maybe the stars align, whatever you want to call it, that it was spot where you met Nikki. We were on our run at the UKC Worlds in Peru, Indiana. Yep. Having us a good old time. I was with my hype man, equipment manager, whatever you want to call him. Me and Bryce were on a pretty good run.
And now, oh, wheels goes down. Wheels is down. Wheels, wheels, wheels. He's not running on all eight cylinders right now. He's got a relic. Yeah, he's down. Well, the wheel got a flat tire. And Bryce calls me and says, you know, spot ready. I'm gonna hunt the spot for you. So it's kind of cool the full circle of we were hunting spot when you first met Nikki. And then now you're going to be hunting spot when you all get married. So that's pretty neat. It is neat. It comes full circle.
It's super cool. I just hope he doesn't rip my arm off in the woods. That's all I'm asking. You got to tell the story now. All right. So I know some people heard it, but not everybody's heard it. All right. Quick story. I'm going to tell the story and we're going to wrap this up. All right. So whatever you have in your brain, jot it down for the next dog and Tuesday so we can pick back up. So Bastion calls me PKC world this year or last year. And he says, Hey, I got a problem.
I'm like, what's that? And he says, I got two dogs entered, two dogs qualified. I need you to come hunt one. I can only hunt one of them for you at a time. So, okay, this is down in Tennessee. So you know, me doing what I do as a good friend, last minute decision, I just tell Nikki, Hey, baby, got to go. I'm hitting the road to Tennessee. Be back in about four days. And I hop on the truck with Bastion, Tennessee bound. We go.
So I go to hunt spot and spot is a, I don't see the one man dog, but he's kind of one man dog. Pretty close. And you know, Bastion has been hunting. He's got him looking good, dialed in, tuned up, whatever you want to call it. Dogs clicking. And I take all spot out and buddy, he just looked terrible. You talk about the wheels falling off. I mean, it absolutely fell off the train derailed dump toxic waste in the fricking swamp. It was bad. He was backing dogs.
He was missing trees, just doing stuff that this dog doesn't do for Bastion when Bastion was behind the lead. He just doesn't do it. So I thought, you know, it's the end of the hunt and the hunt's over. I said, all right, well, you've done made me look stupid tonight. I got to hunt you again tomorrow. Like we're just going to get a little corrective action in here and squash this bug right now. And you're going to know who's boss and then we're going to come out tomorrow.
We're going to go pleasure hunting. We're going to fix a few things later tonight and then we're going to try to do what you bet. Joey go for it. I know I said, you know, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to do a little corrective action right now. We're going to fix this right now. We're going to squash it. We're going to go out pleasure hunting. We're going to build on what we just learned and then we're going to hunt tomorrow night and let's hope we can do a little bit better.
Well, the corrective action did not go as planned at the tree. Old spitter spot turned around. If you guys haven't seen this dog, I mean, he is built like an absolute tank. There ain't an ounce of fat on this dog. He is thick as can be. And he turned on me and if anybody has seen me, he's probably about 90 pounds. Yeah. With no fat. And if anybody's ever seen my competition, I always wear a long sleeve shirt. Most of the time in the summer, it's a, it's a button up flannel cause they're cool.
I had him in one hand and he turned on me and started trying to eat my lunch. And buddy, I look like the Heisman trophy winner out here holding this dog out as far as I can stiff arm. And even he says, just trying to tear him. He got a hold of my shirt, rip my shirt sleeve off my arm. I'm walking out of the woods with one sleeve. And so I drew Joey go forth that night and I get back and I tell bashing what happened.
And of course he's laughing at me and I'm like, all right, well let's, let's do something different. Let's, let's swap it up. I said, I'll hunt Axel the next night. I say, you hunt Spot. Well Basham ends up drawing Joey again and Spot. Tell them about your hunt. Hunting down there on Luke Bryan and y'all had to take a freaking side by side cause he went through three miles. Oh yeah.
Yeah. So I'm hunting Axel and we ended up drawing out on Luke Bryan's hunting camp and we actually got way back in there and our guide, you know, he had keys to this place and he's like, all right, call me if you get back here and we'll have to go through the gate and get in there. And I said, okay. So we call him, Hey, he's way back in there. This dog never made a tree. And so he comes and get us and he unlocks the gate and here we are driving through Luke Bryan's property.
You know, and he's got his boats over. This is his duck hunting property. He's got his boats and his side by sides and his big cabin. It's just laid out duck pits everywhere that are dried up, they're ready to go. You can drive on the levees. Like it was just really, really cool. So my Tennessee experience was not great. Neither dog that I had looked good, but Basham draws one of the guys that I drew the night before and spot looked pretty good.
And Joey goes, there ain't no way that's the same dog. There's no freaking way. Cause Joey saw how dumb he looked and bash him. Yeah. Yeah. That's the same dog. So I'm curious to see what happens here at autumn Oaks wheels us down with their like, yeah, I doubt we're going to get to hunting. We've we're doing a new treatment on him that's not super well known. It's not something that is, you know, been tested a lot. I don't know. We're going to try it.
So we might, we might pull him out Saturday if he's looking okay, but I'm going to hunt spot for bash him at Oaks. And I'm just going to hope and pray that he, maybe I should like trim my beard a little bit, put a little touch of gray in it, you know, maybe try and look like bash him so that he thinks he's got the right person behind the lead and does all right. Yeah, but uh, real quick, it's coming up, busy month coming up. You got, uh, I got a truck hunt down in Lebanon.
Uh, next weekend I've got, uh, then we roll right into autumn Oaks. And then, uh, for those of you that, uh, got your dogs qualified, you got UKC zones, you've got the world hunt, you got false super stakes right after that. So it's a bam, bam, bam, bam, get ready, uh, you know, get your stuff done at home, get all your honey do list done and get ready to rock and roll cause it's going to be a busy month. That's right. I'm going to finish this out here.
I'm going to read a few of these last comments. Anthony Anderson says, simplify raw Earl Hogwarts says, congratulations on the wedding. Cool place to get married. That's awesome. Thank you. We're sure appreciate you. We're looking forward to it. Mark Atkins says Oaks brings people together in that it does. That is where bashing met Mark and Tiffany. Thank you, you're welcome for a friendship. You can thank me later. Anthony Anderson says, give him a cheeseburger as a peace offering.
L O L Hannah falling says country boy back three dogs for me. Chad took him the rest the next night and he won split three times. Never thought about looking at another dog. I'm telling you Hannah, that's exactly how I feel. I don't know how this stuff happens. Look at Colton sliding in here, trying to get his little piece of fame. Guys, this is, this is a, your national show champion, Colton Rovick. He just went down there to a dad's eye.
We won the national youth youth national show championship. So congratulations buddy. Um, Mark Gatkin says he is an ad ideal. I don't understand that one. And then he says he is a one man dog. Jennifer bashing wife. She says all spitter spot is probably one of the best dogs that we have ever been, we have ever had in our kennels. He is my favorite. Well he might be different in the kennels. He is in the wood. Don't look at him sideways. He'll get you.
Earl says Steven is as good as one man dog thing. Snowball was another one to add to that one man dog list. And Jennifer says, yay, Colton. Congratulations buddy. So real quick, I've known Earl since Mr. Earl Hoggard. I've known him since 2000 and probably 2011, something like that. Maybe even before then. But yeah, Mr. Earl Earl Hoggard from North Carolina. Yep. All right, buddy. Well, hey, we're closing in on an hour here. I got some things I got to get done. This has been good.
I want to say thank you to everybody for this dog on Tuesday. This is a good one. I love to see all the interaction. So join us, oh, actually, Dog on Tuesday will not happen in two weeks. That's when we're getting married. Why not? Yeah, I don't think we're going to go. We might, somebody might go Facebook live on the Semper Dog on Podcast group for the wedding. What? 7 o'clock. So it's an hour before. It is.
So if I'm not too caught up in the moment or if I've not had too many brusch skis, then hey, meet us live here for a live version of the Bryce Matthews wedding at Autumn Up. It'll be fun. It'll be fun, guys. Well, thank you from everybody here at Semper Dog. And thank you to our sponsors for all you bottom out doors. Never satisfied Off-Road. We sure appreciate them, guys, you know, sticking with us through all this stuff. Mashem, this has been fun, buddy.
I'm excited for Oaks. I'm excited to see where things goes. Yep. I gotta go load up and hit the woods, bud. All right, Tim, for well, guys, we are going to sign off here. Like you said, if you haven't listened to the podcast we just released the last Friday that sparked this entire conversation, please go do so. That was with Mr. Jason Hines and Chad Spradlin, their dog split train trigger. And it stirred the pot a little bit in a good way. It got it got people talking. So go check that out.
We're going to have some more podcasts coming up for you live at Autumn Oaks. We've got a couple of people lined up to record over there. Drop some more content for you. Hopefully we're going to get a few more guys on here that aren't just in the Coonhound section. You know, we need this. We need to branch out a little bit. Let me get back after that. So we sure appreciate you here at Semper Dog and everything that you do. I do want to give a shout out to Hometown Hero Outdoors real quick.
I got their hat even rocking their koozie. Guys, Hometown Heroes Outdoors, they're a great organization. And if you guys have any heroes that you want to get shouted out here on the podcast, please send them over to us at semperdoggan at gmail.com. I want to have a Hometown Hero Outdoors hero of the week every single episode. The only way we can do that though is with you guys sending those in. So please EMS, firefighter, police, military, any of those guys. We want to recognize them.
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