You can still fall back on what you're doing now. You don't have to quit everything to start a new thing. Just think to yourself, there is something that I might be doing in eighteen months time that I haven't even thought of yet. If I had the idea and I followed through and the pieces start to fall together, maybe my life will look completely different in eighteen months time for the better.
Welcome to the Sees the YA Podcast. Busy and happy are not the same thing. We too rarely question what makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than one way. So this is a platform to hear and explore the stories.
Of those who found lives They adore, the good, bad and ugly.
The best and worst day will bear all the facets of seizing your yay. I'm Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned unentrepreneurs. WP The Suits and Heels to kofa matcha Maiden and matcha milkbar CZA is a series of conversations on finding a life you love and exploring the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way.
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Few things feel as special as absolutely frothing one of our guests and everything they do, then hearing that they've actually been listening to the podcast themselves for years. And I feel even more privileged to have today's guest on the show because she doesn't do them very often, and in fact, didn't even reveal herself as the founder of her business until eight months after its explosive launch onto the scene. That's just one of the many examples of
Samantha Brett blazing her own trail. I found this chat such an invigorating reminder that someone else out there is always looking for exactly what you have to offer, even if it doesn't already exist or nobody else is doing it. And it turns out all of us were looking for and needing exactly what she has to offer with her
award winning world leading Naked Sunday's SPF skincare. If you're in the demographic of this podcast, you've probably already heard of Naked Sundays, But if not, it'll change your life or at the very least, your skin. In a country where melanoma rates are among the highest in the world, Samantha has changed the way the most at risk but most reluctant demographic millennials, relates to SPF creating world first,
high performance, multipurpose chemist formulated products. She explains them best herself, and as you'll hear, I cannot rave more about these products. But imagine sunscreen without the whiteness, stickiness, and clogging of the skin that have traditionally made sun protection difficult or uncomfortable for our skin. And I cannot not mention her hydrating glow miss that allows you to reapply on top of your makeup invisibly while setting that makeup and not
interrupting it. And this has all happened only recently, with an entire career in news reporting and column writing. Beforehand talk about apath Ya, I'll stop before I gush too much, but I hope you are all as blown away by this one as I am.
Samantha. Welcome to Cca.
Thank you, Sarah. I'm very excited to be here. I remember when I first launched, Actually I contacted you and said, do you want to try some sunscreen?
I actually remember that was that you.
Yes, I do everything I do all the socials. Well I have help now, but yes, it is me that you are talking to on Instagram.
Isn't that the funniest thing about starting a business that you know, in the early days you kind of refer to like us and we and the team and it's just you by yourself, pretending to change hats in between conversations, and everyone's like, you know, I totally thought I was speaking to your like marketing manager or like head of digital and you're like, no, no, well you were, but it was me.
Yes, exactly, I was all those things, that's right.
And you have come, I mean, such an enormous distance, achieving so much in such a short amount of time, which I can't wait to get into. But as you may already know, I kick off every episode by asking everyone what the most down to earth thing is about them, and the fact that it's you doing all the jobs is probably one of them. But to anyone else from the outside, I mean, Naked Sundays appears like this massive,
well established brand. You would have no idea that it was so new and that you know, this was such a recent chapter of your life. So for those who have only seen the very beautiful, glossy and holographic kind of exterior, what's something really normal about you?
Well, I think I've been on the news for over ten years, and I don't think people actually realized that. You know, I would get up at three o'clock in the morning. I would sleep with half my eye makeup, and I would sleep with my hands out and my face facing forward. And then I would get up and at three o'clock in the morning, you don't want to do your makeup. You don't want to do anything. So I would just go. I would just put on the
rest of my makeup, be on air, look immaculate. And I don't anyone realized there's no auto cue, so I had to remember all my lines off my heart. And I think I've just taken that with me now as a CEO and a boss and running a team and running a big business. I just take that with me, and you know, I get ready. It's if I have
to take more than thirty seconds in the morning. There's something wrong once a week head and that's it, and then it's good to go, and you know, get I won't say I wear the same makeup every day, but you know, I'll get like maybe lashes every every month, and then that's it. You know, there's like put a bit of blush, sunscreen, and then you're off. And I just think people think I'm one of those people who take hours and do my makeup and do my skin care routine. No, no, no, And that's part of the
philosophy of naked Sundays as well. Everything's multitasking because I am the quickest person in the morning. Don't spend long. My husband spends longer than I do.
Oh, I love that so much.
That is definitely something that I've noticed as I've kind of, you know, had more exposure to TV and the news, and like, from the outside, you really do think that it's a so glamorous, but b that journos and newsreaders just turn up and there's paper and you just kind of read off the paper, Like I just totally assume that you're a mouthpiece for kind of some story that I don't know someone else has written, like the Fairies
in the Sky. But you actually have to do all that and you have to get up at that time in the morning. And yet like I had no idea you didn't have auto Q either.
Yes, And I was watching some of my stories because Channel seven actually did a story on me recently and they put some of my clips up and walking for
about two minutes about really important facts. I was out at the bushfires and I was rattling off, you know, how many homes were lost and exactly what happened and where the fires, like what parts of New South Wales the fires ravage, And I'm thinking there was no paper in my hand, no autoque, and I was thinking people are looking at that at home and they have said to me, oh, you have an auto Q you're out there.
I couldn't even believe I was wearing makeup. I remember sleeping on the floor where the bushfires happened for a couple of days with no makeup, nothing with me, no pieces of paper, no auto queue. But being on the ground and being in one of those situations, I think your mind. I feel like it's a muscle that you can learn how to say facts and figures in a really concise, interesting and cohesive way. It's a muscle, you know.
It's just you learn how to do that. And I guess over the ten years that I was doing live television every single day, I learned how to do it, but no one would have any idea that. I looked at it now and I think, oh my god, how did I remember all of that? But no one would have any idea that that was stuff that I just learned just then I just arrived at the scene and that I had to say it.
Oh my gosh, well that already.
I mean the fact that firstly, the full circle your career has gone from presenting on Channel seven to then having your business featured is so exciting, so excited to get into that. But also that's so down to earth. I mean, the fact that you've had this entire career, but also that behind the scenes of what you see look so presented, but there's always a story behind the scenes where there's a journal slipping on.
The floor or like, you know, I think it's just this is why.
I love this show so much, because you do get to hear a little bit more of the stuff that you don't often see. And remember, there's so much that goes on behind the scenes.
You know.
We walk into people's lives now and think they've got it all together. Everything was always easy. They woke up one day and knew what they wanted to do. But it's just not the case for anybody. So what I would love to kick off with is your way to yay like how you actually you know, people looking at you now would assume it was always beauty. You had
some kind of expertise or linked to the industry. You always knew you wanted to be a business woman, but you had a whole career before this and before that. You know, I'm sure you had many other ideas of where you thought your life would go. So take us back to very young you, to childhood. You you know, your first jobs, what you thought you wanted to be, what were your big dreams.
So when I finished school the day Inish school, I walked into work experience at a newsroom the next day, finished on the Friday, walked in on the Monday, and I just really loved and thrived off breaking news and being in a news environment. I just loved it. And then I was at union. I heard that you could do an internship only in the US. You couldn't really do one here in Australia, but you could really get
your teeth into it. So I applied for CNN, CBS, Fox News anyway, didn't hear anything back for six months, and then suddenly I got all three and CNN was in Atlanta, CBS was somewhere else, but Fox News was in New York and was right in the center of Manhattan, and I just thought, I've never been to New York. I've never even been to America. I was nineteen years old, and I thought, this is something I'm going to do. So I moved to New York and you can do
a full time internship then get your university credits. And I just loved it. Oh, Sarah, I was living in Manhattan. I was living the life. First time I'd lived out of home, living in an apartment in downtow and going into the center of Manhattan every single day. And it didn't matter that I worked at Fox News or you know. I wasn't involved in the politics. I was involved in how a newsroom works, at getting news on the air. The politics side was very interesting, but not something that
I delved in. In Australians, we don't really.
Get about it.
That's so I was happy to eat the free bagels on Level two every morning and the free hot chocolate. They gave you free food every day. It was amazing.
My god, life goals.
While I was there. This is interesting everyone, despite the fact we were right in the middle of an election, everyone was only talking about their own relationships when they weren't working, and I thought, wow, Sex and the City was so big back then. Sorry, I'm showing my age. I thought, what a cool way to bring in my
journalism and the things I love. And I was reading the news back home every day online and I thought, what about if I could write a Sex and the City type column back home in Australia online though there was no such thing as blogs. Can you believe it? And make it interactive? And so I pitched it to the Sydney Morning Herald. I called them from New York. I was twenty nineteen twenty and they said no anyway.
I pitched them every week every month for about a year, and eventually they called me and they said, all right, you can start on Monday. Just stop calling us. So I started Sam in the City. I don't know if you remember it, but it was probably before your time, and it was the very first news blog. It was in the Cydney Morning Herald in the age and I did it for six years and it became the number one column, number one blog in the country, one awards.
We had one hundred thousand readers a day, hundreds of comments. People through the column. Yeah, they met, they fell in love, they got married. So I was able to do that and so that taught me how to build a community from scratch and I love that I thrived on that. But of course I was in a very glamorous life and it really was like sex and the City. I came back to Australia, went to Red Cup. It's hosted events, it wrote seven books. I know you've just written an amazing,
amazing book. Wrote seven on dating and just living this glam life. And then my own relationship kind of faltered and I thought, I can't do this anymore. I want to get back to news, what I love, and so I quit that job and I moved to the country where you have to if you want to start as a news reporter, you have to go to the country. So moved to the country by myself, so New South Wales, rural Wogger Orange. Then I moved to hope Art by myself.
I filmed my own news stories, edited, did Live Crosses film myself during Live Crosses got the attention of CNN and CBS while I was in Hobart because of a big international story which I won't go into, and then eventually got a job offer at Channel seven in Sydney, and so I moved back to Sydney and my dream was filmed Sunrise and I got onto Sunrise and I was the Sydney reporter for multiple years. Gosh, really showing my.
Age here yet at all.
I mean, if this is not an ad for using naked Sundays on your face, I don't know what is.
Thank you. So just was living my dream reporter for Sunrise and I did that for over seven years. I was at Channel seven on Sunrise every single day, so as I said, waking up at three o'clock in the morning, working till sometimes ten o'clock at night. We had a late night show and being at the forefront of every breaking news story for seven years straight is it's incredible. It's taxing. You're with people on the best days of
their lives and the worst days of their lives. You're the first person on the scene most of the time, and you learn all these quite incredible skills, and you meet extraordinary people, and you hear extraordinary stories, and you're telling their stories every day. So then COVID hits and it's a whole different ballgame because not only are you now speaking to people that are dealing with COVID and are losing loved ones, And there was a lot of death at the time, and the big story was the
aged care homes and the death. But you're fearing for your own life because no one knew what COVID was or what it would become, and so you're fearing, do what am I going to get exposed by being out in these hot spots every day? Anyway? So that was that was the time. What a time to be alive,
What a time to be alive? As a news report at three o'clock in the morning, when there's an outbreak and you're there, you're in the outbreak, You're standing there, You're interviewing people who hon a lad out of their homes or who may have lost a loved one, and you're just thinking, I don't know if I can continue on like this, and I have a five year old daughter, and it just got it got a lot. That's my story.
Well, I mean before we even get to the chapter where a lot of people you meet you now and probably assume that that's always where you intended to go, You've already kind of you know, expressed dreams for yourself and hit them, which is a a really interesting experience to hit, you know, relive your dream life quite early in your life and then kind of well what do I do next?
But also it sounds.
Like you've put yourself out there for a lot of things that seemed really big and scary, like to go from here straight to the epicenter of news in the US as your internship, that's you know, at the end of a lot of people, much further into a lot
of people's careers than the very beginning. Then to sort of set your sights on sunrise, and you know, how did you put yourself out there for those things that are scary and big and then pitching a column and just not taking no for an answer, Like before we even got to this chapter, you've already kind of covered rejection, self doubt, like change, the fact that you've already made quite a few changes. When the column you know, suited you, you did it, but then when it started to not
suit you anymore, you shifted to a new chapter. And that's very much.
What this path Yay section is about, is that there are lots of different dots that connect. They don't all last.
Forever, They're not supposed to you're meant to chop and change and try new things. But it sounds probably easier than I'm sure it was. So how did you put yourself out there for the those opportunities?
So you absolutely hit the nail on the head there, Sarah, this is exactly what I love to tell people. So when I quit the column, my entire identity was wrapped up in that. You know, my books and my life and my friends and my job, and everyone knew me. I would go into the street, they'd be like, oh, I read your column today, and I was on radio and TV every day. And to let that go, knowing in my heart that I didn't want to do it anymore.
I wanted to do something else. Was extremely difficult, and it took so much out of me to do that. But once you do it once, then it makes it easier the next time. So as you're saying, my dream was to be on Sunrise, and then can you imagine the day where I said, Okay, I'm no longer doing Sunrise. I'm now going to focus on Naked Sundays. But I kept saying to myself, remember the time you did that, when you had the column and you moved into news and everything was okay. The walls didn't fall in, the
sky didn't fall in. Everyone continued with their lives. No one really cared. And I now say to people when they ask me advice, it's your life, and you need to wake up every day and love what you do and be happy with doing it. Otherwise there's no point in doing it anymore. The fear for me now is continuing to do that life that you don't love anymore. Oh, that's more of a fear that is so powerful.
I think when we are overcome by a fear of uncertainty, or fear of change, or fear of failure, or fear of all those things, we also don't take into account that there's other you know, what are you more scared of? Are you scared of failing or are you scared of never trying? Like we often don't think of what it's costing you to let self doubt or to let imposter syndrome kind of, you know, take those dreams away from
you. You don't look at the cost of that because you just you're so overcome by like, oh my god, what if it goes wrong?
But what if it goes right?
And what if you never knew that it could go right, you know. And I love that idea as well, that the more you practice the sort of art of reinventing yourself and realizing no one noticed most of the time, but also that you're much more capable than you ever imagine, then the next time you're like, oh, well, I've got empirical evidence that I survived at last time, so.
Then I can do it again, Like why would you not?
Why would you not evolve and grow into different chapters. And it does involve letting go of something that was your entire identity, but it also makes room for a new.
One that's exactly right. It makes room for a new one that's one hundred percent. And you only need to do it once to know that it's not that scary. But the first time, I will admit it was very scary petrified.
I also think it's sometimes it doesn't hit you across the face, you know, like sometimes being unhappy, not unhappy, but just being in a situation that was once your dream and still enjoying it and still having lots of benefits and being able to tick a lot of boxes with that seven years in to your life at sunrise, it's very easy to just think, Okay, I wished for this for so long I couldn't ever throw it away, And you might never get to the point of being like,
I'm desperately unhappy here, I need to leave. But it's okay to leave. Before it gets to that. I think people feel like before they'll make a change in their life, they have to be really desperately unhappy or inconvenienced, or face some major discomfort. But you can also get to a place where you're just not growing anymore, or where you're ready for the next challenge. So what was it for you where you realized, you know, I've done this
for seven years and it's been amazing. How do you know when you're on the cusp of another big change?
So mac a round, Well that's a great side.
And asked to stock naked Sundays and it was a very easy decision. After that, I didn't tell anyone that it was me that had created it. So I was. I was a news reporter. I was out in the sun.
A couple of my colleagues they would come into work and I remember distinctly one of them had a big cut across his face and he had a skin can to cut out, and then one of my other colleagues had a massive skin can to cut out the top of her hat, and it just got me thinking, oh, am, I way on sunscreen when I'm out there all day in the blazing sun reporting with a full face and make up. Well, yeah, I put it on at three
in the morning, but that's not going to last. And so I thought, okay, well maybe I can just top it up. And then I thought, well, hang on, how do I top up sunscreen? You can't. It's white, it's sticky, it's oily, it's greasy. And then I've got the TV lights on my face. So anything that reflects white cast or oil or even glowy sunscreen just wouldn't have worked. And so I thought to myself, well, why isn't anything out there? WHATMS if I create it? And so it
took about two years. I came up with something the hydrating glow missed finally, after years of iterations and people telling me it couldn't be done. And it's a spray to spray over your makeup when you're out and about. It's not greasy, it's not oily, it's got healeronic asid vitamin see it's good for your skin and it also sets your makeup. And so I launched it not telling a single person that it was me. Took some money out of our mortgage, my husband and I. We just
put it out there. We asked two influences to post about it, and it completely blew up like wildfire. And so so in the first three weeks we completely sold out, and then we had no more money to create more products. But we got over that. But people were saying, not I want this product, they were saying I need it. Oh my gosh, where has this been all my life? This is something I need. And so to your point,
that started to trickle through and COVID. That was the year of COVID last twenty twenty one, and COVID started to get worse and worse, and my reporting life started to get less fun. I just wasn't enjoying it. It was hard. It was it was taxing emotionally, personally, physically. It was just taxing. And I when you ask a reporter how they cope, we go to the fire and the flood, we're there. You know, there was an awful
terror attack in Indonesia and I flew there. I went there you know, you go to those things, that's where you need to be. You need to be on the ground on the breaking news. But when the breaking news story unfolds and it becomes a safety issue for you and your own family and your child, you know, her daycare had shut down. Like all of that stuff happened, it became no longer something that I found not fun might be the wrong word, but fulfilling. It was no
longer fulfilling. It was scary. It was scary. So I'd go home from work and I'd work on as you say, holographic lilag fun skincare saving people's lives as sunscreen. And then you know, I'd go to this job where it was just so taxing. And then, as I said, Mecha wanted to stock us and they wanted to a profile piece on me, and no one knew it was me. For eight months, I didn't tell anyone that wanted the products to speak for themselves. And then I thought, it's Mecca,
it's a dream. How can I say no? And I took a month off work and to really decide what I wanted to do, and then seven was so understanding. I always told them, you know, I have this amazing thought in my head to change the way millennials use sunscreen and save more people's lives. And they understood that when I told them, and so when I decided to quit, they were super understanding. And you know, surely no one buys sunscreen in winter. You can come back.
Next to your right Little did they know.
Little did they know that being a CEO's a year long thing. You don't just stop for a couple of months. And you know, I got to that point where it was scary. Will I will admit, I mean, this is a job I love. I still identify myself as a news re border. It's just in me. I love it. I am obsessed with news. I love live television. It just it gets me up in the morning. I would bounce out of bed at three o'clock in the morning every day. And I think you'll ever meet someone that
did that. And they saw me as that, and they knew to rely on me. And I never missed a day of work, and you know, breaking news, and I was there and fireflood, whatever it was like. I was in my raincoat and in the rain and in the snow. It didn't matter. I was there and I am obsessed with it, and you know, I've just transferred that passion
into Naked Sundays now. Because the minute I realized that people were saying they needed this product, not that they wanted it, not that it was something nice to have, but that they needed what we were trying to do, I thought, well, there's an opportunity here for me to really change habits of people early, and so that that has what kept me going. That's my a Now.
I love that so much.
I love that you still have the passion for what you started out as because I think again, like people don't think that they can make a change in their life if it's good, they won't look for great, But then that means that they were just sitting good forever. And my corporate career was like that. I wasn't a corporate refuge because I hated where I was. I got off on the prestige and you know, the gratuity of success in climbing a corporate ladder. And I still find
parts of law really really interesting. But it's almost like when you do start something else and you allow yourself to have other interests at the same time, it's the contrast that shows you, like, oh, this is how I feel when I'm one hundred percent fulfilled and then suddenly everything else pales in comparison. But unless you try other things things, you're never going to know. You won't know what can stick, you won't know how much more fulfilled
you can be, and you won't even often know. I think that you're on the cusp of looking for a new chapter until you kind of just started.
That's exactly right. So I wanted to also say to people listening, it's not that I had this idea for Naked Sundays and it became a huge success. I along the way, I've always thought of different ideas well being a news report. I always love being an entrepreneur. It's something that I just enjoy. I enjoy making websites and products and books and whatever, and so I've done multiple things that haven't taken off, and that hasn't deterred me
from continuing to try. So it's not that you have to feel like I'm going to quit my job and do this amazing business and it's going to all work out. Unfortunately, No, that's not really how it works. Well, it didn't work like that for me, and I tried multiple things and so when they don't stick, that's okay. You can still fall back on what you're doing now. You don't have
to quit everything to start a new thing. And I didn't quit until I knew that it was going to be a success and that I was able to quit. So don't be afraid to try, and also don't be disheartened if it doesn't work out for the first time. Try something else.
Absolutely.
I think that's another thing that we would never hear the stories of the things you've tried and haven't worked because why they didn't work, So you know what I mean, Like they'll never see the light of day, which means people don't know that that's what you've been through to get their life.
Always like it rewards you.
On like the sixth and seventh and eighth and ninth try, but all the times it doesn't work. I kind of think the more data you have to make better decisions next time, the better off you are. And now you see how naked Sundays is your life purpose. Everything else didn't work so you could get to hear because you wouldn't have got to where you are now. And I
think it's just extraordinary. I mean, the mist is like I can't even explain how much it blows my mind that a it wasn't in existence before, but b that it was just you out experiencing not being able to protect your skin over the top of makeup on TV that were just like, I am going to close this gap, and then everyone else in the world was like, yep, we've been waiting for you, because like, and this is what I think about letting self doubt or letting risk
or fear stop you. If you listen to that, you would have deprived everyone now who can protect their skin from exactly what you have to offer. Someone else out there is always looking for exactly what you have. And it reminds me of that TikTok whenever anyone gets like one video goes viral and they're like, so do I call La or does LA call me?
It's like, do I call Mecca?
Now?
I found out a business, but Mecca called. You see, someone was looking for exactly what you had.
Well, I'm sure one of us called. I can't remember. It was so long ago, but I'm sure it wasn't that they just picked up the phone and thought we need this missed. I think it was a lot of retailers. So many retailers, all the big retailers and around the world and in Australia as well, have all contacted. So I can't say for sure who did watch, but I definitely was speaking to Mecca very early on.
That's incredible and justifiably there's nothing else like that out there. And you have made SPO fifty plus and looking after your skin cool and easy over the top of makeup. That's the biggest issue with reapplication is like messing up the contrary that takes everyone eighty five hours.
To do it.
So how did you get it off the ground? Like It's one thing to have an idea for a product, but to actually get formulations that work, to work with manufacturers you'd never done, like a product in beauty before. How do you come up with a name? Like how do you even learn about the statistics for sun protection and sun care? You know, it's a whole new world and that idea of reinvention and jumping into a world you know nothing about. Do you start just small and chip away?
Like what did that two years look like?
Yes? Interestingly, when I started the dating column, I was twenty twenty years old. I knew nothing about dating, and I remember just getting a pile of books. You know, we didn't have the internet. Google was a fignament of my imagination. So I'd got a pile of books, like twenty books, and I read all of them about relationships. And then I interviewed the world's top experts in their fields and psychologists, and I continue to interview them throughout
the whole column of six years. Same thing happened with this. I just got on the phone and I rang every single teach I didn't even know the TGA rules or anything, but I started ringing TGA chemists and experts in their fields and asking questions. And I started to formulate an idea in my head of how a formula would work and who would be able to make it for me, and then where I'd be able to make it. And then the same thing with packaging. I just started asking
questions and I can't it's just that enough. My husband reminds me we were on holiday like two years before we even thought to solidify naked Sundays. He remembers me, on the phone, I think we're driving to Byron Bay, just on the phone to chemists and formulators, and manifact is just saying, all right, I need this spray. It needs to be transparent. Can you make it for me? What ingredients and what's the testing? How do we get
the SBF up to fifty plus? So I like created dossier in my head really about the structure of how to go about doing it, and then I just went methodically, step by step. And you know, I asked ten people to make it, and one of them came back and
said that it might be possible. And then I asked ten twenty packaging people, how do you get this beautiful fine miss that doesn't go in your eyes, looks cool on the shelfy is made from you know, recyclable material and all the things that I wanted can be lilac. And I just kept asking and I must have gone through a hundred different kinds of bottles and sprays, and I get spraying. I would go to sleep sometimes like with my eyes swollen because I'd been spraying in my
eyes all day. My daughter said to me one She's like, Mummy, you need to stop putting sunscreen in your eyes. I said, darling, I have to test it. It's my job. She's like, don't do it anymore. I just I literally lived and bade trying to discover the not even the secrets, but just the way of how to do it. And I wish that I would have had shortcuts and people who would just tell me, Hey, I've done it before, here's
how you do it. But I think the beauty of it is that I went through that process because I feel like knowing that process now has helped me really be agile in what I'm doing. So everything we now do, we try and do world first, formulas, first to market, formulas, best in class in terms of formulation, packaging, usage, how it's applied, how it stays on, how it can go over your makeup or work with well with your makeup.
So now if I think of an idea, I now know those shortcuts to getting it onto the shelves quicker and without having done all the leg room. And if someone just told me, would it have been as fun?
I don't know, Sarah, but yeah, you carry that to you know the rest of the brand. Now you do that process once and it takes you two years, but now every time you have an idea, you have a.
Model to sort of roll that out.
And I love that you shared that because I think that is another big part of any business that no one sees. They see your beautiful packaging, your beautiful formulations, but again, don't realize that you might have tried like fifty different bottles to get the right one and we
did exactly the same. Like people would say, you know, can you just give me your bag supplier, as if I hadn't tried like a million different bags to get the right humidity and the right waterproof but then the print for the ink to be the right on the outside like them.
But that's what.
Makes Naked Sundays so special and so different is that you have gone to all that effort. And I think that's why, you know, all those hard yards go into catapulting you to where you are today, because it's seamless. It's absolutely beautiful. But it's a lovely reminder that it doesn't start that way.
Everyone know here what Sarah's saying. It's every last little detail. It needs to be redone and reiterated hundreds of times. You know, it doesn't just pop up and here's my manufacturer. I wish it work that way, but it does.
And I'd love to ask now before we get into the actual formulations, and I want to also kind of remind everyone about some of the facts we need to know, just just remind ourselves why it's so important to protect your skin from the sun. But one thing that's really interesting about the way you launch Naked Sundays is that, as you mentioned, didn't say that it was you for
eight months and now you know. I feel like the message business owners get a lot is put your face to it, tell the story, humanize yourself, you know, get out there on socials. But also ego requires you know, your ego pushes you to when something takes off, to be proud of it and tell people. And in a kind of culture that's very hustle, like be proud, put
your best foot forward. It's so interesting that you almost bought yourself eight months of not having to deal with that to let the products speak for themselves, which is very much the reverse. I think of what a lot of bhysiness models happening, Like can you talk us through
how that unraveled? Did you feel like it was like buying you time to not have to worry about, you know, it being attached to your name, Like I remember I didn't tell anyone at the firm, but that's because I was scared about getting fired, but it also allowed me to not be judged by anyone if it didn't go well, Like I feel like it protected me.
What was going through your mind in that in that decision?
Correct, I felt exactly the same as you, and I feel that, Oh, there were so many emotions going through at the time, same as you. Am I going to fail is ever I'm going to hate this? But then the most important thing for me is that this is a TGA product, TGA FDA certified kind of medicine product that you really need to get right in that sense. And I never wanted anyone to turn around and say, well, why is this news reporter thinking that she can create
a sunscreen which is a TGA product. So I really made the calculated decision to say, Okay, this is going to be a high performance SBF that I wanted to speak for itself and I want people to know the efficacy without thinking, oh, but the founder. I didn't want it to founder. Let this is not my formulas. This is the TGA approved formulas that work. And that was just my publicists would fight with me every day. They need to interview you, I said, who they don't need
to interview me, here's the product. She goes, no, we need a face, we need a founder, and I said, no, you don't, you don't, and she fought with me the whole time, and towards the end she stopped fighting with me, and then I said I'm ready. She said, oh, well, you know, it's a bit late for you now. And it was slow. It wasn't like, oh my god, Sam's behind the face. Let's talk to Sam. It was and to this day, our customers they speak to the brand.
They speak to the brand, they talk to the brand on socials like they actually speak as of the brand's the personality, which is also me but anyway, and I love that because no one cares who the founder it is. And I like that. I think that's such a new way, as you say, it's not the way people do it anymore, in such a new way, interestingly of looking at a brand, and because it's a sunscreen, that is important to me and I want to keep it that way, so I try and not to do I don't do every podcast,
I've done very very few. I hardly do any interviews, and I really try and make sure that this is not a founder, let brand for that reason.
That is such an honor that you even said yes, particularly knowing that I.
Didn't say yes. I've been asking.
Can I Oh my gosh, that is seriously, that's such an honor because I admire what you're doing so much. But I also think that's very reassuring for a lot of business owners out there who are the same. They want their products to speak for themselves. Maybe they don't want the enmeshment that comes with you being the brand. Some brands live because the identity of the founder is
tied up with it. Some people don't want that, and whether in their lifestyle they want that for personal reasons or because of the product for the business, they want that for business reasons. I think it's really interesting that it can work the other way around, particularly in this era where social media wants a face all the time. Naked Sundays has not suffered at all. It's become a cult and an identity of its own, and it's amazing
that you get to pick and choose. You know, it doesn't depend on you putting your face out there.
All the time.
I will say a funny story. I just got back from the US where we launched there, and we had a room full of you know, a hundred of the top influencers in the US, and they were so lovely and they were so down to earth, and it was quite an interesting experience for me. But I got up and I told my story about being a newsreader and about you know, why I needed the sunscreen. They came up to me afterwards and they were in shock. Oh, my god, your brand story is actually real. It's not
just a made up brand story. Were here all the time, you know, you have to have a brand story. And so we see these founders stand up and they say, a made up story, but yours is real.
They wouldn't understand people make them up.
Because in the US it's such a thing like what is your brand story? And you must write it out and must be this, this and this and then I don't even have notes. I don't need notes. I was a news reporter for ten years. Like there's no notes or story. It just is what it is. And they were so surprised. They were in shock, like, this is real. You really needed the sunscreen, and so you made it really there was the funniest thing. And I was thinking, this is so funny. You know that they understand this
need for a founder's story. And I've heard of that before too, so I mean, yeah, it's just a real story and not one that I share because I didn't need to and I didn't want to, And now that I do, it's nice. It's nice to hear people resonate with it.
Yeah. Wow, So that actually makes me think, like in any area, whether product or a decision that's more personal or marketing or whatever it is, it's very hard when you're doing something as differently as you are, when you are kind of going against the grain or doing something new, or you know, even the product formulations are different to what's kind of ever been done before, or you bring out things at a world leading it's very hard because
you are going against the current, so you're pushing against difference all the time. And I find like in the NATA section, we've talked kind of about fear and risk and all that kind of stuff, but comparison is so rife. It is so hard not to be looking at what everyone else is doing. So when you've decided to do something that's not the way everyone else is doing it, did you ever get distracted by comparing yourself?
By absolutely? And I love that you've brought this up, and I would wonder how you would deal with this as well, because I find it interesting that people who are able to get to the places in their careers where you have, how do you deal with that? And you know, it consumes a lot of people, especially younger people, and so it has consumed me at times. And can you imagine being a news reporter or a news presenter and you've got the other networks. Yeah, But recently, and
I really want people to who are listening to hear this. Recently, I have found a place which is a lane that has no cars in it and it's just for me and naked Sundays and there's no one but to get to that point where you are in your lane and you are not looking left or right, there's a lot of pain that you go through to get there, and you really have to learn that exactly what I've just said, When you are looking left and right and constantly at
competition or other people, it's painful, and guess what, that pain doesn't serve you, and so you have to let it go. And it comes with meditation, reading, getting to know yourself and your brand really well so that you're confident with what you're doing. And it's funny. My friend saying to me the other day she's starting a business on a completely separate topic, and she said to me, Oh, this girl I bumped into she's also doing it. And it's funny because I look at that girl and I
think I've never heard of her. I don't care what she's doing. Why is my friend caring? And then it made me laugh and think that's how I sound when I'm like, oh, but this person's doing this in skincare and this person you know, and it's like the person who I'm telling to they don't even know what I'm better know those other people and they don't care. And it's only us that cares, right, And we're in this bubble where we're just so consumed, and the minute you can let that go, magic happens.
Oh my gosh, that is my favorite SoundBite almost all year, Like it's so true. It is so hard to do that thing where there are like I call it, just put the blinkers on. You sometimes have to, like even literal physical blinkers. Sometimes you have to mute pages that you follow in the production phase of something. Sometimes you have to literally force yourself to ignore the other cars to stay, like put up barriers on your road so
that you can just focus on what you're doing. Because it's that whole thing that it's the thief of joy. It literally will ruin. Like another quote I love is the fastest way to kill something special is to compare it to something else.
Like how powerful?
Totally, So I don't need any convincing. I am absolutely obsessed with everything that you create. The mist alone is just game changing. It has changed my life because I get very pigmented. I'm in, you know, thirty three, so I'm getting to that age where I really care about some protection every day. But what is so important, like give us some of the stats that you're passionate about some of the statistics, or even like that we should reply every ninety minutes. I don't think people know that.
And then your favorite products and why you're so excited about naked Sundays helping us address those statistics.
So I am not a sales sales e. So anything I've created is because A it wasn't on the market and people needed it, or B I needed it. But I did a survey of I think it was two thousand millennials so age between eighteen and I think thirty four, and I found that seventy percent of them didn't wear SBF every day, And then I did the survey which asked them why, and they said the main reasons were it's white, it's sticky, and it's not good for my skin.
And so I pretty much always believe that if I ever did the SBF, it would have to have no white cars, not be sticky, and be good for your skin. And then that cemented to me when I did that pole, that is exactly what people are saying. So the statistics are also that millennials are most at risk of melanomas that age bracket. And so for me, the whole point really of naked Sundays and why it's so fun and purple and lilac and rainbow is to really get the
younger generation changing their habits now. And you're lucky and that your family and your mum and still that to you early, but most of us, even if our parents did say that to us, we still shunned sunscreen and didn't listen. And now we get to my age and I'm a bit older than you, but it's all about those expensive reversal procedures, which is, you know, that's the trend now, and it's just it's expensive, it's invasive, it's annoying,
Like no one wants to have to do that. Imagine we just told that whole generation, Hey, just need a wear at SBF every day, top up every ninety minutes when you're out in the sun, and you won't need any of that when you're older. Quick, right, take thirty seconds to put on sunscreen. So how am I going to get a whole generation to change the habits? Yes,
we can make it. Lilac And Lilac wasn't big back then when I started, by the way, So we really did a lot of research into the trends of what will be cool for millennials in two years time, and Lilac popping up, and you know how Lilac is now, right, So I mean, kudos to my trend expert, who really was like my work experience person. Oh my gosh, who was the only millennial who I knew, who was the only twenty two year old I knew at the time,
So kudos to her. And she did some research and she she came up with that, and then I sort of chose the sort of the holographic to make it just really fun and sparkly. And now my daughter who's five, things all sunscreens are purple, and she draws a little purple sunscreens at school. Yeah, it's really sweet. She loves
sunscreen now. So everything I sort of made sure that she would love to put on us put on her shelf, you know, because I just feel like if it's going to be attractive and people enjoy having it around, which like everyone does, they love having it on their shelves, then they're going to use it well hopefully. So products
I love. So the myst was the first hero product, and the amount of iterations that we've done to make it super super light but not too light so that it doesn't hit the spots, but so that it doesn't go in your mouth or your eyes. We've reiterated the formula multiple times that it's not greasy, so it's a little bit matifying, and then it's just unspraying. Now by the way, everyone your eyes straight away. It doesn't even get in your eyes, like it's just we've perfected the
delivery system I call it. Never been done before anywhere like that in the world. All the other myths they sort of get into your eyes or like make little blobs on your face. But this is so even that it just you can see my face is a bit glowy but not greasy, so it's not taking off my makeup that I'm wearing.
It is amazing. It blows me.
I don't know if you've seen the video, but like when I made a video of it, and my face is.
Just like.
What like zooming in, like what is happening? Blew me away?
Thank you? I love that. So then we thought, okay, but and when I say we, it's like me and my husband, who's actually in finance and nothing to do with naked Sundays. But it was only us at the beginning. So we're thinking, Okay, how do we get millennials to so the mysters for topping up when you're out and about, But how do you get them to wear their sunscreen
every single day aside from being lilac? And so we decided to put collagen into the sunscreen, thinking maybe that will encourage them, And then I thought, but it's got to be vegan, So what about vegan collagen? And then again people told me that couldn't be done such thing, and I found it and it's a bunch of plants that mimic when you use actual collagen on your skin, but it's smaller molecules so it actually absorbs. So we did studies on it and have found that it increased
hydration and moisture and all that good stuff. So put vegan collagen in, did a chemical sunscreen, and then did a mineral because a lot of people very surprising to me. I don't know about skincare, but most people have sensit of skin. Who would have thought anyways, So the mineral. Now, I don't know if you know anything about mineral sunscreen. I didn't, but I always knew that it was white and very thick, and so we put a special blend of iron oxides in it to eradicate the white cast.
I don't know if you've used the mineral, but it's become a cult. Sold out in Meccan twenty four hours three months worth of stock when we launched three months worth. Yeah, we were scrambling. We still scramble every day for enough of these guys. But basically, you put it on before your makeup or just with nothing else, and it's thick because it's mineral and it's fifty. So any mineral sunscreen use that's not thick, it's not fifty. They've used less
because it's it's actual zinc. So it's grounds up white powder anyway, so you put it on and it might look sick at first. And I created also what I'm super proud of is this little brush. I call it the SBFVFF brush. But anyway, you blend the mineral into your skin and it completely blurs any fine lines or wrinkles due to the iron oxide blend and gives you this absolutely flawless finish due to the additives in it. And you put your makeup over it and it just
gives you this beautiful glow. And I've tested it on cameras and lights and it doesn't give you any flashback or anything. And people are addicted to it because they just go out the house with just this and a bit of blush or lip gloss and that's it. And so it just gives you that finish. So the mineral and the mist are now our complete best sellers. And then we just launched I don't know if you have one, but it's the Clear Glow Radiant sun serum. So it's
the first one hundred percent clear SPF fifty sunscreen. There's been around, but they've been thirty or forty, but fifty and so it's just clear. So it's just a sealing sunscreen. Yeah, and it's got blue light protection in it. And I'm putting everything right now for those who are listening over my makeup, but you can just see it's not greasy, it's not oily. It dries down immediately, and that has become our new bestseller. And then I created the world's
first SPF fifty lip oil. So I love lip oils.
The lip oil is so beautiful.
I can never find a lip oil. Actually we've got a new new one coming out soon anyways. Yeah, so there's never been a lip oil with SB and that's hard. That was hard to create because you'll remember that, oh it taste good. It smells good because it's sunscreen and you're putting it on your lips and sunscreen at the best of time, cells and taste or smell good, right, but putting it on your lips, you have to make sure it smells and tastes good. So we're constantly iterating
that and bringing out new flavors. And then my brand new baby, which by the time you guys as a listening is going to be out.
O how excited. Honestly, it just is.
If you guys listening aren't absolutely obsessed with Nakad Sundays by now, I don't know what would ever excite you, Like this is so amazing. I just it's so interesting. How often Like there's another quote that I love, which is that people often miss opportunity because it comes disguised as hard work or something like that, Like most people
would see the barriers, how hard it has been. The reason why you're doing world first is because everyone else in the industry is like, that's too hard, it's impossible.
No, we're not going to do it.
But you have literally thought of everything you've thought of, Like who thinks about how something reflects on camera? No one thinks about that. But that's what millennials care about. Like, yes, the fact that the biggest barrier for millennials isn't that they don't care about some protection. It's just that there's no product that works with what they do in their life. That it's the stickiness. It's not the facts that they
are ignoring. It's that it's the act product Like the fact that you even have researched, that you've thought about literally everything. And I think that's the big disconnect with a lot of brands, is they're not literally looking at everything their target market says and does and cares about.
And fixing it. But you're doing that, and it's it's extraordinary.
I mean, I think I come from a place and I wish I didn't, But I think I come from a place not of what's going to sell. I never think that. I think what is missing and what as you exactly as you said, what would make people want to use it? And it annoys me. Sometimes they don't come from the place where what will sell? And I wish I did. But I think that's because I don't have a skincare background, and I don't have a sunscreen back. I don't even have a product background. I don't have
a business background. I don't know how I got here. It's just by chance, but it is. It's by chance. I come from a people background, and so I guess, as you say, I just think what do the people want? I listen to them, talk to them, and then try and create it. It's not easy.
I think coming from a people background is maybe the most valuable thing that you can do. Like you know, there is of course so many skills to be learned in studying business or you know, knowing from an earlier age that's what you want to do. But I think the skills that are most important is that it's being able to speak to people. It's you can learn all
the other stuff that's what's exciting about business. You can learn about supply chains and manufacturing and branding and products and packaging and you know, all that stuff, but talking to people about what they want that transfers to anything, which is obviously you're.
So good at that.
Thank you.
So what's what's the new thing coming out?
Oh?
Yes, sorry I interrupted you just getting excited.
So our newest product is called Golden Globe Body Sunscreen, and so just you know, how boring is it to just put on sunscreen on your body and you know, we always feel like it's just a bit white and a bit sticky. Oh and it comes with the brush too. It comes with the body brush. So I'll just use my face brush for now, but it comes with the most beautiful got it, No you worry, I've got the body brush. Okay. So it comes with this beautiful body brush.
And it's basically I don't really thought about how to mark and see that again, like I've even thought about how to market. I've just thought to myself, you know what people are missing in their lives. They're missing like a beautiful glowy sunscreen that could like make their skin glow and give it a bit of gold fifty plus. Yeah, So it's just like a little bit you can see on my skin for everyone listening, I'm just putting it on my deck litage. It's just a beautiful glow and
it just makes you look a little bit golden. And we're launching it in the middle of winter on purpose so that you get that beautiful golden glow. So you could be having lunch with your girlfriends, you could be out on the boat, you could be at the day at the races, and you're not putting on this white, sticky sunscreen. You're putting on a beautiful, glowy, shimmery body sunscreen.
It's got green tea extract in it, so it's sort of firming and swimming, so you can put it on your legs and you'll selly light and if you have any and you know it will be really good for your skin as well. And then I have been naughty and have been putting it on my face because in winter, you know when you'd like start to look a little bit pale. Yeah, yes, So I've been putting it on
my face for a bit of a golden glow. And now I'm thinking, oh my god, maybe I should have made it into a face sunscreen because it's just the most beautiful glow that's just a bit of a winter fun product. So golden glow body sunscreen.
Oh my gosh. I'm so excited.
Honestly, it is so cool listening to the way that you come up with new products by just looking at the gaps and figuring out what you want to use.
That is it's just so natural and organic and I.
Just I'm so excited, and I feel like this is why because I'm similar to you.
I'm a people person.
I love product and I love, you know, things that perform really well. But listening to you, I just want to like bathe myself, like literally like jump into a big pool of naked Sundays and just swiming it.
Like it's just it's.
So cool how thought out everything is, and also that it came out of nowhere, like you've had this entire career before, and people very much silo themselves. I think into categories and think that's it for me. But you know, eighteen months ago, well maybe not eighteen months, but eighteen months before you had the idea, you would have no idea that this was going to be your life.
None, absolutely none. And that's the beauty of it. And I feel like people need to really find the beauty for their lives and just think to yourself, there is something that I might be doing in eighteen months time
that I haven't even thought of yet. But it's like if I had the idea and I follow through and the pieces start to fall together and I just push and push, maybe my life will look completely different in eighteen months time, for the better and something you'd never even have imagined for yourself.
Absolutely. Oh my gosh.
Well, given that that has all happened and he's continuing to blow up, this is probably the wrong time to ask you the plata questions because I feel.
Like play and having an.
Activity that is outside of what you do and that's just a pure joy. It's a different equation in the early stages of a business because businesses are very demanding. They're like new children, and you do kind of make sacrifices in the those beginning, you know, first few years.
But is there.
Anything that you do to kind of pull your brain out of the business and to stop thinking about sunscreen and new products and what you're doing, even if that brings you joy, Because I feel like if you don't get some distance, it's very hard to stay fresh. It's hard to keep the joy in your business if you can't find joy somewhere else.
I have a five year old daughter who loves to draw and loves to play and loves to make cubby houses, and yeah, she definitely takes me out and out of the brain focus of the business and transports me into another world. And I really try to spend as much as time as I can with her. And whilst she loves and respects what I do and ask me if she can come to the office after school today, I really do try separate that as much as I can.
It's not easy, I will be honest, you know, I'd love to be spending more time with her, and so I do that. I did have a ritual before it was cold where I would just go for a walk on Bunday Beach every single day. Every day, I would just go to the beach and I would just hear the waves and I would listen to music. I love Taylor's with Amazing and Kanye. I don't know if that's controversial. I used to listen to all their new albums coming out and just listen and listen. And that really got
me out of it too. You know, I have a husband who I sometimes see, I mean every now and then occasionally, and you know, so I guess for me family exercise. I was going to say friends, and then I had some pause. My best friend lives in La so I just went to America to launch Shaked Sundays and then I spent three days with her and we just went shopping and had a drink on a rooftop bar and just did nothing. And that was so lovely.
But you know, when you have a toddler and a business, I guess you can only really split up your time between those two. There is nothing else. So I'm hoping to go back to some of my ya's, but right now there's not much yea. But this is yay I. You know, this is my dream to be on your podcast. I've been asking you to trial Naked Sundays for over a years, so you know, this is such joy to me.
And I don't know, it just never feels like work, and I feel like that is such a yay, right if your job doesn't feel like work, I don't feel I was in my office yesterday. My daughter was here too, but I was in the office yesterday and I didn't feel like I was working. I felt like I was just doing something I love. I know that that sounds cliche, but I honestly was in the office on a Sunday. It's a Monday now, so on a Sunday just because I wanted to. I wanted to be here.
I think that cliche is a cliche for a reason, though, And it is possible to find something to do that. I mean, not everyone has that, and not everyone needs their joy to be in their work. Sometimes their balance is different. But it is possible to do something that doesn't feel like you're working a day in your life because it is so much fun.
Yeah, and I've really you know, not everyone has to do that. You know, there were some days a Channel seven that were very some days as a news reporter that are extremely difficult, and not every day is fun and enjoyable. So not everyone has to have that. And there's people that go to work and come home and have the most amazing lives. I don't think everyone has to have that. But for me, there's a very big
blur between work and home and friends and everything. So like my friends work with me, if they want to see me, they work in the business. That's that's it, and that's how I'm built and so but yeah, not everyone. I feel like, you know, you don't have to love your job. It's just you know, you can go to work and then have amazing life and separate it. As long as you have time for you you know, and you know exactly what they are and you make sure that you're doing them every day.
That's fine too, right, absolutely, And I think that's yeah. The one thing I try and impress on everyone by showing different structures is for some people it's a very clear delineation and some people it is a big blurry mess, And it doesn't really matter as long as it feels good for you and you do feel some level.
Of excitement or joy in your.
Life, and who cares what it looks like for anyone else, it really doesn't matter. But I'm so so so honored to I've had you on and just I'm so like, I'm sorry it took me so long to kind of get around, Like I think that is one of the hardest things in beauty is getting people to try something when they're said in their ways, not because of anything else other than just we're lazy, right, Like we've got our things and it's just to open your brain to
something new. But the minute I heard about the actual philosophy behind naked Sundays and the different delivery methods, like I have never been able to reapply as often as I would like to, even knowing all the facts, even being a skin gearhound, I still am like.
It's going to wreck my entire face.
And you've changed my life, like absolutely changed my life. I'm about to go on my honeymoon for the like it's been three years, coming a very very sunny part of the world, and the mist is like there's no alternative, there's nothing else. It is already in my suitcase. It is an honor to know.
You use the body and the face interchangeably, Like the face does have more antioxidants and more vitamins, but you can use either. For either you can use so you can just take one if you want to take a smaller and then put in your body. A pro tip.
You are like literally a gift from God to all of us, to every person who has skin anywhere.
Basically, that's so kind.
I really appreciate it. Oh my gosh, have an amazing time. Thank you.
I'm so excited, and congratulations on everything. It really has been a privilege. I know that you don't do these very often, and I feel very, very honored to finish.
Though. I have to ask you, what is your favorite quote? If you have one?
Yeah, I do. I don't know if you're gonna like it.
Oh my god, I love every quote. I'm corny.
I found myself very amusing. Not really. My favorite quote is the time is now. I say that to my staff constantly, possibly every hour. I say that to them, I say that to me. I said that to my family, and it's big and small. So should we launch Naked Sundays. We're not ready or you don't have a website set up, and I say, the time is now. If we don't do it now, when are we going to do it?
And you know, so from the big big things to the little things like hey, I want to go to the US next week and do a quick launch and everyone's like, oh, you're not ready. I say, well, the time's now. So if I'm not going to go, now, when am I going to go? And I just booked the ticket and I went and it was a great
success because I made it happen. So if I just keep telling myself I'm sorry, like I don't believe in and then this might be to my detriment, let's sit and let's plan it out and let's make sure the ducts are in a row. The time is now, people.
Well, is that not the most motivating way to end? I love that The time really is now. If anyone is sitting on an idea, whether it's work or personal, like take that trip, do that thing, If the last couple of years has not given you that push, then surely Samantha right now is doing that. I don't think it ever is to your detriment because like, the ducks don't matter if you don't start, Like who cares where the ducks even are? Right, it doesn't matter if they're
in a row or not. Because if you don't start you'll never see them, so I think that's such a powerful message. You are so inspiring and motivating, and thank you so much for joining, thank you for having me, Like, how can you not go and buy everything from Naked Sundays right now? I loved this chat so much and you can hear how much I admire Samantha and struggle
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