[00:00:00] Zil: Enjoy life. It's a precious gift. Do the things that you love. One day your time will be over. Live a life by design rather than just live by default.
[00:00:10] Jill: Welcome back to Seeing Death Clearly. I'm your host, Jill McClennen, a death doula, and end-of-life coach. The conversations I have with my guest. May challenge you to think outside the box of what you believe to be true about death, dying grief, and learning to live life to the fullest.
[00:00:28] My guest this week is Zil Eiler. Zil shares with us a bit about her experience of watching her mother, caring for her grandmother at the end of life, some of what her faith tells her the afterlife will be like, how she got through her husband almost dying, and how she uses death awareness in her coaching business.
[00:00:46] Thank you for joining us. Welcome, Zil. I'm so happy to have you. I've been looking forward to this conversation since we connected on Instagram.
[00:00:54] Zil: Yes. Thank you so much for having me, and I was so excited when we connected and I saw your work because I don't think. Many people are talking about this subject, right?
[00:01:06] We talk a lot about life and what it is to be here, but what about after? Right? And everybody's going to go through that. So I was just so delighted to meet you and to see your work. So it's a pleasure to be here today.
[00:01:20] Jill: Wonderful. Thank you so much. Can you tell us a little bit first about your background, where you come from originally, if you wanna share how old you are, or anything that is maybe important for our listeners to get to know who you are?
[00:01:34] Zil: Yes, for sure. So I was born in São Paulo, Brazil, one of the biggest cities in the world, and I grew up in São Paulo and I came to the US in my mid-twenties, you know, got married and had raised my family here. Have three kids. So I'm a mother of three kids, two teenagers, believe it or not, and they're doing okay.
[00:01:56] So far, so good. And one preteen. I live in California now and uh, you know, I come from a very strong family being Latino. I think Latinas, we have that, you know, family bonds. My grandma lived with us until she passed. So as a child, I remember my mom caring for her after a stroke. And I remember the day she passed and it was, you know, it was very on right under our eyes, how life was happening and how, how things were happening.
[00:02:30] But yes, that's a little bit about me, Brazilian and live in Southern California. I work as a mindset coach. I help coaches and entrepreneurs to grow their businesses. And, uh, yeah, it's just, you know, raising a family and growing my business here.
[00:02:47] Jill: That's great. Thank you for sharing all of that, and it really kind of leads me to exactly where I wanted to go.
[00:02:54] Which is to ask about when you were growing up, how your family dealt with death and dying, and sometimes that's very tied to your religion. Sometimes it's very tied to culture, and you're right, I've met a lot of people that come from Puerto Rico or Brazil, or Argentina. They deal with death very differently than they do here in the United States, and I think it's a healthier way to deal with death because you're able to see it in a way that makes it.
[00:03:23] Not so scary. And it allows you to kind of go through the process with your loved ones. So can you tell me a little bit more about when you were growing up, and how you lived with your grandmother, were there any other experiences that you think really shaped your beliefs about death and dying?
[00:03:41] Zil: Yes. I think spirituality for sure.
[00:03:43] So I grew up Catholic. I was Catholic up to a point. Then I became a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. So all through. My childhood and you know, teenage years through my life truly, I always had that spiritual belief that death is not it. That there is something more after death.
[00:04:05] That life is a time for us to be here and to enjoy, you know, whatever it is, and to grow. But for me, My mom took care of my grandma until she passed, so my mom took her in and I was probably seven or eight, and it was just beautiful, to tell the truth, and I have the strongest memories of my mom blending food from my grandma in the blender, spoonfeeding her, giving her her meds, taking her to appointments, and it wasn't heavy.
[00:04:37] I never had a sense of my grandma being a burden to my mom. I always had a sense of, oh my gosh, she loves her mom, and how special that lady was. And I remember she had her own bed, like we had a small house, but my grandma was comfortable there. And I remember my grandma went for an appointment and never came back.
[00:04:58] And that was a very sad day. I was trying to make things, I was trying to make sense of things, but you know, I don't know. It wasn't heavy in a sense. It was sad, but it wasn't heavy. Like we knew we were gonna see Grandma again and we just had the belief that death is not the end. So, yes, I think overall for me it's been, you know, the natural course of life.
[00:05:29] Jill: I like the way that you're wording it. It was sad, but it wasn't heavy. And that's a lot of what I'm trying to do with the work that I do, normalize death so that it's still sad. It's always gonna be sad when somebody that you love dies, but it doesn't have to be so heavy. It doesn't have to feel like a burden.
[00:05:50] It doesn't have to feel so traumatic as it tends to feel to a lot of people. Because we're not prepared for it at all, and we've avoided it up until the moment that we have to face it. And then we get overwhelmed and we get confused and we get scared and all these things start coming up. And if we could look at it differently in our country, we do tend to view old people as burdens.
[00:06:15] Not just old people. I mean anybody that's sick where, you know, just put 'em in the home. Like, let's just get 'em out of sight so that we don't have to. I don't know, deal with it. We don't have to take care of them. Mm-hmm. But I know when I cared for my grandmother at the end of her life, it was a beautiful experience for the two of us to have that together.
[00:06:37] And my love for her, and her love for me made it so that yes, it was difficult at times. Yes, it was really sad. And when she died, of course, I was sad. I still miss her. Mm-hmm. But I wouldn't trade that experience. I wouldn't have, even if I could go back, I wouldn't say, oh, I wish I would've just put her somewhere else so that I didn't have to deal with it.
[00:06:59] Because it's just such a beautiful time that you get to spend with a human that you love. Yeah, and I want more people to understand that. It's possible to face the end of life this way, and it doesn't have to be scary. So I really love the way that you worded that, that it was sad but not heavy. Yeah.
[00:07:22] And so you grew up Catholic and you said now you're part of the church of Latter Day Saints. Yeah. Or that you did that when you were younger as well, Uhhuh?
[00:07:30] Zil: Yes. I did a transition and actually for many years I would go to both the Catholic Church and the Latter Day Saints Church. Oh. Because my parents, my dad was Catholic for the longest time and my mom was not.
[00:07:44] I went to both churches, so I got a lot of religion and you know, Yes, I probably can quote a lot of verses from the Bible for you, just by default.
[00:07:58] Jill: Did the two different religions view death differently? Because I was raised Catholic, so I have a little bit of a background in that. Um, but you know, again, even just for the listeners that maybe aren't Catholic, mm-hmm.
[00:08:11] How did the two different religions view death, dying, and the afterlife?
[00:08:16] Zil: Yeah, so speaking for, you know, my current religion, the Church of Christ of latter descent, we view death as part of a whole, right? We believe that we existed before we came to the Earth as spiritual beings, and then we actually elected to come here.
[00:08:36] So we believe that we wanted to have this experience on earth that we came to, to Earth, to get a body, to gain a body, to go through the trials and hardships and happiness that we go through here. And then we believe that after that we have a chance to be reunited with our families. So the marriages that we perform are not until that death do us part, but it's for time and for all eternity.
[00:09:02] So you might have seen Mormon. We don't use the word Mormon anymore, but you, you might have seen temples. So sacred marries are performed in the temple. We don't get married in the church because, we go to the temple to make the higher covenant to where we are married, and we know we are going to be together after death.
[00:09:27] Jill: Oh, that's really beautiful. I didn't know that.
[00:09:29] Zil: Yeah, so we don't use until that was part of our covenants. In our ceremonies, we save for time, meaning for this life, for time, and for all eternity. We believe that things will be lasting beyond Earth or life on Earth now,
[00:09:48] Jill: all eternity. Does that mean that there's a different place that the soul goes to after it ends t’s time in this body? Or can the soul come back to another body at another point if they want to?
[00:10:03] Zil: Yeah, thats a great question. That's a great question. So life continues on in another sphere. So it's not coming back to earth and say, you know, rebirthing as Maria, I was Zil, then I came, I came back as Maria.
[00:10:19] No, I'm Zil. I have been Zil since the very beginning. My spirit was already Zil before it got a body that you see me, you know today that you can identify myself as but Zil is the one being who has an eternal journey. So after I die, I'll go to a place called Paradise, where it's a place of rest and it's like a waiting room.
[00:10:45] And we stay there. We stay there. Not only, you know, enjoying the time, but we work, we share. Our beliefs about the gospel of Jesus Christ. We're Christians, so we are in the waiting room, helping each other still grow spiritually, and then when judgment day happens, Christ comes and judges us. From that point on, you are assigned to another room.
[00:11:11] Then when you're judged, you're assigned to another room and there are three rooms that you can go after the judgment and you are assigned to that room based on. Your works on the earth and also the grace of Christ.
[00:11:24] Jill: Then you just spend the rest of eternity, however long that may be in that second space essentially?
[00:11:32] Zil: Yes, absolutely. Yes. And there is a lot of growth there. So if you, if you're assigned to the highest level, You are going to continue to have children and families and you can create worlds. And so the goal is to be able to go to the highest level, um, you know, to the highest room per se, so you can continue progressing as an eternal being.
[00:11:57] Jill: Oh, that's really interesting. Yeah. I did not, I did not know that. Yeah. So thank you for sharing that with us. Sure. Yes. Does that belief help you feel more comfortable with the idea of death then? Because you know, for me, I don't honestly know what I believe is gonna happen to you, what we'll say at this point is Jill, right.
[00:12:20] The soul, the part of me. I really don't know what I believe. I like to talk to everybody about their beliefs cuz I think it just helps me think about it. Mm-hmm. So there are definitely times when sometimes my brain gets a little anxious that I don't know what's gonna happen after this. There's part of me that hopes, honestly, that this is it, that like the light goes out and I don't know any different.
[00:12:46] There's the other part of me that hopes that maybe there is something after this, that my husband and I and my children will be reunited again. Mm-hmm. I don't know whether having a really definite belief in what was coming next would help me lose that last little bit of deaf anxiety. I'm not sure. It sounds like you are really a believer, so does that really help you when you think about the end of life?
[00:13:12] Zil: Yes, absolutely. So again, to our earlier point, it's still sad, but the knowledge that I'll be reunited with my husband and my children, that gives me a lot of peace. So for sure. And in my mind, I've gone to the place where I'm a widow or where I've lost a child. Sometimes we go there. And actually let me share a story with you because during Covid, so we were good for the longest time, we were not catching anything.
[00:13:43] We were, you know, safe until we were not. So my husband got Covid and so did my two daughters, and then my son, and then I did, but all of us, but my husband had mild cases of Covid. We resolved it at home and we didn't need to be hospitalized, but my husband did. So he wasn't doing well, he was just getting worse and worse and worse.
[00:14:08] So he was taken in and then what we hear is that, yes, things are not looking good. And I remember that night, one of the nights where I was laying on my bed and then I, I had this crisis of anxiety cuz I was thinking about his death. Thinking about his dad, I'm like, what if he never comes back? Right?
[00:14:31] Then I have to raise the children on my own. So your brain goes into all of the things that you have to do, and at that moment, first of all, I was able to deal with my anxiety through the tools that I teach my clients, my coaching clients. So first of all, that was a big help, but the piece that was the most comforting piece was.
[00:14:51] It's okay. He'll be fine. Like if, if you know, if this is it, if he doesn't come back, it's all good. It's all good. He's going to be in a great place. We are going to see each other again. And my thought was, Christ has got me here. He's gonna help me keep going and raise the children, and he's gonna help me keep doing life.
[00:15:16] And he's also taking care of my husband as well. So through him. Everything is balanced and it is okay. So I was able to calm myself in the middle of the night, get to a point where I was thinking, it is okay. It is fine. Right? So I could get up in the morning and help my family. Help my children because you know, dad was in the hospital.
[00:15:37] They didn't know. So I had that moment where it was very real. Was very real with nobody knew. Right? You sent somebody to the hospital. Do you know if they're coming back? Sincerely, you didn't. And at that point, what everybody was saying is, oh, don't send them to the hospital. Once they go, they don't come back.
[00:15:58] There was a lot of it, so for me it was very real and I got myself to a place where I was at peace and I was fine with whatever would happen.
[00:16:08] Jill: That's a really amazing story. Thank you for sharing that, and I'm so happy to hear that your husband came home. Is he doing well now?
[00:16:16] Zil: He did. He came home. He's doing well and good.
[00:16:19] Yes, it was. It was a beautiful experience after all. Yes.
[00:16:27] Jill: So what type of tools did you use to calm yourself and kind of get to that place where you were at peace?
[00:16:32] Zil: Yes. So the first thing about anxiety is that if you run from it, or if you try to push it away, it gets stronger. If you want to give anxiety more power.
[00:16:44] Try to try to kick it out of your chest or your throat or whatever it is, and it gets that much bigger and stronger. So the first step is always to allow it. So imagine that you're laying in bed and it's three in the morning. This is very common, Jill. Very, very common that people wake up around three, that that seems to be the time that a lot of people wake up.
[00:17:07] Three o'clock, 3:00 AM. And they feel like their chest going to explode with anxiety and they get scared and they fear that and they, and that just gets bigger, bigger, bigger. They don't sleep. They can’t calm themselves and put themselves back to sleep. So you're laying down and you sincerely tell anxiety, okay, you're here and I'm open for you to stay.
[00:17:36] Okay. So that's the first thing. You are invited to stay. The moment you're invited to stay. It might be a little scary if you haven't done this before, but I promise you this works okay. They say, okay, anxiety's here. It is a vibration in a part of my body, so you have to find where it is. For me. It's usually in the chest, so I would say anxiety is here.
[00:18:01] So first of all, I'm naming it. First thing, you have to name what it is. Anxiety's here, and then name where it is in your body and it's in my chest. Okay, so right now you've identified what it is for your brain. You are no longer in so much danger because you're starting to identify what it is, right? The brain doesn't think that it has to defend you because it's a little confused.
[00:18:26] Well, she knows what's going on, so then you breathe into it. Breathe into it. And what I like to tell my clients is to use the five-by-five rule. So think about your five senses and you start from five down to one, for example. So let's start with the eyes. So think about the five senses. Let's start with vision.
[00:18:48] So five things that I can see now. Breathe as your name, the five things that you can see now I see the ceiling. You breathe, right? Bring the sense of peace into your body. I see the wall. I see whatever you see. Name five things that you see as you breathe, as you calm yourself down. Four things that you can hear, three things that you can smell, two things that you can taste.
[00:19:13] And then the last one is thought touch. So touch your forearms as you're telling yourself, I'm safe, I'm okay. So that helps you calm that anxiety down. Make peace with it, and in the end, your body's way more calm, and usually you're able to put yourself right back to sleep.
[00:19:34] Jill: That's such a beautiful practice.
[00:19:36] I've done something similar to what you first started talking about when I work with people around grief. Mm. Because grief, we can feel it in our bodies, uhhuh, and oftentimes we don't want to face our grief, we just want it to go away. But if you can feel where it is in your body, I'm like you, where I feel like my anxiety and my stress and my grief, it's like centered.
[00:20:03] In like my lower chest, I, it's like almost like my belly, but it's like kind of part of my lungs. I'll just get this feeling in there that's just really uncomfortable and I just want it to go away. But the more I try to push it away, the more it wants to stick around and let me know that it's here to stay.
[00:20:24] And so when I work with people around grief, I'll have them find that place. You know, maybe it's their shoulders, maybe it's their neck, maybe it is in their stomach, or you know, their hips. And then move that part of the body. Rotate a little bit or like move your shoulders or just roll your head around.
[00:20:43] But find that spot and move it to flow the energy out. Where oftentimes what we do is tense. So it's like it contracts in that area and then it makes everything worse. And I love counting down with the five senses. It's a really great way to bring yourself back to the present moment. Anxiety is so much about living in the future.
[00:21:09] What's gonna happen in the future? Where if we could just stay in this moment. And it doesn't mean don't plan for the future, doesn't mean don't think about what's coming in the future, but I've found that my work around death and dying has allowed me to live in this present moment in a way that I was never able to do with any other practice that I've tried.
[00:21:34] And when I feel myself getting anxious about something, I try to just remind myself that something might never occur. I might die tomorrow. So what I have is right now, it's right here. It's this conversation that we're having. After I get off this call, I'm gonna go hang out with my family. So the thing I'm worried about tomorrow, it really might not occur.
[00:21:57] And so if I could try to always remind myself that this moment is the only moment I have promised that. It allows me to calm my anxiety, but now I'm gonna try that counting down Next time I get that overwhelm of like that, it's almost like just that whole feeling and the mind and everything just goes crazy in your body.
[00:22:20] I'm gonna try to do the five senses and see what I can find in my room and in my body to calm myself.
[00:22:27] Zil: Yes, it's very effective.
[00:22:28] Jill: The experience with your husband being sick, did that change? Because I think it's one thing to think about it as a hypothetical, but experiencing it the way that you did, where it was like, no, like it could have gone either way.
[00:22:47] Mm-hmm. Did that change the way that you viewed anything around death or dying, or were you just kind of able to just stick with your beliefs all along? How did that work out for you?
[00:23:01] Zil: Yeah, that's a great question. Thinking back, I don't think anything changed. I think it just strengthened my beliefs and the beauty of the gospel of Jesus Christ that there is hope that, you know, that is not the end.
[00:23:16] So if anything is strengthened what I already believe, Because in the moment that I, I was all alone, right? You couldn't even see each other. So it was truly me and the children at home. I didn't even have anybody to come and give me a hug type of thing, right? Because we searched for comfort. We are social creatures, right?
[00:23:36] So anyways, at that moment was very real. And then thinking about what I already believed was the comfort that I needed. So if anything is strengthened, My beliefs around death and the gratitude that I have for the gospel, for the plan that God has for us.
[00:23:59] Jill: How were you able to have a conversation with your children?
[00:24:03] Were you, I don't wanna say honest, cuz that's not really the right word, but were you upfront about the. The reality of what your husband was facing. I'm always interested in how people talk to their children about these things. So how did that conversation go?
[00:24:18] Zil: Yeah, so I kept it on the low, very much so with children, we are truly dealing with the subconscious, their subconscious mind, sometimes their subconscious mind picks up on something that can later show up as trauma. So I'm very, very careful about what I share with my children, how we talk about things, and they have the belief that we all have the same belief. So they knew if anything happened to Daddy, we would be reunited someday. But I, I don't recall sitting down with them and saying, that is so bad he could not come back.
[00:24:59] Right. I'll give them updates as I got the updates. And I was trying to make this home into a place where we're just hanging out and just trying to keep things as light as possible with the intention of not making this into a traumatic time for my children. Because as we know, this shows up down the road, right?
[00:25:25] And then they're not safe around things and it's trauma. That was inflicted at a time that. Happened. So I was very careful around it, around talking to the children about it. But with that said, one of my children, the middle one, she wasn't doing well. She was experiencing anxiety herself, and, uh, she was very worried about her friends dying that for that child, because she was already at that place where she was crying and very worried about her friend.
[00:25:59] With her, the conversation was different because she was already at a place where we had to have a more open conversation. So with her, we went to the scriptures a lot, and I talked to her a lot about either way, if they live if they die, they're gonna be fine. So we had that conversation. Not just, it wasn't a one-off conversation.
[00:26:22] She needed many conversations about life and death, and we talked extensively. We opened the Bible, the Book of Mormon. We went into it what God said. So with her, I spent a lot of time talking about it and very openly because she was at a place where she needed a more open conversation and probably a deeper conversation around it.
[00:26:45] Jill: Has your family had to go through the death of a loved one?
[00:26:50] Zil: My children. Not that they remember my father-in-law passed away, but they were so little, and then we had a close friend, this older lady who we used to visit and she passed away, so that was hard, on my children. They felt that, but we haven't had anybody so close to us past yet, but it's coming. People are getting older.
[00:27:16] Jill: I mean, that's great that you haven't had to experience it yet, but you're right, it's going to happen to all of us at some point that somebody close to us is going to die. We can't stop that from happening. Mm-hmm. And I'm kind of in the same place where so far my children haven't had to experience the death of anybody close to us.
[00:27:38] You know, both my parents are still alive. Both of my husband's parents are still alive. Mm-hmm. My son was only six months old when my grandmother died, so he of course doesn't remember anything from that experience. We dogs sit and so we have had a couple dogs that we've watched have died. What's hard on people?
[00:28:00] It was definitely really hard on the children, but even for my husband and I when some of our favorite dogs have died, when we have to break the news to the children, it is really sad. We try to have an open, honest conversation about it and. Honor the sadness. Mm-hmm. And really help them to understand that yes, it's okay to feel really sad.
[00:28:22] Well, like one of our dogs was king fluffy, so like it's okay to feel really sad that King Fluffy died and we're gonna really Ms. King Fluffy. And then we talked about some of our favorite memories from when King Fluffy would stay with us. And now I have found that since we've been able to have those conversations with the children, even just around dogs, and of course with the work that I do, they know what I do.
[00:28:45] And so we do talk a little bit about death and dying, probably more than I'd say the average parents do. Mm-hmm. But we are very lucky that we haven't had to go through the death of somebody really close to us with our children. And I hope that they will be prepared for when the day comes. Mm-hmm. But we don't know.
[00:29:06] We don't know until we face it until we get to that moment. Mm-hmm.
[00:29:10] Zil: So true. Yeah. True. Yes. It's, yeah.
[00:29:14] Jill: Is there any other stuff that you want to finish up with? Any other thoughts you have about death or dying? Anything you wanna tell us about the work that you do?
[00:29:23] Zil: Yeah, so when I found a profile on Instagram, I was like, wow, like called my attention because it's a very unique work that you do.
[00:29:35] Right. We see a lot of business coaches, but your work was very unique and part of the work that I do is to tell people, and I've done this many times, right, think about the last day of your life. So I've approached my clients from this angle to tell them, you know what? Someday you are going to die.
[00:29:58] It's inevitable. All of us are. And what would you want to have done in your life? Because I help coaches and entrepreneurs build their businesses, sometimes they're in a lot of fear to take the next step, or they're not so sure, or they lack confidence in going for their mission and embracing their goals.
[00:30:22] When I see that, I truly like to put things in perspective and tell them, one day you're going to die. When that day comes and you look back, well, it makes sense for you that you had lived a life, you know, playing so small or that you didn't do the thing because you were worried about people judging you or that you didn't live your mission because of whatever.
[00:30:53] So I like putting that sometimes in perspective when I coach my clients. Because I want them to see the big picture and to see that yes, everybody here on Earth has a mission, right? Jill, you are living your mission. So am I. And all of us, we have missions. We were born for a purpose. We're not accidents, right?
[00:31:16] We are here for a purpose, part of a whole, and we can all help each other and make this into a beautiful planet for us to live. And it spread goodness. A lot of coaches, they have beautiful missions. They help people better their marriages, or they help people make more money to live better lives, or they help people with their anxiety and they have so much to share, but sometimes they hide their talents and they hide behind their fear or their self-judgment.
[00:31:49] And my invitation to all of them is, let's just check the next step. Bring God with you. Ask God to guide you, and follow your intuition, because someday you are going to die. There is going to be the last day for you here on Earth, right? You're gonna continue on, but as far as this life goes, you're going to come to the last day.
[00:32:13] And what legacy do you want to leave behind? What story do you want, you know, people to tell about you? How many lives do you want to have touched by that day? And I find that inspires people when they can put things in perspective and it lowers the pressure into, I have to do this perfectly, or, you know, I'm gonna mess up, or I won't be successful because there is a time-aligned and assigned for us here.
[00:32:42] And when the time is over, it's over. So yes, that's where I would like to leave us, to go out there and live your purpose. Go out there and love people. Go out there and forgive. Go out there and share, right? Take care of yourself as well. Go out there and do the things that you love and enjoy life.
[00:33:00] It's a precious gift. One day your time will be over, and it's okay too, but I would rather see you live alive by design than just, you know, live by default.
[00:33:13] Jill:That's a perfect ending. There is just one thing I wanted to say as I was listening to that, one of the biggest regrets of the dying is not living their life.
[00:33:23] People get to their deathbed and they really do say, I wish I wouldn't have let fear stop me from doing the things that I want to do. So this isn't just a mind exercise, this is real. People should look at that. Nail and do the things that they want to do while they have the time to do it. Because you don't wanna get to your deathbed and hopefully for a lot of us, it's gonna be a long way from now.
[00:33:48] We have a lot of years potentially to really accomplish so much. We don't wanna die thinking, wow, I was afraid of what people were gonna say about me online, so I didn't show up. And I'm still working on that. I'm still struggling with that a little bit myself. But every day I'm trying to get better at being like, as long as I'm not harming people, I'm not harming myself, I'm not doing something that would make me feel like I'm being unethical.
[00:34:17] Mm-hmm. If somebody doesn't like what I'm saying. That's not my problem. Mm-hmm. Because I know that I need to share my truth and just do it. Just do it. Don't stop. Don't be afraid.
[00:34:31] Zil: Yes, absolutely. And then I think in closing, something came to my mind. It's, uh, scripture in the Old Testament, in Ecclesiastes chapter three that says to everything there is a season.
[00:34:44] So it says to everything, there is a season and a time to every purpose under heaven. A time to be born, a time to die, a time to plant, a time to pluck up that which is planted. A time to heal, a time to eat, a time to laugh, a time to be born, and a time to dance. And it goes on and on and on. So I love this because there is a time for everything in life and for you, Jill, you know, just continue to put your work out there.
[00:35:15] And that's your time, right? That's your time now. And you're not gonna have the regret of not sharing this when your time comes.
[00:35:23] Jill: I hope I won't have any regrets. I'm trying. I'm trying to live my life that way. Yeah. Well, thank you so much so for coming on. This has really been beautiful. It was a great conversation.
[00:35:34] I really appreciate you taking your time. And we'll put the link to your Instagram and all that and the show notes so people can find you if they want to.
[00:35:43] Zil: Yes, absolutely was my pleasure, and keep shining.
[00:35:47] Jill: Thank you for listening to this week's episode of Seeing Death. Clearly. My guest next week is Stephen Jenkinson.
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