Welcome to Sears beers, knowers, and doers , a podcast about intuition. Do you know what that is? Intuition to me, is that inner sense for knowing that something is true and yet I have no proof. I there's so many definitions and there's so many ways it can come. I'm looking to bring together and share with you some amazing guests. You have some amazing life stories and also some insights into how intuition can come. And I'm looking to gather those crows in the trees. I hope you're one of them .
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Today. I'm super excited to bring you Jill hander shot Roth, and she is, if you can imagine somebody who works in the equine business, cuz my podcast listeners know I love horses. So thank you so much, Jill, for joining me today.
So thrilled to be here
And I would love if you could share a little bit more about yourself with everybody, for me please.
Super. So I have many, many blessings to share. I have been with my same husband. First 30 years, we live on a doable little six acre hobby farm in Oregon. We have two fabulous daughters, both of which are outta college and having their own journeys now and on our hobby farm. We're so blessed because we have some horses that live with us and I have been amazed how much they've taught me how much they've opened. My heart has really, really been a learning journey for my business.
I have a company called bridles and breadth that I started six years ago. And through that I teach what I call the fundamentals of horsemanship and equestrian Tai Chi . The magic, the bliss of that for me, is helping humans and horses come together really uniting by helping them understand what the, the ones trying to say, whether it's just like basic safety, basic body language, or I have some students who are actually working, you know, through both just thought and energy. So
Nice thought and energy. Yes I have that. That is a topic to, that goes wide. So, so you basic cover everything from the physical, through the energetic scale. That's awesome.
So interesting because every horse learns differently and every human learns differently. So none of my, you know, none of the duos, none of the Dyas are the same, every day is different. Every lesson is different because they're always learning something new for them.
Mm right. So do people come with their own horses to your location? Or are you using your horses to work with people?
So my son is actually helping them with their own horse, but I actually go to them. Okay. So rather than having them come to my place, cuz you know, then the horse is worried about the location and those kind of things. And you end up spending a lot of the , the lesson on just getting them acclimated versus being able to actually move the ball forward because they're in their home base and they're ready to go.
Nice. When did you start and getting involved in the chai Chi?
Well, you know, it's really fun because I've been in the martial arts for over 20 years and I've always done, what's called external martial arts. So basically kicking and punching and I thought it would be really cool to do Tai Chi . And so I looked it up and I was like, wow, someone's actually doing this. This is amazing. And so I took her class, my gosh, I guess it's probably five years ago now. Wonderful class through Jenny PI , um , equestrian tachi.com and it was fascinating.
She would have us do these challenges where you would feel the energy come up on one side of your body and then go back down the other. Or like I was riding my horse Willow and I could feel her back feet going through my Dante end . Your Donen is your center of energy down by your belly button?
Yes.
So cool. You can literally feel that connection. Super, super cool.
Nice. I'm gonna just pause here. I'm really sorry. But I have a very, no,
No, you're
All great energetically aware cat who is expressing herself. Aww yes. Yes. She just, I just told her to please stop in my head and she did. Um , but she, sometimes she sometimes expresses herself in a way that isn't necessarily ideal when I'm on a podcast cuz it makes noise. So it's like, okay, she didn't get the memo tonight. I'm doing a podcast. Alrighty . Anyways. Perfect.
So yeah, the Tai Chi I've actually just intuitively done a little bit of Tai Chi with one of the horses at the barn I volunteer at. He is I guess one of the most sensitive horses at the barn in terms of as soon as somebody arrives on the property, it's his head that raises first. So his bubble to me is like really large.
I mean, horses are energetically aware anyways, but he was not one who would allow many into his bubble cuz of a probably stress in the past besides his trainer who owns the burn . And so I started engaging with him just doing Tai Chi outside of his stall when the wind was blowing or something was stressing him out and just seeing the releases by respecting his face and doing the Tai Chi moves just the , the flying hands. That's all I that's all I do.
And it's, it's just so cool to see that affect the horse and, and calm him down. It's just so lovely. It's I don't know. I've never thought to do it on top of the horse, which is what I witnessed you both at on the course doing it . I'm like, that makes a perfect sense. Of course, of course, on a horse. That makes perfect sense. Yeah. It's it is a neat way to connect with a horse and still respect their space and give them some soothing energy that isn't necessarily your energy.
Like it's, it's a really cool process that I don't think is on a ton of people's radar screens. So when you said yes, I'm like, oh this is gonna get on more people's radar screens. This is awesome.
Yes , indeed. Indeed. It's funny you say that about him being calm. I had a student when I was still lived down in Arizona and um , we were doing a lesson and she was up on his, her horses back and she had a very, very high energy slighty, Arabian horse. Mm . And so she was, and she was also kind of a nervous writer and so they were just, you know, Jing and jagging and whatnot . So it was so funny cuz we went through just, you know, all the moves and we just worked through it.
And literally by, at the end of the class, her horse's head was like two feet off the ground.
Yeah.
Just drooped with the , with the rains down on his neck, it was just awesome. She's like, oh my gosh, you broke my horse,
Dear.
No , this is when your horse looks calm.
This is what it looks like. Calm. Yeah. Oh wow. How beautiful. And would've been so helpful for the lady too, right? Like
Absolutely
Lovely.
Yeah . Cause they feel what we feel and when you're stressed, they're stressed and yeah, it was , it was actually lovely.
Oh yeah. Well I even used it tonight going into the barn with that same horse cuz he was, he's usually the first one outta the paddock and he was the last one out of at , and it wasn't going well, I wasn't enjoying that process of like, excuse me. Why am I alone
Here
When there's other horses and other paddocks, but the routine was off and uh , I'm like, okay buddy, we're just gonna do a few of these and you're gonna have muscle memory remembering this just chills you out. And he was great. It worked out just fine. Like you don't even have to do it for long in order to shift things, which is so fantastic. Wow.
So lovely. And isn't that true? Because as humans, you know, we have a tendency to then play it over and over in our head. That's right . I was out in the pasture by myself. I was out in the past . They don't do that. Right. They're like, oh we reset. Okay. We're good. Yeah. So it's so lovely that , that you helped him release like that. That's cool.
Well, part of it's for my own safety, cuz I've only been doing this for two and a half years, so I'm like, okay, you cannot be crazy while I take you in the barn. So I use whatever technique I can to make sure. Absolutely. We're all safe. Yeah.
You're brilliant for that. Wow . Absolutely.
I guess that's intuition. I'm like what can I pull out of my toolbox to make this better? So
Exactly.
Have you always worked in horses?
No, I was , was actually very late to the horse thing. I didn't start in horses till I was 28 and I'm 56 now. So now it was pretty recent.
Okay. And what did you do before horses?
Oh, let's see. Well actually I taught TaeKwonDo for several years. Okay. And I sold vitamins for several years and I worked for enterprise we're in the car for several years and I was a stay at home mom for several years.
Oh wow. Okay. Well, and so it's interesting. Sometimes we don't always see how all of our jobs, we use all the skill sets from all of our jobs. It's just called something else when we do something else. Do you notice that too ? It's so true. Yeah,
Absolutely. Well, you know, it's funny too because my, my degree was psychology and I never, ever, ever wanted to be a psychologist, but I just thought it was fascinating. And actually I lose , I use that a considerable amount, you know, just knowing that it's not always just black and white. It's not always just, you know, can you hold the rains this way? Can you push here? It's it's what do you have inside of you from before? That's gonna be difficult for you now. So yeah.
You , you use it all for sure.
Nice. Yeah. Very true. Seeing these parallels of things it's fun even right down to, you know, living on the west coast. It's like, okay.
Right.
That's so cool.
I do love living on the west coast. I really do, but it's sustainable and supportive and yeah. It's really fantastic.
Yeah. And so I don't know. It just has a really nice vibration, I think , um, like Oregon's Oregon will , Washington are kind of the quieter Western states, right? Like it's like a oh
Yes.
Unknown treasure that we've just told everybody about .
Well and well, yeah. Yeah . Thanks for that. Sorry.
Yeah.
No, no , truly. It's it's it's so true. I mean it's absolutely beautiful here. Everyone, pictures, it being rainy all the time. Which of course we don't sell that because we don't want everyone, their dog to live here, but it's, it is, it's so natural there there's so many trees and there's a big ancient, huge trees, you know? Um , and then you have the ocean so close, so yeah. There's just so many lovely energies here.
Absolutely. So when you started your business, you had in corporate rated the Tai Chi or was it starting out with helping people with their horses? Like what was your first
Gig? You're you're exactly right. Cause it was very, very good intuition there. Yes. I started first with just helping people with their horses. Um, I had been following a certain program that made a lot of sense to me. And so I was just able to kind of see things that other people couldn't, you know, maybe the horse was saying something that was so subtle that I could see it. So it kind of started that way. And then, Hmm , maybe three years into it. Well maybe not much, maybe two years into it.
I was like, oh, I'd really like to do the Tai Chi . And I didn't at the time really realize it was gonna be part of my business. It was more just, I thought it would be really cool. But um, I do find for the same thing you were talking about with your horse last night, you know, we , I, I use it a great deal when I have a student or their horse. That's super nervous. Just gives you that other tool to help them calm down and reconnect and reenter.
Yeah. And it's something to even to digest the space that you're working in. Sometimes like you sound like you're very energetically aware. So going to other people's locations, I imagine you're, you're arriving and you're going, Hmm . Okay. We're gonna support this energy here too. Maybe. I don't know. Does that happen in your world?
It does. It's I'm , I'm sure you've probably sense this as well. You'll go to one place and you're just like, oh , it just feels abrasive against your skin uninviting and then you'll go to another barn and you're just like, that is just so lovely. And you can see it in the horses. They're , they're quieter in their stalls. They're quieter in the pastures. It's it's , it's very tangible. You can, you can feel it pretty pretty easily.
Yeah. Yeah . And it's, again, one of those things that, and probably your training in TaeKwonDo helps you in terms of C the details and being aware of the energy , um , imprints around you, I would suggest cuz people don't there , people either understand or migrate to the martial arts or they just know that they exist and don't understand them whatsoever. So that's, that's kind of the, that's kinda the awareness I have, but I don't know that that's necessarily true, but just, but
I , I think you're spot on. Mm yeah. Cause you'll find some people and they're just like, wow, TaeKwonDo really that's so cool. And then you'll have other people that just know interest. Like you can hear the crickets chirping, you know, and you're right. Because when I first started with Taek know , my husband had already been doing it for, oh my heavens probably eight or nine years.
So oftentimes when you're trying to get promoted to the next belt level, which is , um , how you get to the next rank, you'll have to break wood a certain way. Right. You have to do it with your hand at one level and you have to do it with your foot at one level. And he would always be able to watch the people and know why they couldn't break. They would . And I was just like, how do you know that it all, I mean , to me, it just looks like they're thumping against wood. Right, right.
But now that's exact exactly what it teaches you. You know, when I'm watching my students with their horses and their horse is not doing what they , what they want and they feel like they're being super clear. I'm like, well , yeah, can you see how your energy's actually going backwards? You feel like you're sending it forwards, but you're not. So yeah. You're , you're spot on. It helps you a great deal.
Wonderful. So we may be inspiring horse people to get connected with their inner warrior, their inner martial first . Oh ,
Wouldn't that be fabulous? Yes . That would be amazing. I love that . Yeah . I would love that. I think there's this martial art for everyone, whether it's, you know , the internal martial arts like Tai Chi or, you know, grappling on the ground, there's, there's a match for everybody.
Well, and I've never heard them describe , I mean, I've studied a bit of Chinese medicine and acupuncture through my, like through being a naturopath and I've studied Tai Chi and Chi gone and I've never heard them being called internal or external. So can you get into that a little bit?
Yeah. So super cool stuff. And um , I'm sure there'll be people out there who will disagree with me completely. But my understanding is that the more or external martial arts like TaeKwonDo karate Aiki well , maybe not a keto are very much about sending energy out and being aggressive to the outside. Right. Right. Whereas like Tai Chi and equestrian Tai Chi are, they are technically a martial art .
Like you can use them applicably and defend yourself, but it's really more about understanding where the energy's going internally. How is it moving inside your body? Are you storing it in your Dante ends , which is the little space right below your belly button or just inside your belly button, are you moving things out? Like when we do the form , there's actually four different types of energy that we use. And one of 'em is a rising energy.
One is an , uh , energy that you would be setting out from your body. Um, one is an energy that you're bringing that back in and that's very much of kind like the signature of my style is that energy where you're bringing it back in. It's like, yes, you do expend energy, but you always bring it back into you. You always recer it in yourself. So it's pretty, pretty cool stuff. It's , it's amazing when you can actually feel it moving.
And it's amazing when you're riding your horse and they can feel it moving it's, it's just a cool, cool feeling.
Well, and what I always try and expand the horse podcast to the outside world, because to me, when you're doing IM martial art, you have to be extremely present. And that gathering of energy. I did this when I first started learning to ride, I was not, I didn't feel grounded being off the, off the ground. First of all, I, I felt like I was learning to ride a living being who was an 18 Wheeler truck.
So when I first learned to drive a standard, I was like, okay, there's, there's like so many little steps that you have to put into place. And then, you know, make them all work in a symphony. And it's like, oh, okay. And it was about six months in, of riding or being on top of a horse that I'm like, okay, I can drive this truck by changing the energy in my den , in my belly. I can drive this truck by doing that.
And if I put my energy in my belly and wanted to move faster, then the command, the, the request, the direction was received very quickly and, and very efficiently and off we went, it was just like, oh, look at that. The math worked. And I mean, I, I got all this energy. Like I ha I work in energy regularly, but because there was that 18 Wheeler learning to drive an 18 Wheeler with all these different bells and whistles, it's almost like the logic side of things was taking over.
And I wasn't allowing the energetic side of me to express itself. And really horses are like kids, right. Or like other beings. Right . If we don't allow our logic side to play into things so much, and we allow our energetic side to, to, to rise to the occasion, I think we can, we can get to the outcomes. We want much faster and more efficiently. Am I out in left field? There? Is it just me that sees that? No,
I, I think you're spot on and I would agree with you on the efficiency and effectively, I would also suggest it's so much more pleasant. Right? Cause you're not focused, you know , heels down, shoulders, back, chest up. That just makes you , um, or I shouldn't say it makes you, I find that it makes me very stiff and very rigid and separate from my horse. Whereas I want to flow with my horse. Right. And I think, I think you're spot on with the logic.
And I also find with my students that are fearful, right. So if you're , if you have any sort of fear, cuz you are on this giant animal that has its own mind, right. So then you have your, your monkey mind going, cuz you're like, oh , what if I fell off? You know, I don't bounce. Like I used to. And that can also separate you from the horse. So yes, balancing through your Dante and sharing that energy it's it's gives you security too
Well. And I would say like, you'd know, in a grocery store, if you're around a parent who is present and who isn't present and no criticism of parents who aren't present at all, but it it's like the kids just respond differently. And so that same grounded presence in their Denon, you know, they might be multitasking and their kids are still responding differently, you know, and same with teachers or educators or, you know, same when you're dealing with managing a corporate team.
Like there's so many ways that this, this martial art presence and, and managing your own energy can infiltrate and affect your environment. So we're talking horses here, but having managed people before in my corporate life, there's so many ways I wish I had known the martial arts before when I was managing people. Cuz it's incredible that it can do for managing yourself and a chaotic environment. And by managing yourself, you're, you're actually managing the chaotic environment.
I would totally agree with you. And I would add on that, not only when you're centered, do you do a better job of presenting yourself and presenting your idea and convincing the powers of being your company, what you wanna do do , but also then you can start sensing people around you when, when there's strife, right? Mm . So if someone , um, is, is discord with your idea, you can feel that. And then you're like, okay, let me ask some qualifying questions. What can I do to, to bring you back in?
Because I, I feel resistance, what I, what I call brace with horses, but it's a , the same thing with humans, right? When you can sense that it just opens that door for better communication.
Beautiful. Wow. This is awesome. So I'm gonna shift gears a little bit, Jill and ask, how does intuition come to you?
So great question cuz I have to imagine it's different for everybody. Mm . For me, it's one of two ways. It's either instant knowing life . Um , like when you sent the email and said, Hey, do you wanna do a podcast? My whole body was like, yes, that sounds awesome. I still wanna do that. So it's just instant knowing. Um , or like I was just saying in my body. So for example, I had the student, she was , um , I was asking her to add a little more pressure to her horse now.
And the way I teach pressure is so minimal. Like first we offer the idea with thought and then we offer the idea with, with energy and then maybe like a little signal from our fingers. And then in this case she would've had to have swung a rope at her horse. And so I explained it to her and she wasn't doing it. And so I was like, oh wow. You know, clearly I'm not being very, very good at this . Lemme try again.
And so I explained the entire thing again and she still would not swing the rope at her horse. And so fortunately for me, all of a sudden it could feel my shoulders. You know, how many it's really, really cold and your shoulders end up in your ears cuz you're bracing against that wind. Right? Yes. I could feel that happening. And I'm like, okay, it's not cold here. And I'm not feeling defensive. This must be her. Right. So I was like, okay, clarifying questions.
Well, we actually end up breaking into tears because she had been this victim of bullying in high school. And to her, she felt like she would, if she swung the rope, it would be bullying her horse. Oh . But she also didn't feel like she could tell me that. Right. So I was so lucky because my body's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, here's your problem. And we were able to find out a brand new way to get there.
You know, we were able to figure out something that worked for both of them, but my body, fortunately for me told me what the problem was because she couldn't articulate it.
Right. Wow. That's huge.
Yeah. It was great. Really, very grateful.
Do you also get those sensations sometimes from the horse?
Um, not as much as I'd like.
Okay .
No worries. I wish I could get that all the time, but I did get one the other day, which was really fascinating. So one of my , um , probably my most advanced students and I, we were playing with her horse and we were asking her to spin in a 360 degree, turn on her own at Liberty. Wow. And we'd had all the , all the tools were in place, like all the logic and the communication, the language was there, but the horse just wasn't doing it.
And so I'm looking at it and I'm looking at it and I'm like, wait a second. There's tension in her neck. I could feel like, like if you were , um, you didn't wanna look at something. Right. You knew it was there, but you were afraid to look over. It was that kind of feel right. That stiffness, that tension, that inner conflict. And so I was like, Hey, step back, five feet. And, and it didn't change. I'm like, okay, step back, 10 feet.
And all of a sudden her horse just starts doing these beautiful 360 degree , turn 360 turns, flowing body just raved me . I mean, they were just stunning. So it wasn't so much that I felt it my body, but I could see it in hers. I was like, okay , what ? What's holding you back. I'm like, oh, we're in your bubble. We're we're literally keeping you from moving. So that was cool.
Right. Cool. So just even doing the math with the observation and, and watching the pennies drop or connecting dots. See , so like, it sounds like you've been somebody who says yes to life. Like it sounds like you're a say yes to life person and as well. Is that true?
I'm really trying. I actually read Ron Shine's book say of the year of yes. And I was so inspired. I made that my word of the year last year.
Ah , well it's shining. It's shining through, I guess I I'm continuing your year of yes. Yes. You do podcast
Exactly.
Through your second year. Oh cool. I always love it when a book is suggested and it gives so, so in your year of yes. Cause cuz that book, if I know correctly and correct me if I'm wrong, it's it's opportunity arises. Say yes. Is that correct? Yes ,
Exactly.
So were there exactly ever situations in that year of yes. Where your intuition was? No.
Hmm . Not that I can think of. And that would be a toughie, right. Because yeah . You really wanna listen to your gut, but you made this mental connection. So yeah, that , fortunately for me, that didn't happen, but I could imagine that'd be quite the conundrum.
Well, and maybe it's just, maybe it would never have happened because your energy is in the, in that attracting good things to me because you're affirming life. Like, like it's just a curious, scientific question in my head, you know, I'm like, okay, let's
Right ,
Right . Let's see what
Right .
No , what the cause cuz then you get into, you know, that whole energy of attraction or like matches, like, and if you're in the yes opportunity place, then you're just gonna be attracting. So I I'd be curious if anybody who read that book ever got something that their intuition said no to. Cause it's, it is a curious place cuz then you're playing that fear, mind and doubt mind versus the intuitive yes. Mind . Right. So in your year ,
Right ,
Right. What was your most fabulous? Yes.
Oh gosh. I don't know if I can think of one off the top of my head. Oh dear. I don't think there's anything like big ones. I think it was more of like when, well I was invited to do the art of the horseman and of course my initial response was, well , I don't really have enough original content to do that. Right. But I was like, okay. But look at it and see if it's possible and then I'd love doing it. It was absolutely fantastic.
So it was, I may not have been quite as good as Shonda Rhimes where she just said yes right away. But it certainly to your point opened up that energy. And then I was like, okay, well let me see if it's possible. Right. Let me see if there's something that I could offer.
Well, and what was interesting is you scored very big points with people. You referenced like very big points. So even in saying yes and recognizing that you're, you're going to pull information and highlight other, other knowledge bases and other people, the integrity of what you did Sean through. And you actually brought yourself into the limelight with even people that you were referring to.
So it's funny how that's love it saying yes can put you in play that are uncomfortable slightly, but it actually can bring you rewards that you don't even anticipate or you may never have known, but I was able to give you some feedback about that because somebody, I knew you referenced and, and she was just like, wow, that's how it should be done. Wow . You know? Cause it's , it's not always done that way. So yeah. How cool is that?
There's so many ways that putting something new on people's radar screens and hopefully people will say yes to investigating some martial arts because I can't even tell you how beneficial it is for mental health for regulating the nervous system. Like, I mean, I don't even , I'm not even a trained professional in it, but I just know for myself and what I've witnessed in others, it's fantastic to add it into the routine. So thank you so
Much . Well, you know, it's great. You say that because I think definitely your spot on it's so good for your health. It's so good for your immune system and all that. And it's an amazing way to communicate with your horses. But honestly, it's so empowering. I I'm feeling very called personally to help women feel more empowered. And I think it can do whether you're doing an internal martial art or an external martial art , it can really, really bring that out for you. It's it's powerful.
Well, and I think the world can all use that and any age can use that. Like, and you don't have to be involved with horses to be needing some empowerment these days. It's
Well , absolutely not.
I hadn't even thought of that as a benefit, but
I hope you're right. I hope we inspire some people because it is, it's certainly a lovely, added magic to almost anything, whether it's with horses or just by yourself. It's it's fabulous.
Yeah. Wow . That'll be our goal. We've just set the intention.
I like it. It's out there.
Perfect. Jill. Well, thank you so much for today. And uh, I look forward to sharing you with the world and I think there's possibly another podcast in here.
Well thank you so much. And I would come back anytime . This was a ton of fun. I definitely look forward to chatting again.
Great. All right . Thank you. Have a great day.
Thanks . Thank you. You too.
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