REWIND: They Were Rats

the trade at some stuff. But the two women, you know, they are on the fringes of course, you know, we aren't working out stuff. But one of them wide up of the police, and so the police went in ned and said, right, fucking get rid of it. So it was the other bloke who got did it, got rid of it and took it to the National Park. And the other one was Sally Anne. It sounds like they're going would roll you if you on the wrong side of them, would you know? But I never ever saw that side

of him. See that's the difference. Like people say to me, well, how could you run with him? For some I said, because I never seen him do it. You know, if you know, it's easy to walk around and say, oh he's a fucking Dog's a dog. You know what I mean. Yeah, he did some pretty shit actions, you know, and even to me, got running away on me, setting me up for like when Michael Brewery was shot the copper, you know,

they set me up, They tried to trap me. So Flannery was running with the scent and this Lorry Prendergast was on the fringes. So they used to both work together as a double so if they'd kill someone, the other one would be covering his ass or or they'd

both go in and kill him, you know. And Lory Prendegas already killed a few blocks in Melbourne with machine guns in the bathroom for their own house in front of the fucking kids, you know what I mean, and beat the chargers, and the wife never wanted to get up and say anything because he was smart, you know, she so so they beat all the murders there. Then they came up to Sydney, and because Flannery was working

with George Freeman as his bodyguard. And then the next minute we heard a room and ned come to me. And he always did it, He always thrown me in the fucking circle with him, right, and he came up and he said meet me, So I went down to Waner's bay. I met him early hours in the morning. He said that Chris Flannery has just told people in Sydney he wants to kill you and me. I went fucking me to and I said, fucking amazing. I was to get fucking boarding, and I knew him, you know,

I already knew Flannery. And so I go down and I said, we'll just go straight to his house. I know where he is. Just fucking walk down there, knock on the dormal, fucking give it to him. So when we get to Sydney, he drives up into Pitt Street where his girlfriend lived in fucking red Fern Alexander there and fucking I said, what are we going to coming here for? They always like the fucking shop in front of him, the chielders that I go. I'm not going

to talk about anything. He said. Now I'm going to call Roger. What are you going to call it? Call him master? We fucking do it anyway. He goes in full was Roger. So Roger puts on a meat with him. I said, oh, fuck, we did. So, you know, instead of just getting rid of the problem, would have saved a lot of people, a lot of problems. He now didn't do that. Next minute, we meet in the Fosters Hotel in town, and he said, Next minute, Chris walks in. He said, I like Gray here here on Blue Murder.

They showing more than any games I've seen your bodyguard. I was sped the bodyguard, you know. I said, fuck, we did so anyway, just walk in today Ago. I said, believe you're going to fucking kill us. He said, what are you talking me? I said, you suppose we're going to kill me? And he said, I've known you for a fucking work. He said, that's all. Ship. They walked out her, next one him, Minetta chattering, and Roger's in the middle of I'm trying to fucking get it all sorted.

Next fucking minute they became the best of fucking pals, you know. And then next they're talking to each other about yeah, emy year fucking killed. I went, oh, listen to this fucking bullshit is so I just walked out. The fucking girl just walked out. And where do you go next day? I said, just not putting out of that bullshit. I don't even want him in the fucking team.

Don't put him in the team. He's a backstep. You know, he's a toad cuttery or fucking put one in the back of your head, you know, that's what he was. That was his reputation. So next minute I went to the meeting when they were going to shoot fucking Michael Drewy, and I said, what the fuck is one to get

involved in shooting the copper for? He said, because my mate paid me the fucking money to fucking get rid of me, and me and Roger were going to fucking get rid of him, and that's sucking all there is about it. And I went, well, what are you going to fucking do in the what are you going to fucking down? He said, I'm just listening, that's all fucking listening. Roger wasn't there that day, but Flannery's saying it right, so you know that'll be speculation. So Roger, you're sweet anyway.

And I said, well, what are you going to do? And he said, well, I'm you know, I'm just fucking listening to all this. And I said, well, all this is going to do is bring everything down. It's going to build the fucking house of cards that we built are going to come fucking dumble, fucking simple as that he said, well, I'm just loading. I said, well, leave my fucking out of it. I walked out. Well that was the I put a fucking nail straight in my

own fucking coffin that day. Because they went, well, when they shot drewry right, he didn't fucking die, right, So next minute they went, fuck, we need escape gap now. Now. Roger Rogerson even made a tape of DVD called Roger Rogerson's Part One Part Too. If anyone gets it, you just got to listen to a little part in it, which twigged me straight away right that he was involved. He sent Detective Van Anderson around who's dead? Now? He Doughter cant around at Flannery's house, and why would you

send him there? Right? And he said to talk about the murders in the in the underworld, right, that would happened at the time the game war was right, so and the shooting of Michael Brewery. Right, So he goes around there, why did they want Michael Drury dead because he was given evidence against the bloke in prison against Williams who came from Melbourne who didn't want to go

back to jail. Right, he only would have got to be a fucking two years like top odds, and all of a sudden he got himself into all the drama. But he was the only one who ended up beyond to Jarlie did four years. Everyone else speak the chargers because of the corruption. It was just so fucking thick. So as I said, I said, well, this is fucking the good and the nil, and the coffin went in on me, right, so he don't he don't die. So

they're looking for that scapegame. So Rogerson, even as I say on that tape, he even said, sent Detective Anderson around of the house to sort out the Ganglian fucking murders. Right, Well, why would you do that unless he was a fucking complete rat or they're going to try and set someone up. So I had someone that was there that day and

they heard the conversation. They were outside, but they listened through the door, and as soon as they got out of there, they come and say, mate, and they said, you're going to be the scapegoat, right for Ganglion murders, for whatever murders have been happening. You're the bunny, And I went fuck, So I thought I'd better fucking get me a hat on air so I started just snooping around. Now I wasn't really I'd already part myself away from him,

you know. I got away from there and I started to just organize and get another gang together, my own gang that I run for about eight or nine years. Right, So I went the next minute there was a Marvis Hagler was fighting Marvin Hagler was going to fight Sugar Ray Leave. So I was going to go down and watch this fight at the Belmont sixteen footers, which was up my way at the time, up around Lake Macquarie. And Ned was living up there too, And anyway, he rings me out of the blue, and he said, do

you want to catch up with me today? Light Dave had taught you. I said, what the fuck would I want to talk to you, you know? And he said, I said, too much water under bride mate. So and who rings me back? He said, Graham. I really knew to have a fucking talk here. He said, it's very important. I went. So I said, well, listen, I lost five thousand dollars to you on Roberto Duran when he fought Thomas Hearns hardly got knocked out in the first round. So I said, bring fire grend with you and I said,

I'm on Landard and you're back the other boat. I talked to you after the fight, right, So I didn't say fucking boodore on the fight. We watched the fight. Then after we just went down and sat down the thing, and then he reeled off this story. You were right, mate, I fucking shouldn't listen to you all that sort of ship. Well, in the fucking end, I fucking got raped in there and usually hit me. Your fucking antennas are up everywhere,

and I know you know. And even though I felt a bit sniffy about it, I fucking sort of still did it because the plane was going to be that in the end, plannery was going, everyone was going to go, and I thought to myself, here and you'll be fucking going with them, right because I knew all the stuff they'd been doing. Right, So next minute he louse me and he said, look, they've just tried to kill George Freeman.

And he said, so they've gone into hiding. He said, so what we're going to do, He said, you'll we will go and leave them on Saturday. He said, we'll give them a couple of guns. We'll give them a gun and some money or someone like that, and and he said, and just let them go and then we waste time. I'll need some more money. But this time I'll say no, I'll just meet you wherever he is the stone and we'll go down. We'll finish him off. I said, all right, fucking down, all right, uh go

down there. Everything goes into action. We're out in the front of the fucking pub, the Lord Wolvesley of the Alderman, and we'll get at the door, hop in the car and I said, come on, opened up the door, and he said, you wouldn't believe it. He said, Rogers just called me right And I went, yeah, what about it? And he said, well, can you just drop the fucking gun out? I said, what about the money? He said, I don't give nothing. I thought, that's been fucking weird.

I said, yeah, I'll drop that fucking off that again. If I get you know, I'm not going to get picked for it or my fight that I drive off the next minute. My money been gone about three minutes. Going up through the city. I'm going to go into William Street and the cross to the to a hotel right at the top where the Coca Cola sign is, so as I'm I'm going along, I thought, what's this

fucking penalvan doing? This? Panel? Van kept on coming out, and I seeing the curtains moon like an ild Sandman serving wagon, thought are these coppers or they fucking crooks or what? So anyway, I pulled up in Williams Street, come around up Parts and James down around the back of the church down there, come to the New Zealand Hotel and went left into william Street. As I come to the first set of lights, they pull up just

a little bit back from me. So I put down the window of the electric winner of the jag and I went, what are you fucking looking right to the driver right, and he just went I thought, well, I called him a dog, and I was open if he was a grimmy fucking bird, you get fuck you know, thought, well, I know who they are, and yes I would. And I was already armed anyway, I had my own gun. I carried it right, and the cops neared that right,

So here I am with this other gun. Well, this is the gun that shot Michael Brewery, right, this is the gun that Chotty. But I gave through the fucking life. Well, for some reason. I just fucking pulled the gun out of the bag and opened up the fucking their bullets, and I went, it's a fucking strange So anyway, I got up the raid and I'm still watching this panel. Then pulled into the left off william Street. Went to the pub. But there's a big bay window in that pub.

I forget the name, but now he used to get up there. That's where a song with Ricky Mayn. I got up there in the big last window there, and I'm watching them. Then you went up the top of Williams Street, turned right, then right again with the old fire station. Wasn't parked on the left, so in goes the panel down. Then I pulled the detective's car beside it A detected get in and I'm trying to look

over to see. I thought it's at Anderson. I wasn't one hundred hundred percent, you know, because I was a bit away from him. He got out me fucking up, you know, and I thought the cops. I thought, well, what's fucking going on here? I thought, And I started to think, and I went, I just sort of come to me right, and I went, I been fucking set up here. What's fucking going on. Then I thought about the gun, right, I went, Or who they worry about that when they've got that one there, which is my

own gun. I'm going to get into that anyway. And he gets six months before I do. Go to joke, you know, So I went anyway, So I went, fuck it. I'm not going to drive out of the cross and through the cross and down through Rushgater's Bay. I'll go into the fucking lines then where I always go, you know, I want. I always go into the fucking where it is, so I said, because I never know otherwise. So I drove up the top, turn right right again. Panel Van a Cople goes out in front of Panel Land comes

beyond me. Same way. I passed the cathedral into some James in the market street. Come through the lights. Next fuck a minute. As I come through the copper sitting on the left hand side of the well, the city's dead, sad day afternoon. All the shops are shut, you know, the man in those days, and they just shut at midday. So it's quite as a mount. So it's about that pass thround the afternoon and he's got his wheel turned right out like that, ready to come straight out and

block me. So I just mounted the other side of the fucking street and threw it in reverse, went fucking flying back past the panel fan right into fucking Castle Race Street. Well, I just missed two buses. They went, well, I'm right in the fucking guts of them all. I got out of the car and they come out of the back of the panel van. They've got ballots on. Well I fucking went there. Fucking crooks, jared, I sound fucking off, I thought, fuck. Next minute, the copper takes off.

I just seen hear him. Gal thought, well, is he going to come and try and get me? So I opened the car and I just want we'll fuck it on. Facing the opposite way up the one way street. People two nat me and buses and so I just went fucking straight up and went down the lord Nelsone got down there and hid the guns. I got down there and I went, fuck, what fucking happened here? You know that sounds scratching me fucking trying to think. I went,

fucking I'm going back there. So I just went back and I said I'll be able to pick him like that. You know, when I went back with part of the car and I walked around the corner. I still got the fucking gun. Then I got my gun and I walked out. Well, he's fucking Jordan, right, and he went, uh, what's wrong? What's wrong? Man? You can tell? I said, I either just try to get kidnapped or something. All the fucking coppers were trying to fucking pinch me. But

I don't think so that was a fucking setup. He's your fucking gun. I'd already wiped it, right, he was in the paper fucking bag. I fucking passed to him. Here it is, fucking see you later. I'm fucking out of here. There's something fucking not right here. So I drove off and he was fucking didn't say, fucking dude, got around the corner, I drove off. I went down the street and I hopped down and I stayed in the same street, just a little one way street from that, right,

and I just sat in this tenement house. And next fucking half an hour, huh, here they come our pools, Roger, our pools. Another cover. Right, another couple pulls up three covers. He had come Penaguess Flannery. Thank god, I got just now us