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Seven year anniversary, Like one of the chances we're doing today are.

Actual seven years scrubbing in anniversary.

That's crazy.

It is kismet and it actually like makes me emotional that we have the two of you because obviously we've had Camilla. We love you like you are fan favorite, but we've been like feral over getting you Jessica Capshaw.

So this is like really just seven am be careful what you wish for.

This is like a seven year anniversary gift gift gift gifts.

Yeah, yeah, no seriously.

Well that makes me so happy. That makes me so happy, That makes my like my heart warm.

So we left off.

Teeser.

Oh yeah, yes, the teaser on If you haven't listened, go listen to part on this episode.

Don't call it what it is?

Yes, And.

The question I ended that part one with was have you kissed a woman since your Gray's Anatomy? Since as Arizona Robbins.

I love that that was a teaser question, and when you asked it, you looked straight into my soul.

So much.

I was like.

Me, think about its obvious. No, I have not, but I really had to think about it. The way she was looking at me, I know, I was like, does she know something I don't know? She does know, so so the answer is no, you little tease doing the teasers. I was. I love so much what you what you both just said. I feel so I feel like it's a gift to be in the space because seven years ago, certainly I didn't even know. I don't even know that I knew what a podcast was seven years ago.

I really really makes me feel better because we've been trying to get you for a minute.

I never I never knew people have been keeping us apart.

I know I did like to tread the line of like bandgirl, but we try to keep it professional.

I feel like it's like professional do.

A great the point, but I really did not know. But what I do know is that my first experience of you two was also doing something that I had not really done, which was doing a live event with the Grays cast in Los Angeles, and I found the event a little bit overwhelming because it was sort of in my mind, it was the tipping point of when Grays started getting watched in the rewatch world.

People were streaming, yeah, the streaming world, and so it it enumerated the exposure of the show and just how many were watching it and therefore walking around the world knowing who was in it, and it was live, and I had never witnessed in person the passion that people felt for the show.

So I'd had the like, oh, I likes Anatomy, or known that it did well, or like seen things on message boards or whatever it was, but I had never seen in person how the show made people feel. And so it was it was an insane event. But getting to the point, which was that we had the Q and A and we saw the people and the people were coming on the stage and everything else. But there was this moment where there were escalators. I remember there being near an escalator, this.

Carpet was that where it was.

I remember we were there with the whole cast, But I remember being closest to Jesse Williams at the time, and I remember just being like, like just I truly stayed very close to him because I was so intimidated by the whole experience because it was just so vibrant and like right there and such heightened emotions. And I remember seeing you too, with your bright and shiny faces and your enthusiasm, and you're just like and you were

Wow, that is that is nice.

We showed up in scrubs and everyone had their microphones and.

Their their lights, like their mic flags, like everybody we were with, like all the press, like cameras and stuff when we have our iPhones.

Mismatched blue scrubs were like, they're probably who are these girls, But y'all were so one, so kind to us.

Yeah, I felt like we were like I remember what I was wearing.

I remember your outfit, my favorite outfit of the day.

I remember that.

I'm actually really sad because remember Kevin McKidd was there, and we hated him at the time, like we don't want to talk to his character. Yeah, we didn't like his characters. We were like, we don't want to talk to Owen Hunt. But I'm sad because I feel like a misopportunity because you like.

You've got him on the show to I told him, told him, and I told him.

I was like, I have hated you for I don't remember how many years since he came.

On sind On Christina.

Since he cheated and when Teddy cheated on him, I was like, good for her, you deserve it. And then we had him on the podcast and he was so lovely and so nice that I was like, I love Owen Hunt now and he turned me into a lover and it felt weird, but I shift.

The shift character for like hearing like we hate you, and he's like, it's cool, I'm on the pot.

Like I love it was so game, he like did not he didn't take it personal at all.

I remember early Owen Hunt was also just always so intense. Yeah, and still it's like that.

I think Owen's just intense. He's more intense you in the musical episode.

How intense he was.

Going to be?

My can we know? As your question was, did But his part of it was like, you know, it was the one where he was like him and Kyler and they were operating.

It was like, oh, dont breathe, just breathe just actually look look.

What did he send the kids?

Yeah?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I love it, Kevin. But yeah, it was a lot. It was just like very It was like, yeah, he was like the Jets of the Sharks.

It was like, I just need to know what y'all did when you got the news that you were doing a musical episode.

I want to know this too.

I would never about three people who were thriving excited about it.

You were one of them.

No, No, there's so many things I can say.

Well, I have a little bit of a puppy dog energy in the sense that when someone like gets excited about something, I'm like, yeah, would we do you would do that?

Okay, that's okay. That's so I was a little puppy dog and I was like, were you in a musical episode? Of course we're doing a musical episode. That makes perfect sense, does it? I don't know, but yeah, for sure, we're going to do that. And so I was a little bit that energy. I just had a baby, so I was a little bit also hormonal, tired and hormonal energy.

It was impactful though, let me tell you it was impactful.

Thank you. And then I was like the chorus for how to Save Life? So you know, I mean I was.

Out.

I don't think you realized.

So Becka has been watching Grey's Anatomy since she was like in high school, like she's been she's been watching.

Like Live like to Grays.

I started watching when I was I don't know how, maybe ten years ago, and I binge like the first nine or ten seasons in like a matter of months.

And so I got to the musical episode and she was like.

Get ready, ready, ready for watch it.

And I was like, I love this episode.

I want to take an edible and watch I want to watch it with a like taking with the.

Higher consciousness.

Rand experiencing that because it felt like a fever dream, totally sober.

Well, you know, I'm gonna say something I've I've never said before. Do you remember Seene where CALLI and are driving and I.

Like falls on the orby the finger.

Yeah, the finger wiggle. We had a choreographer for that.

With the finger for the fingers, they didn't all literally had a choreographer on set to help me time out my finger going back and forth.

And I was so afraid of perform by the way, I was just lip syncing, but I I was I even singing or was it actually I don't even.

Singing.

I definitely think it was a lipsing situation.

My no joke choreographer for that finger.

Well, I loved it. I think the episode deserved more to be honest, more respect.

Okay, okay, someone sitting to a small minority.

I'm in the minority with this.

But I feel like I really loved Arizona Robbins, Like to me, she was she was me like I was, like if I were.

In a the lesbian thing.

Yeah, my lesbian thing, but I would be like skating around like that would like I loved your character like I loved.

Yeah, I'm still here. But you know it's so crazy and super nerdy?

Is that? So?

Did I? And I love that because that means I've done my job. Well, I am, but I'm really not.

Yeah, I think you guys are so actually real.

I always thought you were, but I'm realizing that you're sure.

You give me beca energy which is not Arizona.

Mine is the queer bar.

Yeah, interesting enough.

But you know, I I think that as the character came together, there were so many things that I mean, there's so many things that I do that I that that she does and behaviors that are are similar to me. But but no, we're very different.

Positivity is the same. You're extremely positive.

I am. I am. I really tried it. Yeah, I that it is. It's actually I don't. It's actually not effort. It's it's really mindset I had. I was telling people I have this. I had this wild epiphany there to day where I realize and it's where we really learn a lot from each other, I find because she represents a different perspective and I not only want it, I

I do not, but because most people just take it and they're like, I'm hurt, they don't. They don't even have the awareness to go, oh, they're hurting, so let me show them love.

That's a practice, It's it's just.

An automatic for me. It just happens, and I'm I do love that about me, and sometimes it's not right, you wish and I'm like, they're also any.

Are you a Scorpio? Oh no, you're a sagittarius.

Okay, Yeah, well I have a little scorpio, but I was raised.

By Okay, yeah, yeah, that's interesting. It's a similar dynamic.

Yeah, I was gonna ask because we talked about this on.

Scorpio.

You're a scorpio and what are you cancer? Okay? What's your rising though? Is that the one you're perceived as. I'm a libra.

I'm a Leo.

So that's why I'll get along because she's a leo.

She's a leo.

Yeah, wow, I'm leo.

Yeah.

Before we went on part one of this, go listen and call it what it is, we y'all asked how we met and then I said she wasn't super warm, and then you had a huge reaction.

To that I did, and we didn't get to hear the story about it. So I want to hear now and you can take your sides and let us know you.

I feel like I'm going to be with.

Interesting. Here's what happened, and then Jessica can tell her lies after. Okay. In I was my first year on the show. I was not even a series regular. I was recurring, and I didn't know that like food trucks, you know once in a while came on to set and were a gift from somebody, right, Like they were treating everybody.

To like a food truck. Right.

So this food truck was on set, came in and it was a Burger truck and on the little signage on it said like, thank you cast and crew from Shonda Rhymes. And I was like, oh my god, that's very cool and sweet and it's Shonda. Well, I need to like I'm appreciative, Like I'm gonna take a picture of this and I'm gonna tweet it out and be like, this is so awesome that Shanda did this, like thank you,

Hey, what's wrong with that?

Yeah? What is wrong with that?

Well? In the picture that she hook, there might have been a Jessica cap shot on her on her on her lunch break food break. Yeah, yea with a.

Heartily dressed burger. She was motivating a burger in the picture. I didn't know that, but she had like she was like shoving it down. She was deep throating a burger and I was not aware, and.

You know, you might have been eaten in one bite perhaps, And Jessica Stormed became the dragon that I am, and she was like inside dragon to me, and I was like, she's inflated. Honestly, every time she tells the story.

Story save for.

The screws.

Pointed and she literally roared like you have to ask permission? Are you host a picture? Don't you? What are you new here? Yeah? And from then on it was icy. I thought she was strategic a sabotage. Yeah, she thought it was sabotage. You guys, we call her burger Gate.

Burger sabotage Hersha and nannies.

Yeah, I saw that.

Mom here.

You know, well, you don't really have to be aside because look how it ended up. I think that there's a lot of reasons why. But it's actually for me because it makes me think of something I haven't thought of before. And you you touched on it in the other podcast, the one that's on our.

I don't call it what it is, which is you were wrong.

No, that's what I was gonna say. What I was gonna say is this, I think that I was very much living in you know whatever that was, which was probably ten years ago, fifteen years ago, was I was still learneder the impression that you had to be perfect right right, that anything that was out there of you needed to be perfect, perfect, or at least needed to be what you wanted to be like it had to be polished. Yeah, but I mean or if your if

Then you eat and someone takes a picture of it.

Well, by the way, no one could find the picture. It's probably never existed, or it got existed, and then it did.

It definitely existed after you yelled, she probably deleted it right away.

I didn't pointed yell.

It was maybe minutes I walked from the picture and within like ten minutes it was like it was like a tornado.

But here's how I'm telling you, what did I like?

What did you feel? Because your news still wanted to I remember turning to my interns, and you know what's really funny, this is kind of the dynamic on the show, right, being like, oh my god, she's so mad, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to say. And it was like very much like intern attending like you screwed, you know.

But that's probably a really good example of what I'm a call back to what something I just admitted that I do, which is like I was likely hurt.

Ye, then I had something to do and I.

Gave it to show because it was equal.

Rights for all, and so I think that I I definitely definitely think that that's what was happening.

And it was tough though, because we we it was. I knew that she thought that I was like not just like a typical like actress of like ha haha, I'm coming in and yeah.

Can down the house, you know. And in fairness, I had worked with a lot of people who were like, yeah, so I had like lived experience, right, it was a fair potential assessment.

Yeah, No, it's a different.

It was like such a different because I feel like twelve years ago when I started on the morning show and like the dynamic there was like not what it is now. It's it was not women helping women. It was the opposite. Yeah, women on for themselves.

You know.

So it's like I get where your headspace was because it just wasn't like it is now. Yeah.

Yeah, because I very much had experiences when it worked that were truly like sitting in the makeup chair having you know, your post lunch touch up and as you know, someone who'd been there for longer than you or higher up on the call sheet coming over and being like, yeah can you pause? You need to stand up and walk out. And because it's my turn, like I've.

Been, I mean, and I think that.

I try very hard to. I'm proud of myself for this. I adapt. Yeah, you know, I just I figured out I don't have a huge ego, so I don't have like I don't go there. I sort of go to what makes everybody? What what makes what's the price a piece?

Here?

Right?

Talking about herself as a recovering people pleaser. Yes, me too. Oh my god, you guys are so bad. Yeah, it's so hard to bring.

Do you feel like you're done with that? But I do feel like I'm much better. Like I think I have a lot more of Like I think of myself ten years ago and I think of how different that mentality was versus now when I think about things that I would like people please so much on. But it's pretty ingrained. Yeah, it's ingrained to me. Yeah, it takes effort to like not people please for me.

Yeah. Yeah, Well, I think there's also two aspects that I've heard you say that might contribute that I share as well. Mine's more Midwestern, but being from the Midwest and being a woman. Yeah, I mean, we talked about this with Julian Huff. It's there's a sort of collective there's a collective belief that girls are meant to be kind and be accommodating and make things okay. If, by the way, that actually is in your talent set right,

Wow, that impacts you. It's such an age where you're like so imparted to that.

Yeah.

Where was the shift after Burger Gate where y'all said I love you?

Yeah?

I want to be your best friend and do a podcast. We were we were slowly warming up a little bit towards the end of the season. I remember the episode where there's the storm and the lights go out and the tree comes in and Alex and Joe have like their first kiss and Arizona and Cali.

Wait, what when Arizona chief that cheeze?

Yes, that episode we had to work together. We were doing this with the baby, and I remember feeling like, oh, it's getting a little warmer. I was getting warmer vibes. And then it was the end of the season and there was a rat party and we had we were friends with so many people that we were friends with so many of the same people, and we invited everyone to a dinner before the rat party, and nobody showed up but us.

That's so sad that I think that the key part of that, as you were talking that were like, no, it was substantial.

It wasn't like we were being left.

It was actually it was actually genuinely because they will. But as you were telling that story, I just flashed on the fact that because we didn't spend a ton of time together, and probably because you were new and I was an I don't know is that when we finally had time to be together. I mean the gold, the magic, like the thing that you have like no other is how funny you are.

Well, we laugh and you guys do too. We laughed so much. You're so funny though, Like, I don't know if people realize how funny. They can't.

They don't.

They can't they well because.

They wouldn't know it from Joe Wilson. And I mean, like, you're not funny, but like you're funny and you're going one You're not serious, she's not funny, but Camilla is very funny.

Fun to her finding fun to her.

No, I mean they've they've written in more comedy over the years, but but no, that was like the actually, you know what the coolest thing about that dinner was because there was a part of me that was like, well, grew you for being like a little bit mean. But she at that dinner, she said, hey, I'm so sorry about that incident. I was feeling just really insecure at the time and I was having I just had the baby,

That's tough.

It's really hard.

And to say I was feeling insecure and like admit where you yeah, we're in the wrong, is like that not I would say, majority of people don't have the emotional best or maturity to do that.

No, they don't.

No. And then I love just and then it was just love it.

And then it was just like it was like.

Seasons after the season nine, this is twenty twelve.

Yeah, but then how was it for you? When Arizona Robbins left the cell?

That was just.

The meanest thing they've ever done. Honestly, it was happening nowhere.

It felt so like abrupt and I was like, what happened?

Yeah, what happened? So many things? So many things?

I did you know it was coming?

You know what.

We talk about this a lot because this is a story that has a day some day to be told. It's not today.

Champagne, bottom of Champagne.

It was a multi layered situation. Have you ever been asked that before? I think this might be the first time you've been asked that.

I've been asked that before, and I've never said what I feel, which is that there is a story and that I'm just not ready to talk about it.

Then.

And I will, but I'm just not there yet. So when other people have asked me before, I think I've just sort of bed and switched. And in the spirit of the things that we've been talking about, I think can take over and you can just sort of figure out how to say, you know, I mean, you can say you can pivot, pivot, yeah, and you and and and that and and and I stand by that that's that that was appropriate and and and so yeah, there's a time and a place, and there's probably on a podcast.

Yeah.

And I think, as with all stories, you know, and all experiences, the the one that I would relay is mine. Right, So there's a lot of different things that were going on. I think that you know, there were It's funny because there was so much speculation and people were so upset.

I was devastated, devastating devastated.

I will speak to that which is that was that was very very hard for me to be dealing with my own processing and the fans that there was a collective sadness or a feeling for those people that did that, that that that character was important.

You just wink at us twice and we can start some.

Somebody can start some petitions like you just give us the nod and we have a force behind us.

Let me tell you.

The scrubbers they are. They're ready to go.

They want us to People's Choice Awards, so they can do anything.

They can do anything.

I do actually that and I will say that you know what what I what I mean by how how I was affected by people's feelings is a true, true compliment to the way in which our fans express their excitement and their gratitude and their their connection and the

It's true, though you change. I mean, I literally this is like a.

I've talked about this, like when before I was with my girlfriend, before I even had thoughts because I was so like Christian that I never even thought of a woman. But I was obsessed with Callian Arizona. I would read fan fiction of Meredith and Derek and Callian Arizona, which it's not for someone who's just fully straight, is not for if you're reading cal Zona fan fiction Reassessed for listeners out there, there's a surprise.

Coming for you, coming, She's coming, But you did you change? Like that relationship game?

I mean it was like one of the first relationships that a lot of queer people saw that they were like.

We talked about that in life.

You know, I see I see myself and someone on on my TV on a network television show, which was so important.

And that I did not see coming from the beginning, And when it was revealed that Arizona was gay and like absolutely, unapologetically, steadfastly with full permanent and strength of heart and conviction and total like when we were talking about like which parts of her are me and which parts are not? I've never been as confident as Arizona is ever. And in the play there were oftentimes where I would say to the writers like is there like

No, yeah, no, And she was she was a feminine and Barbie, Yeah, she's like Barbie, Barbie, literally.

Do we have that?

We do? They should be in the.

Mark it out?

Mark it out?

Yeah.

But I mean I think that that was that was a sort of incredible thing that happened, and that was that was magic, like that was bigger than all of us and m hm. And I do think that it was very purposeful sort of having her come in the way that she did.

Camilla.

First of all, do you like you on link together on the show?

Camilla?

Joe?

God? This again you guys, I know you hate them together? Skylar? Yeah, isn't he here? Yeah, we're talking tomorrow.

But we heard you talk about how like you thought that was gonna be Joe's person, And I.

Was like, yes, well here's what happened. I knew that they were going to bring someone in for Joe and you know, recur, and I thought like, any we know this, any recurring on the show can stand the test of time and end up a permanent because you were both case and case in point case and point. So they're bringing a guy on, and I said, if you bring a guy on and he's anything like Alex corrupt, it's

Saying, first of all, I love him. He was on our podcast and we love him as a Yeah, this on his.

Actual Yeah, it's not quite.

It's not it's not quite.

About Link and Joe together.

It's just it's just's it.

It's not you feel like there's chemistry or no, I feel like you have chemistry. But it feels very friendly. It feels friend chemistry.

Frank Cam, you have.

Friend Yeah, not bed Cam, but y'all have.

Alex, I have Beg camon Allan are you wait hold on, I'm sorry because I'm not up to speed.

How deep are we in with Link? Are you married?

Oh?

Well, well she's at the end of the season last year with his baby. Okay, she hasn't told me. People pregnant all the time. It doesn't matter on the show. They're pretty they're pretty deep.

They're pretty deep. It's not for me.

Do you feel like they're in game?

It's not for me. You're not asking me.

No, no, this is not a spoiler. Last time I went in, they gave me a laundry list of reasons why it was not going to work. There was something he'd done early on our set, and you're like, you're they're real pregnant. I I think, yeah, I think yes. But what's hard for me too, is you have to remember that, like I work with Chris Karmic, I love Chris Carmack, is also that element of like when you adore the actor you're working with you yeah, yes.

But also, isn't it funny how sometimes you hear all these stories about how when when the actors get along really well, it's actually not as much chemistry as when the characters and then I don't get along.

That's like Rachel McAdams and Ryan and the Notebook, that's a hard one together and they ended.

Up dating, but they didn't like each other.

Each other, but they almost had to recast. It was so bad. Yes, they did not. I will never forget seeing that movie.

I made my girls watch Jerry Maguire in The Notebook to learn what romance.

Which one they like better.

They were so hard I rolling when we were watching Notebook. I might have gotten them on the tag on the attack watch that.

You gotta watch Love Island with them.

Like I need the romans.

I gotta send up for the kids here I gotta be.

But by the way I speak, you know, I actually did laugh really hard because my girls are now fine. They didn't really care about Graysnonomy at all, but then all their friends did, and so now they're watching, and now they're really into it, and so uh they're both at different parts, and uh, I think they just crossed over to when I arrived. Arrived, and I keep reading like I can't wait to see how this all goes, because they know they were there.

Do you like worry about like your nude stuff?

Okay, so this is my point. So Poppy says to me, Oh my gosh, I got the episode. Blah blah blah blah blah. But then all of a sudden, the door opened and you're in the shower with CALLI and I look away. Yes, of course it's gonna be weird. But when when I was doing when, I mean they were all tiny, Yeah, you were basically I don't think that on some levels, like I thought I would die there, right.

But again it's also like your it's not I mean, it's you, but it's not you, you know what I mean.

Obviously we talked about that a lot. But but again, I'm the daughter of an actress and I remember my mom did a show one time and I think she like.

Showed her butt and I was like, oh god, yeah, that could be the day that my kids find out about Californication is going to be a situation.

Hold are your kids now, I.

Mean they're watching that. Anytime there's a problem in my household. Yeah, it's going to be a I mean, like, you know, another ten years, like that's that's tough, that's I know. I mean, ill at school is going to be like I saw your mom's for.

Sure, But that was a while ago. I last year was I was going to do something that let's just put it this way. We had to. So when you're when there's a possibility of you doing nudity. You have to like clause it out with your lawyers, like you got to have real explicit Have you guys.

Ever had anyone talk about this with you guys? I don't know there was a nudity clause. Tell we gotta tell you guys a little bit.

Yeah, leave you with this when you are when something is written, well, actually I don't even know how to describe it. So let's do it together.

Okay.

You'll read a script and and either the nudity or the sex scenes are either explicit or they're just sort of like general, like it's not it's not explicit what they're going to do. It might just be like and they fall into bed and then whatever. But it's not explicit, right, It's not like and then her hand goes to and then his tongue, his tongue, his whatever, whatever whatever combination. And if it's explicit, then you know what you're signing

Show up to the first three quarters of her back but not below the Yeah.

I remember in my Californication when it was like literally my lawyer called me. He was like, okay, so because I was topless, I shot my butt. But they wanted to know how far down by the vagina they could shoot. So he had to like go through like how like how many inches of pubic hair down? And it was like that detailed because you had to protect yourself. You had to be really specific because they.

Go down to your butt.

It could be the butt hole, the butle. I feel like I actually clause to the clause.

Always so we didn't know. We didn't have used to. I mean when I was there, we didn't have intimacy coordinators, which that I would have been very grateful for.

We did not, not till last night. But it very it's very recent.

It's very recent.

But the whole industry you just the director telling you how to move and what yes.

And I think that that's always a very sort of very talking about vulnerable, a very vulnerable thing because very hard. It's also like okay, what's like where is the action happening? And is it happening? Like is it between action and cut and then are you like, obviously it is, but but there's it's just a very nuanced.

And how many times are you doing that?

And how many times are you doing it? And also where are like where is your hand going? And where is your So I was the first time I was lesbian on television. I was on The L Word and I was myself and Jennifer Peels and I'm supposed to be like the naughty, like hot for teacher girl and and she had been on it was probably like their fourth season, so she was she had so much experience with all the love scenes. She's like the most. She's

All that?

And she was such a pro and she was so kind and we really genuinely talked about choreographing. We choreographed the scene. It was in a car, and it was like it was I just kept thinking of my head. I'm she felt goes and buckled, hand goes to boob and goes to the left, just.

Nipple.

I could never be an.

You know.

It was it was a real I mean so, I you know, we again, we choreographed it on our own. But I mean, I think I imagine it might be really really great for actors that find that more challenging to have someone just really like saying like, here's here's what we're doing, and everybody knows what we're doing, so no one's surprised by hand going someplace like there's rules, there's it's not boundaryless. It's because guys, what we're at work, it's not it's not. No one's in a volunteer position.

They're so crazy, it's crazy. It's crazy.

I put myself in that position, Like I think about myself doing that.

I'm like, you can't, no, I can't imagine that.

Oh my gosh, nothing would be harder.

Do you watch Sex and the City, Oh gosh, I mean not that have not called sexy and just.

I have not.

I haven't watched one frame of it.

Callie. Callie is yes, there are.

And there Chay.

We were having this conversation earlier on the podcast about how people fall in love with you when they first see you, right from what they first saw you in so then it's like they evolve with you, because what a true fan will do. They evolve with you, but they'll always remember what they.

Always remember your first time.

Yeah, yes, and I know what it's like. I mean, there are some characters that will live in my mind forever that started out as really evil, dark, awful characters and I'm like, never again, Like I will never watch this. I cannot see that person.

Oh yeah, yeah of course, yeah yeah.

You never forget your first time.

You never You'll never forget.

Never forget that, We'll never forget our first time with you. We also wanted to pass along our message from our good friend Kate Walsh.

She says high, she says, sigh.

I love her. I love Kate Walsh. You know what, she 's an incredible role model because she she My experience of her is that she is resolutely, confidently and supremely herself. I never saw I mean, given that I sort of wish that there was not so much people pleasing on my end of things. She is like a badass. She comes in, she's like, that's what that is. That's what that is.

We met her today at the panel and then we told her that we were and she was like, oh, tell them.

I said hi, and I was like, oh, I was texting with her as we wrap this up, scrubbing in, call it what it is?

Can we promise that we do this again?

Oh my gosh.

Yeah.

And there's nothing better to me than having any sort of podcast with wine.

Every podcast we have with Wine is like, this.

Is our first, by the way, you popped our cherry, this is our first alcohol pop goes here we go, our first alcohol podcast.

These are my favorite. I love them.

I love it you.

Okay, thank you for the podcast.

Cheers call it bought it and we call it scrub as we do. Oh yeah, let's call it scrubbing in.

Mm hmmm.