Sayonara, Raya with Paulina Char

she is one of my best friends. And she's also the product developer at Tower twenty eight, which mark is a makeup brand. Thank you very much. Yes, in case you didn't know, it's a very huge, wildly popular makeup job. Yet well, there's a lot of fans in the room. Easton's wife, Alison's obsessed with Jia, Hannah's obsessed with so Ospray,

so fun fans in the room. And I do want to get into that because a lot of people really want to know about working with Tarra twenty eight because you were with them from the beginning and now it's such like a massive makeup brand, so they want to really hear, Like the the nitty story story but I feel like we should start with getting to know you first. Okay, let's do it. Where can we start? I mean, we can go all the way back. What we should start. How we met, how we met, Let's do that. Let's

do that. We met what eight years ago? No, I think more at this morning. Yeah, at least eight. Yeah. We were at my sister and i's first ever radio Disney Music Awards. Yes, and we are sorry. Her sister is Sophia Carson, so you probably see the three of us together. That's her sister. Yes, and people always ask me she is my blood sister. We just have different last names because she has a stage name, but we are blood sisters. Yeah. We were at our first awards show,

Disney Music Awards. Yes, and we had a mutual friend Yeah, and he was like, you're seeing rad She is great. You're gonna love her. Become friends. Yeah, And we just spent the entire show together dancing and shamming out, dancing to every single song. We had the greatest time. Yeah, and then the rest is kind of history. You and I started boxing together, yeah, because we realized we kind of lived on like the same side of side of town. Yeah,

the west side of the West Side. Uh, and so yeah, we started boxing class, like we would start working out together, and then we would like work out and like have dinner together and like all that kind of stuff, and then it just, yeah, the rest is history. We became family. Yeah, we literally became like family was clo oh oh. It's a different relationship, different relationship. It is a very different

relationship because Paulina and I are very similar. Like Paulina understands me, and it's a kind of same with Becca too, Like, yeah, Becca doesn't get me the way Paulina gets me because we're both cancers, so we have like the same type of emotional response to thing. And Sophia is is doesn't get us in that way. She We're just very different. And I think T and I are very similar in a lot of ways. Like you just they were both cancer,

were both sensitive, and we just always understood each other. Yeah, And but Sophia and T are just just as close. It's just a different, yeah, different relationship. But I did want to ask you about because I ask people for other, you know, questions that they wanted and they want to know how you and Sophia because you guys are so close and I think a lot of people were like, how do you maintain such a close relationship, you know, it's funny and I Sophia and I weren't always close,

which I think shocks a lot of people. I am the baby of the family and I'm her younger sister, and I always found her very annoying. I did. I was like, I was like, she's my annoying older sister. And then all of a sudden, because she's also like and she's like, she's like, yeah, we're very different. Um. And but we always we were. We always got along, but we weren't close. And you're kind of like the rebel. I'm a little bit more, you know more I should

the beat of my own drum. Yeah. Um. And essentially, she was going to college and I was like, wait a minute, she's leaving. And I had this like moment of like, no, you can't go anywhere, and it just like clicked. And then she left her college and I came to LA to visit her and never left. Never. I never left. Literally, I finished high school and I came to LA and we are attached at the hip, literally attached to that. And I mean, to be fair,

like we're like every other sister. We get into arguments. You know, we're not perfect and what you see on Instagram is a total highlight reel. But we really are that close. You know, we are that close. We are best friends. We love and adore each other, and we are just each other's biggest supporters. And I think we stay close. I think because we both have our own things,

Like we both have our own things in life. We're both on our own path, we have our separate careers, and we just support each other through everything, and we probably it's true, Like it's really cute, like obviously, you know, when Sophia has her red carpets or you know, anything anything like a music video or album come out, you know, like Paulina is organizing the party, the first one there, and vice versa, if anything happens, if she has like a Tower twenty eight event, and they have like a

new product launch, like Sophia is the first one there wearing the merge, like they're both always as are you, by the way, thank you? Like she is one of the most supportive friends, more people in my life apart from my sister and my family. It's tea sounds like she's part of the family. She totally is. I mean, she looks more like my mother than my sister and I do. There's just sure their mom is like blonde

hair like I have. My Mom's saying face I she'll love that I said that, but you like esthetically, Yeah, it's just like my mom. What's the age difference with you and your sister? Two years and four months? Okay, so I say my daughters are in a similar place. They're three years, but it's a similar situation. One's leaving for college in about a year and so the other one's having a hard time with that, and it'd be scary and all that stuff. It's so crazy how it happened.

Was your thing growing up? I assume hers was singing and dancing? What was yours? Sports? Sports and products, makeup products, skincare totally, and I do think that considering her career. I love that I have such a separate career to hers. Yeah, and there's like the comparison is a lot less because of that. Um, I was in volleyball and gymnastics competitively glowing up. I loved it, and the gymnastics it is brutal. Yeah.

I got to the point where I was like, either I go for it or I have to stop doing it. And I didn't see myself doing it the rest of my life, so I stopped. But I was always that little girl in my mom's bathroom putting on all her makeup and all her skincare. I just honestly didn't know that my career now was a career. I didn't. I just when you think of makeup, you think of makeup artist, when you think of the brand, but not the people. Yeah, but not like the people behind it. But then, how

do you do that? Because my young it's also very into makeup. How does a person who loves makeup, who's growing up in their teens or twenties right now, how do they turn it into a career. Well, I'll tell you my story is how my kind of journey happened. I got my bachelors at Lamu Alayla Marie Amount here in La and then I went to Fidham, which is in downtown. I got like a Master of Specialization program specifically in product development and marketing in the beauty industry,

and it was an intensive program. One year. I loved every minute of it. And Amy Amy Leu, the founder of Tower twenty eight just so happened to be a guest speaker in one of my classes, and this is pre Tower twenty eight and I met her in class and she presented the brand to the class and it wasn't even called Tower twenty eight. Was called Tribe like a Tribe of Women because her goal was to create a tribe of women behind this brand. And I instantly

knew I had to work for her. I was like, I we are so aligned in what we believe in this brand. I just knew it could be something really special. I walked out of class. I called my mom and I was like, I think I just met my future boss. Like I want to work for this woman. I will do anything. I will get her coffee and I DM tr on Instagram. She never saw it because Tower twenty eight wasn't really a thing. The day I met her, she had just finished raising money for the brand, so

it was like very very very earn in stages. I ended up finding her email from someone else. I got her email. We met up and I was her first intern and I ended that session with her with a bag of products and she was like, take it home, get back to me, and I was like, okay. I was like twenty one years old, very green, still in college technically, and then a few months later I was her first full time employee and I've been here ever since. Now how many employees does twenty eight? You know? I

think we're still really small. We have, but it's not two. No, no, no. So it was me Amy and my coworker Jess, who you've met Jess. I love her. She has a special place in my heart. Um, it was a three of us for the first three years doing it all. We were many different hats and right actually a new girl just started this morning. I just we just introduced with the team. Um, we're ten, we're still but I mean for where we are, we're still really small. Yeah, and

it's it's crazy. It's crazy to you know, create something from the ground up and what an education. But every part of the business, yeah, every single part of it. I'm I'm honestly so grateful for it because it's been the biggest like it's been the biggest honor of my life, honestly to be a part of this and just see it from the ground up. And you know, you took a chance. I took a chance on Amy, I took a chance on this startup that we were creating, and to see what it is now, it's such a pinch

meet moment. Yeah, it's like in every like celebrity artist kit, you know, so it's everywhere. It's there's billboards everywhere. Yeah, it's so it's so crazy, honestly to see something huge display at Sephora. Yeah, we just launched our own gondolas at Sephora, which is a really huge deal. Um, it's crazy and just to see even when I walked in, you know, everyone's like, oh, I love the product. Like it's so surreal that people relate to it so much

and they genuinely love the products we do. Thank you, And will you have your own line one day? Will I? Yeah, you know, it's always been my end goal, but I don't know anymore. I'm figuring it out. I would love to. I would have loved to have my own brand, whether that's makeup or something else. But I have loved every single moment of Town or twenty eight. It's been. I'm coming up on five years, and I wouldn't change the thing.

Like when she says she had her hand and everything like this girl, I honestly like she and I joke because like we literally the two of us out of all of our friends, I feel like are always just at work always. It's not a nine to five, it's a twenty four to seven. Yeah. But you like you did everything, like you did the social media, your brand development,

you were I don't even know that. Yeah. So the first the first few years, it was Amy, Jess and I. So we you know, three people creating an entire brand, you do it all. My main things were always products, So I developed all the products, social media, influence and events and photoshoots. And then you know, as we got bigger, you hire more people and you let things go. But my two biggest things were always the products. I mean I developed all the products. Obviously, you know, we've had

a few consultants and people on the team. It's obviously not just me. It's a team effort um and social media I've your recently let go of so now I'm like just purely focused on developing all the products, which is hard. Though it's hard to let go oh it's yeah, okay. I Mean one of the biggest things I've had to learn is like embracing change. I you know, don't like change. No, we do not like change chancers like their routine act. I can't hate it, and I've just kind of I

had to. I mean, it's in a startup, you have to pivot every single day, and I've just learned to embrace the changes. But I it's been so fun. It's been really crazy watching you go through the whole thing, because yeah, it was like she started out with there's three of them doing all. It's just so wild and to see like what it's grown into and you've just been so passionate about it every step of the way. So I'm very proud of you, and you've been the

biggest supporters. Like I'd say we're ninety percent of My face is Tower twenty eight. That's I mean same because I like that they're clean, you know, like that's doesn't know it's a clean, non toxic beauty brand. And the founder Amy just her story really quickly. She's had exit in her whole life and she wanted to create a brand that was safer sensitive skin, but that was still cool, yeah,

and it wasn't crazy expensive. Yeah, So we're really affordable, we're extremely clean, We abide by the National exem Association, and we're the only brand that does that, so we're a non list of ingredients we can't use to create products. Is probably the biggest and most brands because we just breaks just very clean. We're very careful, such a clean girl las days. So just right up right up my alley. Um,

I do want to also get into other things. I feel like we should take a quick break and come back. Look at you, thank you so much. You know what, Becca gone. I feel like I really have to like pull it together, so we'll be right back. Okay. So I facetimed Paulina yesterday because just spoiler alert, my weekend was spent bleeding. I was on my period all weekend and I was eating a lot of red meat and just so bloated and uncomfortable. So I didn't really didn't

do it ton um this weekend. But I facetimed her yesterday to go over something about the podcast, and I could hear in the background that she was listening to the last episode of Scrubbing In to like Prepare, which I thought was really cute. To be clear, I am a huge fan of scrubbing scrubbing in yes, I mean of you, but of scrubbing in yeah, yeah, And I listened, but I was like, so much pressure, I gotta listen to all the episodes, and I was listening to the

hay Babe of Hailey taking that go to church. What I thought was so special. Yeah, ye, a very emotional. Yeah, we forgot me. I know, we don't tend to get a super emotional on this podcast. We like to keep it fun and lighthearted. Yeah, totally. That one really threw us all. I'm sure. So before you came in today, Mark asked me a question. I said, You're gonna ask Pauline of this. I'm always fascinated by the dating lives of young singles, and so what is your current status?

My current I'm single. By the way, you have a great voice. I just want you really do great radio voice. Rasp. I've never I've never been told that. Thank you. It's good. It really works, it does anyway, thank you. Um. So you're dating, you're single? I am single? You are dating. I'm not. No, yeah, trying to pretend like you're dating. I have not you on any apps. No. Wow, I don't believe in them. Okay, sorry, that's a that's a lot. I don't not believe in them. I just don't think

that it's for me obviously works. It obviously works, but I don't think it's for me. Have you done them before and had a bad experiencer? Uh huh, Okay, that's one guy. Okay, sounds like it's a bad guy. Honestly, it was a horrible year ago. You gotta weed through it. The numbers games. It seems like that's built into the app experience I did. I did the Rya Raya whatever it's called. Years ago. It's like six years ago, pre

my past relationship. And I went on one date and this guy we had mutual friends, so it felt safe to me. What a disaster of a date. I left and I was like, never again. What was so wrong? He as a person? He you know, he the first of all was kind of catfish to be first, kind of catfish, but that's okay. And then his photos nothing, nothing like polar. I was very confused. It took me a second to find him because I was like, that's

not that much um. Dinner was actually going really well, and then he had like one drink and all of a sudden he was just talking so much crap about his mom and then went into like women belong in the kitchen and like saying this like verbatim, and I was like, there's no way people like you still exist. Yeah, and he just went on and we got into a full on fight because it's you know me, I'm like the opposite of that, and Raya for professionals too, like

the aren't people aren't women? Yeah, and apparently the men on there are supposed to also be that. And it just didn't. It just clearly did not work out. I didn't have a great I didn't have a great experience with Raya either. I honestly I haven't given them. Did you find celebrities? I did? Oh, I don't want to out. You didn't go out with him? No, I didn't. I didn't. I just swiped. I saw a lot of athletes on there. No, I saw a lot of like you saw Matthew Perry.

She saw Josh Groban and athletes and athletes. Yeah, like a lot of soccer players from across the pond. Who was like Tyler Posey Oh yeah yeah yeah, actually like matched. I mean nothing, I never spoke, right, um, I reefly remember Joe Jonas being on it that jack pot, So yeah, I don't. It could have been a fake account, but I remember this real account. Obviously before it'd been like very pre Sophie, many many years, many many, many many years.

Did you swipe right on Joe Jonas? I didn't really, No, why not? It seems like everyone that would be an automatic, right girl? I don't. I don't. I you know, I would rather not dat a celebrity. It's fair, is that? Because you've seen celebrity up close? And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I also think that that life is a very um particular kind of lifestyle. Yeah, And I don't know if

it's for me. I'm not opposed to it. If it happened, it happens, but I would that's interesting rather a lawyer, a doctor, you know, because we see it up close with Seacrest too, and Seacrest is kind of at an extreme level of fat and that I don't. I don't. Obviously there are many advantages to that, but there's some pretty big disadvantages. Yeah. And I'm not saying that every celebrity is bad. I mean no, but you don't even say there. It's just like it's just not for me.

And yeah, again, if it happens, great, well, because you're right, you be on the cover of every Yeah, and I crash gossip site, and I live tinos a really private life. I know. It's so crazy when I posted that she was going to co host, like, I'm like, she's one of my best friends, so I don't, you know, think anything, and all these questions are like so basic, like I know anything about you, and I like, wow, I forget how private you are, Like you know what I mean.

I know people think that because I'm like, you know, my sister's that's my sister is my sister, and I'm friends with you, and you know, I'm like in that world. Yeah, but me, Pauline, I'm not in that world dude, what I mean, I'm like in it, like yeah, it's the best way to be totally. I love mine. Because I didn't want a job. I didn't want to talk about the Oscars. Oh so fun, that's a big one, I know, So I want to talk about how it was watching your sister like on the I mean, honesty, it was

one of the more surreal moments, at least in her career. Yeah, she's done, as you know, a lot of incredible life changing things. But that day in particular, my grandmother and my whole family flew in from Columbia and I was sitting in the audience next to my grandmother watching my sister on the Oscar stage, and it was just so

I'm so proud of her. I'm proud of her every day, but that moment in particular was very very very very special, and just to live it with my grandmother next to me, and she walked the carpet with my sister, and so the whole day was like out of a movie. Honestly. It was so cool. And she, you know, Sophie has worked really hard to get to where she is and yeah, that girl works hard, Yeah, day in and day out. And she's always been that way. She's been working towards

this her whole life. So if anyone deserves it, it's her. And to see her on that stage at the Oscars is like incredible. Yeah. We went out to dinner to celebrate after and not after the Oscars, like I think we got after her. And I was asking her because to me, the Vanity Fair after party is just like it's such a such a thing name yeah, and so I want you to like share, just like what was in there? What the line of the biggest thing? And I told you at dinner I it is a most

humbling experience for any celebrity. And I don't say it's been a bad way. I just thought it was so funny because they don't allow and please don't quote me on this, but for my understanding, they don't allow agents or pr to go with ye that's known. So so you know celebrities, they just get dropped off and you have your ticket and your name in your hand, and

you make an hour long line for a picture. And we're in line and there's Austin Butler in front of us, Billie Eilish, the entire White Lotus cast behind us, and they're all just making this line. It's so wild, you know, like at home' that's so crazy. I loved John and I was like, what are we doing here? Like this was so wild, and the party's beautiful, like and everyone was so happy to be there and it's such a cool night. But I just found it so funny because

you at home. You see the pictures, Yeah, you don't see the line out the door. You're kind of in some in some of the photos when they're like in that that very first spot. Yeah, I see, but it's like that line out the door. Wow. Yeah, it's so funny. And I'm so jealous that you saw Joe Jonas and Sophie. I know, it was so good to see those. Those are peeps. I know they're so sweet. We always have so much fun with them, much fun with them. Aren't seen Sophie Turner in I think since pre prod I

know we were talking like she has two kids now? Yeah, I was like, Sophie, Yeah, last time I just saw you were like newly married and they have two beautiful girls. Isn't that crazy? So crazy? Time just flies, lilies flies, so crazy. But it was such a fun night and they had in and out just on trees. Yeah, oh so good. Sounds so good right now, you know that time of the mouth. In case you haven't heard, we have no idea, no, but you have been listening to the podcast and you are aware of the Maid of

Honor to Bacle. Oh I sure am. Yeah. I've had a discussion with that guy about it too. I told Becca, I go, it's kind of offensive that you don't want it so badly, do you know what I mean? Like Becca, like Pauline has a better fit. Bye. To be clear, I will fight for it and Becca everyway jingle. Van. I was like, um, I heard the little competition going on it. She was like, if you want it, you can have it. I was just like, no, I want to fight for it. I don't want to fight for it,

but I am willing to go for it. Right, Well, we'll find out in time, we will move Well, do you want to make a pitch for why you'd be the best maid of honor right now? Sure? I think first things first, I understand you better than anyone that's and you just said more than Becca. That's it's a different level. It's a different level. It's a different understanding. Very organized, that's true, very on top of it. Point for Paulina, I will make sure you have the greatest

Bachelor I party. You know. It's very funny though you and Ecca, like Becca gets things done, but she's so stressy, Like it's it's such in a disorganized way, do you know what I mean? Like she'll get it done and it'll be awesome, but she'll save it to the last minute, and like it's very stressy energy, and you're more like I'll get it all done beforehand and I'll have like an itinerary. Yeah I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, like less stressy energy, you know, but like both equally amazing. Oh totally.

I have no doubt she'll be great, But I think I would just be a little better. You know what, We'll just do it together. Oh yeah, yeah, cod cod co Yeah yeah. Just don't put me in a matching dress with anyone. No, I think I'd already decided that I'm not doing matching dresses. I'm gonna pick a color and just let everybody go around. Thing great. It's like I'm not gonna do that, you know what I mean? Like none of those dresses a look good on the

never flattering. They're never flattering. No one dress looks good on every everyone. And it's like, I'm past that phase of my life where I need every photo to look the same, you know what I mean. I don't need my bridesmaid. I can, you know, embrace your differences. Have one strap, have a tube toop or do your thing be totally covered. We're a spaghetti strap. I don't care. Whatever you want, Yeah, whatever you want, whatever you feel best in, got it. Switching gears from my wedding not

even it's not even switching gears. Um. I did want to just touch on this before we move on to our hot topics, because I got a lot of questions from people who are not necessarily in the makeup industry, but they're like wanting to start their own business, you know, and are inspired by what you do with Tower twenty eight. So if you could give them any words of a wisdom or advice, what would you share? I think my advice and I have a few different things, um and

I think this goes for anyone. I don't think it's just in the beauty industry. I think the first thing is work really hard, like, don't you know, work for the job you want, not though when you have kind of a thing like really give whatever phase or in your career, give it everything you have. Just go for it with passion and intention and heart. You'll get there. Be nice. I think every industry feels really big. They're really small, ye, both the entertainment industry, the beauty industry,

any industry, they're really small. Just be nice to everyone. You never know if you're going to run into this person ten years down the line. Embrace change. I know that's hard one for us, but you need to learn how to embrace everything because you especially in a startup in any company. Things change daily all the time, and you need to just learn to embrace it. And in my experience that I've obviously had to in the hard

way and it's been like a lesson for me. But through some of the bigger changes in my career have come the greatest moments. So I just learned to embrace that and pivot when needed, and honestly have fun, have a lot of fun. I think there's work, will always be work, but you can always find the fun and the good and the stress and the good and the bad day, and just work really hard and get your foot in the door anyway you can, and just work

your way up and be really really grateful. Yeah, I think, just be grateful for wherever you are in your career, whether you're an intern or you got the promotion, or you're just at any point, just be grateful for where you are and where that will take you. Good, good, Paulina, thank you. We're gonna get into some hot topics. Mark had a really good transition, so I want to let him thank you very much. She really transition the segue

that I was working so hard on. I noticed that Amy, the founder of Tower twenty eight, was featured recently at goop dot com speaking of Coop Gwyneth Paltrow. Oh wow, thank you're the guy. Thank you very much, thank you, thank you. She was of course found, uh Gwynescent. She's Gwennescent. And let me tell you, I were you watching this case? Yeah? I could not stop watching it on TikTok, adding it

was addicting. And so, in case you don't know much about it, Gwyneth Paltrow was being sued by this man named Terry Sanderson. He said that Gwyneth skied into him, and she's saying that he skied into her. So it's like kind of a he said, she said, but she so he sued her for what was it? Marko was like three million, three million. They knocked it down to three hundred thousand. But he's saying his life was forever changed. She skied into him, and now we can't think straight.

Three hundred thousand to Gwyneth Paltrow is like three dollars to us. And so the fact that she didn't just settle this case and spent so much money, I'm sure on like legal fees, I knew she must have been telling the truth. She wanted to make a point. So it was very entertaining to watch this all go down. But she didn't win the case, so she won a dollar and her pride a dollar. A dollar. I mean, that whole thing was just when she left, after she once she whispered in his ear, she said, I wish

you well, classy, good classy. So that was an end to something that I was really interested in. And then also, I don't know if you saw this, but Kelsey Ballerini and Chase Stokes made their red carpet debut at the twenty twenty three CMT Awards. I'm so invested in this, Okay, but did were you reading the comments? Because a lot of people are like, it's too soon, they shouldn't be doing a red carpet together, it's too fresh. I mean, here's a thing to each their own. I'm down for it.

I'm like, if I was dating this hottie, I would take him to any time. Honestly, I was never like the biggest Kelsey Ballerini fan, but not not a fan just like right, you didn't really know much about I didn't know too much about her. I am a huge fan. I know, so invested. I saw the whole interview with Alex Cooper. I'm in it, yeah, and I'm happy for her. I think it's great. I think she was like, I'm I'm so happy she too. I'm so happy she's doing

I'm dating this little hottie from they seem happy. Yeah. And even if they're happy for a minute, who greats. Yeah, she seemed to be really unhappy for a long time. So I'm happy for her. I know me too. I'm I'm very much into this, like Kelsey Ballerini era, that's happening, the same her whole EP album. I don't know what it was. Sorry, epp. Oh my god, really good on repeat? Pet House Oh yeah, so good, She's so good, so good. Yeah, I'm really living for her a moment right now, you too.

Mark's like, who's going okay, okay, fine? Fair Oh. I did also want to update the scrubbers. I have some bad news. Is there a sound effect for that works? That works? Yeah? You already know it though. Yeah. So Camilla Oh Luddington was supposed to join us this week in the o R and we will be songs Camilla this week, but she is going to reschedule, so it's not she's not not coming in she's just rescheduling. We're sure she's going to reschedule because yes, and I made

a point to ask. She did cancel all the press that she had surrounding this as well, so it was like an actual legit reason, not just like I don't want to see this girl again. But I was listening back to the episode and it was so crazy because it was from April of twenty nineteen, and I'm the first thing we opened the mice and I'm like, I met my future husband today. I'm like, who who are they talking about? And it was Zachary Levi. I can't Yeah,

I remember that phase. I remember that phase very well. But I was like excited to get to fill her in on your current where we're at. Yeah, because all of her friends, she had friends that listen to the podcast and they were saying that they like to listen because beck and I are so bad at dating and like the stories are really funny, and so I was excited to tell her that, like we're in committed relationships now, yeah,

both of you. I know, serious ones, serious ones. So but I just want to because I did like put in the Facebook group and stuff, so I wanted to let everybody know that she was going to reschedule. Um, so hopefully she we'll get her soon. We don't know when. That very comfortable, the indefinite reschedule. Yeah, me too, But you know, sometimes you just got to embrace change, the change, guys thing. Something better will come from it, Something better

will come from it. Yeah, yes, correct, Because Becca is not here today, so maybe Becca will be back and she can actually meet Camilla. Actually, yeah, so maybe it was all meant to be like that. Yeah, Um, okay, we're gonna take a quick break and we're gonna come back. Do you want to do you have some advice to give? Sure? All right, well we have some emails. Oh let's do it with some questions. So we'll do that one. Get back and we're back with emails. Casey says. My mother

in law loves her grand baby, maybe too much. My husband and I live far away from both of our families. We both work, we have friends. We really enjoyed a spending time with a little family when we come home. Not to mention, we're pretty busy raising our small human. Our hospitality was after the first few months of our baby's life, and my husband and I asked our families to limit their visits to quarterly and we try to

only face time a couple of times a week. Both sets of grandparents get plenty of photos of our adorable child, but with every bit of content or call, there are comments about missing her so much, your actual tears, that my baby is growing up and I'm not there. Before this, my mother in law and I had a great relationship, but now I feel like she's acting like a parent who's being deprived of custody. Give it to me straight. Are these boundaries that we have set unreasonable? Oh gosh,

do you have take? I mean, I think I don't have kids, so it's hard for me to comment on this one. But I don't think boundaries should be respected. Yeah, and if that's what you feel like you have to do for your family, then I think it should be respected. But I think that the grandparents want to seem like it. I think it's okay. Yeah, I mean, nobody hears the thing. Nobody's in the wrong. There's no right or wrong when it comes this kind of stuff, because obviously it comes

from a place of love. Everybody just like loves your kid and wants to see your kid. Um, But I do think boundaries are so super super important, and I think you can only give so much and if it was draining you, then you have to set those boundaries. And I think to like, you know, with the little guilt trips, I think that that just like happens with totally parents, Like everybody deals with it with their parents in some way, shape or form, And I think it's

just like a generational thing. So I wouldn't really like, um, get bogged down by the many little guilt trips that she says, like it's okay, she's gonna say it. Just let it kind of like fly off your back, um. And to your point, it's off out of the place of adoring your child. Yeah, So you know, yeah, change your change your perspective a little bit on it, maybe up them, maybe up the photos a little bit, fatime the facetimes. Um. But I think you gotta do what

you gotta do to be the best parenting. I agree. I don't at this at all. I have kids and we live far away from the grandparents. There is no unreasonable here. It's you and your kids. Yeah, I mean, if you decided to cut them off completely, I'm sure there'd be a reason to do that you wouldn't just do it, you know, haphazardly. I think you're fine here.

I think you've done absolutely the right thing. You've got us at boundaries are they're they're all the time, and you're hosting all the time, and you can't be hosting all the time. Yeah, because oh I'm no trouble. No, please stop it. I'm nothing. No, no one's nothing that's staying in your home. They have to be attended to. So I think you're fine. Quarterly is generous as far as I'm concerned. It's four times a year. That's it. Way more than my parents came and saw our kids.

It's fine. They're lucky to have quarterly facetimes. You're good. Okay, don't let her get to here. Don't let her get to you. You heard Mark Casey Anonymous. Those are years that juicy. I like this guy a lot. I've known him about seven years. We were co workers, and then I got another job, but we kept in touch his friends, and then in twenty two, which would be last year, he reached out and we reconnected. We went to the movies with his god daughter, and then again with that

goddaughter's mom, that who was his best friend. Okay, so he's best friends with a woman and they went out with the goddaughter. The mom and I hit it off right away. Now, the three of us were in a group chat. We message every day. We're on our thirties, she's marriage, she has four kids. We all go to the movies and hang out quite often. For like five months now, he and I still have our private chat and we message every night from nine pm until four am.

We even knew Amazon Prime movie watch parties at night together. But when he suggests doing something or I suggest a movie or dinner, he always wants to include the other best friend. Am I only the best friend? Now? Too? Do I not have a chance to be his girlfriend? I thought, because he was messaging me for so many hours every day, that he had feelings for me. I'll be honest, I'm baffled by this one. Oh my god. I haven't I needed more context? Like have they held hands?

Held hand? Physical? Yeah? I mean I think in general there are no guy girl friendships. Don't know if I believe that one, but I don't. But I do think that if you've been talking for this long every single day, he might just not be that into you. In that way. Oh, I have a theory. No, she's married, which is interesting. The other is she not happy? That's my theory is that these two one excuses to hang out together. The godmother is telling her husband, Oh, it's fine because Anonymous

is going to be there. I agree, right, Meg, She's th wheel. Anonymous is the third wheel, so that those two to hang out, they just hang out. It's weird to the other husband, Yeah, like why is she always included in the three of them? But having said that, why are they texting dming whatever? From watching seven hours every night? No guy's doing that without feelings. I'm so no, agreed, But he won't message her during the day apparently, but then also want to take her out by himself, by herself.

If you're texting someone at two in the morning every night, you liked them, and isn't it going to get sexual at some point? Right? I'm trying to think if I ever had this with somebody in the answer is no, because you're in bed. I didn't either. You're in your own separate beds, but you're texting each other. It seems to me like it's going to get sexual at some point.

And if it hasn't, maybe that's a sign. But if I'm I don't know any guy who's texting with a girl for seven hours a night that doesn't have feelings for her, well, yeah, I just I agree with you. I just feel like he must not be like her enough, or he might not be into women. Oh oh, I don't know. Okay, yeah that's that's actually that's valid, thank you. I think the issue here is him out yeah, what

he wants. And by the way, why can't you say to him, is there any chance we can go see a movie just the two of us about so I am tina have this direct? Why not just be direct? I am, I am, I am um. You can always agree on this. I like the guy to come forward, and I think it should be more of the guy than the girl the beginning especially, But at this point, just ask him. Yeah, there's no The worst that could happen is he says no, I asked out many men in my day. You sure did. Sure, I was witnessed

to a few of them. This isn't even a tough one. They're already making plans to do something. So if he says, hey, I'll talk to so and so, just say, you know what you know what. Let's Yeah, I don't, it's too top. That'll impress him to what's a two top like table for two? Oh? Oh, got it, got it? Got it? Got him on the same side. Yeah, on the same side.

So that's our advice. He's gay, or he has feelings for the other one man, or or he's just not that into her unfortunately, So why not just say something to him and then you'll have your just stop wasting your time. Yeah, move on and find someone else to give this much a t. If she needs the closure, just ask him. Yeah, he'll he'll tell you. Sometimes you have to accept the closure that you don't receive. But no, but I know what you're saying. Anything like that, and

it's really good. I know the exact quote you're saying. It's not that one. But accept the apology that you don't receive it. No, no, no, yes, it's something like that combining too, I think. But I get it's like if even if you don't get the closure you need, No, sometimes closure is accepting the apology you didn't get. That's what it is. Yeah, there we go, that's what I got there, I got there. Just took a minute. You know, sometimes the disrespect is all the closure you need. Oh exactly.

You know what. That's a great one. It's a good one. Write that down. Yeah, because if you don't have respect, you got anything, You got nothing. No, no, move on, move on on, boye bye. Before we say bye bye to you, I'm so sad and I wanted to end. I know. It's fun, right, so fun, so fun, go on vacation more often. I do think she has a couple. Well, we'll see. I mean, guys, I'm available. I mean, I'm kind of I'll make the time. But before you go, I wanted to hit just a couple of the questions

that we did get a lot to it. It was what's your hardest part about your job, the best part about your job, and your favorite product. Hardest part about my job, I would say, is which is equally the most exciting for me, is the amount of pressure I feel. There's a lot of pressure in developing products for Tower twenty eight, for a company that is now knock on Wood very successful. There's a lot of pressure comes with that, with creating something that the vast majority of people will like.

But it's also very exciting. I love of that part of my job of a launch day and seeing people are seeing in their reviews and the press, and it's my favorite and also the hardest part is that pressure. Um. The best part I think is my team. The team at Tower twenty eight shot him out. Alex Live, Jess, Rosalie, Aaron, Danny, Amy, of course, the founder, Victor and Alicia and oh my god, I hope I don't forget anyone. I think that's everyone, okay,

and your favorite product, my favorite product. I think it's not out yet. Oh what a team. It comes out this fall and it is. I have it on right now. I've been It's incredible. It has been my dream to create a leather jacket. Um no, it's every day I wear my Sunny Days Foundation and my Tower twenty eight mascara. I usually use the brands, you know, as eyeshadow. I did not today. Um, and then I always have a lip jelly on. I love you. Those are like my staples.

A question, what is tower? What is the significance of the name Tower twenty eight. It is an actual lifeguard tower in Santa Monica. Oh and it is where Amy, the founder and her friends. I would say meet me at Tower twenty eight and they would meet up there and it's you know, Santa Monica is on a beach. Everyone's included, you see, diversity. So that was the reason behind the name. I spent a lot of time at Sephora in front of the lake, you know thing at

the end of the aisle, staring at it. My wife picks it out, the font, the colors. If I feel like I'm at the beach, I love it. I love it. Something like branding. The branding is so good. Yeah, thank you guys. Um My wife's a big fan. She to send her product. Yeah, she wants me to ask. You know, there's no preservatives in them, is the very natural thing. There are preservatives, but not the toxic preservatives. Okay, so there is we have in all of our products. We

have a preservative system that is all clean. How long but it works? How long did they last on it? Every product is very different, okay, So there is a PAO on every product. It's period after opening and some of it is six months, some of it is twelve months, some of it is eighteen months. It just depends on the product, all right. And creams will always last less than like a powder for example. That's good enough. Thank you. That was the question she wanted me to ask. Of course,

great question. Thank you, Alison, Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you so much for taking the time to be here. Busy girly so I love this. I love you more and we'll talk soon. I'll be back. If anybody wants to follow you, where can they follow you? Um Instagram, Instagram, at Bow the Chat p A U D A C h A R or at Tower twenty a beauty I'm there as well. There you go. Thank you for having me. I love you, I love you. Bye.