From Warrior Queen to Queen Bee

Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya red An iHeartRadio podcast.

Hello, everybody. We are scrubbing in in. Today's episode is a very special one because we have a very exciting guest scrubbing in today.

We have Royalty here with us.

We have Gray's Anatomy Royalty, and we did not wear scrubs, but that's because we I want to get a cute photo of us together because I wasn't here last time she was here.

Oh yeah, I have to look. I meant to look for her head pillow. Oh shoot, that's okay, I can do it really quick before she comes in.

Well, we know her as doctor Joe Wilson in Gray's Anatomy, and Tanya thinks of her as a friend that she will one day be watching Grey's Anatomy with.

But I thought we were long lost sister friends. But we did never see each other again after that first time she scrubbed in.

So she scrubbed in again during the pandemic we did. It was just over zoom.

It was over zoom.

So we're very excited to welcome back Camilla Ludington. Yes, wow, I just want to tell y'all that she walked in the door and looked directly at me and said, you weren't here last time. She remember she remembered my absence. I did, thank you. Yes, that means a lot here.

Both of you. I am excited too. I'm excited that you remembered me too.

Yes, I remember.

I feel like I remember a lot of people like I remember. I feel like I know I can recognize, like people from an entertainment weekly that have interviewed us.

Huh.

When we've been on the show this long, we tend to see the same people all the time. Not that I've seen you odd guys all the time, but.

Yeah, wow, I would just like you to know that. After that, I guess y'all ended the conversation, or maybe it was after the podcast, Tanya was like, we should watch an episode together. Grace nodding together, and You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And Tanya told me, I'm like, Tanya.

She wanted to do a watch party with us.

We could. I would totally do a watch party.

And Becca goes, I doubt she's.

Nice of her. That feels like something I would say to somebody who wanted, like back in the Bachelor days, don't watch a Bachelor because I like the Bachelor.

I'll watch one of your episodes with you, guys. If you watch one of mine, you can get behind the scenes commentary.

That's great. We can just bed a long time since I was on the Bachelor, but behind the scenes juice. Okay, Yeah, I'll give you juice if you give me juice. But I feel like your NDA is probably active and mine is a longe. Mine's probably a little more active. Yeah, your is a little more tight tightly like that idea. It would be kind of fun. Yeah, do we get right into anatomy I got Okay, I'm going to start with it's.

A lot to cover because since you've been bad, since you've been gone, I.

Mean, it's been a million things.

And I'm excited by the way I purposely had me come today because I'm tired, especially if it's like an hour long podcast. I'm tired of being like I can't tell you guys. I want to be able to like explain the behind the scenes what like that happened, you know for this finale, because it was really fun in our table read and be able to talk about it. So that's why I'm extra excited.

We're very excited about that too. Because that would have been knowing how much went on. That would have been a very hard talk if it wasn't out yet.

Yeah, and I want to be able to talk about all those things too.

Okay, tell you what did you want to get into.

Well, there was a lot of stuff that we covered when you were here last time that I remember what it was.

I know.

So here we have a little audio.

Let me hear.

This is a clip from last night, April first, twenty nineteen.

Okay, what is it about Link that you like?

Because I've heard fan feedback and I'm wondering if it's the same reason.

I like that he's more mature and like, I feel like he's better with the kids. I knew you're going to say that, and I call him Joham de Luca. Feels like he's just focused on his career and he's going to be like the next like make Dreamy or whatever he is, And I just feel like he can't give Meredith like all that she needs. And I think Link is like past that phase and he just wants like, am I talking.

About Link for Meredith?

Yes?

Oh my god, Oh my gosh, wow, I actually kind of forgot that that ever happened.

I know they were competing for her at the correct I that's no memory of Link and Meredith.

You don't remember this was twenty nineteen, right, did they ever?

Like? I don't even think they care.

No, I don't think they can till Luca won that he won the battle.

He won the battle. Yeah, that is a mill that just that. That's a different world on our show.

And then there was also.

This they said that you guys are crazy on any superfans and that they said that, do you want to honestly know what they said?

Yeah?

Okay, so they said.

That at first a podcast started out with you guys discussing Gray's anatomy, and then it's become about your dating life and that you guys are terrible at dating.

So I haven't remember saying that.

How did I get looped into terrible at dating? We were we both were. I didn't date, Yes, you did? Who told me that information?

These were your friends that listened?

Oh my god? Okay, okay, yeah that's really funny.

So we have an update. Okay, both in committed relationships now, and I'm.

Very happy to hear this. Yeah, but I've been in my relationship. I was in my relationship for like over a year when when she was on the podcast.

That's true, but we didn't know about it.

Yeah, it wasn't public. I've been with my I've been I have a girlfriend and we've been together for five years. Amazing. I've gotten better at dating. That's really funny. I don't remember saying that we have one more thing.

Okay, So if there's any element potentially hurting Alex, it's like doomsday on my Twitter.

I hope, I really hope you guys, like really just make it the long haul.

I really think we I really I hope so too.

That did.

That's just sad.

That actually is devastating to hear.

I know, I was listening back to the old episode and I was like, wow, so much has changed in the show and in real life.

It's so crazy.

Isn't that nuts?

Yeah? I mean it's not surprising because when I go back, like once in a while, this is what I do. I don't need to hate admitting this, okay, but once in a while I'll be like, you know, there's nothing on TV, and I'm like, let me just go back and like watch an episode right from like an early season that I was on because I get tweeted stuff all the time, and I'm like, I don't know what picture this. I have no idea what this is from.

No, Alex, I know, I feel none of us saw that coming.

No, that was heartbreaking. Yeah, well yeah it was rough. It was rough in a letter, Yeah, that's brutal. It felt rough.

It was rough.

I will say something else that felt rough, And to be honest, I just this past week have caught up, like fully caught up. Did you watch the finale? Yeah, yeah, okay, I had a very I was. I was a little mad at the Meredith Gray episode, the goodbye I was the farewell.

It just felt like because it didn't feel as huge as she was going to. I think it's I think I did see those comments on Twitter, but I think the reason why is because a we knew that she was going to do another episode this season. We already knew she was going to be in the finale, and she's voiceovering every episode, and I just think that of any character she's not, it doesn't feel like she's really gone.

I guess to us, I get it now. The audience needed to feel more. I think the trailers for it, the lead up for it felt like so emotional and heavy that when the episode got here and like there we wrote our own toast saying farewell to Mari's Gray, we felt like we didn't get what we wanted she.

Deserves, so we gave our own sendoffs. Yeah right, but now I get it. Now, I get it.

I didn't realize she was gonna be narrating the episodes too, and I didn't realize she was going to be back. So now I guess I get it, because it wasn't.

Really like no.

I don't even know at the time if we could say that she was going to be back in the finale.

Uh, I'm not sure if we could say that.

So I feel like maybe everyone thought it was going to be like, oh, yeah, she's done and done, but you know, yeah, she's going to be back.

I feel like she's going to be back all the time.

Obviously no episodes are being written, ye strike, but I think she'll be back a ton of times.

That's what I think. I'm going to give a spoiler alert before I give spoilers, because I never do that. I always give a spoilert after we spoil it. So I'm giving people the chance spoiler alert if you haven't watched. I'm curious your thoughts about Joe and Link Okay.

Okay, yeah, I can talk about all these things.

Yeah, and I have like a lot of questions too.

You do.

Do you have a specific question because I can talk about it. But have you wanted them together?

Not?

Always? No? Okay, there was.

Here's how I felt about Joe and Link. I felt and I've said this before, so this isn't like, you know, give.

Us a breaking news bit that we can put that well, I will, but I'll lead it up to this.

I will say it like this though in the beginning, when I originally I think that they were trying to figure out, like where do Joe go from here? After Alex right, and I actually liked the way I mean, obviously it was a devastating way to be broken up with, but what I liked about it that I didn't feel like we had shown on the show before, is that people get left and sometimes they don't get that like, hey, I to talk to you about this and say all

Don't have a friends, No one likes her.

That's actually sad. She doesn't how many times?

So I was like, can I just keep my friend and like not sleep with them? And also, you know, not that not that we necessarily take into how the fans fell into consideration as the truth, because we piss off fans all the time in our storylines, so we can't. But like Amelia and Link, there was a huge fandom that really loved those two together. No you weren't a fan, No, you're a fan of them, not you like whatever, Okay, there were there was a big fandom that like loved

On it.

Because he was so hung up on Amelia that I felt like, if I'm Joe really gonna be like falling for this person that's so into somebody else, like I would shut that down, but which is kind of what they wrote. And then slowly this season I've been really convinced. And then for some reason, the way Chris played that fight with me in the finale I was in I was like, yes, like this is happening, this has to go down, like something about like the passion fight and being honest, I was sold.

I personally feel like I may have leaned that way without the hot patient.

Okay, that's what really bothers them. Sutton Page is super cute and charming.

What pissed me off?

It takes some other guy coming in and swooping you off your feet for link to get it together.

I don't like that.

I mean, do you, I mean, listen, do I like it? But I'm trying to think, like.

If he I think that it was less of a jealousy thing, I think it would have come out eventually. I think he was just really scared to screw up what they had, so I think it kind of comes from that, and then it was just like, Okay, now she potentially has to date somebody else. Now I have to just say it, even if it's like a bad idea. The problem is a Sam Page is super charming and shute.

Is he dead?

I think he died. I did not die, see, I thought.

He died him.

He is like he's not looking too he's like bleeding out.

But we we Cliff Hanger hanged it, but it looked like I don't even know what that term is. Cliff Cliff hung it, Yeah, Cliff hung it.

Yeah, but it appeared to me like they'd stop trying to like, yeah, there, their hands were out of the body like this.

Did they call time of death? No, Okay, then you never know.

On our show, they did not call time of death, but he looks very dead.

It's not looking good for Sam and Joe. I'll say that. I think I can confirm that it's not looking good for them.

Is gonna die? I think he's gonna die.

I don't know. Listen, here's the thing that I have learned.

Okay, I can say like, yeah, of course he's gonna die, right, But the truth is is that on our show, I feel like there's times when I really think I'm convinced about something. I'm like, this character is dying, and then they don't. There's like some miraculous thing that happens. And so until I read that script, I'm not gonna say.

It because for me personally, I wanted you with Sam, you did what I'm saying. I wanted to see more of it, and I was like, what, They're just gonna kill him like that? Like this was my So here's my like it was Denny Izzy vibes.

Yeah, I feel like I'm not a I didn't like that storyline that Denny is. I feel so seen this is a battle all the time. That's not Yeah, I just wasn't like Henry devastated me more Henry and Teddy like devastated me.

Yeah, I just yeah, I wasn't like super into that chemistry.

But I know this is controversial. Yeah, yeah, I take a beating every time. I like, yeah, every time I share my truth.

It's the hardest death for me on the show. But it's up there, it's up there. Really yeah, yeah yeah, oh.

Yeah, yeah yeah.

I wasn't looking for that, but I liked that he was very confident and that I was like, oh, I could totally see them dating once he's off, once his bones all he ninety three bones, once they were healed, I felt like him and Joe there was like endless potential.

I did too.

I was really sad think that. Yeah, I think it would have been possible. I think it only would have been possible.

I think also just Sam and I had good chemistry actually as actors, like I think it just it's not something you can help, and we just had really good natural chemistry. And I joked with Chris, I'm like, someone's giving you a little your mind, and but no, he was.

Just a red herring a little bit. I think that's interesting. Would you have been happy then if because I know. I'm curious.

In that speech where he's like, and I'm gonna love you like, Link says that if Joe had been like too late, yeah, you would have been fine with it.

Yeah yeah, Oh my.

God, I wanted you to be like, sorry, I got a guy to save or like guy I liked.

And when the conversation started and you were like, we need to move out, like this, this is I can't like basically, I can't date because you're always there. I pack your bag, I was you were packing his bags. I was throwing him out of the house. Ye yeah, and Paul was ordered yeah yeah, I love it. And then and then you walk towards them and I'm like, oh no, you're like, like what she liked?

I think that. I think that at the end of the day, even if she had dated Sam, I think that Link would have been.

A what if. And I think a what if is dangerous to have in future relationships, especially when you're basically raising children together and living together.

I mean that would have like I'm assuming that, you know, if if she was dating someone else, that would have to end. I can't imagine a guy is like okay with that situation. But I do think that that was unresolved. And I think that like when you're looking for the one, right, like anything in the past needs to be resolved, and they would have stayed friends, and so can I imagine her like getting drunk at some point and having kissed him and cheated on whoever she's.

With, Like, yes, that's a problem. That's a good point. Like if that like those feelings are never acknowledged or dealt with and you make yourself move on. Yeah, is there always that potential?

But like you guys could go to like Poundtown for a night and then be like did go to Poundtown?

Yeah?

They had done that already, So that's like.

There done that.

She went right back into town, she left Pound and then she came back to Legal Like.

No, I don't think it was resolved, and I do wonder if like they it's so sad because there was an episode and I think it maybe would have convinced more people too that feel this way.

It was an.

Episode where oh it was the episode where last season Joe and Link it's like the story book episode, like we do we're saving someone that's on stage and they're doing like sleeping beauty.

Oh yeah, sleeping beauty or Ponzo.

Yeah, right, Durman that episode, okay, And at the end of that episode is his confession of like, hey, back in the day, I used to have feelings for you, right, And there was a version of that episode where we flashed back and we saw them working together and what that chemistry.

Was like way back in the day.

Why didn't they use that?

I don't know. Chris and I have a joke about this because they didn't. They didn't. It's so insulting to say this about ourselves.

They did a makeup test on us, right to like have us play like our younger you know, people in our twenties, and then that got scrapped, and Chris and I were like, they would like way too much cgi they would have had to like broken a budget like we Apparently we're assuming we just looked like as were younger selves. I don't know if I can say that.

I think my issue with Link, to be honest, is that it's now that especially y'all bring up the Meredith thing. It's like Meredith and Amelia, and then it was like.

Joe and how everybody isn't gras Anatomy and they all just go from like one nest show in it.

That's true, but most of the guys, yeah, yeah, she, I mean, she's kind. She has kind of been one of the few people on the show.

Yeah, you gotta make your.

Alex Alex Avery Jackson. And then Skyler Aston last season. Oh yeah, I dated him for a little bit. By the way, I loved Skyler. There's a point where I was like, can I just like these two are? But they made him so ridiculous towards the end with like a giant sex bear. But there was a point where I was like, I love Skyler, Like let's keep him.

Yeah, that's hard. They just like bring people in and you're like, oh, this is a great chemistry in the.

Mid this is really fun, and they're like, no, there's gonna be a cringy giant sex bear and they're gonna be over it, and you're like, I.

Cain't never mind, oh man. But then I feel like anybody else. No, I feel like the world. She's pretty like ye consistent? Well, I mean krev was you couldn't leave correct there? I was? She was very committed. Okay, is there any world where Alex correp comes back? Now you're gonna as.

He tweeted a gray mug or something and that got everybody all at Twitter on Twitter?

He did he keep?

I thought it was a.

Grays mug or like he was drinking his coffee on.

Yeah, let's look it up. Do you want to show you sure?

He was just feeling he was wanting to stir things up.

He was feeling nostaldrec Is it justin Chambers? Yeah, yeah, he's not verifying, he's yeah, I don't.

Think that's rights might not even be his account.

Then, No, I got it. I got picked up by everybody there. It is because a cappuccino thing with like the cast wrapped around it. But he captioned it with a fresh cup of Grays is what he said, so that it would imply that, oh, hey, look I'm back a fresh praise, new start. But that was a long time ago.

It's weird though, because it looks like that's like from our set that's not even like a mother. Really, I want well, I mean, who knows, maybe he's had a meeting with the writers. They don't tell me anything ever. Do I think Alex Karev.

Should come back? Is that my I could come back? Oh well, I mean yeah, anyone could come back.

Half the dead characters have come back at some point.

But I'm listen, I we we always say this. We have to be your own number one fans, right, Like I am team Joe until the end, even if she kills everyone in the hospital.

Like, I'm like team Joe, right because that's how we have to like operate.

But I selfishly don't want him to come back because if he comes back, of course worse the fans will love it because I think it would be a lot of drama. But I think that she's at that place where she's moved on. But I understand from a fans point of view wanting him back. Selfishly, for Joe, I'm like, no, like you don't get to come.

Back and talk to her and like, yeah, I want him to come back and like beg for you back and then you to be like bye, you know what I mean?

Yeah, But I don't think fans would. I feel like fans wouldn't want that, though I think that they want him to come I think when fans say they want him to come back, I think it's in terms of.

Yeah, I do yeah, because the truth is it was written.

Really well for many, many seasons, and so people obviously were very invested.

Those are two characters that I thought were, yeah.

You know, going to have babies and do the whole thing, which is really strange for Grace, not me, and stupid because everyone explosions happen. But but selfishly I don't want him to come back.

But as an actress, don't you want drama. You don't want happily ever after. That's boring. If you and link just fall in love and get together and you live happily ever after this, that's not interesting or exciting to play, right.

Well, these versions of it that are exciting to play. I think there's lots of things within a relationship that are exciting to play, and we don't.

Have to always blow every relationship up. Sometimes.

I think that like another love triangle is actually more boring because you have so many of them on different shows, So be interested to see, like, what is it like with two best friends.

I don't know, like there's I think there's arguments for and against. I like the idea of him coming back and Joe being like, no, I've moved on from you, and then him being in the hospital having to watch it. I kind of like that the tension of them.

Don't you think though, that most a lot of fans would be hoping that they get back together.

I don't see. We did that with cal Zona. We did that with Arizona and Cali, and we like barely got it at the end where they were like, yeah, we're gonna go to New York last minute, but we're like, that's true.

But like Jackson in April, we kind of have these moments where like this happens again.

So I don't know.

I don't know.

I'd like to see that in the series finale. So whenever that I.

Want dead Sam to come back, well, well.

He might on the beach, on the beach, anything's possible. He might. Yeah. When you because you and your husband are both actors, right, yes? Is there. I'm curious because my my girlfriend's a singer and actress and I'm not so when she goes to do work things that are just work, I'm always like hmm, how was it, like, like, because y'all are both in the industry, is there any of that because like when you talk about like, oh, I had really good chemistry with him.

Is it like is that awkward or is it just kind of like No, I think it's like a super technical It becomes like a super technical thing because I think that he understands what I mean by good chemistry because if he goes, like he's working on a show right now, So if he comes home and he's and I say, I ask him like, do you guys have chemistry?

And he'll be like, yeah, yeah, we you know, or he'll be like I don't you know, and.

It's not I think the understanding is I'm not saying like do you want to bang that m Yeah.

And I'm not.

I think he knows that that's not what I'm saying too. It's just a very it just becomes a very technical like y'all just.

Get it because you're both in it. Yeah, yeah, maybe it would help because don't you feel like you have co host chemistry? Yeah, but we're not kissing or making out or having like sex scenes.

That's true, but your job together this this as much as that is, like, yes, I'm kissing something, I get that, but it's still our job. And so it's a version of even what you guys have, because you might get on a show with somebody else and not. Yeah, so it's like whatever that means to you guys, it's.

That version for us. That's nice. It's nice that we're making out.

And you know, it would be so hard for me to date, to date an actor, you.

Think, so, yeah, I think if you're not an actor, it would be very That's what I'm saying. I think I think that both of you having that is probably makes it easier because I mean.

Your girlfriend have to go and make out with people on own show, like she does.

Her music videos like We're he directs them and she's on them, and there's you know, love stories and makeouts and whatever, and I'm just like, have fun at work. See you. If you were like and I'm going to go to work and make out, yeah, if I was like, if I was you and I was like, oh, I gotta go, Jesse Williams, actually have a so I'll see you tonight for dinner, right like that, I'd feel great

So we had to go two days with it.

Yeah yeah, well no, that would be weird. I was like, we're on day two of this one kiss. You just can't get right. Really, I can't seem to the angles not right, the lighting there, just miss my light every time. It's so strange. No, that doesn't happen, but I do. I understand it. Yeah.

Yeah, and the optics of it are hard. But also I'm on an ABC show and so it's very different.

Yeah.

My husband and I weren't even dating when I was on California Occasion, and I think that like when you're butt naked having like your own Game of Thrones.

With John, you know, like it's a different situation.

I mean, I'm on our show. I'm like having sex and a onesie. It's like it's like it's not very raunchy, it's not like Yeah, so I think he's probably thankful of any show that I'm on.

It's been like an ABC show.

You've kind of become the Queen Bee of Grays.

Yeah, we were talking about this.

Yeah, like that way, like I think obviously it was Meredith Gray for so like Ellen Pompeo for so long because it was Grey's anatomy. Yeah, but now that she's kind of taken like a back seat, I kind of feel like you are the new like Queen Bee on the show. Yeah, and like off the show like I was when I was watching, you were doing these commercials, You're doing all these Instagram face backstage.

Really, I've never heard that, really like.

I feel like you are the new, the new Queen.

It does feel right. I've been waiting to say that it's true, though I've never heard that. I don't know if that's true.

I think it is.

Really. Yeah, I don't embrace it.

It's good because if I watch the.

Show, it's not like I don't feel like Joe is like centered on the show as like in the same way.

You know. Oh, I was going to ask you about this because when you said you went back and watch old episodes. Yeah, because when I watch it now, I've actually been watching some older episodes. But when I watch it now, I feel like there's so many storylines that are happening all at once within the hour that it's like you don't get to like, you don't there's not

You know?

Did you feel do you feel that when you watch old episodes? I think it depends on like the show.

We've had different people kind of run the show over the years, and so I can see the transition from like Stacy who kind of like to have storyline, you know, if you had to fight in an episode, like it would extend for a long time, and then Christ is different, you know, and then Tony and Joan, and so I think it's a different There are different points in time on the show where it's a different style, which is really interesting to watch. But even now, like in the finale,

We have going on?

So many?

So many? Yeah, but I did I did feel like in the finale. Maybe it was because it was the solid two hours, but I felt like there there was like wrap ups of like most of the things that happened at the end, so it didn't feel like too open ended. But when I I just feel like there's more characters or something, so many No, now oh now there yeah, yeah, so.

You're feeling now ye're not back in the day, you were saying back in the day, there are so many stories. They're saying, now, yeah, that makes more sense to me.

I agree, No, no, no, I do feel that way. Now.

Yes, I feel like there's a lot. But I think that especially this season, we had to we bought on new people, right, so we have to establish them and hopefully have fans invested. Yeah, and so it does like naturally what happens is it splits up camera time right for everybody, and then hopefully, you know, people end up being How do you guys feel about the new interns? You're not invested, y out or you're invested kind of

Yeah, I'm actually interested in her storyline with Helm, like I I hope that there's like some development there. It felt a little rut like the finale it was like, oh, you're my day, We're gonna kiss it. It felt like a little rush, But I'm like hopefully there's some something there.

But do you like because I it's so interesting because we read the script, we have a you know, a table read, and then I'm watching it at the same time with everybody else the first time, and so some people's chemistry. I'm like, I have no idea what it's really like, and I feel like little Shepherd and Yes have really cute chemistry.

I was so into that, and then I got really bothered by the guy coming back and proposing engagement and like ruining it. It really threw me.

I have to mess with it right, like it can't go well okay, but that's what I'm saying. That felt rush. It was like all of a sudden he comes in. We're like, who is this guy? And then he by the end of the episode, he's proposed to her and we're like, wait, wait what We're just you know what I'm saying. But I will say I really like I like them together. I'm glad she went back to Adams. But yeah, I feel like they the new interns to me, seems so young to me compared to like when we

I don't. They're a little bit younger in real life. But actually my intern class was younger than this intern class. We were We're like twenty eight, twenty five something like that. Yeah, and they I just think that they probably maybe look a little bit younger than we looked perhaps, or.

They're all like the storylines that where they seem a little more like lost.

Yeah that's true. Wait maybe Yeah, this is like kind of random but not so random. Teddy's gonna be fine, right, Oh.

That's a that was Cliff high I I do you think I can honestly like say that on this show right now?

Well, she's signed on for next season, so she's got to be fine. Because she's signed on for a new season.

That doesn't mean she she still has If she signed on, she can still be laying in a bed while they're trying to save her.

Yeah you could technically, I guess to be killed off like episode two.

Oh you're right, yeah, I know.

I saw that and everyone was like, hah, they spoiled it.

She has a new contract, and I was like, oh, that was me. I saw you. I saw your tweet. Yeah, I like, how tonya trying to slide that in there? She's like, I did want to ask you, is Teddy gonna list?

Just trying to catch it on huge just a huge spoiler, that main spoiler, that main storyline.

You know what, last time you were here, you told us how Kevin McKidd was like really awesome, and we were telling you how we hated Owen.

We just like, yeah, I hate So we had Kevin McKidd on the podcast.

Did you tell.

You know what?

Kevin has his own gripes about Owen too.

Well, he was so cool about it, like he was so YEA loved him. Yeah, he really turned me. And now I'm like an Owen Stan.

No, you're not, You're not an Owen Stan.

You know what I was?

You like Kevin mckinn. You're right correct, Yeah, but I was.

I did not differentiate them for many many years. They were one and the same.

Yeah, we did have a hard time with that.

But now I'm so into him, which makes me enjoy the show more.

Yeah.

I think it's hard sometimes to like differentiate like the care because if you meet someone in real life and they're like terrible, Yeah, then that character that you used to like, oh so, I mean I'm sure he has swung it a little bit back in his own direction.

He was so funny about it too, That's what really.

Yeah, he really embraced me. He did embrace the news.

Yeah, well, I mean Kevin if you like what's great about Kevin?

And I love this.

I feel like everyone's kind of like this is that as actors we own like, yeah, my god, they make terrible mistakes and why would they do that?

Yeah?

And he was like, did you feel bad when Teddy cheated on me?

I was like, no, you.

Funny, It was really funny.

Who's your best friend?

Like?

Who do you have a best friend on set? Like, I know you said that you and Chris are good friends, really good friends.

Are our families in the pandemic like basically potted up together?

Yeah?

So our little girls are really close. So I Kai is a year older than Hayden, and they're really close, and we do like Disneyland together, and you know, I mean, now everything's opened back up and they moved a little bit further away, so it's hard to get together and we moved too. But I think that Kim Raver is like my best girlfriend on set. I feel like I could knock on her trailer door and be like Oh my god, I'm having a terrible like I could tell her anything.

Yeah, I just love her.

Yeah, we.

Love Kim. I love Teddy, like I love the character Teddy, but like Kim Raver was like amazing on the podcast. I was like, she is so cool. Yeah, she's so fun. Yeah, I feel like she's like a girl's girl, Like she's just great.

But to be honest, like, and we talk about this all the time, and we've talked about this again because we've had new people joints. Never know actors are we're all crazy, like it's coming on. So we had interns join and everyone's awesome. It was wild that we have a cast of like fifteen seven, twenty five I don't know, and everyone's like really genuinely great and there's not like any like actress like rivalry or anything like that on our show. It's kind of bizarre.

Well that's great because in the past, Grace has kind of been known for.

There you were, you the peacemaker. You were the peacemaker. I don't think that's what happened to the Queen what'd you call it, the Queen Queen, Yeah, the Queen Bee.

Yeah, yeah, you implied earlier that you might have a story from the table read for the finale. I wanted to make sure we heard that.

If there is one, Oh, I just well it was our from the finale. It was our very first time in person since the pandemic, so we hadn't been in p've been on Zoom and you guys, you would be We're so embarrassing as a cast on Zoom, Like it's like we have like AOL dial up, like nobody, like we can't get anything to work. So our table reads are always kind of terrible because like people's sound cuts out.

It was amazing.

Shonda showed up, didn't tell us that she was was gonna be there, so shot on MS showed up for the finale, which was like, it still makes me nervous to like read in front of her because I'm like, oh my god, Yeah, it's just talking about Queen Bee.

I mean, like Shonda Rhymes.

But it was so emotional, and I don't think I realized how emotional. Like, I know you're not a fan of this Link speech, but like that speech that Link gives her, Like I was just like in tears in the final and it was just the chemistry between everyone was incredible.

It's just awesome. I just loved it.

Yeah, if you want Joan Link to be together, I'll like it.

If he does something bad, then I'll be back on the show being like.

No, screw him. I'm team Joe always. Yeah, goes down badly, Remember she kills everyone, She's still team Joe. Still Joe. There's a reason for it, you know what I mean.

I've always been team Joe too, Like, I've never strayed from from you as a character.

I've always liked even since day one.

Yeah, you haven't really done anything. I don't think it's a season that I am less Team Joe.

The season where and I think I just didn't really understand the reason behind what she was doing. But there's a season where her and Jerika Stephanie best friend on the show back then she had a friend. It was really really nice.

She runned.

She was just like kind of rude to her for a few episodes, and I remember thinking like why like that and that, and when things don't make sense to me, it has a kind of makes sense to me. It didn't make sense to me that she was just suddenly being rude to her. I was last team Joe during that season. Interesting but in general, yeah, did you like her? Yeah, she was having an off time.

Yeah, we all have her off moment. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, she wasn't great. You okay, we always ask I don't know if you asked this last time. If you get to you get to choose your exit. You get the note, Hey, Joe is a goner, whether it's death or just an exit. What's your ideal goodbye for Joe Wilson.

There's a part of me, oh my god, I shouldn't say this. There's a part because of Ridles be like, yes, there's a part of me that like, the dramatic death is kind of iconic, right, yeah, but I don't want to see that dramatic death myself of her. I get it, like I kind of you know. And also I think it is nice to be able to come back on the show and make a surprise entrance again, which obviously is done if you're unless the beach happens again, and then.

You never know, you never know. I would love it if I have two versions of it.

I would love it if Addison came back and was like, come with me to private practice and Joe went and worked with Addison, or Jessica Capshaw came back and I was like, I want to see you fetal surgery and she went off.

With Arizona and then they fell in love.

I mean, I never know, you never know.

I don't think you know. It's funny because I have a lot of people.

Addison and Addie and I did a scene, a couple of scenes together this season. We performed an abortion, which is the first, like by the way, step by step on screen medical abortion that has ever been shown, which is kind of amazing, surgical abortion. And people started to like really like the idea of Joe and her together

No, no, and I never said it and I fell in love with a woman. You just sometimes you don't know.

I don't know.

Yeah, so I mean never say never.

Writers better, This is better than link.

You don't like I'm gonna call Chris on the way out. These girls are not a fan. We really like Chris.

Yes, Chris on the show and his wife in the pandemic.

So it was like, you have Chris and his wife. Yeah, are they so cute? They're so cute.

It was over zoom because it was during the pandemics. It wasn't like they were great.

I feel like i'd feel comped. I feel comfortable being like I don't I think Joe can do better.

Yeah, I would tell Joe's face too, because you're fans of the show.

I mean this, we see this.

By the way, if I open up Twitter, I would have a million opinions.

I don't think so you think so well? Like when she told Kevin McKidd that she hated and I was like, I have.

To tell him.

I've been talking on the podcast for three years about how much I hate this character and he's on the show.

I felt like I had to tell him, You tell him? She said it was ready to go. Yeah.

I kind of was like, it felt good, it's actually really felt good to get it.

Off my chart. And then it felt healing. He like acknowledged it and like we can move on to Yes, we can, and we did and we moved on together, and it's so very like healing in a way.

Now she's in Owen Stan.

So Joe, I feel like Joe could be with you know, Oh.

My gosh, that would be the best.

That would be epic.

I hope someone's hope, someone important is listening right now. Yeah, yeah, let him know.

How did you know was on? Did she mention that on the seate.

She was on and that she had so much fun with you guys? Wow? Yeah, the words out on you. No. We always joke and wonder if you'll talk about like if anyone who's been on our because we've had a lot of the cast on our podcast, so we wonder if it's they're like all these girls are insane or.

Don't do whatever you do, don't scrubbing in.

Yeah, she had so much fun. Yeah, I would love to. We had a lot of these people on zoom on zoom, so it would be fun to have every right, Oh, yeah, you got to come in. It's better.

Yeah, it's better. It's way better.

It's way better. Yeah, you're our favorite, even though we've had the Queen Bee of Grays and scrubbing in well, a crown for you on this God, it's so upsetting. It's like it's just like the shape of it is what it hurts hurts, you know.

I don't think we've told the listeners what you're referring to.

Sorry, it's a pillow shaped head, and we have a lot of the O G. Grays cast members sid shaped pillow.

It's not a pillow shape shaped pillow.

A lot of the O G.

Grays cast members heads and so last time you were in studio, you so great graciously signed it for us.

It's the shape have a potato, I guess is what Yeah, I love about it is the amount of zoom. Yeah.

It's literally just like my eyeball, no hair, no hair, zero hair, there's no forehead, the chin's gone.

Good.

Yeah, we love you, thank you for coming in. I'm so happy. I got to be here for this round, and we can't wait for next season to see what happens for Joe Wilson. And we are team Joe Forever and Team Camilla.

Book you for May of twenty four. We can do the same.

What's fun is actually listening back to how much things change so I can be on the show like complete listen.

I could be dating Arizona Robins. You never know, I know, don't.

I found that to be When I was listening back to your old episode, I was like, wow, so much has changed.

It's so crazy.

I know. Well, thank you, thank you, thank you being back. So fun