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Speaker 1: His merciful and gracious, slow to anger, rich in kindness and fidelity.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Scripture for your inner outcasts. It's Sunday, May 31st, 2026. The solemnity of the Most Holy Trinity. Today is a special Sunday episode of Scripture for your inner outcasts, as we are joined by both doctor Jerry Creed and Doctor Peter Malinowski, the co-founders of Souls and Hearts. They will be offering a joint reflection on today's readings.
Speaker 3: All right. It is May 31st, 2026, the solemnity of the Most Holy Trinity. And it is good to be with all your listeners, and especially with all you exiled parts in the listening audience today. It's so good to have you with us. Thank you for being here. And thank you to, for protectors to, for allowing those exiles to be here. And thank you, dear doctor Jerry, for being here on this amazing feast.
Speaker 1: Great to be here.
Speaker 3: So I, you know, I want to kind of start out here with the second reading. All right. So this is from second Corinthians. It reads, brothers and sisters, rejoice, mend your ways, encourage one another, agree with one another, live in peace. And the God of love and peace will be with you. Greet one another with a holy kiss. And I was thinking, what a beautiful image. Not just for the Christian community, the fledgling Christian community, or for our Catholic Church right now, but also taking it inside, you know, Saint Maximus, you know, that that inner microcosm of the macrocosm. What would it be like if all of our parts encouraged one another, agreed with one another, lived in peace inside? And I was just curious if if that resonates with you, or if that was something that sort of leapt out at you as well?
Speaker 1: Well, yes, to some extent. I was actually focused on the two other readings. Um, but I do think I like the sort of mending your ways. Like it's not a condemnation. It's, but it's not asking, you know, exiles to hide their brokenness, but mend. Mhm. Right. And so to me, there's a hope in that, right? The broken parts can be mended that, you know, setting a bone is painful, but it's in the service of healing, not punishment. And I think our exiles need to hear that.
Speaker 3: And I was thinking about, you know, this is this is if you take this inside. Yeah. It's about parts coming to love one another. And that implies parts coming to understand one another, you know, to be attuned to one another. We need the innermost self for that. We need grace for that. And then when we have that, it becomes so much easier to bring this to other people.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, I kind of was leaping between Exodus and, and the gospel. And what I thought was interesting with the Exodus story is this is the second time that Moses goes up to the mountain with the tablets. The first time he got the tablets, he comes down and he finds them all worshiping the golden calf and gets mad, breaks the tablets, the whole business, right? And so now he's going back. You know, it's interesting to me, you know, exiles carry a lot of shame about their failures, about their specific sins, their moments when they have betrayed or yes, there's consequence for that. And yes, the system, you know, is shaken by that. But but it's still there's this, there's this hope, right? It's not the end of the story that God is still, it says he's merciful and gracious, slow to anger, rich in kindness and fidelity. So we've got God being, you know, presenting here as merciful. Right. So he's extending mercy to parts. He's gracious. You know, this grace is not earned. The exiles didn't have to do anything to earn it. Uh, he's slow to anger. So he, you know, Moses got angry, and maybe God was too. But in this story. But he's forgiving and but he's not quick to anger, and he's always willing to be kind. So I just, I, I guess I just really love that, you know, second chance, if you will. Mhm. And, and I think that then to jump to the Gospels. Right.
Speaker 3: Well, before we do that, can we stay with here just for one line that caught my attention.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And this is where this is where Moses says to God, if I find favor with you, O Lord, do come along in our company. And I just was so struck by that because Moses is inviting God to come along with the Israelites. And he's not saying, oh, yeah, we have got to go along with you. We've got to join you. He's inviting God to join them, which is a company of stiff necked people, as he says, that has engaged in wickedness and sins. Like, it's like, kind of like, come join us where we're at. Can you meet us where we're at? Or do we, you know, or do we have to go find you where you're at? You know? So I just thought that was really striking when I read it this time.
Speaker 1: So yeah.
Speaker 3: No. Yeah. So.
Speaker 1: Um, and just to link that whole story of, of Moses and, and the tablets and going back a second time to, you know, John. Right. Um, saying God so loved the world that he gave his only son not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved. You know, we've heard that maybe a million times. But if you look at it from the perspective of our exiles, they're the worst part. They're the darkest part. They're the most broken, unlovable part of the whole system. And the message in this gospel is God loved the world in its brokenness. He loved it in its exile from him. He loved it before it turned back. The exile is not excluded from the world. The exile is perhaps the most centrally important, the world that that is being referred to here, and that he gives his own son. So God, God doesn't just send like a representative. He starts with, yeah, John the Baptist and all that, right? He's not just sending a message or an instruction. He gives his only son. Nothing is being held back. God is giving fully to, well, every part of us, but maybe in a special way to our exiles. And so it's really this message of, of God's presence with us and our inmost selves, presence within the system, to our exiles, right? It's this presence, it's this gift of unreserved presence. And, and to me, that's what the Trinity is. You know, that the three persons of the Trinity being a a forever love relationship with each other and not forever love relationship is being extended out now to us, especially to our exiles.
Speaker 3: And there you see in God Himself that multiplicity and that unity and the love within God. And we're made in his image and likeness in all of our being. It's not just some parts are made in God's image and likeness, and other parts are not. No, all of us. And so we're invited into that integration and into that love within our own systems to, you know, God loves himself, and nobody calls that selfish or self-absorbed. We are to love ourselves too. And one of the beautiful things about ordered self-love in Saint Thomas Aquinas gets into this. Anthony Flood gets into this, is that you exiles are meant to be loved. Yeah. And, you know, one of the beautiful things that can happen in a system is when there's enough freedom for the innermost self and for other parts to love the exiles. And then in receiving that love, exiles can begin to reflect that love back to. They can add their music to the, to the, to the harmony. They can add their instrument to the symphony of loving. And that's what we're called to. We're called to be loved and to love. And that includes every part of us. And there's a unity in that and a multiplicity in that, just like there's a unity in the Trinity and a multiplicity to the Trinity.
Speaker 1: I would say to every exile that's still in that locked room that we talked about last week, uh, you know, come out to the exiles, come toward the light. You won't be condemned. You will be saved by coming out. You will be saved. You know, it's a beautiful message.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. And if that room still feels locked, like if it feels like the exile wants to come, like if you want to come out, but it feels like it's still locked, then some work might just have to happen with some of those, um, some protector parts, you know? But I would say also the protector parts, are you willing to take the risk of what happens when an exile comes into the light, when an exile comes into the love? Can you believe that there will be good things that happen?
Speaker 2: If today's episode resonates with you, you can find similar content at Souls and hearts.com/content. Thanks for joining us and we hope to see you again tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Beautiful. With that, let's draw this to a close by invoking our patroness and our patrons, Our Lady, our mother. Untier of knots, pray for us, Saint Joseph.
Speaker 1: Pray for.
Speaker 3: Us. Saint John the Baptist.
Speaker 1: Pray for us.
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