252 Embrace the Disorganization in the Journey to Integration

Transcript Speaker 1: May the eyes of your hearts be enlightened. Speaker 2: Welcome to Scripture for your inner outcasts. Today is the seventh Sunday of Easter in the transferred feast of the Ascension of the Lord. Today is a special Sunday episode of Scripture for your inner outcasts, as we are joined by both doctor Jerry Creed and Doctor Peter Malinowski, the co-founders of Souls and Hearts. They will be offering a joint reflection on today's readings. Speaker 3: Doctor Jerry, we are back. Your innermost self. My innermost self. All our managers, all our firefighters, all our exiles, all our parts. We are here today celebrating the feast of the Ascension of our Lord. And we've got some really interesting readings today, uh, and some, some, some aspects of this that really speak to exiles. And so as usual, I'm going to just clear the decks, open the field up here. Whatever you've got for us, dear doctor Jerry. All right. All right. Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, this is so interesting, right? And even in the psalm, you know, it's all about celebrating, right? About God mounting his throne. And so Jesus is going to, you know, the heavens and all of that. And, you know, I'm fascinated because the apostles in acts are like, Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom? Speaker 3: You know. Speaker 1: Like they're they're asking about that. Like they've been thinking through all the Gospels, right? Or pretty much all of them. There's a kingdom coming. And so they're expecting an earthly kingdom change or the, you know, the Romans to be pulled out, you know, conquered or something like that. And they even though he's died and come back, like they're still kind of asking that. Right. And then he leaves them. Speaker 3: Right. Speaker 1: Right. And so I'm thinking, you know, of course, it's this glorious moment, but I'm thinking like, this is going to hit exiles like abandonment. You know, this is a this is. Speaker 3: Actually a. Speaker 1: Moment of loss, a sense in which the, you know, Jesus, who we had lost in a sense in his crucifixion, right and right. And then he comes back and he reassures them all and, oh yeah, now the kingdom is really going to happen. This is amazing. And then he goes like, I thought it was really interesting. Like the disciples are staring at the sky. Speaker 3: Like they're. Speaker 1: Frozen. They're having a fight like a like fight, flight, freeze. They're having a freeze response and they're unable to move, you know, so that, you know, an exile is often, you know, often frozen in time or frozen in a moment in history and, you know, stuck there. There's actually like, possibly like an attachment rupture right here going on, at least for some of the exiles, the parts of the apostles. And then you have these, I think they're angels. They just say, these men dressed in white. I'm assuming they're angels. And they say, why are you standing there looking at the sky? So they're like confronting a little bit that freeze response and they're just kind of going, you know, what is it? You know, this is actually a scary moment. And, and Jesus had said, like, in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit. And we know Pentecost is coming, right? But they don't know really what that means. And you know, he isn't abandoning them. Truly. They're he is sending the Paraclete. But I'm sure that they don't really know that. And even in Matthew 28, when we were the gospel like it says, they worshiped, but they doubted. Speaker 3: They doubted. Speaker 1: Yeah, they doubt like they're unsure. Um, and they're not aligned. Like there's a, um, the, the 11 right that are left, they're, they're not really one thing. They're not a monolith. They're, I'm sure there's just different kinds of confusion going on. And so there's no one right response to this experience. It's contradictory, right? It's, it's our parts all being confused and doubting and wondering, all this kind of. Speaker 3: Thing. Speaker 1: And the exile parts kind of going, Jesus, I want you to stay. You know, they're scared, you know, and they're asking, are you going to restore the kingdom now? Like I said, you know, so they have this urgency, this sense of unmet expectations. They're, they're it's very, you know, they've just had the crucifixion. So they're still carrying that trauma. Sure. So this is like, it sounds like an amazing event. And there's a part of me thinking of the exiles and going, whoa, I bet this is hard. Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I totally I totally agree with you. And I think this is one of those places in the gospel where parts are just so clear because it says when they saw him, they worshiped, but they doubted. Right. So it sort of describes that split inside, you know, kind of like parts on board with the worship parts on board with the doubting, you know, and that tension inside. Um, but yeah, so you've got the two accounts of the Ascension I was also touched by the, uh, the men in white, as the gospel puts it, to two men dressed in white garments who reassure the apostles. This Jesus who has been taken up from you into heaven, will return, will return. Right? So there's the sort of promise. And they've had a promise of Jesus return already fulfilled, right, with the resurrection, right? But man, it takes some getting used to for parts to believe that our beloved ones, our attachment figures, will return. Yeah. Speaker 1: Well, and in Matthew, it's sort of interesting because it fits so well. Even though this is happening, the event in Matthew's is happening well, like before the crucifixion. It really does fit here. You know, the way the readings come together, you know, he's on a mountain and and they worship like you said, and they doubt it. So yeah, they have this inner conflict. And Jesus says, all power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. And go therefore and make disciples of all nations. So he's basically saying, I want you to go out. He's scattering them, right? He's sending them out. Right. Which I think that we have that experience of being like, ooh, um, I feel close to God or I feel close to somebody or parents, whatever. And now we're being called to go out and do something. And that is frightening. And our exiles can be frightened and scared by that. But then he also says, you know, and behold, this is so beautiful. This is how it ends. I am with you always, always till the end of the age. So he gives them that secure base, you know, it's so beautiful. Speaker 3: Well, and he does in acts here in acts one, he talks about how you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, throughout Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth. Right? So last week we were talking about Philip going to Samaria, right? That's like the fulfillment of this. That was in acts eight. We're now in acts one where that's being foretold. You know, Philip remembered this, Philip remembered this, you know, and and chose to go to Samaria. One of the things that comes out of this for me, doctor Jerry, is that it it's often just really messy. This isn't going to necessarily be really tidy. The understanding is going to be far from perfect. We're going to have to grow into the call that that God has for us. There's a lot of of it not being tidy. Speaker 1: And then there's the line that I know that you noticed as well in Ephesians. And, and I think it's powerful that he, you know, here we have Paul, right? And he's telling about this spirit coming, and his line, May the eyes of your hearts be enlightened, you know, and then it goes on that that you may know what is the hope that belongs to his call, that fear that the exiles may have right of having to be sent out. And all the messiness, like you're saying, that comes along with it. Our eyes are enlightened, the eyes of our heart, not just our eyes. Eyes of our heart. Right? That is amazing. So in other words, it's a deeper spiritual seeing that's going to be so powerful that it will give you hope. You know, the hope that belongs to this call, which, uh, what are the riches of glory? His inheritance that what is surpassing greatness? This hope is what is going to allow. These are the apostles that's going to allow each one of us to take this journey wherever it may lead. And even if our exiles are scared, or even if we're going somewhere we don't know, uh, and we don't really know what to expect in your heart, there will be an enlightenment that is going to give you hope and that it is going to be powerful. It's, you know, worked in Christ and like links it to the raising of Christ from the dead and seated him at the right hand of the heavens, just like the Ascension. This is big. And, and that is a comforting, powerful thing within our hearts to hold on to. Speaker 3: It's, it's amazing when our exiles can be more integrated, because I think they can also help us in situations like. Are described here in the Ascension to have a deep sense of or to have a deep sense of wonder. You know, that's not something that at least my managers are able to come up with on their own. You know, they tend to be very, um, much more limited vision. But I think sometimes our, our exiles carry with them that childlike capacity for awe and wonder. But, you know, you can see how there'd be a tension inside, but with the fear, right, with the uncertainty, with the not knowing, with the not understanding, right. Because the eyes of the heart might not be yet enlightened, you know, might not yet be clear. Speaker 1: Well, it says the full in that same Ephesians, but before the fullness of the one who fills all things in every way. This is to me there's this this sounds like wholeness, right? This sounds like self energy. You know, this sounds like grace. This is like the integration of, you know, that will allow you to, um, face whatever the post, you know, the, the, uh, mission is this what this great commission calls us to, um, we will have the self led, you know, uh, action, we will self led ability to manage our various parts, including the exiles through whatever may come. Speaker 3: This is so great. It's so good to be with you, doctor Jerry to, to experience, uh, you know, kind of the working through of these, of these scripture readings for, for the different masses and, to to offer something to you exiles. You know that that is beyond our capacity to understand. It goes way beyond our five senses. It goes way beyond, you know, our our limited comprehension. And so it's just a beautiful thing to be able to appreciate that and to take a moment out, to consider what that might be like and how all of us, you know, every fiber of our being is called into that, not just some parts of us, but not others. Yeah. Speaker 2: If today's episode resonates with you, you can find similar content at Souls and hearts.com/content. Thanks for joining us, and we hope to see you again tomorrow. Speaker 3: With that, we'll draw this to a close by invoking our patroness and our patrons, Our Lady, our mother, Untier of knots, pray for us, Saint Joseph. Speaker 1: Pray for. Speaker 3: Us. Saint John the Baptist, pray for us.