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3-31-26 Scott Sloan Show

Mar 31, 20261 hr 33 min
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Scott talks with attorney Steve Goodin about the Alex Tchervinski trial, which starts today. Also attorney Jack Greiner helps break down the Meta verdict. Finally Holly Adams explains why we should fear the IRS more than ICE.

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Speaker 1

Do you want to be an American?

Speaker 2

Do you know how hard is to say this is one of the most bizarre stories we've ever seen in Cincinnati.

Speaker 3

You know how hard that is in the city of ours.

Speaker 2

Welcome to its Scott Sloan back on seven hundred W GOL, the man beaten down twenty had beaten twenty eight times last summer, who is also facing criminal charges, is supposed to have his day in court today. That would be Alex Tchravinsky, his trial charged with disorderly conduct after what happened in July. Back on fourth and ALM. It's been delayed and delayed and delayed again and after a last

minute continuance, but today allegedly is the day. Today is the day he will be in court and on that as attorney Steve Gooden on the show on seven hundred WLW Steve, welcome, how are you look?

Speaker 1

Good morning, fantastic?

Speaker 3

This is gonna happen today.

Speaker 2

I just feel like something is They're gonna go well, we need more time, right because last time in this really odd case, the prosecution's key witness face to appear. He said he or she said, there's fear for safety there after misinformation, Len and believe he'd be identified as an FBI informant, and they got a continuance on that, and I judge said, okay, this is the last one.

But how does misinformation the prosecution failed to manage become grounds to delay a defendant who is ready for trial.

Speaker 4

Yeah, you know, look, this is probably the most litigated misdemeanor disorderly conduct charge in American history, so nothing would surprise me. But I do know you know this judge a bit, and I think he's going to put his foot down today and make.

Speaker 1

The trial go forward.

Speaker 4

Also, I would note it is a very rare instance in which is going to be a jury trial for misdemeanor disorderly conduct. It's kind of a rare instance where that's even allowed. So I presumably the jury commissioner has brought in perspective jurors, and I think that is typically a factor for a judge when he grants a continuance, if the jurors are really ready to go, doesn't want to inconvenience them. So I would bet that today is finally the day for the most litigated, disportless kind.

Speaker 1

Of strategy perhaps in the history of the Republic.

Speaker 2

We've had a lot of We've had a lot of bizarre cases come through Cincinnata. There's always some if something bizarre is going on, there's always a tie to Cincinnati, and often we have crazy stuff happening here. But this is uh, this has got to be at the top of that list. All right, So final continuance. But do we even know are they going to produce this this mystery witness and what happens the case if they don't.

Speaker 4

Well, if they don't, I mean, they presumably have other witnesses.

Speaker 1

So I mean it's just really kind of a sad.

Speaker 4

Commentary on the state of the city that, of course, if you have a street brawl in Cincinnati, either may be may or may not be an FBI. And for him at just standing around in the crowd, uh, you know, whether he was an afoormant or not. I think I think they concluded he was not, but but some thought he was. So I mean, you know, even that that adds another level of uh bizarreness and uh, you know, flexity to the whole thing. But presumably they have other witnesses.

I mean, what they've got to show here is kind of weird. So disorderly conduct in this case is defined and I quote by engaging in fighting or threatening harm, by making unreasonable noises or using offensively coarse language or gestures. And in order to get the more serious form of it that actually carries jail time, I mean, typically it's just a payout ticket. You have to show that there was persistent conduct.

Speaker 1

You know, that way. So that's what they've got a show.

Speaker 4

So they're going to need to put on quite a few witnesses, and I'm assuming they're going to try to authenticate and play this video. I guess there's video from multiple different angles, security cameras, celf phoned stuff, social media, things of that nature. So you know, certainly they're going to be able to at least put on a basic

case with the video alone. Now that said, his lawyers said he's going to argue self defense, you know, because he says he has been he was struck at least twenty eight times and allegedly had some cognitive issues right afterwards. And I guess he did give some statements to the police, but he's going to argue I think that those statements were affected by being hit in the head repeatedly. And also I'm assuming his lawyer is going to go here.

If I were his lawyer, I'd be going very heavily into the decision to charge mister Travinsky because he is listed as a victim and witness in multiple felony cases from the other individuals who struck he and this lady known as Holly, who was knocked unconscious and beaten very badly. So he is both a victim and now a very and a witness and now a defendant. And he was only charged many, many many months later after there have been press conferences and so forth, and prothlague game in

Lynch and some leaders in the black community. You thought that he needed to be charged based upon seeing the videos. So there is some stink on the case from that point of view as to whether or not he was capegoated. So I think you've got a lot for this jury to consider. I feel sorry for this jury because they probably got him paneled their dead at the courthouse, thinking my god, we may have a homicide trial or some

serious case involving a you know, a large lawsuit. This is going to be fascinating, and instead they're going to be dissecting a street brawl from different different angles for three or four days.

Speaker 1

So God bless them.

Speaker 2

There the two detectives who spent literally one hundreds of hours on game, they wouldn't sign the charges against Alex Ttravinsky. They were threatened, I guess with the motion, and the captain, who, by the way, is now the interim police chief, Adam Henney, signed it to protect his office. What's that tell you about the strength of the case when the investigators won't put their names on.

Speaker 4

Well, you know, it's I mean, I think it's pretty obvious it's not the best case in the world. I mean that being said, you know, it is a jury trial, so you know, anything can happen in a jury trial. As we always say, it's not like, you know, jurors can have a different view of what the community standard should be for a case like this, So you just

you never know. And there is a question as to how much the judge is going to let the attorneys get into that kind of background about how it was charged, and how much the jurors are.

Speaker 1

Going to know.

Speaker 4

Folks like you and I are pretty plugged into this. The average citizen in Hamilton County may not recall that level of detail.

Speaker 1

And if the.

Speaker 4

Judge rules that are truly not relevant to whether or not the crime was committed. He may keep some of that information from the jurors, so we don't know what they will actually know. But if they hear that, it's going to really hurt the case. And surely they're going to be allowed to know that he was assaulted, that he got the worst of this and it's bad.

Speaker 1

Now.

Speaker 4

Now, if I'm Alex Jrminsky's lawyer, the biggest thing I would worry about is this. It's what I would call the Victoria Parks factor. I mean, she did say she was a former city council member who famously said that these quote deserve to get be down. There are people who may look at this and think, you know, nobody here covered themselves and glory.

Speaker 1

They were all out.

Speaker 4

Drinking at two three in the morning in the middle of this thing, and there are there was a school thought that hey, you know he was down there mixed up in this in one way or another, and you know, and a pox on all their houses and everyone's guilty of something. I mean, there are people who would look at it that way. So you know, again we're well

afield of the law. It's really hard to apply the law and these kind of misdemeanor decisions because are kinds of cases because you know, engaging and fighting.

Speaker 1

I mean, it's you know, it's the language is both.

Speaker 4

It seems very specific, but actually when you think about it, it's very vague.

Speaker 1

It's the kind of.

Speaker 4

Thing that goes on in these worlds all the time. The jury is going to have a changeful well.

Speaker 2

I think also it shows you that the echo chamber is louder than the law in that this is exactly like the Nicholas Sandman thing from twenty nineteen where this young man from a cubcath is in DC on a high school trip, confronts Nathan Phillips, the Native American man who was protesting, and the initial reports were the he had and this would be Nick Sandman, the student had attacked and verbally attacked or looked down upon this Native American man, and it turns out the opposite was true.

Speaker 3

That he didn't walk up to him.

Speaker 2

The Native American elder man walked up to him and he just had like a staring contest, I guess, and was smiling at him. But all those people who attacked Nick Sandman then didn't retract what they said and said, hey, you know, at first Blush it looked like he was the aggressor, and it turns out the other man was

the aggressor. No one ever apologizes for these things. Same thing here is that it looked like, initially from the citizen video from the street videos, that it was Alex Stravinsky as the guy who committed the assault, when it turns out he was assaulted twenty eight times prior, including Holly. And the end result is, well, you know, we had all these people step up and say, hey, listen, you

charge everybody else weren't charging the white guy. And of course when the truth came out from the state a different story, no one apologized, and we've delayed this trial now forever. And I think that's part of it as well, because history makes your memory a little bit foggy, right, So all those things aside this charge here that ale Stravinsky was the aggressor, it turns out he was attacked.

That's even backed up by the state. The state's on timeline shows that how does that charge survive the self defense argument?

Speaker 1

Well, you know it likely won't.

Speaker 4

I mean, I you know, my prediction is that the most I think most people are going to go look at this and think, look this, I didn't deserve to be this assaulted the way he was, didn't deserve to have his life turned upside down with these criminal charges. I do predict that they'll find them not guilty. I mean, you know, the the only issue that I think they're going they're gonna pound on here is as the videos

I have seen. Again, I caution people all the time that these videos we see on Facebook and Twitter, you know, are often you know, selectively posted, edited and and and often don't have the full context of what happened. But there is this issue of what they're calling quote end quote the slap.

Speaker 1

It does look as though that after he.

Speaker 4

Was assaulted and walked away from the situation, that he did re engage with one individual and slap that individual. Now, whether that admits to some sort of quote persistent fighting, I don't know. Prosecutors that I know very well, as well as some of the police officers who looked at it, said look, you know, it's it's not a serious it's nothing,

you know, in the context of what happened. So I know a lot of very smart and experienced people looked at that particular part of the video and found it to be not something that would rise to the level of criminal conduct, particularly in the case of a guy who was the victim of a serious assault, and a

felony level assault at that by a large crowd. So but that, I think you're going to hear a lot of talk about this slap and where he looked as though there was a brief moment where he was at least in the clear and away from these individuals and then sort of re engaged. I think that's ultimately what they're going to have to hang their hat on for the prosecution. It's not much, and I do think most people are going to look at this fairly and say,

you know, there's nothing here. But again, and that said, you know, there may be other you know, the live witnesses are going to provide different contexts. We don't know what was said between these individuals. There have been all kinds of allegations and hints that racial slurs were being thrown around. We don't know that for a fact. That may change kind of how some folks look at this. I mean, there are there's an argument that that is

exceptionally disorderly. We do have this kind of concept of fighting words in Ohio. But also it's very interesting. I do think because of our new stand your ground laws. You know a lot of folks talk about those in the gun context, but they also sort of apply here. He doesn't really have a duty to retreat anymore. There used to be this argument in Ohio law for self defense that if you were under attack, you know, you did have some sort of duty to retreat.

Speaker 1

You really don't have that anymore.

Speaker 4

So I do think on balance, you know, he will likely be found not guilty, but you know, again who knows, and there may be evidence that we're not.

Speaker 5

Yeah.

Speaker 2

Well, I mean, if he's sound that guilty, it just gives more credence that the people got this wrong from the initial had a big press conference about it. We'll just say, well, it goes to show you how racially biased the court system is, despite of course, this case being heard by a jury of their peers, who will probably see the evidence. Ago Travinsky was the victim here and not the assailant. He was struck twenty eight times in the head and face concussion syndrome PTSD. He owned

a being in that fight and thrown the punch. He's a victim in this case, as well as a defendant. How hard is that for the prosecutor to not violate his constitutional rights. That's a pretty it seems to me to be a pretty narrow window to negotiate this.

Speaker 1

Well. Yeah, I mean, frankly, if the city loses this case.

Speaker 4

And I think that's one of the things that's important to note here that there are two different prosecutors offices inning able to count because the handle the county prosecutor's office that handles all felonies and some misdemeanors and surrounding areas. The city still has its own small prosecutor's office that only handles misdemeanors within the city limits, and they're the

ones bringing case. But the other prosecutor's office, hamilicuty prosecutor's office, are prosecuting all the other folks involved in this fight because there's charged with felonies. So there is some some real tension there. It's like, you know, the city is prosecuting one of the key witnesses in the counties cases.

So that's a that's a problem number one. Number two, I would predict that if he is acquitted by this jury, that he probably already has counsel lined up to look at a potential malicious malicious prosecution lawsuit and or a civil rights claim, basically saying, look, I was prosecuted for political reasons. I really didn't have a good faith basis to bring this, and the city may be in a position to pay out yet.

Speaker 1

Another multi arty about settlement asual impact.

Speaker 4

It's a budget even Fritter, So is that stand?

Speaker 3

Is that the next is that hard?

Speaker 2

After this gets I don't know if I'll get dismissed, but after this thing wraps up, and I think the prediction is pretty good that Alex Stravinsky's going to walk, and let's say that he does. He then turns around to a malicious prosecution case as a civil case against the city and civil claim outside of settlement. Though that's

pretty ugly. Does that implicate the mayor to some degree or at least the administration, because typically the mayor will isolate himself and insult himself rather with the people like sure along and other underlings that'll take the bullet for him,

so to speak. But does that turn around to be problematic from a civil rights violation for the mayor of the City of Cincinnati, going, Hey, if it's proven that we were able to influence the arrest and prosecution of Alex Stravinsky, then of course that's a civil rights violation there. That's a pretty serious charge against officers of the City of Cincinnati, the mayor notwithstanding.

Speaker 4

Well, I mean, you're absolutely right. I'm going to try to walk a fine line here because I'm trying to be your legal analyst and not a standing critic of the mayor, which i am. This is the part where it gets really fun. If there's a malicious prosecution claim and it survives the early stages, they will have the ability to subpoena the documents and take demand documents, pull documents out of the city, and they'll have the ability

to take depositions. And if, as one presumes, the city manager and or the mayor were involved in any way shape or forming the decision to charge Alex Treminsky, that's going to come out and that is inappropriate, I mean by any standard. I mean, they're not supposed to be under our charter form of government. You know, the police officers are supposed to be able to work independently and

without political pressure. And if he can show that political pressure, that is a real problem, not just in terms of civil liability and monetary damages. That's a real problem politically, and it's a real sign of just how things may have very well, really broken down by this. And you know, it sometimes can be a very minor thing like a misdemeanor. This misdemeanor charge. You know, there are over I think ten to fifteen thousand misdemeanors filed every year, you know,

in Hamilton County. But one of these, this little thing, this little tiny charge, it typically doesn't carry jail time, could have huge ramifications down the road if it leads to a lawsuit that Chols there.

Speaker 1

Was political involvement in this decision to.

Speaker 4

Charge him, which common sense seems to indicate had to be the fact case, because it's very rare for a case like this to be charged many months after the fact.

Speaker 2

He is attorney Steve Gooden and a formal consulman. Thanks for jumping on the show this morning. I think the short rate here is it probably should this should end rather quickly. But then it gets really interesting if Alex Stravinsky is exonerator, will find out what happens. But the trial is set for today. Get some popcorn, baby, Steve all the best.

Speaker 3

Thanks again, Take care shot. Thanks all right.

Speaker 2

News update here seconds away on the Big one seven hundred WLW. I'll get the very latest then we'll return here on the show, we jump right in here. This is interesting. There's a case now that is coming out against Sephora and Benefit they're cosmetic companies, and that they are deliberately to This is on the heels of the metaverdict, by the way, targeting children under the age of ten to get them to buy makeup. Kids under ten are now well, girls under ten are now using makeup makeup

and the courts are trying to shut this down. We'll get it that next on the show seven hundred wl Here we go slowly on seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 3

What we got going on today? Another crazy day?

Speaker 1

Uh?

Speaker 2

I think this is really interesting. Is you know we always talking about kids becoming adults too soon, the adulting of the kid's although at the same time we complained about kids not beingcome mature enough. Like when I was your age, I had sixteen jobs, already fought in a war and I'm only twelve years old. Today it's you know, ah, well, but maybe by the time you're thirty figure it out. You live at home till you're thirty. But after that, we gotta draw a lot, we gotta draw a light

in fan Uh. It's an interesting, interesting paradox. So this is in Italy, but of course it's going to have repercussions here in the state. So regulators in Italy are investigating Sephora and benefit and I know Sephora, but I don't know what benefit is. Nonetheless, they're cosmetic companies, and the abligation there is that they are doing something called cosmeticaurexia cosmeticourexia, which is a cross between cosmetics and anorexia. So wait, eyeliner makes you thin. No, no, no, no, no,

they're complaining. They complain is that they are targeting children in their marketing by having influencers, literally young micro influencers marketing products to young people to encourage them to use cosmetics. And we're talking about kids under the age of ten, under the age of ten for seerms and masks and anti aging creams and all this stuff. And I've always push back this as the confusion that men largely have

about women with your fascination with shoes. Although a lot of guys like you know, dunks and stuff like that. So all right, guys are the shoe thing, but the makeup thing. I don't understand why it takes four hours to put megabond, Like, what are you trying to cover up? People have taken a lot less time to try and cover up murders they've gotten away with than to what your makeup on. Don't know why it takes that long

and the other consideration does it actually work? So if you watch daytime TV at all, you're in a data with commercials for all these new state of the art beauty products that are going to make you look younger and make you feel younger, and it's going to delay aging. And I would say if that were successful, If that were successful, we wouldn't need more new products, would we. They're selling you something that basically doesn't work or make

you feel better about yourself. What I'm all about? That's fine?

Speaker 3

So I look at this and go, all right, are they being over protective?

Speaker 4

Here?

Speaker 2

Are they seeing that we've normalized ourselves and what we're blind to to some degree? I mean, look at it this way. Why would a nine year old an eight year old want to put makeup on? Where did they get that from? It's these evil companies that are pushing that. No, they're seeing mom get botox or Instagram. Is it really surprised at her nine year old. Is it's a four of buying retinal No.

Speaker 3

So we are the.

Speaker 2

Literally the first generation of parents, I'm talking to millennials now, the first generation of parents who curated their faces for public consumption and handed the kids got a front row ticket to watch this whole thing. Right, you're having filters, you're having injections, you're having face tuning, you're having a you know, a mommy makeover as it were, getting a little procedure, got your lip fillers going on. We didn't normalize cosmetic alteration. We just made it an aspirational type

of thing. So Sephorah, the tween Sephora obsession didn't come from nowhere. It came from mom and dad. Is almost always the case, is how did they turn out this way? Well, because we let them. They watched us and mimicked it. But you know, the idea that a as crazy it might sound outside of a Jean Benet like beauty pageant contest and six years old wearing full makeup, which somebody blinks and I had, I think that whole pageant thing is really creepy.

Speaker 3

It's just creepy.

Speaker 2

You see that from time to ten it was you know, John Bna back in the day, John Binney Ramsay and it was honey boo boo. It goes honey booboo, and you look at it and go, it's just something weird about that. It's like you've got a six year old that looks like she's forty two. It's just a creepy look. But again, you know, whether it's that or other things we debate in society, whether you think you're you know, your son is a girl or your girl as a boy.

You know, it's up to the parent to navigate that. And I think that's just equally just you know, it's just creepy, isn't the whole makeup on a five year old? But historically you could see where we are today. It's not like, oh my god, it's so different today than it was when we were kids. Not really simply it's just the newest thing. I mean, you go back to what the nineteen twenties when you had flappers, and that

was literally the first big movement in America. There were many, but the first big movement in modern era of feminization and also women gaining autonomy and having saying how they look and not know necessarily pretty much doing their own thing, and so somewhat of a sexual revolution of nineteen twenty. So you had flappers and the beauty is responts because rouge and lipstick became like an identity. It was a

thing in the nineteen fifties. If you look at some pictures of women in the nineteen fifties, like model types, it's incredible how their waiste to hip to bust ratio is insane, like Barbie, like the hourglass figure. In the sixties and seventies, thinness was in, like the twiggy look, and girls started counting calories and dieting at a very

very young age. In the eighties, the hair got much bigger and supermodel set like an impossible genetic baseline, and the two thousand surgery came along, and so changing your face and your body was new and peterre like, I don't think you know, God didn't make you that way you need And now today it's like, wow, I'm just going to go in for a little procedure here. And

then you factor in social media. In the twenty tenths of this whole thing, and that just weaponizes all of it, delivers that right to your phone, and that would influence kids too, So you know millennials and now gen zers, you know, the digital natives, if you will, it's really nothing new to their offspring. So a nine year old buying anti aging serum because the algorithm told her she shouldn't be afraid of her own face it. You know,

it passes the sniff test right, it checks out. And the direction is travel is it's always been geared towards younger girls and higher standards, and Italy is just drawn a line in the sand. I guess, go No, it's got to stop because you can't sell beauty products anti aging creams to an infant. Well from the minute you come out where you have that new baby smell right out of the showroom, if you will, we start aging now we grow, yeah we do, but it's part of

the aging process. So you know, we recognize eating disorders as a cultural problem, complex one at that, and it took decades too. I don't know if we sorted that out, but I guess you don't hear about anorexia as much anymore.

I'm sure it occurs, but we accept it, there's streaming for it, and the diet industry prayed on what women's in security and impossibly high standard, manufactured standard marketing that no one could meet, and then sold a solution to it, which is why you know we see every other commercial on TV is for a diet product.

Speaker 3

Why is that?

Speaker 2

Because every other commercial is or something that's going to make us fat? And so it just kind of evens out right it's and this isn't like an ad on TV. It's someone who looks like them and talks like them and tell them they're pores are a problem at age six or seven or eight or nine.

Speaker 3

It's engineered peer pressure.

Speaker 2

And you know there's some degree is it predatory, sure, because you're paying a young influencer to influence other ten year olds to buy a product that they don't need.

Speaker 3

But I don't know.

Speaker 2

I think there's probably probably of fifteen, sixteen, eighteen, and twenty year olds do the same thing. How there's probably a lot of and there's certainly no shortage of fifty, sixty and seventy year olds that subscribed to the same thing. You know, we got to keep going and keep buying the newest thing. I guess, so I guess the parents should decide is a good Is it a good counter argument here? Yeah, it's parents. We bear responsibility, we always do,

but we're inside that same warp culture. You know, if mom normalizes her own face as content, I don't think we're realizing that her daughter wants to do the same thing, and you know they the market is going to go after that, because hey, now we've got a new audience of buyers and consumers of makeup and beauty products that we didn't have before. It's like, you know, we're targeting sixteen plus year old girls and now we can go

six to sixteen and other markets blowing up. So you know, we spent one hundred years lower in that age which girls are taught their natural appearances is inadequate. And Italy just looked at a nine year old buying anti agent agreement said enough of this. Again, it's Italy their dynamic

and their version of democers as much from our. But I don't know, we're still debating it, like at some point are there going to be procedures You may lab with this, but I think in the future you're going to be looking at some cosmetic procedures done at a child, well not even a child, probably in utero, right while the baby is still cooking inside. Mom, it's like, yeah, we want to add dimples, and I'm sure there's going to be a lawmakers go okay, this is a bridge

too far and debated. Then you know you'll have this procedure where a surgeon can go in and create dimples on your unborn child or I don't know, some sort of alted DNA altering. I mean, it's going to happen at some point if it's not already. But that is the natural line we you know, and this is while

that's what you're talking about. Didn't happen when we were kids. Yeah, but if you remember, and if you're older too, I would have to think that your mom and dad or were particularly strict on you when it came to like ear piercing. Right now, today infants are getting the ears pierce but it's kind a big deal back in the day, or tattoos or whatever. My wife as a couple butterfly tattoos on her forearm tastefully done and it drives her mom crazy. And I think you know that generation. I'm

talking baby boomers. I don't know if she's outraged by that. That says, you know, you're destroying God gave you this body and you're destroying it, to which iod counter is like, well, you wear makeup and you have your ears pierced, and you color your hair. How is that any do That's entirely different. It's not permanent. The holes e rear are permanent. Well,

that's different. They're just earrings. Yeah, but earrings on a woman were probably I don't know how long ago earrings were a thing and when they first came out of the scene. But I would have to say, well, how's that much different? You're altering your body to put jewelry in there, so there's an element of vanity there. Well that was different, but well, of course it is, and this is different today. And so God knows what kids

are going to do twenty years from now. I don't know if I'll be around then or you'll be around then, who knows, but it'll be something else at all. Just it's another level of outrage, that's all. The kids aren't just content to do what mom and dad did. They want should take it one step further, as we did when we were kids. And that's how this whole thing works. You're supposed to offend the sensibilities to the generation before you.

But Italy, I think it's just myself personally as a parent, like, holy crap, does a nine year old need makeup?

Speaker 4

No?

Speaker 3

Be a damn nine year old.

Speaker 2

And if kids are getting makeup, not in many nine year olds I know have a job other than micro influencers or whatever the hell that means. But mom and dad had to be complicit in this whole thing. You know, there's always a kid at school who's way out ahead of the others and what their parents or parent would allow them to do, and you look at it, well

he's doing it had to be that way with cell phones. Yeah, when twenty years ago when cell phones were still not everyone has them, or probably thirty years ago when not everyone had same thing at but a kid gets a cell phone and not everyone wants to have a phone. I remember that. My daughter going through this. Okay, well it's that age you get him a phone, and what's the right age for a phone? And well, her friends

have phones and that's how they stay in content. Not today, it's just like, well, yeah, you get a phone when you're old enough to go to school. Kindergarteners have phones for crying out loud. I know it's crazy, but again, it's because that line that keeps constantly shifting and evolving to grow that market share. And that's what it's about. All Right, we've got a time out and we've got news on the way in about ten minutes here in the Big one seven hundred ww or our buddy. It

must be lawyer day. We had good None at nine o'clock talking about the Chervinsky trial, which is I don't know what to make it.

Speaker 3

Who knows where it's going to go.

Speaker 2

Jack Render's here with the meta verdict, and this ties into what we're talking about here with makeup.

Speaker 3

It's the same thing.

Speaker 2

Medigetting sued because the algorithms are causing young people much concern, causing suicide rates there. I don't want to say they're up, but what's the role that meta and that would be social media have in the mental health of your children? I think this case fits right into that, So we'll ask them about this. So, yeah, it's a lawyer day today and the show I mentioned Gooden was here at nine o'clock. Today is the day that Alex Chevinsky will have his day in court. Finally, it is the longest

running court case I think in the city. It seemed like it was a no one's paying attention to it, and the city I think wanted it to go away. They wanted to create it. And the same time, I'm like, well, it's got to go to trials. Is it going to make it look good now? The mayor also, by the way, with all this stuff goings on vacation, so I don't know if that's like he planned that on purposing. Okay, I'm going to misopening day, but this trial is supposed

to start. Maybe I want to be out of town for this, Maybe I do, But I know he's going to be back to help raise the transgender flag at city Hall either today or tomorrow. I believe, Yeah, I just I mean, you know, the cardboard mayor's like a cardboard cutout of a mayor essentially, it's about that deep like he's there for the photo ops, but the important stuff like crime and a text.

Speaker 3

I don't really want to.

Speaker 2

Get involved in that, at least not not forward facing anyone. Behind the scenes, yes, but in other ways no, and other ways no. We'll see what happens today. I'm talking off air with Goodin. I mean, I don't think it's going to be one of those a one day trial kind of things. Maybe it will be, I don't know, but it seems like the evidence they have is completely overwhelming.

Speaker 3

For the prosecution in this case.

Speaker 2

And even the prosecutor came out and said, here's the timeline of this thing, and he was acting in self defense. Now, the I think the part the wiggle room for those people who wanted Chravinsky charge, not because he thought he was a criminal necessarily, but essentially bit on social media and saw the videos that came out that showed him assaulting and using the N word to black men, to a black man in particular. When it turns out that, you know, a lot of epithets were thrown at him

and punctions as well prior to what happened. But it just emphasizes we live in and you know, we live in this crazy world that's absolutely so polarized right now. You can't I don't know what we ever weren't, but you know what I'm saying, It's like, well, you know, I would never use the N word at a black You probably deserve to get your ass whoop. But at the same time, when twenty eight blows are thrown in a much much and equally horrible things are thrown at

him and his friends for no reason whatsoever. You know, racism is not a one way street. We're we're conditioned to understand that racism only occurs when it's whites who are denigrating blacks, not the other way around. And when that apple cards turned upside down, this is what you get quick time out. As I said, news happens in minutes here seven hundred W. WELLWT, you want to be an American, it's flunny here on seven hundred WALLW.

Speaker 3

We have two juries.

Speaker 2

We have two massive lawses for Meta that's Mark Zuckerberg Facebook at all. And now Congress says it's time to treat big tech like big tobacco. He's a First Amendment attorney, extraordinarrative FORCULA. Here in Cincinnati, it would be the living legend. Jack Reiner on the show, maybe the second biggest Reds fan behind Randy Freaking.

Speaker 3

But that's debatable.

Speaker 1

Jack.

Speaker 2

How you been, Well, that'll be argued in court. Who's the bigger Reds fan? Right there? Although you haven't written a book yet, you have not written your own book, have you?

Speaker 6

Yeah, I think he still gets the nod.

Speaker 3

Okay, all right, all right, all right, let's jump in on this.

Speaker 2

And this is again one of those things that happened on on Friday and made a little bit of news over the weekend, lost in the cycle, but I think it's important because really what we're looking at is is the ability for companies like Meta to influence kids who into young people. And we often talk about the algorithm and the like. So a jury ordered Meta is out in New Mexico to pay three hundred and seventy five million, which is nothing for them, but for misleading users on

safety and failing to protect children. Now, a second phase of this trial start early May, early next month that could force design changes including age irrigation, encrypted messages, and a court appointed child safety monitor, which seems, wow, how the hell are you going to do this with a company as big as as Meta is. So that's kind of like the forty thousand foot view on this whole thing. It's something called Section two thirty, which you here brought

up all the time. It's protected platforms for something like thirty years. So walk us through exactly what that shield does. What section two thirty is and what the Planet's attorneys figured it out to get around it.

Speaker 6

Section two thirty says that a internet service provider such as Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, et cetera, it is not liable for content did by third parties. That is different than traditional law. Traditionally, newspapers have been liable for letters to the editor. So if I write a letter to the editor and I defame somebody, I can be held liable for that, But so can the newspaper as the publisher.

Speaker 1

So what.

Speaker 6

Section two thirty says is that the internet service provider will not be deemed to be the publisher of third party content. That's the most simple way of putting it.

Speaker 2

All right, that's an easy way to frame this whole thing, And of course we'll see what happens in the second leg. But the other part of this too is remember a California Journey found them and YouTube negligent in that landmark social media trial. Two thousand plus pending lawsuits me meaning damages. I mean three seventy five for Facebook for Suckerberk is nothing, but damages could multiply pretty dramatically, I would think coming

up in this thing too. So the legal theory here treat social media like it's a defective product rather than speech and using a first amendment turning all about that is a is that a solid argument?

Speaker 3

Does that hold up on appeal?

Speaker 6

You know a lot of people have been comparing this to the tobacco litigation, and in the idea that the tobacco companies put out a product knowing that it was addictive and even enhancing the addictive nature of the product in some instances. In that respect, it's a decent analogy. The difference though, here is that the social media companies this isn't just because they're tech. I mean the tech is social media and that is speech. And so that the question is, isn't I think I know what this was?

This was asserted as a defense that both in New Mexico and the California trust is that this is beat. This is third party content that is posted not by Meta, not by Facebook, not by Instagram, but by third parties, and therefore it should be shielded by Section two thirty of the Communications Decency Act. It's very intertwined. So what the planeifs did? Let's talk about California, which resulted in a total of six million dollars in damages, three million

in compensatory damages, and another three million impunitive damages. The plane by the plaintiff was that it was the features, the algorithm, the infinite scroll, the notifications, auto play, beauty filters, all contributed to the obsess or compulsive use of the product by this twenty year old woman known as in the in the lawsuits kg M. And that that isn't

about speech, that's about product design. But it's it's a it's trickier, I think, than the tobacco cases because it does it does intertwine closely with speech, and it's it's a little hard to separate those two. There's no First Amendment right to smoke. There is a First Amendment right to speak. So I think that while the tobacco cases are a decent analogy, they're not a complete analogy. You now,

you mentioned Scott, who was interesting. So the New Mexico case was actually brought by the Attorney General of New Mexico. And in this case it wasn't so much damages, it was a fine that the It was brought under the New Mexico Computer Consumer Product Safety Statue, and that statue provided for a five thousand dollars per violation fine, so which in the New Mexico case totaled up to three hundred and seventy five million. I can't divide three hundre.

Speaker 3

Hundred five million, five thousand.

Speaker 6

Ver quickly, but it's a big no, you know. So there were a lot of violations. Now, I think what's interesting and as you say, three seventy five, three hundred and seventy five million is kind of jump change to Meta, and certainly six millions they have in their couch coushions probably, But what I might be more concerned if I'm Meta about the California case, because as you say, there could be thousands, tens of thousands of follow on cases brought by other young people and they may point to the

California judgment as settling the legal issue about the about Meta's liability. And it could be that in future cases it's just going to be how much damages are involved. And so that's six million dollars to quickly escalate to a billion, I mean it's not it's not outside the realm of loss ability.

Speaker 2

A billion dollar, five billion dollars in penalty, that's that's her sharing. He is attorney Jack Ryaner first Amendon attorney, talking about the meta verdict, what this all means for you and your kids especially. We do have some breaking news. Let me interrupt for just a second here, Jack, I'll put you on hold.

Speaker 3

He is breaking news on news radio seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 2

Brian Combs jumps in this morning with boy, this is a shocker.

Speaker 7

The Hamil and Kelly court case against Alex Schervinsky, the man charged after the violence that happened on four Straight Downtown last July, has been dismissed.

Speaker 3

Karen Johnson of WLWT in.

Speaker 7

The courtroom this morning to trial with to start with jury selection at ten, and she is reporting that the case has been thrown out. Don't know if it's a case that could be refiled at this point. We do know from discussions with the attorney for Travinsky ahead of this trial that he fully anticipated that this might happen. Prosecution was having trouble getting some witnesses to cooperate since they are facing charges as well, didn't want to tell

before their own trials happened. There were other problems with this, including the two of the star witnesses for Travinsky. Our police detectives who investigated this case and refused to bring charges, charges that were then later brought by Adam Henny, the interim police chief now who was the captain in charge of the district at the time where this occurred. So the state is sparing him or the city of sparing him having to testify explain why he brought the charges

when his detectives did not want to. We know that these charges were somewhat suspect from the beginning because they came well after all of the other people who were charged in the beatings with felonies were charged, and came after some African American leaders in town demanded that someone they said who didn't look like them be charged as well, meaning someone who was white. And that was the charges

part against Stravinsky. There are six other defendants who are facing felonies that could put them away for a long time for beating Travinsky and for beating Holly, the woman who was attacked. Their trials are all set for May, and we believe that Stravinsky will now become a witness in those cases.

Speaker 3

He's a defendant now he's a witness.

Speaker 7

Yeah, And we'll be working with the prosecution though those cases will be handled by the Hamilting County prosecutor instead of Cincinnati prosecutors. So we don't have a whole lot of details about what's behind this. Hopefully by ten thirty maybe we'll have a few of the details revealed. The judge this case did refuse to allow a live stream of the proceedings, so that did not happen, so we can't follow with that.

Speaker 3

Very interesting, Yeah, is a judge dismissing it.

Speaker 2

Did the prosecution just say, hey, we don't have witness well dismissed.

Speaker 3

Ultimately the judge had to throw out the charge.

Speaker 7

But yeah, we don't know yet at this point if it was the prosecution who said we can't proceed, or maybe some of their witnesses didn't show up.

Speaker 3

Today.

Speaker 7

We know a couple of them were confidential police informants who were not very reliable and maybe did not appear in the past, and they had to ask for continuances and the judge said, clearly the last time, if you asked for another continuance, it's not happened. We're moving forward, or we're throwing it out.

Speaker 2

Okay again, so just reset for somebody tuning in right now.

Speaker 7

Brian Alex Dravinsky's a disorderly conduct trial is not going to happen today over the brawl that happened in the streets of Cincinnati last July. The charges against him have been dismissed, waiting to find out if this they could be filed later, or if they could be altered or changed, or if he's truly off the hook. He was ready to fight this and claim self defense, and his attorney has made it very clear that once the criminal charges against him are resolved and that he will be going

against the city for civil damage. My goodness, a lot to unpack your Brian Combs, thanks again, well, I appreciate it, buddy, Brian Colembs. The seven hundred newsroom, which by the way, is not the news. We just came in the studio here, i'd say, bringing behind the scenes here the satellite news center. I'm going to pivot for a second, guy, Jack Reiner. He's the First Amendment attorney, and we're talking about the

meta verdict and what all that means. But I got to pivot a little bit here, Jack, if you allow me that discretion. As an attorney, generally speaking here, I don't think this is surprising, but as far as the outright dismissal of the case, do you think that's that the behest to prosecutors as the judge saying this is frivolous and stupid, get out of my courtroom.

Speaker 3

What do you make of this?

Speaker 6

I think it sounds like it was more a case of just maybe the prosecution just couldn't get the witnesses they needed, because I think if the judge was going to dismiss the case for lack of merit, that would have happened sooner. I think I would like to correct something that Brian said. The judge had istree in order for prohibiting live streaming, but we actually took that to the first District Court of Appeals and got him to allow live streaming.

Speaker 2

So okay, so there would have been live streaming had this actually gone. This all was dismissed before jury selection, so there's nothing to say.

Speaker 6

Right and I, yeah, this this prop I don't know, but this may very well have taken place in Judge Johnson's chambers, the decision to dismiss.

Speaker 1

And that sort of thing.

Speaker 6

But I think, like I said, I think if it was a question of that the case black legal merit, that would have happened soon or so this this may very well be just the prosecution saying you're on, I'm sorry, we couldn't get the necessary witnesses.

Speaker 1

It was a tough case to begin with, and I think that there was a One of the.

Speaker 6

Issues was whether they could bring assault charges, and the issue was that they did have mister Stravinsky on on video slapping somebody. But assault requires the threat of serious bodily injury, and the slap really didn't.

Speaker 5

It couldn't.

Speaker 6

They couldn't make the case. So I think it's my recollections he was trying to disorder's content.

Speaker 3

Yeah, I was just under the conduct.

Speaker 2

But I I was just curious on that note too, because the beatings that he received were far worse than the open handed slap, And I guess technically that does not rise the lovely assault. But doesn't that further give credence that this was these charges were bought for political pressure as opposed to actual criminal pressure.

Speaker 6

It really I think it's going to depend on what the judge. I don't know if the judge is going to issue anything a written opinion on it, so it sort of depends. But it was a yeah, there was there was politics involved, I think for sure.

Speaker 2

Yeah, but that and that opens up a civil lawsuit. I would think if Travinsky had the charges dismissed and that just broke here on seven hundred WW that the charges against els to the trial is supposed to start today, they're not even a jury selection yet, and the charges were dismissed. We'll find out the details as that starts

coming out of Hamiltot Court. But in that regard, I look at this and go, all right, well, it's dismissed, and that would then set up some sort of civil climate, imagine from Travinsky in that if they didn't have enough to bring this these charges, I don't make it to make it to trial, I don't select a jury for crying out loud. That give credence to the fact that you said that suggested some sort of political will power

as opposed to legal ones. That opens the city and maybe even the mayor up to a civil rights violation lawsuit, doesn't it.

Speaker 6

Yeah, it potentially does, which would likely be heard in federal court. So that is you know, that takes it out of the local elected political sphere that you judges are appointed for. Like several judges, they don't have to stand for re election. So yep, that takes it into a whole different direction. But we'll see, we'll see what happens interesting here.

Speaker 2

Yeah, this is an interesting case for sure. But it seems like Jack, we we always have interesting cases in Cincinnati. There's no shortage of legal drama here in Cincinnati, or just nonsense that rises the level of national news. We're really good at that here in Cincinnati, O Hio, aren't we? Maybe that should be this look right, crazy crazy story and you can do like one a year basically because it's it's a gift that keeps on giving. Listen, I know you came to talk about meta, but things do

happen in the breaking news. Rom I appreciate you pivoting with me. Jack Rynder, first Amendment attorney for Rookie Law. Thanks again, buddy, appreciate the insight, No problem, Take care there you go. Well, yeah, meta isn't there?

Speaker 1

This?

Speaker 2

This is more, This is sexier. I'm want to continue talking about that with you at five and three, seven four, nine, seven thousand.

Speaker 3

Now what do you think happened?

Speaker 1

Now?

Speaker 2

It's going to get damn interesting here too, and what does it say about our legal system because often in this case, people like aftat pureval Democrats scream about the bias in the court system, how the courts are biased, and we need to fix that. We need to bond and bell reform, we need to do own recognizance and things like that. We had to be gentler to criminals because they are victims too. We've tried that now for

the last number of years. It doesn't seem to be working in Cincinnati with some of the crime rates, not all of them, but some of the crime rates risings, particularly the violent ones, particularly the group of assaults and the like. We saw street takeovers and everything else downtown, and we saw what happening in the opening day most recently. God knows what the summer is going to bring when

the weather actually starts to cooperate with us here. But relative to this discussion and what we just heard, the news that broke about Travinsky's charges being dismissed, and what that sets up legally speaking, the same people that scream about a biased judicial system. I don't know about you, but from my vantage point, it seems like those people

are complaining are the ones also guilty of it. We'll get into that right after a news update where we're sat and foind out the very latest from downtown next on seven hundred WLW, Scott's Flowing Show on seven hundred WWT. Always pivoting, always pivoting, because we got breaking news minutes ago.

You're here first yere on seven hundred WLW. And that was the case against Alek Trevinsky, the man charged with disorderly conduct in the July assault at Fourth and Elm, the trial that's been delayed and delayed and delayed again after a last minute continuance. Today was supposedly the day and before jury selection even began, the judge dis missed

the case. And now we're hearing it was the beause of the prosecution that again the prosecution's key witness that failed to appeer, citing fear for his safety after information let him believe the people believed to identified as an FBI informant, which they say is not true. But nonetheless that witness failed to appear, and therefore the prosecution's case

fell apart. And so I think it's probably a case of and pleating the fifth and saying, well, if I testify for the prosecution against als Stravinsky, I am now implicated in what I saw, and now I'm implicating myself here, So I think that's what's going on in this really weird case. But nonetheless, the case completely and utterly dismissed against al Stravinsky, which brings up a whole host of

other questions relative to Summer Slam Cincinnati twenty five. When you look at what just transpired here, it really is there's a lot to unpack. I know at this point because it was hell nine months ago that this crime occurred, or crimes occurred anyway, and initially at first blush, of course, it was Alice Stravinsky as the assailant dropping the end bomb, which even if you're the victim of a crime, I don't recommend doing because it can make the beating even worse.

You shouldn't use the word. But nonetheless that's what transpired. Of course, this was led prior to this, we saw Holly get smacked down, and we still don't know what she had anything to do with. It's is a woman standing there and gets sucker puncher behind, as the case

may be with these street brawls. Nonetheless, the case of Ali Stravinsky is here's a guy who was hit at least twenty eight times or he and others around him, And this all started at the club found the music festival, and they're in the VIP area at a club and a lot of African American clientele there, and a number of them were I guess maybe a few of them anyway, were hurling racial epithets and wondering what they were doing

at the Cincinnati Music festl last time I checked. Whether it's a black musician, a white musician, or any musician for that matter, music is certainly appreciated by most people. I would say, I'm a fan of some of the acts that played there as well. But it makes one think, like, well, if I'm a white guy going to what's quote unquote a black show, is that going to be a problem for me?

Speaker 3

What it was for Aleis Stravinsky. Why that is, we don't know.

Speaker 2

But it was all started by an individual with some serious mental incompetencies going on. But that's not an excuse. It's not an excuse that he was egged on despite the fact that maybe had some learning difficulties or wasn't all put together. Nonetheless, it happened, That's what occurred. But we just doubled down to the stupidity. And now what winds up happening is this opens up a civil suit.

I would think on the part of Shavinskian's attorneys to say, look, it's pretty clear now that they didn't have a case put together. Was I prosecuted because I've out of the law, or was i prosecuted as a victim because well, I'm white and white people are always the aggressor when it comes to racially motivated crimes. Well, it's pretty clear that's not true, and we know that's not true, but that is the mantra I think, and we'll get into that

in just a second. But it was kipt Guiding the prosecutor. Assistant prosecutor for the county said his office had been working on this was back last year. They were doing a compilation of videos to turn over to the defense attorneys, and they established a clear timeline of what happened. They took the citizen video too, off the interwebs, but also there were at least two non public cameras that were capturing a timeline a little bit better, and so they're

able to piece this all together. And they discovered, of course, after the flop about hey you got to prosecute the white guy because it's racism if you don't that the slap that Alex Stravinsky threw wasn't the beginning of the fight. And now prior to that N bomb being dropped in Schevinsky's slapping, which is a misdemeanor, not a felm me by the way, the state says Jermaine Matthews was the main instigator of the man I was talking about, and he had been harassing the best victims and he was

egged on by others in the crowd. He was saying, you're at the wrong corner at the wrong party, and quote, they were going to make sure they got off that corner, and some were struck and beaten prior to the N word coming out in the slab coming out said a lot of it was ww east dug and sucker punch him behind, and Travinsky looked like a pretty good big guy, had enough of it and went and slapped this gentleman.

Now Clyde Bennett, the defense attorney I had on the show and probably had them not again as standing by the initial narrative that was started by the white guys, and his quote was a blind man conceited and never been. The city knows if you remove racing roof politics, this is a fistfight and a brawl that was fueled by alcohol consumption and that was initiated by some of the alleged victims. That's a quote of end. Well it turns

out and the case being dismissed and all. I guess we will never know the fact pattern here, but it's pretty clear that the uh, the behavior was dominantly and predominantly black folks in the crowd, and not all of them, because we saw a number of folks say, man, this is stupid. Cut this noise out. It's like anything you get a group of people together, there's knuckleheads of all colors.

But I guess that's my point is now this whole thing is set up, and this may wind up costing you even more money if you live in the city of Cincinnati. In that if this becomes a civil case, and the two detectives who refuse to testify basically for the prosecution of this game, they wind up getting called to the stand and they will they'll they'll be uh, they'll testify for the defense saying listen, there was nothing there to justify charges being filed against Alex Stravinsky. That's

kind of a smoking gun. You've got two detectives that are willing to state that and go, yeah, we didn't. We had no reason to charge this guy because he was a victim. But they made us anyway. And who's the day? How high does it go? That's the allegation will be made if this and it should go to a civil rights claim. This would be a civil case. But I don't even know the civil rights violation here. How much money is not going to cost you the

taxpayer to settle this and what is it all predicated on. Look, I'm a realist. I understand that there are a lot of white people who are racist, but I would also have to realize that a lot of Asian black and male female gays, a lot of people have issues as well. So to think that racism in this country is one side, I think that's the fallacy that this whole mess is standing upon. The narrative that black folks can't be racist is not true. It's not like whites don't have a

shortage of racism. The Klan, we've got flyers, we've got Lincoln Heights, we got the you know, the guy burning the Pride flag, anti gay. I get all that, and it's sickening because you should be junched on what you do and not who you are. But nonetheless that has always been and always will be a component of our society. I know there's people out there going, wow, it's fine, let it go. You know, we should always try to get better from one day to the next, self improvement

and such. But they have others believing there's a utopia out there and if everyone can just get along and there's no wars and no fighting, and it turns into a John Lennon song.

Speaker 3

That's not reality either.

Speaker 2

But the problem here is that the progressive narrative from aftab on down that blacks being the victim of whites are a daily occurrence, and you stick up for people who are committing crimes, no matter how vicious.

Speaker 3

That the optics of this is.

Speaker 2

Terrible and it's been terrible, and it's not it's going to wind up maybe costing somebody some money, some serious money here, that only one side is the oppressor and the idea here. And we saw this with Iris Roli, We saw this with the Advanced Peace Movement from Jan Michelleman Kearney and others that believe that all criminals somehow are victims themselves, and what does that let us. It's led us to a very bloody winter, if not spring,

and possibly summer. At this point, the mayor wouldn't e of acknowledge the murder of Patrick Harringer, which really started this whole thing a year ago. The assault on Holly has just been gone by the wayside, the idea that right now. In City Council yesterday, as a matter of fact, they asked Chief Interim Chief Adam Henny what the department would look like if they took a five percent haircut.

He said, well, if we had to cut five percent of our budget roughly eleven million dollars, we would have to get rid of officers, what loss cops, laws enforcement? You know, I had Damon Lynch on the show, and one of the most vocal black leaders in the community. For sure, he saw it one way, and that is the black folks are the victim here. Well, I shouldn't

say that to be fair to the Damon Lynch. It would be more along the lines like, well, you know, we realize that there's some people involved in this, but you have to charge everyone the same. I mean, if we're the other way around there, there'd be outrage if it was a bunch of white folks beating up a black guy, and we probably meet the front line going that's wrong, you shouldn't do that. But in this case, like, well, let's say there's a nuance here. It's like, I guess

what black folks can be racist? I think we should kind of admit that not just a white thing, it's an everyone thing. Yeah, we were the rest of the community who wants to hear okay, the community what you know, you kind of lost credibility there. But we're just gonna double down and say no, no, no, no, this guy should have been charged and this is gonna be a miscarriage of justice and goes to show you how broken the system is, and so everyone will wind up leaning

into that. It's just, uh, it's just predictably insane, is what it is.

Speaker 3

Unfortunately.

Speaker 2

And so we'll get more details coming out. Of course, if you're just joining the show. What about half hour ago here on the show, Brian Combs broke in and I think it was our buddy Karen Johnson over at Wody OLDWUT who actually was in courtroom and broke the story that the charge against al Travinsky have been dismissed.

We don't know, I guess we do now that the prosecutor said, look, our witness is not going to show, so we have no choice but to ask for dismissal of this case because our key witness here doesn't want to testify because they are also charged. In What winds up happening is you have a right to not incriminate yourself under the Fifth Amendment. And I've guess that's sugguessing in my limited legal knowledge here that that's what occurred

in this courtroom. And so well, I guess we'll never know what the conclusion is, but you almost be certain that a civil suit is going to be filed on behalf of Al Stravinsky because he's been jammed up now for the better part of a year in this whole thing. And the story that just continues. And by the way, I'm gonna point this out. So the two detectives that would testify for the defense Alec Stravinsky and say, yeah, there was nothing here to charge this guy, and I

was going to sign it, and Adam Henny did. The same guy who is now the interim chief on the same day, by the way, that the contract with Frost Brown Todd expires. The city has investigating why they fired Terry Thiji in October, and here we are now almost into April. Tomorrow's April, and we're still investigating why we fired her back six months ago. Doesn't make any sense

to me, but maybe downtown it does. So now, what happens if Henny signs this If Henny signs this thing and he did, and they go, well, we've got the charges dismissed because this is political pressure. What happens to him?

Could it very well be that they decide, well, we didn't fight anything on on Thiegi, they will too, because the attorneys came out and pretty much said that already to take the take it out of play and maybe tamp down expectations there, but why not bring Fiji back van and Henny is signing arrest words that were motivated politically. The whole thing stinks, is what it does. And the bigger question, the bigger thing is I think we deserve

better than this. Is Cincinnati is now. I don't live in the city per se for obvious reasons, and maybe you do, But I like to frequent downtown. I like to think it's fairly safe. I know in times you have big groups down there, there's gonna be problems, but

the problems seem to be increasing, not decreasing. And now we've got a racial opponent this whole thing that could make it worse because now you're going to have the leaders of quote unquote leaders screaming about the process, how this guy can walk away and that the system is broken and it's racist when it's clearly not. And the other element then, too, is that that then fuel more

animosity towards folks when they go downtown. This is not a good look for the city of Cincinnati, and there's a lot of repercussions that are going to be felt.

I'm guessing Willie's going to pick us up today at twelve oh six here on seven hundred ww's we continue on the Scotsland Show at five, three, seven, four, nine, seven, eight hund the Big one hit talk back on the iHeartRadio app So we'll continue to follow the developments here from the dismissal of the Alex Travinsky case and what all this means, because it's like an octopus, it's like a bunch of OCTOPI I guess tentacles in all directions,

the repercussions could be felt, and probably many things I even considered are part of this mix. Now that this case has been dismissed, not with prejudice, but just rather dismissed because the witnesses aren't shown up because they're locked up themselves. You got a guy who is a victim but also a defendant, and now we witness Alex Kravinsky. It's a full time job just being Alex Dravinsky. I guess now you did throw I will say, you throw the end bomb out, You're gonna get punched in the head.

Speaker 3

I've made that clear to be able to disagree with me.

Speaker 2

It's like you drap the end bomb and somebody hears that they're gonna knock you the bleep up as well you should and I get it. I understand there's a double standard there. It can be used, and I always contend when it comes to the N word. Myself is like, well, I got a problem with the N word being used in the conton depending on the context of the used because in the course of a hip hop song, it's fine, but if a white guy sitting along with a hip hop song like I like to.

Speaker 3

That's a problem. I don't think it should be, but it's a problem.

Speaker 2

The other element of this, too is Okay, well, we could talk about the use of the N word in the light, but racial epithets were hurled at white people, and I guess we want to look the other way

on that. Look, if we're gonna stamp out racism, and God knows, in this town where we have the Freedom Center and we have marches and we have doctor Martin Luther King's statues and everything else and about quality and opportunity and all these wonderful concepts, then you got to be as outrage if not more outraged about what transpired with this case than you would with most others. But again, asking for people, or maybe not you, but others, to

be consistent in this is not going to happen. There's no consistency anymore. We've completely lost that. We get a time out and we got news. In a minutes, we'll recap this entire story. Alex Tchravinsky's case being dismissed by Judge Johnson at the behest of the prosecution because I guess the witness one of the witnesses said, I'm not showing up. I'm not going to do this because I'm going to incriminate myself. What a story on seven hundred wlwod since nonat do want.

Speaker 1

To be an American?

Speaker 6

Foods?

Speaker 2

Going back on seven hundred w olw rolling through it today and Democrats a fear ice. We saw the no Kings protests over the weekend. I was celebrating little Kings myself, but not part of the No King's protests.

Speaker 3

Fear Ice.

Speaker 2

It's the three letters that should instill concern in every American. But you know there's three other letters I think we should fear more and on that is Holly Adams. Holly is a candidate for Ohio wan So running against Greg Landsman, and she's out of Hamilton. Also a fellow Falcon from the Bolden Green State University. Holly Adams, Holly, welcome, are you?

Speaker 5

I'm good, Scott, Thanks so much for having me.

Speaker 8

On your show.

Speaker 2

Yeah, you bet, thanks for taking time out. So Democrats say they want to abolish ice because it's dangerous, it's abusive, and make the case what does a community without ice actually look like?

Speaker 5

That's interesting. You know, everybody that follows Greg Landsman and knows that we need to replace him here in the district. So he describes ICE as a non law abiding agency, which is exactly the opposite of.

Speaker 8

What they are.

Speaker 5

And we need them to remove these criminals from our streets and the people want that, and it's you know, it's hard to accomplish and what we kind of know why, but the Democrat Party and people like Greg Lansman want to procast the criminals on the street and be fond ICE. So we really need to support, you know, all of

our law law enforcement to make our city safe. We have a safety problem here already in Cincinnati and Hamilton County, and you know, ICE is just and another resource that can help us make our city favor.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I think the problem, of course, you know, it's politics, and so it's it's one side v. The other, and so there's there's no gray area. But I think the gray aer for both sides. You know, if you're a Democrat, I don't understand you know that some of these number of these people who are being picked up are active, there's

active warrants on them. I mean, why are you out there defending someone who might very well be a I don't know, rapist or a murderer or you know what I mean, if you committed a serious crime.

Speaker 3

Uh, that's why ice needs to exist.

Speaker 2

The other side, of course, is you know, when I see people who are caught up in home depot or they're I don't know, some kid who was brought here, who is now now in his early thirties or twenties, who's brought here as a child, and we're sweeping them up too. We have cases here as you know in Cincinnati. As an American that's troubling. Why why can't we get this right? It doesn't seem that hard.

Speaker 5

Yeah, no, it's different. I mean, we are a country of laws. Some people want them to be enforced. We know that if we break the laws, we're going to go to jail, or if we broke the immigration law, we be deported as well. So, you know, Americans just expect you know, our government. One of the key reasons that government is to protect the people. And our money

is going everywhere else but protecting the people. You know, even you see Great Landsman has been you know, vigorous as far as taking money away from the local law enforcement for other pet projects. So we we just need to make sure that we're you know, and what I hope to do when I get to Congress is that a budget and put the tax dollars that are collected towards what is good and just and helped all American families, including the baty on our streets.

Speaker 2

That's also part of the problem too, that you know, great, you're runing against Greg Landsman, and where's he specifically stood on on you mentioned stood where on ice? But there's a huge contrast here. I also look at it and go, all right, well, there are people who are getting jammed up who have been here for years illegally, yeah, certainly, but have contributed to society owned businesses, started families, have

never been in trouble whatsoever. Is there a way? Is there is there a password for them in this whole thing, because I feel like that's the one being squeezed out. I think our sense of fair play as Americans says, okay, you came here illegally, but how have you conducted yourself ever since?

Speaker 3

Is that a Is that a non qualifier for you?

Speaker 5

Well, I think that that should be considered as something that you know, again, they they jumped ahead of people that are you know, inline following our legal immigration process, but certain they should be at the top of the list to stay in the country with proven you know, assimilation and being part of this part of our country and part of our communities and giving back to the communities. That those are the type of immigrants grids that we

want in our country. So they you know, it's there should be a VA team process and that those people. But at the same time, I don't think they should get their citizenship and put be put ahead as people that are legally in the process. And I think there is room for both. I just think each case needs to be considered, you know, carefully. But what's very clear is that people that are here illegally, that haven't assimilated, that are multiple defenders of product need to go. So yeah,

so actually hear that. I you know, we're a very compassionate society. You know, we want to take care of people, and we want people to be treated with respect. And I appreciate those those immigrants that have come to our country and worked hard and become part of what makes our cities great.

Speaker 3

Holly Adams on that.

Speaker 2

You know, the way I kind of think of it is all right, you came here across the border illegally in search of something you couldn't get where you're from, or to escape poverty and violence and everything else, have a chance at building a life. That to me is the American dream. You know, if we turn a blind eye towards immigration policies under Obama and under Biden, I'd have to say we also did the same under George Bush and Ronald Reagan. And so if that's the case,

if that's the government going, we don't really care. I don't know how much of this is at the feet of the immigrants now in twenty twenty six, when it wasn't a big deal ten, fifteen, twenty thirty years ago.

Speaker 5

Yeah, well, I mean for decade. You know, other presidents have in Congress have pushed the can down the road to the point that, you know, we've got a big problem to deal with, especially after the four years and Joe Biden and the open border or so, it does

need to be addressed. And like I said, you know, I'm willing, you know, as a taxpayer to fund the resources, whether it be ice or you know, uh uh betteam of these other citizens that are here and been living here for a long time and our law citizens of our communities to see how they could have a past the citizenship while staying here. I think that is a totally fair thing to do. What I don't know, Scott, and maybe you do, but it's worth looking up statistics.

I don't know what the uh the ratio of those people is, but I do believe that, you know, we need to get those people a chance again. I just want to respect that. You know, we are a nation of laws and we just haven't enforced followed them for so long. We have to get back to the four component that you know. We have laws, we follow them, and we want everybody that's in our country to be following them.

Speaker 2

The only stat I guess I have is I know that immigrants tend to be more a law abiding than than natural born citizens here. But I want to move on because I think it is really good. Someone who's a more libertarian I think myself, is that the cry is, hey, we're worried about the wrong three letters. It shouldn't be the ice that we fear. It should be the irs. Abolish the irs, which I absolutely love. Break that down.

So what's your plan for eliminating the irs? Holly Adams and how do you and what replaces it for that matter.

Speaker 5

Well, I mean the fact is, and you know, the country America existed for one hundred and fifty years without income past and at our roads, in our hospitals, in our schools, and how we paid for those were through revenue of Paris and taxes on goods and services. So we have all of those same news streams right now, but we're additionally taking money out of the pockets and the bank accounts of hard working American citizens. And it's

really we've overburdened them with taxation in this country. The advocate of eliminating the federal income packs, you know, I think a lot of because I do feel like I've

always enjoyed math. I love a good spreadsheet. I feel that if we go back and we look at the Constitution and we see the enumerated responsibilities of Congress and where Congress is supposed to be spending money, where our government is supposed to be spending money, we are over spending to the level that once we cross off that over spending, that we can pay for everything with tarifs,

taxes on goods and services that we're already paying. And you know, the average The median income in Cincinnati is about fifty three thousand dollars, So the income pack would put fifty six hundred dollars back in their pockets each year. That's fifty six thousand over ten years. That's a lot of money for a family that is struggling to you know, pay their energy bills.

Speaker 3

Well sure, sure, yeah, Holly.

Speaker 2

I know you want to go to Congress and represents at the federal level, but you know, the limited government element, it's tough for me as in you you live in Hamilton, is an Ohioan. I look at what's happening in the state House right now. I don't believe we have limited government in the de Wine administration. The latest example of that, and I can cite many. The most latest one, of course,

is this banning of THC infused beverages. That was a huge boon to the beer industry, and there's fighting this in court. But simply because Mike de Wine doesn't think people should be drinking THHC, that doesn't seem limited government to me. If it's literally hundreds of thousands of people enjoy this in millions across America enjoy this beverage responsibly, why would it be up to the governor. Simply they'll take his pen and veto all this and go no, I don't like it, therefore.

Speaker 3

You shouldn't have it. That's exact opposite of limited.

Speaker 5

Government, absolutely, and I don't agree with that, Scott. I mean, I feel that we need to get rid of both government overreach in every aspect of our life. And you know, we need we need to go back to what our founding fathers intended.

Speaker 8

You know, a country where you know, people you know, go to work, they're personally responsible for themselves as their families, and the government stays you know, out of their health care and out of their pocketbooks and allows them to live you know, freely.

Speaker 5

And again both parties, I think we have an epidemic of an epidemic of constitutional overreach, right and government overreach across our country. And again it's across both parties. But if you're looking at somebody to come in and be a fisful responsibility both person you know, those people right now are within the Republican Party and that's what I

want to do. But you know, to accomplish what we need to in Congress, we need about three hundred and eighty more people that's dedicated to and again not shrinking our government to what it's not supposed to be, but right sizing it.

Speaker 3

Yeah, yeah, I could see. I could see it while at the job.

Speaker 2

Holly, it doesn't seem like from this from my perch, you're kind actually does any much of anything.

Speaker 3

It seems like a pretty easy job. I mean, show it up.

Speaker 2

You're shutting government down and essentially rule by executive order seems to be the flavor of the day.

Speaker 5

Oh yeah, you know, you've mentioned the overspending, and you mentioned being a libertarian, and you know we want, you know, freedom from the government. We want a limited government. And I'm a follower of the John Bird Society and I

love the Freedom Index they put out. Well, I recently looked at their and again that evaluates, just for your listeners that might not know, they go a couple of kids a year and they evaluate all the Congressmen and senators on their last ten votes and how those votes aligned with constitutional the Constitution was a constitution or not and a four hundred and thirty five members of Congress, only fifty five are getting a's or b getting eighty

percent or aligned with the constudents. That means like you just said, people sit around doing nothing, not doing the work that needs to be done to protect the American people and make things affordable gainst you know what seventeen what I say, seventeen percent eight thirteen percent, So that's thirteen percent eighty seven of Congress that both sides are getting seas and out. We're paying these people six figures about two hundred thousand dollars a year and free health

care to fail us. So we really need to step up as a country, you know, as citizens and both in people that truly understand what it's going to take to get the government out of our business and decres spending so the cost of living goes down and we have more opportunity for our family. So I'm one of those three hundred and eighty people that want the philiity to do that. But until the vote right and some constitutionalists and fisicily conservative people to Congress, it's not to

get done. And the Republicans need to replace the people in our party that are over spending and not getting the work done too. I mean, but at least you know, I know what I stand for, and I know what I want to do, and I'll align with other people. You know, Congressman Warren Davidson already has legislation that suggest, you know, repealing the sixteenth Amendment, repealing Act, and I would love to get on board with that.

Speaker 3

All right, right, we'll leave it there. I'm about out of time.

Speaker 2

Holly Adams will be running against Greg Landsman and this interesting and very very heated, a very difficult district because it's both Democrat and Republican. I know the way they do the lines there, But Holly lovely having it back on the show at some point. Thanks again for joining.

Speaker 3

Good luck, it's got.

Speaker 5

Am I allowed to pitch my website.

Speaker 2

Absolutely, We're seven hundred wible are all about advertisements, come on now.

Speaker 5

Thank you so much, so thanks listeners. You can go to Hollyadams for Congress dot com. Learn as much as you about me there. If you have any questions at all, reach out to me by email. I'd love to hear from you, learn more about your family, what your priorities are, and you know, be honored to earn your vote on Nathan.

Speaker 2

Holly all the best, Thanks for joining, Thanks so much, Scott, take care of be well and good luck with a campaign. We've got a news update and run a little bit late here sloanly on seven hundred w Well.

Speaker 3

The time to talk about money, how to make it, how to keep it, and how to keep others off your stack. This is all Worth Advice with Andy Shaeffer.

Speaker 2

Yes, Tuesday morning, I mean Shaeffer drops in, mister money bags is here? Interest and principle. That's what is all about with Andy at Allworth Financial. Good morning son, How are.

Speaker 9

You good, Scott?

Speaker 3

How's it going on?

Speaker 2

Everything is great, everything is good, everything is well, well, maybe it's not.

Speaker 3

I don't know you.

Speaker 2

Here's the thing. I look at the markets. It's all doom and gloom. You know, the the Dow and the S and p R. Down's gonna be the worst year I think, and probably three years at sha the worst month I guessed in three years.

Speaker 3

And I talk to you and you say everything's great. Why Why am I? Why am I listening to you?

Speaker 2

I need doom and gloom here ratings and revenue. Baby, fear drives listenership. Don't you know that everything is with you? Everything's calm, everything is fine, It'll be fine.

Speaker 9

Well, I know fear and greed are good for the show, but you know I want to keep it in perspective, and I want to make sure that people understand that

you don't need to panic. I mean, there is some optimism in the markets right now, and I think every investor is really hanging on the words of Donald Trump and the Trump administration, and you know, it changes daily and it changes even hourly, and essentially, you know, the markets are feeling pretty good this morning because Trump said that, you know, we might see an end to this conflict

in Iran even before the straight of war moves is open. Now, you know, we did see a couple shipping tankers from China that we're able to get through.

Speaker 8

Now.

Speaker 9

China is a partner with Iran generally, So you know, does that tell us a lot?

Speaker 1

Not really.

Speaker 9

But I think when you look at the markets in general and you look at the fundamentals, you know, overall we haven't seen a lot of change in the fundamentals from a market standpoint. The technical analysis is still pretty good. The fundamental analysis is pretty good. And the other thing that you've seen is that the Brent crude oil has dropped below one hundred and ten dollars a barrel, and a lot of people say, well, you know, what is

Brent crude. You know, why is that a thing? Well, you know, here in the United States, we basically mark our prices to the West Texas creud, and that's what we generally see here in the United States. But the Brent crud is more of a national and global type of benchmark, and that comes from the North Sea, which is near Norway, Sweden, Finland, those types of areas, and

that's a sweeter crew that is used more globally. And so what you're seeing is is that a lot of these other nations are starting to say, hey, we have a decent amount of supply. We think that we can you know, manage a lot of this and really kind of get through it. And that's why you've seen Brent crud start to go down to one under uneath a hundred and dollars barrel, and the markets responded favorably.

Speaker 2

Yeah, and I think we were seeing actually the price of gas drop a little bit here.

Speaker 3

I believe it.

Speaker 2

I saw it what like three three forty or something yesterday. I'm like, wow, that dropped a lot really quickly. Is when it was driving that whole thing and you know, hero those doom and gloom, you know, it's gonna be as a it's a rough month for Wall Street, and you know, food and groceries. The war's pushing up prices for farmers because the fertilizer costs are going up, and then we have the tariffs and energy going in there too,

leading the bigger bills at the grocery store. We're going to talk mortgage rates here in a second, and we're supposed to turn a corner this year, but now there's a big question mark there and Asia in Europe, as you mentioned too, it's kind of a black Swan event because no one's immune to this whole thing. Gods to where you're standing with Iran, everyone's getting hurt by this around the globe.

Speaker 9

Yeah, and you've seen some complacency across the markets. There's really not a whole lot of capitulation whatsoever to be found in flows or volumes or fundamentals or technical analysis. And despite you know, some of these things that are going on, you know that investors generally are just looking for clues.

Speaker 3

And what we're trying to figure out is, you know, what does.

Speaker 9

It look like in Iran? Does it feel like it's coming, you know, to a crescendo? Does it feel like that we're coming to some type of agreement with Iran, and I think generally over the last couple of days, the answer is yes. And so when you have stock prices that have fallen so significantly over the last few weeks, you're starting to see a lot of bargains. And history shows if you're smart about understanding volume, volatility, et cetera, if you're able to buy the dip, it's going to

pay off for you in the long run. And so I think that's what we're seeing right now is that investors are thinking, Okay, well, the fundamentals are still good. If we can get this wrapped up, this is probably a good place to buy. And that's why you've seen the markets run, you know, a little bit yesterday, and we're starting to see that a little bit today as well.

Speaker 2

Yeah, that makes sense, And it's as you said, it's so hard to believe what the truth is because Trump says he's negotiating, and Pakistan says we're going to do and then Iran says, well, you're negotiating with yourself.

Speaker 3

You're not talking to anyone.

Speaker 2

At one point, hey, it looks optimistic they're going to wind you know, pulling, not maybe getting troops on the ground there, although we've brought about ten thousand more to the region. But at the same time, then we're talking about maybe bombing their power plants, which would probably, I guess, cause gas and oil to skyrocket, would it not? So Wall Street right now is bullsh and believing what the White House says at this point. If that turns out to be untrue, what happens then.

Speaker 9

Well, and I think if if that becomes untrue, then we can start to see inflation, you know, creep in you know, more systemically, And I think that's what everybody is trying to bet on right now. Does it look like this is going to be a problem for the next few months. Does it feel like it's going to be wrapped up in the next four to six weeks?

Like the Trump administration continues to say that, you know that that's their timeline, and you know, if it does continue to continue on, you know, we can see the FED start to take notice on this. And you know, we we've heard FED chairman pout basically say, hey, we're not really you know, too concerned about it right now, but if it continues, we might have to switch gears and start to raise interest rate, and certainly that's not

what anybody wants. When we look at futures and we look at what it looks like from an interest rate standpoint, Yes, it's probably still likely that we see an interest rate cut maybe in June, maybe one or two this year. But you know, if this continues to go on and the Trump administration doesn't have a way to get out of this, we can see interstrates maybe even tick up, and you know that's going to have an impact on the housing market. That's going to have an impact on borrowing.

It's also going to have an impact on corporate spending as well, because money becomes a little bit more expensive, and you know, if that happens, we can probably see the potential for a recession risk continue to creep up as well.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I want to be optimistic inside with the President on this and Withdlald Trump and say, look, I think that there's going to be an amicable solution here. What that looks like down the line, if it makes the region more unstable to run more and stable, we don't know. But a more peaceful settlement then just comes completely obliterating the entire country or the region it's not going to be good for anyone, and it's going to make things

much much worse. It's just a this is a classic foggle war moment, is what this is, right.

Speaker 9

Yeah, it and I think that you know, the you know, as Americans, we have a lot of leverage over there. Right now, it's pretty secure. I mean, we have a ten warthog over there, we have Apache helicopters. They're trying to secure the straight of Horror moves. Right now, we're starting to see some ships be able to get in. There's still a delay as far as what Donald Trump says, until at least April sixth before we start hitting their infrastructure. And you know, what we don't want to do is

impact the civilians in Iran. And we start to hit the energy infrastructure of Iran, that will certainly impact the civilians over there. So the clock is ticking.

Speaker 1

You know.

Speaker 9

Investors generally right now are feeling that there is you know, an end of this tunnel and we're starting to see the light at the end of it and.

Speaker 3

We'll see how it goes.

Speaker 9

But right now, I think there is a little bit of optimism and you know, obviously the markets are reflecting that all.

Speaker 2

Right, So in the last what roughly twenty five plus years, we saw a tech bubble, we saw financial crisis, we saw the housing meltdown, we saw COVID, and all sorts of geopolitical events that in history is always as indicator of future behavior. That's a very very true statement in that regard. What do we see here?

Speaker 1

What?

Speaker 2

What are the average pullbacks in those rough times?

Speaker 9

Yeah, I mean we usually see somewhere between ten and twenty percent. You know, a correction is defined by a ten percent pullback in the markets in general. You know, right now we're probably about eight percent down from where we were in January, you know, so you know, in the big scheme of things, it's not really that much. If you have a moderate portfolio, let's say a sixty percent stock portfolios, forty percent bonds, you know, maybe you're

only down three percent for the year. And so you don't want to overreact to these types of geopolitical turmoil events because we go through these all the time. I've been doing this for twenty seven years, and I've been through a lot of it. I started in the late nineties, you know, during the tech boom and nine to eleven et cetera. You know, even more recently when Russia invaded Ukraine. You know, that's kind of a blip on the radar

right now, but that's still going on. And at the end of the day, it's about the consumer in the United States. As long as unemployment is low and we have the ability to earn a way age, you know, we're really what drives the market, Scott's and as you know, as long as we continue to be productive here, you know, small geopolitical issues really don't move the.

Speaker 3

Needle that much.

Speaker 2

All right, He's Andy Schaeffer from all Worth Financial jumping on this Tuesday Marning just a little bit of a voice of reason and an over concerned world. It'll all balance out in the end, is what you're saying. Just give it a little bit of time, a little bit of time on that I mentioned earlier. They fed left interest rates unchanged. They've been kind of creeping higher lately because of inflation and rising all prices. But what do economists believe the longer term rates are going to?

Speaker 9

Well, I think that it's likely we see maybe a quarter percent cut this year, maybe two by you know, Midsummer next year. You know, some of those expectations have shifted though. I mean just four weeks ago, markets were pretty confident that we would see two quarter percent cut rates this year and that's kind of flipped to about maybe a twenty five percent chance that we get one hike.

So you know, that big swing right now is based on you know, what's going on in the straight horror moves, the concerns with energy prices, you know, from a global standpoint, and so you know, it's it's a good example of how marcuts really try to process uncertainty in real time. And we can see this happening if you watch the markets on a daily basis, or you hear what the FED has to say, and a lot of the Fed Committee members they like to you know, have their press.

Speaker 3

Conference as well.

Speaker 9

This is ongoing and I think the I think the takeaway here is, you know, really stick to your financial plan and what you're trying to get accomplished. A lot of times when we look at, you know, our expectations or assumptions for you know, our clients, you're you're figuring, you know, in a modern portfolio about seven percent average hand of your return per year well over the last three years.

Speaker 1

You know, those.

Speaker 9

Accounts have probably returned thirteen, fourteen, fifteen percent over the last three years equally. And so if we do go down a little bit this year, and I still believe that we'll probably end up on the higher end of that by the end of the year. But if we do go down a little bit this year, that's figured

into most financial plans. You have to understand that. You know, that's something that we take into account, and it's something you should make sure that you stick to and not get caught up in the minutia of the data day headlines because it'll drive you crazy.

Speaker 2

Yeah, it's just it's trying to process an uncertainty on an hourly byerly basis. Should be day to day now it's like minute by minute.

Speaker 9

Yeah, yeah, And you know, and Donald Trump really likes to say a lot of things. You know, it makes you know, it's like, you know, it makes my job a little bit harder.

Speaker 3

Oh yeah, things are going pretty good.

Speaker 1

None, they're not.

Speaker 9

You know, we can't you know, we're bombing again.

Speaker 1

Maybe we're not. Well.

Speaker 9

You know, investors are generally irrational by nature, and they respond to these things.

Speaker 2

So the two thirty pm Trump in the White House should talk to the two thirty am trump On on social media, on driven through social.

Speaker 9

Well, I think he probably wills to talk to me on mondays I can give him some advice.

Speaker 3

The swings are unreal.

Speaker 2

So once it settles down and enery places are stabilizing, we're shifting back.

Speaker 3

To rate cuts basically as the bottom line, I think so.

Speaker 9

And you know, as we do come to some sort of resolution here, you know, we'll probably see somewhere rate cuts. If it's likely that oil prices start to fall, if we start to get into the low nineties, that probably will continue on into maybe we see sixty dollars a barrow again in the summertime. And if we do see that,

the markets are going to rebound quite a bit. You know, when we look at the price earnings ratio on stocks, and that's a measurement of value, and you know how expensive is the stock versus you know, what they're really earning. The forward looking pet right now is about twenty and that is a pretty good moniker of saying, hey, things

are you know, a pretty good bye right now. And so, you know, people are trying to find deals in the marketplace, whether it's a specific sector in technology or energy or consumer staples. And I think that you know, if you're not in the market, now is the time to get back in.

Speaker 3

Okay, very good.

Speaker 2

And of course coming up this I believe Friday is the jobs report comes out.

Speaker 9

Yeah, we got a lot of you know, information that comes out this week. You know we're going to have jobs report. Certainly, you know we're going to get retail sales. That's going to be a delayed report that's coming out tomorrow. That's going to be important ism manufacturing. Know, we probably are looking at a little expansion there, which is also good.

And really Friday is the big big one. We're going to get us hourly wages, the unemployment rate, and so that's going to be important to tell us, you know, where we are from a labor standpoint, because at the end of the day, as long as we have the ability to make money that contributes to consumer spending and also retail sales.

Speaker 2

All right, So your guess, good as anybody's, what the job report is going to show.

Speaker 9

I think it's probably going to be somewhere where we are. I think that's probably we're going to be about four point four percent in the unemployment rate. We're probably going to look at a little bit of additional jobs, maybe fifty nine thousand additional jobs. Hourly wages will probably rise a little bit, maybe point three percent, maybe forty percent. And if that's true, if that holds true, that's going to be positive for the markets as well, because it basically represents a stable economy.

Speaker 3

Yeah, yeah, I got it all right. So that is on Friday, all those things as well.

Speaker 2

He's Andy Shaeffer at all Worth Financial, our weekly money tune up here, and he's got you covered. And of course their show airs at six o'clock over in fifty five KRC. It's six o'clock every weeknight, and that is a simpling money Andy over at all Worth all the best, brother, Appreciate you, Okay, Scott, talk to you next week.

Speaker 1

All right.

Speaker 2

Red's on a roll right now. That's three straight, baby, I was the game last night was awesome to nothing. Jase Spurns looked absolutely amazing. We'll see if we can get it done today a little bit. Well, that wind was blowing in pretty good. Not many long balls. I don't know how we're gonna get today. We're expecting forty mile in our winds on Wednesday, though. We'll see how that works, how that works out in some storms too.

But hey, you know what, you got schemes I believe on Wednesday, So hey, get it done today, right or tonight? I guess I should say here on the Home of the Red seven hundred W DOWT, since that

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