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Buzz Aldrin's Cyclers - A Safe Spaceship To Mars And Beyond

Mar 10, 202524 minEp. 494
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This episode explores Buzz Aldrin's visionary concept of the Aldrin Cycler, a spacecraft trajectory designed for efficient and safe travel to Mars and beyond. It details how cyclers function, offering benefits like ample shielding and cargo capacity, and discusses various cycler designs, including powered versions and applications for lunar travel. The episode emphasizes Aldrin's continued contributions to space exploration beyond his historic moonwalk.

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Buzz Aldrin’s legacy extends far beyond his historic steps on the Moon. As a visionary engineer and space advocate, he pioneered the concept of the Aldrin Cycler, a revolutionary spacecraft trajectory that could enable safe, efficient, and cost-effective missions to Mars and beyond. In this episode, we explore how cycler spacecraft function, their potential to transform interplanetary travel, and why they remain a compelling solution for future space exploration. Join us as we celebrate the contributions of one of spaceflight’s greatest pioneers and examine the technology that could one day carry humanity to the Red Planet and beyond.


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Buzz Aldrin's Cyclers - A Safe Spaceship To Mars And Beyond

Episode 489a; March 10, 2025

Written, Produced & Narrated by: Isaac Arthur

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Hello SFIA Audio listeners, in this month's Nebula-exclusive, Big Alien Theory, we're asked if the reason alien civilizations might be rare is because most aliens are huge. To hear it and every episode early and ad free, plus hours of bonus content, check out go.nebula.tv slash Isaac Arthur and use my code IsaacArthur. Fifty-five years ago, Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin became the first people to set foot on the moon, and along with Michael Collins, rode Apollo 11 back to Earth.

and open the road from Earth to the stars, in the hearts of the 650 million people who witnessed the landing, and the rest of us who were born after. While Neil Armstrong and Michael Collins are no longer with us, at age 95 General Aldrin remains a living legend, and the work of all three Apollo 11 astronauts will be remembered for ages to come.

But Aldrin's work to help with space neither began nor ended with that mission. He is a governor of the National Space Society and for many of our long-term members he is family, a fellow advocate and scientist working to pave that road to space who has developed many projects and led many efforts to help with that goal we'll be focusing on one of those projects to-day the mars cycler craft better known now as an aldrin cycler

a spacecraft able to carry large cargoes back and forth to earth cheaply and safely i think it's easy for buzz's work as a scientist and engineer to get overshadowed by that historic mission After graduating from West Point in 1951, with a degree in Mechanical Engineering, he would go on to fly 66 combat missions during the Korean War, before completing his doctorate in 1963 from MIT.

His doctoral thesis was already on a space-bent, line-of-sight guidance techniques for manned orbital rendezvous, and the Air Force that assigned him to Project Gemini. he and jim lovel went on to fly the gemini twelve mission in nineteen sixty six and both would later serve in the apollo missions with lovel being the commander of the fateful apollo thirteen mission notably during that final gemini mission

it was aldrin who navigated to the agenda target vehicle when their computer broke down using a sextant and a pencil and who performed the first completely successful spacewalk succeeding in a series of tasks deemed critical for the apollo mission to move forward if he had never done another thing for space exploration and development his position in space history would have been forever secure but as mentioned he has been very active in the space community afterwards

again including his role as a long-time governor of the national space society which i have the honor of serving as president of and the mars society steering committee and speaking of mars in nineteen eighty five he would develop a spacecraft trajectory known as the Aldrin Cycle, and he would work with others to develop the concept and publish papers on it and some related alternatives. But what is it?

Simply put, a cyclocraft, sometimes called a cyclocastle because of their implied role and purpose, which is to simply act as a fairycraft back and forth between Ciclinal space and Mars orbit. Once you build one, or a pair of them, and put them in the orbital pattern they can loop past earth and mars over and over again without needing to spend any more fuel themselves except maybe a little for minor course corrections though there are powered versions we'll also look at today

this means they can carry a huge amount of shielding along with tons of other equipment needed for the crew during the voyage between planets but not on the planet thus you can send a light shuttle up with a crew for a mission without all the bulky radiation shielding and without needing to carry tons of water or air or the equipment to recycle or clean them. The cycler castle is well stocked for its long siege by radiation, micrometeors, and the vacuum of space.

while we would expect early cyclers to be fairly bare bones later stage ones could get away at the rotating sections for spin gravity using water reserves for keeping fish and algae for food and even a swimming pool

and growing a steady supply of fresh produce to help recycle carbon dioxide and give the crew some green space too. When you arrive at Mars, your smaller ship then exits, flies down to Mars or to a space station over Mars, and proceeds with its mission there ideally after the first mission or two you have nuclear reactors in air water and fuel production down on mars to replenish fuel for the return flight to orbit some months later

and if you are only using one cycler it will be quite a few months. There's also no reason that cyclers themselves might not have reactors as power sources, and such a craft could harbor crews of well over one hundred people, maybe many more, it's all a matter of scale they also might be very automated and carry cargo for drop-off on their first test run cyclers rely on minimum energy holman transfer orbits

as they essentially make a single long eccentric loop around the Sun, moving between those two bodies. In the case of the Mars Cycler, it spends 5 months going from Earth up to Mars, spends another 16 months up past Mars, and another five months again back down to earth's orbit then repeats the process every twenty-six months i use the analogy of a big empty train that drives a scenic route and never stops

you still have to expend fuel as normal to get people, equipment, and supplies to and from the cycler. But at least you have a big comfortable living space for the trip once you did, and a lot of heavier equipment and recyclable supplies for those 5 month journeys also need to be brought just once. It is often suggested that we would use two Aldrin cyclors running on different schedules to cut down on trip duration, one used for the trip there and the other for the one back.

And even in a more distant future with faster spacecraft propulsion that might use tons of energy to get you to Mars and back in a week or less, which would be great for travelers, you still benefit immensely by moving cargo this way or passengers not in a rush.

timing is still problematic as usual with launch windows into space but you can launch early and avoid weather issues by already being in space needless to say you've got a problem if you miss the rendezvous window after that You could burn more fuel to catch up, the window isn't that tight, but unless you've got a space station to return to at Mars, you're going to have to land again on the Red Planet.

This is one of the reasons I tend to like robust missions, with cyclers in a space station orbiting the planet and a permanent facility below that you're just changing crew out of, as it means you've got a lot more redundancy and backup plans available. And when you're planning trips of hundreds of millions of miles lasting hundreds of days, you could never have too much redundancy. This approach is not limited to moving between Earth and Mars, it works on any pair of planets.

We also say Cislunar Space and Mars rather than Earth, as it might be carrying traffic from our Moon or from various space bases rather than Earth directly. so you can't have an Earth-Venus cycler or an Earth-Saturn cycler or even a Mars-to-Jupiter cycler, where it may be carrying volatiles back from the icy moons of Jupiter for Mars to use in terraforming or paraterraforming operations.

Cyclers are great for near the moons of Jupiter where the radiation around Jupiter is immense, and thus short flights on less shielded shuttles, using less fuel, to get to a cycler that carries heavier shielding for long trips is ideal. They're also great candidates for nuclear propulsion since they don't need to come particularly nearer planets and can use ion drives or other low-thrust, high-efficiency engines.

Indeed they could be built to give a little boost to ships leaving them to save them fuel, and then regenerate the momentum they loan those ships. As an alternative to making or carrying fuel from planets, you could be making it on moons and having those brought into orbital depots or the cyclers themselves to refuel ships. Speaking of moons…

The cyclone method works as well on two moons orbiting a planet as it does two planets orbiting a star, or asteroids for that matter. Indeed we have an interstellar version we looked at in its own episodes some years back. Such a cycler castle could make trade among the moons of Jupiter vastly more practical, as the cycles are a lot shorter in duration for lunar transits and that extra shielding is a literal life-saver.

but they could be stocking up ices to hand off to a Jupiter Mars or Jupiter Earth Cycler, or even a Jupiter Asteroid Belt Cycler, and a nuclear powered Cycler could spend that long trip transmuting those ices into rocket fuel with this extra energy, and replenish its own propellant while it was at it. Indeed, the shipments might come by unmanned pods, rockets, or fired from a mass driver from Ganymede or Europa.

those could then be unloaded to depots for the thirsty ships needing water fuel air or whatever else we wish to trade including surplus food grown on a cycler in elliptical orbits you are essentially falling down on the return part of the loop and speeding up as you go, then slowing after you loop around the primary and back out from it, with gravity trying to pull you back.

This means that your speed is lower on that boring leg spent out past the more distant of the two bodies you're moving traffic between. Thus you don't really want anyone on there besides a tender crew. We'll talk more about why and how long voyages to other planets would be, along with a quicker voyage into our own Moon, in just a moment. Cyclors spend most of their voyage in dead space.

These might be highly automated with the intent to leave the craft empty except for when it is making a trip between the two bodies. Cyclo trajectories occur in multiples of the synodic period between those two bodies, or when they reach conjunction again.

that's how long it takes for them to loop back to the same spot relative to each other so earth orbits the sun considerably faster than mars does once every three hundred sixty five days versus five hundred seven days for mars but has to loop around to catch back up with mars which has been moving that whole time so earth and mars both rotate through much more than three hundred sixty degrees and this full synodic period is seven hundred eighty days

2.135 years or 25.6 months or 111 weeks. Ironically this is one of the worst options for timing, the next worst is with venus at five hundred eighty four days or one point six years targets in the asteroid belt tend to come in at about a year and a half too everything else on a cycler orbit for earth is just over a year because they orbit very slowly so Earth just needs to loop around a bit over once to catch back up to them. And they will not have completed a full orbit themselves.

Mercury, the high-speed planet closest to the Sun, is an exception, with a synodic period of 116 days, and our own Moon has a 29.5 days synodic period.

a handy point to note because that's how long between full moons whereas the moon actually completes an orbit of earth of three hundred sixty degrees every twenty seven point three days Earth moves further around the sun in that time and so for the moon to get back to its full moon location, exactly on the other side of Earth from the sun, takes an extra fifty-three hours.

Earth's year being 365 days long, our synodic periods with the outer planets are 399 days for Jupiter, 378 for Saturn, 370 for Uranus, 368 for Neptune, and 367 for Pluto. this does not mean you're making the trip that fast you still have to orbit further than your target planet is thus you are going to have a total cycle time longer than the outer body's own year which is twelve earth years for jupiter

and a couple of centuries for Pluto. You are not necessarily passing very close to the planet each time either. That first launch from Earth, done at the right time, gets you to Mars five months later.

and then loops back across its orbital path around month twenty one but you're nowhere near mars right then indeed earth is much closer and you'll return to it in month twenty six and get a return to mars at month thirty one We could potentially be considering powered low thrust trajectories on that cycle to alter this, and we will in a bit, but it's easier to use a second one that does a fast run from Mars to Earth instead.

Normally, when we talk about 26-month launch windows to Mars, it's the same basic concept though the timing isn't the same. You get there in more like 9 months, land, then launch when the Mars to Earth window arrives, which is a separate schedule but also on a 26-month timeline. So launch from Earth on September 26, 2024 would arrive at Mars on June 11, 2025.

Irritatingly, the window from Mars back to Earth opened up July 20th, 2024, before we even departed Earth, and would have arrived April 5th, 2025.

the next window home from mars isn't until november eleventh twenty twenty six with an arrival date of may twenty fourth twenty twenty seven so you spend a year and a half waiting for your return window down on mars that's a nine hundred seventy one day voyage thirty two months not counting the time actually getting up from earth as you are probably departing earth some days earlier to avoid risking missing the martian window from bad weather

and get into a good position to make the burn to your transfer orbit. A second cycler lets us get away with some shorter windows. Now here's where things shift around a bit, because we don't need to have a period of just one synodic cycle. We aren't planning to ride the thing around all the time, but just for that short leg from one planet to another. So we can get much more frequent windows by having multiple cyclers and ones on different orbital durations,

say two or three synodic periods. We also contemplate grabbing some small asteroid on trajectories not too far off a cycloorbit to shove into one of these, then dig into it and use it for shielding and raw materials.

i should note that an earth mars cycler can be set to pass close or through the asteroid belt so it might serve for missions there too this is where powered cyclists come into discussion as well because while the cool thing about a cycler is that you don't need to constantly burn fuel, if you already have a nuclear reactor in there anyway, you could be running an ion drive, as we already discussed, with that surplus power and just tanking up on new propellant occasionally,

as ion drives use a lot less mass for propellant than a chemical rocket does, they just burn real slow. But these cyclers have a surplus of time, especially ones on multiple synodic periods or to deeper space objects beyond the asteroid belt i should note that a solar powered one could also do this on legs closer to the sun but those are short

so this is an area where nuclear power, be it fission or fusion if you've got it, will tend to work best, though beaming power out by a laser or microwave is also an option. So too, a solar sail or magnetic sail has a lot going for them. Ethan McDonald looked at a powered version of a cycler, assuming a low-thrust option like this a couple years back, and calculates a window that would have left Earth on February 23rd, 2022.

arrive at Mars over a year later in March 7th, 2023, departed back to Earth just one month later on April 6th, 2023, and arrived home on May 20th, 2024. This does not leave you a lot of time on Mars, but would be handy if you were swapping crew out on a mission, they get a month to get down to the planet with the new folks and supplies, meet, help accustom the new arrivals to the ongoing projects, and then head home.

The other advantage of this powered route is that you're arriving at Mars at 5 kilometers per second relative to Mars, whereas the normal version, also called the ballistic version, involves arriving at Mars from Earth at 11 kilometers per second, and leaving Mars to go back to Earth at six kilometers per second. That means your shuttle coming to and from the planet needs to spend a lot more fuel to make its transfer from the planet to the cyclers or vice versa.

Either version works best with multiple cyclers on the track. Typically two, but again we can get away with a complementary pair on any of the cycler orbits.

ryan russell and caesar acampa identified twenty four earth mole cyclors with periods of two to four synodic periods and even more for larger numbers of synodic periods along with hundreds of non-ballistic cyclors ones which would require some powered maneuvers since these generally are designed individually for either getting you from earth to mars or mars to earth we typically refer to the former as the up escalator and the latter for the return trip

as the down escalator an exception to this would be cyclists going to venus or mercury since they would be down from earth as the sun is at the bottom of the solar system while the kuiper belt or even the oort cloud may be thought of as its top another exception to the dedicated up and down escalator would be those travelling to the asteroid belt kuiper belt or oort cloud as those are not single spots but a wide disk or torus or even sphere

allowing an object passing through them to be having long rendezvous windows to many objects both coming and going and with cyclers of different periods since in the case of the asteroid belt orbital periods for asteroids are anywhere from three to six years another modification aldrin suggested was a semi-cycler as an alternative to a ballistic or powered cycler this one arrives at mars from earth and enters orbit of it acting as a base of operations in space during that time

then leaves later for a return trip and this uses a lot of fuel but takes the fuel load off the shuttles themselves and various proposed gravity assist manoeuvres cut the fuel requirement down by fifteen per cent these are likely to be much less massive affairs than the kind we are imagining that would be on ballistic trajectories for centuries of stops and instead would be more akin to other notions of having a ship that goes to mars

stays in orbit and then departs after the crew go down explore and return on some shuttle or lander now as mentioned these can be set up for other planets and they are particularly nice for mercury where you have a much shorter synodic period and where powered orbits might be easier with all that sunlight to draw on, particularly for a solar sail. Generally you get faster speeds involved too. But a much shorter version, and one that might be handy sooner than later, is a cycler to the Moon.

and this is something buzz aldrin and anthony jeneva explored in a paper a little under a decade back called a free return earth-moon cycloorbit for an interplanetary cruise ship and reminds us that we don't have to make cyclers between planets around the same star or moons around the same planet but can set them up with some modification for a planet and its moons or even lagrange points i sure note that a lot of folks have worked on cyclers over the years including buzz's son andy aldrin

and I do not want to diminish their own input, even as we remember Buzz, nor do I want to imply their only role is for getting to Mars or even our Moon. And Earth to solar L1 cyclor might be very handy for instance, as we often imagine setting up large orbital infrastructure there.

especially on other planets where we might want to help terraform them by putting solar shades lenses or magnets there to help cool a planet like venus or warm one like mars or give Mars an artificial magnetosphere to help it retain an atmosphere we might want to add to it.

since there are likely to be a lot more planets in this galaxy that are almost habitable than actually habitable in these regards many might have robust l one infrastructure to help make that planet habitable and benefit from a cycle or two then or to their l four or l five lagrange points as much as a moon cycler as many may not have a moon of note we do and we haven't been back to it in half a century

the youngest person to walk on the moon charles duke was born in nineteen thirty five and i dare say the only reason we have any of those moonwalkers still with us is their overall good health which was a factor in their selection and made for impressive longevity An Aldrin cyclo used for the moon could help us get back there and provide a steady trip on a device that can handle the radiation in space.

and if we haven't established moon base and communications satellites there there's no need for a command module to orbit the moon while folks are down at a permanent base nor do we need the journey to be particularly short Apollo 11's whole mission was just over 8 days long, from launch to splashdown, and Aldrin and Armstrong spent just over a day on the surface of the Moon.

as a side note we'll be coming up on the one hundredth anniversary of bob goddard's first liquid fjord rocket back in nineteen twenty six and not many know that buzz aldrin's father edward and eugene aldrin senior studied rocketry under bob goddard Buzz is the junior in this case, and both went by Gene and Buzz respectively.

jean aldrin was an engineer and physicist and founded the air force institute of technology at wright-parison air force base in dayton which i used to work at in two thousand back when i was twenty and finishing up my undergrad in physics back in nineteen sixty nine when they opened up the robert goddard memorial library buzz aldrin cut the ribbon for it on its opening day and when he traveled to the moon later that year he took with him a miniature version of goddard's autobiography

Nasa told him he couldn't leave it on the moon so he brought it home signed it and gave it to Goddard's widow Esther. So that book made the whole journey along with the Apollo 11 crew and completed another circle too, for the Goddard and Aldrin families.

three or four days of traveling in a cramped module is no fun so making that trip longer is unappealing but a cycle from earth to the moon doesn't make that much longer unless you're crewing the device continuously which i suspect you would be and could be made a lot more comfortable by bigger size, again including more shielding and perhaps a spin-gravity section somewhere between the Moon and Earth gravity for people to adjust to.

it might be a popular cruise route too as some of its legs go out from earth and back to earth without passing the moon in the middle its orbital patterns look more like flower petals extending out from earth than the elliptical version around the sun of planetary cyclers

and the three petal cycler that aldrin suggested in nineteen eighty five for a cycler to the moon makes a pass at the moon every twenty-six days but earth more often it's basically flying by earth on each of those petals but only one petal goes to the moon and the others in an empty space each leg lasts around a week again a good cruise length for possible space tourism to help fund its primary mission back and forth to the moon

Ehrenstorff originally suggested a Lunar Cycler concept of four pedals back in 1963, which has longer transfer times, and actually requires a little bit less thrust than the later three-petal design at 19 meters per second of Delta V,

but neither is very high, tens of meters per second not kilometers per second, so we can replenish that a lot easier. There are several other patterns potentially available, And if we do build up our lunar L4 and L5 Lagrange points, which are attractive space development locations too, a low-powered version might be able to rendezvous with one or both of them on an empty loop.

People traveling to and from the moon spend a few days on each leg and those departures occur a little under once a month, and multiple cyclers could narrow that down even more so that if we wanted we could have daily departures. but just one can do the job well enough for all purposes, so we can't be bringing crew and supplies to our permanent moon base much more often, and other versions designed to function with a lunar space station or a lunar space elevator open other doors.

And there we have it, a way to get back to the Moon or to other planets, developed with the assistance of one of its very first pioneers. A vision from a man who not just walked on the Moon but has spent his life helping others follow in those footsteps. reaching for new worlds beyond.

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