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School of War

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In School of War, CBS News National Security Analyst and Free Press columnist Aaron MacLean sits down with secretaries of state, top military historians, war planners, and key political decision-makers to help understand the lessons of war. Tune in as School of War takes you to the front lines. Aaron MacLean is a senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps. Visit our Substack for episode transcripts Follow along on Instagram
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Ep 217: Steven Rabalais on Ike’s Mentor

Steven Rabalais, litigator and author of General Fox Conner: Pershing's Chief of Operations and Eisenhower's Mentor , joins the show to discuss the extraordinary influence of now-forgotten General Fox Connor on the outcome of WWI and Eisenhower’s career. ▪️ Times • 01:51 Introduction • 03:10 Growing up with history • 05:47 A southern story • 07:44 West Point struggles • 12:07 A reader • 14:50 Coastal artillery • 20:46 Rocks and airplanes • 23:51 Mechanism of victory • 27:54 WWI logistics • 32:47...

Jul 25, 20251 hr 6 min

Ep 216: Will Somerindyke on Making Munitions in America

Will Somerindyke, Chairman of Regulus Global and CEO of UNION, joins the show to discuss rebuilding the U.S. defense industrial base. ▪️ Times • 01:36 Introduction • 02:35 A navy family • 05:51 Regulus • 08:05 American made • 10:45 155 • 14:44 Integration • 16:53 Supply chains • 23:20 Demand • 28:27 Flexibility • 31:40 Forging vs casting • 33:45 UNION • 37:27 Customers • 40:07 Mindset Follow along on Instagram, X @schoolofwarpod , and YouTube @SchoolofWarPodcast Find a transcript of today’s epis...

Jul 22, 202542 min

Ep 215: Ryan McDermott on Invading Iraq in 2003

Ryan McDermott, Army veteran of the 2003 invasion of Iraq and author of Downriver: Memoir of a Warrior Poet , joins the show to talk about his combat experiences. ▪️ Times • 01:13 Introduction • 01:55 Seeking purpose • 04:11 West Point • 06:48 9/11 • 08:41 3rd Infantry Division • 10:12 Platoon tactics • 14:51 “Crossing tonight” • 18:08 Preparing for combat • 23:40 Tired • 29:37 Baghdad • 35:51 Thunder Runs Follow along on Instagram, X @schoolofwarpod , and YouTube @SchoolofWarPodcast Find a tran...

Jul 18, 202538 min

Ep 214: Bryan Clark on the Coming Sensor War with China

Bryan Clark, senior fellow and director of the Center for Defense Concepts and Technology at Hudson Institute, joins the show to talk about how a war with China could play out. ▪️ Times • 01:51 Introduction • 02:00 Submariner • 10:10 Environmental conditions • 12:40 State of play • 20:04 Complacency • 23:36 Hellscape • 32:14 Cultural differences • 37:20 Party control • 43:40 Degraded environment • 48:02 Practice now • 51:45 Deterrence Follow along on Instagram, X @schoolofwarpod , and YouTube @S...

Jul 15, 202558 min

Ep 213: Paul Lay on Cromwell and the English Civil War

Paul Lay, Senior Editor of Engelsberg Ideas and author of Providence Lost: The Rise and Fall of Cromwell's Protectorate ,joins the show to talk about the turbulent age of the English Civil War, Cromwell, and the Protectorate. ▪️ Times • 01:45 Introduction • 02:00 17th century • 03:51 The Thirty Years War • 12:40 Anti-Catholicism • 15:24 Underlying causes • 21:46 Cromwell • 30:34 Thatcher • 33:04 The Rump Parliament • 37:07 Western Design • 54:44 Reverberations Follow along on Instagram, X @schoo...

Jul 08, 202558 min

Ep 212: Arnold Punaro on Fighting in Vietnam and Washington

Arnold Punaro, retired USMC Major General and author of If Confirmed: An Insider's View of the National Security Confirmation Process , joins the show to talk about his infantry service in Vietnam and his experiences serving in Washington DC. ▪️ Times • 01:35 Introduction • 05:40 5 weeks • 10:51 Officer training • 13:18 3/7 • 16:37 Jungle fighting • 23:25 Wounded • 31:32 Payback • 36:35 Bad situation • 40:10 Getting home • 45:46 The Senate • 49:28 Getting the facts • 54:00 Service Follow along o...

Jul 04, 20251 hr 1 min

Ep 211: Daniel Samet on the Origins of the U.S.-Israel Relationship

Daniel Samet, the George P. Shultz Fellow at the Ronald Reagan Institute and author of U.S. Defense Policy toward Israel: A Cold War History , joins the show to breakdown the origins of the important, if at times contentious, U.S.-Israel relationship. ▪️ Times • 01:30 Introduction • 02:28 1948 • 05:44 Arabist strategy • 08:13 11 minutes • 10:37 Looking for friends • 15:40 Soviet-Arab relations • 19:25 Republicans • 25:16 Kennedy • 29:29 Strong friends • 32:02 Nuclear program • 37:33 6 Day War • ...

Jul 01, 202554 min

Ep 210: Scott Boorman on Sun Tzu

Scott Boorman, Professor of Sociology at Yale University and author of Three Faces of Sun Tzu , joins the show to discuss the world and ideas of Sun Tzu. ▪️ Times • 01:48 Introduction • 02:10 “Know your enemy” • 05:18 The Protracted Game • 09:59 Text and application • 16:05 Warring states • 21:14 Chinese thinking • 24:58 Net assessment • 29:05 Cunning • 32:02 Omissions • 37:05 Memorization Follow along on Instagram, X @schoolofwarpod , and YouTube @SchoolofWarPodcast Find a transcript of today’s...

Jun 27, 202539 min

Ep 209: Jonathan Schanzer on the Israel-Iran Ceasefire

Jonathan Schanzer, executive director at FDD, joins the show to break down his time on the ground in Israel at the beginning of the war and what may come with the Israel-Iran ceasefire in place. ▪️ Times • 01:27 Introduction • 02:10 Extraction • 05:50 Different • 09:25 In the shelter • 12:03 Damage taken • 16:18 Stress • 17:45 Getting out • 24:57 Road ahead • 30:40 Iranian risks • 32:10 Hamas Follow along on Instagram, X @schoolofwarpod , and YouTube @SchoolofWarPodcast Find a transcript of toda...

Jun 24, 202536 min

Ep 208: Mike Doran on America’s Strikes in Iran

Mike Doran, senior fellow and director of the Center for Peace and Security in the Middle East at the Hudson Institute, joins the show to break down America’s strikes against Iran’s nuclear facilities and what might come next. ▪️ Times • 01:00 Reactions • 08:00 Deception • 12:00 More to come • 17:00 Self-deception • 24:00 Next few days • 31:00 Escalation • 34:00 Not over • 41:00 Trump is serious • 44:00 Restraintists Follow along on Instagram, X @schoolofwarpod , and YouTube @SchoolofWarPodcast ...

Jun 22, 202545 min

Ep 207: Mark Dubowitz on the Israel-Iran War and American Intervention

Mark Dubowitz, CEO of FDD, joins the show to bring us up to speed on the Israel-Iran conflict, and the possibility of America’s intervention. ▪️ Times • 01:00 Achievements • 05:00 Retaliation • 09:00 Hard math • 16:00 Intervention • 24:00 Outcomes • 30:00 Ground operations • 32:00 Another Iraq? • 38:00 Resolve and stability • 42:00 “Iraq Syndrome” Follow along on Instagram, X @schoolofwarpod , and YouTube @SchoolofWarPodcast Find a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War Substack...

Jun 20, 202543 min

Ep 206: Cleo Paskal on China’s Central Pacific Strategy

Cleo Paskal, non-resident senior fellow at FDD and author of Crossroads of Competition , joins the show to discuss China’s campaign for influence and control at the scene of America’s bloody island-hopping campaign in WW2. ▪️ Times • 01:35 Introduction • 04:03 Pacific desert • 07:45 Control • 13:48 Post 1945 • 22:43 Significance • 24:31 Yap • 29:43 Divisions • 32:18 Diplomatic maintenance • 35:54 Designs • 41:30 Strategic concerns Follow along on Instagram, X @schoolofwarpod , and YouTube @Schoo...

Jun 17, 202550 min

Ep 205: Mark Dubowitz on Israel’s Unfolding Campaign in Iran

Mark Dubowitz, CEO of FDD, joins the show to breakdown last night’s spectacular Israeli strikes against the Iranian Regime and its nuclear program, and what comes next. ▪️ Times • 02:00 Deception • 06:00 Targets • 09:00 The Scientists • 11:00 Complacency • 14:00 Israeli goals • 19:00 Regime change • 23:00 Strikes and talks • 29:00 Drones • 31:00 Counterpunch? Follow along on Instagram, X @schoolofwarpod , and YouTube @SchoolofWarPodcast Find a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War S...

Jun 13, 202531 min

Ep 204: Annie Jacobsen on Nuclear War

Annie Jacobsen, journalist and author of Nuclear War: A Scenario , joins the show to discuss nuclear weapons and their use. ▪️ Times • 01:20 Introduction • 02:50 Finding the music • 07:02 Reporting • 09:15 Hidden information • 11:22 The scenario • 13:50 Launch on warning • 17:30 Villians • 20:45 Annihilation • 26:25 The Black Book • 30:40 North Korea • 34:03 Interception • 37:42 ICBMs • 43:39 Deterrence • 49:29 Obama • 52:50 Right to know Follow along on Instagram, X @schoolofwarpod , and YouTub...

Jun 10, 202555 min

Ep 203: Stephen Rabe on the Invasion of Normandy

Stephen Rabe, historian and author of The Lost Paratroopers of Normandy: A Story of Resistance, Courage, and Solidarity in a French Village , joins the show to discuss one of the countless, incredible stories from D-Day. ▪️ Times • 01:18 Introduction • 01:25 Marine • 02:50 Origins • 06:48 Normandy • 09:29 507th • 15:20 Training • 18:23 Overlord • 21:21 The Villagers • 25:20 A change in plans • 30:07 HQ Battalion • 36:17 Armageddon • 39:00 17th SS Panzergrenadier Division • 44:01 Staying behind •...

Jun 06, 202551 min

Ep 202: Fred Kagan on Ukraine’s Attack and the Future of War

Fred Kagan, senior fellow and the director of the Critical Threats Project at AEI, joins the show to discuss Ukraine’s drone operation targeting Russia’s strategic air assets. ▪️ Times • 01:46 Introduction • 02:25 What just happened? • 07:48 Escalation risk • 10:20 Control • 12:39 Implications • 21:10 Stratagems • 24:04 Effects • 30:40 Economic pressure • 37:20 Continuing operations Follow along on Instagram, X @schoolofwarpod , and YouTube @SchoolofWarPodcast Find a transcript of today’s episod...

Jun 03, 202543 min

Ep 201: Zachary Griffiths & McKinsey Harb on the U.S. Army

Lt. Col. Zachary Griffiths & Maj. McKinsey Harb joined the show to discuss the U.S. Army’s new Field Manual 1, FM 1 -THE ARMY: A PRIMER TO OUR PROFESSION OF ARMS . ▪️ Times • 01:22 Introduction • 01:51 West Point • 05:43 Culture shift • 08:50 FM 1 • 12:00 Ben Salomon • 18:06 Warrior • 24:04 Tensions • 31:05 Recruiting • 35:18 Leader/follower • 42:19 Mission command...

May 30, 202546 min

Ep 200: Rick Atkinson on the American Revolution at 250

Rick Atkinson, historian and author of The Fate of the Day: The War for America, Fort Ticonderoga to Charleston, 1777-1780 , joins the show to discuss the causes, conduct, and epic consequences of the American Revolution. ▪️ Times • 02:08 Introduction • 02:21 Journalism • 04:30 Mogadishu • 09:30 Lessons • 12:49 Ideology • 16:36 Diplomacy • 20:21 Boston • 22:59 “Blows must decide” • 28:05 British strategy • 31:27 Washington • 36:49 Franklin in Paris • 41:15 Friendless Britain • 45:57 Legacy • 51:...

May 27, 202554 min

Ep 199: Jonathan Hackett on Our Failures in Iraq & Afghanistan

Jonathan Hackett, former U.S. Marine Corps interrogator and author of Theory of Irregular War , joins the show to discuss America’s post-9/11 wars and how irregular warfare works. ▪️ Times • 01:12 Introduction • 01:30 A good interrogator • 03:26 Afghanistan • 06:15 In the interrogation room • 12:10 The Reid Technique • 14:27 Galula • 17:10 A military solution • 23:32 Voluntary acceptance • 25:34 Irregular War • 28:20 The war we have • 31:33 COIN • 36:10 Speaking the language Follow along on Inst...

May 23, 202541 min

Ep 198: Robert D. Kaplan on Crisis

Robert D. Kaplan, Robert Strausz-Hupé Chair in Geopolitics at the Foreign Policy Research Institute and author of Waste Land: A World in Permanent Crisis , joins the show to discuss the world’s current state of “permanent crisis”. ▪️ Times • 01:40 Introduction • 02:00 Far Rockaway • 04:55 Balkan Ghosts • 08:20 Geography and technology • 10:55 Weimar • 13:43 Mediocrities • 17:44 Reading deeply • 20:30 Shakespeare • 23:20 Where to watch • 26:59 Xi and Taiwan • 28:39 Sacred honor • 31:22 Post-moder...

May 20, 202538 min

Ep 197: Mick Ryan on the Ukrainian Battlefield

Mick Ryan, retired major general in the Australian Army and author of The War for Ukraine: Strategy and Adaptation Under Fire , joins the show to discuss the evolving battlefield and cycles of change and innovation going on in Ukraine. ▪️ Times • 01:35 Introduction • 02:17 Touring the front • 05:11 No place safe • 07:01 Change • 11:24 Wire guided drones • 15:31 Task organization • 20:38 Drone defense • 22:49 Is artillery dead? • 26:39 Rethinking procurement • 30:34 2014 • 33:07 Putin’s objective...

May 13, 202542 min

Ep 196: Thomas Bruscino and Mitchell G. Klingenberg on Mapping Warfare

Thomas Bruscino, professor at the U.S. Army War College, and Mitchell G. Klingenberg, assistant professor at the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College, join the show to discuss their article "Making War Upon the Map" The U.S. Army’s Forgotten Map Problem, Meade’s Gettysburg Campaign, and Depicting Operational Art . ▪️ Times • 02:05 Introduction • 03:12 What’s missing? • 06:17 A modern problem • 09:27 Meade takes command • 11:29 Seeing both sides • 15:41 South Mountain • 22:54 Lee’s mistake...

May 09, 202551 min

Ep 195: John Hillen on Strategic Thinking

John Hillen, James C. Wheat Professor in Leadership at Hampden-Sydney College and author of The Strategy Dialogues: A Primer on Business Strategy and Strategic Management , joins the show to talk about how to think strategically in war, business, and life. ▪️ Times • 01:55 Introduction • 02:31 An Army start • 05:17 Cold War ends • 10:14 The Gulf • 13:15 Changing styles • 18:00 73 Easting • 22:59 Policy and business • 26:09 Strategos • 29:04 In the doing • 32:17 Inside out & outside in • 36:4...

May 06, 202547 min

Ep 194: Mark Moyar on the Vietnam War

Mark Moyar, William P. Harris Chair of Military History at Hillsdale College and author of Triumph Regained: The Vietnam War, 1965-1968 , joins the show to explain the major inflection points of the Vietnam War. ▪️ Times • 01:58 Introduction • 02:47 The “orthodox view” • 05:51 Dominos • 08:41 A Maoist vision • 12:42 1963 • 15:30 Henry Cabot Lodge • 21:10 Slow erosion • 24:57 Ground troops • 30:10 Morale • 33:39 Nixon in office • 37:30 Triangular diplomacy • 39:31 Vietnamization fails • 43:09 Ame...

May 02, 202554 min

Ep 193: Douglas Murray on Israel’s War and its Global Consequences

Douglas Murray, journalist and author of On Democracies and Death Cults: Israel and the Future of Civilization , joins the show for a wide ranging conversation that covers Death Cults, anti-Semitism, and recent shifts in the Right. ▪️ Times • 01:42 Introduction • 03:00 9/11 origins • 09:50 It’s not 1939 • 13:45 Death cults • 19:16 “I’m not a fascist, I’m an idealist.” • 23:51 Vasily Grossman • 37:05 What’s going on with the Right? • 49:07 Nostalgia for the absolute • 54:10 Regaining balance Foll...

Apr 29, 202556 min

Ep 192: Raymond Jonas on Europe’s War on the Monroe Doctrine (~165 years ago)

Raymond Jonas, Jon Bridgman Endowed Professor in History at the University of Washington and author of Habsburgs on the Rio Grande: The Rise and Fall of the Second Mexican Empire , joins the show to discuss a failed-but-spectacular 19th Century attempt by European powers to undermine the Monroe Doctrine. ▪️ Times • 01:42 Introduction • 03:31 Transatlantic relations • 05:20 Europe distracted • 08:39 Secession and unrest • 12:46 Maximillian I • 17:55 Continental powers • 20:01 Britain, France and ...

Apr 25, 202548 min

Ep 191: Mark Dubowitz on Iran and the Trump Administration

Mark Dubowitz, CEO of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and host of The Iran Breakdown podcast, joins the show to discuss the Iranian nuclear program, where things stand with the Trump administration’s pursuit of a deal, and the prospects of an Israeli attack. ▪️ Times • 01:33 Introduction • 02:04 Beginnings • 04:25 A weapon is the purpose • 07:31 Enrichment • 12:32 JCPOA • 16:54 “The worst deal…” • 18:46 Can Iran reach the U.S.? • 23:53 Dismantle the program • 29:01 Splitscreen • 34:09 ...

Apr 22, 202546 min

Ep 190: Michael Doran on “Restraint” and the Middle East

Michael Doran, senior fellow and director of the Center for Peace and Security in the Middle East at Hudson Institute, joins the show to discuss “restraintism” as a factor in Trump’s choices in the Middle East. ▪️ Times • 01:46 Introduction • 02:20 What is it? • 05:01 Left, right, center • 06:56 Syria ’07 • 11:47 Iraq Study Group • 17:21 Populist expression • 27:34 Balance • 30:20 Obama v Trump • 34:56 Oscillation • 42:16 Back to JCPOA? • 45:49 Snapback • 47:44 Syria ’25 • 52:09 Iran and Turkey ...

Apr 15, 202555 min

Ep 189: Andrew Roberts on October 7th and Antisemitism

Lord Andrew Roberts, the Bonnie and Tom McCloskey Distinguished Visiting Fellow at the Hoover Institution and chair of the 7 October Parliamentary Commission Report , joins the show to discuss October 7th revisionism, the potency of antisemitism, and the strange effort to reinterpret World War II. ▪️ Times • 01:56 Introduction • 02:35 Why? • 03:48 No room for debate • 05:34 Not “accidental” • 16:13 Cooper’s conclusions • 20:13 Peace with Hitler • 22:53 Destroying the foundation • 25:06 Free spee...

Apr 11, 202532 min

Ep 188: Jonathan Horn on MacArthur and the Battle for the Philippines

Jonathan Horn, former White House speechwriter and author of The Fate of the Generals: MacArthur, Wainwright, and the Epic Battle for the Philippines , joins the show to discuss the defeats, victories, and legacies of Douglas MacArthur and Jonathan Wainwright, the highest-ranking American POW of WWII. ▪️ Times • 01:56 Introduction • 04:36 Arthur MacArthur • 09:33 The Philippines • 16:13 Wainwright • 18:20 War Plan Orange • 27:06 Crisis • 32:34 MacArthur leaves • 35:20 Bataan and surrender • 43:1...

Apr 08, 202553 min
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