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EP. 91 - MOTHERHOOD IS THAT YOU?

Meli & Olivia talk about their shriveled up eggs at the historic age of 32, and imagine what it look like to be mothers.

EP. 89 - THE TRAUMA PLOT

a few listener emails including: an update on brian's bedbug saga and a story about The One That Got Away. then, m&o chat about trauma as a vehicle for storytelling: when it's overdone, when it's helpful, when it's actually Too Vulnerable To Be Shared. the prison journalism project is mentioned on this episode! check them out here: https://prisonjournalismproject.org/prison-newspaper-project/?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw9vqyBhCKARIsAIIcLMFhCS3v5c9XV4NMqdjzc86iVS8dqy5RC-FeP5gfX4pCB5ItRKr3v...

EP. 88 *bonus episode teaser* GAB HOUR

To listen to the rest of the episode, subscribe to patreon.com/saymorepodcast. the gals gab about whatever is on their mind including: lucy letby, RFK Jr. (one of these people is honest and it isn't RFK), and listener emails about a sweet karmic loop and finding love amidst the prison system.

EP. 87 - DO WE EVEN LIKE WRITING?

M & O read an update from The Brian Bedbug Saga and an email from a listener about breeding kinks and chosen single parenthood. Then, they talk about the existential crises they experience each month around their careers, relevancy, creativity, productivity, and other shit that seems very Not Possible to Deal With when you're about to get your period.

EP. 85 - WRITING ABOUT GRIEF w/ AMY LIN

We were overjoyed to talk with Amy Lin, author of the new memoir, HERE AFTER, which details her relationship with her late husband and his sudden passing, the singular experience of young windowhood, and how grief is a language in which we we all eventually become fluent.

EP. 84 - *bonus episode* - CANDELARIA & PICK ME GIRLS

Listen to the full episode on Patreon. It's here! Well, mostly. Here is a partial recording of our conversation at Skylight Books in Los Angeles, where we celebrated Melissa's novel Candelaria and talked about the caucasity of spin classes, abuelas surviving the apocalypse, and how archaeologists are similar to writers, among other things. The weird part is that the conversation cuts off once we start talking about an earthquake. SO. We spend the second half of the episode unpacking how internal...

EP. 83 - FATHERHOOD w/ LUCAS MANN

We chat with author Lucas Mann about his most recent collection of essays, ATTACHMENTS, which unpacks the tender, scary, and hilarious experience of contemporary fatherhood. We talk about the impossible image of the Perfect Leftist Father, and the Lack of Personal Space when raising a child.

EP. 82 - *bonus episode* - WRITING ABOUT SEX

TEASER. we help a listener through a tough friendship/roommate breakup and talk about how we go about writing about SEX. are u trying to turn your readers on or just show them something about the characters? are sex scenes meant to move the plot forward or are they just a fun break? we also discover we might be prudes.

EP. 81 - TRAD WIVES w/ GABY DEL VALLE

the gals talk to trad-wife expert, gaby del valle, who has done extensive reporting on the women bringing old school homesteading onto the main feed.

EP. 80 - *bonus episode* - FROM POETRY TO FICTION

Melissa & Olivia keep getting asked: what is it like to go from poetry to fiction. They talk about it! Also, listeners share a story about their end-of-times pastor grandpa and also ask: is it possible to escape writing commercial and institutional poetry? Only on patreon :)

EP. 79 - WRITING ABOUT FOOD

We talk through a few listener emails about surviving your mid-twenties, surviving with a UTI on Survivor, and surviving a boss who keeps showing up to work with hickeys. After that, we talk about being hungry. Writing about food, eating while writing, forgetting to eat because we are writing, soylent (????), and why food is such an important detail when it comes to storytelling.

EP. 78 - *bonus episode* - A PEOPLE'S HISTORY OF SLAM POETRY

head over to patreon.com/saymorepodcast to listen to the full episode! we got to sit down in real life with one of our closest friends & favorite writers, hieu minh nguyen. together, we got nostalgic about our wild (we were so corny) days of competing in poetry slam and how the artform influenced our professional lives as writers today (we are just really good at self-promotion).

EP. 77 - LOVE IS BLIND & POV

back with another HOME RUN. this week, the gal pals chat about their favorite high-brow television show, love is blind, as well as the infinite ways Point of View can change a story. if this were a dissertation, they would make clearer how these two themes are related, but you get it. right?

EP. 75: ROMANCE - A PROBE

In honor of Melissa's favorite holiday, we are talking about love. We spoke with Puloma Ghosh, author of Mouth , about tropes in the romance genre, fan-fiction, and why women turn to romance in times of need. Order Puloma's short story collection wherever books are sold!

EP. 73 - AUTOFICTION & THE SELFHOOD PLOT

it's the new season of SAY MORE! thank you for waiting literally two years. this week, we are discussing the genre of autofiction — where it started, who's doing it, and our personal journey to adulthood aka choosing not to share every single thing about our private life in a nonfictional space. for next week's bonus episode, subscribe to our patreon at patreon.com/saymorepodcast, where you can also gain access our montly newsletter. we're so glad to be back xx

EP. 72 - ROCKSTARS, MISTRESSES, SURROGATES, THE MONARCHY

pop culture is truly losing it

EP. 71 - WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT ROE V. WADE w/ PAIGE GREEN

The gals welcome former guest Paige Green—nurse, doula, star—to talk about the dismal state of reproductive rights in America and how to generally deal.

EP. 70 - ORIGIN STORIES

M&O, together at last, talk about how they met the most important people in their lives.

EP. 69 - ORGASMS APLENTY

EP. 68 - AN ODE TO OUR TWENTIES

As Melissa and Olivia depart the tragic & exhilarating decade of their twenties, they reminisce on the years they spent being whores in punk houses, sexless in relationships, and a sudden burst of hyper-visibility.

EP. 67 - MORTALITY w/ ANDREA GIBSON

Olivia & Melissa go from complete chaos to total enlightenment in a conversation with renowned poet Andrea Gibson about mortality, the industry of death, the afterlife, and their new book YOU BETTER BE LIGHTING.

EP. 66 - Voyeurism & Sensitive Men

Olivia & Melissa briefly revisit the theory that Rooney mined their lives, wonder if voyeurism is always sexual, & if they've reached the end of the era of sensitive men.

EP. 65 - OUR LIVES, MINED

O & M talk about the possibility that their lives have been used as fodder for a bestselling novel. Are they self-involved? Or are they right?

EP. 64 - RETROACTIVE JEALOUSY & OTHER TERRIBLE FEELINGS

M&O talk about how trauma can make relationships a nightmare but also how you can get better.

EP. 63 - ARE WE SMART?

Melissa & Olivia question whether or not they are smart. Which maybe means they aren't?

Ep. 62: The Oversharing Industrial Complex

Melissa and Olivia talk about what it means when celebrities make money off their wounds and the intentions behind oversharing on the internet. They also go into the nuances of being an abolitionist and what it means to publish former abusers.

EP. 61 - BAD TV & TOUGH LOVE "PARENTING"

Melissa & Olivia try to justify their love of melodramatic television & also are in complete denial about their traumatic childhoods.

EP. 60 - ALTERNATE UNIVERSES

Melissa & Olivia talk about what could have been.

EP. 59 - NORMIE CULTURE

Olivia & Melissa ponder Instagram script font, barnhouse lifestyle bloggers, women who dream of pumpkin patches, and embroidered towels.

EP. 59 - NORMIE CULTURE

Olivia & Melissa ponder Instagram script font, barnhouse lifestyle bloggers, women who dream of pumpkin patches, and embroidered towels.