What's going on? Robert Sykes Quito Savage.com. Today I've got special guest, Peter Jeff's back on the line. He is one of my clients, we work together for about seven, seven and a half months, he got freaking shredded. He lost about 60 pounds and that Journey, not all that, 60 pounds was with me, actually lost a good percentage of that. With one of my other clients who is coaching now as well and just
an awesome awesome story. But we had all kinds of obstacles throughout his Rep. He had, you know, covid officers going on this time, he's in Canada. So all kinds of restrictions around the show that he had planned on competing in. He wound up catching covid. Had to do a photo shoot like all kinds of chaos but his ability to just maintain his work ethic, not make any excuses.
He is definitely a believer in the discipline equals Freedom at mentality and that that Shone through throughout this entire Journey. So truly enjoyed working with Peter I've got a lot of respect for him. I've got No doubt that he will continue to just kill it in Excel and always with his journey going forward. He's gonna be doing another prep with me next year. He's in the building phase right now but honestly I just wanted
to bring them on the podcast. Kind of dive a little deeper into his story that little deeper into this journey and what are some of the things that he's learned about himself and what are some things he's got going in the future. So thoroughly enjoyed the conversation. Have no doubt that you will take something from it. So that for their do sit back, relax and enjoy the podcast with my good friend. Peter And we are Live. Peter, how are you brother? I'm good. Robert, how are you?
I'm doing wonderful woman, has been what about oh a month maybe since we've talked last I guess. Yeah, I know we've shared some messages on slack for some reason, I just continue to reach out to you and but yeah and of course I reached out with the when once again congratulations on Baby Savage so exciting. No, it's always a pleasure chatting with you, man. Like you're one of my clients where even after we stopped working together, like, I look forward to seeing a message pop
up from you. You're just a good all around guy and I enjoy the conversation for sure. Thanks Robert. Yeah, I love getting a bit of extra advice along the way. So I certainly appreciate that you're always willing to respond to my cats with not only with encouragement, but some solid advice and experience. So that's gone a long way for me, so thank you. Absolutely absolutely. Well, I just wanted to get you on the podcast to kind of talk about what got you in Aikido,
kind of your story. This whole prep Journey itself because you've made quite the transformation with regard to the competition prep that you've gone through. And you've had, you had kind of all kinds of obstacles, arise throughout that prep journey. And as I try to really, you know, illustrate with people, the Stars never seem to align when you're going through a prep, and that certainly was the
case for you. But before we dive into the actual prep that you just concluded, You know, not too long ago. I love to kind of get some more back story on you personally, man. Like what got you into Kita? What made you interested in this life, down the first place and what, what made that all resonate with you? Yeah, perfect. So maybe I'll go back a little bit.
I'd say a few years ago I tried what I would have called keto then probably more of a dirty version of Kido but you know it was still low carb and my body felt really good on it. The added bonus was, I did lose some weight at that time I was carrying around. A considerable amount of weight and then one day I was out walking the dog. I generally listen to podcasts when I'm riding my bike around,
walking the dog. And I ask Siri, what is the best keto workout podcast and Aikido Savage podcast came back. I started listening to a podcast that you did with Seth Barner actually, which was a fantastic. Listen, and just happened to go in and start to follow both of you on Instagram. Three today out to me and said, hey, thanks for following me. And then we kind of went back and forth for a number of months to help me get started with macros.
I kind of started to train and, you know, be coached under him with the initial macro stage, my body started to feel really good, you know, less inflammation. I would suggest, I really enjoyed the clear mind feeling I was getting, but most of all, I felt like it was sustainable and that was it. Important to me that the reduced food. Prep time. I was able to make foods I enjoyed and yet, I was seeing a lot of benefits on the other side.
And then after six or seven months with Seth, he connected me with you. And that's really where the transformation. Really started. Nice, nice. Yeah, I got a lot of respect for Chef, he's an awesome guy. I thoroughly enjoyed having him on the pocket. He's another one of my clients were I just it's become more like a friendship than a client coaching relationship when it's all said and done like you get to meet people, you get to know them on a deeper level.
I think he won the, he did he won the golden brick winner as well. So we flew him out here and he stay with us for a few days and that was just really good. He's a good all around guy as well. Yeah, he's a fantastic guy. I would say he has totally become a friend, you know, all during covid and we do left live several hundreds of miles apart. You know, he was one of my biggest supporters as I was working with you and would continually reach out to me to see how things were going.
And, yeah, I absolutely love them. He's a fantastic guy. So, yeah, I guess let's give the listeners little context here. You're in, Canada, and Canada had a, I would probably Venture say a much stricter, you know, protocol on what they would allow, what they would not allow, especially as it related to, like body building competitions, and things of that nature. So your I don't want to jump too far ahead here, but that was
kind of some of the obstacles. I was alluding to you had planned on doing a show and originally, and that gets cancelled. And then I had to reschedule Will times, but it wasn't easy on you being in Canada, throughout the whole covid thing as related to body building Endeavors. Absolutely. Yeah. And we so we did have some serious restrictions. We had Jim closures so you know, we'd be moving along, just fine and all of a sudden, our gyms would shut down. I think the worst was for three
or four months. So it was, you know, trying to make do with a home gym, some TRX cables and, you know, working outside in the winter the odd time. I'm set up a quick gym in the basement, took over my wife's yoga room, so not sure how well that went over. But in the end, everything seemed to work out. Well, other than the show was cancelled and so we move to a
photoshoot instead. Yeah. And with a lot of, I mean, my show got canceled like a week before I stepped on stage so I totally can understand the frustration you were going through but I mean you handled it like just perfectly man like your Attitude and Demeter never shifted. I mean, you were able to go through, you know, not having a gym for months on end, that didn't that didn't hinder your better to train hard, you made, you made do with what you had. You were biking.
A lot of places for cardio. You were just getting it done despite all the opportunities for making an excuse and then I think what right before the the photo shoot you wind up getting covid as well. So it's like a perfect storm of negative things happening and most people pretty much anybody
He else? I know, would be like, okay, this is a totally justifiable reason to Nix the photoshoot Nix the competition next to prep, and just go back to some degree of normalcy, and you didn't let any of that phase. You just kept kept your head down and kept on grinding. Yeah, thanks Robert. I felt like I had come a long way by that point and I was really committed to, you know,
finishing what I had started. I received a ton of support from you a ton of support from Seth from my wife and family. I mean it was it was very Going to continue on. I do recall, I was so excited for my first refeed and you will likely recall this as well during my face for refeed, and I was so sick with the covid that I didn't even do it. I just didn't even eat that day, unfortunately. But it only knocked me down for two or three days where I
couldn't work out. But I came back strong and we managed to push through to a to the photo. Shoot, absolutely, I'm going to pull up your client spreadsheet here as we're talking. Talking because I don't want to get these numbers wrong, but I want to kind of get your stats, some of your stats in place. You do you remember what your starting weight was? Yeah, I think 193 is what I came to you at Robert. I think when I started with Seth, I was over 220, maybe to 23 years or something.
So you were to 23 and you weren't you weren't key to, at all, prior to working with Seth, right? Correct set. Kind of Seth got me started on keto. I will say that I did work out but I wasn't seeing the potential until I brought in this responsible type of eating. Yeah, we started on 8, 16, 20, 21, your weight. There was like 193, like you were saying. And before that when you start with Seth, you said, you were 230 there that, right?
To, I think 223, I actually didn't look back that far to be. Honest. But 223 and then we get you down to your lightest was looks like 162 that about right? Yeah it was 162. I think on photo shoot day. I was 165 after a roofie so what does that that's, 60 pounds down. Yeah it is.
That's insane man. Do you have any idea what your total calories may have been like when you first started working with Seth like before it before he gave you your Macros just what you were eating on a normal day. Basis, I would say Robert that I was pretty responsible during the day and then I would basically double my calories at
night. That's the challenging time for me. I really honestly couldn't put a calorie total calorie to it. I would say that my carbs would have been extremely high and so that in my mind that explains why I you know, this sore knees the foggy mind that type of thing. Just definite increase. The inflammation. Yeah, and then, when we started, I started you ants 2600 calories to 6352 and 35 grams of fat, 115 protein, 15 carbs. And then we kind of went to the
home. Drop your fat, increase protein figure out your protein threshold, kind of like, I'll illustrate in the book, but that whole time, man, like your weight was just steadily dropping. Like, there's not a whole lot of clients that I've worked with where it's like a like more or less a linear progression but you Pretty much had pretty dang. Close to a linear progression and weight loss throughout the whole journey. Yeah. I feel like I did.
So I used the isn't called the Renfro scale I think. And when you look at that vendor reduction in rate in weight, it is it is a nice line down and I'll be honest, that was a very motivating and encouraging as I continued week to week. But you know, those early days I didn't find it overly challenging. There were days where I was almost struggling to get all the food in.
Yeah. And it was great to see the weight loss and I said to this to you a number of times Robert even early on the weight loss was great and that was kind of one of my goal but the reduced soreness of my body, it just changed my workouts, the reduced prep time, you know, by the end of my cut, I was just eating one meal a day. I really enjoyed it and in the back of my mind, I was always Saying to myself. This is totally sustainable.
And, you know, I've completed the Cod, I've completed my kind of started towards my in the middle of my reverse dieting, I should say and it's going great. Yeah. And your testosterone levels, your testosterone levels were starting at a pretty high. I don't remember what you said, one on one of our initial consult calls, but but your natural testosterone levels were pretty impressive. Yeah, I think I was 1250 and then I didn't measure right.
My intent was to measure that week before picture day and then I got covid and I didn't, you know, that's one thing in hindsight. I look back, I know you keep track of so many statistics and I think you hinted to me along the way. Hey maybe measure this and that and now I wish I had taken your advice. Because that stuff that I can look back on. And when I do my next cut it would be great to compare it. So that is one thing I kind of regret any.
Well, there's always next cut so it's a you live and you learn and just to give the listeners some some context here. What is what is your age again? Peter So, when I started, I was 58 for my photo shoot. I had just turned 59 59, so I've had several clients as of late that were, you know, early 50s, mid 50s, late 50s, and it's awesome to work with y'all because, for whatever reason of all the demographics, I mean,
y'all are like very rarely. Do y'all make excuses just freaking hunker down and get to work? I had Sean I don't think I have a podcast with him yet but you know, he and I recently finished up our coaching and he got Gifts. They shredded I think like three percent or something like that via the, you know, by electrical impedance. Can you are probably right around that as well, three or four percent and you just get
freaking lean, man. Like you got the vascularity, you got the muscle definition, you get the separation, and you don't make excuses. And for me as a coach working with people, that just simply put the head down and get to work. And don't make excuses is the easiest type of client because you just do. And then you don't You don't make up reasons why not to do and then the final result, obviously speaks for itself.
Y'all got freakishly shredded but the coolest thing for me is to be able to hear y'alls excitement for, you know, what you learn about yourself throughout that Journey when you get that lean, when you go through, as detailed as regimented a protocol like this for the, you know, several months. What you learn about yourself and what you, what you now have at your fingertips, coming out of it. It's just incredibly empowering.
Yeah, that is so true. I definitely feel like I have a much better understanding of my body. I do know. There were I think twice I reached out to you Robert. One time I started my our slack chat with, hey maybe body buildings, Not for Me Maybe natural bodybuilding is not for me. And then you know, kind of obviously it was at a low point and we snapped out of it quickly and I think then once was later
on Had a bit of a call. I don't think I was as close to the edge on that second call but we just talk through a few things and it was it was just a moment of weakness here and there but other than that I think we progress. Well it was definitely. I will say, you know, that tapering macros that period was definitely challenging. I read the chapter in your book about mindset during that phase 3 up, tapering macros almost daily.
I had your book sitting on my bedside table and with my wife would jokingly call it. Oh I see you're reading the Bible again it was it was perfect timing that that book came out a couple of months before I actually completed my photo shoot well there's so much to buy the boom. It is I mean this is why it is truly a mental sport. Like it's so much Beyond just the physical act of going to the gym, the physical act of prepping your meals.
I mean where you have to go mentally, too, Not only do the day-to-day but embrace the day-to-day and like, be excited about it, so it doesn't burn you out, is like a special type of place. I mean, you got to really want to go there. So, I really wanted to make a pretty good, pretty good. Percentage of the book, you know, dedicated to the mindset that it should accompany you on this journey so that you are kind of set up for success.
But it's so cool for me, man. Like I, I wish you could be on the receiving end of this and kind of experience what it is like for me. As the coach because like when you're at the low point, when we had that talk, when you call me like a man, this is what I'm feeling and I'm not feeling it. This is just not good. Like I knew exactly the emotions that you were having and we just talk to it.
You got fired up and then like the next day, you had like a new low and then you submitted some pictures and they looked even better than the prior time. It's like, I don't know why we, as humans have these, these LOLs are these periods where we just beat ourselves up internally, even if anybody from the outside, Looking at could see, the progress is being made, but we just like, we allow ourselves to go into a dark place and I feel like when you have somebody, you can lean on.
It's been there before and can relate with it and you can just feel confident. Hey, look. This is kind of, you know, par for the course is come to the territory and that's pretty much all you need to kind of get
reinvigorated again. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean I appreciated our conversation but even the fact that you hit on it so well in the book was it was motivating and inspiring and you know there's comfort knowing you're not alone that others have been through this and specifically you and so when we reached out and had that chat I started kind of explaining how I felt and you obviously have been there numerous times and walked me through it and This Avery came out on the other side, I think
even better. I will say that during the tapering the macros, you know, that cutting phase. I had heard and read so many negative things around, you know, tired loss of strength, decreased libido, those types of things. And I really didn't experience a lot of that and I think that's more compliment towards the keto diet that we brought to this cut.
But then anything, you know, a lot of those readings were around the traditional, bro, diet when they were doing that cut and I kept saying to you, it's difficult, like this is not easy, it's mind over matter, and so on, but I'm not seeing my weights. Decreasing in the gym. I still have lots of energy so it was it was super positive. Yeah, it's funny you bring that up.
I was actually, I was tagged in a social post the other day on Instagram and even really respond because it wasn't really worth Time to engage but they were they were saying something about how it was an ant Aikido post and basically the individual was going out on a tangent about how she's, you know, dedicating herself to removing people and the interest around the kids at night because it's so harmful and it's not
sustainable. And if anybody did it, they wouldn't be able to perform at an elite level and no body, builders do it and if the body butter was to do it, they die in a week and it's just like like people that spout that negativity have clearly. Lee never done it and certainly never done it the right way because you know, you saying what you just said about how your performance continue to, you know, Excel or at least, maintain throughout the caloric
deficit. Like that is more often than not the case with the clients that I've worked with and there's a lot of ways to skin a cat. There's a lot of ways to get shredded and place, what a bodybuilding show. But for me, and my whole passion around, you know, presenting this ketogenic way towards bodybuilding competition prep, is that it shouldn't have to be This thing where you die a little bit every time you go through it, like, I like that.
I like, you know, going to that place and and, you know, put myself In Harm's Way so to speak and just suffer and see what I'm capable of. But at the end, the day, you shouldn't have to to come out of it, worse off than when you went into it. You should come out of it better off than where you were when you come into it and that should be the case from a mental standpoint, that should be the
case from a physical standpoint. Like if you kill your hormones, if you kill your metabolism, few, Kill your libido. If you kill everything, set everybody around you think's, you this miserable. Miserable wretched, doesn't want you to another prep again, then you're probably doing something wrong. So, anyway to mitigate against that, and this case using a ketogenic approach. I think that's where people should go with it, you know.
Yeah, I hundred percent agree and maybe as funny as it sounds, when you get to be my age, you start to think about things like longevity and and you know, what is sustainable? And how can you just continue to To increase that longevity and I'm finding this as really worked. Well for me, I did have an individual. They asked me at the gym, whatever is doing, how were you losing this weight and building this muscle and so on. And I said I'm on a ketogenic protocol and of course, they
started to bad-mouth that. So I just actually pulled out a picture of the cover of your book and said that's my coach. He's been doing it for seven plus years. So I'll be thrilled to ever look like Kim. Well, you you look great man. I mean, I don't think I've ever seen. I don't think I ever saw a picture of you the before picture, maybe you sent him.
I don't remember when you were the 60 pounds heavier, but I mean for you to get as lean as he got, as quickly as you got and as healthfully as you did it. I mean, whatever you're doing. So obviously working for your body is responding favorably to it. I mean, the pictures at the end that photo shoot the pictures that Sent me that I posted on Instagram.
I want not like like that is impressive no matter what age you're at. So for you to be doing it at, I guess you said you were 59 at the time the photo shoot or 58, 59, 59 minutes. And then one of your goals is to compete in the master's class at 60, right? That's correct. Yeah. So I'm taking your advice and as tempting as it is and you mentioned this numerous times in the book as well, which I
thought was almost ready. Written for me at the tempting as it is to just want to start right back into it. My goal is the fall of 2023. So build muscle for 18 months and then I truly want you. No, get out of my comfort zone. Get on stage for a men's physique, or if we can build my legs better, a classic physique there. There are some shows in Ontario, and in Canada, that happened over 60 men's age group. So, I'd like to do that. Nice nice. Well, we can certainly make that
happen. I've got to ask man. I mean, your, your peer group, The the people that you run around with that are of similar age. Like, I can't imagine any of them are even comprehending what it is that you're doing, and why you would want to do them. And I would imagine it look anything else like, like you either know, that's probably true. And I think part of them wonders why I'm doing it. And yet, a number of them ask me questions. As to, you know, what does my do trician look like?
What does my what do my workouts look? Like so I'm sure part of them wishing that they could do it. I will say that I've had it. And I've mentioned this to you, one of my kind of mentors in weight training and body but not really bodybuilding. But weight training is he is 70 years old right now and looks fantastic is very mobile. He is the one that kind of got me into functional fitness as well. So kettlebells clubs that type
of thing boss. Wait, so I still do that once or twice a week and also factor in the Eighth Day Workout cycle that you have on your website Roberts.
Oh, well I'm I'm inspired by people that are absolutely killing it. You know, as they age like for me, I'm 30. I've been bodybuilding since I was 17. I guess first competition was 2012 and like I love what I do. I love competing I love every aspect of the sport but I'm I'm super excited about being able to continue to do that when I'm you know, when I'm your age, when I'm 70, when I'm 80 and I feel like especially now, I mean there's been so many bodybuilders in the ifb I have
baby League that have died over the past two years. And you know, there's all kinds of debate as to what the the Catalyst for that death rate is maybe it's the performance enhancing drugs. Maybe it's something else.
Sure that performance and drugs probably isn't helping their situation, but I feel like when you when you make this a habit when you make this, Laughs down and you just chip away at it every single day without fail and you, you go through these healthy building and cutting Cycles in a way that is sustainable. You truly just keep getting
better and better and better. I mean there that must be liberating to think that hey look, my next year can be better than my last year for so many people. They assume there's this, you know, point in time where they quote, unquote are over the hill, they Crest that hill and then it's just all downhill from there and I think the sport of bodybuilding And just the nature of the sport itself, you know, resistance, training, eating and quality diet, especially the
ketogenic diet. Like, there's no reason you wouldn't be able to get better with each of the past and not worse, as long as you're, you know, smart about your recovery in your mobility and you're letting your body heal from every brutal training session. But if you're doing it, right? There's no reason why you can't keep getting better.
Yeah, I totally agree. And I know in some of our earlier conversations, I indicated to you that I don't want this to be. Hey, here's a The month cut, you know, get lean, get freaky as you would describe it and then just blow up again. And and so I'm sure you'll recall you know, even before I a month before my photo shoot I was reaching out to you asking you about. Okay. How do we do this?
We reverse dieting I really want to kind of be disciplined with it and be under control because when it comes time for my next cut I know will still take six or seven months but But I don't want to be at the starting point. I was at, I wanted to be a really slow, gradual, cut and exceed the results and our discussions. We are really focusing on doing a lot more leg training this time around. And seeing if we can build those, what is your current weight?
I'm 170. I think. 176 this morning. Yeah, so you're just over, you know, ten pounds. Like you're within that whole 10 12, 15 pounds from stage, wait and what your calories at at the moment. You know, I'm at 2405. So it's been a gradual increase. And I'm going to continue to increase them probably when we're working through. I'm going to try to see where I feel at 2600 calories. Yeah so you are, I mean you're
set up for Success man. I mean at the same intake before you were at your you are at a heavier weight than you are now. And your body is starting to kind of stabilize, your kind of reaching that metabolic Baseline. That point at which your maintenance calories are within reach and you haven't blown up. I mean, right now, we leaned down your photo shoot was. Let's see here on three 19, 20 22. It is now 66 2022.
So the fact that you have not blown up and you're not 40 pounds over stage, wait, I mean that's all I need to know that note to know that you're set up for Success. You've got a good healthy Baseline that you're not going to have to lose 60 pounds. And next time, you lean down. So imagine having the same amount of calories.
He's to work with or roughly the same amount of calories, but you're only having to cut, you know, 15 20 pounds as opposed to 60 pounds, your ability to retain the lean muscle tissue. You built is going to be enhanced, your ability to enjoy that process and not have to buy down near as aggressively as going to be improved. You want to do near as much cardio. So everything just gets better and plus your body's been that lean before. So it's going to be easier to achieve that.
And then also, you know, go beyond that because it's not going to be a new thing to your body. Yeah, definitely. I'm excited for fall 2023 and that kind of schedule. And so I keep emphasizing fall of 2023 because I don't want to kind of adjust from that plan. It's so tempting as you indicate numerous times in the book. You know that, okay, I'm ready to start cutting again but that I want to be in this for the Long Haul.
So when we're talking again in 10 years, and I'm about to do a show when I'm 70 that everything will be positive, then as well. Yeah, that is 100% the right mentality, man. I feel like, I feel like very few people have that mindset, but that's the mindset that everybody should have dumped.
Because if you're just, and I spoke about this on podcast at nauseam, like if you're constantly just in a deficit and not if you spent more time in a deficit than you aren't a surplus, you can't possibly get better at a sustainable rate. Like, it just doesn't work that way. You have to spend more time building than you spend cutting on average roast, you just simply not going to look improved. You have to After your, now, you can probably break those rules a little bit.
If you're a newbie, and your kind of racking in those beginner gains, but if you're a seasoned lifter and you've kind of, you know, you've been training for five-plus years 10 plus years, then then your ability to add a whole bunch of lean tissue, especially at a lower intake, is just going to be substantially hindered. So you have to give yourself that time in a surplus. Absolutely. I and I think my age probably factors into that as well.
Robert, whereas, you know, the longer kind of reverse dieting and Every I give myself, then the better I will look and compete. You know, 18 months down the road. Yeah, totally agree. Well, what is, what are some other things that you're excited about? I mean, it coming out of the prep coming out of that. Just insane amount of rigidity around tracking, macros going to the gym training and just being like the quintessential definition of disciplined.
What was it that you are most excited about the kind of return back in your life and and just continue going forward and a more enjoyable relaxed right now. So I would say that I'm a bit more relaxed in the gym with my workouts. I still follow, you know, the Eighth Day Workout cycle that I followed while I was doing that my cutting phase but I do feel like I owe move away some days.
I'll just walk in and say you know today I feel like doing just more of a functional fitness, so Be a hip, using some kettlebells things like that. It just a bit more freedom. I feel another is a bit more freedom with my diet. I if we do go out for dinner I give myself. You know I am still tracking macros daily.
Robert will know this that I used my motto through all of this was discipline equals Freedom, which is stolen from Jocko and it's a good one, but I Really, I really feel like when I'm disciplined with my food, I'm disciplined with every other aspect in my life and I think the last six or seven months has really shown that. I'm excited. That one thing. When you and I were talking early on when we were kind of just getting started, you asked me, what was one of my biggest concerns?
Number one was, you know, being successful at this and then not blowing up after number two was staying healthy. They threw up there. So at my age, you know, with the odd shoulder and knee issue, I just wanted to make sure I was staying healthy and so I think we really focused on, you know, not over doing it. Making sure I got lots of sleep and really just talking through, but there was a never, an issue
with a shoulder. Bugging me, what were some alternative exercises and that type of thing. So, I was thrilled to say that other than covid, I went through this heavier training with no issues at all. Oh yeah. I mean there was I mean I don't I don't recall any issues that would inhibit us from the training or anything. I mean honestly you were any like slight tick up like like the, you know, the shoulder or
something like that. I mean, we were able to work around that and then when I seem to have a an issue in the grand scheme of things and like I said, in the beginning, you were you were on top of the macros, you know, at all times. And I think, you know, you kind of got we were alluding to this before we start recording but you know really just making it
super simple. Like taking the the macros for the week and then making it a pretty much the same meals for the week which honestly like a lot of people would find that to
be incredibly boring. I suppose it is there's not much variety if you're eating the same thing every single day for a week but I feel like from a from a, from a Effectiveness standpoint, if you have a goal in mind, trying to reach a certain composition lose body fat, build muscle, whatever if you can control for the variables to that degree of See and then it, you owe it to yourself to see how much more progress is made when you do that, because it's honestly
astonishing. If you're tracking all your Macros and consistent with it but you're eating something new every single day and there's just no way to really know within a degree of certainty. You know what foods, your body responding well to versus what ones are not. And you compare that with the degree of accuracy of eating, the same thing every single day for a week at a time as long as that same thing, as you know, good.
Good balanced nutrition, good quality, you know, micronutrients and macronutrients, you know, minerals and everything your ability to, just get things honed in and really just know with 100% certainty. What is working and what is not working. It's just exponentially more Amplified. I totally agree and I'm not sure that hit home originally Robert. So you mentioned Effectiveness but I would also add to that the efficiency. So it was just so much easier
with food prep. I know you had mentioned it to me in our conversations like that, you eat generally the same thing for a week and then, if you're, you know, altering macros, you may add an egg or take off some ground beef, or however it works. And I don't think that really hit home. Me until I read the book.
So probably about halfway through the seven months that we were together doing this cut is when I realized, I'm just going to eat the same thing for an entire week and meal prep was so easy. I definitely didn't get sick of anything ever. And if I started to not like something then I just swap it out, you know, for the next few weeks. But I mean, generally, I like you, I'm a lot of bags. I'm a lot of Of ground beef and of course, my go to nighttime. Snack is some pork.
Rind is dipped in sour cream and I kept that going strong until about the last month of the cut and then I remove those as well. Well, the thing is like when you're in a deficit and when you're, you know, decreasing body fats and you just hitting everything on a day-to-day basis, like you arm, you're going to be hungry, all right? That's just kind of comes the territory but if you're eating The same thing and that sounds very monotonous and there's just a total lack of writing that and
people listen to this. No my gosh I couldn't possibly imagine doing that when you're in a deficit and you are that hungry, you don't think of it as feeling deprived you you? You're excited for that meal. Even if it's the exact same thing, you've eaten for the past three weeks because that is your lifeblood that is your that's your energy source. Like it's not like something that you that you are no longer looking for to specially with, you know, ketogenic diet with
more fat. Macros, like if you were, there's been times in my life where I was living off of, you know, tuna and broccoli and, you know, Bland bowl of chicken breast. And that one is a little bit harder to get excited about, but if you're eating, you know, flavorful things that have a good amount of fat in there.
It's hard to feel like you're deprived when you're eating that, you know, 100% agree, I would often have the cha Falls as well excluded in there and basically make like a Hamburg and using the Truffle as the bun. I very, very rarely did. I feel deprived, you know, before our call today I kind of went through. My, I have a book, it's just my Kido Savage book, I call it and I have kind of quotes and helpful things and you know, highlighted in certain colors things.
I need to remember, for the next time, we go through the cutting phase and one of on, one of my SOS calls to you, you indicated that your wording was Was you just need to be comfortable with being uncomfortable? I don't think you said you, but we need to be comfortable with not being comfortable. And that one really stuck with me. When we were going through that through the tapering component that cutting phase. It was so true.
Yeah. 100% man hundred percent. Well, let me ask you this since you are so diligent about tracking your Macros, but obviously everything else to tracking, you know, the conversations tracking quotes, tracking these things that I didn't even realize you're tracking. What are, what are some things that I can do to be better as a coach? I mean, what are some things I
can do to be better for you? Next time we were together for your next competition prep, what are some things that I can add to any future editions of the book? Like how can I be better? Because you are somebody whom, I respect immensely. I value your feedback and I just am curious for anything that I can improve upon based off of you working so closely with me for so long. Thanks, Robert. If you would have asked me that question. Five months ago, I would have
said write a book. So I really don't have anything to add now. The book is, I mean, I still pull it out and read some of your, your different work out some of the recipes. And I can, when I start my next cut, I mean I will start at the beginning again and read it. I have read the chapter on the tapering Mac Pro's probably 20 times without a job with a Joking. It's quite true. It's very well written.
I really can't think of anything off the top of my head that I would, like, done differently from a coach client perspective. Awesome. Well, if anything comes to mind by all means, let me know. Like, this is something like, coaching is something that I'm passionate about because it just keeps me sharp. I mean, I feel like I can I could read nutritional studies all day long. I can listen to podcasts all day long.
I could have podcasts all day long but I Ink working one-on-one with people like yourself. You know real life people everyday people that have a goal and want to reach that goal and the best way possible.
Most optimal manner possible. I feel like continuing to do that as, you know, part of my part of my business Endeavors, part of my day-to-day, that makes me a better businessman and makes me a better Coach. It makes me a better person, and it keeps me humble, and it keeps me keeps me learning like it.
Cats, like, I learned something new every single time I work with, you know, a client, because everyone brings their own unique, you know, background into the picture, they all have their own unique goals, they will have their own unique history, and I feel like it just makes me I get so much from like I feel it's almost selfish at times that I'm coaching because I get from, it's probably more than some of my clients do at some point because I feel like I'm just so much more enriched
as a result of that relationship. So same is true with you. You, you know, by far because you have been just an outstanding client to work with you are now someone I consider to be a friend and like I said, at the very beginning, I genuinely look forward to every communication interaction. We have. Well, that's nice to hear. Thank you so much Robert. I mean, the are seven months together has been absolutely life-changing. I can't ask for more.
I certainly I know there's probably times where you don't want to post Instagram or YouTube, I find them Those posts to be extremely motivating, you know, seeing Sean a few months after me on your Instagram feed and, you know, other success stories and other hints and studies, and that type of thing. It really just keeps me engaged and moving along. So, if there's days where it's, you know, there's other things to do. I know.
You're only slightly busy being a dad, coach and entrepreneur, a husband. A bodybuilder, you know, the podcast, the YouTube just know that it really does impact. Probably not only your clients, a lot of other people out there
as well. Well I haven't really talked about this yet man, but I think there is there's a lot to be said for doing things with people that you respect a lot of a lot to be said for doing things with an emphasis on camaraderie and I think there is value to be had and going through hard things with other people that are Like minded. So you said that you're doing a prep with the intention of peeking fall of next year. Correct follow 2023.
Alright, so that is the exact same time that I'm going to be doing my prep. So we're going to be prepping at the same time and I'm going to figure out some kind of cool way to intertwine that and make it like this experiential experience. A little journey for people that want to be going through it at the same time. I'm and haven't really worked out the Kinks on that yet, but we'll make that worth everybody's while and I'm super
excited. Be prepping alongside you as well as coaching you because I feel like there's just a lot of value to be had in that. Oh, that would be amazing. I would be honored and thrilled to do that. Parallel to you, for sure, and I have joked with you often that we're hoping that you can send through FedEx your legs. So that I can use those for my show, when it's time to hit the Age a man. Well you're bringing up the legs. There's no doubt about that.
Every time you were sending a check in photos. I mean obviously we're getting leaner but you've built a lot of quality size to like you've got a lot more lean tissue. I mean you're getting better on all fronts and definition and in muscle maturity and just, you know, size shape and symmetry man. So, keep doing what you're doing. Thanks so much, Robert Peter.
Where can people go to find out more about, you don't know if your, are you trying to become more active on social and kind of build and promote your own brand? So to speak, No really. I shared this with you late after my prep that you reached out to me and said I'd like to post you on my Instagram feed and I said that was actually one of my goals that I haven't shared with Robert. And sometimes when things got tough, I would think, oh, man, you want to be on Roberts, Instagram feed.
So I was actually honored and thrilled when you did seek my approval to be on there. So really, that's the last Step on my Instagram was just the repost of Roberts so I am that's not really why I got into this. It was more for my personal Venter and gain. I am on their The Hope Reds fan 22 on Instagram. As I'm a Nashville Predators hockey fan and so you could find me there.
Well you should you should definitely and you know, I don't want to force your hand by any means, but I feel like if you were to start posting Ting your journey, more publicly. I feel like you will benefit from that, you know, in ways that I can't even begin to describe as you go through the remainder of your building phase and your cut.
I mean, for me by putting myself out there publicly, when I'm doing hard things and know that people are, you know, expecting something of me. It holds me that much more accountable. So I feel like if you were to mirror that and your own way with your own style, that will only benefit you that much more. when you go through this next prep, Yeah, that I totally agree Robert and that makes total sense, so I will definitely give that some consideration.
Awesome, awesome. Peter always a pleasure man, definitely keep in touch brother. You've got to you getting all my contact info so I will Point your, your social profile out there so people can follow along if they're interested in your journey because hopefully you'll start posting more. But yeah, man. Like I said, the very beginning, I just really appreciate you. I value our relationship, you've been an absolute pleasure to
work with and I'm excited. To see the journey continue to unfold because I have no doubt that it will continue to be incredibly inspiring. That's amazing. Thank you so much, Robert for everything. It was just a life-changing seven months and I'm just absolutely thrilled. I can call you a friend and I'm looking forward to kicking some ass in Fall of 2023. Right? Beside you. Hey, man. I've got no doubt that you'll be
kicking some ass. I mean, you are literally redefining what is possible at your age. And I think that It is incredibly commendable. It gets me hyped up and excited so keep keep proving the naysayers wrong. Keep doing what you doing, brother? Thanks so much. Robert take care of Peter, take care.