Nurturing a Growth Mindset and the 4x4x48 with Marcus Aurelius Anderson

What's going on? Y'all Roberts like sceeto Savage.com? And today I've got special, guest Marcus Aurelius Anderson back on the podcast. We just completed David Goggins four by four by forty eight challenge. So, this podcast dives into all that we learned, throughout that process. We dive into whole bunch for the growth mindset, philosophies and principles, always a pleasure chatting with him. I always level up after talking with him.

I've got no doubt that you will take something positive from this conversation. So that for their do is sit back, relax. Enjoy the podcast. My good friend Marcus Aurelius. Sanderson. And we are live Marcus, Aurelius Anderson in the building coming at you depleted, tired and worn out. How are you man? I'm great, man. I know you're depleted tired and worn out as well. But here we are, and we're stronger for it, right?

That's right. So for anybody that does not know, we just got done doing the David Goggins four by four by forty eight challenge, the find that Force real quick. So Dawkins created that three years ago and the idea was to run for Miles every four hours for 48 hours straight to really push you and see what your body was capable of very much has the sleep deprivation built into it very much, like the military,

lots of times. We can't dictate the environment or the timeframe, but we still have to act. And so this is a really good way for us to it's a good gut check. For sure. And then it also shows you what else you're capable of on those days? Like, we were talking about when, oh, I don't feel like working out. I don't feel like doing this second set of cardio when you've done, six sets of runs, 24 Mile runs in a day and we actually did because of you.

We did an extra two miles. So we got fifty hours. I mean, 50 miles in, I didn't know this. This is he. He made this three years ago. I thought last year was the first one. No. The year before the last year, was the first year that I did it, but it happened here before. But I was, I was sort of aware of of it, but I didn't know what it really entailed. Gotcha.

Gotcha. I want to dive deep into like Our protocol what we did, what we learned from that eccentric cetera, but I want to give you a nice chance to kind of introduce yourself. We've been on the podcast twice before once or twice before. So people should definitely go to Nana, listen to those episodes. But for those that have not, what's the kind of like a quick biopsy of you not biopsy with quick bio of you, I guess?

I iove. Yeah, the the snapshot is I'm a tedx speaker best-selling author of the book. The Gift of adversity. I have a podcast which you've been on a couple of times called octane number, but it's Latin for Deeds, not words. It's, which is why we're doing what we're doing. And then I'm also an executive and mindset coach, two leaders CEOs and other entrepreneurs. And that's, that's what I do and you and I met each other. I think 2017-2018 something like that.

I think it was late. 17, maybe early eighteen weird story as to how we met my barber. Who is kind of out there. This is like an old Barber and she recommended I get in touch with you because she was following your stuff on Facebook or something like them. So, we had like, A three-way call. She was trying to like sell us both on something. I think and we didn't really like what see what she was selling but we liked each other.

So we just continue the conversation after she got off the line and then next thing, you know, you're on my podcast on your podcast here. We are running 50 miles together. So pretty cool how that works out. Small world kind of for the better, but we've never done you. And I both have talked at length about mindset, you know, acting instead of just talking but we've never actually done

anything. That was physically or mentally strenuous in tandem until this event, which was pretty cool, because we knew we knew we were both capable of doing this last year. When you didn't, I did not because I was traveling at a conference or something. I remember what the deal was but but this year we jumped on it and we did it in person. So we had you came out here on Friday. The the runs started at 10 p.m. Which was the same time. Goggins was starting the runs.

But we wanted to make, we couldn't just do 48 miles, 48 miles. I mean that's impressive and all but 50 miles is much more noteworthy. It's a nice round number. Yeah, so we ran two miles before it all started. And then at 10 p.m. On Friday, we started the official four by four by forty eight. And we started the first three state was three stents that we did on the pavement. Yeah. Yeah, we did. Yeah. So the first it was dark obviously starting at 10 p.m. So we want to do.

There's a I'll field Prairie Grove Battlefield State Park. They've got like a one-mile loop. So we did that four times for the first three stents and those paved roads. Like my feet. I don't know about your favorite. My feet were freaking feeling an after after just those. Yeah, so we did that and then we would come back after each stint. We take a shower.

We get a little food in if we were feeling it, you know, and little food, being like a hard-boiled, egg piece of Quito brick and a sausage or something. We pre-prepped a bunch of kielbasa sausages. We try and get some sleep for an hour and a half or so. And then we'd wake up at to do it again. And then it's six, do it again. And then at 10 a.m. To p.m. 6 p.m. 10 p.m. And just repeat repeat repeat at

what point. Did you start to like go internal, you know, usually for me the internal part was around 2 a.m. That's second day Saturday and Sunday, morning 2 a.m. Because our bodies used to sleeping at night that circadian rhythm.

And so the 10 p.m. Run was, you could push through it but then when you woke up, we had to wake up at 1:30 to be ready and it was just like, that's when you start actually feeling everything and it's just like, okay, gotta lean into this thing, you know, and it was interesting that you were saying that. Was it your yeah, my or running or a ring was saying that during the night runs you were actually sleeping with. Yeah, interesting.

I think it was. I think it was my, I don't know if my watch or my ring but one of them was definitely off because it was And that I was sleeping. I guess it was my ring. That was saying that I was sleeping when I was running which couldn't be farther from that because how definitely not a heart rate was up there. Yeah. Yeah, but the yeah, that was it's interesting cuz we're doing like polyphasic, sleep, the

whole way through. So we would try and sleep for an hour and a half and then recharge get our feet elevated improve the blood flow and then do it all over again, and I don't know about you, but I've got terrible feet. So my feet, I'm super flat footed, overpronate and everything that could go wrong with a foot. I've got that in my foot. My feet rather. So I was feeling it after I mean, shoot the first few months because that run a mile every day, but I don't run for miles

at a time ever. So doing that multiple times throughout the course of 48 Hours was interesting to say the least, but you seem to be holding up pretty well. Like your joints and ankles and everything seemed to be pretty solid, they did. And I'll give you this last year. I ran a alone on flat ground. And I was, I did a fasted. And, as you saw running, We really don't need that much food, for whatever reason.

Maybe it's a different energy source because it's more aerobic than anaerobic it, because we fast it all Sunday. We did. And it was pretty easy. Yeah, especially when you're thinking about, okay, I can either get some food or I can lay down for an extra 10 minutes. Mmm, at that point sleep is important, but I did it on my own in Tulsa, on flat ground. So, when I get here, Roberts like, hey, let's run.

Both of these, you know, get one mile on each of these paths to see what it's like and he takes me out there and you These crazy inclines on that the one that cement. And then the one that we did on the trails again, it was just like rocks. Yeah, rocks and your its trail running. So you've got these inclines. It's interesting is what Robert called her. I said treacherous, once he got wet.

But again, it was about challenging ourselves and Robert, absolutely crushed it and like he went at the same speed that he would for a 1-mile run. He did that every Four Mile Run did not slow down to not. Let let up at all. Left me in the dust many times and so, I just can't say enough great things about His nine said and his resilience or tremendous but you really don't know how tremendous it is until you do something like this. And I saw you do it first hand. I saw you go internal.

I saw you really push and so to anybody who's questioning, if he is a Savage, if he has a keto Savage, he absolutely is. And it shows me that you could do anything you wanted. Like, if you wanted to be an ultra-marathoner, you absolutely could. You're just choosing to express yourself from a body building component for the most part. But again, Two mile run for tomorrow ruck march.

Like it shows what you're capable of and to have that kind of mindset and then be able to apply in business and Leadership. You're unstoppable, brother, more like wise, man. I mean, we were talking. You get, you said U-turn in 50 next month. Is that what this month this month? I'll be 50 on the 27th. Well, happy early birthday.

But thanks. So you've got like, almost 20 years on me, man, which is, you know, not a trivial amount of years and you're out there and you're killing it as well. I mean, you never once complained, you never want stops. I mean, you're out there hustling, man. I mean, and there was a few times where your hip flexor were seasoned up and you walked a

little bit to stretch that out. But I Honestly point to many 50 year olds that was out there that would be out there and be it capable of doing what you were doing. Yeah, and that's what it was. It was like, okay, even if I have to walk to stretch these things out. It doesn't mean I'm going to stop and I walk long enough for them to open up and then I go I run and then they start locking up. That's fine.

But you know if I have to crawl, like I said, if I have to crawl through the last four miles, I'll do it. Because we're not, we haven't come this far to just stop right at the precipice. Yeah, and that's when we really Dig deep. And that's when we realize what we're made of, it's not always going to be easy. But nothing in life is and we have to make the decision. We're paying a price, either way in anything that we do, whether it be the price of mediocrity or the price of greatness.

And even in the attempt of great things, it helps us get to that next level. So, I was telling you last year when I did this, help me Elevate in business, we look back at what we did before. And if we Elevate to a higher level, like what you've done here, will you you've This incredible team, you built this, incredible compound. You look back at what you did before.

So, if you're doing a quarter of a million and then if I'm your business coaches, say, oh, we just work twice as hard, and you're like, well, there's not enough hours in the day to work twice as hard. But when you have better systems in place, you have a better team, you can truly scale. Now, you can look back at what you were doing before and say, why was I even doing that? Yeah with this.

It's the same way. It makes you look at those areas where you're like I compromised on that or I'd barely check the box on that or iPhone this in the 4 by 4 by Rt8.

Help. You see all the areas, all the pockets of opportunity that you're letting go by, and when that happens and you know what, you're truly capable of, it really keeps you from staying satisfied with being less than what you could be. Yeah, I think you know perspective in life is everything and you know, the hardest thing you've ever done is always the hardest thing you've ever done. So, you know, what what I view is incredibly challenging. Other people may view as trivial

and and vice versa. And what people have experienced in life. So pushing yourself outside your comfort zone and gaining more perspective, as to what you're truly capable of both physically and mentally. And emotionally makes your perspective that much more enhanced and it gives you that much more, I guess opportunity understanding of where you're at in life and you can kind of pick, you know, feel the curtain back on where you've been

before. And it makes it a trivial in your own mind at that moment or something that seemingly

insurmountable. But with something like this for instance after about 14 In miles or so after whatever extent that was I mean, I'm hurting at that point on my knees are hurting, my ankles are hurting like everything's hurting sleep-deprived and a lot of people stop when they start feeling pain and we were feeling pain before we ever even hit the halfway point, but it's like, we're like failures not an option. Like I'm grabbing the crutches and hung on a cross, this finish line for have to.

So when you know that you cannot back out and you push through the it mean, it's like, it's incredibly empowering. Like when we first started each, After we started hurting, I thought first couple laps is brutal. Like you. And I are both sent both out there looking like 90 year olds, you know, going in Shuffle. Yeah, the old man Shuffle going. The pace of a snail, but then after you start warming up a little bit joins, Kalitta

lubricate him. You can kind of pick up the pace and it's a little bit easier, but that first, little bit is, is brutal. And I feel like that is, you know, synonymous with most things in life, when you're doing something new, when you're doing something outside, your comfort zone when you're hurting, and when you don't have the perspective that Little bits freaking hard, you know, like in business. There's so many hurdles and businesslike, like taxes and llc's.

And you know, if you got a food product business, get like Health Department, there's all these things that are hurdles that are designed, not designed to stop you. But definitely act as a way to really separate the people that want it from those that don't exactly.

But when you're able to push through all that and then get to the other side, it's like start building some momentum and then when you have the momentum to carry you through, Just Keep On Truckin, you know, and I feel like I don't know what David going is original intent was when he made this challenge. I feel like there's so many, you know, there's so many, there's so many instances in which it can be applied to every person's

day-to-day life. No matter what they're doing, no matter where they're at. I mean, it's just, it's very applicable to everything that everyone's doing it absolutely is. And just like you said, when there's no other choice, the choice is simple. We're committed. We're doing this. So, by hook, or by crook, if you're carrying me or I'm carrying you, we get there. And it's the same thing with business with a relationship with anything in our lives.

If we give ourselves. The, in the back of our head, the idea that? Well, if this doesn't work, I can always quit. Then we will subconsciously. Hold ourselves back. Demagogue has talked about the forty percent rule, where it feels like, you want to give up. And that's where your body, actually, when you want to give up the most, that's your only at 40% of what you're capable of.

And my goal is with my clients to get them to that 80%, because there's the 20% of life that we can't control whether it be a cancer, diagnosis, a death in a family, financial ruin, etcetera, but Knowing what you're capable of and being able to push pretty close to that Max. Let you have this adversity, kind of bubble, this kind of, you know, buffer to let you get through the other parts of it. And like you said the four by four by forty eight for those of

you that don't run. I mean, I'm not a runner. I have not already enjoy running at all hate it. I do too in the military. That was the default. Nope. Whatever is going on.

Okay, go for a run and I was like, all right, you know, we're just beating our joints up, but even if you were able to Workout for 45 minutes, if you were able to walk for 45 minutes, if you do it on the time hacks, if you do it with the sleep deprivation, it will show you what you're truly capable of and it will make you tap into things that you didn't know where you in there. And the reason why we do that is because we've never pushed to that point.

We've never been in a place where we had to go above and beyond and if you're not going to do it for you, imagine how this will impact the people around you, your business, your family, your loved ones, your friends. So what happens is we were talking about how The tide that rises All Ships. What I have found like, even coaching my clients when I elevate a level, it they have no other option other than to use the gravity of that to get up

higher. Mmm. They know I'm going to call them on their bullshit. They know that I'm going to actually say is that true? Or did you just go until you hit adversity? Because that's what everybody does just like with lifting, right? You go to that point where it's like now, it's difficult. Okay. I've hit failure. Do you have it? Hmm? Focus. All of a sudden. Oh, you got another up, I'll you get two more reps. You got three more reps now and

now your form is breaking down. So you better quit, but the idea is if you can get three extra reps, each time, hmm. Each workout five workouts at a week 15 in a month 15 in a week. What 16 a month. That's a lot of progress that you can make and that's that area that we have to go into and just lean into and understand that. That's where we actually get the most growth. Yeah. It is crazy. How much like before you even Reach that halfway point your mind is telling you, look, we're done.

Your body is telling you, we're done like with the forty percent rule. Like what does that defined as exactly like. Goggins basically says when you feeling like quitting, that's the only reached 40% of your true potential is that basically what he says. Yeah, and that's basically from the military. If you've been any military, they talk about that, but the forty percent rule is like, like you said when your mind wants to quit or when your body's hurting but there's a lot more in there.

Mmm. And think of it like a defense mechanism. We're trying to protect ourselves. We're trying. And to not get ourselves in a place where we're going to be in danger. And I understand that that's important from a biological standpoint for survival. But in the environment that we live in today, where we have first world problems, like oh my latte is not hot enough for all the Wi-Fi here sucks in the grand. Scheme of things. We need this kick in the ass to keep us. Really honest.

And ground is back to what's truly important. Yeah, what's truly a threat was truly remarkable. And if we don't do this consistently, then we get caught up on social media. The Two BS in politics, you know, people that are complaining about pronouns things like that, things that are in the grand scheme of things that don't really matter. Yeah, and if we don't start looking towards those things, we will be woefully ill-prepared for life when adversity actually does come in.

So even with what's going on in the world right now, there's a lot of stuff that helps people kind of quickly realize that there's a lot of fluff. There's a lot of BS. Hmm. And if we can live from that place of trying to be as grounded as we can to reality And I always say that people always talk about, you know, have your why, it's not about your why it's about self-knowledge, because if you have a y and you're saying, oh, it's this, it's this group or my family that I'm using.

As my why, what will happen is? If you're not careful your work, your ass off for this this, why these people or this company. And then there will be a time when you go through some hardship and maybe you don't feel like you're being recognized or appreciated as much or loved as much as you should and it can turn into this unnecessary resentment.

But if you just look at it and say I'm doing this to figure out what I can do, self knowledge comes from embracing diversity and the more that you know about yourself and you can be really honest. We talk to clients, right? Had that client when you ask them. Okay, what is the easiest way? You're going to self sabotage yourself on this goal? Whether it be keto, whether it be in business, and you just have that conversation. Now before they get into it and now all of a sudden they start

realizing. Oh, yeah. This is what I would do. And then you have the discussion early and you take you get in front of it and you take all the strength from it. And now, if you're in that position, again, you've already had the conversation, you've already decided again, you already committing. So now you don't have to wonder well, again when I'm tired, I'm not going to Quit all my body's hurting my going to quit. Well, those things are inevitable.

Yeah, whether you quit or not is on you and then that self knowledge comes through knowledge of yourself through adversity. Yeah, when you I mean, you really truly do, give yourself all the options at the onset. Like, you know, if quitting is an option, you know, if it's not and when you know, it's not like you don't let your mind sabotage. You like when we were running, you know, before we even got the halfway point, like, this freakin sucks. I'm hurting.

You know, why are we? In this yada yada yada, but I knew I was going to finish it, come hell or high water. So didn't really matter. So there's no benefit in like, letting myself become victim to those thoughts. And then, once you kind of, I don't know where that point is probably a bit different for everybody.

But once you caress that, you know, point which for me the last probably when I knew there was three stents left, like it was easy after that when there is three stents left the, I guess that would be 10 a.m. 10 a.m. To 2 p.m. And 6 p.m. It's like it's all downhill from here. And the last and I was freaking sprinting, you know, like I did the most treacherous trail and I was sprinting the whole way at the end and I was like whooping and hollering. And it mean from a physical standpoint.

My body was the most worn down at that point, the most sick to bribe the most beaten, but mentally, I was on cloud nine because it's like, look, it's already over and like just finish strong and when you do that, you can kind of like reverse engineer that and apply that to the beginning, the middle and throughout the end so that you Hey, look, how you feel? How you perform is totally within your mind. And so many people don't do that and they have this victim mentality.

We're talking about that the other day, too. Like when you have this extreme ownership, kind of quote junko there like you feel much more empowered and some people that they find that scary because like they have no one to point two, but when you have this extreme ownership mentality and it's always on you and you accept full responsibility in my mind and in your mind, that's that's empowering. Because whether you fail or you succeed, it's always your fault.

And I feel like that's, I mean, that's liberating my opinion. It absolutely is for me. The minute that I stopped trying to wait for somebody to save me was when I had to save myself. Hmm. So people don't need somebody to come save them. So maybe we don't need something outside of us. We need to take ownership of who we are and tap into that potential. And the way that we tap into that is by pushing ourselves and do it hard should, and this is a perfect opportunity to do it.

So many times in the victim mentality. And, and listen, I understand if you're in a place of morning, that's fine. There's a For that. But eventually, you know in your mind that you're just sitting here feeding that that you're just sitting here wallowing in that and now you're not doing enough to push you forward and if you aren't able to be aware of that, if you don't have that self knowledge, then again that becomes your, your identity

being a victim as an identity. And now you put that out there signaling on social media. So all of a sudden, if you do happen to have a good day in, this is made like, comment. So we'll oh mr. Pessimistic. Mr. Sarcastic, mr. Right? Hate Mondays and I live for Friday's now that paint you into a corner. Hmm, intellectually.

So even if you wanted to break out of that even if you were feeling more empowered you wouldn't do it because you would allow the opinions of others that you've pretty much created on your own. Keep you there and all of a sudden people get stuck in that I called the adversity, scale.

Right? Like the worst thing you've ever done in your life is a 10, the hardest thing you've ever done and then like having on our through 0, as you were saying, If you can click that scale up little by little, it makes you really aware of what you're hitting. But also if you said yourself, okay, the four by four by forty, eight was most difficult thing. I've done in my life and then we're having a conversation or you're dealing with a, like a

retailer or whatever. It's going to, you know, it's a pain in the ass. But if you look at it, you're like, on the grand scheme of things, honestly. What is this? Yeah, compared to the four by four by forty eight. This is like a 2 or a 3. Like this conversation will be done in 45 minutes or whatever it is and You can move on to the next thing and with that knowledge again. It's in bolting it help.

It helps you embolden you and helps you move forward aggressively because you know, the end result is still going to be what you want. Right? And with that knowledge. Like how many people would be even more Resolute? Be even more committed. Be even more aggressive towards the things that they want, if they knew that, if they could just push this one point, it would all be downhill. Mmm. And the reality is, that's how life is. Yeah. So if you Belabor the point.

If you drag your feet, you're actually making it harder on yourself. If you have your foot on the brake and trying to push the gas. You're literally holding yourself back, you're shooting yourself in the foot. So, if that's the understanding that you have from doing hard things, then you just have to be able to step away and say, I want to have hindsight. Now, I want to realize that in a few hours.

I can get a warm shower. I can get some food and go have some Mexican food to someone, right? And I can lay down for more than an hour at a time. And with that knowledge, it. These, I call them micro adversities, but other people in the military called the micro goals. So for us, it was like, you know, how many more laps do we have to do and they're like, okay, I've got five more laps. I got four more laps. I've got three more laps, two more laps.

And so, it's just about not thinking how hard it's going to be in the long run. It's about finishing this breath. This rep, this step. Mmm, and they just keep doing it. Yeah. I mean, when I'm doing a competition print, that's exactly what I did. Like I break it down. Like that was the think about it in terms of, hey, look I've got six more months. Of this like that's, that's the billeting.

Oh, yeah, you know, but if I look at, hey look, one more rep, one more meal, one more, whatever and you break it down that microbes stance. I mean, it's very, very doable, you know, and at that point the the factor like the single most definitive fact that determines those that succeed in those that don't is just consistency. And that if I was to pick one superhero, Trader - it's that I'm a freaking stubborn, son of a big bust. You something.

I'm gonna freakin do something no matter what, and that's why I like competition, perhaps, because they are very long there for 26 months long. And at no point in an entire prep, is it like incredibly daunting and challenging like, it's a workout. It's a meal, you know, it's whatever. But it's like the the hard part is doing it over the course of that four to six months span most people falter because they get bored with it.

They want to return to some degree of normalcy, and they don't have that staying power, but I feel like Consistency and disciplined towards the long game towards that staying power. Just chipping away at every single day. That is what makes people succeed. That's true in business. That's true in relationships. That's true and fitness as true and everything in life and it's the analogy that I use is if we're doing a bench press and I

have my arms locked out. I can hold the weight there for a long time because I'm using the rest of my structure of my body to take a lot of that Berry. So that's what consistency that's what discipline does. It takes all the emotion out of it takes all the effort out of it. But if I'm Having to continually muscle my way through with artificial motivation and trying to tell myself. All these other lies that I'm corroborating in my own mind or making these, make a make a deal

with myself. If I do this and then I can do this. What you're doing is you're actually making it harder on yourself unnecessarily, but again, taking the emotion out of it emotions, assassinate the truth, being consistent with what's going on in the people that I find that are the most triggered by the word motivation or triggered by the word discipline are people that lack. Lack discipline and lack motivation. So don't even try to be motivated, try to be

disciplined. Try to be consistent, and those routines eventually create gravity, and they eventually move you through. So you're already moving in this direction like pedaling the bike. Hmm, at my little story about when he was teaching his daughter, Bella how to ride a bike. And he would push her and she would start riding and she was start pedaling. But then when she saw that she was moving, she was stopped pedaling and just, you know, try

to enjoy the experience. But every time she would stop pedaling, she would fall down and every time he would push her, he was a keep pedaling. Keep moving forward, keep feeding into it. So when business and anything in life, even when things are going well, we need to keep pedaling medium pushing because that creates that momentum. So when we do get stuck in the mud for a minute, the momentum from the From the routine from the consistency pushes us through and now we can attack it again.

More aggressively, even if we get stuck for just a moment. I think Kevin non-negotiables in your life is it takes the guesswork out of it? It removes that from Weighing on your mental bandwidth. Like, for me working at is a good thing working at is, always a good thing, you know, eating healthy is always a good thing. There's no downside that comes from eating healthy, you know, doing this. These things and having them as non-negotiables is key to my success. I look at Crystal.

She's I don't know. I mean 32 weeks pregnant as of Wednesday and most people I would say they use something like that. That's not a normal thing. Like being pregnant as this, you know, get out of jail free card. So to speak of like, okay, it's okay for me to cheat on my diet. It's okay for me to slack up on my training. It's okay for me to stop doing all these things that have led to my success thus far in life, because I've got this, You know

extraneous circumstance. That's that's only temporary. But I've been super proud of her because she's maintained her. Dad told me through, she's maintained her training, the whole way through. She's Army her pregnancies been a breeze, honestly, and I think it's because she's leaning to those things that have brought her on the success that she's experienced thus far, and the same is true with you.

The same is true with me, like people experience success often times and then they they use that moment that hide it there on as a reason to stop. In the things that brought them to that successful spot to begin with. And for me, it's like I probably don't celebrate the wins as much as I should because I'm always moving on to the next thing and staying, you know aggressive, but that's what brings me the excitement's, what brings me satisfaction.

It's not so much that the act of winning are succeeding so much. It is the journey to get there. And when you forego that to the point that you're forgoing, what brought you there to begin with, you are literally failing you will. You will not play the long game. You will not Last because you're you're you're sacrificing the character traits that brought that success to begin with and to brag on your wife a little bit. She was out with us yesterday in the rain at 10 a.m. 2 p.m. And 6 p.m.

And she wasn't running guys. I'm not saying that but she was walking. Yeah, the whole time. Yeah, so she was there as an act of solidarity and she didn't need to be out there. I mean, she probably got 46 miles on her own just walking around, you know, and that was great for her and the baby and just like you said, the Ernie is guaranteed. There's going to be a journey. The destination is not, but if you can feed into that Journey to the best of your capacity and ask yourself, what is the

courageous decision right now? If you elevate that, if you use that as your limits test, the courageous decision would be to eat properly here. The courageous decision would be to work out even if I don't feel like it. The courageous decision is to admit to my wife or to my loved ones. Hey, I messed up and I apologize, you know, I was in a bad place, whatever it is. We're being honest with yourself and saying, yeah, you know, you

slapped on that. That courageous decision is what allows you to make the right decision, even when you don't feel like doing it, like all things. It's about what's the courageous decision? What is the quality over quantity idea here? What would be the most quality use of my time right now? Hmm. A my 8020 in there. So I'm using Parkinson's law. Am I using Hick's law? Am I trying to use Occam's razor? My trying to simplify things. Am I trying to align things.

So that now, when I move forward, I can just do all these things in order as opposed to running way over here, dealing with this. And now having to turn 180 run over here wasting more time in transit that actually doing things with it. So that idea and that commitment to the journey makes the destination a foregone

conclusion. But if you don't come at it with that idea, if you don't come at it with this understanding that it is going to take time, but anything worth doing anything in your life, that is worth doing, takes time. It takes effort. And if you think about in your life, any time when you felt really like proud, it's because you went through something difficult is because you were pushed if you have that. Coach or that leader.

The demands more of you. And says, I'm being hard on you because I know that you're capable of more. Yeah, you may not like him at the time you don't have to. But at the end of the day when you get to that place and you're like, wow, I'm so glad we got there. It's amazing. Once you're at the top of the mountain, all the hardship that you went through to get there all the adversity. You went through becomes irrelevant. You don't even care about it.

We're sorts a day, but I'm so glad that we did it. Yeah, and we're going to be sore anyway. Yeah, totally and I feel like, you know, there's so many points in life so many points in the acute and in the macro The Chronic where it's like you have the choice to push yourself in Excel and do that hard challenging thing or not.

But the moment you decide not to it becomes exponentially easier to not to just say no to it again and again and again like for me personally, my goal throughout this was to not walk at any one point. Like my goal was to be able to

say, hey look, I ran 50 miles. . Never once walked and nothing against people, that do while you walk some because you had some hip flexor issues, but for me, I knew that if I had want it have been easier to justify walking later, you know, and so many people have that in so many ways. They would have been easier for us to say, let's let's, let's sleep a little bit longer and start a little bit later.

Yeah, if we if we had allowed her substitute at once, but we didn't, you know, so like the moments people allow themselves to give in I need a weakness or a Temptation or say no to the hard conversation, that needs to be hand. It becomes so much easier to continue to do that. And I mean, everything compounds, the good compounds, the bad compound. So if you if you start veering off a path that is negative or easier over simplified or not. The right path, you're compounding.

Effect of that is going to be that much harder to break free of as time goes on. And that's the key. The way that we conduct ourselves in the face of adversity is an indication. Of how we do everything else in our life. Hmm? And like you said, if I compromise once, if I cheat on my diet that makes it easier for me to cheat on my wife.

Hmm. So if we decide to compromise at the first sign of adversity that bleeds over into everything else that we do in our life and it's like well, yeah, no sure no problem. And then like you said that becomes this Cascade where now all of a sudden, you know your center from the TV all day, you're eating crap food. You feel horrible and you have the audacity to wonder. Why? Because you have moved your

body. You haven't fed it properly and probably the stuff that you're putting into your mind at that moment. There's times to have like, you know decompression, you know, kind of a reboot. That's fine. But in the end. People always thought that it was lack of information that kept people, you know, stupid we see now that having more

information is not the answer. If more information was the answer, then everybody would be a billionaire and have six pack abs right now because the internet and I think you see that that's not the case. If anything we've actually devolved in a lot of ways, we've actually regressed because now people are looking for somebody else to give them this artificial pacification that's artificial motivation for a few

moments. Like we were talking about like the tweets that I I try to make them very simple and for whatever reason people like that bite-sized, nugget of, you know, it makes me feel inspired. But I'm afraid that they don't see the underlying stuff. I am afraid. They don't see what got me to that point to say that. It's so succinctly. And if you don't understand that, then you're basically just, you know, getting this artificial sound bite. That makes you feel good for a

few moments. And then moving on to the next thing. If? If we can just understand that they're going to be times when we don't feel great. Even if we're doing everything properly journal and our life people talk about it's the five Psych the five steps of of ownership or the five steps of acceptance and it goes denial. Something bad happens, adversity, integer life you go into denial.

Then you go into this place of anger and anger is based on resentment because of what you saw that you could have done, you have remorse. Then you the third phase is you're there and all of a sudden now you're trying to bargain in some capacity. And a lot of times people go into a micro cycle of just that. Denial. Anger bargaining. Back into anger again because you don't want to accept it back into bargaining back into

denial. And if you look at that, all those are basically the victim cycle, once we're through the place of actually stopping this understanding and knowing that I can't make a bargain with anybody to do this. Then you go into depression and then you go into acceptance. So there's going to be times. Even with successful people. I've had clients that are incredibly successful in there.

Like, man, I just feel really depressed and it's because all these Cycles. Are going on extraneously, whether they're aware of it or not. So from one of them, incredibly successful amazing business making all this money and then they had a child. And that for him was the conclusion that he didn't have any opportunity to bail out. He couldn't just quit the business or get divorced and go back that backpack through Europe. Hmm.

And even though he says I felt really guilty for feeling like that. You know, I should I have all these things going on. That everybody would love to have on the outside. I look very successful. But that's what you see with successful people is they're going through this place of acceptance. So if we can just sit with that and understand, This is just an emotion. This will pass and Zen.

They say that when you meditate when a thought, enters your mind, if you stop and give it t, it will stay there and it will proliferate, but if you just let it come and go. So again, just being okay with the emotion saying, I don't feel great right now. That's okay. I don't have to try to get on Tick-Tock to to give myself a dopamine head. I don't have to eat some shit food to give me an insulin Spike. And if you're not sure if that's really hitting you right now,

ask yourself right now. If you're feeling this emotion, ask yourself, where is the evidence that this is harming me? Hmm, unless you have like a suicidal ideology or you have like self, you know, harming Tendencies it won't, and then you can just understand it for what it is and accept it for what it is without emotion, without expectation without desire. And then eventually it will flow through you and it will go away.

And again, that's another excellent example of what we found for the 4, by 4 by 48. If I'm resisting this the whole time, God this sucks God, I'm cold, man. It's way. It's raining again. Doesn't matter. Me resisting against it, makes it difficult. So having this radical almost aggressive acceptance of everything. I say. Yes. Now, what does that do? And those five steps that we just talked about, I go from skipping denial. Skipping anger, skipping everything.

And I go right to. This is the reality, I accept it for what it is, and the sooner that we can get the data to that reality. The sooner we can actually take action to change it. But if I'm fighting against it, the whole time, if I have a flat tire and I'm like, I can't believe this is happening and now I'm pissed off and I'm you know, yelling and screaming again. What am I doing? I mean, I'm in the dial, eventually have to good get to the point to realize don't make

a phone call. Do I start changing my own Tire? What do I do? All that time in between there were wasting. Yeah, and if you look at your life, there's a lot of mental bandwidth that we waste a lot of emotional bandwidth that we waste in the process of trying to deny the reality that book that is right before us. Yeah, I think you know, like not even listen. This is a business owner, but I think in owning a business that

has employees. It has a physical product that has shipping and Logistics and customer service and all that stuff. I've learned to think ahead. On a level that it just it's comical how crazy for him to think ahead and have to imagine all the worst-case scenarios and then plan accordingly, and have a contingency plan in place for everything that possibly can happen.

And the amount of times that it actually happens that those contingency plans have to be put into it into effect because something does like the random things that you would never expect to happen. Happen to me all the time, and it's not like I've got bad luck, you know? Because I don't believe in bad luck like you make your own look, if something happens, it's outside. Plan, it's my fault. Even if it's not my doing, it's

always my fault. And when you do that, your ability to plan accordingly, plan ahead and then be at peace with the outcome is so much better than if I was to just, you know, have this. Oh, woe is me victim mentality and then because I've planned ahead and my ability to not go into denial and go through those five phases because I've already planned for that, you know, adverse thing happening is just

much better. I've got a A hedge against all the - vets and you know, sometimes I don't plan for something like Something's Happened outside of my out of my knowledge, but that's not 24 growth right there. It's an opportunity to know. Okay, next time I need to plan for this because this is now possibility and that can be applied to everybody whether they own a business or not. Because everybody goes through things and that aren't unexpected that are unplanned but it amazes me.

How many people have these unexpected, you know, extraneous circumstances come into their life and they just That ruined their life. Like they have a bad day and then just has this - cascading effects. It just continues to compound and create a worse day. But I mean like they is I mean the day is going to happen. The 24 hours are going to revolve whether you want it to or not and life is finite. The fact that you were breathing and listen to this podcast right now.

Puts you in the top 1%. So to think negatively towards anything. It's happening in your, you know, frail little life is just totally in conducive to any amount of Positivity or success that you could ever see or experience. So taking everything as it comes running with it, making the most of it not having a victim mentality, not going into denial, not going into this - cascading thought process is so key.

And I feel like owning a business is the vehicle that allowed me to figure out who the hell I am as a person and how I need to function as a contributing member to society. And that vehicle be very different for lots of different people based off of their life and what they're doing, but everybody owes it to Selves to figure out what the hell that vehicle is. It needs to be, and then go full bore into it with everything. They've got that's it. And the beauty of adversity, is it my tedx?

And my book? I say it is like, adversity, shows up unannounced at the most inopportune time without apology. It couldn't care. Less about what you want. It doesn't give a damn about your feelings and diversity, doesn't take no for an answer. It forces us to elevate to a higher level. It never lets us do just enough to get by. It knows our true potential. Even we, when we don't Which is why it kicks our ass when we don't give a hundred percent.

Enriched of any wrote an incredible book called The attribute is the next Navy SEAL commander and he was saying that resilience is not just the ability to have grit is the capacity to adapt to the unexpected. So, there's a lot of people that are mentally stronger or there's like different circles in our life.

Right? So you have a person who's incredibly disciplined with the working out in their diet, but then when they go to their job, their half-assing it when they're in their relationship, they're the kind of empty. So, if you have this ability, if you have this framework in one area, why aren't you challenging yourself to do it in other places? Why aren't you challenging your? That? Same discipline that you use in the gym to work towards your own personal life?

Whether it be creative side, Hustle. Being a better leader at work, being a better husband or wife being a better member of your Society. David Goggins, even said it in his book, he was saying how He knew that he wasn't very smart and he said that he took the same discipline that he did from running to learning like dive manuals. So he knew that he would have to write it out manually 10 times to get to the place to do it. That's incredible discipline. And again, it's easy to be

disciplined in one sphere. But do you have the honesty with yourself to say, man? If I could keep doing what I'm doing over here and write these write this down 10 times or whatever it takes to get into that place. That's what it. To get you to that next area.

So again, like you said the vehicle of the business, it's the best personal development project you could ever have because you learn more about yourself, writing a book, create a business dealing with those hardships than you ever would from try. I hate that. Everybody is looking for the next program or the next book or the next Mastermind to give them all the answers, to give them all these this formula to success.

But again, like I said before, I can give you all the formulas in the world, but if you don't know who the hell you are or what you believe in, and what's important to you, like really important. None of this should other matters. It doesn't, you're just following somebody else's formula that may or may not have helped them in that moment.

And until you can find In the Destroyer lie in alignment with you and congruent with everything that you're doing and you believe in, you're going to be basically. Inefficient with a lot of your time. Totally agree. Let me ask you this. We live in an era and a time and a place in which things are pretty cush. I mean there's there's definitely things going on the world right now that are not sunshine and rainbows and I don't want to discredit that.

But I mean, if you have time to listen to a podcast, if you have, you know, if you have money in the bank, if you have clothes on your back food in the fridge, and then you're probably not waking up every single day questioning whether or not you're going to be surviving that day.

So we create these self-imposed hardships, whether that be something like the format for about 48, whether that be a bodybuilding competition prep with that be a business, whether it be a mere, whatever, that is. We create these self-imposed hardships to benefit from all the, the mental psychological emotional, physical strains, that result and for people like

you. And I mean, I think like a self mask because, you know, like, I seek out the pain, like I feel Draught when things are comfortable, like, I feel like if I'm in a place, a place of comfort, I'm doing something wrong like it. That's what brings me, anxiety. If I'm incredibly miserable. I feel more at peace, which is just weird to say, but it's true. In some people, you know, they don't have near enough hardship and some people neither in the spectrum.

They create so much hardship that they are not able to relax and that can be a negative thing, as well. So, how would you define? Enough. What is enough is enough? A good thing is, I don't think satisfaction is a good thing. I think contentment is a good

thing. I like to be content with where I'm at. Always striving to be better, but I like to be content with where I'm at, but not so much satisfied with where I'm at. So learning how to you know, present things and bring things into my life, that pushed me but in a sustainable manner that like you and I 150 miles and that was great, but it probably would be counterintuitive or counterproductive for us to run 50 miles every single day of our life, you know, so at what point?

And this is gonna be different for everybody. But how would you define enough? And how would you define sustainability, and scalability? Like, how would you structure this in a way that is more positive than negative? And that's a great point, because if you look at social media, you're going to have one side of the side. That tells you always push, you know, hash. Tag team, no, sleep grind, grind grind. If you're having a grind, 18 hours a day.

You're doing something wrong. You're not efficient with your time. So in my mind, doing enough means that I'm doing everything that I possibly can efficiently being very honest with myself. Again that self-knowledge adversity is the gateway to self knowledge. That helps you understand what is enough, but the beautiful point that you brought up also is US running. Again, today is would be stupid and counterproductive

unnecessary, right? So, sometimes enough means you're asking yourself to demand more. Sometimes, especially for people that are hard Chargers, the hardest thing for them to do. Is take a step back. The hardest thing for them to do is to not keep pushing to not continue to make that phone call to not continue, making that email. And the thing is like you said for each of us that as an individual that's different. And you also go through phases, right?

You go through phases writing your book phases in and prep for competition. There's going to be places like we were talking about it. My wife and I last month last year. We traveled once every month and then we got married. And you were even Crystal where there. And I'm so glad you were by January of this year. If I followed that same Pace, you know, I talked to her and she's like, I mean, because I thought I said, it's like, it's January.

Let's go to the Caribbean or something and she's like, That sounds good. And I'm like what's going on? And she said, you know, frankly with all the stuff we did last year. It would feel good just to have like a staycation. Yeah. So again, to be honest with yourself and say, what's enough? Maybe once enough, what is enough is in this moment? What's optimal back to Rich to Vinny? He says, it's not about Peak Performance about Optimal Performance. So us, we were not at 100% at 2

a.m. Sunday morning, but we gave everything that we had, we gave whatever we had in the tank. Whatever your 100% is. We gave it at that moment. And that's where enough is. That's we're making it in a way where it's optimal where you're not getting these huge diminishing returns where you're not unnecessarily.

Yourself where you're not putting yourself into like a psychological or mental state where now, no matter what happens, you're not happy or putting yourself in a place where you can't even connect and be transparent with a loved one, you know, people in your team Etc. Because without that I was talking to you about people that have Coach where they weren't being honest with themselves and that made it impossible for them, to be honest, with other

people. And now you're sending out these mixed signals and now people are confused and you may have an expectation from somebody else or from a team member and you may never have even express that but if you don't, it's impossible for them to read your mind to anticipate everything that you want. Won't you? Just tell them? This is what I this is what I'm expecting. This is what enough is?

This is what good is. If we want Excellence we try to go about that as much as we can in a way that again is sustainable. Because if we don't, it's very easy for us. It's hard Chargers to burn out. Even me after my injury, but those of you that don't know, I was injured, the military. I was paralyzed from the neck down dying. The table twice. I told never walk again. So 40 years old.

That's what happened. Now, once I got out, trying to figure out what the hell do I do with my life, that was another challenge and then when I started on this entrepreneurial path writing a book speaking, I found myself very much drawn to this idea of just keep pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing because This finite and we only have so much time but I also understood that there's more to life than just that push and more to life than just this artificial metric.

You know, how much is enough again? How much mediocrity is enough for people? How much inconsistency is enough for people? If you can ask yourself those questions to be really honest about what really matters to you, like, really, like, what would you fight or die for? That's a good place to begin. If you were injured, like I was and you were able to walk again, what would you want to do immediately? Like these are the real questions, not some artificial

in a little checklist. You get from social media from a book. Most of those things are very superficial at best and people love superficial because they don't actually have to do the work. Mmm. It's Adam. And I often times think about death like, I think, you know, momentum or a. Yep, I think. And I visualize and I like spin legitimate time thinking about. What would my day look like if I died today?

What would my day? Look like, if Crystal was given a death sentence, like what, what are the most important people in my life? And how would I conduct myself if I knew and that something treacherous was going to happen to them? Them and that sounds really morbid. But I feel like it improves the quality of the relationships. I have with those people.

It improves the quality of how I spend my time throughout that day and the plans that I make throughout my life and I feel like you know death is going to happen to us. All like it's inevitable like you and I were going to be fertilized and daffodils before too long, you know, so being at peace with that accepting that fixating on it for a moment and then recognize that it's going to happen.

And then living your life with that knowledge as opposed to sticking your head in the sand and running away from it. I mean, I think that's something that we all would benefit from. I feel like recognizing it being a peace with the fact that life is finite that we are going to die and that really focusing on how we're going to live that life. You know, that that's that's the key thing and people say this like, it's all it's all said, it's all out there.

It's probably in some much fancier quote that I've just Illustrated somewhere, but I feel like so few people live with that. Knowledge, like if I was dying today. I would honestly be smiling, man. Like I have no regrets - sure, there's things that I wish I would have done. Could have done should have done, but I think the day like I'm proud of the life that I've lived up, this point, like I feel good about it and I'm happy to say that.

I don't know if most people could say that, I hope so, but I don't know that. That's the case. But yeah, man, I think, I think recognizing it being at peace with the brevity of life, super super important character trait. And like you were saying, you know, we have to figure out, Out a way to push but then also be sustainable. I feel like if a hundred percent is ending with your death, like if you're running a marathon you like.

Hey, I'm gonna give it 100% and people say I'm going to give it 100%. Go out all the time to go give it 110%, But if you give it 100% like that would literally mean that you die. At the end of it. You give it all that. You have to point that your heart literally stops beating when you cross that finish line. That's 100%. Obviously. We don't want to do that. Every time I run a marathon and and Marathon meeting anything in life, it's hard.

And because you obviously would be shutting your life, pretty short, to me. It's far more impressive to live at 80% 100% of the time, then to go 99% once or twice throughout your entire existence. When I've tried to do is, is live pretty much 80%, Like, I find that making eighty percent, you know, that that's more or less sustainable in my eyes be 80% and then do things like this. Like the four by four by forty eight. I mean, that, 100% for us because we didn't die.

We're still here breathing but that was, I don't know. 90%, maybe. So if you're Livin Life 80% but then you've got, you know, moments in time, you know a couple times throughout the year where you go to 90 95 percent and you really figure out what you're made of.

That makes what at that point, as 80% being sustainable, it just UPS the ante a little bit so that you know next time your current 80% is actually 85% going forward and I feel like if you do Ooh, that repetitively over the course of your existence. What you find to be sustainable and scalable. Just continues to improve and I feel like that should be all over goal.

If, you know, I mean, everybody knows if they're pushing it or if they're not like whenever I go too long without really pushing it, I feel guilty, like, I feel bad. That's why I do something like this chance. Why do something like, write in the books? Why do something that's outside of my normal area of comfort. But we all know if we push ourselves are not and you know what, my level of perspective is. What is hard is going to be different for anybody else?

But we all inherently know, if we're doing it right or doing it wrong, and you got to have enough self awareness and be honest with yourself and then adjust and act. Accordingly. That's the Josh waitzkin. He wrote the, the art of learning. And he's a Peak Performance coach for like, the most impressive, you know, hedge fund managers in the world. He's got four different interviews on Tim Ferriss show, amazing guy, right? He says that in the progression

to Excellence, it is a marathon. And it is a Sprint. It is a marathon of Sprints. And that's what you're talking about is like I know the 80% is right to the point where it forces me to adapt, but not to the point where I'm breaking my legs. Every time I do squats and even then, I found coaching different people, you have a person who's like an incredible achiever in business and then they get corroborated by that behavior because of society and they go.

Oh, look at this, entrepreneur change in the world doing all these things. And they think that unless they're going on a thousand percent in that area. All the time that they're not doing enough. They also fear because they're doing well in one area, but their physical fitness, maybe it's not great.

The person relationships probably not their meditation components or spirituality belief systems self-introspection non-existent and they fear that if they pull back even a little bit on this one area of business and pushing that is going to stop them, but that's going to be their Edge, but you have to remember that the edge Cuts both ways.

And what I found that is by giving them the capacity to pull back, just a little bit in this one area and give more attention to their family, to their relationships, their their physicality, their diet fasting, keto stuff and their ability to actually have some self introspection when these areas elevate. It takes where they used to be, even if it's pulled back and makes everything Elevate again and again, and again. And now Well, there's this Joy.

Now, this is there's a satisfaction that they were afraid to allow themselves to feel in the process.

And I know that may sound deep, but if you're doing anything, whether it be, and you're a leader, anybody, this listen, this is a leader in some way, whether you're a parent, whether you're a person that somebody looks up to it work, whether you own a multi-billion dollar company, if you understand that and you understand that you have to evolve and change and that means again some of your characteristics have to evolve and change your T to recognize things in yourself.

Here's the thing. People think the empathy is this like, soft fluffy word, but empathy is so key. Because if I have a team member and I don't have the intelligence to understand that to be empathetic to them, and see that they're either going through something or the, what I'm asking them is too much, or that they're confused or that I'm not clear enough on what I want from them. That's called pragmatic empathy. If I can't sense that that I'm

letting them down. I talked about it before, how if A leader of a company and I'm talking about. Let's go kill it. Let's go drag it back to the from the cave and let's do all this stuff. And you have half the companies like, yeah.

And the other half, the company is like, this sounds like it's going to be a lot more work in this going to be a lot more headache for us. And it feels like we're not going to get, you know, enough recognition for this now, unless unintentionally, you divided your company. Hmm, and now you're sending mixed signals and now by not having that empathy by being aware to just be a To read the room. It actually holds you back. It puts one arm behind your back.

But if you can reach people and say, listen, you guys are amazing. You're the reason why we're able to do this to a few people and operations. You people and fulfillment. You guys are going above and beyond and we can't thank you enough. As a matter of fact, our sales team has to step it up because

they can't keep up with you. And now the sales team gets a kick in the ass, which is people that are in that Arena usually like a little bit of fire and then the people that are on the other side, feel valued, they feel heard, they feel Seen. And if they can have that, now you've helped everybody and now that you've given that message on both sides and now you say together as a team as a company. This is how we get to the next level. What we're doing matters.

What we're doing is changing lives. You making keto bricks literally is changing, people's lives. Tom bill, you talked about it, his whole idea was this notion with Quest, was to have a food bar or any kind of food that was actually decent for you, good for you, but also metabolically advantageous while tasting good. The same thing that Peter Brooks like I recommend him to everybody. I mean, especially with what we were doing, right? Like, what do you say? I'm like, listen.

I'm tired. I'm going to get two bites of this cuter brick, and I'm going to lay down, I get a couple hundred calories are just high, quality nutrients, that's going to feed me. That's going to help me recover. The best. My capacity going to give me the good fast to lubricate my joints to keep my cognition where it needs to be and I can give those to people that are Hunters.

People that are hikers people that are any kind of Outdoors person because even in A crisis by Easter, he talks about when they would go hunting in like Alaska. They were eating just like crappy, you know, granola bars that were 200 calories of pH and he was like, you have to eat four or five of those things even felony for my satisfaction. But eating one key to break of yours is 1000 quality calories.

I mean, come on, man. You can put two or three of those in your rucksack and you're good and hopefully you get a bison or something to actually be able to eat, but if you don't you have enough to keep you going. And that's why what you do matters. That's why the way that You lead everybody, and when you have that, sort of gravity and knowledge, and every decision that you make it forces, you to make better decisions. So again, you're putting yourself in that place of having

to do the right thing. You don't have the option of slacking. You don't have the option of falling back. Because if you're a leader and you're not leading by example, you're just setting a bad example. Yeah, everybody's watching you and the one time that they see you. Slack is a leader. If you have people over here that are working their ass off and then they think that you're

not giving enough. They're always going to remember that that snapshot in their mind and other like Will Robertson there, you know, with his feet, kicked up, not do anything. They're only going to give about 75% of what your hundred percent is and we can't expect everybody to lead or or had the same vision that we do. But when you hire quality people, they love what this mesh is about. They love what your vision is and that's what will keep you

going. Again, when you hit the stick and get stuck in the mud sometimes. Yeah, I think, you know how the saying, how you do anything? Everything comes to mind as you're as you're saying that because I feel like no job is beneath me and that transcends the business. But everything. I mean like I want to take pride in every single thing.

I do. Whether it's sweeping the freakin break room floor or having a you know, big sales call with a potential client, it all matters and how you do anything is how you do everything. And I see so many people, half-ass an area of their life that they don't feel. It's very important and then they Promise that they're going to be freaking stellar and other areas, but to me if I see you half-ass anything. I'm assume that your ability to have fast.

Everything is Amplified as well. So I really look for for that attribute in people, you know, like taking pride in everything you do. No matter how insignificant seemingly insignificant the task is another thing. I don't want to forget because you'll be bringing another bounce, you know, if you like your salesperson example, like if they remove a little bit in that one area to add to other areas and then Raises All Ships, I think. I think that is one key attribute of a marriage believe

it or not. So like crystal is very different than me that we were raised very differently. Everything is very different. You're recently married as well to Rachel. And y'all are very different. But I think when you, when you're married to somebody who is different than you, which everybody's different from one another, in some form of fashion. It really sheds, light on to all these different pillars of your life and it forces you to open your eyes as to where things may

be lacking. I mean, before, before I had her in my life, my ability to just go full bore towards business was there. But everything else suffered in having her and giving her equal importance to anything that I'm doing, like it's not like I can look at life and be like, okay.

This is the things that I want to do and then the bank burners, all these things across the wants to do, I have to literally look at it through the lens of look, anything that she wants is just as important as anything I want. And when I have this equality towards off her desires, it's like, it's not fair for me to half-ass her, her, you know, wishes in order to fulfill my own. They have to all be, you know, in sync. So viewing the life with this symbiotic lens.

Now, in which, case everything that I do and spend time on benefits, the whole everything I do and spend time on benefits her whole and that we've got a baby on the way, you know, that being for Forefront of my mind like that to me is Is what is the benefit of having a marriage? Having a family? Having something that brings other people into your life? To the point where like you have to be aware of how you cannot. Just focus singularly on one thing because everything else will crumble.

And so many people go through life only focused on one thing, and they in their accepting of other things crumbling, but to me, like, if you had a hundred percent in 11 pillar and everything else is at 10%, then you are not winning, you are not sick. Eating. I mean, that that is failing. I mean, there's so many more attributes of life than just one singular notion.

So, get a little abstract here, but, but having her in my life, basically summarize, all this is has been one of the most beneficial things for me for the business, which if you were to ask me that, you know, ten years ago before I ever met her, I probably be like, no, like, I just need to do this. So money to this by myself. I mean, if I'm by myself, I could focus on everything that I want to focus on wholeheartedly. But having people inside, Your life that that are not.

You that think different than you has been nothing but advantageous for me. It's everything and we were talking about again. People that push really hard in business. Lots of times they do that because they don't want to deal with the anxiety of other parts of their life. You don't have to look at that. But as you say, when you have a fulfillment from a relationship, when you understand that every decision you make affects her and your child. It gives you a lot.

There's the stakes are much higher and it makes you again, it makes you truly 80/20 like the 80/20 principle, prevails principle is 20% of your actions create 80% of your outcomes. Now, our base heard that, as you've read tempers his bookie, we've all heard that, but nobody's actually putting that into play like all these Concepts. All these things were talking about. If they would just be surgical with that and look at every area of their life and say, okay. What's my priority?

What's really important? Again, her your business, the child, that's on the way and then say no bullshit. What's the most important thing to do here? When I'm tired, when you're in any, any state you have to ask yourself. What do I do? Well in this state, so if you're tired, what I do, well is I'm able to quickly hack away stuff. That's not important if I look at my schedule and I'm like, listen. I have a client called I have this.

And then, there are these other things that are sort of Superfluous. I immediately cut those things out because of my fatigue level and I have to be completely present to that person to that client to give them everything. Hmm. I owe it to them to do the best that I can. I owe it to them to make them a better person. Every time we're off that call. But if I'm trying to do a bunch of other things, in addition to

that, again, it's that drain. So, it's so important to really have that that notion of Just because I do something really well, here doesn't mean that I can't apply that to other areas and frankly. If you're not, like I can tell entrepreneurially where somebody is in their development by how much they talk about these things outside the business because it all they're talking about is grinding and how I crush this and I just made a 20,000 dollar deal here to, or a

million-dollar deal. Whatever it is. That's a person that shows me that they are not secure enough in their financial Financial components to be able to talk about their wife, their kids, what they just did, what they want to do. What? Their hobbies are. It's almost like in martial arts. When? I went to a Tony, I spoke at Tony Bowers event last summer, in Orlando, to all of his instructors.

And you will see some younger guys, sort of in the corner, and they've got like their blades out and they're comparing blades. And oh, I, this is the way I see. This is why I use this one to do different things. And I'm over there talking to Tony and we're just talking about life, and he kind of looks over and I look over at him to at the people that were there and there's nothing wrong with that, but it just shows that there are different places of development.

Those were guys that were just kind of new to this Arena to this idea of carrying a weapon being responsible for a weapon, what it would take when you to a place. Where that's You've done that in your, you've kind of Master.

That idea. You don't have to continually talk about it. You don't have to pontificate about it. You can just do other things because you feel secure in this, whether it be in your business space, whether it be in your personal relationships Pace, even your spiritual space, you know, that's how we can get to the next place. But if we feel like we're in adequate in those areas, were always going to try to beat our chest and round that. Yeah, we're talking about that

kind of indirectly order today. And balance the clothes we wear. Where, you know, like I used to, I see like really take a lot of pride in the clothes in my wardrobe. And now we're freakin shorts tennis shoes and a shirt every day. You know, it's like when you're super confident who you are as a person, the need to feel impressive to others is non-existent.

Like, I know who I am. Have enough self awareness to be proud of who I am, and I don't have to like wonder what people think about me. I just simply present, myself, confidently and accordingly. And then the people that are drawn To the vibe the Persona that I put off it. I mean that's Mutual, you know, like when you're not so worried about what people think and you just simply living your life to the fullest because you're proud of who you are. And you love the life, you're living.

I mean people can like pick up on that instantly. They see it in the spark, in your eye. They see it in the vibe, you put off and honestly, it's so much less exhausting because you have to constantly be masquerading around. If somebody you're not, I mean, the people that are doing the whole fake, it till you, make it concept like that. That's super popular in the

business terminology. Is that like a you got to just fake it till you make it like be I mean, I'm all for living life as if you were like if you are not where you want to be then live life like you were there. There's probably a better way to say that but like, you know, put into action that the person that you want to because that will replicate and become that

person. But not to the extent that you're having to mask right at somebody that you're not and you know, it took me a long time to have enough stuff for us to be able to do that. But now that I do it's like it's liberating because I don't have to expend so much energy. In somebody that I'm not and people know if they're in that

spot still. I think we all probably go to that spot at one phase or another in the beginning, especially but getting to a point where you don't have to do that is that that's where you want to be. For sure. There's that it's a meme and it's a Jay Z. When he was like, broke and he had, like, the all the fake chains and like all the fake bling, you know, wearing a fake Rolex and stuff trying to create this Persona and then it shows him now he's worth, you know,

billions of dollars, I guess. And what? I'm wearing a black T-shirt or a black, you know, long, Sleek kind of t-shirt, 0 jewelry, just very subtle. And like you said, that's where that's where you're out. When you're at this place of feeling confident. You don't have to feel this idea of putting on airs for other people and and frankly, the people that are, you know, judging you or whatever. It is, their opinion, doesn't

matter. Anyway, the people that are trying to push stuff on you, the hardest of the ones that actually matter the least. So if you don't like what I wear, that's great, like I was telling you it's like And my let and Andy Priscilla, talk about that in art, a, they were like, the people that have suits are hired and paid by the guys that wear the t-shirt and the jeans. And he's talked about where he just works like a black T-shirt jeans. And like, you know, black Converse.

He'll get his Lambo with his wife and they go have dinner. But if you just saw them walking to the restaurant, you know, he's all tied up and all this stuff. You'd be like, who's this guy? We, he doesn't have enough money, even, you know, get a seat here, but yet when people know him, all of a sudden, it's like You see em. Hey blah, blah blah blah blah. So it's very much about having that quality over quantity. Right? 100%. Okay.

Well, shoot. I know you got a client called coming up. I don't take all your day here, any parting thoughts? What's coming in the pipeline for Humanity and he crazy physical or mental Endeavors coming? Yeah. I'm doing the SEAL Fit. Kokoro Crucible event and at the end of April, beginning of May. So that's 50 hours straight. There's no sleep. And what they're doing is, it's

not a, it's not hell. It's not how weak, you know, it by any stretch of the imagination but it's a simulation for civilians to have sort of that feel.

So you're being trained by actual seals in real time and it's everything from coal, you know, ice baths to water torture and the surf to doing Ruck, marches all night to carrying the boats log PT, you know, all and probably a million other things that I'm not even aware of, but that for me again, this four by four by forty eight was a good gut. Check to show me what I could work on. And I know that again, I leveled up from doing the four by four by forty eight with you. Just recently.

I know that I'll also level up tremendously because I learned about it from from Heather Perillo. The one that was on your show. She's amazing and being in a place after that I know is going to give me a lot of What I have found is that the higher that I Elevate myself the better quality clientele, I can attract the better. I can serve them. So for me, this is a great way not only to improve myself as a person but it improves my business makes me a better father a better husband all

those things. So that's the big thing that I have chambered right now. I'll be going to see Jocko in July and Washington is a thing called the council. And there's only 20 people invited to it. So you're going to be in the mountains horseback riding shooting guns. Manly things while learning about leadership wallet. Really truly interacting. And then as in July July and then there's the, my speaking is my speaking calendars just about full right now.

So after all those things, I'll be traveling a lot doing that and them just reaching more people on my, get you back on the podcast. Talk about so fit and your horse back riding adventures with jock amazing. Yeah, man, that of the begin. I mean, I've always, I've always respected appreciated. You brought the table from an intellectual standpoint from a mindset and growth mindset standpoint. I mean you just freaking good

dude, man. Like you're a good person you put off Good Vibes and you Empower people in ways, you don't even know. So, keep doing what you're doing and what people go to find out more about you. They can hit me up on Instagram, LinkedIn, Marcus really Sanderson and then they can go to my website, Marcus, really samsung.com. If you want to inquire about speaking, that's cool. If you want inquire about coaching, that's fine as well. The idea is I'm just trying to

Put out. I'm not on there, you know, three times a day like Gary Vee. But what I put out I try to make a quality over quantity, as always, and the goal is used to help people lean into adversity and understand that it's a gift because it helps you see where your weaknesses is for shoes, you to elevate to the level so that you can become the person that you want to as you were speaking to before, and it's coming either way. So, either you prepare for it

now, nothing breeds confidence. Like preparation. Hmm. So if you can prepare for adversity, now, again the moment. Amore kind of idea. It makes you feel more confident knowing that you can not that it's not going to hurt but knowing that you're strong enough to endure, whatever, adversity those of you. When I've always wanted to ask you about, never ask you this when when your parents named you marks for the Anderson. They like sit you down.

After you're old enough to comprehend what they were saying about, look, you're going to be this big mindset. Guys, some point. This is what your name means. This is who you're named after. Just prepare yourself a quarter. How'd that pan out? My grandfather is the one that named me. I was born on the same day that he was. So that was my, my father's gift to his father to name me. And I had no clue who Marcus Aurelius was. When I was 11. I went and bought his book meditations.

This is back before the internet. I'm 50 years old, guys, and I tried to read the book. And for those of you that haven't read meditations. It's a journal that Marcus Aurelius kept while he was on the front lines and the dramatic Wars. So it was basically him writing down things like, you know, is this what you so feared if it's in durable than endure it and the first part like heat, the first two pages. He's talking about from my father.

I learned this from my uncle. I learned this from this person. I learned this, it didn't really read well for an 11 year old and it uses a lot of the D, thou doth Uncle stuff. And I was like, this is way over my head. I don't even like this guy. What the hell am I named after him about? Because when they would tell me who he was as a kid? I don't know what an emperor is. They just said, he's like a king and Me. I was like, I don't feel like a king.

I actually went by Mark for most of my younger age, because even Marcus felt like it was too much gravity for that name, but through that stoicism it led me to taoism. Because when I went back to the next day, to get a different book by Marcus rules are, like that's the only book that he's gone. As I'm walking down the philosophy section. I see the daodejing faced out with a Chinese characters on it, which reminded me of the characters in my martial art school.

I opened that book up. And the first thing that I saw was it was its only 83 pages is 33 chapters right there just like little koans almost and the book when I open it up and said, if you continue to sharpen your blade, it will go blunt. And even at 11, I was like, okay, I get that, that makes sense. So, I was able to read that and that led me to better understand that became my gateway to understand stoicism later and Zen.

And what I've learned now is that these higher levels, all these things are teaching the same thing, right? Well, Your philosophy or religion, the great ones, teach certain things without any Dogma attached to them.

So I didn't really start using the name until after I was hurt, come sort of reborn and frankly Marcus Aurelius is words and Steven pressfield's words and a lot of these words were going through my mind when I was injured and it sounds like a bunch of Flowery bullshit when you're hurt and you can't walk. And it's like, it's easy for you to say, if it's in durable than endure it. But once I got to a place where I could find that, Septon, stop denying what was going on and saying? Okay.

So what now? What is this is my life and I assume that this is it. What am I going to do now? It's pretty cool, man. Well, you've certainly earned the name for sure. I mean, I'm sure Marcus ready to be looking up at you and be like, man. I want a name if this guy loved it, man. Love what you're doing. Keep doing what you're doing. Keep being alone out there, and I definitely feel listen to this follow along. Make sure you're following along

with his content for sure. And until we meet again man, always a pleasure. Absolutely brother. Always a pleasure. Thank you saying brother. See you.