Well, hello ladies and gents. Robert Sykes, Keto, savage.com. And today I've got my good friend Greg on the line again. I kind of mentioned earlier that we're traveling right now for these competitions. So I'm doing a couple solo episodes, a couple shorter episodes. Greg is here with me and I figured we'd jump on and do a quick episode on holiday eating because this is actually going live the Monday of Thanksgiving. We got Christmas coming up. After that, we got New Year's celebrations.
We got all kinds of holiday feasting in the pipeline, and with that, a lot of people are deviating from their target macros. They're totally going off the rails eating a bunch of foods they probably shouldn't, and there's just a lot of psychology around food consumption and the holidays. Greg is a coach, he's worked with clients for quite some time. He's heard excuses. He's heard reasons.
He's heard tactics, tricks and techniques to mitigate The Downfall from a nutritional standpoint during the holidays I have as well. So I figured we'd jump on and do a quick little episode talking about what seems to work well for people, what does not work at all, what are some different tiers or levels of how you can kind of hedge against these negative adverse effects of holiday eating and just how to approach that from a psychological and tangible
physical standpoint. Hopefully you'll get something out of this going into the holiday season. I certainly enjoyed the conversation. Always a pleasure chatting with Greg, so enjoy it. Learn something, take some notes, be mindful what you're eating and enjoy the holidays. Ladies and gents, you're live, Greg. How are you brother? I am so good, good, good. So real quick.
We are doing a little impromptu conversation on holiday eating because this podcast is going to go live on Monday before Thanksgiving, and I feel like we're getting into the season where everybody is deviating from their nutritional goals and oftentimes totally going off the rails because of the excuse of
the holidays. We got Thanksgiving in a couple days, we got Christmas coming up, we got New Year's, and then you get January 1st when everybody tries to get that back in. But you're a coach, I'm a coach. We've worked with clients. We've heard all the reasons, all the excuses, all the reckonings as to why people should deviate
during the holidays. So I kind of want to just peel the curtain back on what you've heard, what I've heard, what works, what doesn't work, and have people kind of set themselves up for success through these trying times. Sound good? Yeah. Right on. Yeah, we the the origination of this podcast idea was us actually just cruising around in the vehicle earlier today and we were talking about how as being
health and nutrition coaches. Sometimes our clients will reach out with some questions regarding how to navigate the holidays, how to stay on track. Maybe they sometimes convey the fact that the holidays can be a stressful point in trying to stay in a certain direction nutritionally. And whether they should deviate, whether they should have a cheat meal, whether they should try to stay on track, and just some of the sticking points that can be part of that whole process.
Yeah, I feel like a lot of people, I mean, we all inherently want to be healthy and we all inherently want to not deviate too too much. But I feel like people get peer pressure, so to speak, during the holidays because they get grandma's cooking there in the house and they feel like they have to have, they have to partake or else they're going to
hurt their feelings. So a lot of people are just trying to figure out how to navigate those waters, whether they should totally track everything or if they should not hurt Grandma's feelings. So I kind of want to just see, you know, I think everybody's going a little bit different. Like some people, like my family knows that I've been keto for 8 plus years. They know what to expect.
They don't think it's weird when I roll up in there with Tupperware, They just know that's what the expectation is. But a lot of people, that's not the case. Like, they're coming up having not seen their family for years and they don't know. They don't want to hurt their feelings. They just don't know. So yeah, man, you've had several clients now over the years. What seems to be the common denominator as to why people deviate in the first place? You know, it's a combination of
things. I think some of it is just maybe not having the appropriate food choices available to them. You know, if they go out to dinner, if they go to a Christmas party, if they go to a relative's house, if they're out of town, whatever the case may be, sometimes you don't really have control over the environment as much as you normally would at home. So there's that. There's that accessibility. Yeah, right. Loss of what you normally would eat or what you'd choose to eat.
So I think there's a little bit of pressure also, like you said from friends and family on, you know, Grandma's homestyle cooking or somebody brought like a homemade pumpkin pie. And you know, you just kind of feel like that little bit of social peer pressure to try it, enjoy it, be part of the family, don't be the Debbie Downer. You know, there's kind of like you don't want to be the sore thumb with the get together, but then you also feel guilty. You can feel guilty either
direction. You know if you do enjoy it, then you feel guilty with yourself. If you don't enjoy it, you may feel guilty to that particular family member or friend. So let's kind of parse that out. So let's talk about the accessibility at first. I feel like the, the component of not having options that are available to you is on you, like you should be self-sufficient. That's one thing that Crystal and I really try to do, especially with the prep and everything that we've put into
them. Like, we don't rely on anybody to feed us. Like we bring our food. And if we're going someplace where we can't cook food, then we look to see what the surrounding grocery stores entail. We look to see, you know, if we can get an Airbnb where we could go to a grocery store and cook food. If we're going to someplace house, we bring our own food. If we're going to a restaurant, we look at the menu in advance. I feel like that's a pretty poor
excuse at the end of the day. I mean, people can fast if they need to fast. I mean, you don't have to eat on a specific hour, but if you're going to be someplace for quite some time and you can't fast, then bring options that are in line with your nutritional goals or shop by a grocery store. Get what you need to pick up. I don't. I feel like the accessibility factor is such a poor excuse. I mean, I don't really have a whole lot of sympathy there.
OK. So I'll totally agree with you in that regard because I'm we're much alike with that with being so dialed in and in tune and. Planning ahead and doing all that kind of stuff. However, some people are not quite to that level totally. Totally.
So I can see both sides of it. If you if you're totally dialed in, for example, if you're in a competition prep or you have some really hardcore goals at hand and definitely need to step it up a notch, plan ahead, bring your own food options if you're going to really stress about it, because then you know what you're bringing. And if there's zero? If there's zero, anything else there that you are able to eat? You know for a fact you're at least able to eat what you
brought. So if you're if you've got the goals at hand, you can bring your own foods. You can shop ahead, you can peek at the menu, You can track what you need to track, You can stash some snacks in your pocket. Whatever you need to do to make the goals happen. So you you could use accessibility as an excuse or you can pre plan and. Not have it as an excuse.
And if you're not a competitor, not as dialed in, and you're just going to stay at grandma's, you know, she's probably got some eggs in the fridge or something like that. Like most people have something that can be made pretty keto. Even if it's not organic pasture raised creme de la creme eggs, she's probably got some eggs from Walmart, from Walmart that are going to be better than a lot of other options or some bacon or something like that. Sure.
And you you could maybe maybe a quick little phone call to grandma or your aunt or your uncle or whoever, wherever you're going, and just ask them, hey, is it cool if can I bring some eggs? Can I cook a little bit of something that agrees most with me? I'm not trying to be a party pooper or Debbie Downer, but I'm eating a certain way at this stage in my life and I'd really
appreciate the support. You know, there's there's some conversations that you can have preemptively so you don't have to feel weird on the spot trying to make different dietary choices than what everyone else is engorging in. Because it does turn into like the the holidays in the United States, at least. They are so surrounded around eating, enjoying, socializing. I guess you'd say overeating. Yeah. I mean you're you're going and you're just gathering around around food.
You're nibbling all day. It's just kind of, it's just kind of a traditional thing for a lot of families. I shouldn't say everybody, but for a lot of families, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. I feel people can take it to a bad level. I mean, at the end of the day, you're supposed to be there to spend time with the people that you love and you know cherish and you don't want the the food to distract from the
relationships. Like the relationship should be the focal point and the food should just be, you know, a secondary point that people can use to gather around. But you should never let the food distract from the actual camaraderie of the relationships you're with. So I feel like a lot of people do that to a very like, look at Thanksgiving for instance, People will gorge themselves on the food and then everybody goes takes a nap on the couch.
It's like you're not even communicating with these people. You're just in a food coma. And when it comes to, like, the psychology of food, like not one of the, you know, make somebody feel bad because they've put a lot of work, sweat and tears into preparing this dish traditionally that has a bunch of carbohydrates in it. You know, I totally get that because I've struggled with that with certain members of my
family. You know, we've got people in the family that pride themselves over certain food items. And I won't partake in those. And they were a little bitter about that in the beginning. But at the end of the day, you know, my relationship with them shouldn't be founded on me eating that food they prepared. And if that's the case, that's not a healthy relationship to begin with. So I don't ever try to make that the focal point. But that doesn't mean you have to be standoffish or
self-righteous. Like, I don't like it when people are following a ketogenic lifestyle and they're like playing this holier than thou card. And hey, look at me, I've got my goals. You don't. I'm better than you. You know, you certainly don't want to do that. Just simply be self-sufficient in the food you're consuming, wherever you're at, and when it comes to these holidays and these you know one off events. If you're only going to deviate once, it's not going to be the end of the world.
Like that's not going to disrupt you depending on what your goals are to to much extent at all. But at the same time, if it's not really in line with your goals, and the relationships should be the focal point of those goals, then why would you deviate in the 1st place? Unless you personally truly want to, in which case you should be at peace with it and you should be OK to just embrace the outcome of that deviation. But you shouldn't do it for other people's sake necessarily,
I don't think. Yeah, I totally agree. So I think that kind of goes back to the point where everyone's a little bit different. Everyone's situation and actual current spot on their own personal journey is going to be different from everybody else. So maybe you have to have a little internal conversation with yourself and say. All right, listen up, Greg.
Are you going to deviate from being 100% ketogenic for Thanksgiving dinner or Christmas dinner or whatever the meal might be and then hop right back on track after that? Are you going to be OK with that? And if you're going to be OK with that and not feel guilty and not turn it into a downward spiral of binge eating for a week, then go ahead. You know if if that's OK, you have to understand that that might set you back a little bit from where you're at as far as your goals go.
If you're like in a competition prep or you have a hard, hard set of goals on the calendar, maybe that isn't what you want to do. But if you have that conversation with yourself and you think it through, then you'll at least be at peace with the choice that you make. And you can make that choice in advance. So you know, for some people, sometimes, myself included, that might include being around certain trigger foods. And for a lot of people, this is a a a sticking point and a
tough. Thing to overcome is maybe you're around too much candy, too much sugar, too much sugary junk food that you know personally. If you have one piece planning on having one piece, it's going to turn into two pieces, into three and four and five, and then you're just binge eating and then you have an issue the next morning. You have an issue the next day and it turns into a downward roller coaster.
Yeah. Either way, you should practice mindful consumption, like you should not find yourself in any situation uncontrollably consuming whatever the food is. And that goes for keto foods as well. You want to be able to approach them with a sense of consciousness about you and control self-control when it comes to levels of deviation. Let's kind of create a hierarchy or pyramid so to speak of, you know, one into the spectrum to
the other. So the top of the pyramid so to speak would be if you are in a competition prep and you have a show looming and you are getting everything dialed into the utmost, the last thing you'd want to do is derail on a bunch of foods that are not going to be in line with that fluctuations in electrolytes etcetera etcetera. So in that situation it would make sense to bring all your own food, have everything prepped and ready to go, weighed out, measured, managed and not deviate.
That's what I do when I'm in a prep. If I'm not in a prep and I'm just trying to go through the day-to-day lifestyle, then what I would likely do is still stick to everything from a ketogenic standpoint but likely still track those macros or yeah, we'll just go through. So sticking to foods that are Stillwell within the ketogenic realm but are still tracked but just outside of your normal foods, I think that probably the next thing down in the tier system when you say. Yeah, for sure.
That's that's kind of where I feel like I am at personally right now. I'm I'm still tracking what I'm consuming with the intention of hitting certain macro nutrient goals. But I've got a little bit more leniency than I would had I be or would I be on a competition prep. And I think that is totally
healthy. That's what I intend to do after my reverse diet is done, because that makes the whole process that much more sustainable and it makes the next time I go into a competition prep that much more enjoyable because that's not what I'm doing 365 every day of the year. Like I'm I'm kind of having a yin and Yang so to speak there with my relationship with food and what I'm consuming. So I think that is a totally viable outlet.
If people want to incorporate different foods, different flavors, but still be in line with their target macros, that's not likely going to cause much fluctuation. How their body responds in the following days or how they feel in the following days, maybe slightly because of, you know, that being a different type of food that their body is not accustomed to, but it's not really going to cause a massive shift because the macros are still in target.
The next tier down I would say is sticking to ketogenic foods, but not really paying much mine to the macronutrient load or the calorie count. Just simply eating ketogenic foods. Which is also totally fine, depending on where you're at and where your goals are for sure. But it's going to be much less, much more fluctuation than if you were actually tracking your intake obviously. And you may go over, you may go over your macro nutrient goals
with that mindset. But if you're OK with that and you're comfortable with that and you know that the very next day you can hop right back in and hear your goals as intended. And so be it mean that's if you set aside one meal here, one meal there where you go over but you're still maintaining your ketogenic ratios then that's perfect. I mean that's that's doable for a lot of people. And if you're doing that, you could also kind of ratchet down on a couple different variables as well.
So you could say, OK, I'm not going to track my intake at all. I'm not going to be tracking my macros. That's fine. But I'm going to just simply eat a carnivore style, you know, 'cause if you're doing it and you're having a whole bunch of greens that you don't normally have, a whole bunch of sauces that you don't normally have, a whole bunch of hors, d'oeuvres that you don't normally have, that can add up and be really tricky really quick.
But if you say, hey, look, I'm not going to track anything, but I'm just going to eat meat and kind of do a carnivore approach for the day, that's certainly going to hedge your bets in your favor for not responding poorly the next day as well. Exactly. And you're going to feel better physically, mentally, emotionally the next morning. Because you're going to know you didn't go completely off the rails and consume foods that your body isn't used to.
Plus, it's not going to really have like a GI impact so adversely as if you were to just over consume foods that aren't normally on your day-to-day diet. Yeah, because I mean you might have like a ketogenic cheesecake or something for Thanksgiving prepped and ready to go.
And if you are eating that which is totally ketogenic, but if you're eating the whole thing because you're just saying, hey, I'm sticking the keto of foods, but I'm not really moderating the intake like that can add up and and cause quite a big of an issue as well from ATI standpoint. So you kind of want to moderate it to some extent.
If you're going to be having more variety like you have to kind of pull those levers like more variety likely is going to require a little bit more moderation. Whereas if you're not tracking anything and you say, hey I'm going strict carnivore with it, but I'm not tracking anything, you probably don't have to worry as much about moderate the total intake. Yep, totally agree. And then the rung down from that I would say is, you know, screw it. I'm just going to eat whatever.
All out craziness. Yeah, all out craziness. Not paying any money to macros, caloric intake goals, types of foods, or anything of that nature. I'm just going to eat what is ever in front of me. That's probably not going to bode well for you. Most certainly going to retain some fluid the next day.
Next few days you're going to see an increase in the scale, probably going to have some pretty significant GI distress the following days because those are foods you're not accustomed to and you're probably going to beat yourself up mentally, which is going to be the biggest issue I would think. You're going to, you're going to, most people, I should say, are going to feel some sort of guilt the next morning and they're going to feel like they need to go burn it off or undo
it at the gym. And that's really, no, that's really the mentality you want to try to avoid. So you definitely don't want to. Try to undo it, or try to fast, or try to just go on some cleanse or detox or some crazy wacky unnecessary process. So. But I guess if that's what you choose to do, you have to be mentally OK with the repercussions that you're expecting to go through the next day. And not let it turn into a fiasco for several days.
Sure, you can go to the gym. You can knock out an amazing workout. You're probably going to actually have a pretty decent workout if you if you took in a surplus of calories. But you might also go through some some discomfort as far as like maybe even keto flu type symptoms because you're more than likely going to be get get knocked out of ketosis and you're going to have to transition back into that by depleting everything that you
consumed. And you may just have some some ill feelings the next day or two. Yeah, I definitely think those that go off the rails have some sort of guilt associated with what they consumed and then try to burn it off for Justified the following days is not a healthy relationship at all. I mean, that's a form of disorder eating for sure, and I'm guilty of it.
I've done it myself in the past. But if you look at it, you know, strictly from a physiological standpoint, if you go off the rails totally and completely, you're going to be consuming several 1000 calories. You know, no telling how many 100 grams carbohydrates. You're not going to burn that off in one super solid workout session.
Like you look at how many estimated calories you burn on the Stairmaster or the treadmill or weight training, it's like a few 100, whereas you probably just consumed a few thousand. So it's not really going to make a massive difference to that guard in that regard. Yeah, you will deplete the glycogen and it will certainly help, but you don't want to train because of that guilt associated with going off the rails. Right, right.
So yeah, I would definitely not recommend or advocate for that. I mean, I think at the end of the day, a lot of disorder eating tendencies stem simply from the guilt that is associated with doing something that you felt you shouldn't have. So at the end of the day, I think you're simply being mindful of what you're doing and embracing it fully before you do it is key. Like that kind of just goes back to the mindful consumption, like you don't want to be caught in a feeding frenzy.
And whatever you do consume, you have to be at peace with it afterwards. So going into the consumption is key. I think coming out of it is key because if you spiral downward out of control for the next several days, then that's what's going to cause the utmost damage. Long term for sure, For sure.
Actually, while we were talking just now, I reminded me of a of a of a short news documentary that I saw many, many years ago, and it asked a bunch of people in the same family, in the same household what they guesstimated their caloric intake would be during Thanksgiving. And this included, like the family getting together, hanging out around a table of Hors d'oeuvres, preparing a meal, sitting down, enjoying that meal maybe a little after dinner, drinks or after dinner, desserts
or whatever. And everybody in the family wrote down however many thousands of calories they assumed they were going to consume that day. And they had people actually in the house with them, writing down and journaling everything that these people were actually eating throughout the day. And it was completely mind
blowing. Like they had no idea they were eating triple or even quadruple the amount of calories that they thought they were consuming because they're just mindlessly walking around throughout the house. They're standing across the Hors d'oeuvres table from one another, having conversations, and there's continuous continuously putting things in their mouths. They're making drinks. They're having desserts. They're having snacks. They're eating after dinner.
They're sitting on the couch watching football, having a bowl of pretzels. They're doing all these things that they don't necessarily even realize they're doing because they're conversing with family and friends, and they're just mindlessly consuming all the food items that are there and in front of them. And it was really, really crazy.
Like now that you now that you're more mindful in the way that you eat and the way that you look at foods, you catch yourself, maybe just starting to put something in your mouth or reaching for something because it's there. Not necessarily because you're hungry, but because it's there and in front of you, accessible. And day-to-day living doesn't necessarily have all that stuff in front of you.
So don't be tempted just because there's a plate full of food in front of you, unless you totally understand that there's going to be some calories involved there that maybe don't need to be. Yeah. And on that note, a lot of people that I've worked with, a lot of my current clients, they're going into Thanksgiving and they are going to be a little bit more LAX with the types of foods they're consuming, all ketogenic, but they're not going to track that day. But I recommend to them, hey,
that's fine. One thing you could consider doing is simply restrict yourself to a specific eating window, like the actual Thanksgiving meal, as opposed to. All throughout the day.
And it's snacking because that is where a lot of those calories add up. So if people are going to be a little bit more relaxed with the types of foods they're consuming, not track their caloric intake, etcetera, but then only do so within a confined window of the actual Thanksgiving meal, that's certainly going to hedge their bets in their favor for not going totally off the rails as well. Because you're absolutely right.
Like if you're waking up having mimosas in the morning and then you're watching football and snacking on chips and dip throughout the day. Or pork rinds or whatever. And then you have the meal, then you have the dessert, then you have the after meal dessert, and then you have the leftovers the next day. Like the massive feeding window really contributes to that excessive overloading calories too. Yeah, for sure. It's it's eye opening. But I didn't know.
I mean that that's pretty interesting that people preemptively journal what they thought they were going to consume, which I'm assuming is probably much higher than they. Typically consume anyways, but it was still way under shy of what their true consumption was. Yeah, I think they, they actually rounded up quite a bit because they knew they were going to get together, they were going to enjoy some food and they were just blowing out of the water.
They had no idea it was, you know, seven 8000 calories for just, you know, hanging out and enjoying family time. Yeah, I mean it is crazy how many calories are in some of these foods as well, like some of these really carb heavy, sugar, heavy, fat laden foods. I mean the the calories add up quick and that's what Thanksgiving meals typically consist of. So I mean a slice of pumpkin pie, I mean that can add up really.
Pecan pie especially. I mean, you look at what the caloric lead of pecan pie with like a nut butter in it is going to be, and it's not going to be a small calorie meal. Well, and you know, you're probably going back for another little small sliver of a slice, Yeah, a small sliver of a slice, yeah. And the drinks you pointed out, like alcohol consumption to those calories, add up.
You know, everything adds up. So like, just simply being mindful of it, recognizing it and focusing on the people and the moments. I think that's the main thing. Like, I don't want the food to distract from people's presence at Thanksgiving, especially I mean Thanksgiving, Christmas, these holidays when people are getting together, oftentimes having not seen each other in over a year, it's like the last thing you want to do is distract from that relationship, that
bond, because you're. Mindlessly focusing on a bag of chips and dip in the corner like that's not what you want to be doing. Yep, for sure. And you know, not to mention like going into the holiday season means all these Christmas get togethers or holiday get togethers, work parties, potlucks, family get togethers, friends giving all these different things and events. And a lot of people just throw their goals out the window and they say, I'm going to start January 1st, I'm going to jump
back on the bandwagon. I'm going to dial in with some nutritional goals, some health and fitness goals, maybe I'm going to join the gym and then they're just going to give up now until January 1st so that they can use that as an excuse to go off the rails and not feel guilty about it. But in all reality, if you were to just be a little bit more mindful through these next 5-6 weeks until January 1st, you'd be that much further into your goals than just throwing it all
to the wind. Yeah. And I mean, most of the statistics that talk about these New Year's resolutionaries from a health and fitness standpoint, like they've all dropped off by mid February. I think it's sad. Yeah. I mean, they did a lot of studies on that. And after like 3-4 weeks, I think the amount of people that actually stay on their New Year's resolutions, health and fitness related, just drops exponentially fast.
Yeah. And that's too bad, because you know, it doesn't have to be that way. If there's a massive gap in your reality and your wishes, the likelihood of you adhering to any form or fashion of what you are trying and striving to accomplish is going to be, you
know, just not likely to happen. So, like, if you're off the rails throughout the holidays, it's in stark contrast to what your goals are on January 1st, the likelihood that you're going to be able to adhere to those habits required on January 1st. Is is just not going to, not going to be there. So like as you said, if you can kind of, you know, maybe be a little more flexible during the holidays but not totally go off
the rails. If you do that, then your likelihood of being able to stick to a sustainable approach. When the New Year's rows around, you're not going to have as much guilt. So it's not likely going to be as extreme of a goal or have it and you can be able to kind of coast into it as opposed to having this switch that you flip that most people are not going to be able to adhere to so.
Yeah, I think that's key, man. I think that's why a lot of people fail with their New Year's resolutions, if their health and fitness related, because they're not doing something for so long, you know, they're eating unhealthy, eating unhealthy, eating unhealthy, not working out, not working out. And then January 1st comes and they want to completely 100% overhaul their entire diet, start going to the gym every single day. And there's that stark change.
It's just like night and day, black and white. They're going from some some crazy starting point to something that's totally unnatural that they've never tried before, and they expected to stick right away and have progress that's trackable and measurable so quickly when if people were just to set smaller goals, make smaller changes, and evolve over time, they would be much more likely to stick. Yeah, 100%. And if you do mess up and you have one cookie extra or whatever.
That doesn't give you the right or the reason to eat the whole bag of extra cookies. You know, like 1 slight mishap misstep is not going to be your total demise. Yeah, it's OK. I mean, we all we all screw up if you have, if you have one cookie, that's cool. Just be grateful you didn't have two or you didn't have three.
If you're used to having five Donuts every morning, maybe tomorrow you have four Donuts. Maybe the next day you have two Donuts. You know, you don't have to completely remove and be so, so critical on yourself. One of my favorite quotes I think says something along the lines of that'd be like getting a flat tire and just saying screw it and slashing your other three tires. No, you just fix the one tire and you move on.
Not a big deal. So Yep, Well, out of Curious Man, what are your plans for Thanksgiving? What you got going on? I'm not quite sure yet. I think I'm going to get together with some family, maybe make a Turkey. My mom knows that I've been ketogenic for a number of years and she is the most awesome, most supporting person. So she usually makes ketogenic keto friendly foods, meals, salads, desserts, everything that she whips up. She makes these awesome Parmesan. They're like the Red Lobster
biscuits. Nice. And they are. They're like 1g of carb per biscuit. Send me that recipe made out of like, almond flour. Parmesan cheese in there. So good. So you smear a bunch of butter on those and awesome. And the cool thing is you've been keto for as long as you have. Your family now accepts and embrace it isn't supportive. And they're supportive of it. Oh yeah, for sure.
And that happens over time. So, like, the first couple years may be a little rough, but if you just stick to your guns and keep at it, then people like warm up to that fact that what's cooler is not only do they warm up to it for you personally, but they start recognizing that you're healthier, you're more vibrant, you're more present, you're better, you know, ambassador for what it is you're doing. And they start asking kind of self-interest because they want
to emulate it absolutely. So it becomes a nice Segway there. Yeah. She anytime I'm over, she's like, oh, I bought some pork rinds here for you. You know she's got a food scale there that I like to use when I go over there. So she, you know, get this food to scale up because I know I like to measure everything. Like you said though, they they it'll be kind of there's a whole other topic I bet that we could sit down and chat about for a while.
It's like the people who seem to have unnecessary sticking points with what you're doing, but it doesn't necessarily affect them. So they you're going to receive all kinds of criticism, all kinds of judgment. What are you doing? You're going to die. You're going to have a heart attack. You're getting all this garbage or this cholesterol that they assume is garbage. But then after a while, they start seeing your changes and they start seeing how you're being affected by that.
Now they're asking for help themselves. Yeah. So, but yeah, that's a totally different conversation that that's a rabbit hole right there. That's good. Then then, man, I'm excited for you, Excited for Thanksgiving. Excited for you. Spend time with your family. I'm stoked as well. We're going to go down to the farm. We're actually flying there after this competition and we Thanksgivings, our big family reunion for the for our family like that.
We got it at the family farm and it's like the one time we all get together, there's going to be a lot of great food, a lot of great meat. I'm going to be tracking my intake the whole time, though. I'll probably, you know, have different foods on that day, but it's all going to be foods that I've tracked and accounted for because I'm coming into this reverse that the first week of the reverse that actually, which
is kind of cool. But yeah, I'm just excited to spend time with family and just be present with them and totally soak up that moment, man. But it's going to be, it's going to be good. Family farm Thanksgiving is the way to go. Awesome. I'm stoked. Well, Greg, this is the short podcast. We did one a few weeks back at my last show. We're just kind of running a gun and right now on the podcast. But little quick episodes like this I think are valuable. At the end of the day.
I don't think we said anything here that people inherently didn't know, but I think hearing it. Again, especially going into the week of Thanksgiving and the holidays looming is beneficial cause a lot of people know these things but they just like let themselves go. So just simply reiterating it, having the back of the mind is
good. So appreciate y'all for listening, appreciate you for jumping on and recording with me Greg. For me, that does not know where they go to find out more about you. Instagram's the best bet. Keto, Greg. 88 Zero. Keto Greg 88 Zero Awesome. I will link at that. The show notes make it easy for people to find you. And have a great Thanksgiving, bro. Hey, you too. Thanks man. Take care, bud, OK?