What's going on? Ladies and gents, Robert Sykes? Keto, Savage not comment today. Haven't got special guest, repeat guests. Jinpa Taro, and Greg Mueller. They're both client are both clients of mine. I've coached them both through a competition prep. They both earned their Pro card, this past year and there they were amazing clients. I've thoroughly enjoyed working with them. I had both them on the podcast individually. Now, they're both deeper State
keto coaches. So I wanted to bring them both on at the same time to kind of just talk about their coaching philosophy. What they're excited about doing from a coaching perspective, talk about their prep a little bits for your that hadn't heard their first episode and just kind of introduce them a little bit more from the perspective of being a deeper State keto coach. So it was a little unwieldy.
This is the first time I've ever done a podcast with three people of which were all remotely dialing in. So, a little goes, a couple lag periods there, but hopefully it's not too distracting from the audio quality. But again, I thoroughly enjoyed the conversation. I've got utmost respect for both Jenn and Gregg. I've got no doubt whatsoever that they were going to be amazing coaches, because they're in it for the right reasons. They know their stuff and they're just good people.
So, without further Ado, sit back, relax, and enjoy the podcast conversation with gin and Greg and we are live with. We got gin and Greg on the line. How y'all doing today? Great. Thanks. Doing well. Is this is the first time for the listeners that I've done a podcast with two other guests, all remotely. So hopefully there's not any Crazy Legs. Umm, issues, but I'm excited to have this conversation because we've had each of them on individually and now they're
both deeper State keto. Coaches if I be kind of cool if we just chit chat about our coaching philosophy a little bit, we can also talk about y'all's, you know, Journey, we talked about that on the individual podcasts. I did with y'all but bringing it to the Able from a coaching
perspective. I think adds a lot of perspective and value for people that are thinking about jumping into online coaching one-on-one coaching, going the extra mile and hiring a coach, and just kind of seeing how coaches think would be really advantageous. Because there's a lot of coaches out there, especially in the keto space. Now, they're like a diamond dozen.
It's a really kind of given you on opportunity, as coaches to just say what your philosophy and overall Outlook and desire for coaching to begin with would be a worthwhile conversation. I think so. Ladies first. Jin you, you're the lucky one here. Give like a freebie. That didn't hear that podcast that you, and I did give the listeners a little intro into
you. Okay, so I've been following a ketogenic lifestyle for about three years now, and it's just gradually progressed based on the fact that I feel amazing. Like, I just feel like this lifestyle really works for me just the diet itself. And then, of course, incorporating exercise into it. Made it that much better than decided to take that to the stage, which was an incredible experience of course, and now even gone so far. As, you know, my family is Is living this lifestyle.
So it's just been an evolutionary process and I know how great it's been for me and my family that I just really want to help others because I know my journey was not easy for me to do. Thank goodness. I found you and your podcast which really really helped and then moved on to have you. And even one of your other coaches helped me along my journey and just seeing the
value that that broad. Ought to me, I would love to be able to, take my experiences, my knowledge that I've gained, and help other people along their Journey live, their best lives, feel their best. Not that everybody needs to take it to a stage of course, but I just think that there's there, there's a lot of value in the lifestyle and I'd love to just help others with it. Well, I didn't realize how far you'd come and your transformation that when I built
that you're coaching page. And you sent me those. Four. And after pictures, like, I didn't realize that you had ever, you know, were carrying that much weight and to where you are now is just like, I didn't know that because when you and I started working together, we've been working on that for quite some time. But you were already athletic at that point. So for you to go from, you know, where you were at your heaviest and least healthy to where you are.
Now looking like you do on stage and went pro cards, like it's pretty, pretty inspirational for sure. It's pretty crazy. I've been battling weight, basically, all of my life and up and down, and I lose it, and then a gained it all back and some and then I'd lose it and I gained it all back and some, and it wasn't until I found this lifestyle that I found something, a so sustainable, be so healthy and see that really resolved? My Everlasting battle with the with weight and with health.
So yeah, lots of that background to that. I can certainly help share with others if I get an opportunity for sure. Yeah, I definitely talk about the sustainability of factor that feel like we all have that in common. But before we do Greg, can you give us a little little intro into you and your life?
Yeah, you bet. I am sure a lot of the similarities with Jen as far as some of the things that she's gone through and kind of encountered and evolved and make some big lifestyle changes and found it very sustainable myself looking away back kind of into my past. I was a kind of overweight. I was definitely consuming the standard American diet, a lot of garbage. A lot of processes to sugars sugary drinks, just you know, Typically kind of what you see, the average person in our
country consuming these days. I was a heavy smoker. I smoked for ten plus years of pack or plus a day. I drank pretty frequently is just just not anything like, I am. Today. I've come a long ways. I started dabbling in a lower carbohydrate, type of nutrition plan and approach and made some adjustments here. And there are a lot of self-experimentation over the years and kind of you. Evolved naturally into digging into Quito.
So I officially been on a ketogenic Journey or ketogenic lifestyle for six or so plus years. I have tried targeted, keto cyclical, keto strict, keto, dirty keto, all these little slang spin-offs for Quito and back before, I was full-blown ketogenic. I had done a few bodybuilding, men's physique, competitions and done. Well, had a good time and shortly after that is when my natural transition into keto
took place. And so, I always had the high hopes of jumping on stage again with the ketogenic competition prep and maintaining a ketogenic intake and that's where we kind of got joined up together and you ran me through your standard ketogenic prep, and it was absolutely mind-bogglingly easier. I was able to eat all the same food. I don't think we adjusted any of my food choices. One bit. Looking back on the non ketogenic approach.
It was like night and day, you know, I was doing the bro, bro. Science kind of competition, prep back then and the rice, the boiled chicken, the whatever else. So long story short. I've been very successful at Keno. It's been very sustainable. I've noticed, countless physical mental, emotional improvements throughout every aspect of my life.
And so, it's naturally, enjoy sharing that success and some tips and tricks and everything with people who are looking to embark on a ketogenic Journey. But nowadays, there's so much garbage, littering our store shelves, and our media and our TV, and it's absolutely so confusing for anybody who hears the word, keto reads, the ketogenic articles or sees, all these products on store shelves, that are sick.
That's a R Quito. And really, they're just full of, you know, crap ingredients and not really keto friendly. So, here we are. Today, I decided I wanted to jump on board officially as a ketogenic coach and give some people the opportunity to flip their life around and make the best of it. I love it. I love it. So you can keep them for six years. Now. How long did you say? You've been keto for Jen? It's been a little over three years now.
Well over three years. It's interesting because I've been doing it for I guess about seven years now. Crystal has been doing it for about six and I've seen like this evolution of the ketogenic diet throughout the media and you know what the different dining circles talk about everything and it's weird because I feel like, you know, I think it's probably spiked and reach its peak in probably 2018. That's when all the Google Trends were saying.
It was the highest I believe and you're seeing a lot. People in the keto space now that, you know, really made a lot of momentum in the keto space, totally jumping ship and doing all these other things and it's not the say that that's
wrong. Like, you know, I encourage people to find their own way and path in life, but utilize people that were hardcore devout keto, and now they're doing, you know, flexible dieting or metabolic flexibility or more of a, you know, Paleo Approach or just a bunch of different approaches that are not really ketogenic by definition.
And I'm curious. I mean, I know why I'm staying keto, but I'm curious as to why why y'all think that is first of all, and then with that known why y'all wanted a double down on doing pretty much a ketogenic approach from a coaching standpoint. I guess we'll start with Jen again. We'll just go. Keep going. Ladies first eggs. No, it's been. The idea for me at the start was how can I eliminate an entire food group? How can I eliminate carbohydrates?
And it, I always had in the back of my mind. I would at some point once I got to a healthy place. I would reintroduce them, but it just doesn't make me feel good to do. So like especially as I'm reversing. Dieting out of the competition prep. I am just noticing the bloating. The abdominal pain be like my body is just not super happy with carbohydrates. I feel amazing. I feel better without them than I do with them. So I see no need to go back. Yeah.
Go back to adding carbohydrates into my life. And then I look at my friends. So, if I come to the coaching aspect of it, and the reason I really want to pay it forward is because I on a daily have conversations with people just natural conversations where they're expressing concern with their gut, with their hormones, with their sleep, their energy. And I'm just all of these things. I really think that I could help you with with a ketogenic diet.
Like there's just so many benefits that I've seen and I think can help other people. So I really feel like it's my time now to sort of pay it forward and and help others feel as Good as I do. Yeah, totally respect that. And Greg, you'd you competed with the traditional, bro, dine, and you've competed with Quito and you've done all the different subsets of Quito, the targeted, the cyclical, the
dirty key do this trick. He do, I would assume that your calories are probably pretty similar between the bro-down approach in your prep and the key to approaching your prep. Yet. You felt differently throughout those two different Journeys. So what why do you stay key demand? Because you've kind of experiment with it at all? Is well. Yeah, I actually like Jen said she kind of did a little trial and error with reintroducing carbohydrates after being keto
for so long. And I did the same thing. I thought. Yeah, I don't you know, I'm going to just going to see if I'm really missing out on something that I'm kind of had forgotten about by being ketogenic for so long and I tell you what, every time I reintroduce, something that's pretty heavy in carbohydrates, or sugar or anything like that. It is it throws me off for At least a couple of days and that's obviously it's booting you out of ketosis, but also all the symptoms.
And, you know, your gut feels terrible. You get headaches. You don't have any energy or lethargic you're on this. Crazy blood sugar roller coaster, you want to crash, you want a binge. It's just give out for me and also throws me into a little bit of elevated, depression and anxiety. So as soon as I can, I hop Right back into the ketogenic bandwagon. And as soon as I feel that my body is got that switched back into ketosis.
It's like night and day. So I have played with the targeted keto meaning that you usually what you do is your surround, your your carbohydrate intake around your activity. So maybe you beef up a little bit of carbon take prior to a gym session and, or after a gym session, and I've also done the cyclical. Where are you baby? Do your carbohydrate is structured into a, what you consider a refeed or a cheat meal?
I guess if you want to be sloppy with it, but those also seem to not really allow the amazingness of Quito to shine through as bright as if you were strict straightforward. He do. So, that's where I'm at. Yep. It's interesting because I don't think I've ever deviated since I've been strict. He do. And it's not the same that I haven't been curious as to what I would do.
Like in a lot of people have asked me like, you ought to just see if your body responds differently with carbohydrates, but I've worked with so many clients over the years that have been super strict, you know, and like totally transformed their health and their composition and then they'll have these same questions. So they'll do it. And they'll come to me, you know, day or two afterwards and they'll just tell me how miserable they feel.
So for me, it's like that kind of spoils me away from even trying it because it's like, if I'm getting all these clients telling me this is just not worth it. It kind of, you know, dissolve my intention or desires to even try it. And I don't feel like I miss anything, you know, like I don't feel like my performance is hindered and my recovery is hindered. My hormones are all healthy and my mental Clarity is consistent.
So it's like, you know, the whole adage of, you know, if it's not broke, don't fix it, couldn't bring more true than it. Does. I feel like if you've got a well-formulated ketogenic diet humming along and that's not to say that everybody needs to be doing keto. But I mean, there's a lot of people that are doing pretty crappy, versions of kids are doing like a dirty Quito and they're probably missing a bunch of micronutrients and they may see some benefit.
Or maybe they're not eating enough calories. They'll introduce some carbs and that's going to increase their overall caloric intake and will see a benefit from just simply eating at a maintenance or Surplus. But for the people that are following our well, well formulated ketogenic diet, and they're getting the right amount of fats proteins micronutrients. I honestly just don't see any
benefit to the carbohydrates. Yeah, I just wanted to clarify here that when I'm saying I'm reintroducing carbohydrates. Like I'm talking about vegetables and low carbohydrate like celery and cauliflower and cucumber. Even care. I get scared on occasion, but like my knees, as I walk up the stairs, I feel like an elderly woman right now and I can hear my knees crying. And I so I'm trying to think of other examples where I'm really know I've noticed. Difference.
And I just think that living more of the even carnivore. Like that's where I think my head's and going next is living more of a carnivore lifestyle, then, certainly than adding any more carbohydrates into my diet. Yeah. It's just weird minute that this like this, this idea that you have to have carbohydrates from a performance, standpoint has gained so much momentum over the years.
Like that's just what people assume you have to have free energy in order to fill out glycogen reserves and have full muscles on stage two. Be able to do in any type of endurance, work yet. There's just athletes after athletes after athletes illustrating that. That's not the case with Endurance, Sports, like, Zach bitter. For instance. Mike, McKnight. He just ran. I think you just broke some record for running all with, with fasting. He did the whole thing fast.
And, you know, we've all learned our Pro cards with a strict ketogenic approach through the entire show prep and peak week. There was no carb refeed there to fill out for the show. We avoided all that, and you just see this time and time again, so, For me, it's like, I'm not trying to say that. Everybody should be doing a ketogenic diet by any means, but I think what is most sustainable should be, you know, optimized.
And I feel like for a lot of people they just don't do well with carbohydrates, and that may be a psychological issue that may be an emotional tie to carbohydrates that maybe some digestive issue that comes from the carbohydrates. But for those people to think that they can't excel in life unless they have carbohydrates. I feel like it is a deliberate liberating to know that they can.
And even surpass what they could have previously without them entirely and I feel like that that's empowering. But I don't know, maybe I'm just absolutely, I think we're on the same page on that one though because could not agree more, you not agree more. I'm shocked and I've you know, you talked to a lot of people I've not competed any other way. I know no other way than the ketogenic way.
But just in speaking to other people, it's kind of cool to learn the differences and to see that you know, in a show you get there. And even though I haven't put a carbohydrate in my body and years I was able. To get myself to a point where I was able to earn a pro card. Yeah, and I mean, y'all, both look freaking amazing on stay is like, I've seen I've seen Greg's pictures from when he was doing his prep back in the day with carbohydrates.
And like you said, you haven't done the show before this, but it's like, I see a lot of competitors. I see their professional stage shots. I see him on stage and there wasn't anything that you all brought the table. That I feel could have been improved with carbohydrates. If you're not missing anything, if it's more sustainable for you, if your hormones are in better, check then, Then I don't see any need like so many people, they live. This moderation approach life.
And for some people that's great. And I mean, that worked for them. But like, if you are genuinely excited about optimizing things around a diet that is just better in tune with what your body responds. Well to then that to me should be more exciting and more liberating more empowering than that temporary high you get from incorporating. The increased variety of having carbohydrates like that. The meat is not a worthwhile trade-off.
I totally agree. Yeah, and it's not like, I mean, I mean, people think that we just eat bacon and eggs all day long and that's not the case either. I mean, you know, you're in Canada gin, so I don't really get it. Enjoy a meal with you too often. But but Greg, when you flew down here, I mean after your show, I mean we were eating pretty freaking good man. Those steaks were like two inches thick and we had some Glenfiddich gots to wash them down.
We had some stuffed mushrooms, some stuffed jalapeno. Poppers and life is good. Yeah, we even went out for Mexican. Remember we brought a couple bags of pork rinds in there and they were so kind as to build this insane heaping plate of nachos, for each of us on the pork, rinds that we brought in there instead of using chips and they were awesome. Yeah, I think it just takes it
takes a little bit of effort. Like, I think, you know, you can, you can go to any restaurant, any, any dining experience and make it ketogenic, make it within your, your goals from a nutritional standpoint.
It just takes a little bit more effort than just Simply looking at picking anything from the menu, but I feel like that app that little bit extra effort is totally worth its while and if you're going to feel better, if you're going to perform better, then you might as well just put forth that little extra effort. Absolutely, and I might even argue that it's easier for me to die. Note any restaurant. I want to living ketogenic lifestyle?
As I was, if I was on one of my other diets in my previous life, right? I can make anything work at any restaurant. Any time any place and my daughter and I were just talking about that, you know earlier today and how grateful she is at even 13 years old doing. Following this lifestyle and how easy it is for her to eat at restaurants to what is that? Like, because you've got how many kids now to write mu 2. Yeah, and they're both doing pretty well, keto or just her pretty well, key.
Do they still eat yogurt? And they still do eat fruit, but we've cut out all sugars, like other unnatural sugars and potatoes, chips crackers, all that kind of stuff. So it can be challenging for them when they go to friends houses for sleepovers or birthday parties and things. But, you know, the world we live in buying them some sort of an option like the protein chips, even a low-carb, so they just bring their own. But again, like it's easy to
easy to make it work. I'm curious because with so like there's all these different dining circles and there's these beliefs, you know, some people say it's all calories. Some people say it's a whore. Bones, when it when it comes to the Obesity epidemic that we find ourselves in. But I feel like children are a unique opportunity to see how their their behavior, their mood.
All these things are impacted. Just from the foods are consuming because, like, you know, they're they're not, there are definitely a lot of obese children out there these days. But like, if you've got a child, you said she was held. He'll just turn 13 13 today just turned 13. Okay, so she's not morbidly obese. She's you know healthy, she's got a high-functioning metabolism. She's you know, 13 years old.
When she eats foods that are good single ingredient wholesome, ketogenic esque foods and calories are more or less equated for this. She have a different response. Like she like her mood, her energy levels because all that different verses when she's eating roughly the same caloric. That's coming from typical foods that you see in kids grocery
store aisles. Absolutely completely different child, especially the mood and is where like I say, she's 13 and going through these changes right now, and she commented to me just the other day. How much better? She feels like without any prompting. She's explaining to me, how much better her body feels and I love it. I love that for her. Like, I don't care what you eat. But if you're feeling better, you know, it's working. That tells me it's working, and
I'm just so happy. We decided to make make the switch. Yeah, see, I feel like that. I mean there's always people to say like like I said earlier it's all about calories. But when you when you just simply look at how your you're going throughout the day, your mood, your energy levels, especially when you're looking
at a child like that, like that. That's a pretty indicative factor of what's actually going on behind the scenes and that all these calories from different sources, can't really be put into the same grouping. You have to kind of look at the quality of that nutrition and what their what it's doing to the individual. Hands down. Absolutely, and when she compares herself to her friends, the same age, going through the same things, their experience is
very different from hers. So again tells me that the higher fats and things for hormones in women girls can make a huge difference. Not just about calories in calories out for sure. Yeah. And speaking of hormones, Greg you did your show and you get your hormone panel. How long after that after the Because that hormone panel. That was. I think it was maybe a month. Was it a month or so, I think I don't even think it was. I mean, maybe three or four weeks. I don't think of any longer
than. Yeah. I think you're right. Yeah, I was probably with it was less than a month how much I had my heart. Thank your family. Owes you remember? I think we were down where we down Seventeen eighteen hundred or so. If I remember correctly off the top of my head. Yeah, I think 17 hundred or so, which is honestly is quite a bit higher than a lot of people take their calories. So that that was good.
But then, you know, three or four weeks post deficit like the the depth of your deficit, your hormones, your total testosterone is what 700 something. Yeah, get my total test. Yep, and that's pretty unheard of. I mean, there's a study I forget the name of the study, but they looked at natural body builders, they go through a deficit and it was like the again and I'm going to butcher study, but the test pool.
They were looking at like, there were many, many participants in there that I haven't testosterone as low as the 200s, you know, post-show and here you are 700.
And I honestly think so much. That is simply a result of you having a Dietary fat intake with a ketogenic approach throughout your prep, as opposed to incredibly low dietary fat that is common of most bodybuilding, show prep nutrition, protocols and and it just makes total sense when you stop and think about like if your body fat is sub five percent body fat and we got, I don't know if we got sub 5 with you, but we got pretty
dang low like 6% or something. And if you're not taking any dietary fat and you're not taking it any, you don't have any body fat, I mean, your hormones are going to freaking tank, like that's just going to happen. But if you're able to mitigate, Eight that in large part by keeping dietary fat High, that's going to be a huge Factor as well. There's another thing that I really want to talk about with both yell because I think this this brings an interesting perspective as well.
A lot of people, I mean, in most competition, perhaps they'll keep protein, incredibly High to preserve as much lean mass as possible. So continuing to train hard, continually train, heavy maintain your volume throughout the caloric deficit is incredibly muscle sparing and from a nutritional standpoint. Everyone keeps their In very high to prevent muscle breakdown as well.
However, in the past when I've done shows before Quito and my protein was very, very high and my fat was relatively low and my carbohydrates were low or high. Depending on where I wasn't that prep. I always lost a ton of strength and would see truly significant dips in like the numbers. I was pushing in the gym. Now both of, y'all had a pretty relatively low protein intake towards the very end of your
competition prep. Cuz your dietary fat was still high in. Carbs are obviously very low, but I don't feel like either of y'all Or me in my later competition, preps with a ketogenic diet, sustained hardly any strength loss at all. Like, we weren't really hitting PR's, but you're all sending me your strength metrics. And all of them was, was pretty on par with what you were pushing in the very beginning of the prep, when calories were high. Is that right?
Absolutely. Sorry if we're sticking with ladies first. I thought I'd jump in the event. Definitely, I was throughout the duration of the prep able to progressively push harder every week up until peak week when I wasn't supposed to but I could have if I needed to. Yeah, definitely. I don't think that I lost any muscle there. I would argue that. I think I might have messed it up a little bit in the reverse.
But when I started to add protein back to quickly anyways, but no all in all the prep with the protein as low as it got. I was totally fine. I don't know about you there. Greg. Yeah, I agree with you. I actually had some gym sessions where I was knocking out some PR's as my clerk load, was decreasing. And so I, you know, there was a few weeks.
It's kind of hit or miss with any type of training where you're not going to always have a hundred percent at every single gym session, but there were definitely some days where I was hitting some PRS. And my strength is was maintaining way more than I would have ever imagined and I just kept raining hard all the way through prep until we got to Peak Week. Like you said you kind of dial it back a little bit and don't do anything too strenuous and kind of come coasting into the stage.
So it was amazing. Yeah and see this is this is interesting because there's all these scientific studies out there that point to Greater protein intake being very, you know, muscle sparing which is true hundred percent, true.
I'm not I'm not denying that at all, but I think in the context of a caloric deficit for a competition prep, if you are a fat a day, Adapted individual and you keep dietary fat High, which is going to keep your hormones, more stable, and you're not trying to build muscle necessary, so much as you are trying to preserve the muscle. You have built in order to optimize from a fat loss standpoint and just improve the composition for stage.
I have found, you know, without a doubt and all the clients. I've worked with more muscle preservation by keeping the dietary fat relatively high. And, you know, not that I'm trying to go for low protein by instance. I'm not trying to Promote low protein intake, but if you're trying to, if your calories are whittling down, it has to come from somewhere and carbs are obviously going to be low because we're doing a ketogenic approach.
There's no benefit to having the carbs and you basically either pull from your fat or your protein. And we pull from both, but we keep dietary fat relatively High, you know, comparatively and the protein is low by most people's standards for that finite period of time at the very tail end of a prep. And I don't notice any muscle wasting. I continue to hit the lifts that I was sitting at the inning and both of you did as well.
And I feel like there can be all these studies in the world that show that, that shouldn't happen. But I've seen it time and time and time again in working with over hundreds of clients. And it's like, I don't need any study to tell me that this is impossible. Like, I know for a freaking fact, this is what's what's happening here. And this is what's working. So that's all, that's all the reassurance I need. But I'm going. Yeah. So box here. No, totally agree.
Totally agree. I would have doubted you before I actually experienced it, but hands down, I was able to
maintain that muscle, for sure. Now, as a lot of it boiled down to being somewhat mental as well, because when you get down, wouldn't your kind of in the prep and your calories are dwindling week back week after week, and your protein is dropping and you still want to hit the gym and you still want to It hard, if you have that mental mindset going in there, that all, you know, my intake is low. My protein is low. I probably won't be able to lift this heavy. Then you're just setting
yourself up to lift, less heavy. Yeah, so if you go in thinking that, you know, I'm still going to give it everything I got. I don't know how this is gonna go. I'm shooting for the best, and you're able to do it. So, there's a little bit of mental mental play there, but it's doable for sure. Yeah, 100% Well, I wonder too, like, one of my proteins High, I don't sleep as well, right.
And then I would wake up tired and wouldn't have the energy to do what I needed to do at the gym either where the way that I was out. I slept like a baby and woke up feeling like a million bucks and could push it in the gym, too. Yeah. It's interesting because like, I mean, we're all in the keto space. We're all seeing these posts that people are making. And and and protein is often times given this Halo and, you know, told to, you're told to eat it at libitum, eat protein.
There's no cap to protein. There's no issues if you over consume protein, And I can't stress this enough. I am not demonizing protein. Like I don't want anybody to listen to this and think that I'm suggesting people eat a little Protein, that's not the case at all. But I think there is a significant benefit in starting with a very high percentage of your total calories coming from
fat. If you are just starting the kids drink diet, and you're getting fat adapted because you remove those carbohydrates, and you have to replace it, energy source with something, and protein is not a great substrate for energy. And then I think there's also a massive benefit to in the context of a caloric deficit in. Which your body fat is very low, you trying to keep your hormones stable and preserve the muscle that you have as opposed to
build more. But in a building phase or when calories are higher, when the primary goal is to build muscle. I mean, my proteins, pretty dang. I like, I'm probably at, like, I don't know, 200 grams of protein a day or so, right now, which is, you know, I only weigh 175 pounds, so, that's, that's totally a protein for me. And both of y'all are increasing as well, because you're coming out of this reverse diets, so, I don't know. It's just, there's just a lot of context when it comes to
discussion around. Protein and I don't like seeing all these just generic recommendations for eat this at all costs, when it comes to protein, don't ever dip below this. There's no good that comes from it, eat as much as you want and Beyond it, but that's just not the real case when it comes to optimizing for a specific goal. Not at all. I'd love to kind of dive into from a coaching standpoint with y'all both being deep sticky
dough coaches. Now, you know, we can't touch a little bit on why you are motivated to coach. But when it comes to coaching philosophies that I've been coaching for a long time. Now, I think that's hard 2015, 2016, something like that. And a lot of people come to work with a coach because they truly just don't. What to do from a macronutrient manipulation standpoint, they're looking to the coach for that micronutrient standpoint from a people come to coach for lots of different reasons.
I think a lot of it is just an accountability Factor having somebody there to, you know, that's, that's done what you're wanting to do. And just let you know that you're on the right track because I mean the first time I ever did a prep, I had no coach and I did everything wrong, and I kept second-guessing myself because I didn't know if I was
doing everything right or wrong. And that lack of Have resulted in just a toll but a whole bunch of mental bandwidth, getting sucked out of me and just things ID and lots of stress and depression that comes with that. So for yum, you know, being able to be an accountability factor for any potential. Clientele coming your way. I mean, what do you what do you see? I mean what have you experienced personally and being coached yourselves?
And then what do you hope to do going forward and being that for others? Again, ladies first gym. It's all you. Thanks, Robert. No, I'm think for me. I want to be a supporter motivator. Like you say, help with some of that background experience helped, give them the confidence, and the knowledge, share the knowledge that I have. But I also know that the person that I'm coaching has to have a strong. Why? Like, I can't make you do it. I can't put the food in your
mouth. They're in your cover or you've never like you need to come with a reason why and I have a strong foundation and core belief as to why you want to do this. And then I feel like I can then help guide and motivate and encourage along the way. Yeah, sort of what has worked for me in the past and and even in starting to coach a few people. Now, that's what I think will lead to a really successful coaching session.
Are there going to be times when you're not as motivated and you sort of lose that why a little bit? Yes, and I would absolutely help to remind you of it and bring it back but that's sort of the philosophy and approach and style that I would take and I do too. Love it, but you Greg. Yep, same thing. I know I really like and put have a lot of value in the accountability portion of things.
So if you've got somebody who's on your side and can kind of keep you held accountable somebody that you know that you're going to be that's watching you kind of making sure you're staying on track and they're going to be looking at your numbers. Looking at your weights, looking at your progress. Photos kind of keeps you refrain from wanting to let them down a little bit.
So It's a big factor for me. Also, you know, anybody can hop online and find a dozen or more different macro calculators and punching their stats and they're going to get a dozen or more different sets of numbers. Whereas, when you work directly with somebody, who's kind of taking in all of your information and your your life circumstances to consideration. They're going to help dial you week by week or regularly.
We're going to kind of give you some tidbits and pointers and everything along the way day by day and taking it. Consideration that you're an actual person. Not just somebody who's punching up numbers and going to try it themselves. So, I think the personal connection is a big factor because we're all human beings and we all come from different backgrounds. We all have different things going on in our lives. We all have heartache. We all have tough times.
Good times UPS downs, and if you have somebody to talk to and kind of working through that one-on-one, it's it's really, really valuable my opinion. So that's kind of what A few I want to try to portray with people in the future as well. Well, I feel like I've been spoiled because, you know, I've seen all types in clients over the years and both of y'all were freaking exceptional clients like for me as a coach.
And and now y'all as coaches, when the client comes to you, and they're just like self-motivated. They're ready to rock and roll. They just simply want Direction. And then once you give them the direction, they freaking run with it. Like that is a pretty easy coaching client relationship because I mean, then I Undo my work, as a coach. I can see how their body is responding to the various manipulations that we're making and then we make the correct adjustments and then they just
Implement those adjustments. And then I continue to just find finesse and finding the process. Whenever you get somewhere that just is, you know, motivated temporarily. But then that falls off because they lack discipline and then they, they fall off the wagon and they just as Perpetual cycle of on-again, off-again like that is an exhausting relationship. Now, it happens. And you know, I've had become Better Coach and learning how to work with those type of people.
And we take it one day at a time and we try to make progress and we do make progress. But you know, for me having been blessed with. So many clients like the two of y'all were to me in which you know, I gave you the macros. I gave you the instruction that you just freaking rain with it because you were disciplined that that's awesome. So I hope nothing but the best for y'all as coaches getting client to like that because it everybody wins in a relationship
like that. So I can only hope that is what the majority of your clients will be like. Yes, I think but I do think to your point so much of it is a mental game. Right? So you're in it, you might be motivated for a while and then it starts to slip. So this is why I wear, I think that we Greg and I press sounds like we're very much aligned can really help, you know, motivate and encourage, and get that mindset. Maybe back to that place.
And, and again, hold accountability and help encourage and get people to achieve the goals that they intended. To achieve. But again to Griggs point that, you know, if you have a great relationship if it's the right fit, I just see it being incredibly successful and we can help push through some of these mindset shifts and sort of the the point where maybe we're somebody on their own might fall off completely, we can just help bring them back. Yeah, kind of percent.
It's kind of its kind of crazy like as coaches, you know, it's a coaching is Is like a seen as a selfless Endeavor. Like you're trying to do this to the betterment of your clientele and that is absolutely the foundational pillar of why you
do what you do as a coach. And I know y'all both enough personally to know that that's the reason you're doing this but it's kind of cool when you start coaching people because you see their success and you see them lean on you for motivation inspiration Direction knowledge and it just makes your own conviction of the lifestyle grow that much deeper.
So I I've become a better ketogenic athlete personally because of the people I've coached over the years because it motivates me to stay with it myself because I see firsthand day after day after day, how it benefits.
So many people outside of my own unique Inner Circle and I think you know, both of y'all have the potential to be absolutely amazing coaches and also amazing athletes in your competitive Endeavors. So I feel like the the deeper you hone in on this lifestyle because Motivation from the coaching client relationships that you have. It's going to make you a better Coach to them. It's also going to make you a better athlete personally.
So, I'm just excited for y'all. Both to have the tools and have the ability to have the opportunity to put out value in this world to others. Because, I mean, I don't know, I'm not trying to blow smoke up anybody's but here, but y'all both great people. You're both skilled coaches, skilled athletes and I mean, I totally vouch for you 100% because you know what you're doing, you know, I'm proud to see y'all keep doing it. I would agree with that, 1000%
Sorry to jump in on the agenda. But I just thought as boiling, you know, I had a couple out a couple years to three years of personal training experience. And so I did come across several different types of clientele and people that were motivated. Not motivated people that were that were, you know, adhere to the plan and not adhere to the planner fall off the wagon every weekend or whatever else. And those the challenge was a
very very rewarding work. Those people in all different types of people, and seeing their success in their progress and the Joy on their face when they check in and their weight went down or their body, composition looks better or their pants are looser, or whatever. Your non scale. Victory might be, is that is super incredibly motivating for me personally, and I'm sure it is for you Jan and Robert just people's success and the way
they start seeing results. Results and improving their life makes me want to see more results and improve my life. So it's kind of like a regurgitating, circle. Maybe that's not the right word, but it's just like it's a never-ending Loop. So I want you to succeed because then I want to succeed and then you're going to succeed because we're all succeeding and it's just it's just a motivational clan of everyone that works together. So Yeah, kind of percent 100%. The said it better myself.
Support circle of support support system. It's awesome. And really appreciate the opportunity to hear Robert. Well, I'm excited. I'm going to kind of go off on a little bit of a tangent here. But so y'all both coaches under the deeper State keto brand, which is one of my sub Brands. And for me by, that does not know, I don't really talk about deeper State keto, because it's something that I built alongside. Matt Mega keto connect back in 2017.
I want to say I built that course with them right after I earned my Pro card in 2017, and I've honestly not really done much with it. You know, I just haven't, I've been busy building, keto Savage, Kubrick and everything else. But here lately, I've been going through the deepest a keto course. It's like a 90-day course for me. That doesn't know. It's 90-day course teaches you how to manipulate your Macros.
How to track your intake with a higher fat approach to begin with is really good for people that have not yet become fat adapted or just dabbling into keto for the first time. But I've been going through all these course, modules to kind of brush myself up on the course. I've been kind of polishing and tweaking a few things and even though it was made in 2017.
Like it's a super freakin solid course, like I'm excited to breathe some new life into it. We got some new content coming, I'ma start, you know, putting some more marketing effort towards that and I'm excited to have you all. Come on board as coaches because you're going to offer a ton of Are you as coaches? And you know, I think I think the whole concept of deeper State Quito and what it stands for is basically just getting people adapted to more of a
deeper state of ketosis. And I feel like we've all said in the very beginning, how there's all these different sub diets out there these broad dancers flexible dieting. There's dirty keto, cyclical keto, but we all come back to pretty much a strict ketogenic approach with the emphasis being on Quality Foods and I feel like that's what deeper. Aikido is at its core. So I'm a super excited to have
you both join the team. I'm super excited about the content that we're going to be putting in adding to the course itself and just the value that we can add, you know, collectively. So I'm honored to have both the. I think the world of both of you and I'm just excited for what's to come 2022. Here we come. Here we come. Absolutely can't. Wait. It's going to be I'm stoked. This is a great opportunity. Thank you guys for being part of it. This is going to be awesome.
It will indeed. So for anybody that does not know where to find you all individually. You, anybody can sign up to work with you as a coach on deeper State keto.com, but if they want to follow you on your individual social profiles, which I encourage people to do something, kind of get a feel for you all as people.
Where do they go for that? I'm just Jen to Taro on Instagram, as well as Facebook, and even a bit on YouTube documented, my my journey thus far as far as competition prep in the reverse diet out of it and even a few little Meal videos on YouTube now. Awesome. What about you, Greg? You can find most of my content on Instagram at Quito Greg 80. Kilo Greg. 80. I just kind of post all kinds of updates stories recipes gym, stuff articles. You name it, whatever kind of
Quito related. So sure hop on there and check it out. They can go on there right now and see your 315 benchpress fail. Yeah. That video I that was a video. I think it was probably it was a few months back. Just kind of came across it in my gallery on my phone and I thought I'm going to share this again. Just kind of refresh that content. But yeah, I had a edit 315 bench press setup. And I was at the gym. One evening, all by myself.
Nobody else was in there and I got the first rep knocked out, but the second rep wasn't going to happen. So luckily I was able to save myself and have zero injury. So you had, you had a good tip there. Like if you're doing bench, press solo, leave the Clips off the bar, that way you can just rock it to one side. And then the other two, Get it to not pinned underneath it. But yeah, it's no joke, man. It's I don't do 315. So about myself. I don't, I don't want to get
pinned in there. But I guess that's just leave the Clips off and I'm ready to rock, like you. Yeah, do you even leave the Clips off the barbell? If unless you have, maybe if you're in like a rack or you've got some spotting pins or whatever else is something in there as a safety catch, but this particular bench didn't have that. So yeah, leave the pins are leave the Clips off the brackets off the end so you can rocket. Side to side and just dump the wait. There you go. There you go.
Well, Jim and Greg nothing, but pleasure always talking to you. Um, I'm excited for what's to come this year, and I'm excited for the value. That will all hopefully be adding to the community as a home. So as always, if there's ever anything that I can do for you. Just let me know. Hit me up and I'm there for you. I appreciate you so much Robert. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Have a great day.