What's going on? Ladies and gents Roberts is Quito Savage.com. And today, I've got special guest doctor Chalmers on the line. And we're going to dive into a little bit of everything. We truly do. Cover the Spectrum. Here. We talk about myocarditis. We talked about a little bit about vaccines. We talk about coffee enemas. We talk about gut health. We talk about hormones, testosterone, how to improve your health, well-being, and Longevity. We really covered at all. I learned a lot.
I thoroughly enjoyed the conversation. I've got no doubt that you will as well. So that further, Ado, sit back, relax, get your notepad ready to take some notes and enjoy the conversation with Dr. Chalmers, I'm dr. Thomas. How are you sir? I'm well, how are you man? I'm good. I'm good, and let's kind of down to some Mac store. And you may like I watch some YouTube videos of you kind of talk about some of your origin stories, but I love to kind of hear from you first and
foremost. So what kind of guys you into the health and nutrition space to begin with men, so Always wanted to going to be in this space. My whole family are engineers. And so I kind of took that piece of wanting to figure out how systems worked and that's the thing and my love for athletics and, you know, so it was going to be okay. We're going to be a doctor of some kind and then I hurt my back playing football and couldn't walk. And now I went and saw every
specialist. You can imagine neuro surgeons, orthopedic, surgeons back, specialist pain, special, everything. And they send this little kid in it. Ooh, maybe 135 pounds. It's like he's never seen the sun before, and he was like, you don't want to play football anymore. You're just lying there. Something wrong with you. And at that point, I was bench pressing 400 pounds in squatting, 600 pounds. And I remember looking at my said, if I could reach you, I break you in half.
And for some reason, he had no idea called me a liar, to Friday, have no idea what that would make me angry. So called my coach is like a man. I can't walk. I can't play. He was like, we'll go see your team. Fracture, and because life is hilariously ironic. I told him, I didn't, I said, I need a doctor not a massage. He said, we'll look man. It's free go. Check it out. So my parents literally carried me in. He takes a look at the X-ray.
Adjust mean, I got up walked out and went back to practice her days later. So that's why I was like, no this I want to work with athletes. This is this is the path. I want to rock. I want to walk. So that kind of started me down that path and also started to down the idea that not everybody knew everything. So it was my job to learn as much as I could. So that's kind of what got me on this. This path originally gacha
gacha. Yeah. The Chiropractic thing is, it's interesting and there's I talk to a lot of people then, you know, go to chiropractors regularly talk a lot of chiropractors themselves, and I personally have only been to the chiropractor like three times or something like that and they've all been different. Chiropractors. Like, I'm very inconsistent with it, but it seems like a lot of people are like hardcore.
This is the you gotta do. It's going to totally change your life and you get the other half the population. It's like, Do a thing. It's just, you know, voodoo magic, but it sounds like for you. It wasn't just voodoo magic. Now, it's one of those things. It depends on what your, what your needs. So it, everybody always my medical colleagues, my Cairo, call, everybody kind of makes fun of me.
Because when you come to see me, it's going to be, we're going to talk about coffee, enemas, Eastern medicine, meridian line repair, injectable, testosterone calcium, CT, sleep, studies. So, we do a lot of medical stuff and a lot of Eastern medicine Chiropractic stuff at because that's what people need. They need a good healthy, mix of both, you know, to get to get us where we want to. Go lies to get us healthy.
Makes total sense. What would you say the main difference is between Eastern medicine and Western medicine. Probably the nutritional aspect physiology. So the big line I think is divided on Western medicine forces, your body to go a specific way Eastern medicine kind of feeds, the natural physiology and lets it go on its
way. And the problem with those two things is that like take testosterone ZZ easiest example, if you have high stress, you're gonna have low testosterone as you age, you have lower testosterone. There's nothing we can do naturally or physiologically and Stressed environment to bring the testosterone up, so you have to go medical. However, the same time, if your body is not getting the nutrition, it needs, you can
give it all the drugs you want. It's not going to get you where you want to go, anxiety, depression, energy, fat loss in that, it was up. So you've got to go over and work on the physiology side and bring things back up. So you need kind of the, the two pieces. You need to be able to force the body to go, where you need it to go, but you need to support it on the other side. Yeah. I feel like I'm in more of a well-rounded holistic. Approach to it is the only
sensible thing. There's so many people, so many medical doctor, especially in our society, these days in the state's. It's like they want to, you know, isolate everything and put in a box and just treat that as opposed to looking all the underlying issues and fixing them the root cause that's very common, you know, but that's that's the promise that's kind of what we've asked of the system. So, you know, it's like well, I need to see a cardiologist because I'm worried about my
heart. All right, you know, I need to see a nephrologist Murder By the kidneys. Can we do? We understand that those are all interconnected your blood pressure, your kidneys, your heart are radically, you know, directly connected. So like you say looking at from a holistic standpoint, so you understand how all the system works and all the hormones and everything plays together is really, really important.
So having so many over the top of your care, who is a holistic Vision, person is pretty critical. So that's, that's I do a lot of that as well. So, what is your like ideal, you know, patient like in your
practice like house. That structure and who's typically going to see you, you know, it's kind of weird because I've got people who come in and I'll do have a lot of medical doctors become to me for hormone work that I've got people who come in for celiac IBS, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue. Those are all real easy to fix. It's all see those guys and I have a lot of athletes who come in for plantar, fasciitis, carpal tunnel, neck pain, back pain, that's the thing.
So he's kind of a wide variety of things. It's just, you know, Also, see people, I'm like, okay, we're gonna put your care together. And then when I find a, you know, you need a heart surgeon. Well, I don't do surgery. So I'm going to send you to one of my surgeons to get this thing fixed. Then, when you come back, we'll do the detox will rebuild everything. So it's kind of it's a wide variety of people that we see. But I like to work on the people that are having issues at.
Nobody can figure out those are. Those are really kind of my, that's my, that's where it's fun for me. What are some of the common denominators in like the issues that you're seeing on regular basis is there? Like a, you know, classic 80/20 breakdown of what the the common ailments on, what the ideal most bang for your buck fixes. Oh, yeah, so generally it's a systems failure thing. And so, it's okay. We've got to get the kidneys and
liver flushed out. So the waste can actually get out of the body, then we going to kill the parasites which I think, 90% of who I see everybody skipped over, you gotta kill the parasites, then you get a kill the yeast overgrowth then you can repopulate the got with probiotics. So Just doing that little gut reset liver. Gut reset is probably the number one thing people could do for their overall health, and that's
really easy. If you're willing to cough, get him as it's cheap fast and easy, if you're not, it takes a little bit longer, but that's probably the biggest thing is resetting the liver of the detox organism. They got. And again, house is one that, I mean, a lot of people in the keto space, low carb space. Like we've been just inundated with information about gut health and I feel like people are really jumping on the train and recognize that.
How important it is kind of like we, you know, for go sleep for so long, but eventually we have to come to grips with the fact that sleep is super important, but when it comes to gun Health, you know, like there's a lot of people that are out there talking about probiotics and prebiotics and, you know, digestion and consuming foods and parasympathetic State as opposed to the stressed and and whatnot. But haven't heard too many people diving to the coffee
enemas man. So so what does that exactly? It sounds little intimidating. So and it's so funny because like I'll give people the directions, everything they go, they call me that. I don't know if I can do this, then they do one and they're like, oh, this is a whole lot easier than I thought it was. So the way a coffee animal works, is it uses the standard physiology of the body?
exist is to suck all the fluid out of your fecal matter, and take it back up to deliver clean. The water push the water back in the system. If we didn't have the:, excuse me, we would dehydrate and die. Whenever we'd have a lot of albums since my deep, that's why diarrhea can kill you. So, what you do is you take Rid of some kind you can use saline, you can use coffee and then you put a bunch of herbs into it as well. And it kind of makes his tea and then you put it into the colon.
It gets sucked to the: through What's called the hepatic portal system back to the liver drops, you liver. And then those chemicals that they haven't been hit with hydrochloric acid or peptic digestive enzymes and things like that. They're fresh and they're ready to go. And so we can flush out all the congealed, bile salts, all the nasty, all the goo that's been stuck in our liver when I did. My first one, I had I was in a car wreck in 2007 and Brooke, my left foot.
My left femur left, shoulder shot micro wind of my face. Lots of drugs, have a titanium rod that runs the length of my left femur, lots of drugs from the surgery's, not from the time, but a year, little over a year later. I did my first coffee, you know, and all those drugs that was given for the surgeries. We're still in my liver.
They all came out and I actually got high because all those all those chemicals were not being pushed out of B. So, the coffee enema is the number one way to clean the liver. In the livers job is to clean the blood and the lymph to the blood in the length, can clean the rest of the tissues in the body. So overall health inflammation reactive. Oxidative stress can be cleaned out through the liver as long as the rivers clean and the coffee. Enemas with the cheapest fastest
way to do that. Would you like a right and wrong way to do this? I mean, probably want to just shoving Folgers coffee up there, right? Yeah. So you want you want organic coffee? That's not. That's not scented or flavored and then. You want to make sure that it's not hot, you know, 95 to 100 degrees is perfect. And then just take a little bit of time 8 to 10 ounces, you know, let rest relax, lay down, you know, let it kind of sit in there. Give it up 5 to 10 minutes, expel?
That when you go back and take a second, second hit, and as you kind of go through the process, you're going to kind of learn how your body functions and what you need that to the thing. So that's a really great way to do it. The problem we get into with that. Is while you're cleaning your liver, if you clean too fast, your liver will kick out some, the waste products into the interstitial fluid and is, then picked up again by your blood. And your lymphatic system, taking your kidneys.
They can overload your kidneys. And so we get anxiety and depression and things like that. So I also usually have people do, what's called. Kidney castor oil packs on the kidneys to help detox your kidneys, and help allow your body to handle and process waste through your kidneys. So there's a little bit of a caveat. Sometimes coffee, enemas can cause some anxiety and things like that. It's not the caffeine. It's the overload of the kidneys.
And so that's one of the only caveat to the cop, you know, ha as the, you know, how to do it right and wrong. It's make sure your detox will rooms are clean. So, what is this castor oil for the kidneys? Like, how is that applied? So it's three sheets of cotton flannel. Each one individually coated with castor oil. You put that directly on the skin. Then you put a piece of plastic over it and then I like to use a farm for it heating pad.
It's the radiation will actually penetrate 3 cm little bit more than 3 cm through and that helps detoxify the kidneys to flush everything out. And we've had people come in in full on panic attacks, you know, crying? Stop pouring out there. No shaking. They can't do anything. Well toss on the farm for red bed, with the Castor pack on it. 30 minutes later. They get up clean their face off and go back to work. No drugs. No nothing.
They're totally fine. So it's, it's a pretty powerful tool to use but the thing Exit really effective. Is that farm for red piece? So if you guys in the Saint Ursula, they're really really awesome to use. The only big caveat that I have is on the internet. People say that you can reuse the packs. You can't. Once you use it one time, it's toxic and you got to get rid of it. And what kind of frequency, would somebody be doing this combo here? So depends on where you're at.
So like when we bring people in and we're doing a IBS Celiac or chronic fatigue fibromyalgia deal, but I try to do is I do a couple kid. He packs to really empty out the kidneys and then we'll do 2. 24 coffee, enemas, a week for two weeks. Then we come back down to twice a week. And it's been really, really beneficial and fixing a lot of the stuff. We have people come in from all over the world for gut issues.
And this is one of the things that we probably work on I'd say it's 80% of people get this get that starting point just to kill the parasites and clean the bow up. You like a lot of medical literature. This because you don't really hear about it in you know, mainstream circles really well, so the problem with and I wake up at 4 a.m. Every day, and I read and research for two hours. I'm done that for over 10 years. The problem we run into is that medical research is paid for by
pharmaceutical companies. So you have a lot of really good research on a bunch of different drugs, but you don't have any real research on stuff like this, which is funny because if you like, if you look at niacin for increasing hide the h HDL, cholesterol, and decreasing LDL. There's a ton of great research about how awesome it is up. Until about the point.
We created statin drugs. And then from that point forward, it was statin drugs are great and iessons useless now, which is funny because the old research said it was phenomenal and now it's like that and we've changed our minds and statin drugs. So as far as cleaning the liver, they don't have any drugs. It can clean the liver because by definition, all drugs have be processed through /. First, pass through the liver and Hood dirty.
So they don't have anything to clean lever, which is why the medical community has nothing for fibromyalgia, which is a liver issue. So there's not a lot of medical
research on coffee enemas. There's a lot of anecdotal stuff of. Hey, we've done these for a long time, and it's really helped a lot of the people in the Health Community, some of the actresses and actors, and high-end guys like that are doing them because they have access to anyone they want, and they'll talk to all their friends are like hated this worker. Did that work and finally smell say, I went to this guy. Over here and it really helped so like I don't advertise any things.
I do. We have people all over the world coming to us because I help their friend. Susan, five years ago. And they were talking and this is the only thing that helps they get a hold of us. So that's where a lot of the stuff happens from its patients. Who have had it done and they've gotten a great results. And so they tell everybody, so that's where a lot of that goes. Yeah. Yeah, gotcha. So what is the actual mechanism with coffee?
What are you getting from the coffee and the herbs that you mentioned that you're not getting from like a saline solution. So coffee the oils that are in coffee. Actually do a really good job of breaking up congealed bile salts. So what happens in the liver, your liver produces bile. And then whenever you start to lose adequate levels of B6, the biles goes from a really slick, WD-40 like consistency to
basically axle grease. So if you've heard of gallstones or problems with gallbladder, that's what this is. Is the gallbladder is a bag. It doesn't produce anything. So anything that's in it. That's bad. Had to come from somewhere in. That was a lever. So these coffee salts and coffee oils can actually dissolve and break up those congested and congealed bile salts and it helps flush them out. And so that's that's where the
coffee. Really kind of hits the biggest piece, then some of the herbs we use will dilate the common bile. Duct turmeric milk thistle, you know, there's a lot of little herbs like that we use artichoke. Die like that and flush everything out through the chamomile system. So that's the, that's the play of the, of the coffee specifically, but you can put herbs into saline. If you're super sensitive to caffeine, you can do it that way too.
Is there any change in quantity of bile production after this procedure? Is it really affect that? It'll basically just cleans out the the rancid mouth so to speak. So we'll clean up the rest of the bottle. It allow your body to utilize new clean bile. The Get into that. A little bit, is that if you've had tons of bile, congestion, and B6 issues, you're most likely in a highly sympathetic state. So, when you're in this highly sympathetic State, you don't produce digestive enzymes.
So you're not going to be producing as much file. So the fat you're consuming, you're not gonna be able to emulsify and utilize nearly as well. So that's kind of where the caveat is that the reason we're in this position is because we're too stressed out. We haven't done enough to shift us back that parasympathetic function and so That's you to clean the liver first. And then I teach everybody how to get back into a pair of
smoothing state. So meditation, exercise, you know, those other things got, yeah, I've had several clients that have been deficient in HCL and bile production in the first place. They'll often times talk to their natural path. I'll get, you know, they'll get on HCL tablets or something of that nature to increase your stomach acid and then eventually upregulate bound production, but maybe they just kind of working from it. Fish and Foundation to begin with.
A lot of times what we see the problem is that a lot of people wake up to an alarm clock. So, you're asleep your peaceful, everything's good. And then you're shocked the way. And so you instantly start in a sympathetic State, and then people don't wake up in the me. Like, oh, I'm going to take a reliable to relax for 20 minutes. It's as soon as I'm awake. I'm going to go get the kids ready to get me, ready, got go to work. I'm thinking at all the meetings I got today.
So we stay in that sympathetics. Take all day long. Nothing breaks. Is that something to say to you come home and maybe you relax and calm down 20 30 minutes for your slate. Maybe so that creates a big problem in and of itself. So like you say from an efficiency standpoint, your body is not going to create the hydrochloric acid. Your body's not going to create the digestive enzymes, all throughout the day. And so we're not going to absorb our food.
We're not going to clean our food, the HCL doesn't digest the food. It cleans. It kills the viruses bacterial parasitic eggs, parasites, me. It was all that kind of stuff so that it doesn't affect and damage the bowel, but Have the hydrochloric acid, then we have secondary issues. Can't you can't you? What? If someone doesn't have a gallbladder, any effect there? So, you know, the gallbladder, you're not gonna be able to hold bile properly.
So it's going to basically just drip into the intestines and that can cause things like cancer intestinal issues. It can cause all sorts of irritation in the battle. But the biggest pieces that again, you're not going to emulsify the fat, quite like, you need to, and so we're going to have issues with that. Gotcha. Gotcha. You mentioned you wake up at 4:00 every day. What is your alarm clock situation? So I started waking up to an alarm at four and then I go to bed.
I'm in bed, six and a half hours before I need to get up takes about 20 minutes to fully get in a full deep sleep and I wake up usually, about 10 minutes before my alarm. So I wake up naturally because I've set myself to do that. You can you can set your body to wake up where You want as long as you understand, I need six. I need eight hours of sleep. That's what my body requires and then just count backwards. So, you know, if you're going to get up at 4:00, you need to be
asleep by 10:00. So I get in bed about 9:00 9:30. After I put my kids sleep, and then I'll get off at 4:00 not to alarm at. That's just how I wake up. The problem is that I could have it for on Saturday, and Sunday as well. So, it's kind of hard to set your body poke body on Sunday. I sleep till 9:00. Yeah, but on the rest of the days, I got to get up at 5:30. It's hard to do that but you can set it to wake up at the same time every day. Yeah, I'm pretty much the same
way. I wake up early as well. I use one of those kind of splurged on my lap. Let me get one of those that gradually gets brighter and brighter with like birds chirping. So it's not nearly as jolting as a traditional alarm clock if you use 5000k daylight, I must to. So, what happens with that is we see this, a lot of people have sleeping issues, they'll watch They're play with her. Phone will be in that 5000k light and they'll turn the lights off and I don't know why
I can't go to sleep, your brain. Your eyes are brain tissue. And so what ends up happening is that if you're in bright light, your body does not produce melatonin, it produces serotonin serotonin keeps you awake, melatonin helps you to sleep. So if you're asleep and you gradually start, brightening the room your body, just naturally assumes the sun's coming up and a search stops producing melatonin starts producing serotonin. So you naturally wake up and you're ready to go. Go.
So those those alarms are my favorite, the problem with that is that if your wife gets up at six, when you get up at 4:00 waking, her up with lights at for, is not the nicest things to do. True. True. What you also mention that you do about two hours of research, first thing in the morning. What do you do for research, man? Because I've been diving all kinds of things. And it's like, you know, a lot of these, a lot of these studies
are blocked by a pay wall. Like there's not really a good way to go about efficiently, researching any Topic. So this is kind of offered engineer, but I'm curious. What have you found to work best for you when it comes to deciphering to information, just digging deeper into a given topic. So I use DuckDuckGo, a lot switch is stuck together like this week. Yeah, they don't, they don't. So for instance, the biggest reason, this one so not to get off in the conspiracy things.
But in the covid deal there, the CDC admitted that only 6% of people who died from covid. That 400,000 are only six percent of those people. I actually died from covid. The rest died with cogut. If you Google 6%, CDC covid, it won't come up with anything. If you do that on DuckDuckGo, it will come up with the admission and the point on the CDC website where it talks about it. So one is finding the right search engine for what you're looking for.
But I do a lot of in CBI Medical Research and then I do pay for a lot of research because I want to get I want to get all the information and then I will I will let what's going on with my patients. Or what I need to, you know, explain to somebody, dictate how I'm doing things.
So like right now we're seeing a lot of cardio myositis for seeing a lot of damage from the secondary pieces of what covid is and so doing a lot of research into that and figuring out how to how to fix inflammation of the heart, how to fix, inflammation throughout the body, how to do what, what best testing formats is, is that we're doing, I'm doing a lot of Right now, and then we'll get down into, you know, Hyperbaric
function. It was one of the big things I did for a long time and testosterone function. So just little things like that that, you know, other people aren't looking into. That's generally where I spend all my time. He's like a particular resource that you use that you like paying subscription for to have access to the studies that it provides like, is there like a specific provider there. So I'm part of Harvard's research dump. I've got several different ones.
UCLA. So just different. Oh use medical health health medical science center. So I'll go through and get whatever I can from those and often times the way a lot of times. Well, this started was that I'd look for something and it would be like, hey, if you want to read this, you've got to buy this article from this place that wouldn't do it. Now, if you like the fifth or sixth time, it's like you got to subscribe to this specific place to get all these different
articles all bike, right? Cool. I'll spend $10 or $20 a month so I can get access to this stuff because I'm going to use it every day. Yeah, and so that's why I go back there. And that's how I choose who I'm going to pay. Got you makes total sense. Does that mean two hormones of the main? Because that's something that I've had several guest on the podcast talking about and it's kind of weird because I'm a natural competitive bodybuilder.
So like there's so many strict rules on what I can and can't take. But that may not necessarily line up properly with what is optimal from a Health and Longevity standpoint, especially as people age, so I'd love to predict for you kind of just dive into that man's. Like, what are you seeing with your practice people? And different age. Brackets? What seems to be effective and just improving their quality of life. So I own a hormone therapy
company night. Like I said, I do lots of work with injectable medical testosterone and the adjuncts, but I'm it's also kind of weird because I try really, really hard. Never never to sell it to anybody. So, what we'll do is I'll bring people and I'm like, look, let's take that. Let's get your selenium up like four men.
Let's get your selenium of. Let's get your own ego home Igor horny, goat weed in. Let's get you know, all All the different herbs and to feed the testicle to give you all the benefits so that your body can produce more testosterone. So, we'll take a blood test and we'll miss Alaska. How do you feel has your energy and your sex drive? How do you feel after you workout house or you the next day? How's your inner?
How tired are you at night? And then we'll give them all these supplements after a blood test and we'll give them three months. When we're going back in. I'll be like, okay, how do you feel now? Where's your energy? All the same questions? Where's your blood at? And we give them tons of nutrients. And if they come back in and they're like, I don't feel that much different, their blood tests aren't that much better? They were just like, all right, cool. We're going to go to medical
injectables. And so depends on the person. If they have no family history of prostate issues, prostate cancer, anything like that, then testosterone sippy Nate's, actually a great medication to use if they have a family history of prostate cancer or personal history of prostate issues. Then nandrolone Dam, dam is a great option for them because that will not convert to estrogen. It will also not converted. Dihydrotestosterone. So it's a little bit better of a
buffer. We can sometimes split the to give a little bit of deck and a little bit of sippy night to have the best of both worlds. So that's where we kind of go with that one. One of the biggest reasons. We started the hormone therapy coming was for women, because women would come in and they try to buy calcium and D3. And when it's 50 year, old woman comes and buys calcium and III, you know why? She's buying it, but you still start the conversation. What is this for?
Well, I have osteoporosis. And so, you know, my doctor my calcium is good, which is Not totally untrue. But the problem is that inside the bone. There's two cells. There's one holding osteoclast which breaks bones down that responds to parathyroid hormone, which we never really lose the other one called the osteoblast builds bone back up that only responds to testosterone so you can have all the calcium in your blood you want.
If you don't have testosterone, the osteoblasts will not absorb the calcium and create new bone. So that was one of the pieces. That what also happens is that Fat, accumulation metabolism, muscle muscle density, heart function, blood vessel function energy, cognitive function. That's all tide of testosterone as well. So that would always help these women. Also. Now, one of the fun things that I tell the story, because I was told, I had to not buy you buy patient.
So I have this patient. She's just over 50, she came in and she has been on testosterone for, I don't know, six weeks and she has I had the first orgasm. I've had in five years last night. She was At from the testosterone, I was like, yeah, it helps restore blood flow to put to the clitoris and the nerve flow, the clitoris, just like it does the penis and she was like, okay. You never told me that she was next time.
Lead with that. She's had I known that she's like I would have been much more excited about getting off. So that is a big piece as well. We have a lot of women who come in who tell me sex. There's sex is so much better. They enjoy it a lot more now and so they're more willing to have it which also makes obviously any marriage a lot better. So there's A ton of things. It's a saucer and does, for men and women that are really positive. The problem is that it does increase metabolism.
So this is the reason I say this is a problem is because people don't understand with habilis meds metabolism is turnover of cells. So, how quickly does your body create new cells. So, if you think of it this way, if you make ten tables a day, you need supplies and resources to make ten tables. If you make a hundred tables a day, you need ten times supplies. So that's when we start looking at Where are your B vitamins? That where's your niacin that where's, you know, your co Q 10
levels? What we wear, how much water you bring it in, how much of leucine and isoleucine, you're bringing it. So when you start taking more testosterone, it's going to rev your engine up and is going to make everything kind of go harder and faster. So you've got to support that with nutrients. That's one of the, that's one of the big things.
I see that's missing and I probably about 90% of people who give testosterone is again, they don't look holistically and Don't think when I wrap your engine up, when we go from a V4 to a V12. What else? Are you going to need to maintain this for a health standpoint for a long period of time. So that's one of the big things we see the other.
The only other thing is safety wise, if you're on testosterone, you have to look at what's called your hemoglobin and hematocrit or your H, and H. That's how thick your blood gets, because testosterone can make your blood thicker. If your blood gets thicker, it puts more pressure on your blood vessels in your heart. So we're looking at heart, heart attack and stroke. So as As long as you're watching
your h.h. And you're getting your nutrients in the sauce, from is actually a lot safer than people think it is. Yeah, he's had to really be on top of all your different markers, getting your blood test regularly, and just kind of being proactive, instead of reactive. Exactly. So if someone's doing a lot of people come to like, you know, hormone replacement clinics, and then they they just
automatically reach for him. The exoticness hormones because they haven't really done the legwork to figure out how to improve their Sleep. Quality improve their diet and prove everything else. That should be the foundational. Someone's got all that dialed in to a tee. What are? What are some some blood levels? Like, what? Like someone go get some hormone tests done the look into lab panels. What are some? Good healthy ranges that you like to see for? Both males and females.
So for guys, we like somewhere between 800 and 1,200. Now, we can go to 1500. I'm not terribly worried about that women. Women are little bit, you know, more difficult. I've seen. I've worked with women who at testosterone levels of 80, they were perfect. Everything was the way that we wanted. It know some No bad symptoms, they felt amazing. And I've had women that it took to get to 200 before they felt that way. So, that's, that's kind of the play.
So we tell people 80 to 150 on women and there's a little buffer obviously. And then men, you know, 800 to 1200 1200. There's obviously a little buffer in there as well. But one of the other big caveat saint for talking about numbers is so testosterone is a seven-day 1:30. So if you get to, you get to 10 units on Monday. Ten-year-old, background the Monday. You're going to be at 5.
So a lot of people will end up. What will happen is that they'll take a shot on Monday. They'll feel awesome, Tuesday, Wednesday, still feel great, but it rolls back around the Monday and they feel terrible and Sunday. And so some people decide. Well, I'm just going to double the dose I take on Monday so I can last all the way through the week. I don't think that's the best idea. I like to tell people take two shots, one on Monday, one on Thursday, went on Tuesday.
When on Friday, someone like that split the week up and then decrease your dose. Now. Here's the other cool thing. That happens with that. If you're taking 10 units, then your body says, look, I can handle seven anything over that. I'm going to start converting it to estrogen and BHT and we have acne and dark-haired, all this Jazz. Then you're always going to have side effects, taking 10 units, but if you broke it down into six units. Twice a week, which is 12 units
total for the week. But because your body is constantly breaking it down. You never get too high. You're not going to have the side effects. You're not going to have the blood thickening, the acne, the darkening, a hair, you know, you're not going to have those other issues. So, you know, plus you're not going to have the I'm tired because I don't have enough
testosterone left. So that's where the big piece of when we talk about numbers is, you know, just because you're not at 1500, doesn't mean you're not where you need to be. You could be 1,000 because you've leveled that, that you've dropped a big spike. You're taking it more often and you're actually going to be better than if you were at twelve. Thirteen fourteen hundred at one point in time during the week. Gotcha. Gotcha. A lot of people just look at the
total. They don't like, look at the free testosterone and the sex hormone-binding globulin. Any of the other variables are correct. So and those playing as well there, you know, for a lack of for making it easier to understand. You can go with the total T, but the sex fighting globule, home run will actually pull down. The effectiveness. Is it kind of blocks? It's the receptors. So it is something to look at it here at 12:00. You're like, I'm not where I want to be.
You can start pulling these in their lives - okay. Here's why you're not where you want to be is because some of this is getting blocked. And so that is one of the things that we do look at. It's usually a secondary thing, but it is it is important to remember. Do you think it's possible for people to just absolutely Thrive without any exotic hormones at all for the Long Haul? Now? Well, let me take that back. If you're a billionaire and you don't have to worry about work.
Work and your family has no stress and everything. Every part of your life is smooth possibly. But men and women both start losing testosterone as we age just because our body starts breaking down. But as we talked about earlier, the higher, your stress, the lower your testosterone, they're just, they're inversely proportionate. So, you know, people come in. They're like, I don't have any stress and like, really are you married like well, yeah, like if kids like, oh, yeah.
Like give a job. Yep. Yep. I got bills to pay. Guys, okay. So you do have some stress. We just don't know how much it's actually affecting your body, just because you don't feel stressed out. Like I have a bunch of guys who are crushing it making tons of money, living their purpose, loving their job and you run them through stress, protocols and stress functionality testing and they're, they're really stressed out chemically to their body. Psychologically.
They're good, but Kenneth is our bodies are not as great. So you need to start working on the Hyperbaric stuff that high dose, co Q 10 the methylated B vitamins in the testosterone to keep them where they need to be. Be. Yeah, I've seen guys who are good at 40, who need to soften it 45. I've seen women who needed it 25:26. So just depends on your body. And what's going on in your life. Got ya, got ya. It's kind of weird, man. Like for me like in the natural federation's I competed.
I mean they've got like a like certain federation's are much stricter than others. But the one like the WNBA, if that I competed it's got like a hard-and-fast, you know, ten year, you know, banned from ink from any competitions if you taken Thing like it's super, super straight and I understand where they're coming from because, you know, athletes people that are really competitive, you give them an inch, they take a mile, but it's kind of the same time.
It's like if you want to compete because you're passionate about the sport in the lifestyle and you want to compete like in Masters divisions and you know, you're 50 years old, 60 years old, you know, there may be a tipping point at which like your quality of life may be diminishing just that you can step on a stage so you can have to balance that out with whatever is best for you personally.
Yeah, the other way that I've started looking at this is you know, if if someone was a diabetic and they were taking insulin, no one would bat not be like, oh your body does not produce enough insulin the specific hormone. It doesn't produce enough of it. So you need to take extra to live the life and do the things you want to do.
No one says anything about that but you know, if you take this all start at all, you're a horrible person and you know, you're a cheater and this and that, you know, if they can on this look, okay? No one can go over 1,000. If you're at 50, you can bump all the way up to 1000. If you're at 950, you can only go to 1000.
I think I'd be more fair than just saying, you know, we're going to do deal with whatever your body can produce because I know guys who are in their 50s who are still in 900 level, you know, but I also know guys are in their 20s who are. So I was in a car wreck and I had a lot of stress when I tested my testosterone and I was 27, I was 185. So and I found out because I broke my feet. Running. That's how bad my bones got. So to say well, we're just going to be natural and if you want to
compete you can't do anything. That's technically not super Fair because like I said, there's people who are going to be at 900. There's going to be people here at 185. So I think if they just settle level message, we're going to test you. And if you're above this point, you can't, you can't participate. I think that would be more fair, but I see where they're coming from. Because like you said, you give an athlete an inch.
They take a mile. Yeah, it's so crazy to because like, they change so much throughout the course of a prep. Like I did my last prep and I was at 800 at the onset and then by the end of it and dropped to four hundred simply from, you know, the stress that comes with the prep, the lower calories and everything that had prep entails.
So like if you were to keep someone an even base line of, you know, 800 or so, for instance, that wouldn't be necessarily natural per se because the your body is naturally going to decline and total test as you go through a primp, but it's like, you know, what's optimally? Healthy? This is not because a lot of competitors, you know, they'll have they'll not have their diet in, check it all out of them that follow traditional protocols and have minimal dietary fat and they get down to
you know, 45 percent body fat. I mean that they're not taken any of the cholesterol or dietary fats, necessary, as precursors to testosterone. So their testosterone is absolutely Bond down. Yeah, the private we get into is that people think testosterone? And I think biceps he packs and stuff like that. Your heart is a muscle. It has to happen. Fostering to regenerate and heal and continue to function. All of your blood vessels have
muscle. The Tunica. Media is a blood but this is muscle. So if we start losing testosterone, we're going to start losing health of the heart and blood vessels. The other piece is that, you know, all your metabolism is based around that cognitive function. There's a bunch of things that are tied to testosterone that aren't necessarily what you consider important for
bodybuilding. So, a lot of times we When I work with people will see some of the they'll be like, oh, I want to be natural and I want to do this. I'm gonna do that and I'm like, well, do you want to be where's your focus? You want to be natural or do want to be healthy? And I think the best example of this is when my wife and I were going to have our first kid and the r0b Jen looked at this and she said she's wildly medical. Not we don't see eye to eye on all the medical choices, but she
has. She's one of your what's your goal? We said we would have a natural childbirth. She is no, we're like no, that's what we watch. Is not satisfied. What you want and I was like, all right. She is you want a healthy? Happy baby to healthy. Happy. Mommy. That's your goal. How we get there? We can talk about the goal is healthy. Happy baby. Healthy, happy mommy, and it was such a phenomenal mind shift for me. That was like, yeah, that's actually what we want.
We just need to figure out the different path and it was funny because we didn't have happening, just like my bike. My wife's body works. She had to have an epidural to dilate and actually have So because our mind shifted a little bit, we were over, we're more open to Alternatives and things like that. So when we start looking at goals often times, you're like, why is that your goal? So it seems like, well, I want to be, I want to be totally natural, but I want to have x y&z.
What, why? Why do you want to be natural? Well, I want to be healthy. Okay. Well, you might be subject. You might be decreasing your health by trying to stay natural. And so that's one of the things I'm trying to teach my patients. Is that Just because it's pharmaceutical, doesn't mean it's bad just because it's natural, doesn't mean it's good. There's a lot of people who think veganism is the healthiest way to go and they're wrong. And lots, and lots and lots of
reasons. So, just because of what we, what we think of trying to be healthy, oftentimes can decrease our actual Health. Yeah. Yeah, totally gonna mean for me like I'm in the bodybuilding space. So I see all these people that abuse, you know, performance hands and drugs, they take it to totally different extreme. That is certainly not healthy. And you see a lot of dropping dead like flies. - here lately,
which is kind of scary. But that is most certainly not what the average person's to this. Just trying to improve their quality of life and Longevity is going to be doing. Yeah, and it's funny because like, you know, a lot of fashion. See I'm just naturally a very large person and people come in. They're like, well, if I do test, I don't want to get big like you and I'm like, that's you won't like just taking tests. He's going to heal your body. That's all it does is healing hormone.
So if you work out really hard, you take all the stuff. Plantation to go to loosen all the isoleucine, you get, all your sleep, you sleep really. Well, you all the water, you get all the stuff you need. You will get bigger. Your body is designed to only get so big. You've got to use either. So you're not going to accidentally get you back. Yeah. And so, you know, that's where the big words, we get.
We have a ton of women who come in, who are worried about, this is always fun, women come in. They're like, well, if I take testosterone, I don't want to get big like a man. Then I always have like, okay, let me show you some pictures of people. Now, and you sure these most phenomenally, beautiful aesthetic bikini models, that I work with and I'm like, you know, would you be okay looking like this? They're like, oh, yeah, like they're on about 50% more tests than you would ever want to
take. So don't, don't worry about getting too big. Don't worry about having the bad bad body, build reaction that you don't want, because it takes a lot of work to get bigger. Yeah, totally green.
And I mean on the opposite of the spectrum, I think like I kind of mentioned earlier, like so many people automatically reach for, you know, these Super Supplements before they even are aware of what their body's capable of naturally and I feel like, you know, as long as people have a super solid base.
They don't ever allow themselves to, you know, go awry and put on a bunch of extras excess body fat and they're constantly in the gym working out and they're doing everything like they should, they're on top of nutrition. Like you can maintain pretty awesome levels of, you know, Other hormones from a completely natural standpoint a lot longer than people realize. Yeah, that's actually. It's funny because one of the things people come in, they go.
Well, I want to sastra who don't will be overweight and like, have you had a sleep study? Like, what am I gonna be a sleep study? Because I'd say about 40 percent of the people that I work with, who are in their 35 to 40 who are overweight over fat. Sorry, that have low T. It's because they have sleep apnea. Hmm. And so you Give them the oxygen
back at night. They start, they start healing the body at night, which is when we repair generate anyway, and all of a sudden because nobody can Now physiologically function properly because they have a CPAP or whatever. Now lives in their testosterone comes back up, I've seen and I'm not getting up. Some people going to, from the high 300s to the 800s like the easy a little bit more than double their testosterone, just because we get to sleep stuff
fixed. And so, that's really, again, that goes back to the whole, we're gonna look at the whole person that like, you In sleep is such a big issue. Your are you sleeping properly? Are you sleeping? The right amount of hours. Are you sleeping consistently, you know, that that piece is a big piece, you know, and so, we'll go through and do that. Yeah, started mouth taping about a year year and a half ago and I do that pretty much every single night. Without fail on that.
That seems to made a pretty big impact as I'm just nasal breathing hundred percent of time. Yeah. Yeah. So the there's, there's two types of apnea. There's one that's called instructive. That's where people snore and then the centralized that thing which is where you literally just It stopped breathing and that's what we do to sleep sense cuz you can find out. Are you snoring? Which we can you can fix with now pieces? You can fix for taping faced
with things like that. Or are you stopped? Are you just not breathing? Mine was I just stopped reading and it was bad. Like I'm still were the worst people I've ever tested and again, I would have known. How did not test it? Because I felt awesome all the time, you know, lifting great energy all day. Everything's fine, and then I got to sleep.
Because it was one of the things that we can start doing for my patients because researching it sounds like well I'm going to do it first so I know like a patient asks me. What's it? Like I can tell them and my test comes back. I was like, oh my God, I'm gonna die like flat-out. I'm going to die.
And so I've been on a CPAP for 10 years and it's been it's been easy, but I know that my health is substantially better because of it. So, you know, it's one of those things that everybody needs to get sleep. Setting, everybody needs to get a calcium. CT just to know their own health. 'The yeah, I agree. I agree. You mentioned the veganism kind of opened up Pandora's Box there and we've been talking about hormones. So, can you kind of tie those two together?
Like, what are some, some commonalities that you're seeing in people from a hormonal standpoint that go the vegan route thinking that they're doing themselves? A lot of favors. So oftentimes, we see way too much soy consumption and not just normal soy, but processed soy, and so soy has a very high phytoestrogen count. And so here's the problem with this when you do a blood test and you say, Much testosterone. How much estrogen, how much this
do I have? Those levels are extremely specific and so it will only find the human production of estrogen. So you can still have a 40, you know, estrogen levels, but you have so much Zeno and phytoestrogens from Plastics and plants that it's like, you have a 400 estrogen level, which suppresses testosterone does all sorts of things to increase, body, fat, and water retention,
and things like that. So, and then there's all sorts of cancers that come along with that surgeons, so, So, the soy piece is problematic. The other big issue is that unless you're unless you're really diligent. I've written vegan diets for people, so it is possible to help me help you with them. But the average person doesn't dive into my. Getting all my complete proteins, my getting all my amino acids. Am I getting the actual nutrients?
I need the idea that you can get the micronutrients. The vitamin C is the same as think. I'll let him suffer from food whether you're veganism or, or a carnivore is, If you do the research guide, how much vitamin C is in an orange today. First 50 years ago, even eat 40 oranges to get the same amount of vitamin C. So what we end up telling people is look, you're going to have to eat the food for the macros and worry about energy, so calories
and fat content. So you're looking at your you're in, do more mesomorph acting more functionality there. So your your, your carbohydrate versus Matt fat content, but you're going to have to do supplementation for all the micro. Crow nutrients for all the nutrition that you have to have to run this body. And so these are two totally different things.
Because often if you wanted to eat the food to get all the micronutrients and all the nutrition, you're going to eat ten, twelve thousand calories a day and have all sorts of issues
on the other side. So that's the big piece that people really need to understand is that you're gonna have to supplement either way, but it's harder to deal with some of the downsides of being an ism than it is to deal with some of the downsides of like a keto function because Most people, if you're, if you're a fat burning human being, he's your mezzo Endo or all the way to n do. That's going to be better for
you. No matter what because you're actually gonna produce less inflammation because your body's burning the fuel source, it was designed to have. So we start talking about veganism, you know, a plant-based plant. Everything is like super, super big nowadays, but I don't understand why for my bio chemical standpoint. It's It's no better than Carnival. Carnivore is for a very for the very end P, point of in the warps. Veganism is for people in the very end of ecto or people.
Like so, for instance. I had a patient to patients come in. They were married. She was fresh off the boat. Chinese middle of China thousand years or her genetic history, has been the right there that same Village Middle Of China. The other guy was Western European. They were eating kind of a mixed diet. The 30, 30, 30 style diet. They're both fat and miserable. I moved her to a full vegan diet because genetically they had meat meat.
No one in her family for the last hundred years that even meet the other. The other guy. He had been eating meat and salmon and fish, it's like that. So we split them. He went to Morgan and no morph diet, more meat or fats. She went almost strict vegan cold months later. They both lost a bunch of fat. They both felt amazing. Everything was working. Right? So the problem we get into is that we talked about Veganism or whatever, there is no diet for
people. There's a diet for a person depending on their their body structures for their somatotype and then their genetic background, but the idea that we should all just give up eating meat and move to veganism because it's popular, or it's politically correct or whatever. That's that's the worst thing that you can decide on. Yeah. I don't know why. I mean, I guess I understand why it's gained so much traction, you know, for people that feel like they're trying to save the
planet or they get it behind. Hannah from like, an ethical standpoint, oftentimes out of confusion. But I mean, I don't know. I've got, I've had several people in the podcast that are hardcore vegans. They seem to be thriving with it.
So who am I to say that they're wrong, but for me, personally, and for most of the people that I work with being, you know, want to ketogenic Community is like, most people just don't respond well to that much vegetation from a digestive standpoint like getting in as many calories as you would need to to hit your macronutrient Targets on a strictly vegan diet. We require so much, you know, vegetation that your, your digestive tracts, probably not
going to be optimized. Well, the other thing is, it's so we've got think of it this way. So you have diesel vehicles, you have unleaded vehicles, and electric vehicles. They run on very specific fuel sources. You can't intermingle them without damaging, the fuel source of the damaging, the engine of that vehicle. And so, you know, we talk about all this diversity. Oh, people are so diverse. We have all this diversity, diversity is fantastic.
And then they go. What should we We should all eat exactly the same thing. You're like, well, that doesn't make any sense at all. So I think one of the things that helps which are talking about, the Brit that the gap between the carnivores, the vegans is like, they're both, right? But it's one of those things that, you know, should we have everybody be vegan or everybody. Carnivore know. There's going to be people who
are going to thrive. Like you said, being vegans, finishing people are going to thrive being carnivores. We just have to understand that there is such a thing as diversity. And there is a thing as difference and that's why the Diet that works for Sally. Isn't the thing that we can work for Sally's best friend. So that's where we have to understand that. Maybe we're just a little too different and that's why things don't work the same and that's why things that are good for me
are not good for you. Why do you think there's so much diversity across the human species? Like you look at any other species and there's not near as much to verse in humans. Be fair. I mean, we're all the same species. So it's like you would think we're all kind of functioning with a pretty similar engine. So it's the easiest way to explain this is if you look at we go back to the Chinese.
So the Mongols. So if you look at people who live in the center of China, all they've eaten forever is vegetation and so rice and that type of thing. So the people who did well metabolically with that thrive survived had a more offspring than genetically. Those off, that Offspring was even more and more and more set towards only eating that particular food. Then during the land bridge, thousands of years ago, those Chinese as Mongols crossed, the land bridge.
And what is now Alaska? Well, what end up happening is that they didn't have any vegetation Engine Seal feet. And so ended up happening, is the Inuit Eskimo who the this this group turned into be all they had to eat was that was fields and so lots of them died. Well the ones who didn't die could process and function off of seal meat and feel fat. And so as time went on the people, who are the Healthiest, strongest best people in the group and the tribe were able to
have more and more children. And so it just genetically filter down that the people from this area are going to do really well with the food that's in this area. As we start mixing because America one of the great things about America is where this massive Melting Pot. Like we've got people from all different types of walks of
life. And so we look at America and you're like, I don't understand why we can't come up with a diets for Americans will see As you know, my neighborhood has people who are first generation from are from Middle East Africa. India, you know, London Australia, like we've got this really diverse neighborhood, and they all have different cultural and nutritional needs.
And so that's really where this comes from is, you know, if you're from a group of people who only had one thing to eat, those who survived over time, are going to be hypersensitive to anything besides. Ed's what they've been eating for two hundred years. Yeah. It makes sense. And you get all these people from all over the world coming to America and eating the standard American food, which is just heavily processed crap and then everybody gets bad. That's right because no, no
one's diet is, no one's natural. System was like, hey, let's let's use as many chemicals as possible to function. So, you know, that's why these standard American diet doesn't help anybody. Yeah, totally agree there. I'm glad that I'm genetically disposed to function better on rib eyes and bacon as opposed to Rice and bananas, I'm not gonna lie. I I'm happy where I am as well. So we'll shoot, man. We've almost been talking for an hour. He's been flying by. You. Got anything coming in the
pipeline. Like what are you excited about? You know, I don't want to see say, I'm excited. But one of the things that I'm starting to see is that, so, cardio myocyte has has been something that's been actually very, very rare up until the past, probably 18 months, and people are trying really hard to say all the hard issues.
Is all this cardiac issues of the blood vessel issues are all because the vaccine I would, I would warn people against that type of, you know, one side of the other argument. I'm seeing a lot of my patients who have what appears to be chiral my cardio myositis from just getting koban. So, if you're starting to notice as a person that you're having working out as harder, you're getting fatigued faster, you're
sitting at your desk. You're sitting at your couch and your heart rate goes over 100 for no. Those are signs that you need to get looked at. So echocardiograms are a great way to go. Cardiac MRIs are really going to be important. I am very worried that two three four years from now. We're going to start having people with major heart problems that we didn't know about because we weren't looking for issues of cardiomyocyte has. My whole my whole practice is
bent on looking forward. So we do a lot of calcium season, sleep studies. We check hormones. We do all sorts of different planet. Three panels, so we're geared to look for this thing. The things that nobody's talking about yet. And so that's the thing that I don't want an excited about. But it's one of those things that I think that as far as looking forward, that we need to worry about our health wise.
We did start worrying about inflammation in the heart and the blood vessels more than we are right now. So if you are one of those people like I've had patients coming from all over the place telling me this that you know, like hey I go to the gym and I workout you're not 60% the way through and I'm just Gathering. Like, what is going on? It's like, it's like I haven't worked out before or I get to the top of the stairs. I get a little dizzy.
Like, what's I don't know what's going on or like I said, you know, I'll just be sitting at my desk and I can feel my heart beat faster and I'll check my pulse ox for check. My pulse. It's way over 100 or my resting. Heart rate used to be 70. Now. It's 90. What's going on? You need to go have that looked at, you know, go, go talk to some docs and let's, let's go get that looked at ahead of
time. So I think this is gonna be one of those things that he's going to become a big deal and three or five years. And the problem is, if you let your heart, Heart. You're damaged. That's awesome. We can get back. Yeah. Now, you're saying cardio. Myocyte. Is that the same thing as myocarditis? Yes. Yes. Oh, it's inflammation of the heart muscle. Gotcha.
Gotcha. Yeah, I think I've the mean, I definitely think people do eat wary of that for sure and be more proactive in figuring out, what's causing it and how to prevent it. Because, I mean, I don't know, man. I've been hearing these horror stories lately and it's like, I look at my profession, my lifestyle. And you know what? I've got coming in the pipeline and that's the last thing I need to be. Not going to my back door right now. Yeah, it's been.
It's been scary because the more testing what we're doing. The more we're finding these these symptoms and a lot of people and I've been doing this for 15 years and we have never seen it. In fact, you know myositis in flesh. The heart muscle was a thing. You can get from the flu or from colds or things like that. The viral piece what it was very rare and now we're starting to see a lot more and so that's the thing. I think that, you know, like I said, it'll become a thing.
In a couple years, but if it's if you've got it now and you wait for five years to do anything about it or even to find it. You're going to be a lot. You're not getting a good Flex. Yeah. Just gives a fun little league. Renamed, totally green. We'll shoot brother. Where do people go to follow along your journey and dig deeper, man. So, you know Instagram, YouTube, I'm dr. Chalmers the number one and then, you know, Chalmers wellness.com. They can always go there and
find us there. So those two places are pretty much the the two big places. Awesome, man. Well, I'm almost certainly Lincoln to those and thanks for taking the time and I appreciate the conversation and Merry Christmas to you brother. Absolutely their Christmas to take care. All right, I'll get it.