Well, hello ladies and gents, Robert Sykes, Keto savage.com. Today we've got special guest Dane Paularino on the line. He is the man behind Dad Bond Sculptors. And he realized at 42 that he was headed on the wrong trajectory in life. Turned his health around, turned his life around and got in great shape. And now he's helping other guys that have a similar story do the same. Super compelling conversation. Really enjoyed chatting with him.
We talked about fitness, nutrition, training, habits, routines, mindset, all the good stuff, all the building blocks necessary to live your best life. So with that, for the delay, sit back, relax, enjoy the conversation with Dane and we are live. Dane, How are you, brother? Man, I'm doing so well, thank you for asking. Hey man, I'm excited to be chatting with you. So you are a dad of two and we are going to be talking about how to get healthy again, I'm
assuming. So I want I want to dive in this back story, man. I feel like I'm a dad now as well. And I look at my peers that I grew up with and I was just talking about some about this to somebody last night. When you starts, you know, in the high school years, everybody's pretty much on level playing field. And then based off of your actions, the compound daily, you can see that gap widening and widening and widening if people are doing the unhealthy things
as life gets away from them. So just talk to me about that man. Talk to me about the back story. Yeah, so I I've always been somewhat, you know, growing up, I was an athlete. I played baseball, I played basketball, played football, always in and around sports, always competitive in that kind of arena. Then college kind of took took hold, went down the college path, still was kind of active, learned a little bit about bodybuilding in in college, then moved to Florida.
Florida was, you know, summer sun all year round. So I was always somewhat lean and, and a gym goer to some degree, right? But then life kind of took its course for me from 25 to 35, got really deep into my career, had some success, was always kind of training. And then around 35 to 42, I had noticed things had really changed for me. I wasn't consistent in in the style of training that I was doing.
Lots of different fad workouts were coming out, lots of different styles of eating was coming out. You know, calisthenics, HIIT training, hypergrophy training, keto, fasting, paleo, right, vegan, like all these different things. So I just started changing up a lot of my protocols and trying different things as I was growing my business and now growing my family.
And one day for me the the realization was when I was about 42 years old, I was doing group theory, Orangetheory group fitness classes 5-6 days a week, checking the box 'cause it was super convenient, you know, I fasted for 16 hours a day. I would then end my work day by going to one of these classes.
I'd burn like 809 hundred calories and then they go home and just kind of didn't realize it, but I was eating back the entire day's worth of calories in a couple of hours and did it again, you know, repetitively for a good while, like a year. And Long story short, man, I, I one day caught a picture of myself in a transformation contest. They took a picture of me and I was extremely angry that I looked the way that I looked. You know, I was like, what, what
am I doing here? Like this, what, what the hell am I even training for? I don't look the part. I don't feel the part. And then I realized like, I'm not even the same person. I don't enjoy being me anymore. And that really tied back into my self-confidence and my belief and, and that essentially when I peeled that back further, it was like, well, you're not in a body that you're proud of, so how can you expect other people to be proud of you?
Yes, I had success in my business, but I had I had there was a trade off in in in exchange for that success, I compromised my health and my happiness.
And so 42 I was really adamant about going out and really finding one specific style of training that was going to be optimal for me. One very specific style of nutrition that I can follow and go deep in so that it fit into my busy lifestyle so that it could be sustainable and then ultimately get myself in a body that I'd be proud of and happy.
And so that was that was where the journey started and and has led me to this point here today, which is the founder of Dadbots Sculpting. What, what was your, what, what your business you're talking about? Was that in in the fitness nutrition space or was it totally unrelated? Totally unrelated. Yeah, I built 2, very 2 leading head hunting firms. So head hunting, not chasing criminals that didn't pay their bail bonds. Some people, they're like, oh,
you're that guy. I'm like, no, head hunting meaning recruiting, high level, high stakes recruiting. So we did C level executives. So CEOSCTOS, CR, OS, chief executive officers and then I launched my second business was focused on product management function and this was all for hyper growth software companies. And so the first company took me 7 years to build into a 7 figure agency.
The second one which was more niche down, it took me less than three years to build that into a 7 figure agency. And it was during that period, three years, I got married, I had two children and woke up in a body that I was no longer happy about. And so I realized, like, damn, there was a cost for this success. And I had to make a decision. Do I just continue to justify my bad habits, my bad eating and these insecurities and keep masking them with career success?
Or do I, you know, go and try to get it all because it didn't need to be this or that. It could be this and that, you know, and I, I wanted to make sure that I was the hero to my kids. I was somebody that my wife desired and I was somebody that could look myself in the mirror every day and say, yeah, man, you know, I'm part of the person I'm looking at. And at that point, Robert, I was
not man. I mean, I had, I looked at my phone and I had maybe 3 selfies and they were like two of them were on, on accident that I'd taken to myself. I had almost no pictures with me and my family, and it wasn't because I wasn't proud of them, it was because I didn't like being in front of the camera. I didn't like facing the reality that I was living. Yeah, I feel like a lot of people can resonate with what you're saying, man. A lot of people find themselves in these very shoes.
So like, when it comes to, you know, when you started slipping, because if you were in Florida, you were staying lean all year round, You kind of grew up doing sports. Like is there any one thing that you think is the primary driver for why your health and composition started on the decline? Like is there any one thing or just the summation of all? Yeah, there's a couple of things. I was actually just talking to
this about a buddy. So when I moved to, I live in Charleston, SC, not liner now and my wife and I just picked up here, our head hunting firm had taken off. There were two companies that we were exclusive on and they were in Charleston, so we were recruiting for them. So we just decided to pick up and move here. We didn't have any friends, we didn't have any social life. We just kind of started our life here. But what I realized was there was no gym scene here.
Like there was no gym culture. There was no gym scene. It was a little bit more seasonal than Florida. So you had the ability to kind of get a little bit heavier and wear baggier clothes in the winter and the fall, right? And there was no like, hey, we're going to go to the beach
this weekend. Stress that was always in Florida, right you always were in and around that hot sun and when you're in that hot sun all year round, like you just don't like feeling heavy clothes are sticking to you like you're just like this is miserable. So here you didn't feel that. So we just slowly started fitting in, you know, with the culture here and eating and drinking Ipas and just kind of living this life of comfort, so to speak.
So that was one of them and then two the my peers all looked like me or worse, you know, like I was part of I was a founding member of an exclusive group down here called well, it's it's nations globally, it's called entrepreneurs organizations for businesses that are doing a million of revenue or more. And I was one of the youngest founding members in it at that time and I was like one of the best shaped dudes and I was like
32% body fat. That just tells you like the the standards were not really anywhere, you know what I'm saying? So there wasn't there wasn't that dude, like I like to say, like, you know, Andy ABS where he was always around and you're like, damn, this dude, He's always looking tight and right and, you know, making me feel uncomfortable. There was nobody like that in my circle. So it wasn't until like I held a higher standard for myself and said like, no, I need to be that
one. You know, I need to be the one that starts getting comfortable being uncomfortable. And I didn't care how people judged me anymore. I didn't care that I was going to eat differently. I didn't care that I was going to say no a lot more frequently
than I was saying yes. And because it was, it was like, I'm the guy that has to wake up every day in my body and I want to be comfortable in it. It's funny, man, like we could do a podcast all on psychology of composition in and of itself, but like I was talking just the other day about the important, especially the holidays coming up, people get pressured and eat in certain ways or kind of shirking their responsibilities
towards their goal. And you just, I mean, when you look at the people that you're around, you look at your inner circle and if they're not conducive to your betterment, then you got to like cut ties with a man or, you know, block them out and compartmentalize that relationship so that it's not dictating more aspects of your life, like the food you're eating, the alcohol you're consuming, the training you're doing, and you got to be the weird guy.
But like, at the end of the day, the weird guy that's, you know, super strict and regimented and, and seeing success in multiple facets of life, Those people, they pass judgement the beginning, but all that judgment passed just because they're uncomfortable in their own skin. They're wanting to bring you, bring you down to their level so they don't feel uncomfortable. And that's just not 100%. Growth 100%.
That's one of the big things I teach my guys in the mindset thing is like, hey, the first couple of months, like even their spouses doubt them because they've heard you say so much shit, excuse my language over the years. You were going to do this and you were going to do that and you just never followed through, right? If you did, you wouldn't look and feel the way that you look and feel. So they don't believe your word because you don't believe your word.
You don't keep it to yourself. So why would they believe you're going to keep it to them? This is just another one of these things you're going to try to do. So you've got to be somebody that slowly just instills and relies on your habits and not on the results. You need to validate yourself on your daily habits and not validate yourself on the results and trust that the process and the habits are going to lead to the results.
But you have to do it long enough and consistent enough where people start to realize this SOB isn't going to bend, right? He's he's not giving up this time. He keeps getting up early, he keeps hitting his meals, he keeps going to the gym, right? It's it's when they see you wavering on those daily habits that they know I told you it wasn't going to stick.
So that's kind of Part 1, like making sure that I get these guys to start right with installing 5 daily non negotiables that that work for anyone. And you know, like I always say, like you can't have the body of your dreams tomorrow. It's just not realistic. You can't have it in a month. Sometimes you can't even have it in three months, but you can have the mindset and the habits of your dreams tomorrow. Like literally, it's that easy.
And once you start creating that better version of yourself, the body comes around. But also all the people that are critics to you in the beginning, because they will be critics 'cause you're eating differently, you're behaving differently, you're making different decisions. Be there. Some will even call you selfish. But really it's so that you can be selfless in the end and serve the people you love from a place of true appreciation.
And so the process for them is like one, get you out of your own way so that you could serve the people you love and care about, which is your kids, your family, your employees, your community. But you can't do that until you love and appreciate yourself, right? And you can't get to that place until you do things on a daily basis that you're proud of. Yeah. And then, yeah, I feel like one of my favorite quotes is, you know, we don't rise to the level of our dreams and aspirations.
We fall to the level of our habits and routines. And that's like so true with with everything in life, but especially in the composition you're in. Yes, 100% man. It's it's, it's not how it's who like who do I need to become to pull this off? Like that's the question. I like if you looked at my brand, my brand talks about a couple of things. One, it's, it's being the standard, right? Being the one in your circle that sets the standard.
And I would tell my guys the last couple of weeks in our group coaching call, like you guys are going to be the one this holiday season. You're going to be the one that people look and go, well, what the F happened to this dude? You know, I didn't even know you were doing this. What have you been doing? How have you been doing it? How long did this take be that one, right?
Because when you're that one, people are one, curious about it. And two, when they're curious, it gives you the ability to influence. And if you're a well intended man, there's nothing more powerful than the power of influence. But you cannot influence anyone, including your children, your wife, until they're curious about your habits, behaviors and results. So you have to be able to have those in your life. And then two, it's creating that
better version of yourself. Who do I need to become? Meaning, where do I want to be 30, sixty, 90 days? What do I want to look like in two years? And what are the habits of those people who, what habits and routines and rituals do I need to make my own to become that person? And don't worry about the how, right, Just The Who is the most important thing and act from
that place. So that's why, like you said, man, it's it's all about the habits you, you strike together a day of of 55 habits that start with the early wake up call, like getting up early before everyone else, Like, Hey, pat yourself on the back, man. I got up when I didn't want to get up two, I put some right information in my mindset, right? Help me understand. I can control the controllable and I can control how I respond to things, but I can't control everything.
Three, get that body moving, get out and release those endorphins sweat, right? Show up for yourself there. 4 follow a meal plan. That meal plan is 3-4 or five meals. But every time you hit one, that's a micro victory for you, right? These are little guardrails throughout the day. They keep saying I'm winning, I'm choosing health, I'm choosing happiness, I'm choosing me.
And then five, I always say the most important one, don't sabotage yourself and and create a life you need to escape from, sustain from drugs and alcohol, Pull those things out like create a life that you're so happy and content with that you never need to escape. And when guys start doing that and it happens one day in the two days, two days into a week, week in the two weeks, 2 weeks into three months, they're a completely different human being.
And then they take on that new identity, and that new identity is the place now the new standard. Totally, man. Those are the five negotiables you referenced earlier. Yeah, those are it. Yeah, I, I can totally relate with all, all of those, man. I feel like from a practical standpoint, people overcomplicate things like the, the, the beauty of it is just
the compounding of time. And if, if you have those non negotiables in your life, like I've been doing keto now for, for 10 years, I'm in strict keto without a single deviation 10 year span. And it's easy and effortless to me because I operate within a realm of non negotiables. And so many people look at decisions they make throughout the day, and every one of those decisions taps into your limited, finite resource of willpower. There's a reserve, then you've only got so much of it.
But if you set non negotiables in place where you're not having to allocate all this decision fatigue to making these choices, then you're not tapping into that willpower and it just becomes effortless. It becomes sustainable. And that, compounded over time results in whatever outcome you desire. So it's 100% right. It's like when guys resisted at first, there's always this one because it's different for them, right?
But when they get 3 or 4 weeks in and they stop like negotiating with themselves and they just execute the plan, then they realize, wow, I have so much more mental space. I have so much more energy because I didn't realize how much decision fatigue was happening on a daily basis, right between what I'm going to eat, what I'm going to eat it, how I'm going to respond, my body is going to respond to
that. So much goes into that when you just remove it and say this is what I'm eating, it's non negotiable. This is when I eat it. This is how much I eat of it and here's why I eat it. I know why I'm doing these things and it's just, it's just execution, right? It's we're not chasing flavor, but we're just saying this is my fuel. It allows you to go and start new businesses, create the partnership of your dreams, you know, attract the woman of your
of your dreams. It like it's so much more opens up when you just release the that decision fatigue and just say this is just what it is and I'm not going to negotiate with myself. Not to mention like from a, a, a sheer meal prep stint, like when I'm going to prep, when I'm a competition prep, I have all my food meal prepped for the week.
It's in Tupperware ready to go. And I just don't ever think about it and I don't ever deviate from it because I don't want to waste the food and it's always cooked and ready to rock. And like, if, if all of my clients just simply did that, like had everything because I, I, I changed macros on a weekly basis. So I've got everything allocated for the week. If I've got that meal prep dialed in, the, there's just, there's no, there's no room for
failure. Like you can have everything else fall around apart around you, but if you get that dialed in, then you're still going to be making forward progress and momentum. But like, just simply doing that not only allows you to reach the goal much more effectively and efficiently, but also the amount of time and money you save in going out, getting something to eat and going to a restaurant, looking at the menu, like all that nonsense you can just do
away with. The totally true man, it's that's the that's that's the beauty that I try to convey to guys. I'm like, you guys don't realize, like you may look at it as well, I'm eating the same thing every day or all these things. But like when you really value your life and what you can give to this world and you realize how much stock you're putting in to just random food and you remove that decision and you trust like this food is going to help me become the person I want
to become. It's going to give me healthier thoughts. It's going to give me a better looking body. It's going to raise my confidence. Then you, you never go back. You slowly realize like, wow, why did I wait so long? And it's really not that they wait so long. I always say to guys like, this isn't your fault, man. Like, you just didn't have the knowledge, the competency to know how to put this together. You know, like, think about it, Robert. Like, I don't know you.
Are you married? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like you, you get married right now. You got to be the best husband, right? You got to adapt to this other person that's had this whole other life, and now they're in your life. And now there's always growing pains in the first couple of years. If you run a business, now you got to run a business every day. You got to execute systems and you got to please customers, and you got to get customers and you got to deliver. And, oh, now we have a baby.
You know, I got to be there for the baby. So I got to be the perfect dad. Oh, we need vacations for this family. Oh, I got to plan those vacations. And hey, don't forget about retirement. Oh, you got it. I got a plan for every time. Hey, these kids are going to need to go to school. School. So you got all these things that the man is man is responsible for, right? It's like, oh, and now I got to
look the part. It's like, and did that fall so low on the totem pole, Right. It's like, I just need to get to the gym. Like, as long as I like, I say I'm good, man. I got an hour routine. Yeah, but are you getting good results with that hour routine? You just checking the box. If you're not getting results that you're proud of, then you're just going through the routine. Which 90? Fuck 8% of the people that go to big commercial gyms go through
the same routine. They look the same year and in year out. I'm like, why do you even come? You know, like at least be, be confident in the area that you're investing an hour in so you can get the results that you're coming for. Yeah. And so that's a big piece. You know, that's a big piece of it. It's like, if you're going to do the work, why not actually look the part?
Why not feel the part? And you know, you, you can do that with just getting the right information and then applying it. And then just like you scale your business, just like you scale your marriage, you scale your health and Wellness with a system that's repeatable and and is guaranteed to give you the results that you want and you
calibrate along the way. So I tell guys like once I give you the system and give you the blueprint right on the tow boat, but eventually I just become the guide. And that's always a great place, man. I love when guys get to this place where they get the results and they have not been able to get in years. They get a lot more interested because they believe again, you know, they start feeling like, dude, I haven't been this way since I was in college wrestling.
I haven't fit in these clothes in 10 years. It's like now they see like, maybe it's not too late. Maybe I'm not too old, maybe it's not. Maybe I don't have bad genetics. Maybe I can do this. And that's the gift, you know, that's the gift that I love. From my experience being able to give to other men. A. 100% men. So I'll definitely talk about the training, but before we do that, let's talk about the
nutrition. So we talked about the meal prep and the importance of removing the variables from the equation in that regard. But how do you personally structure your nutrition? Like are you following a specific type of diet are you doing and what what are you doing? Yeah, so I've done it all for me, which worked with what I ended up going back to when I look the way that I looked, which is 30% body fat, I had inflammation all throughout my body because I was drinking Ipas
and that was just causing havoc. I was eating seed oils, fried foods, French fries, pizza, all these different things. I just went back and said like, all right, I need to scratch everything and I need to get to a place of what's going to work for me and what's sustainable. And I remember when I was in college, I had AD 1 baseball player was on track to go pros. He was super dialed in with his discipline and his training and nutrition. And he taught me a little bit
about nutrition. And then that led me to this path, my last year of college and early into my, my professional career of just eating a very specific way. And that was kind of like the chicken and rice method, right? And, and, and I remember feeling and the most accomplished because I had something that had that that worked for me. I felt good and I didn't have to think about it.
And then when I started reading, this is the type of body that I want, the body that I wanted, the people were eating a certain way and that was macro based. And so that was like, OK, chicken and rice, you know, was the way, you know, I went back. All right, so chicken and rice is what style of training? It's it's progressive overload, It's a purgy free style training. So that's where I started. I said, all right, I'm just going to pick this.
I'm going to pick macro based eating and progressive overload, have purgy free style training. And I'm going to find a way to integrate that into my life. And so I'm going to eat 456 meals a day and just see where I go. And so that's what I did. And that led me to, you know, within 90 days, I had a huge transformation. I lost 18 lbs. I got my body fat down to like 15% and it was like, all right. And then from there I just kept growing and going deeper in that area.
So that's what I teach guys is we we still eat the foods that we love, but foods that are optimal for us. Like, yeah, I love fried chicken too, but it's not optimal, right? So it's an example. But yeah. So my my style of training is really have perfectly style of training, low intensity, low impact cardio. And we complement it all with a macro based meals. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's back to the bases, man. It's the simple stuff.
Like, it's funny because people, when they're inundated with options, they wind up choosing nothing or bouncing around from one thing to the next far too frequently and never having the staying power to actually see results with any one thing. But like when I look at my nutrition, I mean, I eat a lot of meat Nicks. Like I'm like I said, I'm doing keto, but it's all macro base. Like I know what my macros are. I'm have got target macros. I manipulate those.
I hit those gold numbers comprised of the real foods that I enjoy eating. And my training is super simple, man, progressive overload, you know, standard 8 to 12 reps on most sets, three to four sets on most movements, compound lifts, progressive overload, like literally bare bones basic, you know, foundation of the pyramid. But like, if it's if it's been proven to work decade after decade after decade, like there's a reason that's the primary foundation.
So when you step away from those basics and you start doing, you know, your orange theory with your juice detox cleanse with your, you know, semi glutide, you know, GOP ones, and you start throwing all this random stuff in like nothing ever happens. 100% man, that's, that's 100. Most of the guys that come to me, I'll ask them, they're all overweight. Most of them are, you know, twenty, 3040% body fat. How many meals a day? And that's the thing. They only eat 2 meals a day.
Well, that's the thing, right? Like your fasting protocol is no longer working for you, but you heard that that it was going to cause weight loss, but were you realizing and you're super deficient in a lot of other nutrients. So you're craving and you can't control those cravings once you have them. So you're eating back all those calories at night. Like let's get something that's sustainable for you and always finding that pattern of like, when can you eat? When can you train?
Let's just build something around your busy schedule and, and something that works that's sustainable and isn't overly complicated. So Whole Foods, single ingredient, easy to execute. You could do this whole thing on, you know, less than 45 minutes on Thursdays and on Sundays you need 3 pieces of equipment and air fryer, a rice cooker and a frying pan. Can you manage that? Yeah, like that's it. Let's get to it and we just build it out really simple. But like you said, the training,
keeping it basic, man, the same. Like you don't need to be doing one handed, you know, hand stands with a ball in between your legs and crunching all like, bro, just grab a barbell, right? Do the same thing that's worked for freaking 50 years and it's, it's, it's easy. It's simple, but it's not easy, as I like to say, right, because you just, you have to get comfortable with just going deep and, and continuing to get better and progressing in it. And that's what I loved about it.
Robert. Like for me, I knew like at my age, I wanted to pick something that I wasn't going to get bored of and that I wasn't going to be looking for another solution in a year or two. And I knew with, with I ended up like getting really into bodybuilding. I can completely transform my life because I knew I can go deep here. There is no end, you know, there is no, I've achieved that. I ran that marathon, checked the box like because I'm always going to be validating myself on
getting to that result. We're here. It's like I'm just going to focus on the habits and I validate myself on the habits. And a man that validates himself on his habits and his rituals can't be stopped, right? Because he never has an end point. He creates happiness every single day. And that's what I needed because I was super. I was just a miserable dude, right? Like I was successful and did my thing at work, but I really wasn't a pleasant father to be around.
I wasn't a pleasant husband to be around. I was grouchy. All these things started stemming from my insecurities that I didn't realize until, you know, I took a deeper look into like, why am I behaving this way? Why am I acting this way? Why am I short with my wife? Why am I irritated with my kids? And all of it came down to like, I'm not comfortable in my skin and I'm not comfortable with my skin 'cause I know I'm making decisions that aren't in my best interest.
So you said you were at the the height of your unhealth when you were around 42. How old were your kids at that point? My one son was three and my other son was about six months old. Gotcha. So pretty young for sure. I've got a 2 1/2 year old right now. Yeah, did, did at that age. They're not really, you know, passing judgement on how you're looking because they, they don't really think that far yet. But.
That's right. When you're looking at them, you know, three and six months, I'm assuming you know you're, you're probably because like as parents, we try not to judge. But as parents, it comes with a territory like you're always judging other parents. And for me, I look at other parents, like when I take my kid to the park and I see other parents that are morbidly obese, unable to get up and play with their kids, just looking at their phone while they're eating
an ice cream cone. Like I don't ever want to be that person. That's right. And I'm assuming you probably saw that kind of in the horizon if you continue down your current trajectory? Yeah, that was it. That was that was the big why. You know, they say your why should make you cry. Somebody had said that to me and I said, you're damn right it should. Like it's got to be that deep and that important and otherwise you're just not going to do the
work. And for me, I knew I was going to have standards for these kids, right? I have two boys. I knew that I needed to, I needed to set a precedent for them. And I was, I was justifying my comfort because of my career success. But I knew they don't know careers. They don't know what a headhunter is. They're gonna be, oh, my dad, some fat shit. But he's, you know, successful business. Like my dad was super out of weight. And I was sometimes like, why
don't you clean it up here, Dad? You know, like get yourself together. You know, some of these other guys, they, they don't, they're fit and they're your age. Like, what's your excuse? And so for me, it was like, if I'm going to if I'm going to ask them to be a certain way, like I need to be able to be an example for them. And so like I scaled it out like, OK, let's just say I continue this. My one son is 6, my other ones three. Now three years later, the other
one is 9, the other one six. Alright, how are they looking at me when I tell them, hey, you gotta push yourself. Hey, you gotta challenge yourself. Hey, you gotta, you know, get through the uncomfortability and now all of a sudden I'm, I'm 40% body fat and now I'm 60 lbs overweight, right? And they're going to start to wonder like, why aren't you doing this in your own life if it's so easy, you know? And I just knew like, that's going to, that's not going to sit well with me.
And I was like, I need to go out and, and be the example. I need to be the standard. And luckily, Robert, I did because by the time one son was 6, my other son was three, I was on the other side of this. So they only know dad as this side, but they see all my Instagram things and they're like, God, Dad, you were not, you know, you were chubby Dad. Yeah, that's the old, like when you were at the other part, you didn't look that part, but you always trained.
And I was like, yeah, because. Well, I knew. I knew one day I'm going to be different, you know, But my one son would just sit there and he'd see me go to the gym, be gone for two hours between the ride and all that stuff. And I just knew, like, he doesn't see it now, but by the time he's competent, he's going to know like Dad did things other people weren't willing to do. Yeah, you got to live by example, man.
Like if you're not, if you're not walking the walk, then the words that you're speaking are totally hollow. That's right. And that's the most important thing I try to teach the guys that are overweight. It's like you don't think your 18 year old questions, like questions what you say at times because you're not living a living example, you know, like he doesn't know how much money is your bank account, nor does he really care. Yeah, he just cares that he's gonna be part of his dad.
And that's a, that's a, that's a visual representation. You are your brand, you know, like, and kids, man, you kids treat a well fit man like they, they, they act to a man you, you're super shredded man. So guys see you, your shirt off or kids see you your shirt off. They look and treat you like they just saw a supercar, you know, like, Oh my God, look at this guy. He's got ABS. He's like a muscle, you know, like they don't know the
difference, you know? So I'm like, well, unless you can go out and buy a supercar, yeah, which most of you can't, you might as well do the work and create your own supercar with your body, you know? And most likely that will those habits will lead you to being able to buy your own supercar. 100%, man. So this is interesting. So I've, I feel fortunate because, you know, I fell into the sport of bodybuilding and, you know, eating right at a
pretty early, pretty early age. Like I started lifting when I was a junior in high school and I had a after college. Like I did my first show in college and then I went the corporate route for like 2-3 years and I was still lifting and training and competing while I was in corporate. But then I just quit that and started my own business in the health and nutrition space. So like I've had the the advantage of like building a life around my passion for
health and fitness, nutrition. So there's never been a time that I let myself go, so to speak. But a lot of people, that's not the reality. Like, they were like studs in high school and maybe even college with, you know, baseball, football, whatever sport they played. And then they got the career path kind of like what you're talking about. Totally gave all that up, got married, had kids, got busy, whatever the case may be. But then they're trying to
return to that. And then you've got another demographic who was never healthy and fit to begin with. And they're starting from Ground Zero at an older age. And I mean, when you look at the the rate of like it's pretty easy to preserve muscle once you've built it. Like it doesn't take much to preserve muscle. It takes quite a bit to build muscle, doesn't take that much to preserve it. Like if you keep it in use and keep it in demand, like it sticks around.
But if you've let it go or you never had it to begin with because this was never part of your day-to-day routine, kind of getting that demographic back to a healthy baseline and then building from that, that's a pretty hard object to get rolling. Totally doable, but much much more challenging than if this was just ingrained to you from early age. Yes, you're totally right. It's a different guy. Like most of our guys, I'd say probably 90% of my guys are Uncle Rico, you know?
Yeah, you should have saw me in high school, you should have saw me in college. You know, they, they have that background of doing the work and being good in sports and being proud of that. But they lost their way and they've most of them always just all doing some sort of training or maybe they've stopped training for three months and like, all right, I got to get back on it.
But they weren't, they didn't look the part because they didn't have a system, right, that was going to give them the results that they wanted. And then there are other guys that are like, you know, feeling the pressure of of society now where they're like, hey, man, I got to do something about it. You know, my wife's like riding me hard. My habits aren't there. Like, all right, what? You know, but I've never gone to the gym. Like I'm not, I don't even know what to do in the gym.
It's like, yeah, it can be a big scary place if you haven't been to one, right. So it's like my goal is like, I don't like, I say no to a lot more people than I say yes to for clients because I've got a wand. Be able to know that you're committed to, to getting the outcome right and you're willing to do that work. And then if you are and you have the right resources and the right attitude, then I'm going to meet you where you are, right? And that's like, hey, we're
going to walk before we run. We're going to download something that's simple around nutrition that works for you. We're going to get some sort of cardio worked in and we're going to start working on the ABS, strengthening our lower back. And week by week, we're going to calibrate and we're going to progress. And that slowly just gets them building that little bit of momentum and that confidence for showing up for themselves because that's the most
important thing. And then we'll incorporate. All right, let's get a set of dumbbells, right. Let's start, let's start picking those things up. And, and why that's relevant is because my experience of always being lifting and everything, I didn't get started till right after COVID hit, right? COVID hit and I was, I had, I had realized just before COVID I needed to do something about it.
And then this thing hit. And so we were all in lockdown and then they picked up the drinking again and drinking led to pizza and bad eating. And then I just woke up hungover one day and I was like, it's just got to stop. Like it, the pain has got to stop, you know? And then I was like, but I don't have anything here. Like gyms are closed. And I went and I in this black bucket that I had from when we had moved from Florida to to Charleston. And I was like, I got 25 LB
dumbbells in there. And that's where I started. I just grabbed them. I opened up like YouTube and started finding, you know, at home workouts with 25 LB dumbbells and found like a 15 minute workout that felt like it was an hour and 50 minutes. And I remember those 25 LB dumbbells being like, damn, these are a lot heavier than I thought. You know, it's like I can't even shoulder presses, son of a bitch.
But I was like, all right, my goal is by the end of this whole thing, like to make these things light again, you know, And it was like, you just go on stages, you set these little micro goals, like every day I'm going to come in here for 15 minutes and then it's going to be 20 minutes and it's going to be 30 minutes. So there's no, if you have not done something up until this point, it doesn't mean you shouldn't do anything. There's always a starting point.
You just got to get somebody that can meet you where you are. And you got to start picking some habits that are that are better than the ones that you currently have and that will slowly kind of build on to the compounding effect. Yeah, it's. I mean, anything is better than nothing. And like, it's funny, I documented my very first, you know, workout session when I started lifting and I was using, you know, a green igloo ice chest with a beach towel over the top of it as my bench.
And my Max bench was 60 lbs at the time when I started, you know, it was just pathetic. But I mean, you got to start somewhere and let the the risk of not starting and not building those habit routines far outweighs the risk of making yourself look like a fool for the first month or two when you're figuring this stuff out. That's totally true, dude.
Like I try to give change perspective for guys cuz has been like, I'm 4045. I'm like, let's just say the average age is 75. You're comfortable telling that story for the next 30 years. Like you think if your body's going to stay the same, it's going to be like a slow blowing frog. It's going to get worse. You know what it means? And you're, you're, you're totally saying like, I'm comfortable just using this excuse for the next 30 plus years, you know, regardless of
the outcome. And man, like, and nothing gets me more when a guy's like 30 or 40 and he's got sleep apnea and he's guys sleeping with the Darth Vader mask on. He's got like little kids. I'm like, scare the bejesus out of your kids and they come in your room in the morning. Like, what the hell is wrong with Dad? And they like, they're, they have this like cognitive dissonance, like they don't even see a problem with it. Yeah, I'm like, man, there's a way better way that you can be
living. You just gotta put some effort towards it. Yeah, so much this stuff is totally reversible, man. Like when people talk about joint pain and inflammation, like I I can't tell the number of people I've talked to that are type 2 diabetic because their lifestyle, not because of anything genetic. And they freaking open up a gallon size Ziploc bag full of all these pills and potions and prescriptions at the end of the
day before they go to sleep. And it's like all of that can be done away with by just changing lifestyle factors. So you're telling me that you would rather eat your Ritz crackers and Oreos and sit on your ass and smoke a cigarette and drink a beer, then put in an hour worth of work in the gym, change your diet a little bit and get off all that crap and live your life to the fullest? And it amazement people don't just automatically do it, but people just get stuck in their
ways, man. It's, it's, it's, it's unhart, it's just settling. It's just. Unsettling it is. It is my my experience was exactly that. Like when I was 42, I felt like I was 42. I even felt older and I just like couldn't believe it. Lower back pain. Every single joint hurt right? I then my skin started breaking out with rashes like I was so achy and I'm like, my buddy's like man, you're 40. That's just what happens. And I'm like, there's just no way like this.
Like who am I going to be in 10 years? Like I'm not going to be able to play with any anything with my kids. I was like, there's just no way. Like there's just no way. This is just because of age. Like this has to do with my habits. This has to do with the way that I'm eating and treating my, my body. And sure enough, once I changed the way that I, I things that I ate and the way that I moved, even though I put myself through grueling workouts everyday, all
of those symptoms went away. My joints became healthier again. There were no aches, I didn't have any lower back pain. I was like, I might need back surgery. I don't know what happened. So when guys come into me and they give me these symptoms, I'm like, yeah, no, it's just cuz you're not moving dude. And you're not feeding your body the right way. Like within within 90 days all their blood work is better.
Like the the LDL, the cholesterol, the free testosterone, like all these markers are better just from simple lifestyle changes. So I agree with you 100%, it's just they don't know. They don't know what they don't know. Yeah, totally. They got to be willing to bet on themselves, or that's the biggest thing. You know, I always say we, you have to go on a journey of self developing. You need to be working harder on yourself than anything else in
your world, right? Harder than than you work at your job, harder than you work at being a husband, harder than you work at being a dad. You need to invest in self, and you need to use training and nutrition as pieces of those puzzles to develop self. And when you do that, you're in 100% better position to serve all the people and the things in your life. Yeah, 100%.
And once you do it for long enough, like when people are are just starting like it seems like a freaking hiking up Mount Everest, you know on a whim when you're looking at the nutritional changes, the training, all that stuff. But once you do it, like it becomes just as much part of the day as brushing your teeth. Like you don't even think twice about, Like I don't think twice about the food I'm eating or getting out and moving my body, picking up some heavyweight.
Like it's just as much part of the day as brushing my teeth. And it doesn't take any extra willpower. It doesn't take any extra effort. Like it just simply happens by default. Yeah, 'cause you don't, you, you're like, I'm not going to negotiate with myself. This is just what it is. Totally. And then it becomes so automatic for you. And that's, that's the best
part. Like I was explaining like when client, I get clients over that, that hump, you know, like you can, you can see all the testimonies that we have. It's all the same thing. It's like, I love that I no longer have to think about this anymore. Like this part is on autopilot for me. And for so many years it caused so much pain and agony and
decision fatigue. And just like disappointment because you get a little bit of success and then give it all back, you get stuck and you not know why and you stop believing and then you start, you know, making bad decisions again. But when you push through it and you get through that first kind of 30 days, 60 days, 90 days, enough to to kind of get ahead to where you're like, damn, it's working.
Then that piece becomes a little bit of addicting, especially for guys I've noticed over 3540 years old. It's like when they become believers again, maybe put a lot more interest and energy behind it. And that's, that's kind of when the magic happens and they start then want to be like, OK, I'm going to start creating this better version of myself. And that's, that's a big piece of, of the of the process and how training and nutrition will be pieces of the puzzle to help you do that.
Once you start to experience the benefits, you get more excited about that and the possibility of what's to come. Then that momentary high you get from when you eat that piece of cheesecake and drink that beer or whatever the case may be. But like once, once the results overcome the excitement from that momentary, you know, just splendor of whatever frivolous thing you're throwing your mind into. Like that's how you know you're hooked.
The 100% I've had clients say that to me and because I, I've said it with them, I'm like, do I want when I see an Oreo, like I, there's a part of me that's like, I want to take down a whole row. Like I don't eat too, I eat a whole row with those things. But then I've done that before and then I go, all right, let's play the tape. How do you feel tomorrow? I'm going to feel like shit, right? My digestion's going to be off. That's going to impact my meals. It's going to impact my workout.
And guess what my negative self talk is going to start coming up. You lose her. You failed yourself. You didn't do what you said you were going to do. And now my wife's going to call on me for something or what I'm going to do. I'm going to snap at her like it's her fault. Fault. But really it's because I've had this negative self talk going on all day. How do I know this? Because I've done it so many
times, right? And so now I associate way more pain with eating that row Oreos than I do the pleasure of the enjoyment that I'll get for that next 10 minutes. And when I get to that place and they start making those decisions on their own, it's just so rewarding to hear them. It's like, no man, I'm just not going to eat all that because I know how it's going to make me feel. And I like feeling this way as opposed to way that that's going to make me feel. Will it taste good?
Yes, but it's very short lived. And that's when you know they've taken on the new identity A. 100% Do you still do the head hunting or is that totally a thing of the past? No, we still do it. We still dominate that space. My wife is the president and I'm very, I'm not, I'm involved very little. She's over the course of the three years that we launched the second business, she got heavily involved with me. So she learned all aspects of it. So now I'm on the front end of
business development. Like when clients come in through, we dominate. We're number one on Google for the niche that we're in for that. So when leads come in that way where we get referred, I'll kind of make sure it's a good fit and I'll onboard the client. My wife will do run that whole project and then I'll kind of just oversee it. But 9099% of my time is invested in Dad Bot sculptors. Well, let's talk about business,
man. I love business entrepreneurship as much as I love fitness nutrition. So you launched Dad Bot Sculptors? What year? 2023. 2023. So I mean, yeah, 20/20/23 yeah, last last July. And what does that look like? What's the evolution of that as a brand, as a business like? Would you start out with how is your marketing like? What what's your offerings like? Talk to me about the business side. Yeah. So I my other business was purely Google and LinkedIn, right?
Those are the only two platforms I knew people would search for us. I built an SEO machine, which is search engine optimization. So when people would say best product management headhunter or I need a product manager or I need a product, a head of product, we would dominate that those results and then they would come to us and then they'd find me on LinkedIn and that's where I would find our
candidates, right. And LinkedIn was a big professional network for me. So when I started to get the idea of I'm not, I'm not just this or that, like this was becoming a huge passion of mine. This, this helping men, right? Because I was like, I've helped these businesses scale, but every single one of the guys that I've helped scale those businesses look like I looked. And so I know that they feel the
way that I feel. So I want to not only help the business, but I want to help the people running those businesses so that they can enjoy the fruits of their labor when they have an exit or they have a scale opportunity and they monetize on it. Like how, how can they now enjoy that part of it? And so that my mission was like this and that I helped the business scale and the people of those businesses scale their health and Wellness. And so that sat for a while and I prayed on it.
And I was, I didn't know how it was going to come about. And then just one day it was like, it was like, coach, you're going to coach people. Because I had been helping all these guys over the years in the gyms, like I was only I'm making changes, you know, I'm like, what are you doing? You look different. How did you do that?
What are you doing there? So I just loved when I gave somebody a tip or a trick or I helped them with a meal plan and they came back to me and they had that result. Like that was just super fulfilling for me. So I knew, all right, this is what I want to, I want to go try to launch this. My wife's like, I got the business. Go and put your energy towards this. And so I thought, all right, that's not LinkedIn, right? Like it's, it's Instagram.
I didn't even have an Instagram account in June 2023. So I told my wife, all right, as soon as 4th of July is over, I'm going to I'm going to lock this down. I said go away for 10 days. I need to figure out how to spell Instagram right? Like I don't know anything about this thing and I just started doing it and I just challenged myself everyday. I'm going to put a piece of content out everyday and I'm going to figure out like how to get people to start liking my stuff.
And I grew it to like 10,000 followers in, you know, very short period of time. And then I realized, like, all right, this is kind of the minute I've got my, my content out. Like it was going to be based on kind of gym motivational stuff. It was going to be family stuff and it was going to kind of be thought leadership stuff. And then I started building the program and saying, like, all right, what would, what if I were to go back, who was the
person I needed the most? And what did they give me to, to shorten my learning curve? What took me 4 years? If somebody put together a program, how can they help me get there in 12 weeks? And so that's where I started building a program that was designed around the person that I needed most. Then I was going to give that to the to the market. And so that's how I started building then the program and the offer and we launched, you
know, a year ago. We've helped over 100 men with transformations in, in a year time. And it's just been amazing the whole, the whole process of learning the platform at Instagram, learning how to make content, learning how to deliver content, learning how to sell people on, you know, getting on the phone and then figure out their pain and that whole sales process and then delivery aspect of it and then the marketing aspect of it.
And then getting on the podcast, like all these different things, like I like to say, it's like a video game. You just got to keep levelling up your skills, which I love, right? There's like, otherwise you're dying. And so now I'm the number one coach on LinkedIn. So I eventually in January, February, I said, all right, now I'm going to bring this to LinkedIn as well. And within nine months, I've become the number one coach on that platform for men over 35.
Nice man. What what what platform did you build? Like the the course? Anything like Kajabi or something like that? No, there's no course. It's all personalization. So I have my own coaching app. So people come on board, We do it an onboarding form, like an intake form, and then I come back and I build a couple things for them.
It's all personalized based on where they are, the resources they have, their busy schedule, their food preferences, all of these different components that allow me to come back and build them, custom training, custom nutrition, custom supplementation and custom cardio. And then we support that with daily access to me in a messaging within my app. And then we do weekly accountability check insurance. So every week we're calibrating. How do we do, how compliant were we?
And based on that compliance, how did our body respond? And do we need to work on getting more compliant and dealing with some of the issues that came up throughout the week? If so, let's give him, let's give him some advice and fix that. If not, let's look at the other pillars and see do we need to calibrate? And so every week we are getting, we get progress week after week because we're slowly,
I'm slowly connected to them. You know, like my part was alone and I even hired coaches and then message them and like 3-4 days go by and they wouldn't write back and I just feel like WTF, Like don't they care? You know when I get mad? So I was like, I'm not, I'm going to make sure that I'm accessible to these people all day. Like I, I need to live this life and let them know I'm doing this
thing with you. So that's why I said I said no to a lot more people than I say yes to now, because I don't need more clients. I need more success stories. I need more men that have enough pain in their life that are like, come hell or high water, I need to get this. I need to make this happen, right? And those are the people I know. They're going to be just as committed as I am to them. That's the way to do it, man.
Like when you're a coach and I've been coaching since 2016 and it's like so many coaches out there follow these like cookie cutter can responses. They, they have like, you know, one check in per week. Like I'm as individualized as it gets as well. Like I have, you know, daily communication with my clients because like when people are going through stuff and they've got questions, like they don't want to wait a week to hear back from you.
And then it'd be just like some canned cookie cutter response or like all those PDF downloads that are just like one-size-fits-all. Like that's, that's not really what people need. Like that they may have the nutrition and training stuff, but like the accountability portion is equally, if not more important than all the nuts and bolts. So you got to have that
component as well. Yeah, and that's another thing, like I've bought, I paid so many coaches throughout my career and when they send me a login and it's like, go through the courses, I'm like, now I'm a student. Like now I got to spend countless hours going through all this content. Like I just need somebody I can ask questions like, hey, I'm building a plane in the air, man. Like why am I doing this? How should I do this? Why is that the best route?
So I always teach guys, I'm going to simplify this thing down for you. You just got to show up and do the work. I'm going to tell you what to do, when to do it, how to do it. And most importantly, every single time we do something, I'm going to tell you why you're doing it. Because if I can give you the competency every single time around, why I'm saying yes to this food and no to that food, when I'm saying this much cardio versus that type of cardio, then that competency is going to
breed competence, confidence. Once you have the confidence, then you have something that will be with you for a lifetime. You'll be able to make better decisions around training, nutrition mindset forever. So you don't need to be a client of mine forever. You just need to go through this period where you put your head down, you take the cotton out of your ears, you stuff it in your mouth, and you become a student,
right? But you're not spending hours online doing it. It's like I'm going to build these plans very prescriptively. This is what you train, when you train, why you train it, how you train it. This is what you eat when you eat, how much of you eat. Here's why you're eating it, right? These are the supplements you're going to take and while you're
taking them. And then as we calibrate every single week and we see the body progressing, you're going to get feedback from me. And so you're going to be learning along the way. And so my guys are super busy, right? So like they don't have time to log into like like I've done, I forget his name, like Keto Warrior or Keto Greg O Gallagher. Yeah. I don't know if you know him, but he's a big keto guy. Great stuff.
But it was like all online. I had to spend all this time going through all this stuff and I was like, that didn't work for me. It didn't work for me because I'm a busy dad. I'm a business owner, so it's not going to work for my guys. Like I can't just give them a portal with classes. Like I need to be accessible and teach them and then give them a school community where we all chime in and we banter and put resources in there if they want to go to it, but they're not dependent on it.
Yeah, totally, man. And it's good that you've gone niche as well. I mean, you're like only working with a certain demographic people like, I feel like a lot of people try to appeal to everybody. And when you do that, you appeal to no one. That's right, my people. The common theme is they are me four years ago. Yeah, yeah. Almost all of them, you know, they're just like, that's the common theme and that's, those are the people where my
experience is relative. How is the podcasting been for? From a marketing standpoint, they've been working pretty well. Yeah, the podcast is great. So I've got agents that go and get me booked on podcasts like you. You spoke to the agent that got me booked on your podcast. And then I have my own podcast called Flip the Switch, which is essentially the basis of my life, right? Where like I had, I was a pivot point in my life and I had to make a decision.
Do I want to continue on this path or am I going to flip the switch and become the person I'm, I believe I'm supposed to be? And so the people that I bring on that podcast all have that theme, whether it's in business or health or in transformation or in a certain area of, of their specialty, Like they've all had to flip the switch and say, no, I'm going to go against the grain here. Do the uncomfortable thing for the bigger picture. So that I have, I think I have 15 episodes so far.
It it's time consuming, but it's great. I'm very selective on who I brought on that podcast and we've had good success with it. Yeah, podcasting is awesome, man. Like, I've been podcasting since 2016 and I love it. I mean, there's like no better medium, no better platform to talk with people, meet new people, get motivated, get excited, get, you know, educated. And it's just, it's, it's good like everybody wins, like every both parties come out ahead.
It's just a great networking opportunity as well. Yeah, it really is. It's just a great, I, I just love, I love talking to guys like you, you know, and, and it just, you get to learn their story. They get to learn your story. And then if one person hears this and they're, and it's like, and they take action on it, it's like we served a great, we served a great 'cause So I do love for that aspect. Well. What's in a pipeline, man? You sound like you get all kinds
of things cooking. What's what's you get? You excited? Yeah, brother. So that's a great question. So we're growing, right, like we're approaching. So we've had over 100 people that we've transformed. Now I'm approaching about 100 clients in the rotation actively and it's still me doing all the coaching. So what we're doing is working on scale. We're working on taking people that have gone through the program, done their own transformation, gotten out of their own way that are still
clients. And we're developing them as brand ambassadors, allowing them to go out there and kind of bring in their own clientele, almost like a real estate model. So to help expand that bot sculptors. So that's a really big project that we're undergoing and we've got two guys possibly going to move it to five guys by the end of the year that will be in that program.
And this is teaching guys how to go out and help people in their be their circle of influence, because once they get transformed, people in their circle are always like, what are you doing, man? How are you doing it? And instead of just referring them back to me, I want them to be able to leverage their experience and help people in their circle. So that's just basically taking what I've done and teaching people how to, how to duplicate that under my brand, under my model.
So dad bond scope, there's helping it expand. And we've got people in the UK, we've got people in New Zealand, we've got people in Australia. So it's, we have clients in Dubai. So the, the brand is, is is gone global in, in the 11 months that we've really been out there. That's awesome, man. Like there's more fulfilling than this line of work. Like been able to help people get their life back and then just see their eyes light up
with excitement for tomorrow. So when you get this dialed in, like when you get your nutrition dialed in, when you've got your training dialed in and you're like genuinely excited about adhering to it for the long term, like congratulations ladies and gents, you have found the fountain of youth. That's exactly it. I said the best part is when the guys say, I said this earlier, when guys say like, I haven't seen this weight since my 20s or something.
I'm like, why? Why that means so much to me is because they are tapping into the fountain of youth. They're like, damn, maybe. And they these days start changing the way that they dress. They start buying clothes that they would have worn when they were younger. They start feeling and stepping into that. I'm not this old man anymore. You know, that was a story I no longer tell myself.
And I love that because that's, that's what we need more of, more men that are strong and confident because that's the that's how they're going to raise their kids. You know, confident dads breed confident kids. Yeah. And so that's. Unsettling to me when I see people like living in the past, man, like when people just refer to their glory days as something that happened 1020, thirty years ago. Like I'm more excited, like I look better now than I did 10
years ago. And I'm that's going to be the same 10 years from now. Like it's going to I'm look better at 43 than I do at 33. And I feel like once you realize that and once you're excited about tomorrow, then the ceiling's been taken off and and you can do whatever you set your mind to. That's it, dude. And like so many people, I mean, I even like like, let people come up to me all the time. I'm sure you do right, because
you're, you're an anomaly. And when you look the part, like people just look and treat you differently. Like even my sons, he both my kids do jiu jitsu and we've had them in it like two years ago when I was at the beginning of this transformation. And then we changed schools and whatever and we ended up going back and now I'm on the other side of this. So the professor, the lead instructor is always like super curious about my lifestyle, right? And he follows me on Instagram
and loves all my content. And so he, he's always asking me questions about, you know, foods and supplements and all these different things, right? And so last night, I come in, I drop my kids off, my wife gets them out of the car, and he comes in and he's just like staring at me, you know? And I'm like, hey, what's up, man? And he's like, I mean, you, you, you got the sports car, you got the muscles, you got the full hair. Does it get any better than that?
You know, I was like, we're reverse agent, baby. That's what we got to be doing, right? We don't want to be coming in here as the old man. We want to inspire these kids because my kids going to be a weapon in a couple years. So I need to at least let him think I'm going to be able to kick his ass. And he said laughing, you know, but it's like, yeah, man, like. But that I know what he meant by that. It was like, maybe I need to get some of that. Yeah, You know, I need to get some of that.
I need to not, like, just keep telling myself the same old story, like I had my glory days in the past. I don't even engage with those people. Yeah. I'm like, man, you're also the guy that's like more invested in your sports team than you are in your own health and Wellness. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, I know. I'm kind of bringing it back to the nutrition questionnaire. I'm here to end with.
But I would imagine with your demographic, primary clientele, you get a lot of questions and interest around, you know, TRTHRT, I've been getting all kinds of podcast guests lately with that being the primary focus, Especially when people, you know, Crest 30-40, fifty years old, like if they don't have the right lifestyle patterns to begin with, like they just look to that as a quick way to gain momentum. Like, do you have a stance on that one way or another?
Oh yeah, for sure. I always tell guys let's get you through 90 days and let's do your blood work. But in the 1st 90 days you have absolutely got to get the right habits in. Otherwise you're just increasing your libido. Maybe you'll sleep a little bit better, but your body ain't changing. Yeah, right. It's like if I gave you $1,000,000 and you had a poor man spending habits, you're
going to waste that $1,000,000. You need to get the right habits installed and then you could look to explore those things. So I always say like I didn't get on, I get, I got on TRT a year and a half ago. OK, this was over 3 1/2 years of going the other way. My new nutrition was dialed in. My training was dialed in. My recovery was dialed in. There was no alcohol in my life. I had no bad habits, like I was pushing my body to limits that were just crushing it to help it
to grow. And then I explored it and then it became an optimizer. It helped in that process. My joints felt better. I recovered faster. When guys come in and they look at that as a magic pill, I said just do yourself a favor. If you think it's the magic pill, go sit in a men's TRT clinic for a day. 99.9% of the people that walk in that clinic will not look like they're on TRT because they don't have the other things dialed in.
They don't have the right nutrition, they don't have the right training, they don't have the right discipline, they don't have the right habits. So all you're doing is just wasting your money to increase your libido and get your TRT, but you're not optimized with that, you know, like maybe you'll be feel a little bit better, but if you really want to look the part, you got to do these other things first. That is probably the best response I've heard to that.
And all the podcasts I've had, like, go in there and sit in the clinic for a day, look at the people who walk to the door and ask yourself if you want to look like them, like. That, that that's very practical.
I love it. Yeah, it's the, it's God's honest truth because it's, it's not like when people like come to, they'll see a post of mine where I'm like, she was really like, oh, TRT, I'm like the the answer is yes, but it's it's it should be no, because you're going to think that that's the solution and that's not the solution. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like the TRT is it's an optimizer when you are optimized and you're dialed in on
everything else. But if you just look to that as a solution, you're going to you're going to be severely disappointed. Amen to that, man. Well Dane, I am glad that we got this conversation. We definitely keep the conversation going. Super excited for all you got in the pipeline. What's the website people go to learn more about you? Yeah, thanks for asking. It's just dadpodsculptors.com.
So www.dadpodsculptors.com and if you go there, you'll be able to see my story, all the success stories that we've had with clients. And if you're interested in compelled, you can book a call with me. Or if you want more information, you could download my free ebook which is right there on the site. Love it man. If you do any more podcast, holler at me. We'll do a podcast swap. I love you, get on your show. Yeah, absolutely, man. I'll have you on for sure. We'll try to make that happen
before the end of the year. Awesome brother, we'll keep killing a day and keep changing lives and keep in touch man. Thank you, Robert. I appreciate you, man. See you, bud. Cheers.