Well, hello, ladies and gents Roberts. Thanks kiddo, Savage.com, and today I've got special, repeat guests, Christina has back on the line. She is the brains behind the keto. Symposium an amazing conference that's going to be going live for the first time in person. This September, I'll be speaking there. I'm super excited about it.
Wanted to get her on the show to talk about that but we also do of into a lot of her work with genetics, epigenetics how your diet, and environmental factors can play a role in turning on and off certain genes. And we also do quite a bit into mindset, we talked about stoicism Philosophy, what makes the Mind tick and how that has an impact on your health as well. Thoroughly enjoyed the conversation. I've got a lot of respect for Christina. She is a wealth of knowledge and
she's a great person. I've got no doubt that you will take something from this. So that for their do is sit back, relax and enjoy the podcast with Christina Hess and we are live, Christina, how are you? How are you Robert? I'm doing wonderfully. Well, when did we record? The first podcast was that movie was January January. Okay. So it's been a little while. You've got the the keto Symposium coming up here and just just a little bit.
So I wanted to bring you back on and talk about that but I also kind of want to just dive a little bit deeper into some of the stuff that we touched on last time for people that did not listen to the first episode. Definitely encourage them to do so because you're a wealth of knowledge. But for those people can you give us kind of like a quick little Little little bio on yourself, so we can have some
context here. Sure, I am a licensed dietitian, clinical nutritionist and I went, I went ketogenic myself about five years ago. Found myself, insulin resistant, as a Durance athlete crossfitter. And as a result of just so much stress in my life and lack of sleep and also just turned 40. So I had to switch things up and I was very very inspired by a lecture given by Professor Thomas, Seyfried of Boston College. He's cancer researcher and what he had to say about ketogenic.
Metabolic therapy for cancer. Really blew me away because I working inside of an oncology practice Manhattan and, and it just completely changed the course of my life and the direction in which I've taken my practice, which You know, quite frankly even though I use other protocols it's my favorite for so many reasons and something that I specialize in also in my practice is nutrigenomics so its genetic.
So looking at the genes and doing genetic testing the genes that pertain to nutrient usage detoxification, you know your cardiovascular health, you know Certain hormones. And so it helps inform the kind of low glycemic plan to do, because the only thing anyone agrees about out there in a nutrition space, is that we should eat less sugar. So how much less sugar should be? Go all the way that super low carb? Should we have less red, meat more, you know, more something
else? Can you have the caffeine not have the caffeine? So, the genes tell a story and I like to put, you know, the lifestyle pieces support, you know, sort of from Health coaching perspective, support the person and their goals, but also look at their Labs. So, that's, that's how I run my my practice and, which is mostly Telehealth. But I do have an office and in Connecticut for those that are local to me, I love it.
I feel like genetics and epigenetics Index aspect of things is just incredibly intriguing and we talked about this a little bit in the last podcast but like I feel like from an epigenetic standpoint that that's a term that a lot of people are just now hearing and I feel like it's pretty powerful because it really kind of puts the ball back in your court.
So many people look at their genetics and by this is just what my parents gave me. Can't do anything about it, but then when they look at it from the lens of, you know, these, these jeans are getting turned on or off based off of your environment. The factors you nutritional decisions. You know, you're training modalities like all these things can have a very you know significant impact not just on you but on your kids. So I'm very much of the mindset that like no one is coming to
save you. You have to figure things out on your own and be responsible for your own actions and your own outcome. So like when you look at that, through the lens of epigenetics, and how environmental factors play such a role in turning these genes on and off. Like, I feel it's very empowering. I totally agree with you. I mean the genetics comes in kind of three major camps. It's you're looking at ancestry geneticists are really looking at single very fixed genes.
That pertain a particular diseases but nutrigenomics and Neutra. Genetics is looking at Family groups. You're looking at multiple Snips that are low penetrance which means they have a low impact. Our lower impact and so when you look at them together in groups or families, if you will, they do tell a story and you know, people do develop weird conditions kind of later in life. But that is the epigenetic expression of our lifestyle maybe how some of us handle
stress better than others. And and so it it isn't It isn't your destiny but but for sure it's the blueprint you came in with. So so it's just potential and you do have so much power with how you express your potential. And if there's something that is not as favorable, there are so many empowering things that you can do from a dietary standpoint from a supplementation standpoint.
And then just from lifestyle, Modification that that will just optimize those those groups of genes that may seem like a like a bummer deal. Yeah. Totally totally agree. And I feel like having people like you that can really dive into this and you know map that out for people that are not in the know when it comes to genetics is super super helpful because genetics have have kind of regain this since of Clarity, as of late especially when it
comes to diet and nutrition. There's been a lot of these companies pop up that have like basically you throw at them, they're your, you know, genetic data you like 23andMe test and you give them all the raw data and then they spit that into some formula and then they print off this PDF of all the recommendations for you. Are any of those really good? Are they all pretty much just smoke and mirrors and good marketing? I I can't really speak to those.
I haven't really seen those types of tests. I think that the data, there's so much data, right? And the thing is, is you're not you're not just a blanket report. So I think that's a little bit dangerous, to be honest with you too. Just say hey okay even even the test I like to run which does give you a 50-page report. It really does need interpretation because someone was say, okay well that's this is awesome. This is very interesting. Now what do I actually do with this?
Yeah. And what's helpful? What's really helpful is to talk to a professional and speak to them about your lifestyle. What is actually What is it? What is expressing? What has expressed? How do you how do you live already? What? Kind of tweaks. It's a lot of this is very nuanced. I'll give you, I'll give you an example. So, something that's very pertinent for folks, who like to
do, intermittent fasting, okay? So, there are a couple of their couple of genes to look at that pertain to both fasting capacity and eating windows. And there, there's a gene in the report I use. That's a melatonin. Scepter Gene that indicates it's been well researched that this this particular Gene has a higher.
It's a higher impact Which is higher impact Gene that is correlated to like to glucose if you eat late at night and makes you a lot more insulin resistant and would also make you Less sensitive to melatonin in the evening, as a result of late at night. So it impact your sleep furthering insulin resistance. Gotcha, so that's that's one example of. So someone with variants on on that area and then you look at, also the peep our family ppar
which is fat. One of the fat oxidation genes as very important for making ketones and feeling good while fasting because it has to do with just your general energy production utilizing fat. So look, Looking at these things as families, and also, maybe looking at carbohydrate sensitivity with tcf7l2 is another one. I like to look at. So, looking at these different numbers and letters together in groups and then finding out, well, what is going on for this person?
Are they are they eating late at night art? Because you, like I said, you're not just the report. Art, there's a whole world of things going on for you and then if you can also correlate it to some other labs or other data like say a CGM or an organic acids test things like that or super super helpful to start putting together your entire
store. Totally when someone's trying to when they're when there's some is trying to go through their life, kind of analyze, you know, what's working for them, what's not working for them? And what order would you suggest? People tackle, these various, you know, levers that they can pull, for instance, so like if someone's you know, standard American diet not training, has no clue at their genetics or looking like what do you think is the kind of, I guess order of attack.
So to speak with regards to People should focus their attention, shouldn't it should they start off? Getting a genetic testing? Kind of diving into what that data is showing them because that's going to paint the picture for what they should start to do with their training, in the nutrition or should they go? Yeah. It's my dream. It's my dream that everybody do this. Do this testing because it's a one-time test. You never need to do it again because your genes are not going
to change. And, and that gives you your blueprint, it's like trying to tackle a plan, a training. Lan or someone someone's cookie-cutter dietary plan and why it works for your neighbor but it doesn't work for you. Or why someone is training plan works for the for another person and for you, it injures you, so have it, having your data can explain. Why it is that you're so
responsive or non-responsive. And you know, the thing about low carb and ketogenic diet is that there's a lot of different weights to get into ketosis and you can do it by just being me and being a carnivore. You can do it you know, paleo style, you can do it more Mediterranean style, you Do it acting style. You can do it as a vegetarian or vegan. So how you do it?
It's may be very, very pertinent to your jeans and and that that's the reason why some people come to me and said, well I tried this, I tried this one plan and it was very, very high in saturated fat, because they're doing beef, bacon, butter and eggs and the scale is not budging. And then I look at the genes and and they have all these issues with saturated fats and that's not indicated for them leaner
Meats, lot more veggies. Let's do some olive oil, it doesn't, it doesn't mean eat sugar. You can still get into ketosis eating shaken and and eggs. Maybe fewer eggs or egg having more egg white and having some fish. So there's just different flavors of getting into Ptosis and how it how you do it and what's going to make you feel best has a lot to do with your jeans. Do you see that like in working with the clientele you have over the years? Do you see that? Give me pattern recognition
towards. You know what percentage of your clientele base are having issues with saturated fat versus those that aren't as that I can 50/50 split or is that a pretty small demographic? You know that it is going to be a smaller demographic because we were actually Ali designed, you know, to to have the saturated fat. So it's a newer, it's I would say a genetic adaptation, right? Not not but it's also from different ancestry groups.
So if you have certain genetics, that are more adapted to to agricultural Foods, you know, to a grain based diet, Ye you might it doesn't mean you will that you might have shifted also in the saturated fats. It's it. There is no pattern actually, Robert. Not that I've seen. Nope, I haven't seen every literally, everybody's report that area is, it's different,
it's different. And that's the thing is that even though 99.9% of us are the same, in the point, one, you have three to four million different variations between people and and so it's so many nuances that that You and I may share a lot of the same stuff and then on a couple of things, completely different. So, it's why I CJ, I've worked with many husband and wife, you know, partners, and they can they have to do their, their key do differently.
Yeah, it's crazy. I mean like my my wife Crystal she's been keto for almost as long as I have. I have been a and I'm curious to see, I don't even know how you would test this really but you know what? Implications are what what decisions that we've made over the past seven years or so have had an epigenetic effect on our son. Ryan, Jerome. I mean, it'd be really hard to quantify that in any type of measurable way, but we seem to operate pretty well on more or
less the same food. So like, I would imagine we've got some previous position to, to operate well with, you know, that same food type. I'd be curious to see. I mean, cause with this genetic test, like, all you need is a cheek swab, right? Like you do a cheek swab and your have you had anything? It's just yeah, that's it. That's so simple that it comes to your house, you collect it, you send it in and you get the results better months later.
Now, speaking of the epigenetic impact, it's it's been shown that soda diet. So what you eat impacts Acts those genes more than anything else. And it does affect about three generations down the line, so, and that's really a pertaining to a pregnant woman. So what a pregnant woman needs really can impact regeneration down the road. I mean, how convenient would it
be for like you? You know, go to the hospital for a birth and they just simply do a cheek swab on the newborn and then you have that Made it as just part of the normal process of giving birth and so, yeah, that would be, that would be amazing. That would be amazing. And you know, I what I wish is that people wouldn't be so afraid to do this type. It's not, this is not genetic testing where it's like, oh you're, you know, you're predisposed to get this terrible disease.
That's not what this is nutrition and genetics. So it's very nuanced and Like I said, a lot of these jeans, they are low impact so, but they together, they can tell a story. So if someone out there is really frustrated is feeling like their progress is slow or stubborn. They they may really benefit from a few tweaks, you know, it could be time frame. You asked about different levers. Without the genetics, I like to follow Peter, atilla's model of this relievers.
So the relievers would be time, restriction, caloric, restriction, and dietary restriction. So you know he says pull on all three for best results but one plug to pain or three but never pull none. So if you know what the dietary restriction for you is You know, maybe on a different day, you're not doing your dietary restriction, you're off plan, but you're pulling on the other two beavers you maybe close eating window, you don't eat as much of whatever it is that thing that is Off plan.
But knowing whether you benefit from a certain time window or not, is also helpful to see in the genes, I've come across some newer information to me. Anyway, it's not a doubt, it's new information, but An early time restricted feeding, where two groups of people were study given the same food. They're brought into the clinic in the same food and the early group was fed at 8:00 a.m. 11 a.m. and 2 p.m. So 2 p.m. was their dinner time and it was not a low-carb plan.
It was actually 50% carb and the group that was fed early, lost, thirty percent more weight. Wait. Then the other group that had a traditional 12-hour eating window. He's rude. Calories control. Yeah, I think calories were controlled and it was a group that needed to lose weight. So I don't know. I don't remember what the parameters were for entering that particular study but I've come across to other studies that are similar. So metabolic markers improving with early time, restricted
feeding. And and this could have a lot to do with. Also that melatonin You know, receptor Gene. So with people, we know that that your metabolism is like three times slower in the evening, like things start to shut down your pancreas your organs, as light dims, everything kind of goes is getting ready to sleep. So things are getting slower in the evening and so eating late at night isn't really good for anybody but some people Don't have the same risk for diabetes
that other people might have. So that's kind of what I'm talking about. But if someone struggling to lose weight and and closes the eating window instead of doing a traditional 7:48, let's say and that's not really working for them. Maybe just experiment with moving it up and maybe doing like an 82 or a 9 to 5. Hmm. Well so how does that day? Look like for you now with you experiment with this? Well, I I've been experimenting with it. I am doing a nine-to-five eating window.
It's I'm finding it easy. So it's too early to say, what the results are but and then a.m. to 5 p.m. hmm. Yep. Yeah, I was, I was before, just not really break breaking fast until one or two. So definitely, you know, switching that up. I kind of like that. I mean, I find that if I eat a really big meal before going to bed, I fall asleep.
Easier. It seems like, I don't have any, like, I feel more lethargic, I fall asleep easier, but the quality of my sleep seems to be diminished when I'm doing like a prep. And I train in the morning, I typically prefer training in the morning. I'll, I'll have a nomad meal. So all my calories for the day within about a two-hour window of training.
So like if I train it, You know nine o'clock the morning I'm eating at 10 or 11 so I'm definitely getting that meal in before you know long before I go to sleep. Oh yeah and that that's always worked pretty well for me. Honestly I get lean and I don't feel like my sleep quality improves. I just feel like that that's worked. Well just me doing that and really know the science behind the earlier, you know, protocol like you're saying but that makes sense.
Well, even with folks who wear an aura wearing, the or o-ring will start barking at you. About your HRV. If you know EV Tinley it'll it'll show the diminishment on your Sleep Quality. Yeah. Do you put a lot of weight and then like you have it? You have an ordering. I do, I do. I'm, I've fascinated by data. Yeah. I like I like that. I like data. It's foggy. I think it's fun. I find it fun to And defy and really understand. There's this one piece of understanding the biochemistry.
Like just what the heck is going on in this complicated, you know, biochemical computer, we got going and then there's this other piece. It's fascinating to me to which we talk a lot about last time which is why the heck do we do? What we do and of the more psychology peace, the mindset and all that is super interesting. To so kind of, I love all of it. Yeah, I find I find human
beings, endlessly. Fascinating, well, it's all interconnected like, that, that people have tried to separate, you know, the body from the brain. But like, you can't do the same listen to podcasts that they and they were trying to figure out know what, what defining factors makes a being sentient? And something was like it's just the brain like you could chop off your brain and put it on a robot. And that's a human because it's
All about the brain. But then as we've learned more about how, you know, like the gut microbiome is like the second brain. Like you can't really you can't really segment things like that, like it's all connected. I mean isn't a tree sentient. The the whole notion for vegans, you know, saying it's I think I think the the plants that they they're sentient to so that Doesn't really they have their own, you know, trees. Communicate through their roots and they have their own mechanisms.
Yeah. Yeah. It's restart going down the rabbit hole and it gets pretty. Trippy like Consciousness. Like what? Where does where does one's conscience come from a cow, right? I wouldn't rank a tree. Would have a conscience, but where is that line drawn? I don't know. Ya know we could we could go way off topic and Hypothesize about the force. You know, you know, sort of like the Star Wars, you know, May the force be with you. I don't know.
It's all of it is very mysterious and very interesting, and And I do, I do believe there's a whole, there's a whole world of, you know, and I love the science stuff, the stuff that we can quantify and look at. But then there's even even in genetics, for example, you have basically a whole set of blank, you know? Just Millions of view like you know, your DNA is actually blank. So what does that mean? You know, it's sort of Bruce Lipton, who is a geneticist.
It's kind of like he talks about the biology of belief. That was the, that was the title of his book and how, you know, your energy. Your Intentions your these underlying beliefs, you have yours that that Consciousness, right? It, it, it activates. Sells it, activates your biology that it's so it is. So it's so much bigger. I mean, now we're going down like a metaphysical path, but that's there's a piece. I believe. There's a piece to that, too.
Yeah, so what you think about you bring about, who you are, who you spend time with is he become like all this, you know, you really need to also put coach yourself into a more positive Bait to be healthy, you know. So I have this formula that I teach my clients that it's like a math formula. So it's like this time x consistent, D+ r+ relief, equals results, equals your excellent results, right? But it positive belief is sort of a key component that you having a better outcome.
Because you could, you could do something consistently over time and then have a negative belief about it and I really think then you get to have it be that way. Yeah, I totally agree. I feel like there's there's so much that we'll never even begin to scratch the surface on because we just can't simply know. And I feel like I come from a family of scientists, my dad's a scientist like all of his brothers or scientist I come from a family of very much so
black and white. You know, what does the data show And I totally like that style of thinking, I like the tangibility of, I like all that, but there's so many things that I don't know. That science will ever have the capacity to illustrate in black and white. And when you start diving into Consciousness, when you start diving into compassion, love all these emotions that we know to be real but can't really explain with some formulaic method, you know, like what great. Zone.
Does that lie in what we wear. Does that exist? I don't know. Well, it's been there, there neuro scientists that are studying, frequencies of certain emotions, like, love, and appreciation, and gratitude, and, and being in those states, does upgrade our biology. So You know, like you said earlier the body and the mind are connected, everything is interconnected. That's that's the functional way. So if you do, you can't separate feelings from your biology.
You know, your, when you feel a certain emotion, you are activating also sympathetic or parasympathetic response in your body and that let's say you are in fight or flight. You're going to activate a whole Cascade of chemicals. And and that has an impact on your heart and your and your brain and your body temperature and your decision-making and just It ultimately impacts your health outcomes. Yeah. So it is all interconnected. Yeah. Point.
I think it has a massive impact on our longevity. Like I don't know of too many, you know, old hags and Scrooge's that like live to be 120 years old. In function at a high rate. But like you, you hear these stories of people that don't necessarily have all the right, you know, Health, you know, actions like they're smoking or whatever, but they're really, really happy.
Loving grateful people. And those are the ones that seem to die of old age of the smile, on their face, and for whatever reason they seem to be much more robust, and those that are doing a lot of the right things, quote unquote, right things, but doing so, with this Aura of negativity about him, and I feel like there's, there's definitely something to be said there.
Yeah, well speaking as smokers it's so interesting because for exams a while I can you have a centenarian smoker and then have someone else who'd you know develops lung cancer at a young age and they never smoked, right? So we don't have all the answers to something like that but if you're looking at it through the lens of they genetics, right?
Then Detox capacity. And you're looking at all the genes nips that into detoxification and maybe that centenarian smoker as really great clearance. It's not that the smoking was didn't, it didn't cause harm and it was good for them is just they have they have this other potential like an Olympian who has the potential because Olympians there's no Olympian who doesn't have a very certain
genetic markers Fitness markers. Yeah. And and, and that there could be just a radical difference in detox capacity there, so, but yeah, you're absolutely right. I mean, positivity is Paramount to living a long life and I heard it said, once it really, really stuck with me, that if you want to live a long life, One of the key keys to longevity is the ability to process through grief quickly and that's
going to be true. Because if you plan to outlive everyone, you're going to lose a lot of people. Yeah. So you have to keep fighting your meaning and purpose for sticking around and that, you know, that's another reason, you know, what, why would you want to be around if your loved ones are gone? But If you keep keep appreciating, you know, the beautiful sunsets or you know, bringing a smile to someone else's face and then you're here for another day.
What have you found to be like, knowing that what have you done or implemented or, you know, read on personally and that has allowed you to adopt that type of resilience more efficiently. So, that's a really great question. Robert many years No, I was, I had such a fear of public speaking that I would turn into a puddle. I'd be one of the, you know, the, the crazy voice.
My, I would get flushed. I would literally start shaking, I might vomit if I had to speak and I would really wish that the ground would swallow me whole and I'm not kidding. It was it was so severe like the Panic was so bad. And and then here I am, you know, putting on a conference right? I mean it's who I've become today is radically different than that person. That was absolutely terrified of that.
And the one of the biggest tools that help me with studying heart math, heart math, is a method that came from the heart math Institute. And they study resilience, and they basically teach, teach how to change emotional state, how to, how to, how to be in control of that.
And it is a, it's a practice just like, just like doing reps, you know, it's a practice, it does not come easily, but It's not to say you know, you're never going to feel angry or sad or frustrated or overwhelmed because those feelings. They come sometimes on a daily basis. It's how quickly you can move through. I've never even heard of this heart math. Like what is it at a high level at what's the concept? Yeah, it is. It's an emotional resilience
program. It's really well researched Stress Management. And it's hard to CEOs, Navy Seals teachers First Responders and it's good for anyone literally. And it was great for me too, so that I could move Beyond. This is fear of public speaking that I had. That was so paralyzing. And keeping me from, you know, sharing sharing my knowledge, my
gifts. It was really getting in the way of me being my best self and for students who are having so much anxiety that they don't, they don't do well on tests for, literally anyone who wants to do better in life, it's a great program and it's great for athletes, you know, athlete choked all the time. Under competition example, I love watching the Olympic and Nathan Chen, who's the, who's the figure skater, who can do the for whatever Grudge?
People, jump thing he went to his first Olympics and he fell five times trying to do his jump. That he's so known for and it was just nerves, right? It's just the nerves, get the best of you because when you are nervous, you're not in a powerful emotional state, where your body that you've trained to do something over and over and over it, totally betrays you So, so the next the next day he was doing his short program or the pressures off is not going to, it's not going to meddle anymore.
He nailed all his job And that that says a lot of eight of his in a different emotional state. You know, pressures off, no worries, boom. And so, it's how it is. It's a great program for for teaching that. Have you dove into stoic philosophy? Stoicism at all. No, no.
Tell me more. So you need to look into stoicism so it is probably going to butcher it when I try to explain it here but basically, it was Popularized in, like, I don't know, the Roman era, the Greeks and Romans, like basically philosophers of that time we're practicing stoicism which at a high level is basically. I don't want to say emotionless because I don't think emotionless is the right word but basically taking whatever your environment throws at you and then reasoning through it.
Like the the environmental things that come your way or not necessarily good or bad. They just or and then how you On to those are a result of a well-thought-out reasoned response. So it's like Ryan holiday writes
about it at length. He's written like one of one of my favorite books is the obstacle is the way by Ryan holiday but all of his are great Marcus, Aurelius Anderson, the Roman Emperor, he was a big stoic thinker and it's been probably the single best thing from a philosophy from a mindset standpoint that I've adopted To just think more rationally and then act more reasonably honestly. I mean like I don't I mean, I still have nerves.
I still have emotions obviously, but I don't let those dictate my actions to the point of fumbling or failing and it's just like, like I can't believe you had heard it because I feel like the type of person that you are and what you're talking about right now, like you would just soak it up, but definitely encourage you to check out stoic thinking, It's not really a relief. It's not a religion. I wouldn't say I think it's just a way to unlock the. Yeah.
I've heard of the daily Stewart as a Blog. Yeah, yeah, I just I didn't really know the philosophy behind it. It's been super impactful to me. A lot of athletes have done it and for me it's like, you know, in business and for me my sport of bodybuilding, like there's just things that come your way that you don't really have a lot of control over. Like that's just the world, we live in like that. Was the case in 2020 with the pandemic. That's the case of politics.
That's the case with so many things and so many people allow those environmental factors to dictate their everything of their existence. It allows them to allow. They allow it to dictate their mood when they're having a good day or a bad day, you know, whether they're Frozen with fear or in a heightened sense of anger.
And it proper stoic is able to just take that environmental factor and then not let hit it, shake them to the core they just Simply act in the most reasonable manner possible with, you know, the the tools, their disposal, and I feel like that's just incredibly powerful. Yeah, so it's a it sounds like You know something like heart math is the avenue to getting to that getting into at State, you know? So it gives you the an operating system for the how to how to do
it, you know. So a good way to put it, I feel like there's there's just, I don't know, just so many distractions right now. Like, I've got a love-hate relationship with like, social media, my cellphone stuff, like I don't want, I don't have a TV, I don't watch the news because it's just so many distractions. But not, I mean at its core.
People have this, this lacking ability to just simply recognize what is important, what they have control over, and if they have control over it, it's this kind of goes back to genetics. We're gonna make this full circle segue here, so get ready. But like, people allow themselves to become just frozen out of fear of not, knowing how to respond, how to react in a given situation. This is the same with their
their thought. Thought towards genetics, they think that, you know, this is what their parents gave them. So they have no, no action, no plan of attack it. So they just they don't do anything. And that's often times lead to their demise and stoic thinking and, you know, genetics is like, look, you have these environmental factors that you can't necessarily change but how you respond to them can create a vastly different outcome so be reasonable real. Be rational rational and how you
do respond. So yeah, I feel like I feel Anybody would benefit from it, for sure. Yeah. So in the report that I run and the test that I like to use, there's a whole section on the mental health genes and how some people tolerate stress better than others and it explains why some people may have a tendency towards anxiety or or depression. I think it's so powerful to Stand the predisposition.
So that you you can also eat and live in a way that, that manages that, as opposed to just defaulting, right to a pharmaceutical. Yeah, totally. Totally agree. I've got, I've had several people in my family are not separately, but I've had a handful of people in my family that have struggled with depression in some form or another. And it's always been said to me to see people that are really
depressed. I mean, I've had relatives that have gone as far as like cutting themselves and just like really dark chapters in their lives. And it's sad for me to see because they they don't feel empowered and knowing that hey look you know, what you do with your nutrition? What you do with your time? Are you training? Are you getting good sleep? Like all those things can have a direct impact on. Going on your hormones, like all of this stuff. Your serotonin, like how you
feel? Instead they all default. To, hey, look, I need to get a drug that fixes this. And that's just, that's just takes the power away from them, which I feel is debilitating. Yeah, that food food, mood connection is real because as you said, the gut is the second brain and 90% of Serotonin is made in the dot. So it's that is absolutely real. There's another really great test. It's not expensive that I came
across a couple. Omega client, which is so for someone who struggles with low mood. They should really do a pin prick, test to assess their level of Omega-3, because omega-3 is so, so, so important for your brain and unfortunately, most people's ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 is just off just do due to our food and and you know even even For someone who's. So now, you know, following a low carb plan, getting off the sugar as one piece, but, but but what is the actual level of the
fatty acids, is another piece. So that's a great test to run to was that legal. Sorry, what was that one called? Again, you'll make a Quant. So I have I have access to that as well. Awesome awesome. I'll have to Link that out for sure. I would love to kind of switch gears living here towards the end and just talk about the the conference because I feel like
the conference's is looming. What are the dates on the keto Symposium Sookie do Symposium is in New York City on Friday, September 23rd and Saturday. September 24th, we kick off in the evening so we start with a 4:00 registration and reception the food drive Farm wine. Is this donated wine? Fine, we have exhibitors and then the kickoff with Keynotes and also special film preview from the cancer. Revolution, folks nagging, Brad Jones, and then Saturday.
It's all day. We have coffee service, starting at 8, and then we start promptly at 9:00. And we go, we go all the way to the end of the day and then we also have a VIP speaker dinner with all the speakers and Are three tickets left for anyone who is really interested in eating and spending time with the speakers, because man, if you tried to hire, everybody, that would just really add up. So it's sort of a really a Priceless thing to spend a few
hours in private with this. Speakers and you'll get a front row seat. But it only three only three tickets left on it. And this is, this is the first ketose imposing. This is the first year. It's been in effect, right? Yeah. Last year it was virtual because of covid. We couldn't do. The in first in-person was originally scheduled for 2022. I'm sorry 2020. And then we didn't that didn't happen, right?
And and so the following year in 2021 Was virtual and so, but this is the, this is the first in person. Yeah, so it's very exciting. So, this is really been two and a half years. Yeah, that's that's quite quite the time. So with, with there being that much time in the making, I'm sure this thing is just going to blow the socks off everybody, because you did. You've had enough time to get everything down then perfectly
totally amazing. Yeah, and I've never really spent much time in New York so I'm super excited to be there. I can't thank you enough for giving the opportunity to speak. So, what's going to set this conference apart from, from the others, I've been doing several conferences this year at every conference has their own, there's pros, and cons to each conference and I love them all. I learned something from every single one of them. What's going to be uniquely
different about this one? Well, this, this is a more intimate conference, you know, it's not going to be a big conference. Like keto con, we are limited to 200 seats in the auditorium and it So given that it's more intimate, you just have better access to their participants and the speaker's themselves and so, it has that more of, I don't know. I love that sort of more intimate, feeling less corporate feeling there. That all the topics are so interesting.
That all the speaker. We have such an amazing, such an amazing Lineup and it's varied. So we've got cancer being covered. We've got hormones, we've got mine set. I'm going to speak about this genetic piece. We've got fertility. And I mean, diabetes, and, and insulin, resistance and food addiction. It's it's just this whole this Range. Right? It and everyone is going to bring something different to the
table. So for anyone who say, has been uninspired or stalled out, or is really missing being with people or just needs to be immersed as that there, there's so much to learn or someone who just really likes to learn. Like, I love going offered this for that.
There's some special be said about the immersion aspect of competition feel like you know, throughout 2020 2021 when all the conference's are pretty much cancelled everybody in the keto space was just, you know, looking online there was some virtual conferences and those are good. But like now that we're getting back into the conference seen and I've been to several of them this year.
Like there's just something totally different with getting all these people under the same roof in the same room and just talking face to face like that, you can't. Replicate that through Zoom, you can't replicate that over a TV screen and it's true. There's just there's just something magical about it and when you're in it, like it makes you that much more confident in your decision to follow this
lifestyle in the first place. Like there's people that throughout 2020 2021 what kind of like on the fence about Kita. It's like yeah, you know maybe maybe there's something here. Maybe there's not like, you know, who knows? But then like you go to the conference and you like you're seeing all the Cutting Edge research. You're interacting with people. You're hearing these stories. Is of people that have lost 100-plus pounds.
Reverse their diabetes, you know, put their cancer into remission and say okay, how can I possibly ignore this? Like, this is where I want to be. Yeah, cuz remember, Tito is about is just living a, no sugar lifestyle. So it's, it's great. It's again, you know, the misconceptions about what key do is, it's could be, you know, ten different things. Pretend different people in a room.
So but what brings us all together as we don't, we don't want to have so many carbohydrates and in our diet and that's that, that is our shared commonality. So how you do your keto? Or I do maybe slightly nuanced and different but that's just bring us together.
Is we want to kick sugar and and like sugar ultimately is not, you know, leading Us to a better, a better life, and a better brain and and a better mood and all these things and and man the power of just, yeah, being with other people because loan wolfing, it is it's a lonely road and it doesn't really work. And so if you if you aren't in community, if you don't have support you don't have friends
that are eating this way. You don't your spouse's any Tough. So kind of getting with some other people and also just seeing other products seeing things that you can incorporate into your lesson to make life easier. So that it is a lifestyle is, and it's so is so worthwhile. Yeah, totally. Totally agree. What's the key to a scene, like, in New York? Like, it feels like from my perspective. The quote-unquote, keto Hub seems to be like Austin, Texas, you know.
California is Like, there's there like a pretty large demographic, you're going to find out if we're going to find out that it's either in full effect or small. So New York for as I mean, I live outside New York. So I'm in, I'm in Connecticut out just outside New York. So the where I live? It's the commuter town, you know, people kind of commute into the city for work. but, New York has everything New York's is this big started, a soup of
everything. So I imagine that the, the low-carb people are there and and hopefully there are make make their way but I can't speak to it, Robert. I don't, I don't know. I guess we'll find out. I'll guess. We'll find out if the the low-carb Community is strong. Or if most of the attendees are coming from out of town, I guess it remains to be seen. I'm Keep her to meeting everybody who's there was a ton of people in New York. So I'm sure it's probably a
pretty good time please. Thank you do, Folks at least. Yeah, let's hope. Let's hope so. Yeah, everybody who is feeling, you know, like they're ready to to either beat the speaker's, meet each other, you know, be inspired, learn some new things, relearn some things are already knew. This is for you, this is, this is totally for you and it's such a good. The, the ticket price is totally reasonable.
It's a, you know, you're going to get It's, it's it's so worth it. Such a good investments in. I'm stoked. I think it's going to be amazing. I'm going to look like like a total tourist out there. That would be one of those guys looking a little skyscrapers and it with people Newark, say, if you're looking up, you're obviously not from around here. Yes. Everett the buildings are very, very tall. In fact, you know, when I, when
I first went to Washington d.c. See and then later I moved to Austin. I was these buildings just not suffer at all. So when you used to these very tall buildings it's funny when you go to other cities and they don't have those the the skylines. Yeah but it you know Gotham it's a special place, a special place it's excited for you to see it and experience it. Yeah I'm excited to be then I'm excited to interact with the speaker's interact with you meet.
You face to face in person for the first time and just in time. Yeah, they're great. So what is the what's the website for people to get a ticket and get more information? Absolutely. It's keto Symposium.com. And you can also find us on Instagram at just at keto Symposium, so all the details are there. The tickets are linked in the website to Eventbrite and just super easy. And and I look forward to forward to seeing you Either. Yeah, and what is what is your
profile on social? People can find you as well. I am, Christina heskey, do nutritionist and my website is the keto nutritionist.com? Awesome, awesome. Well, I'm super excited to be there. The conference, I'm proud of you for throwing this conference, especially with your prior history of being fearful of public speaking. So that's quite quite a change of pace for sure. So, that's making leaps and And just keep doing you doing Christina.
I've always admired what you put in that out into the space. I feel like you're incredibly intelligent, you're offering a ton of value so just keep doing exactly what you're doing. Thanks, Robert, thanks for. Thanks for having me on and I'm super excited to see you in just a couple weeks. I'm as well. See you soon? Take care.