Hello, ladies and gents Roberts. Thanks kiddo. Savage.com, and today I've got special guest Maria emmerich on the line and we dive into all things nutrition. We talk about Carnival, we talk about cutting coffee, we talk about Dairy which talk about the protein, sparing modified fast, and satiety per calorie, talk about all kinds of things. How to build muscle parenting around certain foods that you would want your kids to eat certain foods, you would not thoroughly into the conversation.
I've met with Maria on numerous occasions at various conferences and I always enjoy chatting with And I've got no doubt that you will take something from this conversation. So without further Ado sit back relax and do a podcast with Maria emmerich. And we are lying. Maria, how are you? I'm great. How are you doing? How's that baby treating you he's the best, he's the best. He's 10 months old as of just a few days ago and he's just so much personality.
Now I just love him to pieces. Oh, and it grows, and it grows and it grows that is just such a great time. How old are yours now? 12 and 13. Well dirty. So we, we homeschooled since even before covid, but yeah, their personalities grow as they grow. It's pretty wild. What is the what's the homeschooling been like? As we're probably, we're leaning towards that direction, but we don't really dug into it a whole lot yet. So don't even know as far as, like, good resources to turn to
with regard to homeschooling. Well, I can't don't give myself credit but Craig is done all of it but we do the unschooling. So we don't follow a curriculum. We kind of let their interest guide it where we go and it's worked out really well. Obviously, you do the basics, you know, the reading the writing, and all of that but, you know, my younger one is really into art and photography. So we do extra and with Colvin that changed everything. The online classes are pretty
mind-blowing and awesome. So, you know, they'll I'll find a class about dinosaurs and so, they'll do that. And it's really fun to be able to because it, you know, you don't really get those opportunities until maybe later in high school. If you had a big high school or college where you could pick these cool classes that actually stimulated your interest, you know, what was the motivation for just having that round in the beginning like was there.
Like did you know that you're going to go around at the onset? No, it was like, okay, it's time for kindergarten to start and I was like, I don't, I'll miss them and also I feel, you know,
school lunches sad. And I work with so many people, I remember stories of this type one child, I worked with and they would get an A, on their math paper and get a huge bag of Skittles, not just a personal size, but like, a huge bag of Skittles. And I was just like, I don't want to be, you know, we're not dogs. I don't think we should reward. Each other with food. And they do that a lot in the schools. So it was, you know, food and also just the bullying and it's
a lot of things, you know? Yeah. Yeah. No I think I mean, I was in public school when I was growing up and I feel like I'm probably going to sound like everybody else, but it's like, I feel like things have changed so much since then even and it's like, I don't really like the direction, things are headed towards when it comes to the traditional Public School Systems. No, I know, it's sad and I mean, I was, I taught in the school for a little while and it's just, I don't know.
I think it worked out really, really well for us and we talk to them like, because, you know, we still pay a lot in taxes, they go towards the school and still, we still thinking take any classes, they want at the school, and we asked them, you know, do you want to? And they're like, no no interest whatsoever and they'll fill the like play football and stuff next year, Michael. In high school so he'll play some football but we know they're not interested in doing any classes. Yeah.
It was awesome. And many of the kind of like have a little bit more oversized to the food. They're eating probably has another huge benefit and not having to go through the public school system. My son eats about 3 tenderloin, steaks for breakfast. I'm going to be poor, but I don't think that's going to be possible at the school. Yeah, I would think not, I would think not. They probably a lot of venison to, right? Oh yeah.
I know. We're both Hunters are both bow hunters and we take out that venison really fast. Yeah let's talk about that because I feel like a lot of people don't even realize that you do bow hunt and I think that's like an awesome character trait of yours. I feel like you should be shouting it from the rooftops. Thank you, is probably one of my favorite pastimes and I'm not kidding. When I say that, I we have a lot of land where we live, and so, every morning, I just it's dark
out. I put my clothes on my hunting clothes on, and I think I told you, I wear a shower cap because there's no way I can like, get rid of the smell in my hair because it's just so big. And so, I wear a shower cap underneath a hat and I sit for, I mean, every day is different but you know, it's like 5:00 a.m. so I'll sit until Till it's time to get some work going or I need to move my body after I sit
so long. I am little restless but I do love it and I so I go every day and the past few years, I've gotten some massive box which is not easy. Like you know what, the bow and arrow and everybody gives me crap. So that's probably why I don't talk about it too much. Yeah, I'm just amazed at people in the keto space in the carnivore. Space in the meat-based space. Give you crap for hunting stuff like that. That's that I don't understand.
I remember telling Craig like, oh you know, how come I can't grow on social media and this and that and he said just be careful what you wish for the ones that do follow you really like you. And he's like, when you get so big, then you get these people that just and I have it now, especially on my Tick Tock. It's just I posted a video probably of hunting. And then also, we, instead of a gingerbread house, we make a meat house with like Prosciutto
and stuff, and it's really fun. But the vegans saw that. And so I have all these vegans following me that just like, bash me left and right all the time and I mean I've gotten a thicker skin as I got older. But yeah on Instagram I got all these people saying how cruel I was I was you know this and that and then you would go to their wall and they have pictures of them eating hamburgers and like well who's the hypocrite here?
I don't all yeah, that makes no sense to me, people, people online are ruthless, you know, like I wouldn't kristallnacht first part of the business, you know, we had like, we were just putting ourselves out there, not really knowing what we're doing with social media, and then people would just be ruthless towards us and like, lots of sleepless nights. But then after a while, you just, you realized you what your
intentions are. And if people are going to misconstrue your intentions and try and throw shade, and be - I just honestly, not even worth your time. But it's hard. I mean I'm a very sensitive person and so like people like to pick on my size a lot and it's hurtful, you know, it hurt when they called me thunder, thighs, as a kid and it hurts when they call me anorexic as an
adult. It doesn't feel good either way, and I do lose sleep over, and I wish sometimes I wasn't as sensitive, but then, that would be who I am and what I put into the world. Yeah. Are you open to talking about that like people? People make these accusations towards you, and they assume you're anorexic. They call you anorexic on social media, like like a view. I'm assuming you've made post illustrating that that's not the case and they just, they don't
want any better. I don't know what their intentions are, it's hard. I know, I know it's hard because I don't want to draw attention to it. First of all, I'm not that attention-seeking person, but I also want people to know, okay? I eat really good food. I'm very I don't eat any sugar. I don't drink any alcohol. I don't drink coffee like. I treat my body with honor.
And because of that, I get so much hate and it's sad because like you said, we're putting like helpful information out there for free for people and then they just make fun of you and try to bring you down and I try not to let it bring me down but they often win. But and they don't know who I am. They don't know that struggles.
I'm dealing with. I know you did a podcast with Craig but he suffers Brilliant badly with Ankylosing Spondylitis, which is where your joints basically, calcify and turn to Bone. And so he can't move very well at all. And, like, some days he can't get out of bed. And so, I take on a lot of the The jobs of the home and I think that kind of consumed my, you know, my life for a while and taking care of him and I don't know. It's like they think that I
don't know. There's there's other things that people are going through and struggling with and when they just see your outward appearance, they just feel the right. Especially it seems like with covid seems like when we'll just started sitting around their computers they can they just want to make you feel like less of a person That's why I like podcast because a podcast, you can sit down and have a conversation with people. And like, there's much less room for misconstruing information.
And, you know, just having inaccurate information ignorance towards what people's intentions are. You can have a conversation and flesh things out in detail and the listeners if they're listening, can then better actually internalize what people are saying. The point of trying to get across Yeah, you're right. And I do, I love podcasts. I like to listen to him when I work out, that's the thing to like, I don't sit still very well. I'm a mover and a Shaker.
I'm always doing something and so yeah, I mean I'm not I guess long time ago, I would try to soothe myself with food so I would make a Panna cinnamon rolls and not the healthy kind, the bad kind and I did the whole thing. And I never feel better. It always made me feel worse. And so I learned at a pretty young age that food doesn't make me feel better. And so when I am feeling low and Christ, not doing well, and we have other family, issues struggles. Illnesses, when I'm dealing with
those. I'm not one to eat a pan of Eber like my protein cinnamon rolls are, you know, I just I don't know. So I don't see myself with food anymore like I used to. Yeah, that's good, that's good. What, what are some things that people are not know? Bashing you for throwing shade your way. Now that you would just like, to clear the air on, is there anything that's festering or is like that?
Not really being like as enough time elapsed that that's not really, there's not anything that people are picking on you for per se. No, it happens. Often I was on the reverse television show in Costa Rica. Yeah. And while I was on the show and they were posting little Clips on Instagram, some people made some really cruel comments and the producers like hey we need
to talk about this. We had a separate segment about it but it's just interesting because he's like Maria's here, she's eating all the food that we're all eating. She's So running and working out before anybody wakes up, she's also, you know, doing this and that and so he was really cool about it, but no one to happens all the time, but I am, I don't
know. I think I talk to you a little bit about it when we had dinner and New York that I really wanted to get stronger and so I did start lifting weights and I put a few pounds of muscle on so I feel I used to lift weights all the time and I loved it, but then like I was saying like things in the family, I had to take care of. So I was the last person. Listen to, you know, take care of myself but I started it again and it doesn't take a long time and man I just feel so much better.
Like just I love do it, I love it. I don't I'm sad that I got out of my habit but it's back in there and within months I'm so much stronger. I can bring my paddle board down to the ocean and you know not have to have help or take a break, bring it down so it's great being strong and I love you. The message that you put out there.
Yeah, for like gaining strength. It just Is everyone to try and maximize lean muscle retention and then building and I feel like that message off and gets put on the back burner especially and a lot of the female demographics when like the main message is seems to be that get a smaller dress size and I feel like if people are less concerned about what they weigh and more concerned about the actual body composition, they have nothing but you know, benefit to gain from it.
Right, right? And a lot of times they're searching for a number or a lower number. When, if they would focus on that body composition like the number might not be lower but their body shapes going to be like so much better and they feel much so much stronger. So like that's what I try to emphasize instead of focusing on a number. Yeah, for sure you'd be really proud of me. I have quit coffee. Believe it or not. Yeah he does.
Impose him, you were saying. Everybody should stop drinking coffee and and that's like, it was like, like the whole the hush over the room. Just like was very noticeable. But I quit coffee, I think, mainly because the acidity was bothering me. Like I had like a lot of not acid reflux, but I think just the acidity of the coffee was mess with me. So I quit cold turkey and it's been probably, I don't know six weeks name of that coffee. He's even with a baby waking you up at night.
Yeah, yeah, the it's awesome. Yeah. So, no coffee for me. I've been having tea in the morning like a cup or two of T, and that's been totally fine. So, I like my tea time still. You feel different, not really. I mean I didn't really have any, I didn't have any caffeine withdrawals. I didn't have any caffeine headaches and I had weaned down my caffeine intake quite a bit prior to quitting the coffee. Not like intentionally.
But I had, you know, at one point I was taking like 3,000 milligrams of caffeine a day, which is just just unnecessary amount. And I, typed rid of that down to, like, one or two cups of coffee than I was at that intake for probably about a year or so. And I just said, you know, I'm just gonna switch and not have coffee at all.
I've not had any issues whatsoever, I don't really feel different person other than I feel like because of the lack of acidity coming in. I feel like my digestion is little bit better. Well, that's good. I mean I want to start and tell everybody I worked at a coffee shop since I was 15 years old. Yeah, and I worked at different ones throughout college and I love that job. I basically a not had a free IV of caffeine in my system, so I understand the addiction I loved it.
And I wish I would have taken the consequences more seriously in my earlier days because you know, caffeine increases androgens and when you have PCOS Just like I did, you know, caffeine is going to keep those androgens high. So, you know, I promised to take it more seriously, in the my past. But, you know, it's been about 10 years. And I feel, I remember having like one too many cups of coffee and feeling like a rubber band
about to snap. Like I just like how much calmer I am but I still have that energy, you know, but just it's different energy. Yeah. No totally. I feel like it's not good to be, you know, dependent upon any substance and I Like a lot of people truly are addicted. To the point of total energy dependency on coffee and I think that's certainly something you'd want to avoid. Yep. And I mean it also makes you less insulin sensitive which we
don't want to, you know, happen. So I don't know if there's a lot of different than everybody's like why are your teeth are so white? You know, I was like well I don't drink you know, coffee or sodas or you know wind things I would say my teeth. Yeah. For sure. Are you? We were just talking about how much we loathe certain aspects of social media, but are you on Twitter that much at all?
Um I so Craig has to do my Twitter a couple of years ago but I kind of jumped on there and it grew massively, but man, it's just, it's a wild place to be on. But yeah, I post on there quite a bit. Now, I'm not very active on Twitter at all, but I jumped on the other day and there's this big debate around the SPC that or satiety per calorie. Have you seen that? Yeah, with tighten even. Yeah. Naaman and dr. Ian felt, I don't know if I pronounce his name right there, but yeah.
Yeah, I know them both very dearly and its people are really ripping their heads off and I understand what they're trying to accomplish, but some people don't like it at all. Can you? Because I feel like you're very qualified person to talk about what it is. They are trying to accomplish and then kind of Flesh that out in Greater detail. I've had to name it on twice, I believe in, I like to name a lot alike and I have pretty similar recommendations when it comes to protein intake.
You know, for the individual based off of Grams per lean mass. So there's a lot more in common that he and I share than not. So I like to name a lot but I'd be curious to get your take on what it is. They're trying to do. And what some of this pushback is being triggered by Well, I mean, I won't say who it is but she's pretty upset about she was saying, even ha like dr. Finney would be upset saying that the ketogenic diet is not a
low-fat diet. When in fact, you know, someone just posted a screenshot of their book saying, yes you actually do. You know if weight loss has a goal you dial down the dietary fat and that's what they're trying to accomplish. Is that? So protein, According to some is basically, like, Three calories. Because it's going to is the building blocks of so many processes of her body, but it's not a good energy source, right? So you need the either choose carbohydrates or fat.
I always lean towards the fat side because to me, carbohydrates is just a form of sugar and it causes a lot of Cravings, right? Right. So with that said, when a when a food has more fat or carbohydrates the you know, especially if it's a higher in carbohydrates, it doesn't have protein or fat, it's going. Be very low on the satiation scale. If any satiation is there, right?
But then when you add in protein is very satiating and fat as moderately satiating, that's how they're kind of like describing this. And the reason protein is more satiating than fat is because per calorie you get a lot more protein versus fats and it's very satiating compared to the energy that you get in a fat Cal. So it's not that I'm saying that fat is bad or they're saying that fat is bad. It's just saying per calorie.
You know and people like well I hate talking about calories, calories in calories out, don't work, but it's like to see calories. Be nothing is ignorance, right? So we have to talk about a little bit and that's why they're bringing that up because it's more than just calories. Now, they're breaking it down into carbohydrates fat and protein and within that, how satiating is it. So that's kind of what they're Getting out.
I mean they're trying to reach the masses so they had like Diet Coke on there and that's like you know, super satiating per calorie because it's zero calories is like oh man, why they have to go to the diet? Kroger out, right? Yeah. But they reach the masses and that way. So depending on how many calories it has shows and protein fat carbohydrates. It gives you a scale, it's a whole new website. It's not the diet doctor website, which is what dr.
Ian Fell does. It's a totally new website. Which I mean, I find Interesting. Am I gonna be really pushing that? Probably not, because I think I differ on a lot of ideas, Ted usually leans toward he's very, you know, he's on a protein side. But then he goes towards carbohydrates, rather than fat, yeah, where I might energy source with, like fat. So when I mean, I can run marathons on, you know, a zero carb diet. So, I mean, I thrive on like the fat for my energy rather than
the carbohydrate. Without a crash. Yeah, totally it's interesting because I definitely applaud what they're trying to do and I think there needs to be a discussion around, you know, true satiety. And for me, it, I mean, I've lost weight with high protein low fat, I've lost weight with high fat, moderate protein, very low carb. Like I've done it all different kinds of ways and they're certainly more than one way to skin a cat as the saying goes, and I feel like a lot of it is
nuanced. I mean, some people Are going to respond better to one or another modality. They're going to find one more Saints sustainable than the other. And I think anytime people try to generalize something for the masses that people that are not in those masses are going to take incredible offense to it. Yeah, no, I totally agree and I let's be honest like the diet dad's going to work for you is the one you comply to.
So it's nice to have a lot of options because for some people Just not going to want to eat the way I eat. They're not going to want to eat the way you eat and what is they're going to comply to and be successful with. That's what we want to have that option for so but I do think people need to realize, you know, like the sheath of your
bones are made up of protein. You know your hair and you're like all of these processes are made up so like you know when people say oh it's so high protein, well I would say it's more moderate protein. What I approach is, I mean, One, one gram per pound of lean. Mass is not a ton. Yeah, you know, that's pretty, I don't know, how are you? Yeah. One gram of protein per pound of lean mass, or per pound of total mass, depending on what your composition is. That's pretty much my sweet
spot. Right. I think that's for everyone, and that's not just for like muscle building or anything is for know, your bone health. And you know, you look at these studies of people. Reversing bone loss is like, where is that sweet? What are they doing? That's what different, you know, it's K2 and protein. What about like people with like pitting edema. It's where they do a ketogenic diet which is more Our protein based rather than fat.
So, I don't know, just a lot of information out there, but I think when people hear the ketogenic diet they think, oh, it's, you know, 20 grams of protein or, you know, some really low wild number. Yeah.
And frustrating a little bit. It's a, it's funny because, you know, for a while, everybody was villainizing protein for fear of gluconeogenesis and they were just consuming, copious amounts of fat but not a Protein. And now the the Halo has been given to protein and it's almost as though fat is starting to become villainize with an Aikido low-carb space which is also interesting. It's like the pendulum has swung too far on either extreme. Like the answer is somewhere in
the middle. Right. And I don't I mean I've been doing this with clients for 20 years now on I there wasn't this huge debate for, you know it was just there. Also wasn't all these junkie products out there to like Duncan Hines, you know, keto brownie mix or whatever but so I think that's where a lot of confusion comes into play or, you know, exaggerated as ketones but I do feel, I remember writing one of my first books and someone that was very you know, who he was.
He was very predominant in this space. He's like, oh no Maria too much, protein turns into sugar and I was like, what I was like, second-guessing everything. Like I put out there looking to that. And yeah, I gluconeogenesis is exactly what enables the body to be in ketosis. Yeah, you know, and Ivana zero carb diet, so I don't fear it anymore. Yeah, definitely. Don't think there needs to be any fear associated with protein.
I do think there is a likely, an upper threshold to what one would optimize with in regards to protein. Like, if you like, if you weigh 150 pounds and you're consuming between 100 and, you know, 40 and 100 70 grams of protein, that doesn't necessarily mean that 300 grams of proteins going to be better for you. Right. No II agree. There's definitely. But you know, I the most of it, I'm primarily work with women. Usually maybe in menopause. So why not?
I'm struggling to get them to even get to that minimum amount of. Yeah. Protein totally. And I feel like the like total intake often times does not. It's not as prominent as it should be within the conversation. Like people like to throw out percentages of total calories coming. Fat or protein, but if you don't have the context of what the total consumption is, all those numbers become arbitrary. Like and I think honestly, that's often times why people try and pit tent name.
It against me and you against me as they have in the past. It's like they automatically assume that I'm high fat, low protein. Whereas in reality, we're all pretty much agreeing on the same protein intake. I'm just also eating quite a bit of calories and Amanda quite a lot of energy. So my dietary fat ratio as a percentage of total calories I was quite High. Right? And you're working with athletes. Yeah, I'm not most of that.
I'm not. I mean, the most interesting person I worked with this last few months. She was going to be a Naked and Afraid or she is, uh, Naked and Afraid right now. And she's like, Maria, I need to gain a bunch of weight before I go on Dating Naked and Afraid. So, I was like, well, the best thing to do is, you know, fat plus carbohydrates. That's the greatest way to gain some fat and, you know, she did it. So she could survive - Reina one time.
But that was, that was fun. Yeah, that's I don't know if I could ever do naked and afraid. I don't know if that'd be my forte. Well, no, have you ever watched a loan on the History Channel? I have seen an episode of alone. I listen to a podcast with one of the guys that wanted on Joe Rogan's podcast and that was super interesting. Like the the concept of how they built that show is pretty pretty insightful. It is insightful.
I watched it with my kids a couple of years back, we really got into it and I remember this one, dude, he was a vegan for the past 17 years, and when he got to his spot where he had to live, he quickly gave up his vegan lifestyle. Because he's like, I can't spend all day foraging for food. I need to catch one fish a day, survive off of that and focus on building a shelter getting water. It was just interesting how when we think about Human survival.
A vegan diet is not sustainable. Yeah, I think when you are subjected to the elements and all of the, the nice to haves in your life are stripped from you, then you really gain a lot of clarity as to, what is truly important, what is truly sustainable? What is truly optimal. Like, I think so much of this discourse, unhealthy discourse and just debate and turmoil that we see right now within the society politically nutritionally, you know, Little
policy-wise. It's all because people have so much of their fingertips anywhere, they're just looking for things to argue about. Oh, you meant that. I mean, you know, Johnny Depp you bought an island and he called, I won't swear, but he called it f off Island because like, that's brilliant. Let's go. I like that, I like that. I feel like we should definitely touch on protein, sparing modified fast, I had Nick said
Craig one not too long ago. We talked about that and in depth but for you and I to talk about it for anybody that has any questions on that. And I said, I told you this when we were having dinner at a in New York as well. Well, but people, they try to make issues with within people within different communities and I have never meant to offend you online. I certainly hope that's never
anything. I've said I've never been directed towards you ORS, seen as a pensive but when it comes to protein, sparing modified fast, I'd love to just get your take on it and dispel any rumors that may be circulating there. I would love to talk about that and yeah, I know it was it was great to be able to just talk to you one on one about the, you know, the people in the issues and all that. But so when I started my journey, this was 26 years ago.
My anniversaries in March, 26 years ago, I was diagnosed with PCOS acid reflux, depression IBS and I didn't want to take those for prescription drugs. I was given so I decided to change my diet. There wasn't the internet back then. But if you do your research and what causes this infertility and a female, it's excess caffeine sugar and carbohydrates and I was like, living off of cinnamon
rolls and coffee, right? So I had to change my diet, a lot and right away my depression, I swear it lifted overnight, my acid reflux, one away, my IBS went away, but my weight loss was very difficult, and so what I would, Do I call them my pure protein days? And I wish I would have stuck with that term because it's not really a medical protein sparing modified fast approach where you do this long-term. I would do pure protein days where I lowered the fats.
I cut out all the dairy which I think is another the topic we could talk about and I focused on leader proteins and I would do that like two days a week. The rest of days were like regular keto type match Rose. But I still was dairy free and not free because those things would cause me to gain weight. So these pure protein days, they just evolved, I made the that protein bread that's made with the egg whites, it's pretty
wild. That was that recipes, you know, 17 years old, I would live off of that makes and witches with it this and that and then when I, you know, was talking about the pure protein days Craig's like yeah there's like something called the proteins are modified fast, which is a A lot in a line
with what you were doing. You know, maybe we should just call it that to be more mainstream people can, you know, look into it more, but I don't recommend and there's some people out there, some doctors out there that recommend doing this for like months, on end day after day and I do believe there will be a metabolic adaptation where you need a lower caloric intake where I even do an overfeeding day with my pure
protein days. I don't do them anymore, but when Work with clients to do them and just kind of mix up the calories and this is in place of a water fast. So you know a lot of people are pushing you know doing a water fast every other day I'm saying. Okay instead of doing that, lets do a pure protein day where it is very low in calories. But you're getting enough protein to maintain muscle mass because we know that you do lose lean muscle tissue with the water fast and you get the Giants.
Because the nutrients are in the protein, we can argue that that's where, you know, that those all are. So it's basically, you know, you're getting your vitamins minerals in, you're getting enough fat to absorb vitamins, a d and K enough fat for your hormones, and but it's very low in calories and it's basically all protein. So it works really well. Like it's pretty, it's pretty wild. How fast it works for people.
And that's the thing. Like I, you know, like we're saying is not all about weight loss. Someone's in this metabolic shitstorm where they have, you know, insulin resistance and they're on every medication. You can imagine the best way to reverse insulin resistance is to shrink the fat cells and to gain or at least maintain your muscle mass. You have more places for the glucose to goal, and that's where focusing on, you know, protein and cutting the calories down a few days a week.
Really, really help. Instead of doing a water fast. Yeah, I definitely. Think the extended fasting has there's definitely a use case where fasting makes a lot of sense like I kind of intimate and fast by default daily anyways. But like the extended fasting like I said there's a place for that but I think it's gained so much momentum that people are kind of using it to their detriment in a lot of ways. So not overly fasting is going
to be key. I think for me like I just try to construct a dietary protocol that is not overly restrictive. For like what a lot of people do people are people are suckers for wanting to get results very quickly at the expense of their health and doing ways that are not sustainable. And I feel like if you tell somebody hey do a pure protein day, one day a week and then having overfeeding day they're going to do a protein day one day a week.
They're going to see that drop in the scale from that lack of intake. They're going to forget that you said have a overfeeding day that you're going to do pure protein days, you know, seven days a week and that's what people want to do. I do see that and I'm like, no. Has you know I really encourage people to not or they feel so good and they love those like but the reason you feel so good is maybe because you don't eat the dairy and the nuts and
things that aren't making. You feel that great on your off days, or you see the apps that were they, the see the skill. Go down. So then they're overfeeding days, like a pizza. Had a do, like nobody said, new pizza on your overfeeding day. I'm talking like have some ribs or chicken wings, you know, some fatty meats and Yeah.
I mean people can construe things all the time and it's hard because I do work with women and men with eating disorders and they'll take it to the you know, 10th degree. Yeah. I feel like it's just like there's so much benefit to be had for spending time in a caloric deficit just as there's benefit to be hand for spending time in the caloric Surplus, it's kind of like the yin yang situation like you can you can't really optimized for one unless you have time spent in the other so to speak.
I do. Yes, I absolutely. Absolutely agree with that and like even intermittent fasting, it kind of happens naturally. And even my children here, it's that it's still quite early, it's only 9:00 a.m., but my children haven't eaten yet. They will probably eat maybe around noon. But like I'm 12, I'm up at four am working, I know you're an early bird to. So I've eaten my first meal ready but like they and I then I quit much earlier than them but even my kids I don't make them
fast but they're not. Hungry in the morning and that freaks my mother Alba to do because you know, she's getting a new to the space, she's not into, you know, keto at all really. But she thinks they're, you know, just dying observation or something like no, no, they're just fine. If they don't want to eat breakfast. It'll be okay. Mom, if they're staying with Grandma.
Yeah, well, this, this notion that we need to always be like, grazing throughout the day is such a misconstrued notion, the first place like that. When did that ever happen in nature? Nature for us as a species lover and you see kids at the zoo, you know, and their strollers eaten away on the Cheerios and things like that. And it's just It's hard. I tried on to be a judge a person but when I see a little kid that can't even talk eating a french fry, I get you know really sad for them.
Yeah. I mean will the the amount of adolescents that are like sub 10 years old, that have diabetes already. It's like whatever trajectory we headed on right now is clearly not the right one. It's not, it's just getting worse. I mean they're making like 10,000 new chemicals in food every year. It's wild. That's allowed in these foods. And that's what they're living off of at school and there's snacks.
And that's just why I'm so I wrote the sugar-free kids book with Halle Berry because I wanted people to just be open to because, you know, I don't want to call it a keto kids cookbook. I wanted it to be a sugar free. Because everybody agrees sugars, not good for you, but it is a ketogenic cookbook for kids to. But most people say I'm not, I don't even have children. That's my favorite book. Yeah, because it was just
delicious fun food. And, you know, it's weird that I mean, like, with food, actually, that's a good question for you when it comes to, you know, like when they go to spin time that when your kids go to spend time with other members of the family that aren't really in the know, like, how do you, how do you do
that? Like, how do you like, this is a selfish question because like when I Let them spend time with my parents and how do you embrace the idea that they not gonna have a clue what they're doing with Newton guards nutrition? Well, now, my children. No. I mean they're 12 and 13. They know as much as like most adults know about nutrition or like people that I work with like they're very knowledgeable.
What makes them feel good, what makes him feel bad, they personally make the choice to not eat it. And probably tell the people like you know what skills are Doing your body like Bill talked about the food guy and this and that where I'm like some people don't want to know that you know you know like somebody's. So somebody on the beach was eating an apple. You like they said, oh, you
know, that's just sugar. And I was like, oh, you know, don't wanna, you know, be reprimanded all the time. But anyway, when they were younger, it was hard and I would just ask, you know, my parents like I would be make most of the food and say, here you go. Like we never really left them. Way. But when we did it was like here's their dinner, will be back at this time, you know.
And it was just fine, but now it's fun to be able to trust them and even if they did get bombarded with sugar, they'll usually tell me and say I never want to do that again, but it's a very rare occasion. Did you get a lot of pushback from people in the community around the community? That just assumed that in order for kids to have A, you know, proper developmental phase in their life.
They have to consume some degree from hydrates, still all the time, not that they need carbohydrates to girl maybe. But oh, they're just kids. Let them just be kids but it's like, yeah, we let them be kids. And then at 18, they have all these metabolic disorders and they're addicted to sugar and we expect them to just change. I'm really grateful. I had to change my diet when I was 16 because my friends are in their 40s and they're like, crap.
I These habits that are still hard to break and, you know, like I don't even see that stuff as food anymore, where that's their habit and I am grateful. My, I mean, you are in charge my my son's first food was bone marrow and cash, what else like they would eat salmon and bone marrow and egg yolks and bone broth. They would drink bone broth like it was going out of style, like, it wasn't traditional
whatsoever. / but and it took work to make, but it was totally worth it because they have definitely a Savory palate versus a sweet tooth. Yeah. And you know they know what foods make them feel good. If we aren't, we all know what foods make us feel good and what make us feel bad, but being able to make that choice to choose, the one that makes us feel good. That's empowering, you know, totally, yeah. Rachel's first food was bone marrow. As well.
I mean, he eats salmon full-fat yogurt, bone marrow, avocado one occasion. You know, eggs. That's pretty much his go-to meals right there. That's awesome. And you know what? They're little people. It's not that hard to make it right? Yeah, for sure. So speaking of dares talk about Dairy so you don't consume any day, right? Um, me personally, I didn't when I was in my weight-loss, like, cutting mode now that I am, you know, maybe true, even trying to bulk up a little bit.
I do have some Dairy. It's my, I do like that fat like I think we had the best burrata cheese. Remember what that dinner? That's right. That was very good. But when someone is like struggling to lose weight, like I posted on Instagram, two days ago, Oh, about Twila, Twila has lost 270 pounds, and she is staying at her place in Maui at our other place. And she came to visit and she's like Maria, I'm, you know, she was frustrated because she was up a little bit.
She's like, cuz I know it was Dairy and I just got to cut it back out again. And I said, do you feel any other symptoms like your gut hurts or, you know, acid reflux, your skin breaks out she goes. Nope, but the scale will go up whenever I have And I find that not just with what I love with a lot of people. There's some guy on Twitter's like, dick, I'm you Maria, you know, that I cut the dairy out and I'm downtown palms and it's just interesting.
Dairy is a more common allergen than gluten is. But we poopoo gluten in this Kido space but we don't address Dairy at all. Yeah, what is interesting that of all the species? All the mammalian species were the only ones that don't wean off Dairy. Man it's a big addiction like I'm from Wisconsin. I love cheese and it was like the hardest thing to cut out. But do you think it's mostly like if you're equating for calories and people are still seeing an increase in weight?
Is that just an inflammatory driver there? Oh yeah. Because it's not even if they're eating the same caloric amount and they'll still go up like even eating like things like you Cottage cheese. Like that's a higher protein, too fat. They'll definitely put on the weight and it has nothing to do with calories. It's nothing to do with overeating it but it is everything about some inflammation is happening. That your body's just saying.
No, this is not for me and it's hard because I mean I love I love making recipes with a cuz it makes everything more delicious. But a lot of times it's just when you're trying if you're really stuck at a weight or something like that you just got to cut it out for a little bit. And what will the proxy are you using to see? Like, if people are inflamed like, is it just a matter of like, does your gut tolerated? Well, do you have? Because I don't think I have any Sensitivity.
I never been tested for day but I consume you know, heavy cream and whatnots cheese. I don't notice any issues with it whatsoever, so I'm assuming I don't have any sensitivities but I've never tested for it, right. I mean, I usually 99% of people come with me because they want to lose fat. And in that case, we just automatically go, dairy, free,
not free. And that's why most of my books and, you know, my meal plans are dairy free and not free because it sounds really hard, but it's not it's not hard at all and it can be delicious too. So that's where we go and then they can add it in after a month to see what happens to their response because sometimes we just don't know how good we can feel until we get stuff out of our diet.
Yeah. Totally so even if they're not having a physical like reaction, they might see the the scale went up. And again it wasn't a caloric thing. It was because they added butter or and so will you know starting with like goat cheese or something like that is usually more well-tolerated.
What's interesting is I know a lot of people that will go to Europe or like I have friends that live in Europe and then they'll come the United States blow up like mad with the American Dairy but the year European Dairy, they have no problem with her like the yogurt or something in Europe. They have no response to but here it's different. Hmm. Yeah, I've heard that as well.
Same thing with like, the people are consuming Breads and whatnot in America versus that of, you know, you're paying, you know, areas that they don't have near the issues with it. It seems Don't have much as much gluten in their flowers as we do and that's why the recipes are usually different do it. I am a big fan of Julia Child. And I know that was the big issue when she was writing, her cookbooks because her other recipe DeRuyter was in Paris. France, and flour was totally
different. Huh. Interesting. I haven't used too much flour that lately so I don't know that. Yeah, I know I don't get your butt but yeah. The the dairy aspect is interesting for sure. So what is your diet looking like currently? Cause you're not doing any, you know, pure protein days. You're doing more of a trying to focus on building more lean tissue. So what is, what is a typical
day? If you didn't look like for you now, Um, so after I, you know, do my weight, I still run a little bit, but I do my weights to I'll have, I like a tenderloin. I'm not a big fan of like a rib eye. I love tenderloin filet mignon. So I have a tenderloin for breakfast and I usually make my like truffle steak sauce with it. I just have that in the fridge time. So it's pretty quick and simple and takes what?
Four minutes to cook up a steak real quick and So, I'll have that for breakfast and then for lunch, I mean I'm living on the beach. So I have fish for lunch and I love mahi-mahi and I make this coconut ginger sauce with it. So I'll have like a big piece of that maybe a few double legs with it. And then I just did the video on how to make my carnivore deviled eggs or really good. So check. And then for dinner.
I'm like a creature of habit. Like my breakfast and lunch are pretty much the same because I like it and I can kind of focus on work and not think too much about other things and then dinner will change depending on, you know what, we're having sometimes. It's like tacos with my protein sparing. Again it's I'm not eating protein spring but I make these like protein wraps, the really easy to make and they're always in the freezer. So we'll do like tacos or I don't know, like, burgers.
We have like Burger night, and then we could either just have them plain, or will put it in my, the protein bread, where you whip the egg whites, and then I always end my day, like, after dinner I'll have, like, an have you tried the equip shakes? They're made with beef? Yeah, I've tried them. You pretty good? I really, I really like them. I like the strawberry. So I like having a little dessert every day and so it's a beef.
Protein little shake. So, I'll have that for dessert, but that's kind of like my day usually typically and it's still in that, you know, like 18:6 type of window. But yeah, do you know what, the macros wind up averaging out on that typically? I personally don't, it might be like a one-to-one ratio. But I don't, I haven't really checked it and you're getting stronger building muscle. So everything's working there, right?
It is working there. I mean, I'm focused on County everybody else's macros so I mean he gets a little overwhelming but yeah, I know that's how I met. So, my day usually runs nice. So you posted about sauna used to do this, on a pretty regular But it's not the saunas. Honestly are hard for me because I don't like to be hot. I like to be cold. So, cold therapy.
I have a bathtub just for ice and I love doing that and it's much easier than sitting in a sauna, but I do believe that there's benefits of doing both together. But yeah, saunas, definitely. I know, most people are the opposite. They like to be hot. I do not. Well, I'm a fan of the cold therapy for sure. We just bought a Stock tank from like Tractor Supply going been, you know, it's been cold enough for the, we haven't had to put ice in.
It's just been cold naturally and will wake up jumping at think first thing in the morning and there's like, a whole bunch of supposed benefits to it. I'm sure some of them are true. I'm sure some of them are just fancy marketing but all that to say, I like waking up and just doing something, you know, physically, tough first thing in the morning. It kind of sets the tone for the day.
Yeah. I mean even my son jumped in there and he's like Mom I just feel like so much happier and I was like, it is supposed to increase dopamine. Yeah, you know, here's the thing like I don't have one of those. We're in Hawaii right now and I don't have a bathtub here but there's a cryotherapy place that I've gone to where you just go
in the cold air. It's really, I don't know how cold it is gets really cold but it's only for three minutes and I'm like this, this is not doing anything they say that it's like burning. 10,000 calories. And then, like a whole list of things, I'm like, that's just the whole honky, you know? But when you actually submerge your body, like, I'll I'll sit in there for 15 minutes and I'll shiver for like an hour and
that's what you want. Like, no matter what you're doing for cold therapy, you want it to be uncomfortable like that. If it's easy for you because you will, you know, just like you have metabolic adaptation you know, with a cold therapy gets easier for you. Then it's not, you're not getting all the benefits. Yeah, totally. Are you doing that? Shoot, correct? Great with tell me about on his paws cat. On the podcast that he was on a few weeks ago but he's doing that hyperbaric.
Oxygen chamber to do you ever do that? Um, I actually went down to Mexico to do some stem cells and they have a oxygen chamber there and I did that one. But I don't use his chamber. I don't know why you can't. It's hard because you can't have anything in there with you. So like he wakes up, he'll set his alarm before he actually wakes up and so he'll just go from you know, basically bad into there and sleep the last hour and a half in the chamber. Yeah. That makes sense.
I mean, you can't bring a phone in there. You can't bring an iPad. You can't work in there, like sort of like twiddling my thumb's. Like I just can't but no so honestly, no I haven't I should. Yeah, that would be a serious act in meditation. Be able to be totally at peace, for your thoughts, for an hour and a half. I my meditations more of a movement meditation. Even big travel plans coming up.
He would show me the pictures from Africa which looks absolutely amazing but give me think my plane. Yeah, so this these two different travel agencies reached out to me a couple years ago before well before covid. Maybe 10 years ago. Hey Maria. Do you wanna like be the guest host on these trips? I'm like, oh, he Craig, this lady asked me to be like, Like the guest host in Italy and I've never traveled, like, I grew up
without any money. Like we I never traveled anywhere even have like a passport. He's like City say yes, collar like see what happens. And so ever since then like every year we have a trip to Italy. It's like a keto trip. But again like there's no judging. I'm not a judgy person that way but it's nice.
Because when people have to eat keto for either type 1 diabetics or their, you know, whatever illness are dealing with like we. I need like we made the best Italian food but just differently, you know, like chicken parm but with my recipe like they would make that for us and so we have a trip to Italy and Juno but I'm doing a trip to Bali in April Italy and June Croatia and September and then South Africa in November Craig's. Going to be on that November trip.
But if anybody wants to come on the trips, this message me and I'll hook you up and that's all through like the keto. No Community, like it's all catering towards the keto Community. Yeah, it is. I mean again you have plenty of opportunity to walk around Rome and you could eat whatever you wanted and people have done that. And I don't, I don't care. Some people were very famous game on my last trip, you know who he is, but you know, he was eating pizza and gelato and
doing all that type of stuff. And, you know, you do what you want to do. But if you Want a safe place to
eat. Good. Delicious food, you know and it's keto we also have that opportunity so I just I'm trying to say like there's no judging and you do those every year If every year I mean obviously covid kind of stopped it for a little while, but the last, we went to Greece last September and it's so cool because like you never know what you're gonna get, but we made, we always make like the best of friends and we all still stay in contact and
for of the people traveled and came and stayed in Hawaii with me. And so that was, that was really fun. That's awesome. Yeah, I'm gonna have to definitely look into that because that's like I need to I love traveling and I travel quite a bit for like, all that. Different conferences and whatnot but traveling more Brawn to different countries especially now that we have a son like I want to expose him to different things especially as he gets older.
So I think that'd be an awesome opportunity to do so it isn't you know get them to travel and see the world and be open to, I don't know different, different people and Lifestyles 100% Maria apart from the traveling, everything else in the pipeline either books coming up. Um, no no books at the moment, we're focused a lot on the The keto coaching certification, we also added a protein sparing, modified fast, certification to that, and next semester is April first sign up for that.
So if you're interested and you know, maybe changing a life a bit and helping other people's transform their life that I think we are blessed to have the coolest job in the world. Don't you think? I totally agree. I think there's nothing. I mean for me that is nothing more fulfilling than getting like the emails and you get them to like all all the time. Like you get these emails about how something gets to spend more time. With the grandkids or something like that.
It's like you just got to take those to Heart. It is. And it's like the coolest thing to get recognized for. I mean, not saying I'm famous by all means, but I was on Christmas Day. The boys were playing with their toys and I was riding bike at the end of the island where like nobody's there. There's no houses. It's very desolate. But there's a place to snorkel and I'm riding bike.
I have a hat on and my sunglasses and I'll send a minivan, they stopped and they're like Maria, the whole family jumps out to take Pictures and is like that is so cool. They even had like a little snack of one of my recipes in the cars like that is pretty wild. Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, you're impacting people's lives and think that I
think that's the main thing. Like so many people within the keto space right now, low carb Corner more space that there's so much division around whose ways the right way.
But I think like, if you just look at it as a whole like holistically, we're all on the same team were all trying to get away from all the processed foods and processed sugars, while trying to get people healthier and for on, trying to do that and we do Need to be more unified and people people have what I've said, is resonate with some people with, you, says resonate, with some people, like, we're all changing lives for the better. So let's rally behind that message. That's a win-win.
Like let's, let's go after the process food issue, and it's a total win-win 100% 100%. Well Maria, I'm sure everybody listen to this is familiar with you but frame, but it's not. Where do they go to? Find out more about you and to dive deeper into your world? Well, the easiest places just to go to Quito Maria.com. And from there, you can find the YouTube channels at the Private Facebook groups for support free support at the bottom, whatever you need is that keto.
Maria.com the trips are there to awesome, awesome. Well, I will definitely link that to those. Make it easy for people to find you. And hopefully, I'll see you at a conference here before too long. Craig was saying that y'all don't have any conferences coming up here soon, but I mean, if you just go to Bali or South Africa or something, well, should and I know I'll see you in Vegas. I'm pretty sure you're in Vegas with me. I am supposed to be speaking at that one. However, it also.
So conflicts with one of the competition's that I'm going to be doing so I don't know what's going to happen there. Like all my competitions gets because I'm competing this years. I've got like three to five competitions gonna be doing and a lot of times, their dates shift but I kind of have to be at the mercy of those. If you are in Vegas, let's go have dinner. Okay, 100% sound me. Uncle Maria Pleasures.
Always looking forward to chatting with you again, seeing you soon and there's ever anything I can do for you. By all means. Let me know. They're so sweet. Give a big hug to your wife. Okay, I'll do it. Take care. Bye.