What's going on, ladies and gents, Robert Sykes, keto Savage.com, and I've got special guest. Corey Madras, go online today and we're going to dive into the goruck race competitions. Which I honestly don't know much about, but he's gonna enlighten me without further Ado. How are you boy? I'm doing awesome. Robert, how are you man? Man, I'm great, I'm great, never better. So yeah, give the audience. Go back man on you how long you been doing Ketone? Just kind of what got you into
this space in the first place. Um it's a little muddy when exactly I started keto cuz I first learned about it from Tim Ferriss has for our body book and I think that was back in April last year is when I kind of started to go Quito and I did a go rock event and then like I got done with it and immediately I'm like, I need Cakes. And then I just wrecked everything that I had done. So I kind of went away from it
for a while. And then back in June last year, I started going at hardcore, discovered your podcast, I discovered Brian Williamson, and Danny Vega's stuff and and
started gleaning some real. Good tips and advice on how to keep me and he do so, I started refining what I was eating and my methods and tracking better and getting an idea what macros I should be hitting and so I've been going strong since I would say June 26 I want to say is when I started going serious and I've only broken keto about three times. Since then. Very nice man. Very nice. The I've read the 4-Hour Body and he Advocates like the slow car.
I think I remember correctly. Yeah. He I mean his method seems more like the cyclical keto, which it takes me too long to get in the zone so I don't want to mess that up. So I tried not to do any cheat days or nothing like that. Yeah, I agree man I think you just buckle down and kind of put your head down and get to work and stay keto for for a while. Strict he do then you just lose all the desire to break that cycle in the first place, right?
Right. Yeah. And I mean, And it's been awesome. I mean, the typical, you know, Trend with everybody's, they start Quito and then they get that fast weight loss real quick and you know, that 10 pounds of water weight just flies right off. Yeah. And then you kind of slow down but I mean, look at my graph. There's a pretty good slope to what I've been doing over these past few months and I'm basically down about 70 80
pounds. Now just in that sense since July. Yeah, since since the end of June, It's a currently it's it says 71 on my fitness pal but you scared to weigh myself before I started keto. So I was like, 290, 291 somewhere in there and just today, I was, I was pushing to 17. That's crazy, man. It's awesome though. Congrats, I'll thank you, thank you. Have you like done like body scan analysis and whatnot to see if you build muscle during that time to?
Um, I took and I did my first Dex is Scan in December of last year and I was reading about 31 percent during that. And then just last month, I went in for a second one. And I was down to 25% and I'd put on five pounds of muscle. See, that's, that's awesome, man, because like, I don't know, like, a lot of people the Dogma is you can't build muscle on keto first of all then you can't build muscle while restricting
calories. And I got that there's just so many instances of people like yourself, you know, perfect example, losing body, fat and building muscle simultaneously, and just feeling much better in the long run. Oh, I gotta tell you, man, the place where I get my dexa. Scan done. Is I live in Toledo, Ohio, which is kind of like the corner of the state.
And so I'm real close to Epsilon T and Ann Arbor, which are up in Michigan. So I was going to Eastern Michigan University in order to get my dexa scan done. And the first time I went in the girl doing the scan, she goes, you know, Aikido. It's really hard for people to build muscle and so I had to laugh when I went back for that second skin and she was the attack running the machine. And it's like, oh look at that five pounds of lean mass added.
Mmm, did she say anything or did she forget, she probably forgot. She's, you see seized dozens of people a day that I mean, that that dexa, scan is like the only one in the area that I'm aware of. Now that's awesome and I have you been able to tell difference like just looked in the mirror and just kind of seeing your own competition. Oh yeah man it's like I got that v-shape going.
Now, I see definition, I like I can't stop looking at my quads when I take a shower because it's, you know, used to be. So is just an Abe orphis blob. And now I see all these ridges and I can name the muscles. I'm looking at. Hmm. You know, I get a lot of crap like bodybuilders in general that people just That they're really Vain and they just look and look at themselves in the
mirror all time. Yada yada yada but it's pretty freaking cool to be able to have control over your own body and manipulate, you know, how lean you are. How much muscle you have, how you look. And then to be able to see these minut changes, take place you know on a day-to-day basis compounded over months and months. It's like that's freaking cool. That's powerful. You know I mean most people don't know how to do that so you know for you to be able to add
that's awesome man. Yeah, I mean, for the person on the outside looking in, it might look like vanity, but I'm, I mean, you put a lot of work into this, you know, especially bodybuilders, like you who really know how to manipulate the muscles and make them grow, you know, you do you want to appreciate all the hard work you did. So yeah, you it's okay to look at yourself. It's just just don't let it go to your head. Yeah, I agree. My dad, he rebuilds.
He's got like this old muscle car that Built that it was his first car when he was 16 to 68 Camaro.
And he spent like he totally read it from the ground up and it's just like a work of art now and every time he drives it you know people would be like turning their hands and looking at it drive by and he just like smiling the whole time because you know he put all this work into something and people are appreciating what's there and I don't think that's any different than somebody's physique you know like you put all this work
into something and it's not bad for people to acknowledge that that you look great. You You know, you built this and people respect the time and effort you put into it. Like there's nothing bad about that. Exactly, I can't agree more. So tell me about that. Kind of like your your sporting events or activities. Like what got you into, the goruck goes to transition into that. Like have you always done that? Um, well, I mean go rock is it's a relatively new company.
It's not really a sport. At least, I can Define it as a sport yet. It's more of almost a combination leadership, training in endurance event. Rolled into one i-i'll take you on a little journey, on my timeline, back in 2013, I was getting married and I just
started a new job. I'm a physical therapist assistant by trade and the job I started was I was working as aquatic therapist at an outpatient clinic here in Toledo. So basically, I got to stand in a 94-degree pool all day with my shirt off, trying to teach people to do exercises so I give them to walk and get them feel better. Take away some pain and I mean you get real self-conscious you know I'm I was at that time. I think I was about 3:30 and so I did that for a couple months
didn't lose a single pound. So then I started doing a little bit of Coaching with a local gal, she got me eating vegan of all things. Like I, I've almost pains me to say it because I never thought in my wildest dreams. Hey, that dietary change I would ever do something like that. And it's like, what, what, what changed I mean? What were you eating previously? Okay, so I mean, - I was just the standard American diet before I made that change, so it
was fast food. Every day, you know, wake up drive to work and on the way hit McDonald's and grab you know, 3mc griddles and diet pop and and shall that down and then go to work and do Five hours in the pool and then an hour and notes and then go to Chipotle and grab to burrito and house them. Like they're nothing come back to work, see patients for another four hours on land and then do a mess of notes and then go home and eat whatever, you know, was available at home.
And so I was pretty hefty dude and you know, being in a swimming pool. Shirt off off being the person that's trying to teach other people how to be healthy how to
feel pain free. I think there's an expectation there where, you know, you should look a certain way and a lot of people in my field will disagree with that and and to some extent yes you know my balm type doesn't Define my Professional Knowledge, but at the same time there is an expectation and that if you don't live up to that expectation, You're kind of letting your patients down and away. Yeah. And not in a negative way. I mean, we're all good
clinicians. We all care about what we do, but if you can align their expectation, with the service they receive. I think you get a more positive outcome. I agree. So from, you know, standard American diet and fast food to vegan veganism that what we're not even know what vegans eat man. I never tried to be. I didn't like what was it typical day of eating for you? Then back in the day, I used to say, oh yeah, I feel great. And I think it was just me deluding myself.
She it started out almost paleo. It was like a gradual change. So I was kind of doing paleo. I'd had I done it before when I was going through school and so we we did paleo and then we kind of switched it slowly. To work in the meat out of it. And before I knew it, I was making juice for breakfast and, and taking a juice for lunch and then eaten, a completely meat-free dinner will ever like spaghetti squash and, you know, I like a marinara sauce and, and a bunch of veggies in there.
And I remember just feeling cold all the time when I wasn't in the pool hole. And nowadays, I've switched over to Quito and I just feel awesome. All the time, was there like a pretty significant shift in? Like, just how you felt the Sue just pushed over like that. Take time. Um, well I mean, I didn't switch over until last year. So I kind of, I kind of got away from the vegan once I plateaued out at about 250. And so I was like, well, I'm flat out.
Plateaued, what do I do? And then is there was a CrossFit gym in town, so I was like, well maybe I'll go build some muscle and that'll get things moving. So I did CrossFit for three years here in town, and I really liked it, but really didn't see any change my body come up. I mean muscle mass one up, but I was still kind of soft. One of my friends there is named Michael to yushik, He told me about goruck, and when I was in high school, I really wanted to be in the military.
I thought that's where I was going to gonna spend the rest of my life in high school. I went to military entrance processing station or as they call it maps and it's a really
fun time. If you ever talk to somebody who's been in the military, or is gone through it, because there's a little thing called the underwear parade where they have, you do all these movements and the doctors, At the military or just assessing you to make sure you don't have any injuries or anything prior to entering so that you don't work the system
or something like that. So did that went through the whole process and then the guys at the map station go, you're too heavy so they didn't let me in the military because it is too heavy. And then just a few years ago I got diagnosed with narcolepsy. Which Which is a sleep disorder, is characterized by excessive daytime sleepiness. So there's no waiver in the Department of Defense for
narcolepsy. If you have it, then you can't serve because they're too worried about you, falling asleep at your post and, you know, potentially causing a bad situation for you or your unit. So he told me about goruck and I was all about it and he goes You put on this weighted backpack you show up to handle this guy from the Special Forces come out. He tell you what to do, and then at the end, they give you a patch and I'm like, yeah, that sounds pretty awesome. I mean, the patch, I don't
really care but, you know, cool. Yeah, it's something to do on a weekend. So I signed up for my my first event was I got it here. I was in Detroit. Oi class 883 on July 25th. 2015, it was a goruck alight and we had to Cadre there. One was a Marine Corps weapons sergeant and I honestly can't remember what the other guys job was, but I believe user a marine as well and it was about 45 hours of them, putting us through the wringer. That sounds amazing. You don't even know what to
expect, right? I think the obstacles and everything might be totally different from time to time. All, that's the thing. There are no obstacles. All of this is done. They start point is a public Plaza and you all gather at the plaza. They do a roll call and, you know, a quick safety brief and then they start having you. Do you know physical training with your your backpack, on your rock? And then it's marching you all over town.
And then you'll do pt here or you'll you'll be carrying heavy objects which we did both, we carried heavy objects, we did PT. We got to see some of the sights of the town. I know recently. Well not recently within the past few years, they demolish, the old Tiger Stadium and so they still have the baseball diamond there, but none of the building He's still there.
So we got to rock all the way from Hart Plaza, which is by the Detroit River. All the ways of the old Tiger Stadium and then we did some stuff at the old Tiger Stadium, which I thought was really cool. That's awesome. And so like there I mean that I said I don't know much about this but I guess they're all over the country now is just like an organization that manages all these is it all kind of done in-house. Or is it all like independently
contracted? Um well basically I'll tell you the origin to go rock and I'll try to make it. Reader's Digest version goruck, was started by a Green Beret. His name is Jason McCarthy. He came up with the idea to build like the best backpack ever, you wanted to be very functional, very tough and American-made. So he kind of sketched out a little rough drawing on a
napkin. And when he separated from the military, he started working on being an entrepreneur and basically built the The goruck backpack and then to prove that it was the best backpack ever. He came up with the goruck challenge and this was probably I'm not exactly sure on the dates. I want to say it was 2008. Maybe when they they first came up with the goruck challenge so there wasn't a lot of information out there there, nobody knew really what it was so people just signed up.
Ben showed up. And from what I understand was pretty arduous. It was, they didn't tell anybody exactly what they're going to be doing and give a timeframe there. Just said, pack this stuff and show up and then they proceeded to smoke everybody at the the event. Fast forward years later. Now they have multiple levels of the event. So there's What's called the goruck light which is roughly about 4 to 5 hours. You cover about 7 to 10 miles. And they like to say there's 100 percent pass rate.
I can tell you. There's no it's not always 100% pass rate, but we'll get to that later. They have the tough, which used to be called The Challenge but they Changed it. And it's about 10 to 12 hours about 15 to 20 miles and it has a 94 percent pass rate. Then they have the heavy, heavy is 24, plus h about a 50 percent pass rate and you cover 40 plus miles. So, what like, what all is in the backpack?
I want to show you can we how much these way goruck has a packing list on their website and they tell you depending on what level of event you're doing. So like a light if you're under 150 You carry 10 pounds of weight and your rock. If you're over 150, you carry 20, and then with the tough and heavy, if you're under 150 pounds, it's 20 pounds. If you're over its 30 pounds, in addition to that, you're going to have a hydration source.
So you got to have a water bladder, you got to have a Nalgene in case you start getting really dehydrated and they got to give you electrolytes. You have to have a headlamp and extra batteries for the headlamp and then you know, in addition to that you're going to want like a dry bag or a Pelican case to keep your wallet or your cell phone dry because all too often you're going to end up in a body of water or you're going to be going through a fountain or
something. You want your cell phone to die. I don't want to lose your car keys. You don't want to your want your soggy wallet. So That. And then you can have whatever Comfort items you want. So, you know, we call them lick, he's and Chewy's and, you know, any kind of food changes socks. The big thing and I should buy stock in this is It's called
body light. It's an anti chafing almost like deodorant kind of thing and then usually like a couple of carabiners in case you need that for during weights and what not? And then like a windbreaker or something to insulate you from the elements because it doesn't matter if it's raining, it's shining, it's snowing. If as long as the the National Guard isn't there, keep in martial law, the go rocks, doing an event, so it doesn't matter what the weather is you're out
there. What, like I said I can meet, you know, regulation as far as you know what you're wearing like your Footwear and everything. Um, that is like the running joke. Within the goruck community, goruck people, we refer to ourselves as G RTS, goruck tough but there's also another name we go by is weirdos because if you're walking around or well if you're driving around in a city and you see a bunch of 40 people and backpacks, that kind of look like their paramilitary.
You're like what are those weirdos doing? Yeah. So the weirdos really To the big discussion is what, what do you wear? What shoes do I wear? What boots do I wear? And it was explained to me best by one of the goruck Cadre. He said it's Shooters choice. You got to find out what works for you. So for a goruck light, they are usually recommend tennis shoes for a tough. You can do tennis shoes or trail shoes. If that works for you. Me personally, I like to use
boots. So I wear boots for all my events now because I like the ankle support and the first light I did in Detroit, they ended up making us crab walk through a fountain over by the river and then they had his bear crawl back through the fountain and by the time I was all done, my shoes were soggy and I had worn out like the back lip part there and it was like rubbing on my heel. And so I was like No, never doing never doing tennis shoes again. What kind of boots you use them?
I use Rockies. See, 40s, which are discontinued their. It's almost like a jungle boot style. They have drainage holes on the inside. So that if you get water in them, it can drain out and then you're not like walking in a water bed. I also have a pair of Rocky's SV 2's. I believe those are all of the ones I used for wintertime. I just just got to use those for a tough and a light back to back in Columbus and they worked out real well, and you've done like 20 of these events know.
Right. I've done to date 16 total events and I'm signed up for I think it's 19 for this year with. I already got two down. That's crazy man is like you got several each month. It's like being in the National Guard. I like I gotta do two events, every every month, one weekend a month for the rest of the year. But it's just funny because it's just grown exponentially. I started out. I only did two events my first year and then I did five events
my second year. And then my third year, I think I did seven events, but I got sick and then I couldn't do as many as I wanted to do. So then this year, they were there running the sale and I drink the Kool-Aid and bought up every event that they were doing in Michigan City. You travel outside of Michigan or do you pretty much? Keep it all local. Um, I've traveled a little bit, I live in Toledo, so it's right there by the Michigan, Ohio border. So, I've been up to Ann Arbor to
do an event. I've done Detroit. I've gone over to Cleveland Columbus. As far as Traverse City and then I even did one event in Indiana. Which was a go rocks, firearms training in event and in addition to their endurance events that you firearms training and they do survival training and stuff like that. So it's more than just endurance events but endurance events that are what hooked me. So, what's like the? Like if you can look back over the 16th at you, Done so far.
Was it like one that stood out as being the most mentally and physically just draining? Oh yes. Let me see that one. A detail, man. I'm curious. Okay, so it was Veterans Day. We're trying to think. I think that was 16. Yeah, that was that was Veterans Day last year. Yes. No, not last year that was 17. So, yeah, I was 16 November, Ann Arbor Michigan, and it was about know. It was, it was cold. It was real cold. I hate the cold. You know, it live in Ohio working in Michigan.
You think I get used to the cold but it doesn't matter. How used to it? You never all the way used to it. So the start time for that, it was a tough start time was 9:00 at night. They wanted us to meet at this park near pretty much where all the hospitals are in Ann Arbor, because you've got the VA, you've got University of Michigan health system.
So there's tons of hospitals and and things and in Ann Arbor and we're in this big Park and I remember looking at the event page on Facebook and I just couldn't believe how many people are showing up and we had something like 118 participants show up, which is somewhat unusual because normally when I would do an event in Detroit, you know, we get 60, 70, maybe 80, but For close to 120 people show up. That's pretty awesome. We had three college or a Cadre,
are the instructors. So, when goruck sends us out on these endurance events, they send out someone from the military who is or served as a special operator in some capacity. So, we're talking Navy Seals Marine Recon Army. Jurors are Green Berets Army, Special Forces, Navy corpsman, who are attached to the seals. I think there's a couple of Air Force comp controllers. May be a PJ. I don't quote me on that one. I'm not sure. I haven't had any Cadre.
Who were Air Force yet? But I have had Navy Seals and Rangers and Marine Recon. So, our three Cadre for that night was Cadre. Michael, who was who is attached to Marine Recon? Then it was B, squared. Brian squared, he can't write. Remember what he was. I want to say. He was a marine Recon guys. Well, he was, he's He's kind of he had the notoriety as being
the toughest Cadre and goruck. So yeah, we already knew we were in for a smoke Fest there and then the third person was Cadre, Rooney, who is a, an Army Ranger. And little, did I know would become actually one of my best friends because I ended up coaching him on how to get into keto later. Very cool man.
Yeah. So we show up to this event, it's a big open field and we just park, and it's always funny at these events because you're all standing around your middle and you're checking your you're nervous. You know. What's it going to be like it's always like the qadri come on to left field. Like they just they just know how to sneak up on everybody. And I remember Cadre, Michael just starts starts yelling for us to get in formation because it always starts out.
The welcome party is usually a gear check and then a lot of PT. So I think the first thing the Hannah's do is put our rocks down and there was a parking garage like directly in front of us and he says, all right I want everybody up on.
I want you to get up to the top of that parking garage. and back down here and I think it was something like six minutes so the entire class just starts booking it and we run up the fire steps on the one side and then I guess somebody had the foresight to run up the other side or something and open up the the door so that we could all go across the roof and then we're booking it across the roof to the opposite fire stairwell and then back down and then Then back to where he wanted us to
form up and then it just, it was it started. I was Smoke Fest. There was a duck walks and bear crawls low crawls. It's one of those things were if somebody messes up the whole team suffered for it because I go rock event is it's not an individual event. You you're there to work as a team there's only one event where you work as an individual and that's Selection, we can get into that later. But when you, you show up to these events, you got to be prepared to work with your team.
There is no, you're not going to be Captain America and show up in here and and and can't kind of lead the way and be the rock star that carries everyone else through. It's everybody working together is what's going to get the job done. So you know, anytime somebody's, you know, but it's up in the air during a push-up. Up. And if your knees are touching the ground during bear crawl. Yes what go back? Do it again. Do it right. I like it, man. I and these sound the sound
pretty internet, interesting. I'm curious to try one now. I think, I mean, if you if you had to ask me because I've I loved your interview with Marcus Aurelius Anderson. I think he's an awesome fellow. I think a goruck event is really the embodiment of Stowe to stoicism because you are going out there and getting comfortable being uncomfortable. You're embracing the suck, you're doing that thing, you don't want to do so you get better at it.
Mmm. And that's that's really what these events are about because there's nowhere else. I really know of where you can go out and test your leadership skills and use it to learn without having some negative repercussions. If I go into work and I try to be a team lead and I see screw something up, I could potentially end my career but if I go out on and go run, A event and you know, the cadres: for a team leader and an assistant
team leader. And I volunteer, this is my opportunity to go out there and fail and learn from it and become a better person from it. Yeah, absolutely. I think I don't like, I like the idea of no one individual wins, they all help each other because I mean like with bodybuilding like I love body glance individual sport but it's like a constant push to like be better than myself. Better myself and was always against me.
But it would be cool to like separate from that for a moment and like focus on helping somebody else be there better self, you know? So it's amazing because there's a lot of terminology. So, if you hear something that I don't, that isn't quite clear to you.
If feel free to speak up, but we have a term called gray Manning, and then is where, when you're in the middle of event you know 10 hours in its pitch black out, you've been carrying your rock, you've been carrying the team weight that the you're supposed to bring or the weighted American flag that we carry out front of us or the Cadre of brought what they call coupons which is just extra weighted items that really suck to carry and they're cumbersome but you got to carry it anyway because
he said so people you know start to they start to shut down, they To go inside themselves and start that negative talk or, you know, they just, I've been carrying it thing for 10 hours. I don't want to carry it anymore and then just so they like carry it for 5 minutes and then they call for switch. And then they go to the back of the line.
That's, that's when if, as a teammate, if you're standing next to that person, you know, you're digging in your rock and you're looking for that, you know, little B little bit of beef jerky. Key or one of the snacks. They like to take is chocolate-covered espresso beans that little bit of food. You know. Can someone suddenly snap someone right out of it then it can be. It goes from you know this sucks too. All right, we got this. Yeah. You know you look to your left.
You look to your right. It's those people next few. It's not about you. It's about your team and how you guys can get through this together. It's so it's so cool, man, like to do something, especially with other people that you have camaraderie with and and nobody
else like would do that. Like, I went to, we were duck hunting one time down at the farm family got a family farm down south and it was like, December and we went like two miles Downriver and then our outboard motor, quit on us and in the river was up. So we had to basically bring
this boat back upriver. So, I jumped in The super fully clothed and I'm like, holding onto the boat and then like pulling vines that are hanging off the side of the bank for two miles upriver and like everybody's on the boat, you know, helping them get to like, you know, run another six miles back to the cabin. It was just, it was, it was brutally cold. It was just miserable. I'm not my blisters but I didn't prepare for any of this stuff, you know. Oh yeah.
And it's just, it's just cool like that. I was smiling the whole time because it's like man. Nobody else would be doing this. Nobody else. I mean this would be just, you know, debilitating for people. But I love it because it's just hard, you know, I love the hard
things, my brother. He used to sail boats out on Lake Erie. He tell me that he liked to there's a race called the trans Eerie so you getting your sailboat and sail from one side of the Great Lakes to the other and he loved it because it's like how many people do that, you know, or he could be out there in October when the waves Up and it's raining sideways and be at the front of the boat just yelling to his friends. We're doing something.
Yeah, that that's cool man. Like people they don't want to be uncomfortable and they don't want to feel unsafe but then that's when like you feel alive. Like when when you're out of your comfort zone, when your safety is at risk, you know, like that's that's when I light up. Well and I mean to some degree, you know, you're never 100% safe
but on a go rock event safety. She is the priority but at the same time you know you gotta sometimes you got to do, you got to push it, you got to push it and that's that's what we're trying to do with those, but I get it that adrenaline's pumping you feel alive and it's just that it's that shared experience it's that you've been through something kind of feeling. Yeah, absolutely. So what happens when people like if somebody Is not, you know, finish it.
What happens in like they just stopped running? Well, that's one of the things that are neglected to mention was when you you sign up for an event, one of the things on the packing list is you're supposed to bring $20 in cash, that's your quitters cash. So if you you know in the middle of the event, you decide this isn't for me anymore, you know, codger gets on their cell phone calls, you a taxi and you go back to your car, Got you. So any moment you could be quitting. Is that like a?
I don't like that, like negative stigma there. Anybody just not wanting to do it. Oh yeah, shame or something. No, no, not really because it is a team event and it's just, there's some people it's just not their night, you know, they didn't they didn't get much sleep the night before because they're so nervous or you know, they worked all day before they came out the event. So you know half the time We were realize people quit during
the event. I was telling you about in Ann Arbor Veterans Day. We started with it like that hundred 1820. We ended with something like 78. There, we had that many quitters so what, what happened? Like we kind of got off-track. We digress. Hey, what else happened with that with that event?
Okay, so in in go rock there, there's, there's a formula almost There's a welcome party which is what the college we were putting us through, they did the safety brief, they did a gear check and half of the reason for the gear check is so they can find something that you forgot to bring or you didn't think you needed to bring even though it was on the packing list. So they got another excuse to
smoke anymore. So they did the year check and then they split us into three groups, each Cadre had their own group, and then they put us through their own kind of Physical exercise thing. And so, we would rotate and this group of do this, and then, with this college, or another group, would do this. And so on, so forth. And then, after the welcome party was over, they introduced
this one guy. I don't even know who he was, but apparently he had cut down some some logs locally and stripped all the bark off of them and brought him out to the event for us to carry. Re. And these are huge logs, huge. I have no idea what the weight of them was, but I want to say four to five hundred pounds and qadri Michael goes, these are your boats. You're now going to be separating a boat cruise and we've got to move these boats X distance in this amount of time
and it just so happened. I was lucky I guess is the term. We were chosen to move the logs first, so one group was moving, the logs. Another group was with, going with Cadre B squared and another group was going with Kashmir uni and they were all doing their separate thing and we had to carry him and I think it was three or four logs. So many miles away, you know, a certain point. You don't know what the distance is anymore and you just you just
know that it's rough. You're under That log, that log is unforgiving or gravity is unforgiving, you know, your it's always pulling on you 9.8 meters per second squared, so it doesn't even care that we prepared a lot. That's where a guy got a little iffy to, because I think when I first started that, that Evolution, we had probably like seven or eight people on that log and then as as we continue down the road, You know, people started quitting on us.
So that log was even harder me and then we're dropping the logs and toddler is yelling at us. And then finally, we get to a point where he's like, all right, see his parking lot, get your logs over there, get them down and then get over in that grass and getting the front line in rest position, front lean rest is, you know, the push-up position and I think from there, he proceeded to smoke us for dropping his boats.
Yeah, So we're crawling through Frozen grass in November, you know, it's like cut and you, and you, and I mean, this is your everyday grass like your front lawn, but in November in Michigan with the frost, it's it's unforgiving. So we're crawling through that trying to make up for dropping his boats and then he takes us back to the start point, so he can trade us off with Another College Ray, so the nice little not. So nice thing about that event.
Was it done with with one? Kajri you stood there and you waited for the other Cadre to come back with their groups. So we got back to the the field and then well ruin. He's not back yet, so we gotta wait for them. So we you just see a group of a standing, a big penguin, huddle close together. Trying to stay warm Warm because the winds blowing and it's like freezing, sweat your pores. So you know it's you know, heat you up. Cool, you down, eat you up cooling down.
It's like a gas station, burrito by the end of it. I was as cold on the outside, is warm on the inside. But what was the the next rotation?
Then we, then my team went to Cadre Rooney, who he assigned a team leader and wanted us to navigate to a park nearby And my one friend who I think ended up being the Navigator, let us to the wrong Park. So another smoke Fest and ensued and I think Rooney kind of went over doing fireman's carries with us and so sometimes they'll teach a skill fireman's carry was the skill. That Rooney decided to go with
on that day. So we're there we found a hill in a park that wasn't supposed to be our park and we're fireman's carrying each other up and down the hill so that we can learn that skill. He sometimes what the Cadre will do with that time twos, they'll kind of take your time a little bit of time to tell us about, you know, stories in their service. So Rooney got to tell us about going through Ranger school and All the crazy stuff that ensues. And then he took his back to back to the field.
The trade us off with the to be squared, but we ended up. Oh, he also taught us tourniquets with you with whatever we could find. So, on the way back to the field, every once in a while, Cadre will, start mixing things up if they see that you're doing well, well, all right. Time to increase the stress. And see how they do. So we're going across a bridge and Ann Arbor. He goes up this part of the team, just took an IED blast. You guys got to put tourniquets on and start, buddy.
Carrying them back to the start point. It was pretty cool. I like the unexpectedness of it all. Yeah, so we got a, we got to pull their rocks off. We got to put, you know, makeshift tourniquets on them. We got start carrying them and I mean, you know, we were pretty smoked. I mean, I could feel my legs cramping up when we were walking to the On Park. Mmm. So the idea of taking and carrying someone else's rock or carrying someone else was miserable.
But we were so late that at one point Rooney made us I think it was bear-crawl, really slow through an alley that was near the start point and there's a think there's a video of it up on Facebook and there go Ruff Tuff page but we were just we were going slow and you know you you mess up you gotta pay the man and that was that was what we had to do to make up for being slow and not pushing through.
Give me like anyway, just like totally break down, like never having done anything demanding like this. They just totally break down in front of you. Um I remember there's has been events where I seen people quit 10 minutes in really? Yeah, I've seen that there's I mean other times, I'll see it where they might try to do a heavy and a telephone, a light back to back to back. So you know, your heavy people come limping in when you're fresh. Getting ready for a tough.
And then at the last second they're like, yeah, I'm just going to withdrawal. I don't, I can't do this. So I'm, but I've never seen anybody just completely lose it so to speak. But I mean, you're under stress. So I see people lose their temper. All the time. I saw two girls in Cleveland one time. Getting an argument, which it turned out later was a my chat Our president for team rwb, which is a volunteer organization that I'm actually rocking coordinator with your in Toledo.
Yeah, she was. She was arguing with another girl, who about a sandbag that they were carrying or something like that during a light. I, the last event I did in Columbus during the tough, we had a guy who I think he was probably in his early to late. 50s.
And like, we were going through the welcome party and he like walked up the Cadre. He's kind of like I don't think I can do this and then the Kadri, can I give him a little pep talk and then he got back in and act in into the, the mix and ended up finishing event with us. So we're, you know, we're not trying to get quitters but, you know, some people, it's just not their night. Have you ever done like any of the other? Like, let's not even a race by viewed.
Unlike any of the Spartan races are tough? Or anything that I did a Warrior Dash up in Flint when I was going through PTA school. And, you know, it's, they'll people tell me that I need to do like a Spartan and I probably will some point, but it's just not something I'm really interested in because after that were Dash, I trained up for it and I did it. And then I, oh, I got a little metal, and I was washing mud out of places for three days.
Hmm. And I really didn't Don't Come Away With It with any usable skill. Yeah. Whereas with the goruck event, you know, you go out there you find out something about your, you know, how much you can endure, how much of a beating you can take or if you take on that team leader role, you learn something about leadership. You you know I've had caligiuri teaches how to do tourniquets. I've learned Basic lamb nav. I've learned water navigation, different survival techniques.
You know, I Come Away with some kind of usable skill that I can either apply in an emergency situation or I can apply it to my everyday life as in a leadership role or from a managerial role. That's pretty cool man. I got really like I don't like I like all my friends are in the military so they are always doing these cool training things and whatnot. It's like that.
That's pretty good. Going to be able to like offer that to the public and like a way that's, you know, hitting on all cylinders with regard to you know, leadership and just physical fitness and just teamwork. Absolutely. I mean it's it's kind of funny because I do Pathfinder training which is a program that was developed by a group of people called team spearhead and we were talking in one of our Facebook groups. One day and was like me and you guys ever get depressed after
you get done. With a with an event and like everyone's like yeah we always do mean you had this really good team and you really came together and you were able to accomplish awesome stuff and then one of the guys who is you know he's he was in the military he's like wow you guys get depressed after you get done doing events you know like somebody who gets depressed after they leave the military. Hmm. So I mean I don't want to do To
belittle anybody service. I'm very, I'm very grateful American but there is a parallel in there somewhere where after you leave the military, you're used to working with motivated individuals, as a team. You have a purpose you know Ed when we get done with a go rock event, we were a team. We had sort of a purpose and we were working together and then
you lose that. So it really gives you I taste maybe not even a taste but just and a little bit of an idea of what our service members go through when they start their service and when they and their service because there's a lot of trepidation when you start basic training from what I understand. And then there's that kind of depression that you get when you leave the military and you don't really know what to do with the rest of your life. It's pretty cool, man.
I'm up to have to go on the go. It's She's got to go wreck.com and then I can sign up for an event. Yeah. They got a they've got a map at that you can look in your area what events are going on. You know it's the they got all the information, all the packing lists they sell gear, you know they have got goruck backpacks that are warrantied for for life as long as you own that rock as Long as you don't shoot it, stab it set it on fire.
They'll you can send it in to them and they'll repair it or or if need be replace it and keep it going for as long as as you. You can move it. Yeah, that's awesome. What do you do for my cat training perspective? Like if someone wanted to prepare for, you know, goruck event, what would be the ideal style of training, really the Thing is I find that you gotta train like you're going to be
going to the actual event. So another group I'm involved with is f 3 Toledo. F 3 is kind of a fitness Faith Fellowship organization. They just try to get guys together outdoors and do free workouts and it's led by one of the piers of the group and we do a lot of rocking with an m. F3. So my F3 guys right now are just getting ready to do a goruck event here until you do.
That's a custom event. And most of them are just used to putting like the 35 30 pound plate in their backpack and just going walking around and Bs and you know, with us and and telling jokes and the usual thing one day, I told him. All right. Listen load up your rocks. Like you're going to go to the event because yeah, usually do your 30 pound plate. Maybe some water. You're not used to carrying all that other gear.
So the big thing is getting the time under the rock, with the actual gear and knowing how your body is going to respond to it. Because if you've never put on a fully loaded out rock and then you go out there, you're going to have a bad time. Yeah, I can imagine. I mean that's that's a lot more than just your body weight there, right?
So you know, the big thing is you doing going out there getting the miles in but also you know, doing PT with your rock on, do some squats, do some back squats, do some front squats, do some overhead squats, do overhead rack holds. I remember during that Veterans Day event that I hate so much that but loved the same time. There was one Guy who couldn't hold his Ruck over his head for a minute. You know, so if you can't hold that the rest of the events not
going to be too fun for you. Yeah, for sure. What about, what about nutrition? I what do you do? Like what are you bring with you? What other people bring with them? Okay, well, I mean other people, I only know a couple of Aikido G Artis and I've never done a event with them yet. So me personally I pack usually like, I'll take exogenous ketones because You know, that's going to have high potassium, high sodium.
So if I get to a point where I'm really starting to cramp up or something, I'll mix it up in my knowledge gene or I'll get the, the key Genex has that like, mouths break exoticness ketones. So if I start feeling like mud headed, you know, my brain starts getting foggy and a couple of squirts of that and that might be enough to kick me out of your grave Manning eating evolved has these awesome. Coconut butter cups.
If you ever had those, it's going on getting involved, is the brand evolved eating I think is the name of them. I'll check them out. I got heard of him. Yeah, they got some sweet. Coconut butter cups. Always. Yes eating involved. It's dark chocolate. Coconut butter cups? Make? They make them in a couple of different flavors and they're pretty good.
They got a fair amount of carbs in them, but imagine when, you know, when you get that At higher heart rate and your burning carbs sometimes, you got to replace it a little bit. So I don't feel too bad. If I'm at our 10 of a tough and ie2 dark chocolate, coconut butter cups because I know I'm not going to kick myself out of ketosis at that point.
Yeah and then you know, usually I enter these events fasted just because I just, I move better, I perform better when I'm fasted and I just I mostly just down water through the out, the whole event. How long do you? Fast prior to the event. Starting probably from dinner the night before or sometimes like a every now and then I'll have like a breakfast. I oh I'm one of those ones that only eats one meal a day. Yeah it seems to work real well for me so like I usually just eat dinner.
So if I'm going to be doing an event, I'll just fast from dinner. The day before, all the way through the event, if I need to So I'm even on the number like, the 24, plus our events. Oh, well, I haven't done a heavy yet, that's that's something. I'm going to tackle this this summer. I'm going to do my first heavy in America. It's actually going to be an HTML. I have you tell flight, so I'm going to try to earn earn, my htl patch and try to do all
three back to back to back. I'd be intense mean, it's 46 hours roughly of suffering. So, when when is that stock is, I don't know. Already. Oh yeah, I've got all my events planned out for the year. So this is the the Detroit 911 htl. So goruck also does themed event. So like they do the special memorial events for like the 9/11 tragedy. They do one commemorating, the Mogadishu mile, which was the a battle and Somalia during Gothic
serpent. That's the one that's based on the Movie Black Hawk Down is based on that event. Got you. They do special ones for Veterans Day for a couple of new ones. This year is Operation Red Wings which I believe that was the, the operation that Marcus Luttrell is book is Lone survivors based on well, not based on. It's a it's a telling of mmm. So, you know, the it's going to
be a serious event. Probably going to be a lot of stairs because most of the time when I see something about one of the 9/11 events the Cadre, talk about all the stairs, the First Responders had to climb to help get people out of the the towers. So this is cool man. I got, I'm getting excited now because I've been looking for something, you know, apart from just, just the normal training I'm doing just something to mix it up. It's kind of like more team-oriented.
So this this might be fitting the It perfectly, I think every perfect for a minute, I tried to try to rope Brian Williamson, and but he wasn't bite, he wasn't like he wasn't buying. He's, I think he's too busy with Kido cons, so it was just like whatever man. Oars they get. I mean, I guess it's growing pretty rapidly. I mean they got them all over the place now, right? Oh, it's it grows exponentially every year because, you know, it just gets around word of mouth and it's that shared
experiences. You know, you've the people that I've done goruck events with are the same people. I see keep showing up and up over and over and over again and I know they're good people and I can really depend on them if I was ever in a bind, I had one friend is named Rob wheeler. I was I did, I've done 13 events with him. Probably maybe 12. I'm not on a person. But I I put it out there as like, hey, I'm going to go. Do the Patriot Rock up in Detroit?
Who wants to come? And nobody would go with me. But Rob's just like I'll do it and him and I put on our team rwb shirts and we pretty much jogged the entire six miles of the Patriot Rock and we were the first civilians to get past the cross, the finish line. Very cool man. Yeah, so you just me these great people, you have a great time, you'll hear some great things and I just can't say enough nice. Things about the organization, you know, the, the events that I did up in Traverse City were
some amazing events. And I got to see some amazing landscape where I learn water survival and how to deal with hypothermia firsthand because we had some people that were starting to show signs of it. So, we had, we had to address that. Right away. And, and the goruck college-ready were very
professional. And, you know, when they saw that our safety was in Jeopardy, they said, okay, we need to, we need to pause and come back in the morning when we can keep an eye on all you guys and ensure your safety. So, I mean, you just can't find a higher caliber event to build leadership in to build a team. I love it. Love it. Yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna check this out man. Soon as this podcast I won't be going to go broke.com and seeing if I get any near me.
I mean it's there's there's it's so diverse. I mean if doing an event you know one of the challenges, the endurance challenges isn't your thing. They've got the survival events, I did one up in Detroit, it's called constellation and it teaches you different things about urban survival. You know how to How to escape and evade people pursuing you or how to build a gas mask out of a 2-liter duct tape and a dust mask.
So we're not it's not all, it's all through the go recommendation but it's all based off a different kind of genres based off of what you would prefer to do. Yeah I mean you you can you can do something like that if those things aren't interesting you maybe you're a Firearms guy. I mean all these guys know how to Manipulate a firearm better than, you know, their own hands. So they do firearms training from the very basic to very Advanced that I even listen to
another podcast. Were one of the Cadre was talking about how they have a separate list of events that they use just for training law enforcement. Very cool, very cool. What time, what? So what's your next event? What do you have coming up next? My next one is, it's the custom event here until you do. It's the grow Rock. It's a special leadership oriented event for just F three guys in the area. So that's going to be, it's a tough.
It's going to start at 6:00 at night and it's probably going to go. I'm imagining longer than 6:00 in the morning. That's exciting, man. This is cool man. You get me. Get me. Get me ready to go. I want to just jump on now and dive into it. Oh man. I love to have you on my team. So I have a team where you just kind of like, pick your own team, or, I mean, has that happened? I know is whoever shows up to the event is the team.
Very cool, very cool. I'll see if I can make my way up to your neck of the woods and make it happen, man. Me and you make it up here or I make it make it down there. Their way, I mean, I got no qualms about traveling. It's just right now, my budget is Max for the year doing 19 events. So, yeah, they would, they would be that'd be a next year thing. Well, we'll get at will get Aikido will get a keto for steam going. Well, what I need is, I need a, I need a pile of those keto
bricks man. They're sold out 45 minutes after he announced them. And I may, I'll send you one for that, that back-to-back-to-back triple heavy with light and what we'll just go with him and see how it see, how it puts up to the challenge. JH. I have no doubt. That's going to keep me. She told, especially if you used to fasten the whole time. Oh yeah. I I looked at it and it just saw that that's that's perfect. If the thousand calories because there's this magical part during a goruck.
Were the codger. Give you a little break. You sit down there. I remember on my first tough. We were in Detroit were over by the renaissance building which is like the the big building right there by the river that everyone kind of knows. Um, is trade market at Roy. And you got this, the, the Renaissance Center shining, and in the background, we just got done low, crawl, and down a hill covered in dirt and Country like, all right, just take a break and you're all sitting around.
You're sharing your food and it's just quiet and looking up at the stars, what stars? You can see in the city and everyone you just hear everyone chewing and just breathing and it's just a beautiful moment where, you know, You're coming together as a team because people are sharing food and you know, had joking around and changing their socks and you just know at that point your your cohesive team. That's awesome. Man, that I love, I love the
idea of having something. So, you know, team morning, just like the, come on the camaraderie, you get with other people that are doing just hard shit together. Like, that alone is just freaking cool. Well and then it's funny because then it starts because it became
a joke on the garage. Off page where if you're going through an airport and you see someone with a goruck bag on, you look for the patch and then you try to take a picture of them and they post on the page and they joke about it's a GRT in the wild. Yeah I like it I like it. I'm not to give me one of these bags man. So I can try to assimilate all its. I mean it's the best money I ever spent on a bag. And the problem is, once you buy one, then you start buying more.
I've got almost one of every iteration that they have it goes the bullet Rock, which is a smaller kind of everyday carry Rock. There's an echo, which I don't have. Then you go to The Rocker, which is probably your best one for shoes and to for your first event because it's it's very minimalist. You can secure your weight and it very well. It's a good first event pack and then you go to the gr one, which was They're kind of the first one they made and it's a little
bit bigger. But, you know, when you start doing those longer events like a tough and heavy, you need more more room for. Look, he's and Chewy's and extra socks. And then you start going to the G R2 which is strictly like a travel bag. You never use that for an event unless you're crazy. And then then the big boy, the gr3 is their latest one that they release back in November and that thing is huge. You could you can live out of that thing.
You have to have the actual branded Go written bag to do these. It like ever have people just show up with like a JanSport backpack and try and do this thing. Absolutely. I did my first event with 511 backpack. And they don't make them not care for that at all. No, no, no. They say, you know, they say on the websites like you can you can show up with any kind of backpack but hey ours are the best so you know try ours and but no you can come. Yeah JanSport.
I've I think somebody said something one time about how somebody did one with one of those string backpacks easy. Like like, like there was a joke because like, yeah, I think it was a dare someone lost a bet. Had to do that. That's this is pretty good advertising there for like back.
Fill backpacks, man, like your peoples other bags on, hold up, you know, everybody's gonna start getting those exactly, and I mean, I, I've had two times now, I've had to send my, my rocks back to go, rocks, cars, get repaired. I had a bullet Rook where the, the plate I carry crushed the button. I used to hold my hydration bladder so I sent it back and And they had it with back to me, within like, five days. Super impressed. That didn't cost me anything. It's my second rock.
It was the one that I'd used probably for the majority of my events. It's been dunked in, in chlorine saturated fountains, it's been dragged through the mud. It's it's survived everything. And finally, the zipper on the pocket broke. And that's, that's like the worst thing because the zippers take, like, three hours for them to sustain. When to place so they assess the Rock and they said you know the we can repair the zipper but then there's a bunch of other damage here.
So hey here's what we're going to do you. We can either repair it and it might hold up but it's not to our standard or you know, will prorate it and will give you so much off a new rock and it just so happened the same day. They released a new color. So I'm like, all right I'll take the new rock. Very cool. That's awesome. Man to get me a run. Exact to and just just get all kinds of ready to go rucking.
Right. Right. And I mean it's easy, anybody can do it and the best part is you just get a couple of friends. You don't have to, you don't have to be running, you don't have to be carrying heavy stuff, you just go off a walk and the park or in your city or in your neighborhood and, you know, and just be outside. You know, that's that's the biggest thing. Nowadays nobody is out. Side. You are inside looking at their big screen TVs or they're on their tablet and you know, just
walk around. Enjoy the world is going to do wonders for your your stress as well. Oh yeah and then I mean you can do you can do fun stuff when you get enough weirdos together. Like you can just fill a cooler and and carry that around as a waiter or something, to that extent extent. I just saw One of the ideas they gave out for the rock clubs that goruck kind of supports. Was you can fill up a cooler with with, you know, beer. Not that as a keto person. I don't drink beer anymore but
that was one of the ideas. I'm like, man, if I still drinking, I'd probably do that. But yeah, just just get outside. Be with people and just enjoy moving around. Yeah, just there's a lot to be said for that man, I did that. That's definitely does not need to go understated. I mean, you have to be in a gym. You have to be do anything out of fancy training or protocol. Just get out there and burn some calories moving around and enjoying good.
Good company. Yeah, I mean, people who've done CrossFit, you know, they know how to do a kettlebell swing. They know how to do a deadlift, well, guess what? A rock is just a kettlebell that is a little bit softer and a little more Awkward to swing. Oh, you do rocks Wings, you can do overhead presses, you can. You can do push-ups with the rock on, you can take the rock off, you can do. Sit-ups, your imagination is your limit. And so start thinking outside the box and move to Champion.
Absolutely very cool. Very cool. What can people go to find out more about you, man, and your next race. And next event, rather and get involved. Well, I'm not a big guy in the Twitter's, or the Ram. I don't know if I'm getting old or what. I don't understand. Instagram. Twitter just seems like Facebook without the, without, as much ability to write anything. So, I stay away from Instagram and Twitter, I'm a little choosy when it comes to friend request on Facebook.
So, I mean, but I run the Toledo rwb rocking Club. So, if you're, you know, in the Toledo area and Toledo Ohio area or Southeast, Michigan Northwest Ohio, And you're looking to get out and do some rocking. You can sign on with team rwb. We're great volunteer organization that just want to help veterans enrich their lives, through social and physical activities. I'm also involved with F3 Toledo. You can go to F3 Toledo.com.
Look up, you know, when we're going to have one of our workouts and come out and get some miles on to the rucked together. Other than that, I did do to podcasts for all day Rock off, which is kind of the, the, the voice of the rocking Community is very. So if you want to hear more stories about some events I've done, I told them about the Traverse City event, which was called Beach beta. So there's an episode on that and then there's an episode on the Lake Erie Put-in-Bay tough,
which was a custom event. We did near Put-in-Bay, which is kind of like a, it's an island in Lake Erie. The basically is nothing but bars bars, you know. So it's like they call it the Key West of the Great Lakes, but we were commemorating the Battle of Lake Erie in 1812 during during the War of 1812. Well, I should say. So those are very unique event and I go into much detail about that, but it was it was a fun event, really fun.
Very cool. Me, and what's the name of that podcast like that all day Rock off? Okay, cool. I'll link out those two. So, it makes it easy for people to find. Yeah, I'll have to, I'll send you a link for F3 Toledo and then the the rocking page for rwb Very cool. Very cool. Sweet man. Corey it's it's been a pleasure to let you get my interest piqued. For sure.
I'm going to dive into the goruck events now and see if I can find that one of my near near near me and just jump into it. Full Tilt heck. Yeah. Well, do one together and then we can have a whole podcast about what we went through. Hey man, I'm about that that I like I like forcing hardship upon myself. A gives me greater perspective. Well yeah and then you got to you got to Loop a couple of Then do it just so that they can they can constantly Razz. You about that. I remember that time.
Robert sign me up for that crazy thing that we did. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Just have the make stories man, making stories. That's that's the thing is, you know, my job nowadays is I'm a whole health physical therapist assistant. So I drive around people's houses and I do Rehab on them.
And, you know, sometimes it's just hard to carry a conversation for some with somebody who's been, you know, stuck in their house and they're inside their Head kind of gray Manning and so, you know, when I tell them about my Adventures That kind of perk up a little bit and, you know, yeah, they're they're in awe me and I appreciate that. They, that they can kind of look to me for inspiration but more
or less. It's just if they get something new to look forward to a story that I can tell, you know, get people. What crazy thing did you do this week, Corey? Oh well, yeah, me and the F3 guys. We were carrying sand 80 and 60 pound sand bags. Around Ottawa Park. Oh wow. That sounds horrible. I'd never do that. Well we'll see after we get you walking. Yeah exactly man.
It's it's something it's just something that be a sight excited about like there's a lot they go said for that I mean if you can have something to be excited about have something to wake up to and look forward to, I mean, you you just Limitless, haven't have a story to tell, you know, you, it's Everybody's got a story to tell and it shouldn't shouldn't be just getting in your car driving to work working all day coming home and sit in front of your TV, you know, get out there and have,
you know, do something, as my brother would say, get out there. Do something. Have a story to tell and add to The Narrative of your life? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely, man. I got, I don't like when you were a little kid. You like, you like your birthday, or something? You'd wake up and just be like, giddy all day long. Like you have like just this excitement just showers over you and you just can't contain yourself and like you lose that.
You know, you get older, you have responsibilities and like you just get in this humdrum Life Style and it's crazy. Like I'll take a pulse of myself every morning I wake up and ask myself, you know, like all wake up tired sometimes then I'll think about what I was got. Well, I've got going on that day and if there's something I could find excitement in that I'm ready to Humble, you know. Well, you know it's for me it's you know, I have one of those bad days at work.
Everybody's canceling on me or I'm running late because I had to send somebody to the hospital or I'm stuck in traffic, whatever it is and I'm just having a rough day, but then I remember, you know, you've had you've been through worse, you you'll make it through, you'll be fine. Absolutely absolutely ma'am. Well cool. Decoy it's a will definitely be in touch.
Keep in touch, man because I'm gonna Like said I'm going to look and see where these are and when they are and we'll see if we can link up and do one together, heck, yeah, can't wait to Chairman. I'll bring I'll bring bricks for all everybody. Sweet. All right brother will appreciate your time, man. It's been a pleasure all. Thank you Robert. See you buddy?