Well, hello there ladies and gents Roberts. Thanks kiddo, Savage.com and today I have special repeat guest, Brandon Scott back off for another in-depth conversation. This time we talked about his recent carb experiment. He's been keto carnivore for the past several years and he spent the past several months kind of playing around dabbling with carb seeing his body, and his mind would respond to that. So, we dove into that I, which was a great conversation. We also talked about hunting,
he's an avid Hunter as well. So we talked about hunting, we talked about all kinds of things. Talk about life. And I just got a lot of respect for brain and he's a great guy. He's constantly putting out positivity, good inspiring content, and I've got a whole lot of appreciation for him. I'm glad he's a friend of mine, I feel very fortunate to know him so well that for their do, sit back, relax and enjoy the conversation with Brandon And Brandon, good laugh. How are you, man?
I'll pretty good yourself, buddy. I'm doing wonderfully. Well, wonderfully, well, this is the second time you've been on the podcast. The first time, we talked about, like, your intro. We talking about carnivore. We talk about what got you into the space. I kind of want to do a Brandon 2.0 version of the podcast that a man. So what has been going on since the first episode So, when we record last year, summertime, probably around the same time.
Yeah, I think so. I think it's probably been about a year. Yeah, absolutely. So let's see, since I stayed carnivore / ki do. You know, mainly probably mainly more so carnivore than keto very, very heavily meat-based diet and then in January, I don't know. Something, something just told me. Take a break from this and see if going back to like, even low-carb, I call it because I didn't go strict. I didn't go, completely high-carb. I didn't flip completely.
I still kept, I still kept my carbs under like 100 grams a day, so I was roughly 100 grams a day of carbs. And of course I lowered my fat and I tried to make it work and then a couple days into it I just found myself absolutely ravenous and from Is to be 330 pounds and I used to have a binging problem, like, I don't know.
As soon as I started to introduce cars, back in January, my old habits, my mind went back to those habits like It wasn't good for me, mentally and I stayed on this path for probably two or three months. I was super active. I was renovating my house for like eight hours a day on top of work. So I wasn't really practicing any diet per se. But but yeah, so it's it was difficult because I would self-adjust if I to myself that.
It was okay to eat these certain things and it was okay to go cheat, it was okay to do this and okay to do that and my sleep was suffering and it just it everything doubt went, you know downhill back into my old Habits Like I said, so I did that for probably, I don't know, four or five months this year and I just I stepped on the scale for the first time. And I knew some of my clothes are a little tighter I gained
weight. Did not go to the gym at all during the you know, coronavirus pandemic but I was running every day so I think for me and my head I would self justify. All right. Well you're running man, you'll be fine. Your clothes are a little tight, whatever, blah, blah, blah. So so like going back I jumped on the scale and I looked at it on like, holy crap, dude. You've gained like 17 pounds and I was like, nope, can't do this
anymore. So I mean weight, Ation for me, as been a normal for my entire life. So, anyway, it was like a big wake-up call and I was like, dude, just go back to what, you know, works for you. And that's Quito. And I'm not even going to say carnivore because yes, um, you know, I eat a lot of protein. I'm animal based on all my protein, but I'm not gonna, I can't, I think, I think the time I did carnivore was good, but I can't be that strict anymore. I need some leeway.
Like, I've been eating vegetables, not every day, not, you know, not at every meal but if they're, they're like, I'll eat them. I'm not going to say, oh no, they're so bad for you, you know? So yeah, that's basically where I'm at now, back to Quito. So but yeah, that's about it. Want to dive into a lot of like, the, the mindset in Psychology around food because I feel like that's I feel like that makes sense in the context in the
realm of this conversation. And I feel like you've got a really good pulse on, you know, your thoughts towards it all. Since it all happened, pretty recently like I haven't had carbs in that. Can you tell long? So I don't even know where my body would respond or how my mind would respond. So I'm kind of curious to pick your brain just so I can take advantage of your experiment instead of having to do it myself, right?
So what what made you want to, you know, reintroduce, the carbohydrates back in like, what was the nagging thing? The back, your mind justifying doing that and just Vince, you need to give it a shot. Sure.
So I'm going to open a can of worms here because it goes back to Instagram and social media in the pressures and the ever, the evolution of diet and everybody's perspective and certain people that I follow and, you know, you want to be like, okay, well if it's okay for them, it's okay for me. I'm going to go, I'm going to go ahead and try and I think a lot of it had to do with that. I'm not saying that I follow. In mimic or do what other people do.
Because I'm a big proponent of doing what works best for you and I respect that so, but I think it was okay. I've been doing this for like two years. Is it okay? If I reintroduce it like, is it, you know, how am I going to react?
And once I started, it was like I said, a down hill battle for me for my, you know, Maya did my previous addiction that I had beat going Quito. Did you notice any, any benefit, like, was there any positive that came from its apart, from just a perspective but like any kind of physiological positive like better, better pumps, better workouts, more energy than that. No, no. Well, I honestly, I can't, I can't say that I did notice anything extra. Like I said, I mean we were I
was running every day. Some days majority of my days are just a mile for the month of August I are now. I'm sorry, July. I ran 100 miles total and I was carved fueled then. Just did, I had plenty of energy? I'm not saying, you know, like it helped it helped enhance in any way shape or form. Absolutely not. It's for me.
It was my body's reaction to the carbohydrates in my brain saying, okay, just like putting up, you know, filling up your gas tank, once you deplete it, you want more, right? So I would get that feeling of dude, you're hungry again. Does this what out of whack signals and I would go eat and Was eaten, six, seven, eight times a day and snacking and you know, back to me back to my old ways.
So totally totally. This is interesting meat man because like, you know, I'm definitely painted in the people have painted me in the picture of Robert Sykes. Chios have he's a super strict, keto guy super like hardcore disciplined about that. He didn't want anybody in carbs or anything like that and that's that's not the case at all. I don't want anybody to think that about me. I mean, that's what I do, but I don't pass judgment.
Went on other people based off of what they did and I think the fact that you you know had this curiosity at the back of your head you know, knocking and you experimented with it and then have come out of it with just tenfold, more self-awareness. I feel like that is incredibly powerful.
Like to me, it's better for you to have done, you know, keto carnivore for two years and then if you're still wanting to like experiment and figure out how carbs affect you, I The are better off for having done, that trial, period, seen how it affect you, physically, and mentally. And now you just know, like, there's no more question, there's no more nagging. What if in the back your mind? Like you just know and your degree of self-awareness is Amplified and significantly. That's right.
So yeah, and yeah, no, go ahead. No, your go ahead. So, like for me, you know, I want everybody to be able to know that. I feel like there's a lot of people in the space right now. Both just Individuals and also influencers, coaches, you know, gurus that they don't have enough self-awareness to know where they stand on a certain things. So, they'll just move on to whatever is the hype at the moment.
Yeah. I know it's human nature and, you know, like, I don't sure all them for that like everybody wants to figure out who they are and I mean, that's the way you do it. You figure out who you are by experimenting and seeing what sticks and what doesn't however you can't really Of this, fake it till you make it approach and experimenting, and paint yourself as like, the expert in
that given topic. And then the next month, be preaching an entirely different message because then you're just confusing everybody's listening to you. Absolutely. So for you, I'm just going off of that tribe right now. So, forgive me. But for you like, what, what do you want to do?
Going for like, who is Brandon Scott now, having done everything you've done in the past lost all that weight, you know, been in the keto space for Long as you have done this experiment, come out of it. Like like, where do you, where you at now? What are you excited about? I am on a straight path of staying ketogenic. There's no way in heck. You can ever tell me to to tell me that carbs are okay for everybody. So, you know, it's like you said, / everybody differs and
like that is my main goal. Now for me, personally, for my mindset, for my head for where I need to be, it's going to be ketogenic now. I'm not going to stress over protein intake. Like, if I go over on my protein, fine, big deal, like the whole, you know, extra protein knock shot of ketosis, whatever it do. I check my ketones. Nope.
I haven't even checked them in the past month that I've been, you know, back to Quito. I can I can physically tell how I feel and when I'm in it and it's almost like a self-awareness thing, like you said, But for me, yep, I will probably never ever ever go back to any high amount of carbs ever. It's just it works for me. It keeps my head focused. It keeps me motivated. I know, I don't want to be the person that I was and I slept like, I slowly started to slip back into being a jerk and
having an attitude all the time. And I could directly see how it affected my my well-being. So, I don't want to be that guy anymore. I want to be uplifting. I want to be in Jeddak, I want to have enough energy throughout the day and being in ketosis man. Burning fat for fuel is the way to go 100%. Well, I'm on the same page for sure.
Yeah, a lot of people think that if you like have this elimination approach to certain food groups and that you paint certain foods is being, you know, quote unquote, bad, that is just a weakness on your part. Like you should be able to have moderation, you should be able to incorporate everything and then be stronger than that burning desire. So like like that's definitely one arguments, that's what one side of the spectrum, you know, suggest for sure.
But like, in that context, what is your response to that? Like how do you, you know, wrap that around your brain and take that and go forward with it? So when you see people saying that you say I take a step back and I look at them and I look at their their past and I look at their physique and I look at what they're about as a person, right?
And if somebody in He says, oh, you know, you you can have everything just be, you know, be cognizant of what you're eating and you're able to cheat near able to do this. Well, you're telling that to a broad audience, right? You're not saying to that one individual that's you know, 3
400 pounds. He's had an eating issue their entire life when you have it. So to listen to people say that drives me absolutely nuts because one like, they don't know what We're going through or what we've been through, they don't know, food addiction in sometimes, they might so, you know, but nine out of ten times, let's be real. They don't, they've always been concerned with their physique, they've always looked good. They don't have any loose skin.
You can just tell man. And so I don't ever listen to that person because I know what works best for me, but a lot of people do. Yeah, it's funny because like, I know, I know a lot of different people in a lot of different types of people that have gone through very different paths and Look at my dad, for instance, in my dad is, you know, almost 62 years old. He's in shape, it looks great. He's like hustling pouring concrete next week and I mean, he's freaking, he's a super smart guy.
He's like a, he's a, he's killing it. But he doesn't know what a bicep curl is. He didn't notice Squad as he didn't care about that aspect of Fitness. He's very physically fit from like, you know, working and living on land, right. He doesn't care about, you know, physical fitness in the sense of looking good aesthetically. Etc. Etc. He's never understood my bodybuilding goals and Endeavors.
He appreciates and respects it now, but it took him a long time to figure out what the heck I was doing my life and our food. Like he's never been overweight, he he doesn't understand you know, food addiction he doesn't get it like it's just not even it does not compute in his brain and but you know you try to explain these things to somebody that's never gone that route, you know, he can moderate, whatever he can have super you know, high quality. Grass-grown whatever.
And then a piece of cheesecake at the end of it and not think
twice about it, you know. And his body was just a healthy and in shape and he'll live to see another day but for people that have struggle with food have you know gone through a binging and purging Cycles like it's you can't even relate and for like somebody like my dad who can handle that and moderate it, you know, and be fine more power to him, you know, it's not my place to say you should eat a certain way like if it's working for You can be happy and healthy with it.
You don't have these crazy nagging thoughts in your brain, then more power to keep doing what you're doing. It's working. But I don't think they have the platform have the right have the ability to credibility to tell people that have gone through, you know, various binging and purging Cycles, how they should eat. Absolutely. Yeah. I made in another thing, it's like they preached the same diet to the masses and it's your typical high.
Have low fat diet because of you, we all know that fat makes you fat, right? So, but it's that just drives me nuts, especially when they're not open to other diets and seeing what might work for one of your clients or what might not work. So, yeah, I hear you, man. It's tough. It's tough for sure. It is. It is I think I don't know man. Like from a physiological standpoint, I don't feel like there's any inherent benefit to car.
Like you can definitely use carbs, you can get away with eating carbs based off of your, you know, how efficient your metabolism is, what your lean muscle mass is, I mean, I could eat carbs and get away with it but I try and look at everything in life to the context and through the lens of. Do I really want to live life on terms of what I can get away with? Or do I want to live my life in terms of what I can optimize for? And when I think of it through that lens they're just not
really point. Like I can't really justify eating a bunch of cars because I just don't see Any benefit to it, you know, whether that's physiological or psychological. Absolutely. So, so this going back now you said that, it triggered my thoughts on my running back in July. Like I said, I ran 100 miles in July and I was I want to, I was sluggish, my times were a lot slower. Granted, I was running over three miles a day, so it's kind of taxing, but my miles were a
lot slower. When I was eating carbs because Just didn't feel as good. Now the past two weeks may have my ties have been going up. My runs have been feeling awesome like I have sustained energy through hyper thing. I crashed at the end of my run. So again optimizing, what does your body runs best on at total of him? Yep. All right, so you're doing, you're doing like a one mile a day for the whole every day of the year, right? And that wouldn't that the river? Yep, that's it.
But I have I have not missed a day yet. I haven't eaten, man. I haven't I didn't even do. This, because you've done it, but I have not nothing today. Either I started running when I did my contest prep because the gym clothes and all the stereo masters were gone.
Yeah, I switched over to running and then I just fell in love with it. So I committed to basically at least running a mile, it's usually about one point three to two miles somewhere in that window but yeah, I'm sure that's the Run since I don't know, December something of last year, dude, that is awesome. That is so awesome. Now I'm up to think like 460 some miles for this year so far. So do you use like a certain app for tracking that? Yeah I use Nike running club. Do you like it?
No, it's not bad. The only reason I got all this is David Webb was on it and he was like dude you know hit me up will be friends on there and so bad. Just I haven't used anything else because I was so used to it. Nice I'm at the play around with that and I've tried a bunch of different ones like they have tried. Not sins of that's for food.
What's it called? Strava I've seen travel yeah and It's I like it. I think that's one of the gold standards in the running app market but I feel like half the time. It totally. Miss long's my run like it. I'll be running for 30 minutes. Do some long distance run and I'll look at it in a bit like you've run for two minutes and have made point three mile progress or something like that. Oh no frustrates. Me might I can there's a bike trail up the road from me.
It's like six miles and it is nothing but twists and turns and it is the GPS on that. Spot on it. It'll track the entire thing. I've never had an issue. Nice, I think that's been my issue, because I do a bunch of off-road trail running on bike trails, and I feel like that's where it really messes up. The GPS, I'm going to switch over and give that Nike run a try. There you go. Do you have any kind of like nagging pain in your joints at all, ankles knees in that that
from running? So consistently nice not anymore. I did at the beginning of the year. Pretty consistent, outer right, knee pain. But I just I just I cuz I would I'm like one of those guys that takes something to the extreme. So I was running like a 5k Every Single Day at the beginning of the year, and I was like all right dude, your goal was one mile. Let's bring it back. Let's, let's give your body a little bit of a break. And then once I, you know, did one mile only for a couple of
weeks my knee pain went away. Otherwise, man. I don't have any dog pain at all. Nice. So, did you like, what kind of shoes you running in a? You do any kind of specific shoes? Yeah. I'm running in the Brooks and ghost ghost 12s right now. Best she's ever that I've had, I do like the the Brooks. I just got a pair of Brooks that were the she, what's the other? What's the other Brooks model? You know, I do, it's Brooke shoe
but that's been pretty good. I've got a really bad over pronated Feats. Like I got jacked up feet but the Brooks do pretty well for me for sure. Gotcha, good deal. We'll talk about hunting man. You and I are both big Hunters almost about the hunting season. Have you been shooting the bow as consistently as you've been running? Know. That is a big - no bo Mi. Nah know. I don't know, man. It's I don't know, my my focus
here. Slater's been on rifles and doing some long range shooting and and yeah so that and I got into some suppressor action, where I've got a suppressor for a couple of my rifles now. So we've been coyote hunting at night with thermal optics. So that's been that's been my focus this summer, but most seasoned right around the corner. So, I need to get on it, man. Let's talk about this for a second.
So you're doing suppressor on the coyote hunts, and because it could, you can't you just Oppressor during deer season, right? It's only for Cody's know, you can use it, at least in Virginia, we can use them. Wow, I didn't know that. Is that, that down the volume pretty, pretty good. Oh yeah, they're well, it just depends on your round because you have, you have a supersonic Rouse, then you have subsonic rounds depending on which caliber and once you put a subsonic round in a suppressor,
it's it's whisper quiet. You probably, you could probably shoot it inside of your shop and nobody would ever know that you shot it. Side. So what are you shooting? 300 Blackout? Nice. Nice, what kind of scope you? I don't know. I think it's a Aslan. Aslan Talos. You like it? Oh yeah, I love it. Love it. That's but that's all my day scope. I have a pulsar Apex thermal on my coyote rifle which is a 6.5 grundle. That's that's an awesome around.
By the way, if you get into bars any more than you are Yeah, I've got, I've got an A Yarn I love that. I'd use it mostly just for plinking around the farm. The like, I'll take it that when we go, you know, looking for paper and whatnot. But I have not done an official coyote hunts like I've have killed Cody but I've never like done the full-blown. You know have like a predator call out. Go out there with thermals like that. That sounds like a ball game.
Dude, that is so much fun, so much fun because the thermal at night you're completely blacked out. Like, you don't as long as long as you play the wind, you're on the mend and they don't see you but you can see them through that thermal scope and it's Lights Out. It's it's pretty fun. Well, I could be using thermals for the wild hog so I thought about getting them for that. Yes, you know. So that will be that'd be sweet man because our farm is just riddled with with feral pigs.
I feel like having a thermal and being able to take advantage of them moving Night would be the way to go. There, we could have a blast mittai. I'll fly out there and I'll just bring the rifle with me. We can have some fun. Do it, man, do it. All right, Arkansas deer. Season is super long. You can kill like 60 in Arkansas, which is crazy. That's a lot more than most States. But you know, the Pig season here is year-round because we're
just overridden by him. So yeah, man, let's make a trip out of it. Will have the I'm trying to get like a little get-together going with the select few group of people come out to the farm. You know, Danny Vegas is definitely in atoms, in I guess you're right now and we'll just all go out there and be freaking Savage is out in the woods man. Dude, that would be awesome and like, yeah, so if anybody else has a thermal, that would be even better, because two
Shooters are better than one. That's for sure. Two Shooters have been in, I'll get in the thermal Dot from my bow and I'll just go through with the bow. Hey, they hey, you could easily do that with a, they make a thermal monocular that you could attach to you like a helmet. Really do like some somebody. Yeah. So you can do some Black Ops like looking through your optic. Get the hog at the same time. They were very sweet. I'll be down. I didn't know.
They even had those. It's getting kind of crazy to take man like I'm all about traditional hunting where you go out there like as far as going out there like a old-school. 50 caliber Muzzleloader and freaking Buckskin leggings and now you got monocular thermal, optics, copes, and all kinds of crazy stuff. It's it's a huge Market though, man. Like And thermal optics are not cheap. Like yeah, if you, you gotta buy it, you're going to cry for that day and then you, then you're
going to have some fun. Well, those are the kind of Optics. I mean, is it All Battery pattern or how they get that set up? Yeah, it's battery-powered. You takes the cr123 batteries, some of them have an external battery packs, but they last, I think the batteries last about three, to four hours of run time. And then, once once I'm hog hunting, I just, I run an external battery pack. That way, I can run it. All night long and not have to worry about it. Nice.
Nice. Do you still use your your air rifle for all the close range? Dear, you're shooting? No, no, I got rid of it, man. I guess I got ya, I got out of the air rifle business. Well I was using it here at the house for these local deer, but they ended up tearing all the woods out beside the house and building a horse farm. So I didn't I didn't feel like I should shoot that rifle that direction anymore. So, that's the word if, uh,
yeah. If I go out into the woods to hunt a deer, I'm A real goes so morbo. You still out about hunting, right? Oh yeah, yeah, I do it all. So nice. I'm gonna try and make cuz I got I got kind of into bowhunting last year when I went on that hunt in Washington and I'm just
been freaking hooked man. Like I've been shooting every day and I feel like for me like I've got this Bulldog personality in which if there's something that I can consistently do every single day, whether it be running a mile, hit my macros or shooting the bow, like that's what I'm gonna do and I feel like that is just it's like therapy for me. Yeah, absolutely, I hear you man.
I took I think six or seven on my rifles out to a buddy's farm this past weekend and just took an hour or two to shoot and it's like you get. So it's such a relaxing. Like rewarding thing, seeing that bullet, hit the paper where you wanted to hit, you know, then you just Envision like the reward. You're going to get from when you kill a deer or a hog or whatever and then, you know, take it home and eat it. There's no better feeling ever. So you get Venison left in the freezer Stiller?
No. I do actually, we're able to kill six deer, just like you. And then, we can also buy six, more do tags if you would like. And then in where I live, we have Urban archery where the season basically lasts from September 5th through the end of March. So then we have season. The deer is the deer here in this urban area is out of control man there. Every every day when I'm My way out of the neighborhood. There's a dead deer laying there. Like, it's ridiculous. It's crazy, man.
So my shooting as well. Yeah. But it's so crazy. Yeah. Yeah, it was a vehicle, you know, it's a lot more useful. Absolutely. Gotta people people don't like us hunting either. It's just drives me nuts. Like you're going to hit this deal with your car or I'm going to hit it with an arrow. I'm going to take it home and eat it and feed my family. Like, what do you want? Yeah, we can mean, there'd be a whole podcast episode in just imagine the frustration among the people that are against
hunting anti-hunting. But again I don't want to you know I don't want to pay anybody else like if you don't want to hunt by all means don't hide. But if but you know you don't want to hunt and you're eating meat and then you're going to pass judgment on hon. Is that a respectable hunters and there's probably something loose upstairs if you want to mean. And then we can tie that back to food and nutrition. To everybody is so disconnected from that type of life that they're so easily.
Swayed by food commercials and go into the food line or the grocery store and buying a bunch of crap to eat. Like they don't know what real food is like there's no there's no connection there but yeah that we could talk about that all day long 100% man. I've been I'm trying to make room in my freezer right now. I've got A little bit of venison
hanging out still. So I've been eating backstrap, I said my bank strap for the for the end for whatever reason, but I've been eating back strap and tenderloin every single day for the past, like two weeks from today until last year. And it's amazing man. I've been, I'll get the Primal Kitchen, caesar salad dressing. I tried this last night. I got the Primal Kitchen, caesar, salad, dressing, and then just marinated in that, and then threw it on the Trager.
And that was like the bomb diggity man. Yeah, that sounds freaking amazing. How long do you cook it on the trigger? I've been doing just like a reverse sear, so I'll put it on 225 degrees and then I'll put the temperature probe in there and then I'll let it cook until it reaches about 110. I'll take it off. I'll crank it up to 500 Degrees and then soon as it gets up to Temp, I'll just put it back on the grill and sear it for about 22 minutes, each side or so that
usually does the trick. Nice gosh, my mouth is watering now. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna freaking love it, man. There's I made a post, he had a there's something about like, eating food that you've killed and like, The flavor like it's marinated in the memories, man. It's marinated in the memories of what it took to get that food and put it on the plate. And that's, I mean, you can't buy that in the superstore. You can't.
No, no, you can't. By the time you spent out in the woods, you can't buy that connection. You can't buy it at all. It's priceless priceless for sure. 100% ma'am. So I'm curious now that you're full fledged back into the keto carnivore, which I want to pick your brain about that, too, with regard to what? It earlier, you know, you're not hard core you know ride-or-die
carnivores so much as you are. Just keto, not really worried about that protein amount which I think is 100% the way to go about it. Like I think having periods of time where you're strict, carnivore can be great, it's like great elimination of Pros to just re establish a baseline but I feel like it's it's not sustainable for most people. I mean most people want a little bit of vegetation that one of the salad every once in a while and they shouldn't feel guilty
for eating, you know. Absolutely. And I started to feel that way a lot because, you know, my name on Instagram is Quito carnivore King and I just, I so two years ago, I changed my name to that just for myself because I didn't, I wanted some accountability and I was keto, but more animal-based like heavy heavy meat consumption because I'm a Hunter. So it naturally just fit and the name. Sounded cool. Don't, I won't be honest with you, right?
But so I did one month of A carnivore lost a bunch of weight. You know, naturally you're going to lose a bunch of weight and I just I got wrapped up in the whole carnivore stuff and it eventually led me to even binging on keto stuff like hito treats and snacks. And like, although I could stop Justified to myself of this is still keto, but then go binge on it. So now, now that I'm saying, I'm not strict carnivore.
I'm back to Quito is that has allowed me to enjoy the, you know, quote keto treats and you know, still good, you know, good food and it not bother me psychologically like it doesn't mess with my head, I can easily go, you know, enjoy something that's, you know, sugar free and not feel bad about it, 100% man. I mean, yeah. I feel like everything in the, in the space kind of goes in waves, like, there's certain things that are hyped up at sir. Times.
And for a while, it seemed that the past five or six months or so, it's just been about, you know, carnivore and anti-nutrients in plants and like when you pair those together, it's like you just go away on one end of the spectrum of the other. So like you want to be carnivore because there's just so much nutrient density and organ meats, and meat and etcetera, Etc.
But then, like you start painting, you know, any form of vegetation in a negative light and it's like almost like you, you're freaking criminal if you have a salad, you know. You just a weird way to think about things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, I had one guy message me on Instagram. He's like, I can't believe you eat those. Keto bricks there there, plant-based protein, and I'm like, dude, it doesn't bother me whatsoever and they're freaking delicious. Like, what is, what is it
matter? What I do? Yeah, you know, like, like, if you don't like plant-based stuff, then don't eat it. Like, that's all on you, but just just because I'm doing it, doesn't mean I'm doing. Wrong and do die. You will not believe the amount of messages you probably do. I don't you? Probably get the same crap. I've gotten over the past years but you just always deal with the haters and people that think that their way is the only way. So yeah, it's frustrated man.
Like when you especially when you own a business, you start putting stuff out there, you know, you put content out there for people to take and do with it as they will. And yeah, it's not been as bad lately but when Krystal and I first started the key to break business and we were putting out, you know, the launches and everything we would sell out in just a matter of minutes. We got so much shit, man. People would be just hating on us for.
Not making more not having the money to make more, not being good business people. It's like, you just hate on us and I mean, we would stay up all night long, you know, days on end, making these things just to be met with hate and it was like incredibly disheartening like there's a couple tear-filled nights for sure. And it's like, I got thick skin pretty quick. There and then it's like, you know what, I know what my intentions are, I know what I
stand for. I know why I'm doing what I'm doing, I have that self-awareness, I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing because I believe in and if anybody wants to talk shit on that then let them but I have no respect for them in the first place. So anything they say it's like it's like I don't care like if I don't respect them, if they're like some random you know handle on Instagram that was probably made just to be a troll. Then yeah. Get out of my life bro.
Yeah. Get out of my Business. And it the crazy thing to me is like, if I see somebody that's starting a business or doing something like that and they sell out and I didn't get one, I'm going to be like, hell yeah, I'm happy for you. Keep on doing what you're doing because it's working and you're progressing, your make your getting bigger, right? And that's what you did. So people that hate like that don't have any respect for themselves. So plain and simple.
That's all that is you gotta act like you don't want to judge but the same time you gotta like hear what they're saying and be like, they're probably Coming from a very negative Place internally and they feel the need to lash out, like, I don't know. The last time I watched a YouTube video and felt compelled to write a negative comment, like I don't right - what's the point? Yeah. What's the point? So there's none if they're gonna do that.
They're probably just coming from a negative place in the first place. And you know me, lashing back at Adams, not going to get anything accomplished. I honestly, just feel sorry for him. Yeah, just ignore the haters and move on 100% man. So, what's next for you? What's in the pipeline, what are you excited about? What excited about with regard to the keto space as a whole like where you see it? Going? Where do you see you fitting into it all? Just kind of pitch.
Some ideas my way man, I'm curious. Um I don't know, man. I so with the whole diet break the key, you know, keto break, I kind of took a step back from social media as well, naturally, right, because I'm not on there for some particular reason I still posted like once a week or once a month or whatever, but, going back and changing my name. I promise to myself, that I would not get wrapped up in any
drama. I would not get wrapped up in in any one person's choice and try to, you know, sway me in any direction like it did. And just to be myself and not consume like dude, if you were to look to my activity level and Instagram, holy crap is like 45 hours a day. No, I'm not even I'm not gonna be honest with you and now you can go to my thing and it's maybe like 35 minutes a day.
It consumed me. So I still want to be in the space and the reason for that is accountability for myself mainly, but to also show others that it's okay to screw up or not even screw up but to to figure things out for themselves and to figure out what works best for them. I constantly have, you know, messages daily say, hey man, we missed you. Like we appreciate your posts and your honesty and your humility and like, just keep on being you because I've lost 100 pounds.
Pounds because of you because I found your account. So for just just hearing that keeps me motivated with the space and just moving forward with Instagram. So so Facebook and Instagram are participant completely opposite. You know, I keep Facebook private and Instagram is open so I just don't I want to be able to share my personal experiences with everybody on Instagram so they can not just so much to
learn. From it but to to you know, just to keep on inspiring people to. It's okay to mess up and be yourself and just figure out what works best for you. So 100% managed it's funny because like all try and just observe the community that space and just see where things are going so that I can do, you know, be strategic as a business owner but also just so I can hopefully offer some value where I see where people's interests lie.
But yeah, it's it's it can be very consuming if you let it for sure. I mean, there's so much drama and there's so much drama around nutrition and it's honestly just amazes me like people get. So, you know, uptight about what people are eating and this, you know, like, I'll see something on Twitter to the worst. You don't want to go on Twitter.
It's a blank though. But I'll see people like in the flexible dieting, you know, If It Fits your Macros space, just totally lashing out about all these, you know, quote, unquote, keto zealots, that's what they call us. Yeah and there are some key toes out.
There's some there's some za It's out there that are very dogmatic in their thinking and they just don't they don't think but that is not the whole and I see stories like what you described as people having lost 100 pounds because they're inspired by something that, you know, you put out, I put out somebody put out and slike, you hear messages like that and you can't help but feel good about the community that you're in and that you're a part of and right, that's what 100% keeps me doing
what I'm doing. And I feel like we're better off, you know, for the stuff we put out for those people like that's the snow. Those are people that were doing this for. Sure. Absolutely. I love it.
Yeah, I yeah, I think I think for myself it's like I'm obviously completely honest when I took the whole Instagram break, like I didn't care what I ate like and that was it was bad for me. I'm not saying Instagram runs in my life and in regards to my diet, but it definitely helps man, because you it's the community, the people that care
about their health. And you see that and people That name you just like so what if so and so wants to have this to eat, like if I don't agree with it, I'm not going to go say something, but I'm sure it's not going to respect you. And I'm going to put, you know, be uplifting in any way that I can like, dude, I don't think I've said a negative word on Instagram ever like, yeah, like we're all in this together and to be in this space, you know, to, to better our health as a
whole like that helps big time. And I know not only for myself but a lot of other people. 100%, man. I mean, I've known you for a couple years now, but like I've liked the way you've structured your content creation, just the person you are and the stuff you're putting out because it's never coming from a place of negativity. It's always just, you know positive it's always inspiring.
It's always coming from a good place and I feel like if everybody just did that then obviously the world would be a better place. You're doing it right? You know what you're doing? I appreciate that, man. You very much to say likewise for you buddy because and we can
do this either earn our time. But when I first started, I David, I look back at you with out of the truck and I said, dude, your videos are what got me started and your videos on YouTube of you documenting your journey and how this works, and how that works. And, you know, my basic keto understanding came from you and go to Beats.
And this past month, I was like all right, dude, you're going back keto because you know what it works and the first thing I did was I got up on the TV and I searched in Quito Savage and I went back three like 23 years of videos and just started watching them one night. Like now that was it and it got me, it got me pumped again and got me ready to freaking hit it, you know, hard and just got my mind where it needed to be stopped. Oh, I appreciate. Appreciate you. And No respect, big time.
Yeah, Nana. That means the world, like I'm not the smartest guy out there by any means. There's a lot of doctors and scientists and medical researchers at know, a heck of a lot more than me, but I want to be known as the guy that has, you know, stood by the same message and, you know, grown in that message like learn and adapt it and improved upon it. But basically has been preaching the same message for years and years and years, and can be looked at as just that consistent disciplined.
Rock that doesn't budge, you know, people go back and forth on things and that's fine. You know, everybody's got to find their path, but I was fortunate enough to have found
my path early. Like, I screwed up, I screwed up my health, I screwed up my business, I screwed up my nutrition screwed up everything and I screwed up very, very early, and when I figured it out when I fixed it, you know, I knew that I was on the right path and I have not wavered from that path since then, because I just knew, like, I had 100%
self-awareness. And I've since then, Not all the content that I have and will continue to put out the content I have and I'll be putting out the same type of content when I'm 89 years old and I hope people can just see that and be inspired by that and know that what I preach is true and then I believe in it and I feel like if you can get something out of that, and then my job is done. Absolutely a man. And if it just reaches that one person, that's all it matters,
that's one better person. You know, 100% ready. Well shoot man you and I can sit here and talk all day long but I'll let you get back to doing what you're doing. I'm about to throw, some venison on the grill. I do, I do want to get like a hunk a something more extreme though. For sure. So, stay on the line here after we get done with recording this podcast, and let's get some dates on the calendar, man, awesome. And appreciate you. Having me on buddy. Thank you soon.
Well, for anybody who doesn't know, you are hasn't followed you in the past. What is your current Instagram handle and what can they find you? It seems that bag buddy. It, sceeto.com navour, dot king. So on Instagram. Yep, that's it. Awesome. Well, Brandon likes a man. Keep doing what you doing, you doing it, right? Appreciate you brother, and it's definitely keep in touch. Yes, sir, thank you. See ma'am.