What's going on? Ian Roberts is Quito Savage.com. Today. I've got special guest Frank, rich on the podcast, Frank has been in the Fitness and Nutrition space for quite some time. He's competed as a bodybuilder in the NPC. He has done a whole lot of entrepreneurial work and building businesses, but it really started gaining momentum when he started speaking out about how he recovered from his addiction towards pornography. So I got on the podcast type figure out. Honestly.
I was intrigued by how he was able to blend the carnivore world with his nutrition into overcoming his Addiction to pornography. But this is a message that I feel like, a lot of people would benefit from hearing. A lot of people struggle with this, and a lot people aren't open and honest about not transparent. So this is a valuable content here for sure, for anybody that needs this information or know, some that needs this
information. So without further Ado, sit back, relax and do the podcast with my good friend, Frank rich. We are live. Frank. How are you brother? I'm doing great, brother. How you doing? I'm doing wonderfully. Well, man, we got connected. I think I heard about you. Originally through Danny Vega, good, good buddy, Danny and then you were on the low-carb hustle podcast when the three of us
were still doing that. And then we like man we gotta get a podcast together, just two of us and that is what today is all about. So glad to have you man. Yeah, man, I'm really, really excited to be here.
And, you know, yeah, we Danny connected us, you know, I was, I was familiar with you prior to prior to that connection, you know, with, with what you're building over there, with the keto break, you know, I've been in and out of carnivore for a while, you know, I don't really claim to like, I don't really identify as a keto person but, you know, I was obviously aware
about you what you're doing. And then yet Danny connected us had a great conversation on the for bus with you Danny and Adam and then I had you on my show. Which was an amazing conversation. And yeah, we jump through a couple of hurdles and ran into some roadblocks to make today happen, but I'm really a real excited about about where this conversation going to go. Yeah, man. I'm as well. So for people that do not know.
I mean if somebody goes to your Instagram right now, most of the branding is, you know, kind of sit around overcoming porn addiction, but you've been able to tie that in quite a bit with your nutrition, so, I'd love to kind of hear more about your backs to him and I had those two worlds, come to kalon. Yeah. Wow, great. Great, great place to start here, obviously, for for you and
your your audience. So my background for the last, you know, 15 years or so has been in the health and fitness space from working in gyms to personal training to managing Jim sales to leaving kind of the gym space, but still keeping. That is a major part of my life. I was also competitive bodybuilder for about a decade in the NPC division. So I've always had Hard passion. I'm a former athlete as well overcame, you know, some some weight issues in my, my early 20s. And I just fell in.
Love with the sport fell in love with training and what you're able to do, when you dedicate, you know, your life through structure habits routines and all the things that, obviously, you talked about with, with your coaching in your work. And obviously the what it takes to succeed in any Endeavor, but if I got a taste of some of that early on in the fitness space, because I was able to, you know, Jump Right In and have some
success in transforming my body. D. Now, with the working on doing today. It's obviously evolved over over the years. So with everything that I was doing in the health and fitness space with chasing, you know, human performance at a high level with studying self-development.
Like she's always kind of taking like, I've always wanted to it to achieve more and I've had and I've had some success but with all that going on, at the same time, like I had this secret behavior that like, I would never really talked about it. For a long time, I didn't actually think that there was anything wrong with it, and I think as as young men and as boys sometimes it's like we we come across, we stumble across
this. This pornography thing and for me, I'm 30. I'm 38 years old and I think that's an important context for today's conversation because my introduction of porn didn't come in way that a lot of the young men that I speak to today. Like I was first exposed to pornography at 5 or 6 years old. I found one of my dad's magazines and it was it was like a pretty hard core like in Tense
magazine. It wasn't even like the plague like it was pretty pretty graphic and kind of fast forward into, you know, my teens, we get, you know, we get computer dial-up internet. I mean, I'm just kind of obviously dating myself a little bit here. Probably. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Definitely different than today. We wouldn't be able to, you know, stream stream.
This audio call Wade way back then, but but with all that going going on, Robert, I, you know, I fell into note in addition and I Didn't I didn't understand it was an addiction at the time, you know. Not to make this story too too long and drawn out, you know, at 35.
I, you know, I was introducing some really incredible men, some really strong men and I don't think you and I have ever really what we did somewhat discuss your faith, but for me my faith is a big part of my life now and it was in getting my life to Christ and late, 2018, that begin to expose some things in my life and in January. Of 2019. So I get saved in in late October of 2018.
The next couple of months. Like, I'm just kind of like, stumbling around, like, not knowing what I'm supposed to be doing. But as a Christian like, how do I, how do I read? How do I pray? When am I supposed to go to church? Who do I talk to like have? I changed my life? So I really just started unpacking my life and looking at areas where I wasn't living up to the values and principles that was now trying to live by. So I stopped drinking.
I I looked at other areas where I needed to make some improvements. And in late 2018, I was going through some Financial situations. I was having a business that was coming towards the end and we were having some huge issues financially. So, that was crumbling. My life was kind of falling apart in front of me. I had another business in the fitness space. I was trying to get started and it wasn't catching any traction. So I ended up, I was drinking
quite a, quite a bit back then. So as a clock will roll over into the new year of 2019. I was also about 30 pounds overweight, just As I just kind of put everything to the side. So I stopped drinking and because I was still trying to build my fitness brand, I needed to do something radical.
I'm like, Nita transformation and it's just going to blow people away and like a short one of time, thinking that maybe if I could show that in my own body, maybe it could be a catalyst that I could maybe kind of Mark it and leverage to get some people into a program. So I so, I had been familiar with the carnivore, I'd seen what I was doing.
I actually stumbled across the carnivore diet through Michaela Peterson because my girlfriend was struggling with all Mune so long story short, I'm like, you know what? This is probably going to be the easiest thing for me to do. I know I can commit to eating only meat for 30 days and I just wanted to see what it was all about. And as anybody that's ever done a like, 100% full, like carnivore detox like a reset. I did beef only for 30 days.
I cut out coffee. I did beef and water and Robert. I dropped 21 pounds. I went from like 18 percent body fat. So, like just over 10 like the physical transformation. Action was incredible, one of the best 30 day, you know, physical Transformations. I've ever done. What was even more profound to me? Was the mental transformation.
The Clarity that I began to receive and I've talked about this with more and I know your audience probably familiar with Maura Danny's wife, the spiritual connection. I began to experience late into that month was It was truly profound and so to kind of speed the story up here a little bit.
I'm having some, I'm having some kind of new new sense of purpose, kind of, kind of in my life and this gets us like February. So I'm like, six weeks after this, I decided to keep it going into the month of February and on a February, 14th of 2019. So about six weeks into this, this carnivore diet that I was on. I was having a conversation with one of Best friends, somebody I highly respect and out of the blue. We just start talking about pornography addiction.
He had actually brought in it. And by this time, I had been looking into some of the issues with my own self. I was trying to get a deeper understanding of like, how is this impacting our brain? Is this really an addiction? If it is an addiction with the path to get out of it? Why doesn't it seem like it's you know, it's the same as a drug addiction, alcohol addiction because I had wrestled with some of those issues while I was there. I talked about my alcohol at the end of 2018.
I also had a pretty bad drug addiction in my early 20s that I was able to kind of just one day make a decision. Like, I'm just done with this. I removed it, completely. So when Zack brought that up to me in that day in February, it's it kind of felt like it was my opportunity to step up and share with somebody what I've been going through. Because at this point, I was listening to videos. I was trying to read books on it, get an understanding, but I hadn't openly confess it to anybody.
So after stack shared me with me. Kind of some of the things that he was processing and going through. I kind of felt it all there and it kind of seemed like there was an opportunity for me to maybe make a step in the right direction in my life. And I remember, just looking at Zach and first of all, I'm saying, thank you brother, for appreciating that I've never had anybody, you know, share something that incident with me.
I think I think it was for a reason Zach and I told him, right then and there I was like man, this is something I've been looking into myself and I think I have a major major issue with it. Now, at the time I was in a pretty committed. Relationship. We were about four years into dating.
We had moved in together. It was Rocky Ash, but we are all set the same time my trying to figure out like, okay, what does the future look like for us, you know, we both invested a lot of time and energy into this and there were certain things. We saw eye-to-eye on as far as the future but there are things in policy needed to get worked out.
And I remember telling Zach like if I'm really going to, you know, move forward with Stephanie, like I need to get started my life and she needs to know So after having a conversation with in that day, I said, you know what, Zack I'm committed to getting inside of my life and I need two things to happen after after today. I need you to hold me accountable. Are you willing to do that? We check in on me. If I call you, if I need someone to talk to you. Can you be that person for me?
He said absolutely brother. Whatever you need. I'm here for you. Second thing I say is I need to let Stephanie know so that drive home is about a 30-minute Drive. I was at the gym that day. I had about a 30-minute commute own and I wrestled with this Non-Stop and to the point where we actually, I had convinced myself. I wasn't going to tell her, so I was so I've slept on it that way. What's that? He was completely unaware prior to that point.
She was not unaware that I didn't like she was aware that I watched porn because it was, it was things like, I would try to poke prod and see how far I could push her. And this is kind of like typical addicts Behavior now that I'm able to see in my own life. So I would, I would push her in certain ways to see what I was able to. How to get away with but she had no. Like she had no understanding of the extent of like actual
problem. When I say it was like an addiction Robert, it was pretty bad. So I had it, I had a completely separate computer that stayed like hidden away so that nobody would ever be able to like look at my history. Nobody would ever like if they got a virus on the computer like it wasn't going to corrupt anything and we lived in a two-story townhouse. I just kind of give you guys like a like an understanding of like like the truly wasn't addiction.
So say if we were ever at home together, and she was leaving, I Literally run upstairs and look out the window and wait for the car to turn the corner knowing that she was away. And that's when I would pull it out and I would like to get the whole thing set up, and there were a handful of times like she would make that turn in a corner and you guys know sometimes like you leave the house, he returned home.
So I would think like, oh, I'm good to go lock the door downstairs like so I've kind of got everything going and I hear the keys hit, hit the door and out have to like scramble around the cleaning up that it out like what happens if she comes up here and she's got this whole other computer and what are you doing in this and that? So so She didn't know that watch porn, which I think, you know, there's a lot of women out there
that. Yeah, my boyfriend or husband watches porn, but it's no big deal. But for me, it was, it was, it was a deep deep issue that that I was hiding. I was masking. So I shared that with her the next day and to make it like, feel real. I told her everything I said, this is the computer. This is why I'm doing, this is what I'm committing to doing, and I literally put like, told the computer apart, like a laptop like I ripped it down. Middle, so I had two pieces like, like in my hands.
She gets all emotional. I get emotional. We kind of like and stand there like, okay, what's next? Like not really knowing like what we're supposed to do here. So I kind of move on. I kind of go share with with a couple of friends and and Robert I didn't I didn't really know what the next, you know couple of months was going to reveal to me, but the world that I saw began to change and that's how I try to describe it, right? It's not like that.
Look outside and like I would see a tree and it would be a different type of tree or I look at a dog. And it was he a cat? Like it wasn't that different. It's like colors became more vibrant. People began to appear to me. Like I began to see people for people, no longer as as objects. And when I begin to feel was that there was a there's going to be a bigger calling and
purpose coming in my life. So at this point about three, four months into it, I'm getting a lot of people like that because I'm just sharing this at this point. I just feel I'm writing this, like, spiritual.
Hi, I'm writing this like sense of like, I've never felt as alive as I was in those moments, so I began to share it with Literally everybody in my life, from my friends, to my parents, my family, my brother like, hey, I know you don't know who I am, but it's have a porn addiction and I kicked it and now I just feel amazing. You want to hear about it?
Like, I literally would just, I just wanted to tell everybody about it because I knew that there was obviously a lot of men that consumed it and did they do, they live the way that I live and they did not really understand what was going on. So that led me to to launching the podcast which I did on July 8th of 1019 and Robert. The only reason I wanted to start a podcast back then there was no back in monetization. There was no coaching program. There's nothing other than I
have a story of a journey. I was unaware about this. I chased a lot of human performance. I accomplished a lot in my life from businesses and bodybuilding and just just, I felt like I was successful but getting getting this out of my life. Like showed me a You don't need it. But also like man, you don't even understand how truly Limitless you really feel. And that's what I began to feel and experience.
Now by me, opening up and getting vulnerable with the world and putting this message out there, the conversations that I was having now with other people begin to change. So I was still running, you know, small little Fitness IG page. I had a little kind of you know business on the side as you know, writing programs and selling eBooks. Were people like making a couple Grand a month. Nothing, nothing amazing.
Nothing to write home. Tired through, but when it up happening, is when people reach out to me, it was no longer Frank. Thank you for your great program. Thank you for you know, your arm specialization yet an inch on my arms and 30 days. It was now like Frank. Thank you for your openness. Thank you for your vulnerability and then questions started to come in. Like, how did you do this?
Do you think you can help me? And at first like it wasn't something I was interested in doing but you get 100. Plus guys asking you if you can help them with something particular, like maybe there is, maybe maybe there's A sign there. Maybe, maybe that's, you know, maybe that's something you should explore, and it's kind of fast forwards, you know, the story up here a little bit to about January late, January of 2020, and I was attending a
business marketing and events. And at that event. They taught this little, it's called an SMS posed tactic, and it's basically, it's like a hand raising pose, like, you got an audience, you have an idea about marketing and selling something. You basically just put a post out there and ask people if they're interested in. That you're looking for a certain amount of people to help. So, I left that event and I implemented, what was taught the following Monday, and within 24 hours.
I had about five or six people in my inbox, you know, reaching out asking about what I was offering because I said, hey, I'm looking for Five Guys that are struggling with porn. I'll coach you over the next four months, you know, will work one on one. I'll help you break free from this and build a new life without it. So about six or seven people reach out and into men. Raise their hand and stepped up and enrolled in a program that I
didn't mean half side. So I sold something that I didn't even have built yet, but I told both of them that I was going to treat this like a case study that they were going to be the first two people that that would help me build this course and obviously they got a discount for what we're selling that course now, but what it is enabled me to literally build a curriculum week by week because I was getting real time feedback
as I was implementing things. They're telling me hey, well, this doesn't make a lot of sense. You tweak, this. Can you modify that but one thing I built in right from the beginning, was nutritional protocol, which was a carnivore reset. So taken what? I done Twisted it modified it a little bit. So it was something that could be rolled out in. People could follow because I don't want to be as strict in this ends as I did.
But it was. So was following, you know, typical carnivore diet was utilizing an intermittent fasting protocol. We gave them workouts and everything and why I believe that At that has become an integral part of, of our coaching, is, it's learning the ability to deny yourself. And I think for men that are struggling with a compulsive in addictive behavior with pornography. So you have an issue with self-control. You have a issue with
self-discipline. It's not it's not as as deep of a chemical addiction as drugs and alcohol. Many of it is behavioral-based. And what what I believe Happens is when you ate fast. So, we have both long-term and short-term fasting. So in week, 2 of our curriculum, we, we push them into a 48-hour fast, I believe. When you learn some of those self control through, what you're putting in your mouth. You can then leverage and harness that in other areas of your life.
So I'll pause because I feel like I've I probably have gone a lot longer than you had anticipated at the beginning but their nutrition protocol has become a fundamental piece because I believe it. Massive role and the ability to just have self control and self discipline and I'll just add one more thing here. Robert understanding the connection between the gut health in the brain.
I also believe that there's a role that resetting the gut microbiome plays when you do a carnivore reset, as far as your ability to maybe go through the neurochemical changes that the brain needs. I think it kind of opens up your ability to have rational thinking at a deeper level. But a lot of it, a lot of the reason why we have the carnivore diet in there, in the fasting, is on a self control, self discipline side of things. No, I love a man.
That makes a lot of sense. I feel like, I feel like, you know, nutrition and how it, how it plays, an integral part in your day-to-day life and activities is so so important and often times overlooked. But I like the concept of exercising discipline and consistency towards one aspect. I eat the food you eat and that having like a direct, you know, carry over to something else. You could be struggling with IE porn addiction, or whatever type of addiction that is.
And this is something that I mean very much. I don't know many people that are open about it. So I feel like you being an open with it is is very, you know, impressive. It's very admirable because for whatever reason, this is such a taboo topic. And I feel like there's, I mean, you probably know the statistics. I mean, there's probably more guys that struggle with this at some point, their life than not.
I would imagine, right? Yeah, man, and you know, the fact that every, it doesn't happen every time but you know, I get interviewed, I get interviewed. Quite a bit and it's always set up, you know, you didn't, you didn't open up today with that, but a lot of times, it's right.
It's like the podcast host. Will kind of set the audience up. Okay guys, we're going to have the taboo, you know, sensitive conversation today like so if you're uncomfortable with that, like maybe this episode isn't for you. And for me, I've got to the point, you know, I've been obviously having this conversation for three years. Now, one thing has been great. As I do feel, it's beginning to get more accepted, you know,
mainstream lies. And what's been, what's been cool to see is Some of the bigger players like in this podcasting, space are are having the conversation now, like Rogen's had doctorado Lemke, who wrote dopamine Nation on and opens up the book with some of her own personal issues with erotic novels, but then she has a lot of her client and patients stories through the book. So she's opened up and talked about it, a lot of a lot of the big your shows.
So I feel the conversation is beginning to get more accepted but there was a 2019 In Barner Barna research study. And I think so. Here's the interesting thing with when these statistics of the right is its there's obviously it's all dependent upon the people willingly open to share what they're going through.
But I mean that research study said that about seven out of ten men and MIT to viewing porn on a regular basis and then about half or forty to fifty percent of those men admit to having kind of an issue. That is uncontrollable. Now, is that an addiction? Is it just an uncontrollable behavior? And this is entering Also, with the word Addiction because pornography addiction is not clinically accepted in the DSM-5 at this point as far as an
addiction. Now, whatever that means I don't care because I know it's an addiction. I know it's destructive on on people's lives. But I also don't believe that everybody, that watches porn is addicted to it. Now. Obviously, I have my, you know, my values in the way that I see things today. I don't believe that there's any good, that comes out of it. Because first second, exposure, does begin to change the neurochemistry.
A of your brain, but about 70% of men, view it regularly, and here's a shocking stuff, Robert. As I've obviously shared my, my my faith here 57% of pastors admit to having a problem 64 percent of Youth pastors, and it's having a problem and only 7% of churches have any type of program or course or anything dedicated to solving the solution. So one of the reasons I have decided to plant my fags who deep in this space, as I believe that this is what Here to do.
So. So I do believe that this is a purpose for my life, a tree at least right now in this moment. 28, have these conversations that we're having here today, as much as people are willing to talk about, I want to be at the Forefront of raising the awareness. Educating people on what's going on, providing, you know, stories and hope and inspiration. But also with what we're doing at my company rebuild recovery, like helping guys through to finding the freedom in their lives.
I know, I know you specialize with guys, but but this just takes a pretty alarming from a female standpoint to write like there's quite a pretty big subset of women that struggle with it as well. Right? Yeah, it's growing. I mean obviously, you know, it's growing much quicker in in the younger, the younger demographic. Now here is the interesting thing though. Robert is the male and female
brain are different like you. And I have a different brain and your wife in any female that's best listening to it. Just as far as How it stimulated and how it responds to certain things. The male brain is visually stimulating. This is backed up in wired, for intimacy by William Struthers where he, he kind of explores like why? This is the case. So you and I are obviously more visually stimulating.
That doesn't mean that there aren't women that have a higher sense of visual stimulation women though tend to struggle more and kind of the erotica space. So I think because the female brain is more creative obviously female. Emails crate. That's what they're here to do. I mean, at the fundamental core they are to create the Minutemen are too, but I'm saying like inside of the woman's body. So the female brain is stimulated through like creating the visual images in in her
brain. So you see a lot of women that struggle with more the erotica stuff. Obviously. This is why 50 Shades of Grey become the number one selling book of all time so forth and so forth. And also on a Lemke talked about like I told I share that. So doctor on and lemke's actually the Stanford medical director for diction. She shares how she being a professional this base and working the last 30 years helping people through sex.
Addiction got caught up in a Twilight series and openly shared shared her struggles and issues with it. But yeah, it's you see the numbers drastically rising and younger girls, you know, I get a lot of women there that do reach out to me and, you know, it's not that I can't help him. But as a business guy, you know, you kind of want to get clear on on an avatar. I understand. I'm very You know, directing the way that I speak.
I'm very harsh and and I don't think a lot of women resonate with the way that I deliver things. But but what we have I mean, could it could it help a woman? Absolutely. I've just said, hey, I'm here to help them then and it's also kind of ties into like a deeper Mission. I just, I believe we're struggling with just a major epidemic of weak man across the world. And if we could get men to step up, level up and become the men, they were all created to be.
I think a lot of you We see going on in the world today would would go away. Now the another one more thing to maybe just to kind of kind of bring up here is the children. Right? Because I talked about me, I was I was six and it was magazines. Well, it's no longer the first time they're getting introduced to this. It's no longer magazine. It's they're finding it on the phones or finding on devices are finding on the tab list and
that's the shocking number. Because right now, it's about ten and a half to 11 years old is the age of first exposure. And that number is just drastically. Declining obviously. It's kids are getting phones and devices at a much younger age gaily.
So, maybe just if there's parents and, you know, listening in the audience today, maybe that's something to at least begin to get a deeper, understanding of how these things find your children of, and what you can do, if your kids are already having phones and tablets what you can do from the preventive standpoint. Yeah, it's crazy man, but we got we got our baby on the way, you know, son. You can be here in like a week or so and like I just look at we
actually went out to dinner. Nice crust on them. And it was like prom that I guess because there's a whole bunch of high schoolers at dinner all dressed up and whatnot. Hey, I'll just look so freaking young man. Like I'm, I don't feel like I look old. I'm 30 miles looking at them. And I'm like, man, they all look crazy young and then I'm like, shoot, I gotta I gotta keep keep ranjha my son, you know, you
know, under my wing. Make sure he doesn't screw up or, you know, fool around and get himself in trouble, sleep with anybody to Young wind up with kids unnecessarily and just mess up in life, and I'm like, These kids, these kids are doing things. Wait, earlier than I ever fathomed. I mean, I don't ever recall looking at porn to I was like later on in life, like teenagers. I mean, I stopped pretty early
on once. I started the business because for me being in business like that that was like all-consuming. Like I went full bore into business and I don't have time for anything else and anything anytime I was like looking to pour my this is incredibly unproductive waste waste of time and that pissed me off. So I just like not productive with this. I'm just gonna go for Warn the business that was my quote unquote cure for solving that problem.
I haven't looked at porn since he has been years now, but most people aren't going into business. So I don't know what the solution to them and be so I think having something like what you're talking about with this, you know, clear-cut course with steps that guides them through how to be disciplined and dedicated, you know, with a road map is the way to go, but the idea that we would even have to have this conversation with the youth, you know, in 67 years old. It's just mind-boggling.
Yeah. Well, first of all, right. Thank you for, thank you for sharing that and just my respect. And just an appreciation, for who you are, is just shot through the roof here, even more today than already did respect you. But what we need to understand right is, is pornography, is
free. So these sites in where the stuff is, is distributed and deliver through operate just like every other social media platform out there and what that what I'm trying to get to. And when I want to people to understand, is if you're not paying for something, That means
you're the product. So when we're on Instagram, when we're on Facebook, those those devices are free, but the product is your attention, and your time, obviously, these companies are leveraging your eyeballs through marketing. You understand. This is a business owner. I don't know if you do paid, as I'm sure you do do paid ads in your company. But so the same thing happens in the porn space, right? So, how do we get more products to our site? We hunt them down.
So I have, I The conversation with Maura bring her up again, you know, they've got the two boys and this is like maybe this was shortly after I had I launched a podcast. So Danny and more. I remember having dinner with them and sharing them what you know what I was going through and they were just fired up and I remember getting a text or call or something from maybe maybe we were going to church together at time. Maybe maybe it was on Sunday.
She's like, she's like Frank. I was Dean was downloading. It was Dean or death. I don't know which one it was Dean was downloading a video. On YouTube and porn advertisement sites started started coming up like literally right there on and they have the parental blocks and devices and everything. So we chosen, we just need to understand, man, like, they don't need to go find it. Like I, when I was a kid, I had to go into my dad's drawer. I had to lift the socks up, and there it was.
I had to go hunt for it. It's hunting these kids down. And, and the way that these algorithms work like, okay, we know that this is a point. We know that there's two eyeballs here, do whatever we can to get them. To our site. Because once he's there, we got them. And, and, and I'm not saying that there's people sitting there doing evil things or anything like that. This is the way, the algorithms are written that we need to do whatever we can to get people to
our sites. So yeah, this is a very important discussion here to have because we need to understand as much as we can have the conversations. Put the blocks of think that our kid is the best kid. There will come a point in every young person's life. When they're, I see something that their brain is not yet too developed to handle and it's going to find them. So, yeah, we got to, we got to do what we can and I think it starts with what we're doing right here today, Robin just
having this conversation. Yeah, I think you know, I've been doing a lot of thinking about how I want to paint like getting you don't want to be, so overly protective and Shout to them to a point that they are, you know, pushed away from you and there, they seek out. The things that you wish, they don't seek out, I mean, that kind of backfires. It's shown to backfire many a time, but I think, I think honestly, all the kids that I've become acutely aware of all the
kids. I know. And I look at their parents, look at how their parents parent, I look at, you know, they're their attitudes. And one thing that I've have one common theme that I've recognized is that the parents that are incredibly patient with their kids and take the time to truly explain and have a communicative, a communicative relationship with them as to To why they should or should not do things. And then take the time to explain that why?
And almost talk to them as if they were adults. Like those those kids far away exceed from an attitudinal standpoint the, the rest of the kids and they just like seem to have a firmer grasp and understanding as to, you know, who they are as an individual, their self-awareness is better. There. They're more in tune with what they they can and can't do what they should and shouldn't do. So, I feel like just simply taking the time as a parent to
talk to your kids. With, you know, certain degree of respect, even though they don't really have lymphedema, hadn't lived, much of Life at that point but like talk to them as if they, you know, garnered some respect and then explain to them why things are the way they are. That seems to have a lot more, you know, holding weight than not. Yeah. No, that's that's that's that's that's a powerful point there.
And, you know, I think I want to, you know, maybe challenge some of some of the audience here with where I want to go next. You know, we know, That in order for your message to drive home, whether it's a message from a marketing standpoint, whether it's a message, they're trying to share with the world or are trying to share to your kids, that message only going to be 100, print 100 percent received. It's coming from a place of true authenticity.
I spent last week in Nashville at a business events from, I'm a business coach in inside of running seven, the rebuild recovering hosting podcast house to do. So some Coaching on the side as part of a mastermind.
So we had our annual event last week in Nashville and just brought in Powerhouse speakers, like in the fitness space just, you know, just people crushing it in like crushing it in business and just delivering powerful talks of inspiration, tactics, strategies and hopes, but kind of underlying theme across the entire weekend was true authenticity, or walking into alignment with the words that you say actually match the actions that you're that you're taking.
So I shared I stared statistic here earlier, that's about 70% of men admit to regularly viewing pornography. So if every man listening or every father, listening to this episode, right now, left today, left, this, this podcast and went and had a conversation with his kids, his son or anybody about why they need to not look at pornography, 7 out of 10 of those men. We're not getting authentic,
message. That message will not be received by that child because Howard, can you tell somebody not to do something that you're regularly participating in? So I would challenge any father and he parents that before you go have the conversation with your kids. Look in the mirror first, even if it's not an addiction, even, if it's something that you just consumed, every once in a while, I'm a stress-free standpoint or, you know, it's been a long weekend. The wife's away.
I got in an argument with so-and-so or I just can't deal with this pressure and I'm not telling anybody at their back. Like, I don't want this to be, like, good, bad type of thing. That's never were I want to go. I just I just understanding how Being authentic about how true Integrity Works in this world. That would be my challenge there, to, to the men before you go talk to your kids. If it's something that's is in your life. Talk to yourself first.
No, I, totally agree. Man. Me, I've thought about future conversations. I have with my son and like I'll split test them almost like, which one is going to carry more weight and I could say, I could sit him down and get that. Hey, look, Raja don't look at poem because I said, so and that's why and I don't imagine. That's going to carry much weight. I feel like heels, hear me say that and then be more inclined to do just the opposite. Or I can sit him down about.
Hey, look, some this is something that I did way back in the day, is a complete and utter waste of my time. Once I recognized that and stop doing that. It was actually living life in a productive manner. All the things that ever wanted to start to fall into place and you can do that too. Here's the steps to do.
So by the bing, bada boom. I feel like that, you know, obviously I'd go into more depth in that but I feel like that Is going to carry a lot more weight like admit where you've misstepped and then illustrate what you learned in that process and how that change your thinking and actions going forward and the better outcome that resulted from that? Like that's just more relatable. It's more honest.
More authentic is more genuine. It's all the things that you want to be and should be Yeah, and that message for you is going to kind of drive home so much harder to because the kid is going to see that in you probably ever before he's able to actually understand what it is that you're saying. Just be from the way that you operate and live out your life. You know, I know how you treat your business. I know how you treat your training and how you treat your
clients. I know obviously how you're treating your family and everything is you're trying to do. So that message is going to come through. Very Crystal, Clear first in your actions and Then followed up with With your words, I think that maybe there's a great dirt. I know there's a great resource out there. I want to plug something right now. So there's a great organization
called protect young eyes. The founders Chris McKenna, who's actually, he's the director of marketing for Covenant eyes, which is a accountability software, and he has this kind of nonprofit. So, what they do is they just provide education tools and resources for parents and people that have children in their lives of how to start having this conversation. And one of the things that Chris said to me, when I had them on the show is porn, should be the
most popular word in your home. Not from a like celebrating it, but just like like I talked about the beginning. Why does every single conversation? I have about this right here, episodes got to start with one of the taboo conversation. If you just get it if you just get it out there in the front and in the open from the beginning, it's not that it's a bad thing.
It's that it's a dangerous thing, you know, like kids know what drugs are, they know what alcohol are they should understand that this Has many of the same effects in our lives, in our brain and how it impacts on how it impacts us as well. So Chris McKenna, protect your eyes. If people want to maybe look in and maybe get equipped in in and begin to understand like how can they at least begin to have some of these conversations with their children? He would be the best resource to go to.
Yeah. I think, you know, like I look at my life and I look at my Integrity. I look at the things that I stand for and there's nothing that I'm not willing to discuss have a conversation about, like there's nothing, there's no. Stone stone that. I want to leave on turn, like, I want to be the best version of myself and I think I can't do that. Unless I'm 100% genuine authentic, and I think people
appreciate that affect. The reason I have a plan from the reason I have an army into the first place is because I just tell people how it is and I document my journey and that holds weight with people, because they've been there themselves, they've done that, or they're wanting to do that. And, you know, we live in this world, in which case people are so protective. You know, they don't want talk about certain things. They don't want to discuss
certain things. They're worried about how the World Views them. Personally. I like, I like that. I don't have any sponsorships in the podcast because I like to talk about whatever the heck. I want to talk about and be just 100% transparent. I feel like people appreciate that. If that's why my podcast has grown. I feel like people, appreciate real people. And like you said, more often than not, people have looked at porn at some point of them off. Now.
People have struggled with eating too many carbohydrates and having an addiction to Sugar. There's so many people drink, too much people, people do all these things and excess. So like to think that you were this black sheep and nobody could possibly understand what you've gone through. So you better not talk about it is, it's just not reality. I feel like at some point another we've all done one or multiple of these things. We've all learned from those mistakes and with that
knowledge. You can either hold it inside yourself and it not help anybody else or you can be honest and transparent with it. Stop worrying about what box the world puts you in and just simply be authentic and in doing that. You're likely going to help a hell of a lot more people. Yeah. I know. I think the difficult part for people do with with vulnerability, right? Is it's, it's like, it's like flipping the mirror around on you now, it's like, you almost expose yourself to yourself.
Like, if you just keep it bottled up, you don't talk about it. It's like you don't actually have to to address it and this is where like shame and guilt comes comes into to the picture, but the minute that you admit to To either yourself or to one other person that you have dis Vice in your life, or you have this compulsive need. If it's just like, you know what? I'm supposed to be working, but I'm watching Netflix or yeah, instead of going to the gym. Like I just ate up, you know,
pint of ice cream. Like even just openly admitting to like an accountability partner that like, you're not doing what you say you're going to do is now expressing to yourself. Like, dude, you're, you're not living up to you to your potential, like, you could be more and it's like sometimes we just fall into this trap of comfort of, like, Yeah, I'm a potentially could be doing more but it's just comfortable to be here in this little place.
And just speaking on on you and kind of how, you know, you'll talk about anything. This has been, this has been the story of My Success these last two years, you know, for for almost 3 years. So in 2017 to like 2020, like I struggled it to get this Fitness business off the ground because I wasn't eight number one. There was a part of my life that I wasn't even like willing to look at. Cash, so there's no way I was fully authentic to the people.
I was trying to help and the people that were following me, but I was also, I was just a secondary version. Like the way that I would create content as I would sit in front of the computer and consume like n videos of other people's stuff and like take notes and said, oh he said this, let me make sure I say that as well. So basically, just taking with somebody else to saying is like, okay. I'm going to say it exactly the same thing. Now, I content is literally like, the camera goes on.
There's no scripts. There's nothing like the message just comes through me. It literally just it's the most authentic that can possibly Be, I don't edit my videos. I'd slip words all the time. I say the wrong thing, but it resonates with people because I'm not trying to a say that I have all this figured out life. At least I have I have the porn recovery side, you know, figured out and that's and that's why we're having a success. But I believe the podcast is
taken off. The way it has, I believe our company and our coaching is taking off the way that it is. Because of the first time in my life, not only am I showing up 100% authentic to the world in the people that I know. But more importantly, And in the message, I'm trying to share through our social media and through all of our content. Yeah, 100% man. I mean, I did the same thing when I first started putting out its YouTube videos.
Like I had my first video. I think I must have done like 15 takes on it and then I can just get pissed off. I'm like this is going to take forever to generate any worthwhile content. Like it's never going to stick. I'm never going to build up momentum. So then I just said screw it. I'm doing you know one take, I'm leaving the mistakes in, it's just going to be how it is. It's going to be authentic and then, you know, try to do that with everything. My life to.
I mean, it's hard to be vulnerable. It's hard to be honest until you start doing it and that becomes your norm. And then it becomes increasingly easier to the point where it's so much easier to be authentic and be genuine and just be upfront and transparent than it is to try. And you know be perfect and be like this perfectly shaped mold of what Society what you think
Society wants you to be? Because that's just freaking exhausting and I mean if you wearing a mask all the time, then you can't ever take it off work. With me. It's like I don't have a mask. I never have to take it off cause I'm never wearing it and I can just be me and I'm not constantly drained and exhausted by exerting energy on being somebody that I'm not. I feel like people. Appreciate that more.
Yeah. Well, you know, I think true like true vulnerability like in a way it's almost transcending like the typical human condition, you know, and, you know, I don't want to like I don't want to come across as like this, you know, bible-thumper preacher. Anything like I don't want to do that, but I've spent, you know, A lot of time in in Genesis first. And, you know, when Adam and Eve, like they take a bite of
the apple, right? Like their eyes are open and they they they know that they're naked and what do they do? They cover themselves up? I don't think that's a story of the first. Two humans, eating an apple and covering themselves with leaves. I think the metaphorical story revealing to us that a part of the human condition part of self-consciousness is that you are aware of your own
shortcomings. So the human In human nature is to cover yourselves up, not expose yourself fully, not open up your heart fully to the world. I think that there is a true element of like, yet to transcend who you are. You have to transcend a part of the human condition to get truly vulnerable and authentic. Yeah, and I mean just from like an entrepreneurial content creation standpoint like your ability to generate quality content at scale is only going to be achieved if you are.
And I think Only be achieved if you are being authentic because like we were saying earlier if you try to make it all perfect and pristine and proper. I mean you just are not going to generate near as much quality content and that's obviously not going to be good because content drives everything, you know. Yeah. You want you want to traffic, you know, you want eyeballs on your stuff. You got to be showing up, literally everywhere, you know, talking about creating content at scale.
So when I went all in on this thing, so I launched a business in, like late, January February, just right before, covid is when I had those first two clients that jumped onboard. Help me. Build a curriculum for the first six months or so. I was running parallel things. I was, I was, I was ahead of a marketing agency at the time and I was just doing a little bit of coaching on the sides.
I have a handful of clients that were like the entry-level point for me. And then in July of 2020 is when I was, I was going to go all in on this thing. And so I walked away from my, from my job, in the marketing agency and I was like, okay, I got to make this thing work now. And I remember hearing a video from Russell Brunson. I'm sure. I don't know if, you know, Russell, as he said, he's the founder of clickfunnels. He said he want to change a life.
Want to never struggle for leads again. Commit to doing one video a day on any social media platform and you will never not have leads. So I'd actually broken up with Stephanie. I talked about 70 but I've broken up with her right when I went all in on the business owes July and I moved is the first day. I woke up in my new place. I was kind of like I feel like I'm starting my life all over because I wanted and I thought I was going to marry Stephanie but also had this new business.
So I'm like wow, like everything is completely new to me and I'm like Frank you're going to be in this apartment for at least the next Year, what's one thing you commit to doing to change where your life is at? So you're not in exactly the same point a year from now and said you can commit to doing one video every single day on YouTube. In our first video went up for the force of I had to YouTube channel already, but I'd always been inconsistent with creating
the content. So on July 28th, I put the first video up of what now has become almost two years. Consistently of never missing a day. So I started five. I started at five days a week for the first year and a half Monday. Friday. And then in January of this
year. I went all in on seven days a week and sensual I 28th of 2020. I have not missed a post and it's just just speaking to, you know, the ability to create, you know, at scale just because like I said, it's it's authentic is every video Perfect. No, does do all of them take off know, we've had a couple that have had some some massive success massive in terms of like context for our numbers, but that's what's that's what's been the lifeblood of our business.
Yeah. And Daily, they need Vlogs are no joke, man. I'm done several stints where I've done like daily Vlogs and like that, that'll mad respect for their that's impressive. Another thing that I want to touch on and you probably know that there's probably an actual Bible verse on this. I don't know. I just like the quote, but it's something to the effect of an idle. Mind is the Devil's Playground or something is like, is that in the Bible or is it just some cool quote? Yeah.
I know know somewhere. I mean, somewhere in there. I mean, yeah, I'm not the best at pulling scriptures, but, you know, If we definitely heard that and I know, I know it's back scripturally. Yeah. Yeah, and I feel like that's, you know, with with porn with alcoholism with drugs with anything.
I feel like if you're bored in life, the the likelihood that you're going to go down this dark path and it become habitual, and become somewhat of addiction is just exponentially Amplified. I mean, when I started like when I when I got all my shit together in life, from a business standpoint, from a relationship standpoint, Point from quality habit standpoint, like all of that happened at
about the same time. I got crazy freaking busy with building the business around something I was passionate about and when you're super passionate about something like for me it was you know, natural kid doing bodybuilding building a brand around that and Diving deep into that. Like when you're passionate about that, you don't have time to waste Washington's stupid ass porn, or drinking a bunch of alcohol, or doing a bunch of drugs, because your Zeal and
zest for life. Is that thing that you're passionate about is just all-consuming. Like that is everything. That is what, you know, that is your life. But that's your oxygen. And when you go all into that, you recognize how much time and energy and effort. It's going to take to really Excel with it and actually build true momentum. And once you realize that it's like you want to do that and more than you want to do any of this other stupid stuff that
could be wasting your time. So not being bored, not just being idly. Complicit and complacent in life is I think. Also one of the key actionable steps that any Nobody needs to take, they're trying to break free of a bad habit. Yeah, it's, you know, it's sedation, right? You know, we were bored. So we seek something that is going to, you know, literally change our neurochemistry or change our physiology. So we don't, we don't feel bored anymore.
It's like we just try to make that feeling, go away. We don't know how to not feel bored anymore. Go do something. Yeah, go do something meaningful, go do something that's more aligned with a bigger purpose and calling for your life. Now, with porn consumption. I can speak to how it impacts your ability to focus set, clear goals, stay on task. They go around it because the part of the brain that is
impacted. Most do porn is your prefrontal cortex, which is where executive functioning reasoning ability to process bigger goals and also hijacks your dopamine receptors. So dopamine is a molecule of motivation. So, our dopamine system is set to release and drip out dopamine when we're in the pursuit of meaningful goals. So, if we have between, if you have a business, we feel like it's a bigger calling and purpose on our life. Life, literally doing anything that is moving us towards
success in that business. You will get a hit of dopamine, you know, if you're, if the kid, is anybody building like the dopamine is coming like when you're going to the gym? Like it's like so you got to have these goals and and, and bigger things that you're working towards, that are Beyond you and who you are. But when is that happening with porn the minute first? Second consumption, like your dopamine system is now firing at these like super normal levels.
There's books written on this a great study that was done with butterflies out of Where it is supernormal stimulus effect. Like so we get exposed to something that is that we believe is real like watching pornography. Even think we're just we're just consuming, like regular sex. It's never the case. The models are obviously more enhanced the video, the production of all these things, so there's supernormal element to it.
So when's it happening is now your dopamine is your receptors like, well, I can get I can get levels of this hit like this High over here with porn. Why would I want to create goals in my life when I can just Go get more pornography because it's going to give me a feeling. I'm not going to be able to replace anywhere else in the world. Yeah, it's I didn't think my like that, man.
And then, I'm assuming, once you're doing that, it really distracts from the ability to have any type of meaningful relationship with an actual human being, because you've got that skewed reality. That's not reality, constantly gnawing at you in the back, your mind. Yeah. So that's where the like, you know, the sexual objectification. No, what are this on a TED Talk? I guess.
They like they had some like, some brains can set up where they were able to see certain parts of the brain that were firing, what people were watching pornography. And when you, when you consume porn the parts of the brain, the air that lights up is a part that Associated like with objects. So if we see like an object like on my desk right now, there's a water bottle. Like so if I see that I want to go grab it.
It's like my brain needs a fire object figure out how to pick that up. There's a different part of our brain that fires in relationships. Like there's a, there's a Component of like the connection there, but if you train yourself that, when you see people because you watch porn every single day, or whatever, the case may be, you're not training that the physical form, whether it's on a screen or in person is an object. So this is where the objectification part comes comes
into play. And then, yeah, I think just, you know, if a guy is exposed to it too young in this is this is something. I've been trying to talk a lot about because a lot of people think that poor Graffiti addiction is sex addiction, but I've talked to hundreds of men that are caught up in this thing and have never once like been intimate with a woman because what they've condition themselves is like what we're supposed to get and feel and
experience. Like what we're watching on TV and you and I both know, like the type of porn, that that men are watching is not what like real intimacy is about.
I think they get conditioned and then it just creates this like inner one, paranoid and anxiety, you know, they're living in guilt and shame because They know that they're showing me this haven't talked about it. So that's a whole nother thing with like where they are as far as I can State of Consciousness that you just can't openly approach a woman because the minute they do like they're going to be sweating like,
Palms, sweating. Just paint like shaking and everything but then the objectification part just understanding. Once again, I, we have a lot of like, Neuroscience built into the program. I've worked with a lot of doctors and just trying to get a deeper understanding of this. It literally is changing like how your brain fires when you when you see people. Yeah, I think I think that's super important man.
I feel like, you know, It all goes back to self-awareness to like, once you break free of that. You know, what is reality? You know, what you're you know, where you stand on certain things, you know, you know, how to communicate with people as people you gain more self awareness and perspective like it's truly mind-boggling, how much more productive you'll become in life and how much more confident you'll be in life. Once you know who the hell you
are. And you can't possibly know who that is if you're constantly living and diluting. Yourself in some false reality, 100% 100% brother. What do you what excited about, man? What do you got going for? You still building out the course or you're adding to the course or house the house. The course currently? Yeah. Brother know. So Corsa is course, has been done. You know, we're always, we're always updating are always acting role.
As you know, putting a new trainings new models in there. So that's that's been good. You know, we've had a couple hundred guys. Now, succeed through that platform that program. What I'm most excited about is I mean, this will be the first time I've actually About this here, openly is where we're launching an ongoing, support kind of Brotherhood community. So for, you know, the last two years, I've had kind of one kind of one solution.
There's been one core offering, you know, we offer this this, it's called the reboot, you like program. They seem so, there's one program, you can kind of. There's three different tiers of it, depending on the access that you need to myself for the team here, but I've ran into two problems, Robert, and you'll understand this as a business guy, right? Is I've had a four-month
program. Obviously can go a lot of You can help a guy's a lot in a matter of four months, but I almost felt like I've let some of these men down because once they graduate complete that course, I have it at anything on going. Yeah, they could work in the Fitness business that they wanted to.
I'm trying not to bring on a whole lot of new clients and the Fitness business because I want to stay focused to what the mission is. So I felt like I've let some of these men down because I just haven't had any ongoing support. I've also struggled as a business owner because every month or four months, I'm having to refill the pipeline from a lead generation standpoint like not a Move as far as LTD for a
customer. So one of the things I was getting clear on this past week, when I was at, when I was at the event that I was at is what the ongoing support is going to look like. So it's not ready as of yet. And won't be till probably August or September of this year, but we're going to be launching a an ongoing monthly Community called Brotherhood redefined. So it'll be an extension. Obviously. I want guys to go through the reboot your life course.
First, I still want to focus predominantly on helping the men that are struggling with porn. But I also think that this community will be there from in that maybe don't really have a major problem with porn. Just need a community, be involved in just need a Band of Brothers to do life with. So we're bonus out and we're going to focus on rebuilding men in the five key areas of life and I believe those are Faith Fitness Finance, family, and freedom.
So while some self development work in there one, you know kind of one course or one kind of project per month to kind of help the guys, you know grow their mindset. Our belief systems, right bigger Visions for the life, how to play in a structured a, so very task and kind of self oriented. They'll be the fitness component to it. So wall kind of go through a monthly group work out together. They be a major Faith component to it.
That I'm bringing on people to help me build out that area of it and then just really kind of like, the ongoing support Community. I think that's something that you're seeing come up a lot. You're saying a lot of these men's group, you know, really begin to kind of like spark up on the Internet. That's probably the thing. I'm most excited about. But then just continuing, you know, to raise the awareness on this through conversations like this and then, you know, helping men.
So we have some, we have some big visions and goals what we're going to do here in the world. And yeah anything I can do to support the men out there, but most excited to answer. Your question, was the young community that we're going to be launching a pretty soon. It's awesome. It's funny. You say that because Crystal and I are building out this whole other entity.
It's gonna be a long long process, but it's basically going to be The five core tenants or pillars, spirituality health wealth relationships and self-development size kind of celebrate. Well, I mean, yeah, I mean,
well, you know this right? Like success is Success like the principles are proven they're there and it's in, it doesn't matter what you're trying to to succeed in, you know, so I got I got some other friends that have like, you know, 5ms muscle mindset marriage mission and in something else, but no, that's amazing. Loser. Those are all things. Like the reason you're picking
those five pillars reason. I'm picking mine is because if we step back and look at like, those are things that every single human being has in their life in some form or fashion. So like it's an incredibly broad spectrum, but it's incredibly relatable and you want to be able to help people, you know, find that fulfillment via honing in on those five pillars, or six pillars or whatever, you know, however, people divided into
their buckets, so to speak. But but I mean, life, I mean, we're all like I said, We're all people, we all use the same type of fulfillment and, you know, self-improvement. So I think what you're doing is very, you know, very actionable, very tangible. And I feel like you're making a positive impact. A lot of ways, especially with a topic that people aren't really talking about, but yet so many people are struggling with. So I tip my hat to you, man.
Yeah, man. Why really, I really appreciate that. And yeah, you know, obviously I'm a, you know, I'm a marketer so I'm like, I need to have 5S. So that's that's where, you know, that that all came. Into play. And I think maybe, you know, the one thing that would maybe kind of separate my community from maybe, you know, everyone else that is, that is out. There is the freedom component. So understanding that, you know, I planted my flag in the addiction world.
Now whether it's porn addiction, or gambling, or drugs, or alcohol, we all have these vices we talked about it here here. Today. We all have something in our life, probably right now, even you and I still may be to this day, like there's probably something that that we're doing that maybe has its grip. Us more than we want it to, it's just an ongoing struggle for, for every single one of us. So that's, that's, that's, that's where I'm really excited.
Is is like maybe just having something in ours that you're not going to find in any other community with really. Just a tackle, you know, attacking the freedom. I totally respect that man. I feel like, you know, we all like you said, we're all struggling with something. I work too much. Like I'm a workaholic, I love, I love it. So I can easily justify but those are probably the ones you gotta watch out for the ones
that are easily justifiable. Yeah, I mean, well first baby first, baby is coming right for you. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm not a father but you know, it's probably one of the last boxes that I have left to check in my life, but I do, you know, I've been very intentional about getting around some really incredible men, these past few years and every single one of them, you know, so
I'm surrounded by entrepreneurs. Just like, you know, I've been I've been very fortunate to get connected and through some circles. Just when people out there changing the world, every single one of these guys do that, I talk to him. Out there just having massive impact, whether building Empires or working a nine-to-five there like something shifts inside of them. The minute that child, you know, comes comes into the world.
So maybe that's maybe, that's kind of kind of sitting there waiting for you and maybe that's all. Yeah. All you need to kind of get free of some of that, you know, overworking or whatever it is. It's a man's gonna be in. It's going to be a new frontier for me, but also my love it to doing. I respect you. I appreciate what you're doing. If there's ever anything I can do for you, by all means. Hit me up. Let me know where people go to. Find out more about you and follow along.
Yeah, I see but I appreciate you too. And thank you so much for this. This was a great conversation went, you know went around topics that you know, I've talked about before but I really just love our flow here man, and it's an to you man. If there's anything you you know I can ever do for you, you know, where you know, where to reach me by people that want to, you know, maybe connect with me more if you're not showing what pouring you just, you just like
these conversations. You just, you know, like you just want to hear more talks and conversations. About leveling up in your life. So I have a podcast. We don't always address porn anymore in the podcast. It's really tackling those five key areas and life. That's a super human life. We had Robert on a couple months back. So that may be a great episode to get started with be 124 episodes in there.
Now, on the point of dicks side of things, if you guys want to connect with me personally, find me on Instagram, it's Coach Frank Rich. You can check out our YouTube channel, same channel name, Coach Frank Rich, if you want any information on, Our coaching and the company rebuilt recovery that can be found at rebuilt recovery.com. And if there's a guy listening or even a woman like like like we talked about earlier, right, you know, the the tools work for
women as well. They're struggling with this and maybe you want to maybe take some of the first steps in getting free from it. I have a free book. It's an e-book, but it's at the 7 step guide.com 7 is spelled out. So these 7 step guide.com, you can download the seven steps to living life.
Corn, we walk you through. You know, I'm stating the problem getting clear on the impacts writing bigger vision and goal for your life, and then how to take that goal and kind of build into a plane where you begin to walk out and live a pain-free life. Awesome, man. Well, I will make sure to link out to all those sites. Make these people to find you and the resources just keep killing them. And keep doing what you're
doing. Keep shedding light keep fighting the fight and stay Savage brother likewise, brother. God bless you and thank you. Take care.