Well, hello ladies and gents, Robert Sykes, Keto savage.com and today we've got special guest Scott Everson on the line and we dive deep into his health journey. He has undergone quite the transformation. He lost a ton of weight and an unhealthy weight due to autoimmune conditions. He found his health through the carnivore diet and several other interventions such as fasting and rewiring his brain. Very, very interesting
discussion. We talked quite a bit about entrepreneurship, family, parenting, what to find, what what to do in life, to find a will to live. Very, very insightful conversation. He's also going to be hosting at Meat Stock later this year. So we talked about that conference and retreat. Very exciting stuff. I'll be there as well. So would love to see any of y'all there that are interested. We're going to have a booth. There's going to be some amazing
speakers. I wanted to bring him on the podcast and just talk about what that's going to look like. But truly, truly enjoy the conversation. Scott's doing some amazing work. He's changing the lives of countless innovation visuals. He's got an incredibly inspiring story and I know I've got no doubt that you will take something from it so that further delay, sit back, relax, enjoy the conversation with Scott and we are live Scott. How are you, brother? Good.
How you doing man? I'm good, I'm good. We met for the first time at, I believe Hack your health this past year, 2024 now and we got started talking about a conference you got coming up. But you've got a super interesting back story too, man. So I kind of want to start with there before we even dive into the the conference events coming up. Yeah. Like are you relating to health wise you mean? I'm assuming so you had quite the information yourself.
Oh yeah, man, it's it's been a wild ride. It's almost like it feels like it's been a lifetime of health issues. I'm going on 9 years now of like the health where the health, health issues like really hit the fan for me. So there's been a lot, you know, it's not just like one thing. I really think that, you know, what started off my health issues was sort of a cascade. It was very like multi factorial.
But I can really pinpoint, you know, where things really got bad was I was taking psychotropic drugs for a pain condition I had actually. So I was taking like a SNRI drug. It worked on pain. With that pain came, you know, if you if you talk to people with pain conditions, you know, came with a lot of anxiety and
depression on top of that. So my body was just riddled with inflammation, you know, and kind of like you actually back in the day, you know, I used to own a gym in Toronto and bodybuilding used to be in my life. And when I got really sick, I had to stop and I lost about 85 lbs and I still haven't recovered most of that weight. But, but I wasn't really working out right. I, I don't think I was really
pushed my body in bad ways. And you know, I was kind of one of those guys that I've always been like a lean mass hyper responder. So I could kind of get away with eating more crap than a lot of guys could and still look pretty good. But on the inside I was just like, my joints were hurting me and my back was killing me and my whole body was inflamed as you know, I was getting like tendonitis and everything, right. So and there was course of antibiotics.
But the thing that really did me in was I was taking benzodiazepine. And when I tried getting off that stuff, it was, you know, I ended up in the hospital as having seizures and it just led to the worst nervous system dysregulation of all time. Like it's horrific.
Like, you know, a lot of people know like Jordan Peterson airspace and Jordan Peterson, like if you follow his journey trying to get off of benzos and it always really bugged me because the media would be like, oh, he was addicted to benzos. It's like, no, there's no, it has nothing to do with addiction. It's dependency. There's a huge difference, right?
And that's, that's the way it is with a lot of these drugs like it, you know, antidepressants and anti psychotics and anti anxiety medications, like your body can't survive without them because when you try getting off of them, you know, it's, it's like you could die from that. You know, it's almost like when you just like try cold Turkey alcohol, you know, but that unfortunately that's what I did. You know, I started cold Turkey these meds, I didn't really know what I was doing and I almost
died. I was like in the hospital having seizures and I was like shaking uncontrollably for weeks on end. And, and it really led to 8 years of, you know, just extreme anxiety and depression and feeling like somebody was holding a gun in my head for years on end. And you know, it's kind of bed bound and wasting away. I got down to 110 lbs. My gut didn't didn't work anymore. Like I couldn't eat any more food. Like pretty much I was in like boiled chicken and white rice,
you know? And when you got on those drugs, when you got on the benzodiazepine, that was before or after you had lost the £85. No, that was, that was before that I got on the drugs before I lost all that weight. Gotcha. I mean, I, it's not like I was dealing with health issues before that. You know, I had like dozens of kidney stones and you know, I, I did have like a little bit of sore gut issues before that.
I had my pain condition that I was dealing with, which is horrific, but I didn't know what hell was like until I got off the meds. That's when all hell broke loose and I've never recovered since. I just had severe like neurological damage, nervous system damage, everything was damaged, you know, and then malnourishment was was horrendous. You know, like I said, I went from about 100 and I went from about 195 lbs to about 110 lbs. And it wasn't like you went overweight 195 lbs like you
were. No, it was good. It was, it was a good weight. Like, yeah, you know, I would flux in and out. Sometimes I'd have a little bit more weight on my face and whatever. But like, I was pretty built, you know what I mean? And people almost think like I'm lying when I say that because they see me now and I just kind of look like this, like skinny, you know, kind of geeky guy, You know, I kind of look like you're like a guy who does your taxes or something.
But I, I was always like kind of that jock kind of guy. Like I was always in the sports. I played all the high school teams. I played hockey for forever and a lot of like contact sports. I played rugby. I was really in the bodybuilding and all that. All that went to to crap, you know, when my health issues came up, so I had to find other things to do with my life. So it's a little bit more involved than that.
You know, there's a lot of other things that they came into play with my health issues, but those are kind of main things. Any idea with the catalyst for all that you know, you know starting from was that what was the initial catalyst to it all? Any idea? The thing that started everything, Yeah. You know, people, you know, I find in our space, a lot of people are kind of looking for sexy answers. I don't have one of those answers for you. I I, I'll be honest with you.
I think I was just was under too much stress. And it wasn't, you know, it was chronic stress. I just moved cities. I was buying a house. I was, you know, I changed up my jobs. I started up my gym, I was getting married, I was having a kid. I had like a bunch of deaths, you know, like, so there was like a lot of good stress and bad stress, but stress nonetheless. And I think the stress is just too much on me.
And then also the physical stress that I was putting on my body from just overworking out, you know, it's constant, you know, and I just, I couldn't handle it, especially with my diet at the time, my diet was garbage, you know, like I was really in the bodybuilding stuff. I could get away with it somewhat, but you know, I was, I was eating like Subway and, you know, I was still like Downing, you know, frigging Red Bulls all day and stuff like that.
And, you know, just wasn't a good way to live. So, so in a way, you know, I, I wouldn't take it back for anything because I think that going through all that stuff and really I really had to hit like rock bottom for me to change everything in my life, like mentally, physically, change my diet, change my lifestyle and it's brought me to where I am. So I'm very thankful that, you know, I went through all that, all that hell and I'm still climbing my way out of it.
But I think that I'm on a pretty good track right now, so. What was it like from an identity shift standpoint? Because I would imagine if you, you know, are typically viewed as the athletic guy, you know, you're 195 lbs, a lot of muscle in your frame, then you shrink down to 110. You know, you own a gym like that that does something to your psyche. I would imagine like your your identity in the health and fitness space totally changes.
Yeah, you know, it's, it's funny because so there were people I knew in the fitness world from, you know, before I got sick and like when I was at my peak, you know, I was really into bodybuilding and, you know, working out my hardest and this and that. I look great. And there are people that I saw when I was at 110 lbs.
I could give you one story. Actually, there's a, we had like sort of this reunion of people in Toronto where I was, where I was living and I had my gym and I had a friend there and he was also a trainer and I hadn't seen him in many years. I didn't see him in 6-7 years, something like that. And he, he saw me when I was in my, you know, my really healthy bodybuilding type days. And he saw me when I was at my
worst. He didn't even recognize me when he saw me. He's just like, he didn't even say hi to me. Like he just walked by me. He's like, I'm like, hey, dude. He's like, hey, he's like Scott. I'm like, yeah, like people didn't even recognize me, you know, it was just complete, complete, completely different. Like my everything changed. My whole face changed, like everything changed, you know? So it was really hard for me because it was, I was, you know, in, in a way it was a really
good thing. But I was really wrapped up in how I looked. I was very kind of, I don't know, I was kind of just really into material stuff and I really cared about, you know, I had like a lot of ego based on how I looked and stuff like that. And I was very immature at the time. You know, I care a lot about like picking up girls and that kind of thing, right? I mean, that's kind of what you're like and you're kind of, you know, 20s and, you know, early 30s and that kind of
stuff. But but when I got sick, it kind of changed my mind set on everything and I really had to do like a deep dive spiritually and love start actually like loving myself and not having that be dependent on how I looked and having my old like ego wrapped up and like how much I could lift and this and that kind of thing. I do miss those days quite a bit. But I, you know, I never like to get back back into weightlifting and stuff. Hopefully one day.
But but, you know, I think when when you're someone who's, who's like really driven, you just pivot into other things. So it wasn't like a a really hard thing, but I think it was kind of hard just maintaining relationships, you know, people in the gym space. And there was a time when I didn't even want anything to do with the gym anymore. Like I didn't want to talk to anybody who's in the fitness
world. I didn't want to, I didn't want to look at things like it's something I was always super passionate about, you know, but you know, something like if I was watching TV and like Pumping Iron came on or something, I would turn it off, you know, I was like, I can't watch this, you know, because it's too painful to, to to sort of be reminded of that and not be being able to, to do that anymore. But, you know, eventually I got over it. So I'm OK with it now.
But yeah. Was there like a particular moment where you hit, you know, rock bottom per SE, or was it just kind of like this compounding, you know, residual lingering effect? Yeah, I got I guess like there was a time when I guess, you know, I think when I was like kind of really bad bound. I was really literally like chronic fatigue syndrome and stuff. And it was, it was like a real chore just to get out of bed in
the morning. And, and I think that's when you really find out who your real friends are. And I really didn't have too many friends left and I was kind of alone and, you know, my things weren't working out so well with my wife anymore and stuff like that. So I think just kind of lying in bed and staring up at the ceiling and feel like you don't have any purpose in life. You don't have anyone. And that was that was rock bottom. Yeah, that was that was bad.
Especially when you're having like a pity party and stuff. And I think eventually when you hit rock bottom, though, it's like the best thing in the world because, you know, you have two directions you could take. You either just lie down and die or you fight like hell to get get out of that, right? And you have to learn things and you have to learn about yourself and you have to really develop grit.
You know, I think you really, I mean, some people are born with it, like guys like you, like Sean Baker, you know, he's just, he's one of those guys just born with grit, you know, But for someone like me, you just have to really get knocked on your ass to, to, to develop that grit, you know, and, and dealing with pain and suffering and, and coming out of that and, you know, rising from the ashes kind of deal, you know, so, so yeah,
it was, it was a long journey to get to that point of, you know, being strong enough to like do the research and, and learn about all these like healing modalities and diet and lifestyle and everything I'm into. And it, it took a lot of work, you know, a lot of work and a lot of time and perseverance. But, but you know, it, gradually it started getting better. I never thought the day would come, but like being able to go to accurate health.
I mean, that's kind of was even like the beginning of this year. I was, I was, I was at a point where I was suffering pretty badly that, you know, like like last January, this time last year, like it would have been hard for me to imagine going to something like accurate health, but something kind of shifted, you know, probably around March or April last year. And then I started going to all these events. And so it's really cool to be able to do stuff like that.
And, and, you know, when you are able to start doing stuff again, it's like your appreciation for life and what you have is just like unreal, you know, totally. Just to go to some event like Hacker Health to me was like, it was just the coolest thing in the world. So yeah. So what was the the time of like when when you hit rock bottom was that? What year was that? Man, I would probably say like 2019 to like 2021.
So that's when you had lost all that weight and yeah, you were kind of getting back into the groove because I saw you at Hacker Health. That would have been in 2024. I was still very light then too. I've I've put on like about 15 lbs since then. I mean I'm still like you know, but at Hack your health I was probably like 120 something pounds from 110. Like I gained some weight back. Now I'm closer to 140. So like it's just gradual, right? Like it's just taking time.
But, but, but yeah, no, I think, I think like, I don't know, that first year of COVID was really hard because I was kind of losing my gym business. And that's a whole other story. I don't really want to get into that. But you know, things were getting locked down and the gym business wasn't going so well anymore. And I kind of had to like get rid of that. I had to get rid of the the business and get rid of my lease
and stuff. And, and then I was kind of without a job for a while and I had just had my daughter and we moved to Florida. Yeah, it was a lot. Again, it was just a lot for me to handle being that sick. And I at that point, I just figure I was like, I'm going to die. Like there's, there's no hope left, you know, And, and yeah, actually is when I hit rock bottom that I got turned on to the carnivore diet and.
What was the objection to that? Well, the introduction to that, well, I think it was kind of twofold. So I was in, I was on vacation and somebody had told me about Jordan Peterson. Actually, it's funny because Jordan Peterson lived in my neighborhood in Toronto. He's like literally 2 streets over. And I probably saw him a lot. I just, I just didn't even know who he was, so I wouldn't have recognized him.
And somebody told me about him. I like read his book and then I started seeing him around the neighborhood and, and then I started really getting into his work and, and, and then I heard about carnivore and, and I didn't really quite convince me yet until somebody, I was like on a Facebook chat group and somebody it's, you know, render whole story about, about how they had autoimmune conditions and they had, you know, they were in pain and their gut didn't work and blah, blah,
blah. And they went on the carnivore diet and within like two months they were like 80% better or something, you know, So I was like, well, shit, you know, I've been on a vegan diet. I've tried like everything. I went on like an old juice diet for like 10 days. And I was like, you know, carnivore diet should come pretty easy to me, you know, So I tried it and like almost immediately something's changed. Like it was immediate, like the pain got better almost like within two or three days.
And I've come to since learn that was oxalates and silicylates. Those two anti nutrients really did a number on my pain, you know, so specially the oxalates and, and I know that for a fact, you know, some people kind of guess on this stuff. But you know, if I ever tried reintroducing those two and two anti nutrients, the pain would
just come right back. And then when I stopped them, literally within 2-3 days the pain's gone pretty much is gone completely, which is unreal to me because I was dealing with this pain for like a decade. It was horrific. Did you ever notice anything like oxalate shedding? Like some people when they get off and they'll see it like start coming through their pores. Not through my pores, but you know, other symptoms would start amping up again. Sometimes my pain would come
back a little bit. So, you know, I would, I would reintroducing oxalates to prevent dumping. I don't want to bore people to death because people don't you know, I think if you want to listen to Sally Norton interviews, you could listen to those.
But. But yeah, I'd have to be very careful because you know, if I some people be like, oh, trying some dark chocolate, but if you eat dark chocolate, like if I would sort of introduce too much oxalates back into my pain condition would come back and I'd start peeing like the racehorse again. But yeah, I couldn't tolerate any anti nutrients. Like plants were just a no go for me. I didn't realize that till I
went on the carnivore diet. But then there were like other things that I still had issues with. The gut issues were, the gut issues were always lingering, the acid reflux, the pain, even with carnivore. I think it's because, you know, I just wasn't used to eating meat. My body wasn't used to the fat and all that stuff. So then I had to employ like fast fasting and really working on my stress as well.
So that's when brain retraining coming in started coming in and then I sort of had to you know, some people it's like they could just do one thing, they just do carnivore and like everything gets better. For me it was like very multi factorial. I had to introduce like 7 things before my health started to really come back online, you know so. Notice like when you went to the doctor, like did you get like a formal diagnosis? Were they recommending anything apart from the pharma
interventions? Like what was? What was the the dialogue you were getting from them? Well, now that I mean, the doctors are clueless, man. I mean, they, it was, you know, I, I would do like certain tests and certain things would come up like I was always kind of anemic, you know, I mean, like I said, I was littered with kidney stones. I had, I had like severe chronic gastritis. So I mean, there's like things I was diagnosed with, but nothing like nothing like dye or
anything really. I mean, I, I guess like the worst thing is I had some kidney damage. There was a point where I was kind of like in mild chronic kidney disease. That was probably one of the scariest things for me, 'cause you know, they say there's like no cure to that, but my kidney function is never it's, it hasn't gone down since like now it's kind of just like on the, on the high end of being low, like it's not optimal, but it's,
it hasn't degraded since. And now it's been like, I don't know, maybe six years since I was diagnosed with that. So I think that when I start cutting out the sugars and all the bullshit they could, the, the kidney stuff started getting a lot better. And I'm, I'm assuming probably having hundreds of kidney stones didn't help as well. So I'm assuming maybe that's probably what set off the kidney disease. But but no I haven't had a kidney stone since I cut out the oxalates.
I haven't that what I mean by that is I even had a new kidney stones form. I've passed tons but but no new kidney stones so. Nice. When you when you were telling your dog, like when you went back to follow appointments and they're seeing, you know, profound improvement and you're talking to them about these interventions that you're doing on your, are they like just scratching their head or what are they saying?
No, dude, it's it, there was like no response, you know, like that, That's the thing that and, and and it's like, you know, it's, it's kind of wild in a way with me. But then you hear cases of people who have like cancer, you know, they've done like metabolic therapy, literally sent their cancer into remission. I don't, I don't want to say the C word like cure, but have sent their cancer into remission through metabolic therapy. And their doctors like aren't even asking questions.
Like if I was a doctor, I'd be like, what the heck did you do? Right? Like, what did you do? Tell me more about this metabolic therapy, right? And the doctor will kind of just tell these people it's like, oh, you're, you're very lucky or something like that. And it was kind of the same response from my doctors. You know, I tell them like now I'm on a high fat carnivore diet. You know, I haven't had fruits and vegetables or anything green in, like, years, You know what I
mean? Like, and they just like, it's almost like they're just dumbfounded. Like, they like, they don't even want to know about it. They're just like, oh, OK. And they'll be like, yeah. But I think long term, that's a really bad idea, Scott. Like, maybe it's helping with your symptoms, but like 10 years from now, like, you're going to drop out of a heart attack. Like your cholesterol is through the roof and you know. Yeah, see, I've never understood or resonate with that argument.
It's like if I feel light years better doing what I'm doing now, it makes no logical sense to me that that would result in a downtrend in 10 years. Like if if it's making this meaningful difference now that that's going to compound more so than the negative. Yeah, I would always sort of question the back. I would say, OK, well, your your belief is that high cholesterol means that I'm sick, you know,
my heart health is bad. So I'd be like, OK, well, how about we do a battery of tests then and we'll repeat them every every few years and we'll see how my high cholesterol affects me, right? So let's go in for a calcium artery scan every three years. See what comes with that, right. Always comes back 00, you know, and let's, let's do other heart tests. They all come back perfect, you know, and my anemia is better. My I don't have anemia anymore.
Oh, that's weird because I had anemia for what, a decade before I went carnivore. Isn't that weird? You know, like, it's, it's when you start questioning them on things and they're kind of like, oh, like they don't really have answers for it. It's like, OK, well, I've, I've been on a mostly carnivore diet now for four years, and I've probably eaten more fatty red meat than someone could eat in 10 lifetimes, seeing as how that's what I eat every single day. Like, you know, when's this
heart disease going to creep up? Yeah, exactly. Right, So my doctor, my doctor's like starting to kind of come on board a little bit. Like I've sent them information from like Doctor Vedia and other doctors. And I think and like, you know, I've told him about Ken Berry and I think he's starting to come around a little bit, you know, but I'm, I don't really go to the doctor. I'm more use them for like tests and stuff if I need them done.
But, you know, as far as doctors giving me advice, I'm like, no. Totally no. You mentioned you doing like 7 different interventions before you started seeing results. So carnivore obviously been 1. You mentioned kind of like the fasting what? What else did you throw into the mix? Yeah, fasting has helped a lot. Just bring down the inflammation, brain retraining. I started a commute. It's called Wired for Healing. I'm not trying to plug it, but it is something that helped me a
lot. And that's really learning about, you know, using your brain to heal your body. You know, I think everyone's sort of looking at, you know, what can they do gut wise to, to improve their health. But a lot of people overlook stress. I think chronic stress in this modern, modern age that we live in is one of the root causes, one of the biggest, if not the biggest root cause of, of chronic disease.
So really, you know, employing sort of nervous system regulation techniques, getting out of that constant fight or flight mode, you know, and a lot of times it might not even be chronic stress from like, you know, your usual suspects like work or whatever, or marriage or whatever it might be. It could be just trauma, right? Maybe a trauma when you were a kid. Like let's work through that.
Let's work on regulating your nervous system, you know, so that could be a lot of like different types of brain retraining techniques. Just having gratitude in your life, you know, deep, deep breathing, meditation, visualizations. I mean, I started doing all that stuff and it helped me tremendously because my nervous system was always an OverDrive, you know, especially when I was like really down and down and out. What else work out. My circadian health was a, was a
big factor for me as well. That's kind of like one of those gradual things. But I really think that, you know, if you're sleeping properly and you're, you're, you know, you're, you're more balanced with your hormones. I mean, obviously that's going to bring down a lot of inflammation as well. So, you know, I started going to bed a lot earlier. I wasn't staying up till like
2:00 in the morning anymore. I wasn't watching TV at midnight and you know, I was waking up, I was getting out, getting some sun and trying to like sort of habit stack at the same time.
So I kind of like, you know, sit in the sun and, and maybe do a meditation and then go for a walk after and you know, maybe have like a healthy carnivore breakfast after that, you know, And I found that like when I start like learning about all these tools, like I started trying to my make my days like as productive as possible, as like an investment in my health. That's how I saw every day. You know, it's like, OK, how can I invest in my health today for the future?
Like I might not feel any different doing it that day, but you know, I'm looking at myself a year from now. What what would I tell somebody else to do? Right? So there's that. I think like community is a, is a big one that's overlooked. You know, I think, you know, it's, it's one of those things like if you have community, it's not just like hanging out with friends, you know, talking about the weather, talking about sports, I mean, all that's great too.
I, I just love people in general, But when you're actually hanging with like like minded people, it's, it's, it's such a game changer, man. You know, like, I just, I love
people in this world. And I, I think like carnivore is kind of like a gateway drug into like all sorts of other, you know, things that people are interested in, whether it be like politics or, you know, just just common interests, you know, so. I feel like, so when you have a community, when you have excitement about something in life, one risk of ailment is significantly subsided. I mean, like, I never get sick. Like literally I've been sick
twice in my entire life. And I think so much of that, yes, everything I'm doing from a lifestyle standpoint, from my training, nutrition most definitely helps tangibly. But I think honestly the main factor for me is that I just have a good headspace and I just feel excited about life and that I'll never get sick. And in doing so, I never get sick. Yeah, man, that's and that's
another thing. It's like, you know, it's, it's funny like when you have like a coach like that and people are coaching you on how to get better. It's like I never had any coaches that told me. It's like, hey, Scott, like maybe you should like, you know, get out and have more community or maybe you should, you know, work on your stress more. It's always like just, they're always looking for like quick fixes, you know, here's some pills you could take and, you know, start working out more
diet or whatever. But it was never like, you know, just kind of just common sense stuff, you know, community and, and, you know, just having fun really and, and, and having purpose in your life. You know, it's like, I was talking to Doctor kilts the other day and I'll tell you, doctor Kilts has the best steaks. So we were in steak and, and he said he goes, you know, I'm never going to retire. He's like, I don't care as long as I still have a brain foot that's functioning.
Like I'm going to be working. Even if I'm like 100 years old, I'll never be that guy sitting on a beach. And like, I'm not judging. If, if that's what you want, that's, you know, that's fine. Teach their own, whatever. But I can't be that guy, man. I, I don't know if it's like just my, my, you know, attention deficit disorder or whatever. Like I'm just, I'm always someone who has to have
something going. Like I told you before, like when I hit rock bottom, it's when I had nothing going on. I have nothing to wake up to and be excited about. And the cool thing about this community is like, you could see where we're going, man. We're making so much progress in our message. You know, like now we've entered in the political sphere where we have a guy who's like, going to be potentially the head of Health and Human services who's learned stuff from our community.
Like he's in talks with guys in the carnivore space now. He's promoting tallow that came from our work. You know what I mean? It's this, this is entering into a whole new realm now. And I think it's just going to get bigger and bigger and bigger. I see all sorts of celebrities like Chafee was telling me that like Jason Statham had him over at his house and, you know, and Joe Rogan is like, you know, contacting carnivores a lot more
often. And, and now he's putting them in touch with it. They're friends to learn about Carnivore and it's starting to enter into the mainstream now, you know, and that I really tribute to guys like you and, and Sean Baker and people who have been coaches and, and really like inspire people, you know, So it's, it's a very exciting space and it's a very exciting movement to to be part of. Yeah, I agree.
I feel like for that, from like a societal standpoint, we are at this like this very, very apparent turning point, tipping point, whatever you want to call it, where there's going to be like an implosion if we continue to follow down the trajectory that we have up to this point. So there has to be some change.
And I feel like when you return to what has worked for us as a species prior to the industrial revolution and everything that's happened since, it just makes sense that it would, you know, kind of point to a ketogenic carnivore way of living where people plug more into a local community, people sit around a campfire and eat meat. Like as simple as that sounds, that's not a broken system. That is a thriving system. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Like I'd love to get your take
on that actually. Like, you know, so I'm, I'm someone like, you know, there's, there's a lot of people in carnivore space are starting to feed their kids carnivore. And this is maybe for a whole other discussion, but you know, I, I don't do that with my kids. I respect people's decisions to do that. But you know, I'm, I don't know, I'm, I, I haven't given up on this idea that it like even as like a carnivore and I'm, I'm strict carnivore.
I haven't given up on this idea that you could still be healthy and have like different types of diets, you know, and maybe I'm wrong on that. I don't know. What's what's your take on that? Do you know who Doctor Bill Schindler is? Yeah. Yeah, great guy. Amazing friend of mine, actually having him out for one of our retreats in February. But he does, you know, ancestral cooking, you know, using flour and grains and stuff still, but all how it used to be done.
And I think if you do it that way, you can certainly incorporate more of a mixed diet without I'll effect. But like for me, you know, I haven't done that. Like I'm ketogenic, like I'm I'm pretty much eating all animal based foods. Like I can probably count the number of time I've had vegetables in the past five months on less than 5 fingers. You know, it's I don't eat that much vegetation, but I'll have some. Plus we'll have like the keto brook.
So I don't, you know, claim to be a strict carnivore, but 99% of what I eat is pretty much carnivore. But like I look at, you know, my life. I've been ketogenic now for 10 years without deviation. My wife has been ketogenic for the past, you know, eight or nine years. And she has gone, you know, she was keto all throughout her pregnancy. And then our son, who's now 2 1/2, he's been ketogenic, you
know, since birth. She breastfed him for the first, you know, several year and a half, I guess. And he's in, like, the upper growth metrics across all the charts. And he's, you know, growing and thriving. And he's been following a strict ketogenic diet as well. So I certainly don't think you have to have those foods, but if you do incorporate them, I think in doing so via the modality that you know, Bill, Bill Schindler does, for instance, would be the way to do it.
Yeah, man, you know, it's funny you should say that. Like I wonder we we should do like some kind of study on on like kids of like carnivore parents, you know. Well, my ex-wife is a doctor. She's not carnivore. She's on a horrific diet. But I think I've kind of turned her on a little bit to feeding the kids healthier when she has them. But when my kids are with me, it's all like grass fed meat mostly. And, and you know, they eat some fruit and stuff like that too.
And on special occasions, like I'm not, you know, I'm not trying not to be crazy about it, but like, you know, if it's their birthday or something or like Halloween, I let them splurge on some candy and stuff. But, but, but, yeah, but my kids are both in the like 90th percentile for, I guess their physical attributes, you know, for height and weight. And they're scoring very high on like, you know, on, on their, you know, I guess for mental acuity type tests.
And so, you know, I, I, I, I sort of like hear this across the board. And I don't know if there's something to, I mean, it makes sense, right? If you're on a, if you're on a really nutritious diet that maybe your kids are going to be a bit smarter and more physically, you know. I mean, if you think about it like breast milk is relatively ketotic in nature. I mean, yes, there's some lactose in there, but it's, it's
pretty high fat. I mean, so you're, you're in all sense and purposes, you're, you're basically ketogenic at birth. And then, you know, often times in our society, people, you know, gravitate towards like a formula fed, you know, bottle feeding or they'll start introducing like the pureed fruits and vegetables. But like, if you go down a baby aisle and you look at all the ingredients in those things, like they're far, far from ideal nutritional profiles. Pure sugar, yeah.
Pure sugar and there's not that many calories, there's hardly any quality fats or proteins in there. So if they're consuming that predominantly, they're not going to be getting ample dietary fat and protein. Whereas I look at my kid and like last night he ate, you know, he had a little bit of Brussels sprouts that were cooked in butter, but he had probably, you know, probably about 8 or 10 ounces of ground beef for his evening meal.
But prior to that, you know, he had had eggs and bacon, you know, some whole fat yogurt that day. Like, he's probably eating well over 1500 calories at 2 1/2 years old, probably 35 lbs. He's eating more protein than a lot of, you know, full grown adults do these days. And I've got no doubt that his brain development at this stage in his life is thriving as a result of that nutrition. Yeah, he, he's going to be a monster when he's older.
Yeah. I'm really like curious to see how, how these like carnivore or like not carnivore but like animal based kids are going to like what they're going to look like when they're like 20, you know? Yeah, 100%. And a lot of people think that you have to have, you know, carbohydrates from a growth standpoint, especially in those, you know, adolescent years. But in just anecdotally seeking or seeing him develop, like, I don't think that's the case at all, man.
I mean, if you've got ample calories, ample fat and protein, then then you're going to grow, you're going to thrive. Like I don't feel like not having carbohydrates is hindered him whatsoever. Yeah, well, I was. I went to none of it and I went kind of more on the outskirts, like in sort of the more tribal kind of ancestral areas of none of it where they were basically just like living in shacks in the middle of nowhere, right? And they basically lived off of
hunting and fishing. And I mean, that was pretty common. I mean, they weren't eating like they, they couldn't like there's no, there's no grocery stores or anything like that. So they weren't like, you know, there's really no plant foods. You know, sometimes they would store grains that they would get from the summer and or they, they would go out somewhere and you know, someone, someone would travel into the city to get some grains or something like that
for the winter. But it was like, I, I like I wasn't living with them. Just from what I saw, it was probably like 90 something percent just meat, you know, or fish or whatever it was. And so as far as I could tell, the kids were, and they were, the kids weren't like skinny kids. They were actually kind of chunky kids, you know? Yeah, but like a healthy, healthy fat, I mean you contrast.
But like, healthy fat, Yeah. You know, I'll say this and, you know, maybe I'm getting really in the weeds here and I hope I'm not turning people off. But, you know, this whole like, azempic thing really drives me nuts. You know, I and and and it really kind of pissed me off. You know, I want to get too political, but it really pissed me off when I heard Elon Musk talking about how every, you know, Azempic is the greatest thing and he was taking Azempic
and blah, blah, blah. And there's a bit of infighting with him in RFK. You know, I think Ozempic is a, is a horrific thing, horrific thing. I think it's a terrible thing because people say or, or people are saying, well, Ozempic helps you lose weight. So that's going to help, you know, because you know, when you, when you're fat, it's associated with inflammation and heart disease and type 2 diabetes and stuff like that. I'm like, it has nothing to do with the fat.
It has nothing to do with you being overweight. That's just, that's just a, a sort of a, something that that was derived from living unhealthily. You taking a pill does not get to the root of the problem. It's not going to get rid of your type 2 diabetes. It's not going to get rid of your inflammation. It's not going to get rid of your heart disease.
In fact, you'll probably make it worse because they'll probably encourage people to eat worse because they'll be like, oh look, now I could eat pop darts all day and take this drug and I'll, I'll still lose weight. I'll still look great. You know what I mean? Yeah, well, so. It has nothing to do with how big you are. Like it's ridiculous. Like it's what got you to be big. It's like I'm not talking about
people who are 500 lbs here. Obviously that's not good, but I'm talking about people who are, you know, maybe your a woman who's 5 foot 8 and you weigh 160 lbs. Maybe you're a little bit overweight, right? You're kind of chunky or whatever it might be. But that's not unhealthy. What's unhealthy is maybe some of the things you're doing that made you gain that weight, right? So that discussion drives me nuts. I'm just like, no, no, no,
Olympic is terrible. I don't care if you lose weight that makes it, the fact that you're losing weight on is epic probably means you're going to be even unhealthier because it's just going to reinforce more unhealthy practices, you know? Yeah, you got always got to look at things from like a like a habit forming standpoint, like what is the root underlying
cause. And I feel like when you look at it from a strictly physiological standpoint, if the the efficacy of Ozympic is in that it causes people to eat less food, but it doesn't change the types of foods they are eating, they're inevitably going to lose a lot of lean tissue in the process.
And then when they cycle off of that drug, then the weight they regain is going to be leaving them with a, you know, less in a, in a worse opposition because they're going to have less muscular tissue than what they started with, which is going to have a negative implication on their overall metabolic rate. So it's it's not solving the underlying problem by any means.
I think it's just, I think it's so stupid and I think that drug should be banned and, you know, maybe in some severe cases, people who have severe like binge eating disorders and stuff like that, maybe, you know, but the, the fact that it's becoming so popular even in the carnivore community, a lot of women now are starting to take Ozempic. And I'm just like, why? You know why? You know it's. It's, I mean, I mean you get a bodybuilding background, man.
It's like people like when, when people know the amount of time and effort involved in, you know, attaining the physique that they want, like that requires a lot. And when you when you look at it very shortsightedly, like, OK, this is what I want and I want to get it as fast as possible, then people turn to those quick fixes. That's why you truly have to fall in love with the journey involved. Like nobody that wants to build a, you know, stage worthy physique plans to do so in a
short period of time. And if they do, they're significantly more likely to turn to performance enhancing drugs and things of that nature. But like, if you take this long game approach, you're in it for the long haul. And then you build the right habits and routines that carry your health, you know, further on. But like, people don't think like that. The masses don't think like. That's why you don't see the masses competing on a bodybuilding stage.
The masses are, you know, chronically overweight and unhealthy. And they're going to turn to the same things that led to that guilty pleasure that brought them to that place to begin with. So it's kind of like this negative feedback loop that people are just stuck in and will continue to stay stuck in until they change their mindset. Oh, IA 100% agree.
And you know, this is, you know, I, I, I got to say, Robert, I should have warned you before you interview me that I, I do have severe ADHD and I always have, it's gotten better with carnivore, but I'm always veering into these different directions and I'm always like, you know, the, the, the wheels are always turning in my head. I have a question for you because you, you're obviously very successful guy. You're a successful coach. You've been successful in your
bodybuilding. You've been successful as a, as a businessman and entrepreneur. Do you feel like, do you feel satisfied in your life or are you always kind of looking? I, I don't know how you, how you put this. Maybe satisfaction isn't the correct word for it, but do you always feel kind of pressure on on yourself to grow and to like, you know, keep excelling and doing other things and, you know, I don't know, just being successful in your life.
Do do you feel like you've kind of reached, you know, as someone as successful as you are? This is why I'm asking this. Do you feel like you've hit that success that you've always wanted, or do you still feel like you have a long way to go? I have a long way to go. I I like to think of this in terms of I would like to think that I am content but never
satisfied. Like I always want to get bigger, better, grow and improve, but especially now that I have a kid and another on the way, I don't want my constant yearning for progress to come at the cost of not being present with my my kids. So that's kind of created this desire to just be more, you know, content and happy and not necessarily find that what I have is enough because I don't really want to feel satisfied with what I have.
I want to be content with where I'm at and be proud of where I'm at, but always be growing and striving for more, but in a very healthy way that allows me to appreciate where I'm at and how far I've come. And that's very hard for me to do because I don't take time to celebrate the wins when I achieve them because I'm always on to the next thing. Like I'm always starting business or reaching out or
growing or trying to better. But I don't want that to come at the cost of, you know, sacrificing the moment, the precious moment that we have in the here and now. Especially with my son, who could care less about, you know, any financial number or bodybuilding achievement. Like none of that stuff matters to him. He just wants to play with his slime on the kitchen table, you know? So like, I want to be able to. Do that I have a slime? Yes, the slime.
I, I hate it when I give my kids that stuff. I'm always like, what the hell is in that stuff? I don't know. Well, they they make healthy ones now too. Which is. Good. Oh, they make healthy slime. OK, that's good. Unsinked, untainted slime. So, yeah, just stuff like that, like I, I try to use like having kids for me has been a good, I don't know, I guess litmus test, so to speak, to just ensure and bring me to the present moment.
But now when he's not in the room, when I, when I'm in go mode, when I'm in entrepreneurial work mode, like I'm, I'm hungry, man. Like I'm hungry.
Yeah, yeah, that's, that's why I'm asking, you know, because I, you know, and I, I feel like I, I'm trying to be in the same boat where I'm trying to reach like some level of contentment now where things that I've like achieved, you know, and back in the day it was like bodybuilding and, you know, trying to be an entrepreneur when I have my gym and, and doing like the little
projects I'm doing now. But I don't know, like I also have a really hard time because I, I don't know if it's like something to prove or I always feel like I'm putting a lot of pressure on myself. You know, I'm never sort of content with where I'm at. And I'm always kind of thinking I was like, maybe maybe that's just the way it is with someone who's very driven like yourself. And I, I think myself to some degree, I think it's varying degrees of that.
But, you know, will you ever find that contentment, you know, or is there always going to be that pressure of like, Oh my God, no, you can't, you can't be happy. Always keep going, keep going. It's never enough, you know? Yeah. Well, I think, you know, it's on how you perceive it as well. Like I like the idea of building a life that I don't have to escape from, but if I'm doing that, then why would I feel the need to retire and sit on the beach and drink Mai Tais all day?
Like that doesn't appeal to me. Like I want to work and die working. Like I want to die with my boots on, but I want to do it doing things that I love doing and bring me a sense of fulfilment but also, you know, help the community at large. Like if I'm adding more value that I'm taking, I'll be happy doing that until the day I die.
Yeah, I think, I think doing stuff with the community and like when you're working on trying to make people's lives better and, you know, I think that's really in the end, I think, you know, I don't want to get too philosophical, but I I really think that in the end, you know, for me, what I care about is leaving this earth having made it a little bit of a better place. Otherwise, what's the point of
living? Like, how would you feel if you said, oh, well, Scott lived in this world and he it was worse off for him having been in it. Well, would it have been worth being in the world to begin with is what I would say, Right. So I think leaving the world a little bit of a better off
place. And then you came into it with and, and also just, you know, having good moments, you know, just trying to create good moments for other people and you having good moments, you know, or meaningful moments, I should say, you know, So those are the two things I, I really try to, I really try to focus on and I really feel like just working with the community. It's like I don't really have that angst like I used to in terms of like not having purpose
in my life. I think that's when people really hit rock bottom, when they feel like there's no purpose or they're not living up to their potential in any kind of way. Yeah. And I feel like when you're in this space, like this is a really great community and there's there's bad apples as
there is in every community. But like, I get emails every day, as I'm sure you do as well of how, you know, somebody's life was impacted for the positive and something I've said or done on a podcast or something, you know, touched them and they were inspired to do XY or Z and they've lost a bunch of weight or improved their health markers or done a competition and just found the light in their life again. And then they'll relay that message to me via an e-mail or a
post. And like that to me is the greatest, you know, reward I can ever hope to achieve. Like knowing that somebody that I didn't even know, you know, picked up on some content that I put out and improved their life as a result of them and then felt compelled to thank me for that. Like like that to me fills my cup more than anything. Yeah, You know what, at our last meat stock, you know, like there were people there, you know, like, like Kelly Hogan and Sean Baker and killed some people
like that. And there were people that came all the way from like Ireland and Germany, you know, like across Europe, just because they wanted to attend a retreat with Sean Baker. And and like literally when they would like, there's this one woman who came from Germany and like, literally when she saw him, she'd like start crying. And I was like, wow, that's. Powerful. That's really powerful, you know. Yeah, like. You could change somebody's life like that and that has a domino effect.
I mean, not just that, that, that then that person will change other other people's lives. And it's just this huge domino effect. It's this ripple effect and it just keeps going on and on. And when you're doing that on like mass scale, like yourself and a lot of other people in the community, I mean, it's such a beautiful thing, you know? Yeah. And I never got that feeling when I worked in corporate America or worked for, you know, just any other position.
Like I always tried to do my best work and, you know, put forth an honest day's effort. But like I never got that sense of fulfilment like I do now. And when you see that first hand, like when you literally are sitting across the table from somebody and you see the life come back into their eyes, like like that, like that is the best thing. Like that is the best thing. And you know, if I can do that until the day I take my last breath, like that'll be a life
well spent. Yeah, exactly, Exactly. Yeah. It's, it's it's a beautiful thing, man. It's really nice to feel like your life has some meaning to it. I worked in IT for a long time and it was the worst thing. I, I really think that that's actually probably, when I think about it, that's probably the root of why I got sick to begin with, because I felt like I didn't have any purpose in my life. I just felt like I was just wandering around aimlessly. I could tell you just too
quickly. I just a quick example. This is how deranged my mindset was before I got sick. And this was back when I was like a bodybuilder and I looked all healthy and everything, but mentally I was weak. Mentally I was, I was, you know, I was like, I look like Captain America on the outside and I was like a like a little, you know, scare little mouse on the inside, you know, whereas kind of now it's the opposite. Like I said, now I look like a,
like a librarian on the inside. I feel like Captain America, you know well. The inside's. More important, yeah. So. So I remember walking home one day from, from my gym and it was like in the fall or something. And I lived across the street from a retirement home and I see these people walk around these, these older people and they're kind of like looking around, looking at the leaves and stuff like that. And, and I remember being so kind of deranged back then.
I just, I was thinking to myself, I was like, you know, what are they doing? You know, they're like 80 something years old. I'm like, what? They've never seen fall before. Like, come on. You know, like I like, I, I was kind of thinking like just being very negative towards them in my head, thinking like, you know, wow, what is there to live for at that point? You know, and that's what you have to look forward to.
And you know, it's, you know, I want to be dead by the time I'm like 50. I like, I just that should be like, as long as some somebody should live. Like I was thinking all these crazy thoughts, you know, and now when, when I go outside, like if I have, if I'm having like a really good day and I'm going outside and I'm just like going for a walk. And I'm like, look at the sky. I'm looking at the grass, I'm looking at the trees. And it's like the most beautiful thing in the world, you know?
And, and I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, Oh my God, there's so much to see. There's so much to do. I'm like, fuck, you know, I wish I could live to be like 150, you know, whereas before I was like, everybody should be dead by the time they're 50, You know, people are living too long. And it was just such a, it's like almost like I had like a cancer of the mind, you know? It's just such a terrible way to
live, you know? And it took like being really sick to knock me on my ass to get get my head right, you know? That's why I like competition preps, man. Like I, I don't do a prep every year because it's too taxing. But like when I'm in that, you know, upmost depleted state, my hormones are all jacked up and I'm just starving. Like you have so little energy that every single thing you do throughout a 24 hour period requires like significant mental bandwidth just to prepare yourself for it.
But when you're in that state, you you can't help but just soak in everything because you're going through everything so much slower. And when you're on that brink of death, so to speak, like you just appreciate everything as if it was your last breath to notice it. And I don't know, man, I just brings me perspective and I love it. Like I try to carry that through my building phase until I do that prep again.
But like when you have that shift in perspective and you just have gratitude, like you appreciate every little thing so much more. You appreciate, you know, the people in your life, the, the, the just everything, everything that you take for granted when you're in that state where you can't help but be forced to recognize it and appreciate it. Like you see the world through a whole different lens, man.
I feel like everybody needs that at some point or another because the world would be a much better place. Yeah, yeah. But if you, if you like develop that gratitude mindset every day. I think Benazzotti calls it vitamin G, vitamin gratitude. I think if you, if you develop that mindset every day, I mean, man, it makes life so much better.
Makes a lot easier too. If you really feel like everything is happening for a reason and not happening to you, but almost like for you, you know, like when I, when I have really bad days now, I don't think the way I used to. I'm not like, oh, this sucks. This is hell.
I hate feeling this way. I'm kind of like, OK, I, you know, this is just, I'm just going to grow more out of this, you know, and I'm going to be stronger and I'm going to develop more mental strength and more grit and more character.
And you know, it's going to drive me that much more to to be more to be more helpful for people and stuff, you know, so it's, it's very different now when I have a really bad day compared to like back in the back in the day, you know, and like when I got, I don't even know if you could say it without getting shadow banned or something. But you know, when I got the pandemic virus, that was when was that, that was like sort of late last year that really
knocked me on my butt. I was, I was really in a really bad way, you know, But if I had gone through that like 3 years ago, like I probably just would have died right there and then because I didn't have that mental strength yet, you know. But last year, it's like now I feel like I could handle anything, like a nuclear bomb could go off beside my house. And I'd be like, I'll make it through, you know, I'll find a
way, you know? Yeah, when you get a will to live because you got something to live for. Yeah, you, you got a reason to fight, man. If you got a reason to fight mentally and emotionally, psychologically that transcends the body or the brain and goes into the body, and then you've got. Exactly the superpower yeah, you as a why to live could bear almost anyhow 100% very true. Well, talk to me about meat stock real quick with the last little bit of time we got here, man. What?
When's that? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, I really get in the weeds on stuff. I know we're trying to talk about meat stock. So meat stock last year is just like kind of a retreat. I mean, we did a lot of like presentations and stuff too. But this year it's going to be a retreat and a convention. So you could just come to the retreat and convention or you could just get a weekend pass to the convention. Now we're sold out of the retreat.
We're almost sold out of the convention part. But I want this to be like a real true Americana event and I, I want to be a very like a unique type event, right? It's going to be very animal based. We're going to be right up there in the mountains in Gatlinburg, TN. I think we have like we have a lot of speakers, man. We were, it's like close to 40 and we got yourself coming. We got, you know, Doctor Baker's coming again, Doctor Ken Berry, Dr. Boz, We got Mary Reddick
who's one of my favorites. A lot of my friends like Courtney Luna and Serena and Steak and Butter Gal Kelly Hogan. So we got like a, a great list of people coming and I just want to be fun of that man. I'd I'd say one thing I don't love about conventions. I don't really like when I go to a convention and I'm like inside under like the fluorescent lighting all weekend and you know, you know, there's no like real food around.
So you're pretty much as like living off jerky and stuff like that, you know, or keto bricks, you know, no offense to you, but like, you know, I need a steak too now, right? So, so I wanted to be like a great event where, you know, we're we're sort of like outside a lot of the time. And, you know, we'll have like a nice hall there. It's kind of like at this, you know, wood stone cabin.
And we'll have like a lot of vendors in the carnivore space and vendors that like I, you know, use their products myself and, and we're going to have music. So I'm getting in like bands from across the country, like a lot of bluegrass and like folk type type bands. So it's going to make it, you know, be a lot of fun. We're going to have like a raw dairy firm come up and we're going to have like carnivore ice cream parties.
And yeah, just, you know, I really wanted to make as fun as possible for people and just have it be a really good fun for a community type event. So, so really bad to say, you know, if you want to come, you want to eat lots of meat, lots of good quality meat from from local farms and you know, get to meet guys like Robert and your favorite carnivores and favorite sort of speakers. Then you can do that and learn and just hang out with your community really.
That's it. Yeah, it's going to be awesome. And what what are the dates on that again? So for the retreat and and totals May 15th to May 19th, and then the convention is on May 17th and 18th. Nice, nice. Yeah, I'm going to bring the wife and kiddo up there, be there obviously. And Gatlinburg is a super cool town so picked an awesome place to host it. Yeah, yeah. Have you been in the Smoky Mountains?
Yeah, yeah. I've got a family that live in North Carolina, so we would drive through the Smoky Mountains to to go see them. And it's beautiful, man. Yeah, it feels like home to me, man. First time I went there, it felt more like home to me than Florida, where I've been living for four years. And my my goal is to when my kids are a little bit older, I'm hoping to move there one day. So I love it there, man. Yeah, it's, it's, it's a good place to be, man.
It's beautiful country. The mountains just speak to you like nothing else. Yeah, Yeah, I think that I think that nature Capone's very important. I think it's like nature that speaks to you. I don't know about you, but I'm, I'm a mountain person. You know, we don't have mountains here in Florida and I, you know, I spent a lot of my years growing up in Canada, like hiking and, you know, we had we're surrounded by mountains
and stuff. So I think that that nature just feels normal to me. You know, where's the nature here in Florida seems very foreign to me and I always feel like a little bit off here. So hoping to get back to my my roots a little bit by by moving to Tennessee at some point. But are you you're in where are you? I'm. In northwest Arkansas, so I'm in the Ozark Mountains. So yeah. Oh, you're in the Ozarks. Nice. Yeah. I love it. Are you? Yeah. So were you born and raised there?
No, so I was actually born in Minnesota, but I, I pretty much grew up in Central Arkansas and I've been all over like I lived in Spokane, WA, that's where I met Crystal, my wife. But I've always just really resonated with Northwest Arkansas for the mountains, for the community.
I mean, Arkansas is cool, man. Like nobody really ever talks about Arkansas, but Arkansas, especially Northwest Arkansas, is like a like a hidden jewel and it's just got so awesome for it. So I'm, I'm excited to be back here for sure. Yeah, I'd love to visit. Man, that's awesome. Yeah, well, my doors always open to you, brother. I appreciate that.
For sure man. Well, what's the best place for people to to find more out about you, follow your journey also meet stock like what's the what's the websites? Well, OK, so, so I have a few different projects coming out right now. So Wired for Healing is my brain retraining community. So you could go to Wired for Healing is my Instagram. I post a lot about meat stock on there as well. And we're going to be talking about like brain retraining stuff with meat stock.
I have my my nonprofit, I start up a nonprofit with Doctor Kiltz and Dr. Wiedemann. It's called Healthy Food for kids. It's not quite quite done yet, but we're going to be really promoting animal based nutrition for kids and really trying to educate parents on animal based nutrition. And, and then meat stock, you go to meatstock2025.com if you want to sign up. I, we are literally down to like 25 convention tickets left. I assume it's probably going to be gone in the next two or three
weeks. So if you guys are still interested in coming, I'd recommend going on there and would love to meet all of you guys. Awesome, man. Well, I will definitely link out and make it easy for people to find you. Love what you're doing in the space, Scott. You're making a difference and I just appreciate, appreciate you, man. I'm glad we connected to Hack Your Health and I'm excited to keep the conversation going, brother. Yeah, No, I, I love you, man.
You're great. I I really respect you as just sort of a coach, an entrepreneur, as a person. So I think you're doing all the right stuff. So I really appreciate you. Thank you. Well, our missions are definitely aligned, so if there's everything I can do to help you man, you just let me know. Thanks a lot man. See you, Scott.